Pretty good illustration of just how essential Mike Bordin is to their sound. As you soon as you hear the drums you know it's FNM no matter who else is in the band.
I thougt this too,i Wanna know when exactly court met Kat because if this was before they met Courtney actually came up with the style and no one belived her bc shes Courtney
Courtney and Kat lived together for a brief period of time. She would wear Kat’s clothes and eventually started to wear them for live performances right before PHM was released. The distressed baby doll/school girl dresses is what she was referring to. I own a magazine from the mid 90s that has a snippet of Courtney explaining how the style came to be and others who also influenced her. You can also find a less detailed summary on wiki under kinderwhore style too.
OMG they sound like an evil Pixies lol They were very grunge even before actual grunge surfaced. They sound stoner also. This is great. That is proof that FNM is one of the most important bands in rock/metal history. And I dare to say they are one of the most important bands in the history of comercial music as a whole
I remember years ago, I finally found a picture of Courtney Love being apart of the band. I was excited as if I just had a UFO sighting, but know that this video finally surfaced, it’s like we just found the mothership! 😂
I had a biography of FNM which mentions Courtney being the singer briefly with them talking about her being the singer. I know not everyone shelled out for that, but it's pretty stupid calling someone a liar based on ignorance. Thank goodness the internet has ended that sort of thing and everyone is well informed and wise now!
This video also proves that it doesn't matter how many members circle in and out of Faith no More, as long as Puffy is pounding it out back there, they are the same band
I read for years that Courtney fronted this band at first but never saw footage. I couldn’t imagine her gelling with them considering how they were later. Glad for them and Hole that this footage is available finally.
@@MrBruinman86 Courtney Love is like Yoko Ono. Both are awful vocalists, both are really ugly and both murdered their talented husbands and would be absolute nobodies without them.
Honestly, FNM w/ Courney on vocals sounds so strange, too much experimental . But is a cool video as a rare and historical register of the band. And also for the high quality of the image! Thank you for share!
I like it better, to be honest. I enjoy the Killing Joke vibes. Rock-rap just isn't my thing. Suffice to say, they went in a different direction. It was a more commercially beneficial choice.
This is priceless, and while it's horrible, it's the embryonic stage of 2 great bands. Courtney was ALWAYS flat, but she could scream like no other, and perfectly in tune. This is also what she's actually like in person, when there aren't any press or music industry people around. I know, because I met her about 10 years after this was shot. FNM didn't really become good until Jim Martin and Mike Patton arrived. If this line up had continued, they would have wound up sounding more like King Crimson/Brian Eno and would have still gone somewhere. Instead they pretty much invented the whole Korn/Limp Bizkit thing. THANKS for posting this!
I should clarify, the FNM vibe and foundation is definitely present (thanks in big part to Mike Bordin) and I’m digging that, but Courtney is god awful.
Courtney's vocals are actually really suited to this kind of noisy psychedelic music in my opinion. and it's nice to see this footage of her with her "original" face before she got plastic surgery and starved herself down to nothing.. weather everyone else loves her or hates her, i think this performance of hers is really quite special in its own unique kind of way.
@@chouchoue yea, I've heard that song before. although hole's earlier music was very heavy and fuzzy, I wouldn't say it's got the same psychedelic elements as early faith no more
I can't believe this footage exists. It not only shows how post-punk and noisey was the band back then at the start but also how they sounded with Courtney. Love both FNM with Mike and Courtney.
Love it, sounds like psychedelic grunge. My partner has been a huge Faith No More/Mike Patton fan. He had no idea Courtney Love ever was in the band. Mind blown.
Historic document!!! Really weird how Cortney didn't had the chops for the band, but was intuitively tuning into the atmospheric vibe of the band... And how they didn't suck on instruments even back then! And also the flowers thing - they started doing it almost 3 decades later in 2011/2012.. Magnificent! FNM are one of the greatest rock bands ever! But ofc - none of that would have happened if they didn't hired the greatest singer on the planet!
The drummer is the one who stands out. He plays the drums very well. And I was thinking the same thing that Courtney trying to be like Siouxsie and the Banshees.
Likely Ben Fong Torres of Rolling Stone is interviewing styling 80’s mullet. This archival footage will help recall who made serious imprints in our popular culture..FNM are like they in the temple of Apollo and Love ❤️ the Oracle at Delphi.
