The Jaw-Dropping Plane Transformation that Nobody Expected

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  • During the 1960s and 1990s, South Africa, still ruled by the Apartheid regime, was involved in a ruthless war against its neighbors that sought to make Namibia independent.
    As the conflict escalated, several international restrictions forbade the South African Air Force from acquiring new aircraft, leaving it with an outdated fleet of fighters that were no match for the Soviet MIG-23, its African opponents boasted.
    South Africa was left with only two options to continue the fight: create a new fighter or extensively upgrade its fleet of French Mirage IIIs. The country chose the latter, and an astonished world witnessed the transformation of a late second-generation aircraft into a fourth-generation fighter ready for the threats of its time.
    Born from outdated Mirage IIIs, the Atlas Cheetah could easily travel at supersonic speeds, was as maneuverable as the feline that bore its name, and could strike hard and fast against any air or ground target of the African Savannah.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 653

  • @MrSnicklesnickle
    @MrSnicklesnickle 3 місяці тому +106

    A once proud and feared airforce reduced to nothing. Well done ANC

    • @andilengcobo9825
      @andilengcobo9825 12 днів тому +2

      Its far more complicated than that. The final responsibility is on the ANC but their corruption and incompetence is just part of it.
      1. Old government and western powers (UK&US) intentionally defanged the defence force before hand over to ANC.
      2. Many airframes where retired after the border wars and many more were past or near expiration date e.g. Dakotas, Alouettes, kudus etc...
      3. Old gov just didn't have the money to properly recapitalize the airforce and navy.
      4. Anytime anyone in the even thinks of increasing defense budget, the liberals (DA and "NGOs") are screaming bloody murder

    • @jonathanprince2667
      @jonathanprince2667 12 днів тому

      Usa sit behind anc

    • @PhansiKhongoloza
      @PhansiKhongoloza 11 днів тому +1

      ​@@andilengcobo9825what utter rubbish! The anc upgraded almost all the top tier equipment in the 90's.
      Ok the deals were throught with corruption and backhanded, but none less they bought state of the art kit.

    • @PhansiKhongoloza
      @PhansiKhongoloza 11 днів тому

      ​@@andilengcobo9825More nonsense. The old government developed kit that was way better than anything available on the market at the time.

    • @fredmeyer3353
      @fredmeyer3353 11 днів тому

      thales.....

  • @SparkBerry
    @SparkBerry 10 місяців тому +164

    Seeing the Cheetah as a little kid at airshows is what sparked my love for aviation. I'm now an aircraft engineer, and I owe that all to this aircraft.

    • @tyronrossouw44
      @tyronrossouw44 10 місяців тому +2

      I used to watch them fly from AFB Ysterplaat's airshows! Always a crowd pleasing roar from that massive afterbuner.

    • @SparkBerry
      @SparkBerry 10 місяців тому +2

      @@tyronrossouw44 That's exactly where my passion was born.

    • @Raven3one
      @Raven3one 10 місяців тому +2

      Watching Glen Warden flying the Mirage 3CZ at the Virginia Airshows in Durban

    • @sebulba4864
      @sebulba4864 2 місяці тому +1

      I'm grateful we didn't have cellphones back then, that era inspired children (me included) to study science and engineering.

    • @df3yt
      @df3yt 14 днів тому

      @@SparkBerry You still in SA? My son wants to go into your trade but not sure if there's a opportunity in SA?

  • @deonkotzee6641
    @deonkotzee6641 8 місяців тому +25

    Today South Africa has only two fighter aircraft that remain 100% serviceable. What a disgrace.

    • @kgb2905
      @kgb2905 14 днів тому +2

      And the great wait for Gripen armed cabins are still persistent.

    • @krishorst4734
      @krishorst4734 13 днів тому +1

      its sad

  • @tokoloshi214
    @tokoloshi214 10 місяців тому +40

    Africa's best military at the time. Today, a meere shadow of its former might.

  • @thedeparted9113
    @thedeparted9113 10 місяців тому +85

    SUPER COOL!!!!when south africa was still a great country

    • @erniegouws7262
      @erniegouws7262 17 днів тому +5

      😂😂😂 now we known for apartheid, a jail bird, and corruption 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @chaz__
    @chaz__ 10 місяців тому +75

    The South Africans really are quite remarkable people. Heartbreaking to see what's happening to them now.

    • @StudSupreme
      @StudSupreme 10 місяців тому +1

      All thanks to the western leftist academic 'intellectuals' falling in line with their communist eastern bloc 'counsellors'......... Leftists are all a bunch of bedwetters.

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому

      ​@@StudSupremehappening to every western nation 👽 taking over australia too ex commie nations not so

    • @pierrelightfoot2669
      @pierrelightfoot2669 10 місяців тому +16

      Yes, it is not easy to have the world against you, ask Isreal, they are in the same boat. At least they are still fighting for their existance.

    • @DuneSurfer
      @DuneSurfer 23 дні тому

      The West sacrificed us. Our 'allies'. Now the West is finding out...

