About Agandaur, I don’t think he needs to be changed for change’s sake. If he’s just going to be replaced with another Black Numenorean lieutenant sent by Sauron, that can barely be considered replacing him with an original character- it’s more of a glorified rename. As is, having him is a nice reference to another adaptation. That said, I could see an argument to exclude him, on the basis that including any lore created outside of either canon or the films is a problematic slippery slope- there’s a vast amount of original lore that’s been created for various adaptations, most of it contradictory and some of it very controversial.
I too would prefer if he was kept in. Seeing him as the faction leader is one of the things that got me interested in the mod in the first place. It would just be disappointing to see Angmar being lead by someone else after knowing he was the faction leader. Especially if he is going to be replaced by a Not-Agandaur who follows all the same themes.
I think making them an even more pricey recruit would be a good choice alongside the free upkeep. Gotta give/sacrifice to 'em a pile of treasures then they are bound to serve
@@spirit959ful Why do people accumulate billions they could never personally spend? Why did the Pharaohs fill their graves with treasures? It does not have to be rational to make sense
@@McHobotheBobo The pharaos were alive when they decided to fill their graves with treasures though (because they believed in an afterlife where they needed these treasures). Here they are already undead. I dont mind giving them a high recruitment cost for balance reasons but logically it doesnt really make sense to me at least.
I have a future video suggestion: an overview of the mercenary units! Some of them can't be normaly recruited and so barely get any notice. I was extremely suprised by the Saralain mercs for example and never knew they existed.
It would be good to see some element of corrupted Arnorian Dunedain outlaws in the faction. It fits with the Tolkien theme of men being easily corrupted, and speaks to the civil war that destroyed Arnor. They could be the anti-Arnor, the "true Arnor oppressed by false kings" from their perspective. I'd also like to see Ered Luin neutral with Angmar from the start - they should begin as having a purely mercantile focus until Sauron's choice pushes them into good or evil. That gives Angmar some breathing space, puts their focus on their true Dunedain enemies and fits with the theme of isolationist and greedy Dwarves.
I disagree with your opinion about the "corrupt Arnorians" due to the following: 1.) The Dunedain who founded Arnor and Gondor were all Faithful, meaning they all accepted Elendil and his descendants as leaders and kings, thus agreeing to kingship. 2.) If you were to take Rhudaur as a base for the "corrupt Dunedain", it would not work because the Dunedain there were always few and died out pretty early on in the split of Arnor. Besides you already get Temple Wards bodyguard and Hunvorn the wraith, both units Numenorean in origin (admittedly they are a unique BG and a single general, however this correspond to the fact that there were few and currently are even less of the once mighty Dunedain).
Removing Ered Luin as a starting enemy would be nuts for Dunedain players. Its already pretty damn hard to play N. Dunedain. If you allow Angmar to focus on them it'll be even worse.
Angmar is very challenging, all your nearby enemies get boosted with extra units and auto expansion and their adjacent enemies go bankrupt and just do next to nothing.
With Teutonic faction 'trees' the succession goes to the highest starred general as i recall. So Huvorn should be next since he's a 7-starred General and Scyld is only 5-starred
I have a suggestion: How about giving this faction similar possibility than Northern Dunedain in the way that once you develop this faction far enough and have played with it well enough, it stops using the prefix "remnants of" and its name will therefore be merely Angmar. Also, upon being called Angmar, it will get some benefits just like Northern Dunedain will get once they reorganize their faction into Arnor. Perhaps even more formidable units? Black Numenoreans starting to emigrate to Angmar? Something else?
Honestly getting rid of the upkeep for the barrow wights is a good idea, since Angmar currently has a very difficult early game, so giving them a strong late game if they can secure the barrows creates a novel and interesting campaign strategy where you hunker down until you can start blitzing barrows to get your super units with which you can finally turn the tide against your otherwise vastly superior opponents. From a balance perspective the Wight's reliance on defense skill to not die makes them easy to counter with arrows, so it will still take skill to use them effectively. Beyond that it would also be thematically interesting to have a faction that leans into wraiths hard would be unique and interesting, as no other faction does that and if any faction should it is Angmar.
not going to lie, I understand making your own lore for the games, and so far you've done quite well for yourselves, spectacular, in fact. That being said, I don't mind all that much that agandaur is replaced/removed with a different character, but I absolutely love the name that he has. it rolls off the tongue, and just sounds quite epic. Question, would you make a script for the fall of barad heleg in the event of sauron's demise, since the witch king would die as well. also, would you consider perhaps changing the carn dum map to include a kind of lighting effect for the barad heleg in the carn dum map? Love the faction, hell of a fight to do as the northern dunedain.
