You and your Loree are clearly bonded! But what's remarkable is that you could stick a reed that you've built for your set-up and sound pretty similar on a brand new oboe that's not been played in. I'm a terrible oboe player, and I made the switch from Loree to Yamaha years ago because I struggled so much with the variability of my Loree. Once I'd kind of settled down with my Yamaha, I went to an oboe workshop and got to try a bunch of new Lorees and Yamahas and the stereotypes were true. Each Loree felt dramatically different from each other, and the Yamahas all felt similar. So I imagine when you go to try a new oboe, the best thing to do is try as many as you can, and choose the one that lets you do what you want! Incidentally, I pulled my Yamaha out of retirement after about six years, and it's playing fine! Might be time for a tune-up, though... Love the videos. Thanks.
The Loree has less of a “dry” sound, I don’t know how to put it. I attribute it to the undercutting on Loree tone holes. Yamaha has less undercutting, similar to other brands like Howarth too. More undercutting = less stability but more resonance and “bleeding” between the notes, which can give more changes of colors mid-phrase/vocal qualities. The Loree is captivating in what it does between the notes, and the kind of resonance it gives. Loree definitely needs a more stable reed, but the instrument really sings. The Yamaha works well for someone who wants the oboe to stabilize more is what I’ve felt. It might feel better in a way, but there’s just more poetry to what you can do with color changes and legato on Lorees I feel, that always make me want to come back, even if I have to fuss with the reeds more so that they have a very clear pitch center.
I have extensively played Loree and Yamaha. The intonation and response on the Yamaha is unparalleled. I prefer my Loree for the color but not currently working in music I yearn for the ease of tuning and the how the Yamaha forgives bad reeds again.
I've learned that the undercutting is different with the Yamaha which explains the way the notes sit. The legato connectiveness is one of the pluses of Lorée. Making reeds for each instrument would be the ultimate test when deciding, at least for me. Both brands are obviously very well respected.
The Loree sounded richer. The Yamaha reminded me of my old Rigoutat when I played it against a friend’s old Loree. The Rigoutat was good but thinner. The Loree had lots of overtones. We used a pro mic but both my friend and I were able to hear the difference in our ears and it was very obvious in the recording.
Both sounded fantastic to me. That you got the Yamaha sounding so good with a reed designed for your Loree and as a new instrument says a lot about the Yamaha (and you), I think!
I must say that I have two oboes and I play both. The Loree 125 which is one of the very best oboes I have found (I have played most oboes) and I also have a custom Yamaha all wood with plastic protection on top. Both are great for me; my oboes don't yell.
I've found nicer Yamaha and Fox oboes to be very stable with effortless keywork. I really dislike the keywork on Yamaha's lower end and intermediate oboes, though. At least over the recording, your Loree Royal and Yamaha Custom didn't sound very different to me--but those differences are difficult for audience members to hear, even moreso over a compressed recording. Outside our own skulls, at some point the oboe just sounds like an oboe. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on either oboe! Are there standout timbre differences you perceive? Is the resistance different on either? I think you should spend more time with both and play on several different reeds to get a good idea. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us! :)
Thanks! I need to invest in a better microphone and maybe a different room to catch those subtle differences, but I think they are bothering good instruments :)
yes, they do sound different. Most likely, like I said, it is because the presenter does not play the Yamaha oboe. The Yamaha oboe is yelling and the sound is not unstable; that is, unacceptable.
Disclaimer: I've been out of the oboe game a really long time, so basically what do I know? Having said that, I didn't notice anything about the Yamaha's middle E until you mentioned it. I think it may be subjective, and maybe you're just used to how your Loree does middle E. In this video the two horns sounded pretty close. Nothing stood out as dramatically different on either one, and I'm glad you always said which was which or else I wouldn't have known.
I really struggled when it was time to upgrade. I played a lot of oboes. Yamaha has a great reputation but a Loree is what I bought. It clearly sounded better. And as much as I don’t like this, you are taken more seriously by the oboe community if you play a Loree over a Yamaha. People are funny that way.
The Loree sounded a little fuller, although there is not a huge difference for me in the recordings. I'd be interested to hear a comparison again after you've played the Yamaha a bit more. 🙂
I have tried the Fossati S, A, and Mb, the Marigaux 901 and 2001, the Buffee Orfeo and greenline, the Howarth XL and XM, and the Rigoutat J among others. I believe Loree has sharp E, D, and Eb in the second octave. My fav instruments aside from those are ONE Buffet Greenline, the Fosati S, the Rigoutat J, and the Bughleroni Artiste and the Opera. The Yamaha is the most in tune. I would prefer the Bughleroni Artiste personally out of all of them. I preferred the Tchaik on the Yamaha.
