I Read Andrew Tate's Book so You Don't Have To
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2022
- A pick-up artist says his brain moves too quickly to read, but I discovered that he, himself, has written a book. Let's see how this turns out.
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Obviously I have no way of telling for 100% certain that Andrew wrote these stories. But the writing style matches the style of his other posts, and his other posts mimic his speaking style.
Trust me: I was an English teacher for several years; I know how to match writing styles to one another.
editing to add: I'm not going to lay out all my evidence for why it isn't ghostwritten. I'd ask that you just trust me, the person who spent weeks reading and watching this guy's content to do this deep dive.
You're welcome to do the same and draw your own conclusions, but your mileage may vary.
It’s possible he got a really good ghost writer to match his style? Those skills are hard to come across though, so it’s definitely possible he wrote it himself!
I mean, we know he at least approved of these stories. Or else, he wouldn't have posted them at all, most likely. This shows that at his core, he probably does agree with the story's values.
Being an English teacher seems pretty cool
@@maninalift He might've just had really good editor. With a good enough agent (or enough fame/money) you can skip most of the screening process. A publishing house will throw the book at one of their better editors to fix, not wanting their ramblings to reflect poorly on the publisher. You get something that reads how their fanbase THINKS they sound, instead of the barely coherent mess they actually submitted. I used to work at a small publishing house near my college to make rent, got in because one of their 'fixers' was a family friend. I at least assume it works similarly elsewhere.
I find that nuance is uncommon in almost all forms of social media and I think you really took a nuanced look at this cruel bigot. I came in expecting a dunkfest and am incredibly surprised by what I got instead. Well worth the watch thanks for making this
Wow, this guy isn't just a red flag. He's an entire Emergency Alert System directly sounding on your ears.
Alright, that's a good one.
I'm writing this one down
I can’t even fathom that he’s real
Not a red flag, but a Communist parade.
he's not a red flag, he's the entire soviet army
His book is like if the Buddha was meditating and came to the conclusion that life is suffering and instead of developing character and compassion and inner peace he just stood up and went, "Dollar Dollar bill Y'all" and became a scam artist.
We can't really understand how a 4,000 I.Q. demi-god thinks.
"life is suffering and I'm going to profit off of it"
@@manictigerAre you referring to Siddartha Gautama or Andrew Tate? Because that is a very important specificity to make.
>implying that tate almost achieved nirvana
@@MangoshineAll he needs to do for that is go to a record store. /s
"He lived in Romania because they have lax sexual assault laws." I stopped having any further questions right there.
That's obviously the kind of thing someone who is totally above board would do.
He's currently complaining about those same laws right now, if you need an update to lift your spirits.
He moved their because Romania has the best internet infrastructure in the world and is very advanced in that way… a lot of webcam and streaming type businesses operate in Romania for that reason
@@kx5940 Really? Then why did he brag they have lax sexual assault laws?
@@coyoteclockworkstudios3140 he didn't
I feel like we can’t ignore the possibility that he’s employed a ghost writer. For someone to have such an outlook on books to put so much care into writing one has me skeptical.
I was thinking the same thing.
Dig through the comments (particularly Zhale Song’s), he stole all those stories from old folk tales.
The man read books and played chess as a kid
@@davelucas7997
What does playing chess when he was a child incur on his current view of books? Is it just that “chess smart so like book cuz it smart too”?
honestly, I think it's more likely that he enjoys books and just puts on an act to generate traffi...(maybe not the best term in this instance)... rage clicks. His whole career is built around grifting and his personality.
never in my life did i think i would hear someone unironically say, “I’m too smart to read.”💀
😭sounds like something an angsty 1st grader would say to his English teacher
Grow up
it actually made perfect sense, wordcels r just mad ppl finally see thru their weird occult bullshit pretending hieroglyphs on dead trees speak directly to the brain
It clearly was ironic, all these short clips online see him intentionally acting a clown to get attention. Not saying he’s a good guy but I can’t believe how many people don’t recognize he’s clearly intentionally being a goof most of the time
@@tobiasyoderunny he has also said a thousand times all he says it’s real and finds insulting people saying it’s just a “character”, the only part about him that is fake it’s him shouting like an obnoxious monkey but 98% of what he says it’s true, it’s what he thinks
"Domestic abuse, human trafficking and pick-up artistry" is a phrase where you expect one thing to be less terrible than the others, but it keeps not being so.
I had to laugh out loud when I realised the sentence structure implies pick-up artistry to be a step up from the previous two
He’s really just everything bad lol
He uses pickup artistry to push women into sex work. The way he uses it, it’s definitely terrible.
There's only one good Pick Up artist, and it's my Zigzagoon.
@@matusjansta I recommend Hbomberguy, who
cover various things, including Pick-up-Artistry and Misogony.
"I am too smart to read books" - said no smart person ever
I was looking for someone who said something about this part, because... MY BROTHER IN NOTTHING, DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ?!
That clip just screams "I have horrible ADHD!" >.
@@tweaker1bms Bro, I have ADHD. PLEASE DO NOT GROUP ME WITH HIM
@@starrrr444 I'm pretty sure I have ADHD too, and so do some terrible people. If someone tells me Andrew Tate is an air breather, I won't stop breathing just to avoid being associated with him.
@@Temudhun Eh, I'm sorry if I was offensive, lol. It was genuinely just a shallow joke lol. Thanks for your point of view!
I'm guessing Andrew wrote the prologue and hired the guy who owns the Twitter account for the story as his ghost writer for the rest of it. A prologue saying violence is the only way to impress women and make them respect you followed by multiple chapters preaching nonviolence seems so disjointed that I really think two authors wrote it and Andrew takes credit for all of it.
Totally agree. I waited the whole 23 mins of the video for her to say "there's the possibility he hired a ghost writer" but no. Just overly sentimental analysis that tells more about the host than Andrew Twate
“I bet you don’t walk around your house holding a sword.”
Zoe: *wears swords on her ears*
Perfect!
Omg wait are those the Jill Bearup swords?
@@EricChoiniere omg , now i want a crossover
Me as a sword enthusiast :
- Lady I love your earrings.
@@davidegaruti2582 Unlikely. Bearup is a TERF.
Zoe: i bet you dont walk around with two swords
Just in case anyone who needs to see this stumbles across it:
These PUA types are not out there sleeping with super hot women all the time. They're spending all their time and energy try to convince you that they're sleeping with super hot women all the time. These guys are salesmen. They're not experts on women. They're experts on desperately lonely men. Don't be a sucker.
With that out if the way, thanks Zoe. That was a real journey of a video. I'm reminded of a line from Where the Buffalo Roam. "Even a werewolf deserves an attorney."
That's a lot of cope my guy. I frequent bars with friends a lot and I see these types all the time walking out with a woman in his arms. Do I think anything happens beyond that one night stand? Nah, that's not the point either, maybe you go for round two but that's it.
The thing about women is they literally don't care how much of a jerk you are, how much of a POS you are, if you've got a good bod and project an aura of confidence they'll drop their panties for you just like that. Even without the bod you can still nail a few with just the confidence alone.
This actually makes me think :
I don't know if this is real ,
Maybe the PUA type is an act he is doing to in a sense be a father figure to other vulnerable guys ,
Like his father was to him ,
The way in wich he talk about his father sounds like he was a favoured child of sorts , with high expectations ,
So he may be casting these expectations to other men to feel less insecure about the fact he clearly will never live up to the standards his father put on him ,
The way he writes those stories is what he belives , maybe some of the wisdom his father imparted on him ,
And yeah in a sense his problem may be that he is trying to be his father instead of himself ...
Also the misogyny that is just toxic masculinity and idk maybe a psycologist talking to him may see that it's a jenga piece in his jenga tower shaped mind , and so it may link with everything else somehow ,
But , tbf idk , i saw him trough a youtube video and i don't particularly care about doing research on him ,
So i'll probably keep this assumption , and wait until i get some way to falsify it
As long as someone has sympathy for incels, I feel less guilty about not giving a crap! 😁💜
P.S. Sorry, everyone who has to deal with PUAs. I'm not sigma enough to attract them. I don't want to be, either! 🤣💜
As long as someone has sympathy for incels, I feel less guilty about not giving a crap! 😁💜
P.S. Sorry, everyone who has to deal with PUAs. I'm not sigma enough to attract them. I don't want to be, either! 🤣💜
Exactly right. And these guys might actually have one-night stands or go on dates from time to time, but that's because of various factors, from money genuinely helping to it just not being as difficult as their audience believes.
That said, most of their time is indeed spent on swindling and I only bring this up because these scum often have video and photos of them with women that they likely paid to tolerate them.
Guys that might fall for this stuff: having enough money to pay for dinner or some drinks is enough to have a good night that might lead to a relationship, and even that isn't necessary.