@@stefanblazic4316 It's just fan service, I'd love to see the Witch King taking on the LOTRO design upon arriving in Angmar and then giving them red robed acolytes
Right now the Angmar Faction you created is my most favoured Faction, it is such a fun and well rounded Unit roster and the twist of northmen, wildmen and orcs give it a nice identity, also it is on of the more challenging campaigns, you and the Team did an amazing Job here ;) PS: i don´t think that Angmar has Problems with Money, for me it was well balanced
also I really like the Mount Gram Wargs as an late game cavallry, since they are simply not as Op as other cavallry in the game, but still very useful and they look soooooo good
I've used hillmen to overwhelm small bands of much stronger Dunedain rangers. They have a very large unit size, meaning they can overwhelm small units that nominally have a much larger stat value. 19 defence and 11 attack isn't worth much when you're constantly getting staggered by three axes to your one sword. Wargs are a life-saver in the early game. They take a bit of micromanagement, but they can decimate enemy infantry with their ranged attacks and their charge is extremely dangerous when it hits from the rear or hits archers that are busy shooting or caught in skirmish mode. Send them into battle early to disrupt enemy formations; that way, you'll also get most of them back as units that fall first in the battle are the ones who recover from their injuries. The starting bodyguard units are excellent. You'll be relying on your faction leader and his Numenoreans to cut a swathe through all of the independent villages, and he remains your main assault unit. The barrow wights lend offensive punch, but they can be surprisingly fragile and have a small unit size. They're often best used in conjunction with your other units, leading Rhudaur's soldiers into battle as a vanguard rather than operating out on their own. They're very vulnerable to being shot by archers and need to be protected from this, but if you can get them past the enemy barrage, they're great for pushing into the middle of enemy skirmisher and archer formations and killing them quickly to stop them from firing in melee (something only the AI can do it seems, much to my annoyance). This is a good way to stop AI archers from decimating your attacking soldiers with point blank arrow or, worse, javelin fire. This is just from my experiences in the very early game. I managed to cut my way through to Deadman's Dyke, but we'll see if I can hold it and take the rest of Eriador.
That, and the alternative is to let your all enemies grow or to attack either the elves or dwarves. And none of those choices seem particularly great. Plus if you break the Dúnedain the lands of Bree are there for the taking.
In my Anduin campaign they have beaten the dwarves out of Khazad-Dum, twice... I’m in for an onslaught as Moria just invaded the Vale, Gundabad is about to die and Angmar just joined the fray in the North. Hopefully Dol Guldur will not turn their eyes on me either
@@ericmeyer5474 Its so insignificant that it probably doesn't matter. I wouldn't rush Ost Sul though. Its a bit away from your recruitment centers unless you have the large Dunedain settlements you your West under control. I had Ost Sul cleared out by turn 50, but thats because I had Imladris, Fornost, Annuminas, and Bree under my control.
I feel like when the ai has angmar they get a mix of generals of angmarim and orcs; when I tried them I only had angmarim generals to recruit. Is that normal or some way to unlock? Would love to have a hybrid nation. (Also a few more orc units to recruit...mostly just for roleplay)
Angmar is my favourite faction, but do they have to have a teutonic tree? One aspect I really enjoyed was having a non-homogeneous society of middlemen, northmen (Angmarim), numenoreans and orcs all coming together to fight under the Witch-King's banner.
Maybe for the next faction overviews also mention the adapted auto expansion for your neigbours, I noticed that the Dwarves, Dunedain and Imladris all received one extra province on top of their usual auto expansion, might be good to know for new players. (Also kuddos for V4.5, recently returned to DaC after a long break and really enjoying it)
As often stated, it is hard to compare the factions in difficulty without any other input. The difficulty highly depends on what you do. Fo example if you attack every neighbour as an "easy" faction, the campaign is going to be hard. On the contrary, if you employ some cheeky diplomacy and strategies such as rushing and bribing neutral faction into war with your enemies even the hardest faction becomes mediocre in difficulty.
Angmar is a fantastic challenge. A true must try for players seeking a challenge. About barrow wights. You can train them in Carn Dum, which makes them accessible before the barracks event. Perfect anti AP killers those wights. I had around 4-5 units pre barracks event, saved my ass from the ND and Ered Luin. Their up keep did limit their use for only dire situations, which felt like a fair game mechanic due to them being quite OP in a players hands.
Was watching Fellowship yesterday and I maintain the Nazgul would have been 87x scarier if they hadn't had one do the scream til during that bit where ones staring down the hobbits as they're drifting away on Bucklebury Ferry
I find moria to be a good ally, the vale and Mirkwood always get rofle stomped by Do Guldur and the goblins usually kick Kazdums ass and then turn all their attention on the elves and Dunadian
Cool faction, especially all those Warg riders, this would be a fun play thru to watch on your channel! A ring script for Angmar in the future would be fun as well.
I remember the darkblades from FROGS(Forgotten Realms of Middle Earth) submod. They were AP iirc and I feared them a lot with my blue mountain dwarves lol
Angmar is pretty nice now. It would be even better if you could use the ring somehow. The reason I love Isengard is that the ring is actually of importance, and they can afford to spare an army to try and get it.
I wish there was a possibility to reforge Angmar similar to how Arnor can be restored by meeting certain conditions. I feel it gets kinda weird being referred to as the remnants of Angmar as you hold vast swath of lands. It would be a cool reward that as you get the witch king back, you can be just be Angmar or the kingdom of Angmar
For the barrow Wight upkeep, my head Canon was to assume the rituals needed to raise them in the first place cost some.money. the witch-king is payed by the hour, you see
As Kurt said, a penchant. It is from the french and should be pronounced as such but sadly, as is often the case, english speakers don't bother to learn a word and they say what they see so you might have heard it said as pen-chant (with a hard t at the end).