  • @pieterreynders5607
    @pieterreynders5607 10 місяців тому +28

    ....and now we can hardly put 1 Gripen into the air. So sad....😢

    • @BB-nw6cs
      @BB-nw6cs 19 днів тому +3

      So much for "freedom"

  • @chieftandriver703
    @chieftandriver703 8 місяців тому +13

    Now South Africa hasn’t even got a regular electricity supply

    • @erniegouws7262
      @erniegouws7262 17 днів тому +3

      Well known for our unique corruption capabilities 😂😂😂

  • @JustifyJustin
    @JustifyJustin 10 місяців тому +41

    Well researched and good pronunciation. A few little known facts, the Cheetah featured the first look-down-shoot-down helmet in military service. In the early 2000s a US F15 squadron came over for friendly exercises. The final score was tied between the F15 and Cheetah. The US pilots were surprised at how nimble the aircraft is and also how difficult to spot in a dogfight. This aircraft is a testament to South African ingenuity and engineering prowess.

    • @majungasaurusaaaa
      @majungasaurusaaaa 9 місяців тому +12

      And now the country struggles to even keep the lights on.

    • @JustifyJustin
      @JustifyJustin 9 місяців тому +6

      @majungasaurusaaaa Still has amazing engineers, Doctors etc.

    • @GaionSputro
      @GaionSputro 3 місяці тому

      ​@@JustifyJustin Thanks to whites.

  • @csk4j
    @csk4j 10 місяців тому +29

    Amazing innovation.. South Africa seems a shadow of its former self

    • @FrancoisMoolman
      @FrancoisMoolman 16 днів тому +1

      It is. We were the best of the best. Now we are a joke.

    • @klar7946
      @klar7946 15 днів тому

      It is..

    • @robingordon4700
      @robingordon4700 11 днів тому

      Because the whites are no longer in control.

  • @floycewhite6991
    @floycewhite6991 10 місяців тому +79

    USA, USSR, China, and everybody else armed proxies to fight over oil and diamonds in that corner of the world. "Helped Namibians" my rear end!

    • @mtrest4
      @mtrest4 10 місяців тому +8

      I don't think the USSR was interested in oil 🛢️ or diamonds 💎.
      They wanted a friendly govt at the tip of Africa where ships would pass through if the Suez Canal was under US control.

    • @todaywefly4370
      @todaywefly4370 10 місяців тому +5

      EVERYBODY’s interested in oil.

    • @angelcartagena2375
      @angelcartagena2375 10 місяців тому +5

      There is always an interest, economical, political, military or geographical.

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому

      ​​@@todaywefly4370not greenies 😂

    • @jackieeastom8758
      @jackieeastom8758 10 місяців тому +2

      Warmongers everyone!

  • @spheleleNgubane-wf4de
    @spheleleNgubane-wf4de 4 місяці тому +5

    The ANC should be ashamed along with the fools who support them.

  • @MrSimplyfantabulous
    @MrSimplyfantabulous 10 місяців тому +178

    This plane climbs 46,000 feet per second (05:05), which is exactly the kind of attention to detail that makes Dark Skies renowned for sheer carelessness.

    • @iBeast_M0de
      @iBeast_M0de 10 місяців тому +8

      What do you want when you’re pumping out videos on all these channels

    • @Harley2010SG
      @Harley2010SG 10 місяців тому +25

      It was able to achieve that. However, the pilot was flattened by the G-force and the plane would end up in outer space... 😎

    • @glennllewellyn7369
      @glennllewellyn7369 10 місяців тому +12

      SA mechanics are the best!

    • @RoboticPope
      @RoboticPope 10 місяців тому +23

      It would burn up on exit doing mach 42. A reverse meteorite 😅

    • @phillipzx3754
      @phillipzx3754 10 місяців тому +13

      I was just about to post something when I decided I should see who else heard that claim.
      FOIW....its ROC is about 46,000-56,000 ft/minute...depending on the model.

  • @erichpizer1
    @erichpizer1 8 місяців тому +14

    i was pleasantly surprised you covered this topic . South African.

  • @johanterblans8266
    @johanterblans8266 10 місяців тому +41

    Today, only 2 Gripens are still active today. Sad decline.

    • @johanschoeman869
      @johanschoeman869 18 днів тому

      The Grippen's only fly at shows and only if their is money for fuel. Oh yes and if there is a qualified pilot available. This really chips me off. Why did we buy the bloody planes if we never intended to maintain and use them.

    • @rynopot
      @rynopot 17 днів тому +3

      Make it 6, and there is a very clever reason behind it.
      The maintenance contract was for 13 aircraft for 3 or 4 years, maybe even 5, I'm not sure.
      But the people involve know how long it took to get there. So why maintain 13, for say 4 years, if you can maintain 6 or 7, for a few years beyond that 4.
      The SAAF is still awesome, just in other areas. So knowing that they can't leave the SAAF at the hands of politicians, they have to look after themselves.
      Let that sink in a bit.

    • @user-ez9en7vk2z
      @user-ez9en7vk2z 16 днів тому

      ​@@rynopotwhat a lame narcissist comment... your "not sure" but have the audacity to "let that sink in a bit" chirp.

    • @H4RedOctober
      @H4RedOctober 16 днів тому +3

      @@rynopot I hear you but , frankly only an idiot/s purchases a very expensive and strategically important piece of military hardware with a maintenance contract instead of a knowledge transfer program. We did not require the French to maintain our Mirages. I assume the initial technicians were trained by the French but there after we were left to our own devices, I assume! If anybody has more information on this, please share.