But that should not be your goal! I've been single for like 9 years despite my best efforts, but I wouldn't take back any of the meals I paid for nor the drinks I've bought. I had a good time treating someone I liked to a nice night. It's rewarding in itself and patience IS a virtue. Use it.
What worries me about feeling this empathy for him is that he is clearly a manipulator. In a psychological view, you need to be careful when feeling empathy for manipulators because they can use this sympathy to convince us that they deserve the endless second chances. I hope this isn't the case. That this will eventually be good. But I'm still skeptical.
Andrew Tate is an actual pimp. Which involves manipulating and breaking vulnerable people so they'll prostitute themselves and give you a part of the money. He pressured some girls to get tattoos that said "property of Andrew Tate". The man should be approached as a predatory monster, not some tough asocial dude with a soft side. He is way to far gone down the road of malevolence. He should receive a proportional punishment for the countless women he has used and abused before the idea of 'saving him' should even be considered in the slightest.
i used to deliberately write about really sad things in english class so that i would get a better grade and this is exactly why it works
Hook, Line, and Sinker
That's kind of dark lol
I would write about horror stories about trees with blood, scars made by demon bony hands and a haunted house in which an old lady would invite a younger woman to come into the kitchen and then tell her she was "cooking babies". The baby cannivalism story shocked everyone in the classroom but they ultimately laughed about it. 😅😅😅
@@mariannaortiz2426can I ask what motivates you to write horror? Is it shock value, twist, different perspective, curiosity, etc? I wanna understand why I also like such things but not watch horror movies lmao
@@mariannaortiz2426 *marry me*
"He lives in Romania because, according to him, they have lax sexual assault laws"
The facts that A) this is his motivation and B) he openly admitted to it being his motivation like it was a normal thing tell you all you need to know about this man.
You did a good job in this video.
"Zoe Bee- Documentaries so good, you'll want to bathe in lye afterwards!"
I suspect another aspect is that the women he exploits and/or assaults are guaranteed not to be armed.
We have normal laws regarding that... He should be deported from my country immediately straight back to his brexitland.
I have to sadly confirm that my country (Romania) does indeed have verey s*itty legislation when it comes to S.A. and bottom feeders like this guy can take advantage of this fact to achieve their malefic purposes.
I mean if you wanna kidnap white women you go to Romania, like, that's infamously the spot to do so.
He's pretty open about pimping women without consent
@@Robstafarian why are they "guaranteed"? Like what's stopping them from having a weapon?
1 like = 1 "this guy sucks"
I apologize that I cannot give infinite likes to this video. 100% FUCK Andrew Tate
Can we get this video one million likes to prove this man is POS????
He reminds me of tucky tuckerson. Only fun thing about them is the constant look of confusion permanently placed on their faces. It's hilarious looking lol. Other than that though they appear to be absolutely useless men... Worse than useless actually considering they have helped to ruin the lives of many people...
Unsure whether you mean a like on the video or on this comment, so just to make sure I liked both.
Nice sword earrings
the human trafficking bit kind of shuts out ill the empathy I personally have for him
All the charges were dropped. I am pretty sure it turned out to be a swatting
@@mamooh.8132 It's Romania guess what even he said himself you can bribe anyone there even the government officials...
@@mamooh.8132 Lol he in jail now boi.
@@Praisethesunson Yeah kept in jail for over two months with zero charges by the Romanian court, which is a human rights violation, but I'm sure you don't want to acknowledge the truth
@@vrl9037 Being a sex trafficking rapist is the charge you dullard. Mother Romania is going to see that Andy taint rots.
Realistically... What we say has little meaning outside of ourselves. It's what we do that matters. His writing may have glimmers of positivity , but his actions show it's just hypocrisy. If he truly wanted to live a life to honor his father...Then why is he a cheap con artist pimp who beats and enslaves women?
Honestly...it reeks of juvenile pathos, which becomes nauseating when you compare the writing to the (and I use this term loosely) "man".
He actually stole all those stories from other books lmao
@@heavensgate2245How do you know?
Me, being an internet citizen and seeing a callout video:
"Oh no, now Zoe is going to get addicted to the attention and views from low effort drama videos. Her corruption is at hand."
Me, having watched the video.
"The internet will never corrupt Zoe."
It did bum me out that the first line of the video for a creator the algorithm has never put in front of me before was “I try and keep things positive” like I know negative content is more algorithm friendly but oof
Edit after watching the video: the internet will never corrupt Zoe
At least I hope so
I read that in Sir Christopher Lee’s voice
Zoe’s already corrupt. She’s out here simping for a criminal.
@@jcnot9712 I have the distinct feeling you didn't watch the video if you're out here calling her a simp for having even a shred of empathy for someone she clearly looks down on.
And if you did watch the video, then I suspect you just want to be cruel. After all, someone having a nuanced, empathetic view of a bad person gets in the way of you being able to enjoy being cruel to them for being a bad person.
Am I the only one who was thinking very early on that Andrew hired a ghost writer and has never read what he published?
Considering he specifically instructs his “students” to impersonate him and clip videos of him saying inflammatory stuff so he goes viral, it’s safe to say he didn’t write them.
i still think that’s what happens tbh
No, I had that thought as well. But (like she said) it's actually just SAD if this really is his own work.
@@jcnot9712 what both you and many others including Zoe seem to miss is that Andrew greatly exaggerates and trolls a lot. He doesn't actually believe that his brain is too fast for reading and that he needs action more than anything. But saying it like thats stirs controversy and discussion, all meant to get him more publicity
@@richardvaasone5658 sure, he got locked up for trolling. That makes sense.
Plot twist: it was a ghost writer the whole time bc Andrew doesn't have the patience to write a book🗿
plot twist: greta thunberg gets him fucking swatted
He has more patience than any of you. You think you can build business (including the l scams and sex trafficking things) without infinite patience? You have no idea about anything then. You’ve never lived a life or tried to make it on your own. Criticise him all you want about the actually horrendous stuff he’s done but don’t use random insults that make no logical sense
I used to troll him on Twitter back in the day, just as a way to vent my rage at his horrendous tweets. I'd make fun of how he became Kickboxing champion by being the only one who showed up. I can't believe he's resurfaced.
Wouldn't do that now unless you want 5000 "WhAt cOloUr iS yoUr bUgatTi" comments and DMs
That’s actually hilarious lmao
I remember hearing about Tate back on Money Twitter, which was a problematic corner of Twitter for its own reasons, back in like 2018 and he was considered a bit of a laughingstock even back then
so we have you to blame.
His kickboxing credentials were also complete rubbish. His most notable title was an Enfusion 95kg title he got by beating a journeyman named Wendell Roche who was 2-9 in the past 3 years leading up to the fight
I appreciate your willingness to say "but." You mentioning that he's a bad guy, "but." Anytime I talk about a bad person with empathy, I avoid saying "but" or at least feel bad saying it, because of how often people confuse explanations with excuses.
Edit: alright, since so many think I’m assuming this guy is misunderstood or something, like HES the victim or like he deserves empathy - I’m not saying I agree with her choice to empathize with him specifically. I think empathy is important and beneficial - but if I were in court with this guy I don’t give a shit what caused him to do this, he did it. Empathy is a personal thing, it’s not meant to change consequences when it comes to crimes like this. Empathy can be helpful for victims to forgive their abusers but I’m also 1000% on board with victims feeling anything they want toward their abusers. It can be so freeing to just be allowed to hate, to not be expected to forgive. Forgiving can be important, but you’re not invalid or weak or anything if you haven’t forgiven someone. It’s NEVER the victims responsibility to give the abuser grace. I think empathy is most important when people are expressing desires to behave offensively, but have not yet. That usually shows a desire to change.
And her offering empathy to him doesn’t mean she thinks he shouldn’t be punished, obviously. I think victims near always come first. (I say near bc sometimes victims were the abusers 99% of the time, and the actual victim just retaliated after they’ve had enough, which in some cases is understandable.) I don’t feel bad for this guy, if I were to I’d feel bad for him as a child. He’s a grown ass man who has done awful things and he ought to get what’s coming to him. All I was saying is I appreciate Zoe’s willingness to say “but” in general.
Just, simply put - no matter what his reasoning, no matter the level of empathy a person can have toward him - he still 100% deserves punishment. Probably more than he will end up receiving.
I’ve already said this in replies below, but for anyone who hasn’t read this comment yet I felt I might as well add this.
Then replace 'but' with 'and'
Or 'yet'
2ND
I will say: she names him the worst guy alive in the title.
i literally looked at this comment for about the same time Zoe bee said "He's a bad guy. But"
i met this guy's dad maybe 15 years ago and i'm not surprised. within minutes of meeting me he said some shit about being a lion and saying he could tell i knew how to handle myself in a fight (this was a chess tournament, so his comments are out of nowhere)
Can you handle yourself in a fight?
lmfao source, trust me bro. Your life is literally so so so pathetic you make up stories about meeting people to feel relevant. you are pathetic.