That sounds like a band out ov tune.she can't sing very well either. It's just oh let's act weird.its all over the place. Just my opinion tho not knocking you or anything.
Imagine having Love come in as a guest singer and perform with them after she developed her vocals and style (mid 90s ). I enjoyed Love 30 yrs ago. This version of her work, I do not like so much, but damn was she driven. On the other hand, THE BAND sounds amazing! Love's vocals developed quite well going forward, and what a great piece of music history this is here. Thank you for posting this.
Only if your singer evolves and gets better. Biggest problem any band has is finding a singer. Doesn't matter if your band is amazing, a bad singer will destroy it.
hey guys...anyone got the set list for this FNM (studio?) concert? FNM were more experimental and improvisational back in the mid 80s...i really dig that FNM period!!
It's so crazy that they ever sounded like this. I mean you can hear what they eventually became in the drums, but I never would have thought that FNM were ever a heroin-y sounding post-punk band.
It's rough as hell and the band probably want this erased from history, but I kind of like it. Velvet Underground meets Siouxie and the Banshees. I can see how the folks who like where the band went might not be into this, Courtney is not a "singers singer", this is post punk it doesn't matter if it's out of key. But it works, it's interesting, it's psychedelic and sludgy. I'm glad they didn't stick with it and ended up making the amazing records with Chuck Mosely and Mike Patton instead, but this is still good in a different way. It's a hell of a lot better than what I was expecting to be honest.
Mike B.without dreadlocks, Courtney singing with Faith No More ,i saw absolutely everything.They sound bit like neo punk bands fron 80s,Siouxie & the Banshees
Right, nd that's why she actually had Francis to have plastic surgery to look more like Kurt! She's crazy. If you look at Francis pics more recent from when she was younger you can see it.
so, if Faith No More were friends with members of Metallica in the 1984-1985 time period (and earlier), does this mean Cliff Burton and Courtney Love crossed paths?
Im assuming so. There's a list of musicians that I think it would've been cool for Cliff to meet. Especially Chuck Schuldiner. I think they would've been friends.
Whoah. What did I just see? They sound pretty good! How come this is pro shot? What’s the story behind it? Has it just recently surfaced in UA-cam land? Did FNM officially release any of these songs?
"Did FNM officially release any of these songs?" Yes, two that I can tell: 7:28 became 'Mark Bowen' on the debut album 'We Care A Lot' 18:30 became 'Zombie Eaters' on their third album 'The Real Thing' There may be more, for example there's a drum and guitar riff in here that makes me think of a track from 'Introduce Yourself' but I can't work out which one.
That proto-version of pre-Mosely 'Mark Bowen' just blew my mind. I didn't expect to hear foundational stuff that eventually got used here. What great music this already was...vocals notwithstanding.
This is great! Hole's first album POTI was great, now just to find footage of Sugar Baby Doll.. I can say I love Faith No More in every incarnation now!
Somehow never heard of this band before. I see a Misfits sticker and a guy who looks like he’s dressed for the lawn at an ‘84 Grateful Dead show. I already know I’m going to like this. I can also hear why everyone is talking up the drummer.
Pretty good illustration of just how essential Mike Bordin is to their sound. As you soon as you hear the drums you know it's FNM no matter who else is in the band.
Honestly he's the only reason this even sounds remotely musical. He definitely had the most talent at this point of the FNM timeline.
He's a monster, I love his drumming
@@Jeffero28 IDK Billy and Roddy we're no slouches here...
Im convinced he hits the snare with the 2 sticks but offsets 1 by a micro second giving him a unique sound
@@armondtanz This is actually a legitimate drumming technique called "flamming." Makes everything sound bigger.
This has been a Holy Grail for FNM collectors for the past 25+ years so it’s amazing that’s it’s finally surfaced like this!
Actually I think the holy grail of FNM would be a copy of the seagull song ;)
@@simonscott1121 Yeah it’s frustrating that the whole recording of that is being withheld at the band’s request.
I've certainly mentioned it on Reddit a few times over the years. Any idea why it finally surfaced?
@@simonscott1121 Do you have it?
I don't know why Faith No More is amazing and she is 🗑.