    • @rynopot
      @rynopot 15 днів тому

      @@user-ez9en7vk2z Did you wake up with your head in you arse?
      Obviously I'll waste my time to TRY and explain that to you...

  • @GeorgeDeVoogd
    @GeorgeDeVoogd 10 місяців тому +24

    And now we cannot even keep the lights on.

    • @deancameronkaiser
      @deancameronkaiser 10 місяців тому +6

      In today's time yes but back then things were different.

    • @mtrest4
      @mtrest4 10 місяців тому +1

      💡

  • @HadleeSimons
    @HadleeSimons 10 місяців тому +16

    Oh man, memories of seeing the Cheetah at Ysterplaat air shows in Cape Town as a child.

  • @aaron042671
    @aaron042671 10 місяців тому +5

    South Africa sure turned into a utopian society.

  • @johnjosephfontaine2712
    @johnjosephfontaine2712 10 місяців тому +6

    It seems SA is on the shit list again 🤔 so sad.

    • @kgb2905
      @kgb2905 14 днів тому +1

      shithole africa- TRUMP!!!!

  • @reneegudjon3204
    @reneegudjon3204 10 місяців тому +22

    Beautiful jets. Win any beauty contest 😊

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому +1

      Thats all they would win 21C they are museum artifacts

    • @reneegudjon3204
      @reneegudjon3204 10 місяців тому +5

      @@Eric-kn4yn I am sure they can do basic defense in the area in peace time at least

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому

      ​​@@reneegudjon3204no way very expensive to maintain basic defence get cheaper a/c counter insurgency or advanced trainners ok from australia

  • @mrhassell
    @mrhassell 10 місяців тому +31

    The Atlas Cheetah, developed amid the Border War of the 1980's, is based on the Israeli Kfir fighter, derived from the Mirage 5 / IAI Nesher.

  • @louwvandermerwe178
    @louwvandermerwe178 10 місяців тому +63

    Cheetah E was the upgraded Mirage 3E. Cheetah C was refurbished Kfir airframes, Cheetah D was the Mirage DZ and D2Z airframes.

    • @frednoname3714
      @frednoname3714 10 місяців тому

      Thx ! I thaught Kfir has U.S engines or is it previous israelian version plz ? Thx

    • @louwvandermerwe178
      @louwvandermerwe178 9 місяців тому +1

      You are right. IAF had the J79 and the Cheetah Atar 9K50.

    • @frednoname3714
      @frednoname3714 9 місяців тому

      @@louwvandermerwe178 and you know what 🥳 Degaulle embargo Israël.. so CIA managed to get ATAR engines from ??? And refurbish to Israël... and Israël sold kfir versions to S.A finally mirage iII everywhere originals/copies/hybrides 🥳

  • @thehark6247
    @thehark6247 10 місяців тому +19

    YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HE MEANT, PER MINUTE, GIVE IT A REST ALREADY

    • @CabbageBloke
      @CabbageBloke 10 місяців тому +3

      Shows lack of quality control over his over his own content.

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому +2

      ​​​@@CabbageBlokeits deliberate every utube this guy does has them to create a lasting image and generate viewer interaction to boost subs ok

    • @TonyA4766
      @TonyA4766 10 місяців тому +1

      Nah…it’s funny!!

    • @andrewdutoit9571
      @andrewdutoit9571 9 місяців тому

      ​@@CabbageBlokeIf it bothers you, go read Readers Digest.

  • @easyganer
    @easyganer 10 місяців тому +5

    good bye to the pride of the saaf

  • @DrivermanO
    @DrivermanO 10 місяців тому +6

    Didn't the South Africans have 16 Buccaneers?

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому +2

      I think so ground attack role maybe delivering nukes but its history now

    • @Frog13799
      @Frog13799 14 днів тому

      Yes, 24 squadron

  • @jhonsnow4116
    @jhonsnow4116 10 місяців тому +11

    .y country has entirely lost the ability to defend its self the new government is disgusting

    • @kehindebamgbopa3037
      @kehindebamgbopa3037 9 місяців тому

      Tey aren't defending against anyone! What use is all that when you have no enemies?

  • @andrewmorke
    @andrewmorke 10 місяців тому +34

    A small correction. The Cheetah was intended as an interim or stopgap upgrade while the fourth-generation Carver was under development. The Cheetah was essentially the Kfir C7 with an upgraded Atar-9K-50-12 engine instead of the J79. The R-Darter and A-Darter missiles were a massive advancement over the old Kukri, R550, and R530 missiles (comparable to the IRIS-T and AMRAAM). The 85th Squadron was an advanced flying school, not a "flying skull." Sadly, the Cheetah's service with Draken is winding down because the Air Force decided to use more advanced aircraft as adversaries.

  • @jeremyjansen1932
    @jeremyjansen1932 10 місяців тому +16

    So trots op die jet!!!!

    • @piet8803
      @piet8803 10 місяців тому +2

      Dis lekker om te sien hoeveel van ons Suid Afrikaners al die video gesien het in so kort tyd. Ons land het sy probleme, maar ons bly trots en die mense is wonderlik. Politiek in SA is en was ons probleem.

  • @andrewagner2035
    @andrewagner2035 10 місяців тому +17

    Greetings from Cape Town…

  • @armablign
    @armablign 10 місяців тому +26

    The inventors of Helmet Mounted Display Sights, ability to shoot missiles off-bore.
    Was revolutionary technology.
    With South Africa still leading edge in the technology, and still involved in the development and manufacturing in US and EU systems.

