As a fan of multiple groups, I've seen that sometimes, members that are usually called filler have a different role in the group outside of the music & performance aspect (ex. main visual of the group, variety personality, popular member that brings in fans, etc.). I can see where Kpop fans outside of a certain fandom can see these members as filler, but there are not that many filler members in actuality. In the current music climate, most companies can't afford having too many members that don't serve a purpose to the group in one way or another.
Ohh for sure, like I said at the start, there is always a reason for debuting idols from the companies perspective. I mean why would they waste money debuting a filler. Plus my criteria of determing a filler members is way different from how the kpop industry will look at finding roles for certain members like the examples you gave above which could have been applied to some of the "filler members" that I named but those weren't criterias that I was looking at. Defs a great point though.
Yea, it's really any large groups and you're guaranteed to have a filler member from the way I criteria it. However, I don't take into consideration the fact that the kpop industry takes way many other things into consideration which those "filler members" might provide - visual, variety
@@twofacedmiku But all Loona members can dance and sing. The solos proved that everyone can sing. But Yeah giving 12 members fair lines is pretty hard. Vivi who can definetly sing only gets like one line, but she can sing.
Yea, kinda like I said in the video. Filler doesn't necessarily mean useless. It just might mean they're under utilised too or kinda exist because they get overshadowed.
i agree when you say some filler members are underutilized. filler members aren’t always people that are unskilled or "do nothing" they’re kind of just there.
Ohh for sure, plus with my video specifically, I omit certain factors that the kpop industry prioritizes too. So it's like depending on who the person, we may all just kinda see things differently
The thing about big groups, is that if you don't make sure to rotate your songs so they fit the different members, someone is going to be left in the dust, and you won't know the amount of potential they have, since you don't give them the attention they need. That's why when dealing with big groups, you should properly look into fitting sub-units into it.
Yea, I was gonna say, if you gotta rotate the songs or concept drastically then maybe you should just have had them debut two different groups. But sub-units also work too for sure.
@cloudchungxiao I don't actually think the rotation has to be that drastic. Like some people are best at R&B other pop and some balleds. If you as a company make sure that there's a producer or vocal coach that pays attention to each member, they should be able to find each members strength and weaknesses, and therefore it should be easier for them to "rotate" the members from song to song. Like look at BTS, they started out being a rap focused group, yet over time they have become very vocal focused, but that doesn't mean they don't pit out any rap focused songs anymore. Rotationing isn't that difficult as long as you pay attention to all the members within a group even after they have debuted, since plenty of idols gets better or evolves more after their debut.
Ohh yea I see what you mean. I think that might even come through within each mini album in which they can slightly change about the genres a little to suit each member in some way too. Plus sometimes it does come with just evolving as a group too which makes them change the way they convey themselves too.
@cloudchungxiao Yeah, it just seems like most companies are too scared of bringing it over to the title tracks or to change up the groups original lineups. Like if one member usually gets the most lines or has the main or lead position, they usually will continue to, even if the other members catch up or, in some cases, gets better than the other members, even if another member is better suited for a specific type of music So I guess that's what I really want companies to start doing better, because when you do that, the members are less likely to get the "filler" position, and it will help all of them getting a career outside their groups.
Yea, it's one of those things where they don't wanna fix what's not broken. Changing the line up would be weird though unless you're refering to sub-units.
@@cloudchungxiaoshe’s my bias but tbh she’s like the most forgettable member of Kep1er Some People when mention every Kep1er members potential, they don’t even know what to talk about Yesseo and especially Mashiro
Omg though, literally that though. Plus the way that Iz*one would give her and hitomi either the same lines or side by side lines because of their higher tones. Like apparently it was alright during PD48, but during iz*one it seemed like the thing that hindered her from being able to vocally showcase herself. But yea, Nako was defs a good option to. The third vocalist for me really was going to be Chaewon, Nako or Yujin.
Not sure about technique and all that but I do remember her being recognised for her vocal abilities. Obviously doesn't mean it can apply to all songs but that's still something though to have
these "filler members" are mostly decided through your opinion, skill wise. But let's be real, being an idol isn't just about singing, dancing, and rapping. Some members are there simply because of their center quality or because they can attract stans. They can always improve in the long run.
I would put Tzuyu from Twice here. When she debuted she wasn’t a good singer or dancer compared to the other girls. You can tell how hard she’s worked and has improved drastically!
Ohh for sure, I mean it is my channel and so it's just me kinda sharing my opinions hahaha which hopefully everyone is aware that it doesn't mean that what I say is fact. Defs did omit other factors that the industry defs look at like visual and variety-esque members too. Plus you actually bring up a good point which I knew but didn't really think about in terms of them improving in the long run. I mean another perfect example would be Shuhua. If I was a youtube in 2018-2021, she would have made the list if I found another filler member within G-Idle, but 2022 did her well with that full 180 and now she's just been killing it.