@@knightslegion1731 I'd imagine realism. Doubt one handed axes have enough mass and power to be effective against armour, especially since they aren't blunt
@@jamieeddolls5605 I guess it would depend on the design of the axe and the armor type, but you're probably right. Either way, that level of detail isn't available in the MedII engine anyway
Whenever I play as angmar I always pretend Agandaur is a Vampire, since in the lore of middle earth its canon that Sauron had werewolves and vampires as minions. Thats how I explain him being the overlord of this northern region while not actually being a man or an orc
You can always say the barrow-weights have high upkeep because the necromantic energy needed to sustain them is costly. I'm sure it can't be cheap to have the necromancer medics.
Can generals who are not in the royal family have children? Or have you replaced Morholt beacuse I just found an Angmar general called "Haldar" who has Rhudaur Huscarls as his bodyguard.
Based on some of the bugs you have mentioned and some of the other issues that have popped up like Angmar's economy being a bit nerfed it may be worth releasing a version 4.6 that fixes the bugs and adjusts the balance of the campaign a bit. V5 should definitely be saved for some big changes like removing the barracks event. I'm still a little wary of removing the barracks event only because certain factions really rely on it for some measure of parity, particularly the wild men factions. Adjusting availability and cost may make my concerns unwarranted though.
Playing an Angmar campaign currently and it is way easier than Gondor which was also a 4. I tired the gondor campaign 4 times before I actually played a campaign that won. That gondor victory was also only possible with toggle fow, exploiting the bridge cheese as Osgiliath so you are not ever attacked there and rushing harad and selling the provinces to Khand and the AA and moving onto the next poorly defender harad city. I dont think i could ever beat the gondor campaign without cheesing or straight up cheating. Loved the campaign overview though, another superb video as per usual!!
I went and took Deadmans Dike and Imladris within the first 20 turns, to see if it was possible (it very much is) i got a message saying the Witch king was leaving Mordor, but it took atleast 15-20 turns for him to actually arive, making the difficulty of rushing both Imladris and Deadmans dike unrewarding, as you wouldn't be able to use his insane body guard to press your advantage early game. Just a note.
No idea if you guys changed it for V4, but Hummingbird said that the Landsmenn (or "Warriors", as they used to be called) were only AP with their missiles in the comments of the V3 overview.
Arachîr ! Today I downloaded the file Copyright Free Music from ,, Divide & Conquer - Dol Amroth: 06, Why is the [Rams] Gone? '' Would you be kind and told me what program can I open the DAT file?
I completely understand what you said bout’ your own fan fiction and I really like that because it is another personification of Middle-earth. Also I think that replacing him with someone else makes sense, for he is present in war in the north as you said and it would be really cool to have another custom character in the game. I really appreciate your work on DaC and I hope you will keep it up for few more years. I would also like to ask you for Woodland realm overview, because you mentioned something about their units choises in some previous overview and I am not really sure what that is from looking at their roster in the game. Thank you again for your work and have a nice day!
I played angmar on version 2.2 and I just started a new campaign with them on 4.5. Back then I found the campaign rlly difficult till the barracks event. And right now on version 4.5 the start of the campaign is again a big challenge. Bankrupt which means I have to spare my troops the best I can and also making smart choices to where to move. Northern dunedain is also rlly hard but at least you have great archers that do a lot for you. With angmar by best tactic is having basically 1 army only and use my generals the best I can to try to outclass the enemy and to get free units cause they replenish. Get some wargs to hunt down the enemy and to charge and run away. But this is what makes the game fun, to have a challenge. Factions such as the high elves make the campaign extremely easy and therefore not that enjoyable. Your archers simply destroy the enemy. Even bankrupt it s not that bad with elves.
Personally, I think Angmar would be more enjoyable if they got an Nazgûl general. I like the idea of this human nation that fields one of the Nine, being terrified but fighting on the same side.
You could justify the high upkeep of the Barrow-wights as the cost of the materials that fuel the magic that maintains them. Say that without these magicks hey would either crumble to dust or would turn against you. Not sure how lore friendly that explanation would be but, as you said, DaC kinda build its own lore now.
Hello Arachîr. I was wondering if you could tell me where/how to install this mod? I have the old 3.2 mod installed. Wonder if you can just install this mod over it or is anything else needed? Thanks in advance
Shouldn't Edoras have barrows too? Like, these would obviously not be Numenorean but if the Angmarim can possess and raise the Numenoreans' corpses which they didn't already get during the war against Arnor, then surely they can also raise the former kings of Rohan, right?
Hey guys, I hope you can help me: I have downloaded this mod. Unfortunately, every time I try to start the game, there is the message: ERROR: Cannot find the M2TW or Kingdoms executable. You probably installed (your mod name here) into the wrong folder... Could please someone tell me what i cam try to fix this? Sorry for my English, it is not my mother language...
Have you watched Galu's video about how to install the game (4.5) ? Usually the install path can be tricky if you're not attentive, plus there are a few steps not to miss. Link here: ua-cam.com/video/jFcVSROpnXI/v-deo.html
About the Barrow-wight upkeep, I think them being upkeep free is cool, BUT, from a realism perspective, maybe the rest of your army doesnt really like camping with barrow-wights (because who would), so to offset the game breakyness maybe having them in your army (whilst being 0 upkeep themselves) it increases the upkeep of other units by 5-10%? Units that are frightened/who dislike camping with their neighboors are probably less productive or efficient, making the whole camp run more sluggishly and therefore increasing upkeep costs.