    • @zofe
      @zofe 10 місяців тому +4

      aka Elbit Systems

    • @korybeckwith834
      @korybeckwith834 10 місяців тому +3

      I might be wrong but the HMS developed in South Africa came out before Israel developed one. Its not to say they were developed in parallel.

    • @zanderlabuschagne2368
      @zanderlabuschagne2368 10 місяців тому +2

      @@korybeckwith834 It was very simple, and wasn't really used, the missiles could not turn well enough to make it useful. Maybe the R-73 would've changed that.

    • @korybeckwith834
      @korybeckwith834 10 місяців тому +2

      @@zanderlabuschagne2368 Ive read at a air show (Paris maybe) russian agent stole a HDMS from a South African display desk. Not sure if this is true though.

    • @zofe
      @zofe 10 місяців тому

      @@korybeckwith834 Before 1978?
      What year, then?

  • @d.e.b.b5788
    @d.e.b.b5788 10 місяців тому +4

    The ridiculous superlatives being used as clickbait on the net these days, makes almost every video clip suspect of being nonsense. Come on, 'Jaw dropping'? You have to be kidding me.

  • @michaelmartinez1345
    @michaelmartinez1345 9 місяців тому +5

    An interesting episode, that shows the determination of countries that will carefully use their existing resources to create a status of maintaining their sovereignty and separate themselves from undesirable regimes of their surrounding nations.
    The remarkable upgrades to these aircraft, helped them, to maintain this separate sovern status...
    An Excellent video and explanation of the upgrades and results made to create these Cheetah aircraft....

  • @moydodir79
    @moydodir79 10 місяців тому +26

    Rate of climb of 46000 feet per second?!?!?!?!? That's pretty darn fast - like, very fast - mach 45, or twice the orbital speed :) Maybe per minute? Please fix :)

  • @desertgerbil7589
    @desertgerbil7589 10 місяців тому +5

    Mirage 3 never really lacked speed, as it was designed to intercept soviet bombers and reach Mach 2

  • @MrMarcosema
    @MrMarcosema 10 місяців тому +7

    Ecuador ended up with the last Cheetah C, since the ecuadorian air force was replacing it's old Kfir jets, it seemed normal but unfortunately the current South African government that has issues with IAI and the total collapse of Denel has forced the fleet to be grounded, this is the problem with small suppliers that can't warrantee they can keep their products flying

  • @cameraman655
    @cameraman655 10 місяців тому +6

    Good on the SADF!

  • @anastassiosmaragos7380
    @anastassiosmaragos7380 10 місяців тому +3

    sorry i have to comment. the mirage f1 and mirage 3 could infact take on the mig 23 many times over the issue saaf had was the technical parts needed for maintenance and airworthiness. So here in fact enters Israel which passed on tech info to saaf from the kfir and then the saaf improved upon those specifications.

    • @tonynz9954
      @tonynz9954 Місяць тому +2

      The problem the Mirage F1's had was not enough fuel to hang around for a long dogfight. The M,ig 23's did not have far to travel compared to the SAAF jetfighters. The Argies had the same problem with fuel capacity verses distance to travel.

  • @ShawnKitchen
    @ShawnKitchen 10 місяців тому +44

    A climb rate of 46,000 feet per SECOND?? That's over 31,000 miles per hour, or Mach 40+!
    That's damned good performance!

    • @drizler
      @drizler 10 місяців тому +2

      It looks like Joe Isuzu has struck again🤭

    • @davekisor1486
      @davekisor1486 10 місяців тому +3

      Pretty good for an aircraft that became obsolete at the beginning of the 20th century. Or at least that's what the man said.

    • @flexairz
      @flexairz 10 місяців тому +2

      Obviously an error

    • @wezob4569
      @wezob4569 10 місяців тому +3

      This is exactly what i came to the comments for 😂😂😂. I was like what???!!!

    • @mornevanderwatt7965
      @mornevanderwatt7965 10 місяців тому +3

      Yeah, we had UFO's before the USA 😆

  • @GunniesLetsFlyVFR
    @GunniesLetsFlyVFR 10 місяців тому +21

    The Mirage III was never slow. It's original ATAR pushed it to Mach 2. Dogfighting, well, I've personally seen both F16 & F15s in gun footage when I worked on them as an Armament Fitter. Flew supersonic in the D model. They were the premier fighter of the time. :) Great vid :)

  • @zsifk3212
    @zsifk3212 15 днів тому +3

    Very proud to have been part of that. 2 Sqr often brought their Cheetah's to AFB LBW, where I was stationed. That included the Cheetah C as well. Brilliant professionals.

  • @gekolizzard
    @gekolizzard 10 місяців тому +4

    Contrast the SADF then with the SANDF of today..no contest. Nowadays the muppet’s run out of ammo.

  • @fherot8200
    @fherot8200 10 місяців тому +7

    I remember seeing posters promoting the Cheetah from my boy scouts hall before getting to see one at an Airshow. I was so proud to have an indigenous fighter since I’ve always been obsessed with aviation.