In chess I imagine
You sound beta AF.
@@avoidantbehavior if he swings at him, simply move knight to E4 and he'll be out cold
the difference between the stories and what andrew says can be explain by the existence of ghost writer.
Or or or, maybeeee what he says on the internet, is just part of character he plays… like the man just says shit to get a reaction and it working…
@@TedxJit-KingYap if that's the case, why would he break character for the book?
It sounds like you did more work than the author, editor and artist combined.
Of course evil people are people. My mother is an abusive horror so cruel that calling her the devil is an insult to Satan. Her mother abused her and came from an abusive culture in an abusive country. They’re all human. I still won’t let my heart break over their stories. Just because you’re hurting doesn’t mean you have a right to hurt others. Your personal pain is no excuse. My grandma never learned that, my mother never learned that, but I did. So from human to human, it sucks this guy was hurt. Still doesn’t negate the fact that he’s allowed his pain to turn him into a toxic monster who probably deserves a lifetime penance for the pain he’s inflicted.
Also, even he did grow beyond the shallow prick he is no one owes him understanding for forgiveness. Especially the ones he’s hurt, and given he’s got followers he’s hurt people he’s never even met. I applaud your empathy, but I refuse to sympathize with an abusive human. Everyone was someone’s little baby once, it doesn’t mean any of us are innocent.
Hey, I applaud you breaking the cycle. It’s a very laudable thing to do for others we influence, so they may not go on to hurt others. I’ve been trying to figure out why it’s so easy for Zoe and people in the comments to give Tate the benefit of the doubt, and I think it might be ‘cause they don’t realize he’s taking the easy way out. It’s easy to hurt others when you’re in pain, but it takes daily resolve to try and transform it into a positive impact. So I can’t empathize with someone who’s not even trying not to be a monster.
I think it's really sad how some people think you're "on his side" when you've literally said at least 5 times unequivocally that this is man is bad. It's not weakness, or excessive chairty to see complexity in people, to see the good as well as the bad. Acknowledging the good doesn't excuse the bad. I think it takes a lot of emotional intelligence and maturity to see that even people like Andrew are people, and allowing their humanity to affect you, while at the same time not excusing their harmful actions. This was a valuable video.
And the people telling her to "be careful!" as if she's about to start DMing the dude... (after saying she hopes he might be able to change by *going to prison* and making sure to emphasize he's a terrible person several times)... feels a bit infantilizing to me, I have to say.
(It's fine to warn the public in general, but Zoe made her stance very clear, and didn't say anything concerning that warrants addressing it to her specifically...)
Only watched a couple zoe videos but my understanding is she approaches people with a great deal of empathy so that's how I look at it. It is ... more than I am personally able to do but I respect it for sure.
I agree with this, but even more than that I feel like it’s important to recognize the good in evil people because a lot of times that’s what suckers people in. A lot of very bad people are charismatic because they have good traits and we need to start separating good and bad completely while still acknowledging people being horrible monsters.
If we believe there can’t be any good and evil people then we will get tricked by evil people every time.
MY BOY INNOCENT LESSS GOOO 💯
i mean, empathize with the loss of his father, but recognize that it's not an excuse for a grown ass man to do wild sh!t like what he's done. Sorry, we all have traumas, at least you had a father, get it together.
kidding aside, this is fantastic. so many people forget that people are actually people. even the bad people.
MEGA FACTS!!!!
Still doesnt change the fact that human trafficking scum deserve a fate worse than death. They are people, and so are there many victims and seemingly where often quicker to show empathy to serial killers/sex offenders than we are the victims. All rapists have feelings and shit, that shouldnt be a surprise to anyone. The question of where the line is between just being a victim and being an accomplice is important... but where not talking about that. Where talking about a sex offender who developed a nihilistic worldview from a bit to much pressure in there childhood, is it tragic? Yes... but the tradgety lies more in the way it's led to him hurting others as that FAR outpaces any harm previously done to him. It lies in the systems that allow someone like him to continue to get away with this shit.
@@oliviabean8264 thank you!! We dunno need to show these men sympathy.
This is just classic "I can change Him!".
Nice girl. bad boy.
Tale as old as time.
A few short stories and shes all like "You don't know him like I do! He's really a sweet guy!" But he's a pimp and a trafficker of women.
Sigh
Yes, they are people, but they are also caught up in something dark. This is what good fairy tales are about. Big monsters, monsters that are symbolic of dark mental structures. Just saw a video about Lord of the Rings from Sarumans perspective. It was interesting because you can see how this play out in real life where the arguments Saruman makes use of is normal justification in politics, etc.
What's ironic is that he doesn't see women as people but women can still see him as a human being. i guess thats why some women gets into relationship with people like this and either gets trafficed killed or severely emotionally damaged. as someone who grew up in a toxic world with my mom basically like po, i seriously just got so happy that i didnt end up this way.
One day I was talking about how bad Andrew Tate was. I said he was a mysogynist. Someone comes up to me and asks what I mean by it. So I explain that he is a sexist, and the dude cuts me off and says 'Bro that's called FEMINISM'. Says a lot about him and his followers.
You know what he has got 350 mil dollars muscles while you whine 😂
@@helo98736Hahthis may come as a complete shock to you, but making money by preying on the insecurities of others isn’t a good way to impress most people
@@helo98736Hahand you have?
@@helo98736Hah he does human trafficking.
@@helo98736Hah where is YOUR money? Did your god Andrew spare some for his poooor fans? ofc not. he's spending it on himself while you go to war for him
there is also a significant anti-science rhetoric in that prologue; saying that Evolution requires hard work, and that only the people who work hard pass on their gained progeny is literally not Evolution.
the inevitable misunderstanding of "survival of the fittest". super frustrating.
It’s so weird, he’s just *so weird*
@@zoe_bee It sounds less like biological evolution and more like that Social Darwinism that old school Europeans used to support their colonization of “less evolved” civilizations
Perhaps I took it too generously and assumed he meant "evolve as a person" and not the biological definition of evolution. Of course, he also clearly doesn't know how trees work.
Evolution is about fitness. If hard work makes you more fit (it does) then how are you correct?
For anyone in the "life is competition" crowd:
Humans evolved to be social, moral, empathic, and loving. Our more competitive and selfish ancestors went extinct due to their ways. Don't follow their primitive mistakes.
Greedy CEOs still get all the money though.
@@Yama-qg3il Of course. If you are born into wealth and you're willing to do anything to be richer, then you will have a lot of money.
There are far more important and more fulfilling things in life than shallow luxuries and fake friends, though
@@lucyferos205 I really want money in order to have a nice house and free time
@@Yama-qg3il I agree. I need money to pay some expensive medical bills. I have recurring health issues.
But I don't need the money of a Fortune 500 shareholder to do that, and it's not worth hurting other people for
survival of the fittest
Everybody's got a damn story, including everyone negatively affected by Tate. Let's get back to the part where we hold Tate accountable and close the book on this menace.
Your kindness is not a weakness. Yet, some men have hearts too hard to seek help or forgiveness. All you can do is use the time that is given to you, like Gandalf said.
This level of empathy is laudable, and it’s useful to remember that bad people are still people, but the ‘I can fix him!’ feeling here is covering up an important aspect:
This whole ordeal has shown that he knows better.
That he’s capable of such expression and (a kind of) eloquence and vulnerability, and that he knows the value of those qualities enough to create that book and share it with the world…but then CHOOSES to live the life that he does. (And it’s not just an act for the internet if he’s actually facing criminal charges) He looked at those two versions of himself and CHOSE the current one, for some sort of social/financial/ego gain.
I’ve known some people who legitimately didn’t know better: who were brought up in such thoroughly ignorant/calloused/criminal environments that such a personality was destiny.
His writing betrays a youth that was capable of producing the person you see in there. But no different than any other con artist or river-polluting CEO, he decided to push that person down into the shadows and embrace the character that brought him what he valued more. He decided that money/social standing/fame was more important to him than treating other people as people.
Don't try to fix people like him. Weewooweewoo alarm. Danger.
I agree with you and I think it's important to see both sides of the coin. He made choices and continues to make choices that he knows are wrong. He likely also didn't, on his own, invent the idea of being an asshole for money. We live in a society that promotes and embraces his brand of toxicity and selfishness which means there are many positive incentives to act like he's acting. We have to hold both sides of the coin accountable: His personal choices and the society/system that incentivizes and rewards those choices.
@@Pensnmusic If you remove the incentives, people like him will become rarer and rarer. To bash an individual for making choices that give them (in their view) better life circumstances is a common brand of insanity. What we need is to destroy the idea that such a life is indeed better in the first place.