Arachîr, it's very obvious how passionate you are in making these videos, but pleeeeeeeaaaaase write a script before filming. Doesn't even have to be a long detailed script, just some notes to check now and then would be enough. Either way, keep it up mate.
10:15 I don't think the AI is beholden to the same rules as the player. As Gondor, I was attacked by Dol Amroth while we were still allied, and Zardar Total War was as well.
Are these difficulty ratings based on normal battle and campaign difficulties? or are they based on the hardest difficulty settings (the settings you can change when you start a campaign)
zero upkeep on barrow wrights would also, mildly help early game economy since you get two units of them at game start... which in my opinion, which is of QUESTIONABLE VALUE, is a good thing considering I have no clue HOW to play Angmar's early game without doing this thing called dying of boredom... or going bankrupt, but having fun. Accidental early game eco nerf hit them rather hard... not that losing upkeep on two units is gonna help much, but as far as I'm concerned two less units to pay for might as well be a solid gold and gemstone covered chest full of gold, gemstones, and other things of value. in fact, that change with the argument you made makes SO MUCH sense I just might go an make a small edit in me game's files.
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About Agandaur, I don’t think he needs to be changed for change’s sake. If he’s just going to be replaced with another Black Numenorean lieutenant sent by Sauron, that can barely be considered replacing him with an original character- it’s more of a glorified rename. As is, having him is a nice reference to another adaptation.
That said, I could see an argument to exclude him, on the basis that including any lore created outside of either canon or the films is a problematic slippery slope- there’s a vast amount of original lore that’s been created for various adaptations, most of it contradictory and some of it very controversial.
I think he should be left alone, I personally like having him as I loved WITN
If you include fiction, might aswell include a well written one based on a game.
I too would prefer if he was kept in. Seeing him as the faction leader is one of the things that got me interested in the mod in the first place. It would just be disappointing to see Angmar being lead by someone else after knowing he was the faction leader. Especially if he is going to be replaced by a Not-Agandaur who follows all the same themes.
I agree. Agandaur is a great name. He already has a large fanbase with familiarity, so why you need to change into something totally random?
Agandaur has established lore.
This guy added some Numenorean nockoff no one ever heard of. He'd be better off as a diplomat for Angmar.
"I'm quite bored atm"
"MAE GOVANNEN MELLONIN!"
"Not bored anymore"
Thanks Galu :P
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41:30 Free Barrow-wight upkeep? I'll take it. Anything that makes Angmar cheaper is fantastic.
I think making them an even more pricey recruit would be a good choice alongside the free upkeep. Gotta give/sacrifice to 'em a pile of treasures then they are bound to serve
@@McHobotheBobo doesnt make much sense though. If you dont sleep, eat, feel pleasure what do you do with a pile of gold?
@@spirit959ful Why do people accumulate billions they could never personally spend? Why did the Pharaohs fill their graves with treasures? It does not have to be rational to make sense
@@McHobotheBobo The pharaos were alive when they decided to fill their graves with treasures though (because they believed in an afterlife where they needed these treasures). Here they are already undead. I dont mind giving them a high recruitment cost for balance reasons but logically it doesnt really make sense to me at least.
It's not to hire them, it's to pay their conjurers, be it the materials or just that the summoners don't work cheap.
Ah, this is what I was waiting for.
I have a future video suggestion: an overview of the mercenary units! Some of them can't be normaly recruited and so barely get any notice. I was extremely suprised by the Saralain mercs for example and never knew they existed.
It would be good to see some element of corrupted Arnorian Dunedain outlaws in the faction. It fits with the Tolkien theme of men being easily corrupted, and speaks to the civil war that destroyed Arnor. They could be the anti-Arnor, the "true Arnor oppressed by false kings" from their perspective.
I'd also like to see Ered Luin neutral with Angmar from the start - they should begin as having a purely mercantile focus until Sauron's choice pushes them into good or evil. That gives Angmar some breathing space, puts their focus on their true Dunedain enemies and fits with the theme of isolationist and greedy Dwarves.
I disagree with your opinion about the "corrupt Arnorians" due to the following:
1.) The Dunedain who founded Arnor and Gondor were all Faithful, meaning they all accepted Elendil and his descendants as leaders and kings, thus agreeing to kingship.
2.) If you were to take Rhudaur as a base for the "corrupt Dunedain", it would not work because the Dunedain there were always few and died out pretty early on in the split of Arnor.
Besides you already get Temple Wards bodyguard and Hunvorn the wraith, both units Numenorean in origin (admittedly they are a unique BG and a single general, however this correspond to the fact that there were few and currently are even less of the once mighty Dunedain).
Removing Ered Luin as a starting enemy would be nuts for Dunedain players. Its already pretty damn hard to play N. Dunedain. If you allow Angmar to focus on them it'll be even worse.
@@Petter1900 perhaps have them as an enemy of angmar only if you are playing as ND... And have them neutral if you are angmar
I’d be bummed if you removed agandaur. Feels like an unnecessary change.
The Northern Evil factions are probably the most difficult to play as
Gundabads very easy maureder chieftain ghurzog and i killed the sons of the fallen of dain he wrecked them so idk what your saying
Vale of Anduin would like a word.