  • @proveritate9312
    @proveritate9312 10 місяців тому +17

    The Cheetah had a Kfir engine. The testing was done at Langebaanweg Air Base in the early 80's . Proudly South African ingenuity ! Now, the SANDF is on crunches !

    • @yoamal1187
      @yoamal1187 10 місяців тому +7

      The kfir had a j79 engine, the Americans wouldn't sell it to the south africans

    • @proveritate9312
      @proveritate9312 10 місяців тому +1

      ​​​@@yoamal1187 The whole mod was done with help from Israel. There were Israelis at LBW. The story about the engine then was a secret or something. I was stationed at LBW and was told it's a Kfir engine. I didn't work on that project.
      Ps. At that stage SA would receive spares from another buyer, and not direct. It's possible that the Israelis supply the Kfir engine, and the USA turned a blind eye. Remember, it was still the times of the cold war.
      The SANDF had Super Frelons, Puma and Alouette helicopters. And we got spares through other channels !

    • @martinstrumpfer1620
      @martinstrumpfer1620 10 місяців тому +5

      The Cheetah C was fitted with an upgraded French Atar engine. Later the Ds were also fitted with it. The E never had it. None of them had the J79 fitted as the Kfir. There was testing with a Russian engine in the early 90s at Overberg.

    • @marcg1686
      @marcg1686 10 місяців тому +3

      The Cheetah was powered by Atar 9C or 9K50 engines. The Kfir was powered by the J-79 series engine.

    • @andrewmorke
      @andrewmorke 10 місяців тому

      @@yoamal1187 It wasn't the best engine in any case. The J79 was notoriously smoky and a gas guzzler. The RAF chose the RR Spey over the J79 for its Phantoms.

  • @Intothelight1981
    @Intothelight1981 10 місяців тому +49

    I don't know where you got your info from, but we never began to lose the fight anywhere! We took names and kicked ass right up to the end of the war. Also, we developed leading edge, world class arms, armoured vehicles and helicopters. You may want to do a video on the Rooivalk.

    • @marcg1686
      @marcg1686 10 місяців тому +4

      Running out of money didn't help.

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому +4

      Hows electricity supply its no longer guaranteed 24/7 i campagained against ANC TuTu when they came to australia 40years past lost the fight its sad

    • @marcg1686
      @marcg1686 10 місяців тому +14

      @@Eric-kn4yn It is indeed sad. South Africa is to all intents and purposes a failed state.

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому

      ​@@marcg1686australia getting record big unwanted 👽 migration housing crisis whites dont want it govt not of the people now its scary good luck to you

    • @Ollies2CentsWardill
      @Ollies2CentsWardill 14 днів тому

      I recall the end of that war. The South Africans were demobilising and handing in their weapons as per the peace deal when SWAPO sc*mbags tried to take advantage and launch an attack. I believe SWAPO were made to regret that.

  • @Bob_Burton
    @Bob_Burton 10 місяців тому +35

    5:07 WHOOPS !
    A rate of climb of over 46,000 feet per second is 31,000 miles per hour

    • @pigmoonk2545
      @pigmoonk2545 10 місяців тому +1

      space plane

    • @Airtzel
      @Airtzel 10 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, Elon Musk needs to take notes here

    • @vut_zarco
      @vut_zarco 9 днів тому

      Could be 46 000' per minute. Sounds reasonable.

  • @robinwells8879
    @robinwells8879 10 місяців тому +5

    Necessity is the mother of invention!

  • @deancameronkaiser
    @deancameronkaiser 10 місяців тому +55

    As a South African I'm proud that you covered this. If you can get info please do a cover story on the Milkor 380 UAV that my company produces or our 40mm Multiple Grenade Launcher or Super Six. I work for Milkor and it would definitely be interesting to see if you can get more information on our First UAV produced on the African continent by Milkor.

    • @Mattio_1
      @Mattio_1 10 місяців тому +1

      We have drones ?

    • @deancameronkaiser
      @deancameronkaiser 10 місяців тому +5

      @@Mattio_1 yes we do. Milkor South Africa based in Cape Town Western Cape has built the first operational 18m long wingspan Drone or UAV. It's the biggest Military Drone produced on the African continent. It's called the Milkor 380 UAV.

    • @deancameronkaiser
      @deancameronkaiser 10 місяців тому +5

      @@Mattio_1 I work at Milkor Head Office in Centurion Gauteng so I know a lot. I'm based in the weapons Department where we produce Grenade Launchers that are sold to over 60 Countries worldwide.

    • @deancameronkaiser
      @deancameronkaiser 10 місяців тому +4

      @@Mattio_1 Milkor is a Civil Defence Company started in South Africa in the early 1980's. We have been going for over 40 years, we were the first Company in the world to produce a Multiple Grenade Launcher 40mm. Our MK1 variant of our Flagship gun called the Milkor Super Six is used by the US Marine Cor to this day. Obviously with that being said we have made substantial changes to the gun over the years to where it's better than our competition.

    • @RubenMyburgh-gw2ww
      @RubenMyburgh-gw2ww 10 місяців тому +3

      We darn made the rest of the world be scared

  • @hyltonswemmer4824
    @hyltonswemmer4824 16 днів тому +3

    that climb rate is actually 46000 ft per minute NOT per second.......

  • @Upemm
    @Upemm 10 місяців тому +5

    Only two Grippens flying now I believe.