Kat says that Courtney copied her style but you can clearly tell that Courtney's been having this aesthetic before Kat
I thougt this too,i Wanna know when exactly court met Kat because if this was before they met Courtney actually came up with the style and no one belived her bc shes Courtney
This is not the same aesthetic though
Courtney and Kat lived together for a brief period of time. She would wear Kat’s clothes and eventually started to wear them for live performances right before PHM was released. The distressed baby doll/school girl dresses is what she was referring to. I own a magazine from the mid 90s that has a snippet of Courtney explaining how the style came to be and others who also influenced her. You can also find a less detailed summary on wiki under kinderwhore style too.
been looking for this for about 26 years thanks
OMG they sound like an evil Pixies lol
They were very grunge even before actual grunge surfaced. They sound stoner also. This is great.
That is proof that FNM is one of the most important bands in rock/metal history. And I dare to say they are one of the most important bands in the history of comercial music as a whole
They definitely were a great Band With Mosely
Sound is definitely influenced by British post-punk.
I remember years ago, I finally found a picture of Courtney Love being apart of the band. I was excited as if I just had a UFO sighting, but know that this video finally surfaced, it’s like we just found the mothership! 😂
Haha 😂 I’m dead
Yep! This video finally proves it!
Not apart. She was part of the band. She's apart from the band now, but back then she was a part of it.
@@MorusAlba1975 - Well put.
:-)
Was glad she eventually became "apart" from the band
Amazing how before UA-cam back in the day when she'd reference her time with them people would say "She was never in Faith No More. She's a f'n liar."
People believe what they want to believe
@baileyboy73 baileyboy73 in Faith No More? Lol. look up people who lasted half as long and weren't a "good fit" either.
I had a biography of FNM which mentions Courtney being the singer briefly with them talking about her being the singer. I know not everyone shelled out for that, but it's pretty stupid calling someone a liar based on ignorance. Thank goodness the internet has ended that sort of thing and everyone is well informed and wise now!
Pahahaha @@benlee8436
Shes more of a murderer
I heard about her being the singer years ago and searched and searched. Thanks to whoever posted this
Me to. And found absolutely nothing until this popped up. I have the feeling they do not care for courtney.
@@geehadarillo1 Roddy Bottom remained a quite close friend with Courtney.
Back then Mike Bordin played like... Mike Bordin. Wow his style was already there.
I was going to type something very similar. He owns that style. That style was and will always be his.
You can definitely tell it's him even though he looks a bit different.
@@h.p.dominocus he look the same is just the hair
Big Paul Ferguson influences, too.
It shines through big time. It's fucking great. The rest of the band though....
This video also proves that it doesn't matter how many members circle in and out of Faith no More, as long as Puffy is pounding it out back there, they are the same band
but this blows though
@@stevenjohnson243 actually, you blow
@@stevenjohnson243 no you blow
This video proves that Mike Patton is a.force of nature
@@havenlane992 we are all forces of nature
Take it from our drummer, Puff. Being good it gets you, stuff!
Gotta say I do like this. A lot. FNM has quite a history and I welcome and embrace all of it.
Wow. Thanks for posting this. Needed to be seen.
I read for years that Courtney fronted this band at first but never saw footage. I couldn’t imagine her gelling with them considering how they were later. Glad for them and Hole that this footage is available finally.
Yeah, no doubt she wasn't on the same level musically as they were.
@@MrBruinman86 Courtney Love is like Yoko Ono. Both are awful vocalists, both are really ugly and both murdered their talented husbands and would be absolute nobodies without them.
I've been waiting for this footage for years XD
LOL when she interrupts to shout: "My Parents were hippies and I hate them" 12:17
Honestly, FNM w/ Courney on vocals sounds so strange, too much experimental . But is a cool video as a rare and historical register of the band. And also for the high quality of the image! Thank you for share!
I'm pretty sure she's just winging it lol
I like it better, to be honest. I enjoy the Killing Joke vibes. Rock-rap just isn't my thing. Suffice to say, they went in a different direction. It was a more commercially beneficial choice.