You are all wrong the hardest campaign is Ered Luin because it is so boring
Angmar is very challenging, all your nearby enemies get boosted with extra units and auto expansion and their adjacent enemies go bankrupt and just do next to nothing.
@@HereticsRight ok i will di a video on how i wrecked beorn with ghurzog and mazog not TOGETHER
BY THE BLOOD OF ARNOR ! It is here :D
With Teutonic faction 'trees' the succession goes to the highest starred general as i recall. So Huvorn should be next since he's a 7-starred General and Scyld is only 5-starred
Not sure what happens on two 10-starred generals though. i cant remember if the game dice-rolls or it uses the next category (Respect/Dread) to choose
With Dwarves, Dunedain and Elves all around Angmar it's a miracle Angmar had a empire to begin with.
The name is Rogash fir the troll general, Morgomir for the lieutenant :)
Dont forgot Hwaldar!
I have a suggestion: How about giving this faction similar possibility than Northern Dunedain in the way that once you develop this faction far enough and have played with it well enough, it stops using the prefix "remnants of" and its name will therefore be merely Angmar. Also, upon being called Angmar, it will get some benefits just like Northern Dunedain will get once they reorganize their faction into Arnor. Perhaps even more formidable units? Black Numenoreans starting to emigrate to Angmar? Something else?
Honestly getting rid of the upkeep for the barrow wights is a good idea, since Angmar currently has a very difficult early game, so giving them a strong late game if they can secure the barrows creates a novel and interesting campaign strategy where you hunker down until you can start blitzing barrows to get your super units with which you can finally turn the tide against your otherwise vastly superior opponents. From a balance perspective the Wight's reliance on defense skill to not die makes them easy to counter with arrows, so it will still take skill to use them effectively.
Beyond that it would also be thematically interesting to have a faction that leans into wraiths hard would be unique and interesting, as no other faction does that and if any faction should it is Angmar.
not going to lie, I understand making your own lore for the games, and so far you've done quite well for yourselves, spectacular, in fact. That being said, I don't mind all that much that agandaur is replaced/removed with a different character, but I absolutely love the name that he has. it rolls off the tongue, and just sounds quite epic. Question, would you make a script for the fall of barad heleg in the event of sauron's demise, since the witch king would die as well. also, would you consider perhaps changing the carn dum map to include a kind of lighting effect for the barad heleg in the carn dum map?
Love the faction, hell of a fight to do as the northern dunedain.
put this in the dac discord suggestions
I really like having him in the game as a general
Agandaur is not lore friendly mate,he is just in the lotr war in the north game
@@stefanblazic4316 It's just fan service, I'd love to see the Witch King taking on the LOTRO design upon arriving in Angmar and then giving them red robed acolytes
@@stefanblazic4316 anything they could replace him with wouldn't be any more lore friendly than he was.
Right now the Angmar Faction you created is my most favoured Faction, it is such a fun and well rounded Unit roster and the twist of northmen, wildmen and orcs give it a nice identity, also it is on of the more challenging campaigns, you and the Team did an amazing Job here ;) PS: i don´t think that Angmar has Problems with Money, for me it was well balanced
also I really like the Mount Gram Wargs as an late game cavallry, since they are simply not as Op as other cavallry in the game, but still very useful and they look soooooo good
I've used hillmen to overwhelm small bands of much stronger Dunedain rangers. They have a very large unit size, meaning they can overwhelm small units that nominally have a much larger stat value. 19 defence and 11 attack isn't worth much when you're constantly getting staggered by three axes to your one sword.
Wargs are a life-saver in the early game. They take a bit of micromanagement, but they can decimate enemy infantry with their ranged attacks and their charge is extremely dangerous when it hits from the rear or hits archers that are busy shooting or caught in skirmish mode. Send them into battle early to disrupt enemy formations; that way, you'll also get most of them back as units that fall first in the battle are the ones who recover from their injuries.
The starting bodyguard units are excellent. You'll be relying on your faction leader and his Numenoreans to cut a swathe through all of the independent villages, and he remains your main assault unit. The barrow wights lend offensive punch, but they can be surprisingly fragile and have a small unit size. They're often best used in conjunction with your other units, leading Rhudaur's soldiers into battle as a vanguard rather than operating out on their own. They're very vulnerable to being shot by archers and need to be protected from this, but if you can get them past the enemy barrage, they're great for pushing into the middle of enemy skirmisher and archer formations and killing them quickly to stop them from firing in melee (something only the AI can do it seems, much to my annoyance). This is a good way to stop AI archers from decimating your attacking soldiers with point blank arrow or, worse, javelin fire.
This is just from my experiences in the very early game. I managed to cut my way through to Deadman's Dyke, but we'll see if I can hold it and take the rest of Eriador.
when angmar was an orc focused faction, thats when they were a 5 difficulty
Is there a possibility that with the return of the witch-king also a plague spawns in Eriador? Or would it be too script heavy then
This is a great idea
Its probably advisable to kill or weaken the Dunedain first. They are probably the most aggressive of your enemies.
That, and the alternative is to let your all enemies grow or to attack either the elves or dwarves. And none of those choices seem particularly great. Plus if you break the Dúnedain the lands of Bree are there for the taking.