    • @marcg1686
      @marcg1686 10 місяців тому +1

      And SAAF pilots going to Cuba for training.🤦

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому

      ​​​@@marcg1686 sth afrikan embassy gave us material to distribute when tambo TuTu were in australia necklacing winnie australian govt wanted whites out in sth afrika we lost the fight now every white nation except ex soviet bloc 👽 migrationreplacing white race sth afrika elec not guaranteed 24/ 7 its sad

    • @piet8803
      @piet8803 10 місяців тому

      @@marcg1686 They love their commie friends. I may be wrong, but I think the army gets their medical training there as well. Cuba needs the money.

    • @Upemm
      @Upemm 10 місяців тому +2

      @@marcg1686 I don’t know what they are going to fly , most aircraft are out of service for lack of parts and can’t afford the mechanics to fix them when they might be able to pay for the parts. Very sad state of affairs.

    • @marcg1686
      @marcg1686 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@UpemmSad indeed. I remember a SAAF officer interviewed by Air Forces Monthly at the time the SAAF was looking for a replacement for the Cheetah/F1 fleet saying that they were bowled over by how expensive 4th generation fighters were compared to the Mirage 3. I've often wondered if purchasing additional Mirage 3 and 5 airframes and doing complete rebuilds wouldn't have been preferable. And perhaps uprating the Atar engines.

  • @FrankMoodyPhoto
    @FrankMoodyPhoto 10 місяців тому +2

    Awesome video. My only criticism was the start of the Border War as we called it, was when UNITA asked for South African assistance during the Angolan Civil War. That war expanded to include the liberation of Namibia.

  • @neilleonardo961
    @neilleonardo961 10 місяців тому +6

    Cheetah /IAI Kfir Development is a slap in the face to the Americans

    • @mtrest4
      @mtrest4 10 місяців тому

      America approved of it.
      In the 80s, America backed South Africa apartheid govt behind the scenes as it feared a Soviet backed overthrow of the apartheid govt.
      US Congress however passed laws restricting US help to South Africa due to public protests against the apartheid regime.
      So US turned to Israel (and France?) to supply equipment through the back door.
      Correct me if I'm wrong...

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому +5

      Its all history now sth africa failed state sad

    • @pierrelightfoot2669
      @pierrelightfoot2669 10 місяців тому

      The US always wants a finger in every pie. It is because of the US and the UN that everything here in South Africa went south.

    • @PhansiKhongoloza
      @PhansiKhongoloza 11 днів тому

      ​@@mtrest4I have no doubt Ronny and Maggie made a plan via the back door?

  • @jonathanwiggill8242
    @jonathanwiggill8242 10 місяців тому +6

    Had the privilege of seeing the Cheetah C demonstrated in Port Elizabeth probably around 1990. It was impressive in turning ability compared with the 2nd generation Mirage F1's . One aspect made it difficult to see as it moved away from the airfield - that later dark grey camouflage scheme made it almost impossible to identify against an overcast sky. It was also very loud on full afterburner! The real magic was actually the electronic warfare suite much of it developed locally and probably still fully or partially classified. Hats off to "the boys in Pretoria" They were also planning a full ground up 4th genner - a locally developed multi role fighter to be named The Atlas "Carver " (see Wikipedia page)

    • @nerdyali4154
      @nerdyali4154 10 місяців тому +1

      Classified in South Africa now means easily available to anybody with a bit of cash.

  • @AnttiBrax
    @AnttiBrax 10 місяців тому +2

    UN: Arms embargo on South-Africa, ok?
    IAI: The what?

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому +2

      🇮🇱 plays by its own rules 😂

    • @kehindebamgbopa3037
      @kehindebamgbopa3037 9 місяців тому +1

      Reason why it's got SA govt heading to the world court with genocide allegations ATM

  • @madmaximus2836
    @madmaximus2836 10 місяців тому +3

    You can see decommisioned Cheetahs at Swartkop Airforce base in Centurion, Gauteng..

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому

      gate guards weather will destroy them any in a/c museums

  • @boomcracker9777
    @boomcracker9777 10 місяців тому +2

    I think this guy makes mistakes on purpose so that we comment on em

  • @MSimmonsAZ
    @MSimmonsAZ 10 місяців тому +7

    Namibia is a beautiful country

  • @dannywlm63
    @dannywlm63 10 місяців тому +6

    Does South Africa still have an airforce?

    • @MrSimonw58
      @MrSimonw58 10 місяців тому +5

      Previously known as Gupta airways

    • @deancameronkaiser
      @deancameronkaiser 10 місяців тому +6

      Somewhat lol but yeah the old regime had things under control. As for the current one I can't confirm that we actually have an air force or even a military anymore.

    • @GeorgeDeVoogd
      @GeorgeDeVoogd 10 місяців тому +13

      We use the SAAB grippen fighters and rooivalk attack helicopter. Sadly, due to blind stupidity, bad governance, uncontrolled corruption, and insane incompetence, the fact that our arms manufacture is bankrupt along with everything else, most of these no longer fly. So, no, South Africa no longer has an airforce.

    • @deancameronkaiser
      @deancameronkaiser 10 місяців тому +1

      @@GeorgeDeVoogd we can just say due to corruption that's why our air force and military is up to shit.