I'd take good people to surround myself with, that care for my emotional (and material needs often go together with that in my view) in the same way I do for theirs, over any sum of money. I follow the Aristotelean idea that It's the ability of individuals to be and have good friends (he calls it virtue friendship) that makes for a good community. Maybe such ideas need to return to popularity.
I think it's less "I can fix him" and more "he needs help, and that help may mean removing him from society for a time." She does mention that putting him in a place where self-reflection was the thing that he could do would be good for him, and doesn't at any point say that he just needs empathy or understanding.
Also reaffirms throughout the video that he is an *awful* person, but even awful people have complete thoughts and varied emotions. From a more calloused perspective, if we don't understand why people do what they do, we cannot hope to counter the harm they do.
I dunno, from the picture Zoe painted I see a deeply troubled man that doesn't quite know who he is. He seems to put on a facade of alpha male but deep inside believe that things can be better, even if he doesn't seem to quite know how to do it. It may be wishful thinking but maybe this whole PUA front is to attract people similar to him to then teach them valuable lessons through his stories.
I'm not saying he is a good person or that what he does is totally fine, but that, if the impression Zoe has is to be believed, maybe with some professional help he may be a valuable asset to bringing men that were raised with toxic masculine figures into a more positive and balanced mindset, exactly because he understands them.
The idea that in order for some to get their needed help, they need to leave society, is sad to me. From my perspective, that need for isolation from it serves as testament to that said society's deteriorative quality.
Why is it that this idea is being entertained? It is because, in my opinion, that society has been known for preventing the growth & development of people. I think this is especially true to those who did some messed up stuff, & try to become better because of it, get the right help, see a therapist, etc; but most of society cannot let that same person grow enough & recover to become a better person, & so they remain the same, reinforcing their messed up actions & moral views.
This can cause some, not all, but some to think in this mindset:
_If change results in negative feedback, then avoiding change will avoid negative feedback._
I did not expect this video to go on the trip that it did. I'm glad you posted it despite your doubts, though, because it was interesting to see the complexity behind someone who has done a lot of bad. The part about his father hit me the most
samee
same. I lost my father a year ago, he was everything to me but we didn't quite connect in all the ways I wanted and it's so hard not to relate to this turdball because of that. but I get it.
Oh yeah, his father was a diagnosed narcissist. And while not all narcissists are bad, his father certainly was.
So like he practically worshipped a man who was essentially never there and didn't even treat him well...
Master Po is also an obvious Kung Fu Panda Reference.
All his stories are rewrites of existing stories.
Nope, I'm sorry but he isn't a cartoon villain who's actions aren't real and you can just ignore them. This man has ruined countless lives. Hits women and treats them like trash, twists young men into the worst kinds of misogynists. Even if these human trafficking charges aren't real, the amount of pain and suffering this single man has caused is unreal. Like looking at a devil and thinking, oh but i can change him. I frankly do not care that he lost his father. I do not care about if he had a difficult childhood. I care about the fact that he spreads pain, and terrible ideologies that make everyone who looks up to him so much worse for it. If a great person is a pile of gold and a single bd deed is a bit of coal, everyone will focus on the coal, if a terrible person is a pile of coal, everyone will look for the piece of gold that might be in there, don't let the single piece of gold distract you from all the coal
Christ, I think if I were a woman and he approached me I'd book a flight to a different, random country. He looks like Gollum, and with this reputation? What a horrible, horrible person.
Please don't insult Gollum like this 🤣
Serious question: why would you give him that much power over you?
Serious answer: hyperbole. It's a fun way to write.
I think bad people should be judged by their actions and not their looks
@@lewzealand4717 Fair enough I guess, I just think histrionics and hyperbole empower abusers. He's a sad little pickup artist, not the villain of a slasher film, and acting as though he's the latter gives him power while obscuring the former.
Wow.... you have such strength of character. To actually take the time to compile and organise a book, and then read it, in spite of your differing views, his actions, and how you feel about him.... that takes a lot of patience and open mindedness, that I think many (including myself) lack.
It's honestly so awesome how you were able to go through this whole thing and come up with what I consider to be a fair and objective observation of the book and his character. I'm not sure how well I'm putting my thoughts into words, but the point is that you have shown me that I have yet to learn so much.
Thank you for this video, strangely enough it has given me more hope for humanity, in a sense.
Sorry but I ain’t sympathetic for someone who abused his now ex wife on TV, held 6 women hostage with armed bodyguards,used them for money laundering forced them into sex work, made them get a tattoo saying “property of Tate” on them & taught hundreds of thousands of men to do the same thing with an online course just because his daddy died! Do you realize how many bad people had someone close to them die? It’s a common human experience most people face especially when they’re the age of Andrew Tate . The “stories “ are rip offs of old martial art parables I’ve heard with the sensei replaced with his dad. Btw if this guy is constantly making his father to be his ultimate teacher or mentor & his brother thinks alot like him doesn’t that mean there’s a chance their father is the one who influenced him to be like this in the first place? Should I feel empathy & humanity towards Jeffery Epstein if he wrote some stories about lessons his dead mother taught him? “ Jeffery Epstein is horrible & I don’t like him BUT he’s so struck with grief can’t you find some humanity?” . He’s openly mocked emotional or grieving people before do he would just laugh at this & be a hypocrite. You may see yourself as the more compassionate or humane one but all you’re doing is giving his cult of followers another way to defend him or add depth to him even though he’s now finally in jail & evidence is coming out including audio recordings of his crimes , you may never paint it this way but you emphasized with & emotionally defended a monster that you spend 1/3 of the bashing but the rest of the time repainting him as tragic & the people who rightfully attacked him as uncompassionate when they’re actually compassionate towards his victims who would probably laugh at your image of his tragic mind. Maybe you should do a deeper analysis of the actual victims & let the man be judged for his actions!
His state as a victim doesn't negate his state as a perpetrator. You can hold someone accountable and feel sorry for the life they had. Jeffrey Dahmer had a miserable childhood and teen years and he still kept heads in his freezer. To me it just comes to show anyone can be evil with an environment sick enough. I truly believe people like Andrew Tate wouldn't be like this had they had proper affection and education growing up. And I'm sorry because whatever he is today he had to become in order to withstand whatever his past was like. Now imagine how fucking awful his youth must've been. Isn't that terrible? And the fact that we have to deal with what he is now, aren't both things terrible?
It's okay to feel sympathy for all the things these people could've been
Andrew Tate is so bad that his own victim defended him from their own allegations on romanian television? you're a moron if you believe every article you read and it explains why Matrix exists
@@Ty-mu7gl Most people with awful childhoods don't end up like this twat. At some point, you have to take accountability for your actions as an adult
This has "I can change him" energy, I've read a few of the stories and you might be giving him too much credit, I used to be a teacher and finding a troubled teen with some artistic inclination is rewarding, specially if you can help them, but this guy is 40, not a teenage boy.
I am so new to this channel its stupid so I know nothing about its host or this subject matter as such but holy cow... yes! the "i can save him!" vibes are unreal.
Yea, this video’s a really bad case of himpathy. I believe she meant well, but she must’ve not had someone proof read it ‘cause halfway through any decent person would just go “oh honey..”
Oh my god it really does haha
@@jcnot9712 Bruh you guys are fucking weirdos infantilizing a person because she makes a video about the complexity of the human soul.
She cant resist the Top G
His father is THAT Emory Tate!? I've previously looked at some of his games and he was a fantastically creative player. I never knew he had such a horrible son though. That's really sad
From Tate’s story, he wasn’t much better as a father. Emory would on many occasions walk out on Tate and his siblings, had a drinking problem, and many other glaring issues that Tate viewed as the embodiment of a good father, when in reality his father (indirectly) molded him into the man he is today
This feels like the opposite of "Your fave is problematic" posts. The Sleaziest Person You Know Just Made A Great Story. Too bad he doesn't actually seem to follow those lessons.
I was getting True Crime community vibes. Like the type of videos where they talk about how hot Ted Bundy is and how misunderstood he was. So transparent
Being a sleazeball is a decades old tradition in American letters. Not normally to this extent, though.
I love how you show compassion. I feel that's the way we actually solve problems instead of fight all the time.
Y'all understand that this is kung Fu panda fan fiction right?
Andrew Tate: "I *guarantee* you don't walk around your house with a sword."
Zoe Bee: (massive pair of sword earrings swishing over her shoulders) "You don't say?"
I admit, I was initially going with the ghostwriter theory, too, but your deeper psychological (and stylistic, per the comments) analysis is pretty compelling.
This was quite an interesting video of yours, and it definitely didn't go where I expected it to go. I have a feeling that if you hadn't been an English professor/UA-camr, you'd have made an excellent mental health professional: keen intellect, highly perceptive, tenacity to dig beneath the obvious, surface answer, and above all, a profound well of empathy to have compassion for a man who by most external indicators would seem to deserve anything but.