Great vid. I didn’t really realise it but like you said nothing seemed off when Rei was there but you put the nail on it. ! It just sometimes seems like she not noticeable sometimes
Yea, that's the hard thing though. We're all so different and so it's one of those things where we may not have seen Rei here but others who maybe developed a greater affection for OT6 IVE may have felt the stage was so weird. But then to add on that layer of, yea things may not have been off but is this a consistent thing or just one-off. Then you once again add the whole different perspective from everyone and then you get so many people's opinion on different filler member.
Hahaha okay finally someone else sharing one of their opinions. Okay but I think I lowkey gotta agree with you on these two. Like they do have idol potential and skills and provide something to their respective teams, but also they either kinda get overshadowed a lot or like they just haven't had the consistent impact. Not saying they gotta claim the eras but to just in general stand out and not just exist. But yea, didn't include them just because it was them only and so didn't wanna single them out like that.
I would agree a bit with leeseo but eunchae is definitely a rough diamond, she is well rounder and has very great capacities at vocal and dancing, a filler member is somebody that doesn't contribute too much to the group but she definitely deserves her position
Ohh, have yet to see that personally but obviously we all see things differently. She definitely does contribute to the group for sure, but it real minor atm based on the criterias that I've used which may not be the same as yours
Hyewon is like the most obvious filler member but definitely one of the most lovable fillers, love the girl so much but during performances she was kinda just there (and got hidden a lot)
i agreed with some takes but saying sumin is a filler member when she is the LEADER of the group is crazy😭 shes all around a good idol- and onda from everglow could have more hype if she was pushed more by her shitty company- she’s a great dancer and performer.
Yea, I mean I didn't really take being a leader into consideration as I focused more on skills. Obviously, that doesn't mean that you can't think like that. But yea, Idk she still kinda just exists for me. Same with Onda too. I'm pretty sure they're both legitness in their own ways but I just haven't seen it on a consistent basis to just notice them like that.
youngeun was robbed in kep1er. youngeun had an amazing stage presence & showcased incredible vocal, dance and rap, especially rapping well while dancing powerfully. but i feel like wakeone never used that.
Yea, they saw everything she gave in GP999 and said yea nah. Like I don't understand why they don't utilise her as much. I wanna say potentially the top ace of the group??
I agree with the underutilized explanation because so many idols are actually really great at one thing or are really well rounded but aren't given enough opportunities to show it. Sometimes they bring in popularity or a fun variety personality but you can't really see that on stage.
Yea, underutilized or they're used in other aspects that I just omitted. Like popularit and variety like you mentioned. Didn't really consider these things but some of the people I named could have fit into these categories too.
Iz*one is a really good example of ''fillers'' being overshadowed and another clear example is Nako, since produce her vocal abilities were getting better while her iz*one career but with 12 members it was pretty obvious that not everybody has their moment to shine..
Omg yea actually though. Nako was a whole fan fav during produce 48 and then literally not utilised at all during iz*one. Literally the two things that I knew about her was that she liked twice and either she'd get the same lines as Hitomi in their title tracks or they'd get lines back to back. That's kinda it because once again, they kinda didn't try with her.
With the rei example in the beginning, I'd like to state that songs that they were performing we're I AM and kitch right? In Am Rei is the only member who doesn't really get her moment, Gaeul gets the rap, Liz and Yujin the chorus, Leeseo with the godly pre chorus and wonyoung in the bridge. The only Rei moment is in the final chorus, which just doesn't feel as impactful. In kitch she was kinda there, but the lines just could be sang by anyone, like any member coul've been missing (except wony or yujin) And it would've been relatively same. This in comparison to Love Dive where she had a lot of important parts and in Royal where no one coulve replaced Rei. Just a thought
Ohh for sure and that's why I didn't mention IVE as group discussion thing. Like I know her hiatus didn't leave that much of an impact in the I am era, but if you factor in the eras and then things look way different. She has my fav raps between her and Gaeul and so that's why I would still keep her in my version of "filler member-less" IVE.
Yea, Leeseo would have been my only filler member based on my criterias. Obviously, theres way more other factors that the industry looks at or even other commentors like you may consider. But yea, at the moment, she hasn't stood out stood out in a way where she seems vital in the skill sense.