This is priceless, and while it's horrible, it's the embryonic stage of 2 great bands. Courtney was ALWAYS flat, but she could scream like no other, and perfectly in tune. This is also what she's actually like in person, when there aren't any press or music industry people around. I know, because I met her about 10 years after this was shot. FNM didn't really become good until Jim Martin and Mike Patton arrived. If this line up had continued, they would have wound up sounding more like King Crimson/Brian Eno and would have still gone somewhere. Instead they pretty much invented the whole Korn/Limp Bizkit thing. THANKS for posting this!
It's amazing how different a band can be with different lead singers. Settling on Patton was a much better move IMO.
is Courtney Love a singer???
@@Diocane81 What did you think her instrument was?
She actually was replaced by Chuck Mosley, not Patton.
Wow.....I wasn't expecting to see the interview. This is amazing footage!!!!
Thumbs up for documenting history. The limits of VHS quality on full display for the kids that don't know. This is rough 😂
If I saw this in 84 my 5 year old self would have been head over heels in love with this girl. Mike Patton was frigging gorgeous back then!
Mike Patton isn't in this
This is pure gold. I think they sounded really cool with Courtney on vocals, just different. Thanks for uploading this gem!
There’s no pretending that this is good. This is awful. I guarantee you Faith No More does not want anyone hearing this
Ok, Yoko. Lol.
I should clarify, the FNM vibe and foundation is definitely present (thanks in big part to Mike Bordin) and I’m digging that, but Courtney is god awful.
@@mattrock12 it’s ok to like different things
@@darrenzwengel7988 100%. Cheers, Darren
Reminds me of Siouxsie and The Banshees, more garage, but its there.
Yeah. Siouxsie. Agree
This is a gem!
Puts me in the mind of an Andy Warhol velvet underground party or something vibe.✌️❤️🤘
Hilarious to see how things progressed since then! Mike Bordin was there himself from the start, what a style;)
Wow. This is priceless. And awesome!
Man this is fantastic I never expected this from them kind of reminds me of the old 70s acid rock!
Right! It reminds me an early Pink Floyd with Syd Barrett. Totally different from further FNM music.
Wow we were all the same age then too... FNM grew so much-Mike Patton has my heart
Thanks! Christine&Markku
Solid drumming as always 🤘🥁❤️
Yeah but it sounds out of place with the weird, droning music.
Courtney's vocals are actually really suited to this kind of noisy psychedelic music in my opinion. and it's nice to see this footage of her with her "original" face before she got plastic surgery and starved herself down to nothing.. weather everyone else loves her or hates her, i think this performance of hers is really quite special in its own unique kind of way.
Her band did something similar with a song called Turpentine.
@@chouchoue yea, I've heard that song before. although hole's earlier music was very heavy and fuzzy, I wouldn't say it's got the same psychedelic elements as early faith no more
I can't believe this footage exists. It not only shows how post-punk and noisey was the band back then at the start but also how they sounded with Courtney. Love both FNM with Mike and Courtney.
love them more with chuck ❤
@@LaLasta how can one love FNM without loving Chuck?
And Chuck
@@mpeckmusic exactly my question!
AND CHUCK!
this is historical footage
At 18:28 you can hear "Zombie Eaters".
A part of it jim wrote the others stuff
Cool, who let this footage out?
This is wild! I had no idea they had a full set with Courtney. Reading about it sounded like she just went to a few practices haha. So cool to see.
Thank the universe that Patton joined the band.
Chuck made it the band that Patton wanted to join.
Love it, sounds like psychedelic grunge. My partner has been a huge Faith No More/Mike Patton fan. He had no idea Courtney Love ever was in the band. Mind blown.
Great drumming. I'm not surprised. I was listening to Degradation Trip again recently. What an album. Also, with the always nice Robert Trujillo.
Loving Mark Bowen's playing. Got a lovely noise rock feel.
I'd always wondered what Courtney Love singing Everly Brothers over Zombie Eaters would have sounded like
Historic document!!! Really weird how Cortney didn't had the chops for the band, but was intuitively tuning into the atmospheric vibe of the band... And how they didn't suck on instruments even back then! And also the flowers thing - they started doing it almost 3 decades later in 2011/2012.. Magnificent! FNM are one of the greatest rock bands ever! But ofc - none of that would have happened if they didn't hired the greatest singer on the planet!
This totally sucks. Sounds like everyone is off key. Courtney’s voice is just terrible.
@@val13c59 i agree so bad
@@val13c59 well they had to start somewhere in order to get noticed don't you think?