Moria also seems to die more often this patch. I had to bail them out in my angmar campaign
In my Anduin campaign they have beaten the dwarves out of Khazad-Dum, twice... I’m in for an onslaught as Moria just invaded the Vale, Gundabad is about to die and Angmar just joined the fray in the North. Hopefully Dol Guldur will not turn their eyes on me either
@Dio Shin Is it a good/viable strategie to conquer Amon Sul and the Fort so you can use the Tatics of the ND against themselves?
@@ericmeyer5474 Its so insignificant that it probably doesn't matter. I wouldn't rush Ost Sul though. Its a bit away from your recruitment centers unless you have the large Dunedain settlements you your West under control. I had Ost Sul cleared out by turn 50, but thats because I had Imladris, Fornost, Annuminas, and Bree under my control.
I feel like when the ai has angmar they get a mix of generals of angmarim and orcs; when I tried them I only had angmarim generals to recruit. Is that normal or some way to unlock? Would love to have a hybrid nation. (Also a few more orc units to recruit...mostly just for roleplay)
Angmar is my favourite faction, but do they have to have a teutonic tree?
One aspect I really enjoyed was having a non-homogeneous society of middlemen, northmen (Angmarim), numenoreans and orcs all coming together to fight under the Witch-King's banner.
"Filthy barackses" - Gollum, probably
Maybe for the next faction overviews also mention the adapted auto expansion for your neigbours, I noticed that the Dwarves, Dunedain and Imladris all received one extra province on top of their usual auto expansion, might be good to know for new players. (Also kuddos for V4.5, recently returned to DaC after a long break and really enjoying it)
so if angmar is 4 , which faction is the more hard on dac? and then north dunedain and high elf get one auto settlement more...
As often stated, it is hard to compare the factions in difficulty without any other input. The difficulty highly depends on what you do. Fo example if you attack every neighbour as an "easy" faction, the campaign is going to be hard. On the contrary, if you employ some cheeky diplomacy and strategies such as rushing and bribing neutral faction into war with your enemies even the hardest faction becomes mediocre in difficulty.
@David E. what is DA
@David E. I think Vale of Anduin might be a 5 too
@@Kvothe1994 dol amroth?
War of the Iron Crown is one name for the Fall of Arnor I've heard recently if that helps.
Mount Gram is one of those weird custom settlements that give the attacker advantage over the defender.
Angmar is a fantastic challenge. A true must try for players seeking a challenge.
About barrow wights. You can train them in Carn Dum, which makes them accessible before the barracks event. Perfect anti AP killers those wights. I had around 4-5 units pre barracks event, saved my ass from the ND and Ered Luin. Their up keep did limit their use for only dire situations, which felt like a fair game mechanic due to them being quite OP in a players hands.
"Old fool" - or in modern English, "ok boomer"
0:30 And then Gandalf bitchslapped him off his high horse, if memory serves. Kinda undercuts the awesome boast if you ask me.
I guess theres a reason why galu stopped reading where he did
Nah actually it's just the moment when the horns of Rohirrim sound. The book then says
"He left the gate and vanished"
@@martinlopezhowe Damn, must have misremembered it, thanks for the correction.
Was watching Fellowship yesterday and I maintain the Nazgul would have been 87x scarier if they hadn't had one do the scream til during that bit where ones staring down the hobbits as they're drifting away on Bucklebury Ferry
Best thing about sundays now a new faction video keep up the good work
Wish Angmar could get a couple choice orc units if they do decide to betray Gundabad.
I find moria to be a good ally, the vale and Mirkwood always get rofle stomped by Do Guldur and the goblins usually kick Kazdums ass and then turn all their attention on the elves and Dunadian
What do you mean by "force move your population" to Morva Tarth?
@transylvanian yeah I wasn't sure if DaC had actually added that mechanic where you disband troops to increase pop or not
I got pretty excited for moment when I heard that; thinking the rtw mechanic was added in... then tested in my campaign.. no luck
Cool faction, especially all those Warg riders, this would be a fun play thru to watch on your channel! A ring script for Angmar in the future would be fun as well.
I wish there could be a custom battle map for fights that take place on a tile containing a watch tower
*hears about Agandaur*
Alright, I supposr we will never get Tharzog and Wulfrun then...
Too bad; would be great to have them...
I remember the darkblades from FROGS(Forgotten Realms of Middle Earth) submod. They were AP iirc and I feared them a lot with my blue mountain dwarves lol
Angmar is pretty nice now. It would be even better if you could use the ring somehow. The reason I love Isengard is that the ring is actually of importance, and they can afford to spare an army to try and get it.
I love that scene of the witch king's sword surrounded by flames from the extended edition! the words in the book are so vivid i can picture it!
I’d love to see the Hill Trolls get a bit of love in this faction. A troll pike unit that is stupid slow. And lower hit points than regular trolls
I wish there was a possibility to reforge Angmar similar to how Arnor can be restored by meeting certain conditions. I feel it gets kinda weird being referred to as the remnants of Angmar as you hold vast swath of lands. It would be a cool reward that as you get the witch king back, you can be just be Angmar or the kingdom of Angmar
Domain of Angmar is a cooler name than kingdom of Angmar.
Rogash is the Troll and Karth is the Wraith.
Catch Rogash!!!