Some writing advice I read years ago dealt with making sure your antagonists were relatable and compelling in their own right. Who would love this person (i.e., the villain)? The aphorism I remember from that piece is "Even monsters have mothers."
That is pretty good writing advice in a lot of cases, although they're more like guidelines than actual rules, so there's always exceptions. Usually it's when the villain is a representation of some larger concept. Horror antagonists are a good example, because them being sympathetic and relatable makes them less scary.
Have you head of Edmund Kemp the serial killer? He decapitated his mother and fucked her in the mouth. Some monsters are just monsters.
Even a monster has a mother, wow
Boast her big fucking ego more than what it is.she prolly thinks she is so special with her empath bullshit.
I know other people who are genuinelly good writers who have touching stories to tell. None of them moved to Romania to commit sex crimes.
I have no empathy for a fully grown man who does so. This book just shows me he knows better.
Which makes him even worse imo
*to not be falsely accused and convicted for sex crimes.
he didn't write them, they're stolen from books. A commenter named Zhale Song compiled this list, all credit to them:
His “Tales of Wuhan MT.” Is a bunch of stories ripped straight out of kids anthology novels. Now granted he condenses them, changes names, and shifts the endings in some cases. But yeah.
The Dragons Pearl story is ripped straight from a story called “Double Dragon” and the American version “The Dragons Pearl.”
The Poison dart thing is a mix of two different Koans. The story about the tree is also a Koan, and taken from Lao Tsu about how one doesn’t need to go to war to break an enemy.
And hell, his one story about not fearing death is straight out of Tsu Ming’s “The traveler and the Skull”.
He has one that is the “Koan of the Monks and the river crossing” but it’s him and Po.
The Tree bit is literally from an episode of reading rainbow. Like the dudes a hack
Not proven. Cope and seethe.
@@loolfactorie Incel spotted
This felt like someone saying “I think I can change him.” Or a man using his legitimate emotional trauma to cover for inflicting trauma on others.
My thoughts exactly. This whole video's a mess.
Same its so messy zoe usually have points but this one's too forgiving
I'm working on a video concerning one of Tate's acolytes, and I want to thank you for the model you've set. The emotional work you did for this video should not be understated. You performed an immense labor setting aside your experiences and preconceptions to give this guy, of all guys, empathy. You've called me to a high standard, and also modeled kindness in a way that gives me permission to see the good in others even when their ideas feel threatening. I've felt the guilt of self betrayal when I found myself appreciating, emoting, or even agreeing with some Tate-y ideas, but I believe you managed to give compassion while maintaining your core. In fact, your extension of human kindness may be your greatest act of self expression. Thank you again.
interesting, have you posted the video yet.
How can a guy with sunglasses and a sword be a super creep? Obviously he must be misunderstood… probably
Well here I am 20 minutes later with that massive shift in tone and tons of feels
As Zoe hinted, I came here expecting to laugh at her dunking on another typically shitty member of the manosphere. Instead, I ended once again thinking, "Men will literally do anything rather than just fucking go to therapy."
For Christ's sake, for the sake of the human race---dudes, just go to therapy and stop taking your tragic emotional stunting out on the world.
they're the kinda people to say, "oh you're so sensitive" yet go BAWWWWW at every small inconvenience
As a man, I encourage every other guy to go to therapy; it’s good for your mental and physical health, and you will be much happier; it takes a lot of strength to do, and can be difficult, but you will be thankful that you did, and you will be better off
To give more context to why some men don't go to therapy I'll give a couple of senecios I personally know happened to people.
1. You have successful grades, become financially successful and do cool things. You achieve every standard of what society thinks is success and are fortunate in every sense of the word so how can your life be wrong.
2. You realize you need therapy. You ask your parents for it, and they don't see how you need it. If most guys aren't open or if you just don't know that their open about their mental health, then who can you turn to talk to.
3. You are being bullied and people who tried to get help would often get bullied worse for the fault of being weak.
I assume there's a lot more to it and more stories I don't know about but due to various circumstances people experiencing mental health problems can feel trapped and stuck and not get the help they need.
So many guys, when faced with dissatisfaction with their disorganized life and environment, will first google "how to get a girlfriend". There are too many barriers to therapy, so I condone finding methods of helping one's self, but people don't always have the right terms for their problems, hence my example. They may also lean toward guides "for men", hoping demographic data will make the guide more relevant to them. Both those methods get them into circles like this by design from those who want to sell them things.
In my experience, good advice is good advice, if a guide says it can only apply to one gender, it's misogynist. That doesn't mean it's useless, but it's something to be aware of.
@@crys7208 Yep, that's how it starts. Especially as many of the first results such a search produces are links to Reddit, and the dating subreddits have been increasingly taken over by incels/Red Pill types.
tbh, I do walk around my house with a sword, but I am not a complete piece of misogynistic shit as well
13:23 I feel this way about a lot of people. Most people are just going through life the best ways they know how. Some of them understand that they're wrong but can't stand the struggle of finding another way. There are some genuinely evil people, but for the most part, no matter how destructive the views they hold, people are simply broken creatures that need help finding a path in life. When it comes to most negative people, I just can't help but imagine looking in their eyes and asking deeper questions, knowing that their eyes tell the truth, while they strangle their true selves just to prove the points they've chosen to live by. I wish there was a way to break through everyone's walls and invoke a level of true strength and hope in every person.
A lot of awful people are very complex. My male gene donor (hereafter, mgd) was awful, to the point that I would not call him my father. He's spent his life in retail management, putting in hours-long commutes to massively long shifts, was exposed to the bigotry espoused by my grandparents and the news, was never able to connect outside of his circle or engage in his hobbies. I grew up knowing him as a cold, angry man. And he is still that, to an extent, but he's begun beekeeping in the last couple of years since getting a new, better, closer-to-home job, and he's massively improved. It makes me wonder what would have happened if he'd met people different than him when he was younger, got into a better job, didn't have managing others sprung on him out of nowhere. If just a couple of things changed, perhaps I wouldn't have been treated the way I was, and perhaps he'd have found more satisfaction with about 30 years of his life. I usually don't think about this stuff, but this video definitely prompted me to think about those things.
This gave me a real lump in my throat -- a thing as simple and innocent as beekeeping
Maybe it is not too late to have some type of connection with your gene donor. Both of you probably need therapy. Also, it is weird how life is: probably that management position that was thrust upon him was a promotion, with better pay, and many people would kill to get that. But it turned out something that wrecked his life and bittered his attitude towards everything. I hope that you, Daebelly, get some relief as well.
Ofc most people are not born evil its their societal conditoning its a shame some people are raised to a point thers no return thats why upbringing is so important
No joke, my brother and my friends and I have had multiple conversations about chuds like this and the incel-sphere and say to ourselves often, "...how close were we to that as teens/young adults?"
W father
god i remember when I read Antisocial, a book about a journalist following around far right wack jobs, and he managed to follow around a handful of high-profile right wingers durring and after the 2016. It had a chilling effect over me as it was a weird mix of the typical bullshit racist talking points I hear regurgitated online, but also the author just... describing them interacting with people in ways not too far from normal. Hammered in the point that even the most fucked up, horrible people still can interact with people in ways we all do. Forced me to think about how these types are *made* instead of their rhetoric.
Anyone can grown up to be an alt-right ideologue, all it would take is the right set of events to happen and horrendus choices. Monsters are awful, but they live their lives like most of us do, and might share our ideas if they havent been fully corrupted. Monsters are human, and thats horrifying.
I couldn’t have said it better myself
My issue with those pieces is they tend to try overwhelmingly hard to humanize the subject while offering little to no pushback to the abhorrent ideas their subjects have.
"Wow, this neo nazi worked crappy jobs, has a loving mom and is under mountains of debt, just like me!" isn't a massively revolutionary statement. Like, yes, it's important to remember that people with awful ideologies are people, but you also don't have to spend 80% of your documentary telling us how hard the family life is of the guy who wants to murder every brown immigrant who crosses his country's border. "Wow, this terrible person is pretty normal when they're not being terrible" can be super unhelpful.
What's worse, many more people are subverted by the far-left. And it never gets called out.
By whom is the book written ? Andrew Marantz ?
@@HorusOfficialBand yes, he was the one that write it
Zoe, I'm so, so glad I found this video. Last year when I was struggling with serious health issues, I made the mistake of reading a book by a friend-turned-bully of mine who became an author shortly after helping a person who assaulted me ruin my life and reputation. I was not really aware of how much it would aggrivate my PTSD, even after 5+ years, to feel such complicated things towards him during my health crisis. I'm also a writer, albeit an unpublished and very ill one, and reading that book _affected_ me. And this video helped me understand those emotions, and to not judge myself so much for having them.