That's the whole point, you either get it, or you just don't
Chuck Mosley?
The drummer is the one who stands out. He plays the drums very well. And I was thinking the same thing that Courtney trying to be like Siouxsie and the Banshees.
Siouxsie
Beyond wild. At times more sounding along the lines of early Jane's Addiction than the FNM of later years....awesome.
Sounds like goth rock to me.
Jane's Addiction started out the same way as Psi Con
She looks really good in this.
Likely Ben Fong Torres of Rolling Stone is interviewing styling 80’s mullet. This archival footage will help recall who made serious imprints in our popular culture..FNM are like they in the temple of Apollo and Love ❤️ the Oracle at Delphi.
Before the legend Jim Martin entered the band love that dude
she left, they were happy with her, they said they liked her attitude read the interviews
End of the world music indeed, i always got that vibe
Siouxsie and the banshees meets heroin. Still sounds quite amazing. Loving it!
Well now ....siouxsie was synonymous with heroin
@@stingereasybuck6919 what do you mean? Never heard Siouxsie as a slang or a synonymous for heroine before. Just curious.
Yeah I even saw track marks on the close-up of Courtney's knee! 😲
She sounds like Siouxsie in this. Absolutely. She's utter trash now. Courtney that is. She wished she was Siouxsie. She's class. Courtney is trash.
That sounds like a band out ov tune.she can't sing very well either. It's just oh let's act weird.its all over the place. Just my opinion tho not knocking you or anything.
Hey, we all gotta start somewhere.
Wow. 7:28 Mark Bowen, the man and the song, together. Amazing.
So great
Great catch. One of my favorite Faith No More songs is Mark Bowen sung by Mike Patton.
this is incredible
Courtney is such an icon. People can talk shit about her all they want but she is an amazing musician and always had an unique style.
Yeah, people thought that she was just "the dead rock star's wife who's doing music all of a sudden". She had her own music cred going way back.
She still paid El duce to murder Kurt
I hate her annoying voice.
8:00 sounds like an early version of Mark Bowen
That's exactly what it is.
I never even heard about this. Thank you so much for this! Awesome
At 18:27 they start playing what would eventually become Zombie Eaters off The Real Thing album.
Any idea on the set list??
i was like wtf, that looks like roddy on bass and billy on keys
Amazing footage.
Imagine having Love come in as a guest singer and perform with them after she developed her vocals and style (mid 90s ). I enjoyed Love 30 yrs ago. This version of her work, I do not like so much, but damn was she driven. On the other hand, THE BAND sounds amazing! Love's vocals developed quite well going forward, and what a great piece of music history this is here. Thank you for posting this.
Wow. I always knew this was a fact. I never ever ever thought any footage existed. This is so so wild.
incredible! thanks universe ::))
Thank you
Can someone please tell me what the song at 7:30 is?! I love it so much
Mark bowen
This hopefully gives confidence to new young bands out there. You can evolve into greatness if you keep at it. Plus get the right people hàa
And with right people - like the greatest singer of all time xD
Just stay away from talentless sociopaths like Courtney Love is a good start...😉
Only if your singer evolves and gets better. Biggest problem any band has is finding a singer. Doesn't matter if your band is amazing, a bad singer will destroy it.
@@EricJamesVideo for example this one....
hey guys...anyone got the set list for this FNM (studio?) concert?
FNM were more experimental and improvisational back in the mid 80s...i really dig that FNM period!!
I love everyone in this comment section. Almost no bashing whatsoever.
It's like when Charles Manson did a song for the Beach Boys. :)
Before seeing this, I was unable to imagine this pairing...but I kinda' love it!!
It's so crazy that they ever sounded like this. I mean you can hear what they eventually became in the drums, but I never would have thought that FNM were ever a heroin-y sounding post-punk band.
It's rough as hell and the band probably want this erased from history, but I kind of like it. Velvet Underground meets Siouxie and the Banshees. I can see how the folks who like where the band went might not be into this, Courtney is not a "singers singer", this is post punk it doesn't matter if it's out of key. But it works, it's interesting, it's psychedelic and sludgy. I'm glad they didn't stick with it and ended up making the amazing records with Chuck Mosely and Mike Patton instead, but this is still good in a different way. It's a hell of a lot better than what I was expecting to be honest.