    • @Shadow__133
      @Shadow__133 10 місяців тому +7

      @@deancameronkaiserOr a country 😂

  • @mwallace2922
    @mwallace2922 10 місяців тому +4

    And look at South Africa today.🤔🤔

  • @carlstaude8576
    @carlstaude8576 5 місяців тому +2

    We lost against comunism and the apartheid never ahould have been there but as citizens what could we do??? We fpught black and white together as comrades but politics interfeared again as usuall. Ex SA was an amazing country !!! We had the strongest ARMY AND AIRFORCE IN AFRICA!!!!!

  • @lescrooge
    @lescrooge 10 місяців тому +6

    My Country, sadly

  • @maestromecanico597
    @maestromecanico597 10 місяців тому +4

    It is amazing how much excess capacity was built into 2nd gen fighter aircraft. Boeing once did a study at the behest of the DoD looking into the potential upgrade of the F4. What they came up with was close in performance to the new “teen” series of planes then coming into service and superior to anything coming from the east. Needless to say Grumman, McDonnel-Douglas, etc. we’re none too keen on seeing an F4 upgrade.

  • @Shontaku
    @Shontaku 10 місяців тому +3

    It was so much safer before apartheid ended.

  • @H4RedOctober
    @H4RedOctober 16 днів тому

    Great video. I never realised how much development went into the Cheetah. I just wander where all those skills ended up after 1994. The current Air Force struggles to keep their Saab Gripens flying.

  • @sparky4878
    @sparky4878 10 місяців тому +4

    A rate of climb of 46,000’ per second? I think that should be per minute.

  • @Nlangkirby135
    @Nlangkirby135 10 місяців тому +4

    Speaking of mirages, I would like to see a documentary of the IAI Kfir.

  • @Eric-kn4yn
    @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому +2

    Sth afrika is turning into a failed state electrcity no longer taken for granted

  • @andrescheuer4400
    @andrescheuer4400 10 місяців тому +2

    I love how the west now like to bandy the apartheid word about my country when it is that same west that had urged us to get involved in Angola but then turned their backs on us the Namibie story something else but once again we were mandated by the west to oversee that country funny hay

  • @lordsqueak
    @lordsqueak 10 місяців тому +2

    A video about Draken International would be interesting

  • @theantheron85
    @theantheron85 10 місяців тому +3

    Great upload! Thanks for the follow up from the Mirage to my favorite! Should have dug a bit deeper for the end and mentioned the Atlas Carver project that never was.

  • @glennllewellyn7369
    @glennllewellyn7369 10 місяців тому +3

    Rate of Climb of 46,000 feet per second?
    That’s 9 seconds to reach space!

  • @thehark6247
    @thehark6247 10 місяців тому +4

    the amount of money , man hours, and lives wasted for psycho chess games is truly an abomination to the creator of all.

    • @bootlegpete7984
      @bootlegpete7984 10 місяців тому +4

      Same goes for religion...

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 10 місяців тому

      ​@@bootlegpete7984 thats life negotiate from strength

    • @tonynz9954
      @tonynz9954 Місяць тому

      @@Eric-kn4yn Negotiate from world sanctions.

  • @boomcracker9777
    @boomcracker9777 10 місяців тому +2

    It was camoed like the cheeta cat?

  • @SatchPersaud-sm1gc
    @SatchPersaud-sm1gc 10 місяців тому +2

    Why's Israel always helping south Africa?? Or vise versa? I like how they dismantled all the nukes before they handed over power😂😂😂

    • @PhansiKhongoloza
      @PhansiKhongoloza 11 днів тому

      Would you hand over nukes to bunch of deranged terrorists?

  • @wb7sff
    @wb7sff 10 місяців тому +3

    46,000 feet per second ?? Pretty Fast !!

  • @thedevilinthecircuit1414
    @thedevilinthecircuit1414 10 місяців тому +2

    Rate of climb 46,000 feet per second = *ludicrous speed* !!!

  • @rynopot
    @rynopot 17 днів тому +1

    Okay, the Afrikaans "skool" which you translated to Skull - is actually School. So it is today 85 Combat Flying School - from 89 Combat flying School.

  • @0448mickey
    @0448mickey 10 місяців тому +13

    As a South African, it makes me proud to see what we achieved, and furious that we were betrayed by the west, as well as the adders in our bosom.

    • @kehindebamgbopa3037
      @kehindebamgbopa3037 9 місяців тому

      Yeah. That apartheid thingy was real cool!

    • @tonynz9954
      @tonynz9954 Місяць тому +1

      @@kehindebamgbopa3037 apartheid worked !!

    • @kehindebamgbopa3037
      @kehindebamgbopa3037 Місяць тому

      @@tonynz9954 Go do an encore, then.

    • @user-ez9en7vk2z
      @user-ez9en7vk2z 16 днів тому

      ​@@kehindebamgbopa3037now that SA has been africanised its a borderline failed state. Aparteid was a gatekeeper to keep babarins @bay.

    • @Ollies2CentsWardill
      @Ollies2CentsWardill 14 днів тому

      @@user-ez9en7vk2z Whatever the reason for apartheid there is no way that you can expect 80% of your population to accept being 2nd class citizens. Apartheid's demise was inevitable and to think otherwise is fantasy.