I firmly believe that compassion is an essential skill to perfoming the work of liberation. Humanizing cruelty is not excuse-making or useless naval-gazing. Compassion turns the vague, sensory experience of oppression into physical targets: squishy bodies, imperfect minds, controlling leaders to be disarmed and ruthless followers to be chastised and reformed. Compassion is the sensory experience of the human spirit grasping at the experiences of others, and we need it to understand both ourselves and each other if we want to enact justice.
Thank you for reinforcing my resolve to honoring the spirit of my practice and the work of social justice in my own life. I admire your ethics and honesty in discussing your personal relationship the things you create, and it makes me believe I could do the same one day. I truly think the things you're doing are important in this world, and I hope you always can find peace and joy in the things you do, whether in in public where we can see them or otherwise.
Blessings and peace to you and yours ❤️ 🙏🏽
I absolutely love your compassionate yet not excusing take on the matter, and yet, I feel like we can’t ignore the possibility that he employed a ghost writer. I’m not saying that as an absolute, because I don’t want to put forth an accusation without any evidence, but a man who thinks he’s ‘tOo sMarT tO reAD’ combined with the fact that the story is nothing like the prologue makes me think that the prologue may have just been Andrew’s general idea of what he wanted his ghost writer to write. The fact that it’s literally just a Twitter thread doesn’t help either, and makes me think that Andrew may not even read the stories, which would fit his character and would explain why the ghost writer can get away with writing things that don’t fit the stuff we see in his videos at all (all violent and r*pey and shit). Again, I’m not saying this as an accusation, I’m just saying we can’t ignore the possibility
I’m gonna take that heart break about his writing and give you an easy way out of this “Complicated” villain arch.
His “Tales of Wuhan MT.” Is a bunch of stories ripped straight out of kids anthology novels. Now granted he condenses them, changes names, and shifts the endings in some cases. But yeah.
The Dragons Pearl story is ripped straight from a story called “Double Dragon” and the American version “The Dragons Pearl.”
The Poison dart thing is a mix of two different Koans. The story about the tree is also a Koan, and taken from Lao Tsu about how one doesn’t need to go to war to break an enemy.
And hell, his one story about not fearing death is straight out of Tsu Ming’s “The traveler and the Skull”.
He has one that is the “Koan of the Monks and the river crossing” but it’s him and Po.
The Tree bit is literally from an episode of reading rainbow. Like the dudes a hack
Do the stories keep the same ending?
@@intercakefederation sometimes, sometimes he swaps them, sometimes he makes a few up.
Amazing. I figured he just decided to get a ghostwriter to write some basic moral stories to make himself look deep and insightful, but its somehow an even worse grift than that.
Literally just took already existing stories and altered them a bit. Like, yeah. Of course it doesnt need to be ghostwritten when he just did THAT. People give way too much credit to some shitty misogynist grifter who has no incentive to change because being horrible is his entire brand and how he make money, instead of giving that goodwell to people who actually deserve it. Like, idk, the people with personality disorders some people in this comment section are trying to armchair diagnose this guy with because hes awful and they dont actually understand pds outside of the stigma hollywood movies teached them.
@@AN6_Miro well like you said. He’s a grifter.
But this an old pick up tactic called: “bleeding” or “Stilling” (a play on “still waters run deep”)
Basically, men recite or speak about an obscure text or idea to seem deep or interesting. When I’m reality they are making the girl let her guard down.
The practice was made famous in that scene from “Goodwill hunting”. Where a guy is quoting his college course and Matt Damon calls him out
I'm not much of a believer in intuition, but throughout this whole video I was thinking "there's no way this dude isn't just rewriting folk tales".
That's touching and all. But did this guy hire a ghostwriter? It's common practice in the self-help industry.
Nope, he stole (sometimes altered) folk tales.
@@silverthedruid4754 Plagiarism. Ok
It’s kinda important because her argument that he might be good is contingent on him writing it. That being said his ability to recognize the value of the stories could easily compensate for his not having written them
@@s0urfru1t
Not really. I’ve a feeling he only has a fond nostalgia because he grew up hearing them.
If you were to tell them to him for the first time now, he’d just disregard them.
@@BlackCover95 fair enough. I was trying to concede ground to the creator, because she’s of the opinion that he wrote them himself despite proof contrary.
Do you think someone could appeal to the fact that he’s still appreciates the story even if it’s just nostalgia? And this shows that there’s still an innocent child in this horrible disgusting man?
No, no, no we don't go there and defend the dumb idiot who raped women and ruined lives of young men. I don't care if he's trying to impress his dad or feels like in his shadow, many people suffer through that, yet they don't go out there and become human trafficers.
Normally I do like your videos, but that's just not a good way to deal with that. We can use empathy to understand that situation but ultimately, there's no need to feel sorry for this criminal.
Or, and hear me out...it was ghost written, and he still hasn't bothered to read it.
It sucks because a lot of these terrible people like that do have a lot of trauma behind them. It’s the joke about “Men will literally write multiple kung fu novellas than go to therapy” but like… that’s what happened, right? He’s deep into this PUA stuff because it’s the way he thinks he can be the “ultimate specimen of man” to live up to his fathers legacy.
It doesn’t excuse the behavior because he still at the end of the day chose to be a shithead instead of going to therapy or trying to deal with his trauma in a healthy way, but it’s something to remember when dealing with folks who aren’t this deep into it and are just looking to guys like Tate for guidance and a sense of belonging.
I wonder if this was ghost written. It could be why the message is different from his videos.
I legit thought Andrew Tate was satirising all the 'sigma male grindset' channels when i first saw him
fr like the shit he says is shit that wouldve been said in like 1950
it's been so beautifully liberating to watch pickup artistry to go from weird underground antifeminist movement to watching mainstream creators with next to no obvious political leanings tear into the pickup artists and pickup artist culture. thanks zoe
I don't think Andrew deserves your kindness. But I still admire you for having such a kind soul.
Remember when he harassed that dude with the sick kid for having a GoFundMe to pay for his son's healthcare? lol
He absolutely doesn't deserve the kindness. But it still helps us to make the world a better place if we remember that what separates us from the monsters of the world is not an innate difference between us. They are no less human than us. Empathy helps with that, in turn. Tate is vile in countless ways and probably deserves the absolute worst, but this isn't about what he deserves. Introspection and empathy like this is valuable to us, even if he deserves nothing nearly so good.
@@jemolk8945 bs excuse to simp for a criminal. If you want to be empathetic to someone, have sympathy for the countless victims he built his millionaire empire on specially the women.
@@jcnot9712 You really have a completely black-and-white worldview, don't you? From the fact that I said that we should care even though he doesn't deserve it, you conclude that I'm taking his side in some sort of debate? Ridiculous. Hatred is not necessary to oppose people like him. Hatred is not necessary full stop. If you want to build a kinder world, one that lacks monsters like Andrew Tate, you will eventually have to extend a measure of empathy even to said monsters.
@@jemolk8945 withholding empathy isn't hatred. Equivocating those two displays more of a black-and-white worldview than the one you accused me of having. I simply recognize that empathy is a limited resource that should be given to those trying to do good in the world. We can disagree on that front.
I don’t think he wrote that book
I think this might be how people get into abusive relationships.
This guy claiming that he's too intelligent to read books reminds me of the time in my life when I thought my sensation that my "real self" was my brain, piloting my body - which I later realized was actually one more sign, among many, that I was in serious need of therapy.
@Tin Watchman Of course, but that's not typically something we're experientially or sensorially conscious of. If you actually _feel_ a separation, the _palpable sense_ that you and your body aren't one -- that is a sign of depersonalisation.
Is that not just life is? You are the little man in your brain remote controlling the arms and legs
@@tiyas5378 Experienced it as a "withdrawal" symptom...The weirdest feeling ever, indeed. It's like being both the actor and the spectator of your everyday "scenes".
“He lives in Romania because it according to him, they have lax sexual assault laws” um EXUSE ME? We’re not gonna just look over that right? That’s all I need to hear honestly to judge his character
I figured it spoke for itself, but if you want a more thorough skewering, I recommend checking out Danny Gonzalez' most recent video on his second channel!
@@zoe_bee Oh, I’m definitely gonna check it out. Watching people tear into “alpha males” in pick up artists is one of my favorite pastimes
@@zoe_bee can you provide a link or the name of that channel? I can’t seem to figure out which video you’re referring to and definitely want to check it out. Thanks!
@@literaterose6731 p sure its 2Danny2Furious or something like that!
@@literaterose6731 I think it’s titled “update on Andrew Tate” on the channel 2 Danny 2 Furious. Also check out the most recent video from Annamarie Forcino for some additional context.