Mike B.without dreadlocks, Courtney singing with Faith No More ,i saw absolutely everything.They sound bit like neo punk bands fron 80s,Siouxie & the Banshees
Siouxsie
8:00 does anyone know what this song is called🙏🙏‼️
This is Gould stuff! I Love it!
Courtney always looked much better with her original nose.
I'm turned off by her, and yet aroused
I just love her cover of the bye bye happiness song, I'd love to see it released officially someday
Seeing how she looks before plastic surgery, she looks IDENTICAL to Francis Bean!
Right, nd that's why she actually had Francis to have plastic surgery to look more like Kurt! She's crazy. If you look at Francis pics more recent from when she was younger you can see it.
Amazing
wow i knew about it but i didn´t see any video yet. really interesting
man, looks like Faith no more and Hole are sharing the stage. Really cool footage. Best!
Does anyone know if Billy Gould is playing a Gibson Ripper?
Close - but the Ripper has a set neck; this is a bolt-on, so it's a Grabber.
Awesome. Always loved the drum and bass sound of fnm. I love how Courtney is stealing lyrics from 60s hits for some of it.
Which songs in the 60s because she sounded terrible just droning on like that
@@shable1436 somewhere between 26:00 - 27:00 she starts singing about making sure you wear a flower in your hair if you go to San Francisco
so, if Faith No More were friends with members of Metallica in the 1984-1985 time period (and earlier), does this mean Cliff Burton and Courtney Love crossed paths?
Im assuming so. There's a list of musicians that I think it would've been cool for Cliff to meet. Especially Chuck Schuldiner. I think they would've been friends.
I'd say yes. Cliff and Mike Bordin have known each other since they were 11 years old.
Whoah. What did I just see? They sound pretty good! How come this is pro shot? What’s the story behind it? Has it just recently surfaced in UA-cam land? Did FNM officially release any of these songs?
Looks like target video
"Did FNM officially release any of these songs?"
Yes, two that I can tell:
7:28 became 'Mark Bowen' on the debut album 'We Care A Lot'
18:30 became 'Zombie Eaters' on their third album 'The Real Thing'
There may be more, for example there's a drum and guitar riff in here that makes me think of a track from 'Introduce Yourself' but I can't work out which one.
In the End credits it says: San Francisco, Public Access, 1984.
Sounds a bit Banshees with Nico on vocals after she drank a bottle of Absinthe
Im getting a early pink floyd vibe from this.i like it.
This session should be remastered, and issued on vinyl...Was there a pressing of this ?
What's the song that begins at around 7:55 ??
What’s the song from 8:00 to 10:00minutes
You know, it would have been fun to see Jim Martin play in the Courtney Love version of the band
This very pre fnm , when jim and chuck join the band start for real i think
Jim would have hated her haha
10:36 is the skeleton of Mark Bowen. Faith No More is Billy Roddy and Puffy. I wish they would get a new singer and tour.
Heard about this long ago. Never saw it only heard. Strange times
That proto-version of pre-Mosely 'Mark Bowen' just blew my mind. I didn't expect to hear foundational stuff that eventually got used here. What great music this already was...vocals notwithstanding.
And the electronica.
@@adrianlee3497 I have a soft spot for the electronica ...and it's the New Wave era so...tb expected ;)
This is great! Hole's first album POTI was great, now just to find footage of Sugar Baby Doll.. I can say I love Faith No More in every incarnation now!
Sadly it seems she hadn't started screaming yet ☠️
Is this that replicant chick in Bladerunner?
You can definitely hear the drum line from Zombie Eaters at one point in there. Pretty cool.
Bassline too
100% Bassline and drums. Awesome. Edit: and keyboards too, same progression but different key.
@@SimoWill75 Incredible they had pieces of that one as early as 1984 - this is our 'Get Back' documentary!
And the strings...analog overkill on a OB-Xa
_"hey asshole, play Jump!"_
Why am i only hearing about this now
Somehow never heard of this band before. I see a Misfits sticker and a guy who looks like he’s dressed for the lawn at an ‘84 Grateful Dead show. I already know I’m going to like this. I can also hear why everyone is talking up the drummer.
Where’s the music video she references they sent to mtv? Anyone ever see it?