  • @Homoprimatesapiens
    @Homoprimatesapiens 7 днів тому +1

    Now listen Bozo. The topic is very interesting but unfortunately you are painting the wrong picture with some facts that is far from the truth and reality. Firstly S.A. wasnt under a apartheids regime but under a democratic government. Secondly S.A wasn't fighting against S.W.A. but against communist infiltrating proxies or terrorist factions supporting by Angola, Cuba and Russia. In fact the SADF was asked by the S.W.A. top officials to support them against the infiltrators. And this they did really effective. Thirdly the SAAF wasnt losing against the Cuban Mig 23 but shot down 2 of them while losing 2 Mirage F1's. So the score was equal. Your efforts to smear the previous era S.A. is just feeble and off track.

  • @martynissitt2693
    @martynissitt2693 10 місяців тому +3

    Rate of climb 46,000 ft per second is pretty impressive 👍😂

  • @cal7875
    @cal7875 10 місяців тому +2

    That’s a Kfir bro, basically… less the J79. Not an indigenous design as u suggest

  • @cavemanbum
    @cavemanbum 10 місяців тому +9

    5:06 - 46,000 feet per SECOND? Wow, that's pretty impressive.

    • @andrewmorke
      @andrewmorke 10 місяців тому +1

      That would be a massive surprise to any of its engineers or pilots.

  • @woodrow1455
    @woodrow1455 10 місяців тому +2

    rate of climb of 46000ft per second idk bout that one chief 5:02

  • @KwaggaJac
    @KwaggaJac 10 місяців тому +3

    Flamgatte!

  • @martinstrumpfer1620
    @martinstrumpfer1620 10 місяців тому +2

    Cheetah D was introduced first entering service in 1986. The Cheetah E was developed more or less in parallel and entered service in 1988. In parallel to those ran the R project which flew in 1987. The Cheetah C was developed last and first flew in 1991.

  • @davejones6006
    @davejones6006 10 місяців тому +1

    14,000 feet per second? I don’t think so….

  • @ayre123none6
    @ayre123none6 4 місяці тому +1

    The Cheetah indeed is a Nesher/Mirag 5, retained the original Atar 9 engine and was upgraded by improved aerodynamics and increased fuel capacity, , the Cuban pilots with their Migs were no match to the SAAF

  • @Boss-Possum
    @Boss-Possum 4 місяці тому +1

    That's amazing considering today most of SA are struggling to keep the lights on.

  • @rynopot
    @rynopot 17 днів тому +1

    Your information is incorrect. the Cheetah C did not arrive first - rather it was the last of the Cheetah versions. It was first the trainer version D. Then the first version of the one seater came, the Cheetah E. And eventually the upgraded Cheetah C was deployed.
    There was the Cheetah B - looks like the D - but you can Google that. Like you should've done in the first place of the entire type

  • @talkietoaster2585
    @talkietoaster2585 10 місяців тому +2

    My understanding is that Draken rejected the Cheetahs because they were stored outside and in incredibly bad condition. I live nearby and have witnessed the Mirage F.1s being tested. Those are beautiful and loud!

  • @stefansmeda3737
    @stefansmeda3737 16 днів тому +1

    They also started to develop a brand new fighter. Check out the Atlas Carver to go down that rabbit hole

  • @Gerrardboss-v2g
    @Gerrardboss-v2g 4 місяці тому +1

    I think more credit is due the IDF . Wasn't the cheetah more a innovative copy of the kfir ?

  • @davidwhite7767
    @davidwhite7767 16 днів тому +1

    Did the Cheetah ever get an air to air refuel. Don't ever recall seeing tankers, either at Grootfontein or Wonderboom

  • @st3f1na
    @st3f1na 10 місяців тому +1

    Not mentioned variation with Klimov RD-33 engine (x1.5 thrust).

  • @TonyA4766
    @TonyA4766 10 місяців тому +1

    At 46,000 feet per second, it’s what Chuck Norris chooses to fly!!

  • @CBD-LIFE
    @CBD-LIFE 17 днів тому +1

    My father was one of the engineers on these aircraft during development

  • @muddyboots1881
    @muddyboots1881 8 місяців тому +1

    I would say $35M for a dozen aircraft is the bargain of the year

  • @fightingfalcon1986
    @fightingfalcon1986 10 місяців тому +1

    Also in early 2000s the Chilean Air Force bought a few Cheetah fighters to use them as spares source for the Mirage 5 and 50 in Chilean service before the introduction of the current F-16 fighters between 2006 and 2007.

  • @Kevin-s4r5o
    @Kevin-s4r5o 11 днів тому +1

    I was there you are lying pal nothing less than bullshit with pictures .

  • @mohammedsaysrashid3587
    @mohammedsaysrashid3587 10 місяців тому +1

    This is a wonderful video about Cheater ( upgraded Mirage 3) versions... by Israel 🇮🇱 and South Africa 🇿🇦 technologies capabilities. Approaches to Cheater R...as most progressive reconnaissance and fighters aircraft....thank you ( Dark skies) channel for sharing ... sometimes, international sanctions create opposition reflection resumes

  • @bj-th7ul
    @bj-th7ul 10 місяців тому +2

    Great series for seeing what's flown around out there even though it can be difficult to understand the implications of success... also have trouble distinguishing some different models - for some that I do kinda know I can see that the mixture of planes shown and highlighted can be confusing. thanks for sharing the entertainment (everyone)