Both instruments sounded very nice, I’m sure you could play either in any professional situation. Both sounded a bit brighter than I aim for, but that could easily be my iPad. I have a college student looking for an instrument, I’d be happy if he found a Yamaha, a Loree, a Covey, or anything else that gave him a more refined sound than he’s getting on his school owned Yamaha 411…would be interested in your impressions after making a few reeds specifically for the Yamaha. Is that a 841?
The 831 is for those who use the European Reed, it has a more restrictive bore to match those terrible Euro Reeds. The 841 is a more free flowing bore for the US Reeds. That’s about all my knowledge I’m afraid, my son plays, not me. He uses the Yamaha YOB841. You can get more versions like the 841T or 841LT. Extra key and top joint bore sleeve. He just got his this year and it’s been a revelation……. So I don’t know which one he is using here, probably the 831 to match his Euro Reed?
Definitely your Yamaha playing is yelling; the notes sound outside their tone. The sound of your Yamaha playing oboe is truly bad; my guess is that you don't play the Yamaha oboe. The loree sound at it should, pure notes and no yelling at all; maybe just a bit.
You and your Loree are clearly bonded! But what's remarkable is that you could stick a reed that you've built for your set-up and sound pretty similar on a brand new oboe that's not been played in. I'm a terrible oboe player, and I made the switch from Loree to Yamaha years ago because I struggled so much with the variability of my Loree. Once I'd kind of settled down with my Yamaha, I went to an oboe workshop and got to try a bunch of new Lorees and Yamahas and the stereotypes were true. Each Loree felt dramatically different from each other, and the Yamahas all felt similar. So I imagine when you go to try a new oboe, the best thing to do is try as many as you can, and choose the one that lets you do what you want!
Incidentally, I pulled my Yamaha out of retirement after about six years, and it's playing fine! Might be time for a tune-up, though... Love the videos. Thanks.
Love how you are posting without quitting, just remember, there are lot of people that are enjoying this, just like me. Don't EVER give up!!
The Loree has less of a “dry” sound, I don’t know how to put it. I attribute it to the undercutting on Loree tone holes. Yamaha has less undercutting, similar to other brands like Howarth too. More undercutting = less stability but more resonance and “bleeding” between the notes, which can give more changes of colors mid-phrase/vocal qualities. The Loree is captivating in what it does between the notes, and the kind of resonance it gives. Loree definitely needs a more stable reed, but the instrument really sings. The Yamaha works well for someone who wants the oboe to stabilize more is what I’ve felt. It might feel better in a way, but there’s just more poetry to what you can do with color changes and legato on Lorees I feel, that always make me want to come back, even if I have to fuss with the reeds more so that they have a very clear pitch center.
Very perceptive, I agree :)
I have extensively played Loree and Yamaha. The intonation and response on the Yamaha is unparalleled. I prefer my Loree for the color but not currently working in music I yearn for the ease of tuning and the how the Yamaha forgives bad reeds again.
I've learned that the undercutting is different with the Yamaha which explains the way the notes sit. The legato connectiveness is one of the pluses of Lorée. Making reeds for each instrument would be the ultimate test when deciding, at least for me. Both brands are obviously very well respected.
The Loree sounded richer. The Yamaha reminded me of my old Rigoutat when I played it against a friend’s old Loree. The Rigoutat was good but thinner. The Loree had lots of overtones. We used a pro mic but both my friend and I were able to hear the difference in our ears and it was very obvious in the recording.
Both sounded fantastic to me. That you got the Yamaha sounding so good with a reed designed for your Loree and as a new instrument says a lot about the Yamaha (and you), I think!
I must say that I have two oboes and I play both. The Loree 125 which is one of the very best oboes I have found (I have played most oboes) and I also have a custom Yamaha all wood with plastic protection on top. Both are great for me; my oboes don't yell.
I've found nicer Yamaha and Fox oboes to be very stable with effortless keywork. I really dislike the keywork on Yamaha's lower end and intermediate oboes, though. At least over the recording, your Loree Royal and Yamaha Custom didn't sound very different to me--but those differences are difficult for audience members to hear, even moreso over a compressed recording. Outside our own skulls, at some point the oboe just sounds like an oboe. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on either oboe! Are there standout timbre differences you perceive? Is the resistance different on either? I think you should spend more time with both and play on several different reeds to get a good idea. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us! :)
Thanks! I need to invest in a better microphone and maybe a different room to catch those subtle differences, but I think they are bothering good instruments :)
I'm not a fan of Yamaha's keywork. The keywork on my Loree Royal is so much nicer and quieter, just feels ergonomically better.
yes, they do sound different. Most likely, like I said, it is because the presenter does not play the Yamaha oboe. The Yamaha oboe is yelling and the sound is not unstable; that is, unacceptable.