For the barrow Wight upkeep, my head Canon was to assume the rituals needed to raise them in the first place cost some.money. the witch-king is payed by the hour, you see
I love how buildings are either from Spellforce or whatever that game was or Rome Total War lol
I enjoy Angmar on the shattered alliance campaign. Eriador gets really chaotic and you are in the corner to play the opportunist
I like the human idea of Angmar rather than a horde of a bazillion trillion billion million orcs.
I do miss the elite orks of agmar they looked epic
A what for armor??
33:54
Pawnshawn
Penchant meaning like a tendency for something
As Kurt said, a penchant. It is from the french and should be pronounced as such but sadly, as is often the case, english speakers don't bother to learn a word and they say what they see so you might have heard it said as pen-chant (with a hard t at the end).
Should the hillmen be AP since they have an axe?
No upkeep for wights makes total sense.
@@solreviewsf2x do you know if that is a realism choice or a game-balance choice?
@@knightslegion1731 I'd imagine realism. Doubt one handed axes have enough mass and power to be effective against armour, especially since they aren't blunt
@@jamieeddolls5605 I guess it would depend on the design of the axe and the armor type, but you're probably right. Either way, that level of detail isn't available in the MedII engine anyway
The Firebeard Warriors are duel wielding axe unit and have ap.
"cries in Rogash the Troll Chief"
*cries in morgomir, lieutenant of carn dum*
*cries in Hwaldar, chief of the hillmen*
Why not do what Dorwinion did? The human or elf option choice, but for Angmar a human or orc choice for emphasis
Can you find a way to make Wargs alittle bit less squishy?
Will a submod be added that let's you keep Agandaur as the Angmar faction leader?
Whenever I play as angmar I always pretend Agandaur is a Vampire, since in the lore of middle earth its canon that Sauron had werewolves and vampires as minions. Thats how I explain him being the overlord of this northern region while not actually being a man or an orc
Vampires are big bats in the Silmarrillon, they are not actual human vampires
@@Yo-er6no dang beat me to it
You can always say the barrow-weights have high upkeep because the necromantic energy needed to sustain them is costly. I'm sure it can't be cheap to have the necromancer medics.
Is the difficulty rating based on the campaign and battle difficulties being set to very hard each?
at 17:37 you talk about force moving population? How do you do that?
I think Galu meant to use console command to subtract like 1k pop from carn dum and add them somewhere else.
Any news for the Beacon of Hope system ?
48:02 If *you* too have been kicked around by our own trolls, call 1-800-FCKTHISSHT
Can generals who are not in the royal family have children? Or have you replaced Morholt beacuse I just found an Angmar general called "Haldar" who has Rhudaur Huscarls as his bodyguard.
Based on some of the bugs you have mentioned and some of the other issues that have popped up like Angmar's economy being a bit nerfed it may be worth releasing a version 4.6 that fixes the bugs and adjusts the balance of the campaign a bit. V5 should definitely be saved for some big changes like removing the barracks event.
I'm still a little wary of removing the barracks event only because certain factions really rely on it for some measure of parity, particularly the wild men factions. Adjusting availability and cost may make my concerns unwarranted though.
Playing an Angmar campaign currently and it is way easier than Gondor which was also a 4.
I tired the gondor campaign 4 times before I actually played a campaign that won. That gondor victory was also only possible with toggle fow, exploiting the bridge cheese as Osgiliath so you are not ever attacked there and rushing harad and selling the provinces to Khand and the AA and moving onto the next poorly defender harad city. I dont think i could ever beat the gondor campaign without cheesing or straight up cheating.
Loved the campaign overview though, another superb video as per usual!!
I went and took Deadmans Dike and Imladris within the first 20 turns, to see if it was possible (it very much is) i got a message saying the Witch king was leaving Mordor, but it took atleast 15-20 turns for him to actually arive, making the difficulty of rushing both Imladris and Deadmans dike unrewarding, as you wouldn't be able to use his insane body guard to press your advantage early game. Just a note.
That is intended.
Very well, good to know!
I think in version 4 Barrow wights are free upkeep. I haven't played Angmar in 4.5 yet so I am not sure if it's been changed for this version.
I have not finished the video so I do not know who it is going to be next, but I hope it is Enedwaith.
Gundabad y r welcome
@@rafachwaa6981 Thanks
No idea if you guys changed it for V4, but Hummingbird said that the Landsmenn (or "Warriors", as they used to be called) were only AP with their missiles in the comments of the V3 overview.
Arachîr ! Today I downloaded the file Copyright Free Music from ,, Divide & Conquer - Dol Amroth: 06, Why is the [Rams] Gone? '' Would you be kind and told me what program can I open the DAT file?
Dumb question, you said force move population, how do you even do that?
I completely understand what you said bout’ your own fan fiction and I really like that because it is another personification of Middle-earth. Also I think that replacing him with someone else makes sense, for he is present in war in the north as you said and it would be really cool to have another custom character in the game. I really appreciate your work on DaC and I hope you will keep it up for few more years. I would also like to ask you for Woodland realm overview, because you mentioned something about their units choises in some previous overview and I am not really sure what that is from looking at their roster in the game. Thank you again for your work and have a nice day!