You are awesome, you have some genuine empathy which is such a rare quality online these days. I admire your honesty and straightforwardness here.
My brain is far too advanced for books! xD I'm in stitches
The heartbreak of seeing someone who could have been; a gleaming pearl of humanity buried under layers of self donned shit and cruelty.
It is devastating.
Complexity is a pain worth feeling.
This absolutely rides the line between "The depth of your research is beyond impressive" and "Why would you do this to yourself?!". Which is the perfect energy of the best YTers and I am SO here for it.
Also, how was I not following this channel yet?!
Edit: I love this. Zoe. I really, really love this video.
"He wrote some things that are totally and completely incongruous with what he actually says, but I swear it's not a ghostwriter mom! I know deep down he has some real sensitivity, and I can change him!"
"This guy is a terrible person"
"This guy sucks"
"I'm not trying to excuse his actions"
You, brainlet: "HuRr DuUr dumB FEmAle BeiNg WoOed By The EeVeel ViLlAin"
Regular psychoanalyst here apparently never encountered contradiction in people or is too much of a bellend to see his own
If you have this little reading comprehension, if you truly are this bad of a judge of character to conpletely distort and lie about what she said, then I feel sorry for you.
Abusers reflect who abuse them. That’s very common. Only a person who can self reflect on his/her actions can change. Otherwise boundaries need to be established and kept up until proven otherwise.
I could see Tate writing these stories fairly early in his life, well before he developed his grifting. To me, they feel like they were written by someone trying to process some emotional stuff and getting it out on paper. The framing of learning martial arts would be a setting that he is at least somewhat comfortable with.
That being said, currently he is a massive asshole. Even if we restrict ourselves to the stuff he proudly admits, he is extremely misogynist and exploitative towards men with low self esteem. Within that context, there is another reading of the text that is worth considering. And alas, it's not a good one.
First, remember that everything Tate puts on his website is part of his grift. It's intended to present a version of himself that will convince his marks to purchase his content. Most of that is some fairly awful shit designed to appeal to incels, such as explaining that he had such total control of his partners that he was able to make them into sex workers, with the implicit message being that he can teach you to control women as well. These stories are content that he is giving out for free, and should be viewed as part of his sales pitch. It makes sense to put a fair amount of effort into it because it's suppose to convince you that it's worth spending thousands of dollars on Tate's glorified discord chat. The choice to use Orientalism as part of the framing plays into the biases of his target audience. Even the fact that they may contain actually useful wisdom is helpful for selling his other content.
You also engaged with the work in a very different way that intended. Remember: The Medium is the Message. Everyday, the reader is suppose to get a single story, a remember that Tate exists, is wise and does martial arts. Everyday, it's a reminder that it would be "worth it" buy Tate's other content and to learn from him. It's not a collected book of Tate's feelings and wisdoms, but a series of advertisements designed to get people to buy his awful shit. I find it hard to read marketing copy as an authentic expression of self.
I find the fact that dissenting views like this one and mine seem to be a minority here rather ironic -- whether it's callous dehumanization or an excessive generosity, people seem to clump together and give any subject little further thought beyond what an author puts out there. Neither scenario seems particularly encouraging.
The thing is that writing is hard. He would have to be an outstanding writer to be able to produce stories like this with such mercenary intent. Yes, the way they are used is exactly as you describe. But art always says something about the artist. If this was soulless advertising copy it would read as soulless advertising copy. Something Zoe is all too familiar with. Just because these say something different to a compassionate English teacher who thinks about things deeply than they do to lonely desperate incels, or even to the author, doesn't mean that meaning doesn't exist. Yes he's a terrible human who causes enormous amounts of harm to men and terrible abuse to women. But understanding how that kind of person came to exist, and having sympathy for the victim of abuse, even if they go on to be an abuser themselves is a worthy thing. If we don't understand how people like this come to be, we will never stop more of them from being formed, and we will never stop them from creating more victims.
@@WhichDoctor1 To me, if we accept my initial position that he wrote these authentically before he started grifting, the question becomes how did he get to the point where he can become so mercenary to use those writing as ads?
This is why I referenced "The Medium is the Message." It's not the text itself that informs about the author, but how the author is willing to use it. I agree with Zoe that the writing alone presents a reasonable complex individual, but the rhetorical usage is in direct contradiction of the messages of the text itself (this is why people are doubting that Tate wrote it himself). To me, this makes it even more damning. Not all change is for the better, and at some point Tate choose to discard his complexity to grift and abuse people. I very much doubt that he will be willing to deal with the guilt associated with his actions required for him to attempt to change for the better.
I think this a good point and interesting way of looking at it! You're right that there is also the context of *how* he is using his stories that can make a difference in how to interpret it. It could just be well written manipulation rather than unintentional vulnerability. I think that the character is based on his dad is interesting tho. Maybe it could be one of those situations of "a little bit of truth to lure you in" manipulation. But that would still mean on some level he would know that the things he is writing is what people would believe in and want to hear? To then use that piece of truth to lure vulnerable and/or at-risk guys in the opposite direction... Despicable.
Honestly, take out the parts about “proving yourself to females” and I think Andrew’s stories would make a badass gritty fantasy action show
so he needs an editor.
Broken little hard
@@kathleenwoods8416 and a lawyer, to confirm all the folktales his ghostwriter ripped off are public domain.
I love the amount of Andrew taint simps in the comments and all the creeps basically claiming you're secretly into Andrew and you just need to sleep with him to be "fixed"
Andrew Tate and his male supporters scare me, and they make me fear for any woman that encounters them.
Did he touch the "fix the bad guy" chord? It looks like you are mesmerized by the fact that he has human feelings.
It makes me worry about what she thought of criminals before making this video. Or if she thinks everyone out there who acts like a decent human being had good upbringing and he's the exception so he inevitably went on to do the bad stuff he's done. Weirdly deterministic.
"He's a really bad person, but that's not all he is."
Yeah, I find that's true of most bad people.
Very few individuals are just truly evil down to their core.
Most people who do evil acts think they're good, but are either misguided, misinformed, or deluding themselves.
If you take the time to REALLY listen to his messages it’s genuinely nice things but put in a extreme and funny way
@@adegaming3998Not funny in certain points at all.
@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883 humor is always subjective. A lot of people “mostly men” find him comedy gold.
@@adegaming3998 yes humor is subjective but that doesn't excuse how easily wrong it can go
@@balaynganiyebe how can you be the one to judge what’s “wrong and right” when every other human thinks differently? What makes you morally superior…. Prolly just your ego.
I think the two things can coexist quite easily. Great artists and writers can be abusers, and abusers aren't incapable of love either. But his writings have a consistent message, which is dominance and winning, his message about his dad's passage was full of those thoughts. He has a "might makes right" worldview, life is competition and competition is violence, and that belief system is what caused him to do all the bad things he did. It wouldn't stop him from say, loving those "on his team" or feeling emotional over the things that matter to him. But he wouldn't extend that same compassion to those he see's as "weak" or inferior either.
People are always human, evil, violent people are as complex and interesting as anyone else. But it rarely make someone good, or capable of becoming good either.
5:38 You slipping into your teacher voice; dealing with a trouble student? Absolutely made my night. 😂
No seriously guys, he can change, seriously just give him time! Honest!
Christ.
Apparently some are calling this vid a “meditation about the complexity of the human soul” what a laugh.
ever walk the streets and see a man beat an escort for not counting money fast enough ,when u see men like that daily walkin to work you will see the same entitlement in there whole demeanor and actions ...plenty of scum like that in this world you know scum when u see it if u truly have seen it.. this andrew tate guy is one of them and you never change when you are that self absorbed and hate women and only live to put people beneath you bc u want power and have money.
I mean, really, if you can't believe someone like this at *could* be a decent person, you can't really believe in prison abolition, can you?
thank you. it pisses me off when people who say they want prison reform also say "people like this deserve to rot in jail."
the urge for vengeance over the betterment of our society is so ingrained we don't even recognize it.
police state = I hope this person gets punished by [insert bad thing]
prison reform = I hope this person becomes a better person
a-yup!
@@SoulDevoured to be fair, depending on the crime I think there is room for that punitive mindset (there are some crimes like murder where you have to ask if the crime is terrible that the safety of others needs to be prioritized), although even then I do agree that pushing the mindset away from vengeance is definitely necessary. Depriving somebody of freedom is already punishment enough, you don't need cruelty to contain somebody.
I respectfully disagree. I think prison is a horrible, tortorous institution and the idea to replace it isn't that we can fix everyone to be perfect (and most people in prison aren't terrible people like this man, just v unfortunate in life. and abusers are rampant outside of prison of course!), but that all human life is sentient and no one deserves prison.
That there are other, much more effective, ways we can help both people who do harm, but even if not even if they can't change, there are much better ways to protect other people who are harmed by them.