Disclaimer: I've been out of the oboe game a really long time, so basically what do I know? Having said that, I didn't notice anything about the Yamaha's middle E until you mentioned it. I think it may be subjective, and maybe you're just used to how your Loree does middle E. In this video the two horns sounded pretty close. Nothing stood out as dramatically different on either one, and I'm glad you always said which was which or else I wouldn't have known.
Interesting!
I really struggled when it was time to upgrade. I played a lot of oboes. Yamaha has a great reputation but a Loree is what I bought. It clearly sounded better. And as much as I don’t like this, you are taken more seriously by the oboe community if you play a Loree over a Yamaha. People are funny that way.
It’s tough for sure!! What kind of Loree did you settle on?
It’s one of the more unusual violetwood oboes with the AK bore. My teacher, Joe Halko, gave it a big thumbs up. I’m really enjoying playing on it.
@@GrotrianSeiler that’s great! I love joe he is a a wonderful human!!
このヤマハは40年昔の楽器です
今の最新のヤマハカスタムは、日本のプロオーボエ奏者も使っている人が多く素晴らしいオーボエに仕上がっています
価格も日本で買えば100万円(メーカー価格)。店舗では80～85万円程度と安いのも魅力
the side pony is iconic
The Loree sounded a little fuller, although there is not a huge difference for me in the recordings. I'd be interested to hear a comparison again after you've played the Yamaha a bit more. 🙂
I have tried the Fossati S, A, and Mb, the Marigaux 901 and 2001, the Buffee Orfeo and greenline, the Howarth XL and XM, and the Rigoutat J among others. I believe Loree has sharp E, D, and Eb in the second octave. My fav instruments aside from those are ONE Buffet Greenline, the Fosati S, the Rigoutat J, and the Bughleroni Artiste and the Opera. The Yamaha is the most in tune. I would prefer the Bughleroni Artiste personally out of all of them. I preferred the Tchaik on the Yamaha.
I haven’t seen that many Bughleroni but I’d be interested in trying one out
i like the lore oboe, sounds more warm, more melodious
Both instruments sounded very nice, I’m sure you could play either in any professional situation. Both sounded a bit brighter than I aim for, but that could easily be my iPad. I have a college student looking for an instrument, I’d be happy if he found a Yamaha, a Loree, a Covey, or anything else that gave him a more refined sound than he’s getting on his school owned Yamaha 411…would be interested in your impressions after making a few reeds specifically for the Yamaha. Is that a 841?
Great! I hope they find the right oboe !
I thought that's a yamaha 811
the older version of yamaha oboes...
and now in the market is 831 or 841 :)
To my ear, the Loree has a somewhat richer tone.
I think that’s right to me , it’s just a bit heavier
About 2010 I had the chance to buy a new Yamaha Custom.. but my then 25-year-old beat-to-s*** Lorree GQ51 still played rings around it.
Lorée hands down on account of the tone -- the "voice".
Listened a few times…The Loree has a singing quality sound than the Yamaha. It could be you are more used to the instrument too.
i prefer the yamaha!
I never really liked Loree at all, their oboes have a good sound but I don't like the feel of the oboe
Also curious if the Yamaha is and 841 or 831?
Sorry this is two years too late, and if I missed it, but what the yamaha a 831 or 841?
The 831 is for those who use the European Reed, it has a more restrictive bore to match those terrible Euro Reeds.
The 841 is a more free flowing bore for the US Reeds. That’s about all my knowledge I’m afraid, my son plays, not me. He uses the Yamaha YOB841. You can get more versions like the 841T or 841LT. Extra key and top joint bore sleeve.
He just got his this year and it’s been a revelation…….
So I don’t know which one he is using here, probably the 831 to match his Euro Reed?
The yamaha have beautiful ambience volume like liquid, oposed of the Loree that's sound dry and metallic
Definitely your Yamaha playing is yelling; the notes sound outside their tone. The sound of your Yamaha playing oboe is truly bad; my guess is that you don't play the Yamaha oboe. The loree sound at it should, pure notes and no yelling at all; maybe just a bit.
have you consideret a haircut??
Lol I thought about it before…
무엇을 비교하느냐 로레는 역사가있고 나무가 오래 숙성되고 힘을 받는다 리드를 앒게 써야겠지 야마하는 편하고 표현이 좋치만 편리주의라 리드를 힘이 있어야겠지 뭘 비교하느냐 오보 나무가 강하면 리드가 부드럽고 나무가 부드러우면 리드가 두꺼우면 되는것을 답답합니다
perhaps, I definitely would do it differently today.