I played angmar on version 2.2 and I just started a new campaign with them on 4.5. Back then I found the campaign rlly difficult till the barracks event. And right now on version 4.5 the start of the campaign is again a big challenge. Bankrupt which means I have to spare my troops the best I can and also making smart choices to where to move. Northern dunedain is also rlly hard but at least you have great archers that do a lot for you. With angmar by best tactic is having basically 1 army only and use my generals the best I can to try to outclass the enemy and to get free units cause they replenish. Get some wargs to hunt down the enemy and to charge and run away. But this is what makes the game fun, to have a challenge. Factions such as the high elves make the campaign extremely easy and therefore not that enjoyable. Your archers simply destroy the enemy. Even bankrupt it s not that bad with elves.
Really wish there was at least one Angmar dedicated orc elite that’s exclusive to them
Elves don't leave you alone...you get 25 turns before they attack. But...Dwarves can go evil so...
Personally, I think Angmar would be more enjoyable if they got an Nazgûl general. I like the idea of this human nation that fields one of the Nine, being terrified but fighting on the same side.
That's their script like he said. If you take and hold Fornost and Imladris and hold Carn Dum you get the witch king
With how the iron crown warriors look I thought Angmar was a northmen/orc/dunadain hybrid
Atleast when I played them
Nice
You could justify the high upkeep of the Barrow-wights as the cost of the materials that fuel the magic that maintains them. Say that without these magicks hey would either crumble to dust or would turn against you.
Not sure how lore friendly that explanation would be but, as you said, DaC kinda build its own lore now.
Probably my favorite faction in this mod. Lot of good ones though.
Definately part of the charm
Cant you add or like replace hunvorn with morgomir ismt he also a wraith
Hello Arachîr. I was wondering if you could tell me where/how to install this mod? I have the old 3.2 mod installed. Wonder if you can just install this mod over it or is anything else needed?
Thanks in advance
Shouldn't Edoras have barrows too?
Like, these would obviously not be Numenorean but if the Angmarim can possess and raise the Numenoreans' corpses which they didn't already get during the war against Arnor, then surely they can also raise the former kings of Rohan, right?
Hey guys, I hope you can help me:
I have downloaded this mod. Unfortunately, every time I try to start the game, there is the message: ERROR: Cannot find the M2TW or Kingdoms executable. You probably installed (your mod name here) into the wrong folder...
Could please someone tell me what i cam try to fix this? Sorry for my English, it is not my mother language...
Have you watched Galu's video about how to install the game (4.5) ? Usually the install path can be tricky if you're not attentive, plus there are a few steps not to miss.
Link here:
ua-cam.com/video/jFcVSROpnXI/v-deo.html
About the Barrow-wight upkeep, I think them being upkeep free is cool, BUT, from a realism perspective, maybe the rest of your army doesnt really like camping with barrow-wights (because who would), so to offset the game breakyness maybe having them in your army (whilst being 0 upkeep themselves) it increases the upkeep of other units by 5-10%? Units that are frightened/who dislike camping with their neighboors are probably less productive or efficient, making the whole camp run more sluggishly and therefore increasing upkeep costs.
How does the high elves auto expansion work (I.e. what settlements do they get when playing as different factions)
They used to get Cameth Brin to the North of Imladris and Annon.....something to the south.
might aswell give them a faction leader that can use the one ring, another faction besides isengard and mordor that can do something cool with it:)
Balrog leader able to use the One Ring for Moria next?
18:30 All of them could be sacrificed in some dark ancient ritual.
I think I speak for the entire community when I say please don't change Agandaur!
Arachîr, it's very obvious how passionate you are in making these videos, but pleeeeeeeaaaaase write a script before filming. Doesn't even have to be a long detailed script, just some notes to check now and then would be enough. Either way, keep it up mate.
Any changes from version 3?
Morgomir is the one who made karsh and rogash is the troll in bfme :P
You mentioned somewhere a forced population movement. How does that work??
Wait a minute... 44:23 Darkblades don't have upkeep?
No unit has an upkeep in custom battle
@@jamaly77 Oh right! I am so blind
20:34
Very hard takes you to a 8 out of 5.
10:15 I don't think the AI is beholden to the same rules as the player. As Gondor, I was attacked by Dol Amroth while we were still allied, and Zardar Total War was as well.
He is wrong on that one, yes.
Are these difficulty ratings based on normal battle and campaign difficulties? or are they based on the hardest difficulty settings (the settings you can change when you start a campaign)
Always VH/ VH
@ Awesome then i agree with the rating:)
zero upkeep on barrow wrights would also, mildly help early game economy since you get two units of them at game start...
which in my opinion, which is of QUESTIONABLE VALUE, is a good thing considering I have no clue HOW to play Angmar's early game without doing this thing called dying of boredom...
or going bankrupt, but having fun. Accidental early game eco nerf hit them rather hard... not that losing upkeep on two units is gonna help much, but as far as I'm concerned two less units to pay for might as well be a solid gold and gemstone covered chest full of gold, gemstones, and other things of value.
in fact, that change with the argument you made makes SO MUCH sense I just might go an make a small edit in me game's files.
I usually don't comment to correct you on anything, but this time I have to intervene: You can never, NEVER play too much Skyrim! Vokul Fen Mah!
Force-move your population? Would be handy if that would be possible...
17:36
add_population "Carn-dum" -1000
add_population "Morva Tarth" 1000
population reassignment. Half cheating. :P
@ Interesting this is....
I wish it was population mechanics like rtw loved that aspect of the game