@@llauram3650
How do you propose to deal with people who are going to be dangerous, no matter what?
Actually asking.
I am romanian and I didnt even hear about this guy until now. Had to search and found news about him mostly from the tabloid press.
I'm not surprised he lives here. We are one of the countries with the highest rate of human trafficking from Europe. We had criminal networks who exploited women and sold them in the UK, Italy and who knows in what other countries. And the government isn't doing much to solve this issue.
The bleak truth: Because most if not all goverments and those in power benefited from that.
If we’d just legalize prostitution the black market for this kind of stuff wouldn’t be so shady.
@@dukes1993724 I think you mean the red market because thats where worst shit happens. Look up the five markets and then you see why.
He wants to go to Romania to take advantage of your citizens than him arrest there and let him experience what Romanian prison is like. They’ll be too generous with him in the states
Wow. You have an Avatar Aang level of compassion. I admire it.
Watching this after he's been arrested for showing a pizza box in a video bashing Greta.
This timeline is WILD!
I think he just hired a ghostwriter
I'd be worried about people seeing this vulnerability from him and thinking they can 'fix' him, especially given those allegations.
It would be fantastic if he could spend some good time with a psychiatrist instead, although I doubt he would ever consciously acknowledge his pretty major problems.
he says Robin Williams killed himself coz he went to therapy(IT is a short summary of what he said about RObin Williams)
@@mickeyjames1663 oh yea, I heard about that. Then he bragged about startling the therapist and making them drop their pen and how much of an alpha move that was. Complete idiocy at play.
“I am one of the few people who’s written more books than they’ve read.” - Garth Merenghi, fictional author and apparently Andrew Tate’s inspiration.
“I guarantee you don’t walk around your house with a sword.”
You’re right, I don’t, because I’m not a massive tool.
how can u not realise that he's joking around with that lol? u don't see him walking the streets with a sword do u? u gullible fools r making him rich
One of my all time favourite books is "Nazi Literature in the Americas" by Roberto Bolaño is a collection of short stories about the lives of fictional fascist writers.
It's a reminder that the most horrible people in the world are still people at the end of the day. That even though they're fans of Hitler, they still mourn the loss of their children, have difficulty with growing old, and so much more.
ok , so it wasn't Roberto Gomez Bolanõs who wrote the book
@@devforfun5618 I could be wrong but I assume that “collection of short stories” means that they’re fictional stories
I like to remind myself every once in awhile that Hitler wasn't some sort of magical fountain of evil, just some guy that was profoundly broken and had other people willing to follow him, because it's very important to remember that you don't need to be special to do harm.
He didn't spawn fully grown from Satan's butt crack, and at some point he probably made silly faces in the mirror, or played games with his little school friends. And then he went on to do a World War and cause countless atrocities because it seemed like the thing to do at the time and no one was willing and able to tell him no.
@★ Lucca ★
Yup
Ooo that book sounds interesting, im very againd the "monstraficaion" of nazi's (not "oh he was a monster" but people acting like they weren't just people). Because I feel remembering they were people just like you and I is one of the most important lessons. They have human emotions just like yours and they thought they were good people just like you do. But they weren't right, but are you? And I feel that fear of being in the wrong is important. And I feel some people don't want to admit that they could be
I love this quote from the lawyer Bryan Stevenson, who represents people on death row: "We are more than the worst thing we've ever done." And that's easy to imagine in the abstract. But it takes real effort to imagine that for real people who've done real evil things. Thank you for putting in that work
People still need to be responsible for their actions, though. My granddad beat my dad. But my dad didn't beat me. People make choices.
Having empathy is not pretending that things haven't happened or aren't the way they are, it's realizing that these are people who were convinced (or convinced themselves) to act like this and may, in some eventual but unlikely future, be convinced or convince themselves to stop being toxic and create genuine, real connections to the people around them that aren't harmful.
Zoe: * watches Joker movie *
(under breath) …I could fix him.
"I too, am completely incapable of understanding character nuance on a fundamental level"
Moron!
@@Nai-qk4vpyour comment and this video have aged worse than milk
@@jcnot9712The coment might have aged poorly, and the video, although inspiring to a certain extent, might have overlooked some key points one would need to adress when talking about people like Andrew. Though, to my eyes at least, the underlying message of Zoe’s work hasn’t exactly aged like milk. On the contrary, i feel like it’s a very actual, very important question we should all take into serious consideration. And i’m not simply (not only) referring to the whole: “people can change” point. I’m talking about the question surrounding the very principles which we use to ground our moral intuitions about accountability, praise, blame and responsibility.
And among those principles, the most controversial one is that of “freedom of choice” or, well, “free will” in the superlative ontological and phenomenological sense of the terms.
Press F to pay respects to Zoe... 🙇🙇🙇
Don't you just hate it when it turns out that an objectively bad person is, like, still a person?
This is like seeing some of Hitler's paintings. I mean, everyone knows the "Hitler wanted to be an artist" thing, but have you ever actually *seen* some of his art? It's not exceptionally good, but it's not bad either? It's competent, I guess? And it's the kind of thing where you go, "gee, if he'd actually gotten into art school like he wanted, how would things have gone differently?"
Honestly, I remember when someone told me this, I immediately went "I want to build a time machine and make Hitler go to art school and become a famous artist."
Often, though certainly not always when Hitler's art is concerned (in media, a production, not a semi anonymous comment), they are very negatively or quite harsh. ...which. I am sure has to do with him being one of the worst people that ever lived, but I think that's a thing vaguely to do with trying not to see that evil can be human, that bad people got good sides. And just a quite open emotional judgement. Imagine you are a teenager and think: damn my paintings worse than Hitler. Feeling kinda discouraged now. 🤔 Should I go into politics? In applying alot of bias to the judgement of art done by terrible people, we might hold up a dangerous idea: that good art comes only from good people. That a man singing something wonderful from the depths of his soul, perhaps written before it was rotten, can't be bad. ... probably a big part of Charles Manson's appeal.
Hitler's paintings are some of the most interesting things in the world, and also really sad and frustrating too. They're very much the Idealist style paintings that art schools were looking for, not surprising for a fanatic of tradition, but hes also just..... not good at it? Like hes got a really good grasp on form, but the details are all wrong. Shadows go at weird angles and dont all match, theres a window halfway under an exterior staircase, sometimes designs extend beyond the thing they were supposed to be on. Those were the critiques that kept him out of art school. But those are also things he wouldve learned IN art school. But because of the staunch traditionalism of the Academic Art world, if you werent already good enough to be an art student, you didnt get to be one. You would've had to have been classically taught at the previous level of art school. The art system failed him, which really sucks. Especially since he burned it all to the ground, especially the modernist art movement society that probably wouldve been more kind to him had he focused on his art rather than his hate. Unfortunately, Hitler is like a lot of far right grifters, he failed at what his passion was, and instead of persevering or finding new ways to channel his passion he rode the anger and hatred right up the political ladder in front of him in a desperate hunger for recognition and a hatred for those he felt denied it to him.
If you look at like somebody like Thomas Kincaid there definitely is a very large niche that he could have filled
Obviously it’s impossible to say, but I honestly don’t think Hittler would have turned out differently. Hittler wanted to be an artist mostly because he disliked his father and his father hated the idea of his son pursuing art. He threw himself into the practice and study of art and grew somewhat proficient but he always lacked true passion for it. When he applied to art school in Vienna he’s wasn’t just outright rejected the dean/professor (I can’t remember which) took him aside and told him that he had talent but no real passion and that he would be an amazing architect. He was offered an alternative that would have allowed him to continue his art and would have been an excellent creative outlet but he never applied to the school of architecture.
I am always sorely disappointed when I find out that pick-up artists are still a going concern.
They’re a practically unkillable lineage, like ferns, or crocodilians.
@@skyclaw At the risk of putting my foot in my mouth, I understand why pick-up artists exist. Flirting is a complicated, nuanced, and multifaceted element of human behavior. It can be really frustrating to struggle with trying to meet new people romantically, especially if one happens to be introverted and/or on the spectrum.
It'd be nice if there was an emotionally honest, non-predatory alternative to pick-up artists on the internet.
yeah like once that said listen to your partner, communicate, have boundaries etc.
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It makes me feel gross to think about
When people invoke "laws of evolution" or "natural selection", glorify apex predators, and state that showing signs of pain, sadness, or whatever vulnerability is being weak, they mostly state they are mistake about how apex predators (and predators in general) generally behave in nature.
Because hiding one's weakness is mostly the behavior of preys.
Rabbits are a good example of this, as they are extremely inexpressive animals when it comes to their suffering. Being weakened makes you a priority target for predators.
(Note that those statements are fairly approximate, take them with skepticism, I am no specialist of the question)
That went differently than I expected. Quite interesting.