@@cloudchungxiao yeah, I think she does though have an important charasteric to the group. I think every group has like two members with a more feminine energy and maybe more nasality or brighter voice. I think wony and leeseo are a lot like sana and momo from twice or like lia and yuna from itzy. I think there are always two members who have that girly energy and voice. Also in I am her voice in the pre chorus was crucial. So yes the characterics are the most reason probably. If we view dreamcatcher in the other hand, Handong is not top in anything, but her voice stands out as unique. I think that same thing applies to leeseo too
Many companies don't even bother giving idols proper vocal lessons nowadays that's why you have all this lip syncing going on and as a fan of twice jyp has given the songs that are out of their vocal range making people think they can't sing which is also a problem for other groups too I think companies should try to make different members shine each comback because I've thought so many idols were untalented until they did a dance cover or cover a song and I was shocked at how misused they are and finally this video was great maybe you could make part 2 with other groups if you stan other groups besides the one's in the video
Ohh for sure, many idols are under utilised and it's really noticable within really larger sized groups. Plus it's great that we see idols bond and want to stay in groups together but sometimes, they also give off such diff vibes that it results in some clash in making all the idols noticable when commiting to certain concepts. And so that's another reason as to why I may see someone filler even though they might actually have skills. But yea, I was gonna do 3rd gen next potentially. I'm kinda done with 4th gen just because I don't I can list anymore of them that have more than 2 filler members that I relatively know well.
Tbh with Stayc, they are all super talented, but they seem to underutilize, once again, the members. Yoon, Sieun and Isa do well as vocalists and they have good chemistry. J Stands out and that's her strenght, but Sumin actually showed prominent signs of being able to do rap on their (Sumin, Sieun, Yoon?) cover of Bang Bang. So if they could utilize Sumin's rapper skills and also use her deeper tone for advantage, as during so bad she reminded me a lot of Jisoo. With Seeun I never really get her that much, and the company feels to not know what to do with her either. In poppy though it was pretty weird that she didn't get a chorus line like the others, because she has a nice tone in the end of the day. But yeah, if I had to say I'd probably go with Seeun, but with Sumin I think she could do well as a rapper.
Oh for sure, plus Sumin is a great dancer within Stayc's line up. I just feel like it's the underutilization once again or maybe for me, she just hasn't gotten any impactful sections to really notice her. Maybe that's a me thing though and you and many others see it differently but I just have yet to see her shine like really well. Idk if this makes sense, but you know how there are certain all-rounded idols go soloist route but don't necessarily succeed that well. It's kinda that vibes where I see her skills but it's just not clicking for some reason
I know this related to fourth gen and girls groups. Every time I think about a filler member I think about hongbin from ex vixx. Vixx is a boy group that debuted in 2012 making thrid gen. Before they debuted they were on Surival show so they could make the group. Every time he sang they would they would say “he’s good but he can’t sing” “he’s pretty but his skills are lacking” when they came down shows gonna debut they like for visual the called him and hyuk vixx. “They said you maybe be lacking but you improved” he doesn’t like when someone says he’s handsome but. When he debuted introduced himself as that. A visual to comes off as a useless member. They just give them other position like rapper or singer because they don’t know what to give them. They gave him lead rapper but he’s only rapped in two vixx songs and one cover. They also give him less lines and along with hyuk but him less. They often make him when he debuted with a lot auto tune make sound sound bad or make him awkwardly rap speak lines like voodoo doll. He can sing but he has to find the right song for his voice. His voice is unique. He says he wants people to reqconize him for talents and not for his looks. It may not sound like filler member but sure does too. His company didn’t like him and only wanted him as visual and nothing else.
I wasn't around for VIXX being active, so I wanna know whether was Hongbin a popular member in the fandom/general public? I've always wondered that ever since he left VIXX and has become a full-time streamer. I don't know about his talent, but he seems handsome enough for a "fan magnet".
He wasn’t a very popular member. Him and Hyuk were one of the least popular members. I see he’s a “fan magnet” just for visuals, sassyness and for his acting.
Ohhh interesting, what do you mean by fan magnet though? I would assume that fan magnet kinda correlates to being really popular but considering he was compared with the other members, Im trying to fathom how that works.
@@cloudchungxiao Fan magnets (or stan attractors) are imo the members that usually get non-stans interested into a group. For example, Cha Eunwoo, BTS maknaes + Jin, Hyunjin and Felix of SKZ, Juyeon of the Boyz etc. It's like that moment when a fan will say "Oh, x-member got me into that group" and usually it's a stan attractor member. These members posses certain qualities (talent, visuals or charisma) that gets fans interested in their groups, regardless whether they end up as their biases. A lot of the time, said stan attractor might also be the main visual, the center or the face of the group. Basically, they have the looks that are closest to the Korean beauty standards and/or charisma/stage presence. Sometimes, this also might include a specific thing that makes them stand out (like if x-member has a super deep voice or something) or if the member is really good at variety shows and fan service (a.k.a, their public persona/personality). It kinda depends on a person's definition of the term, but that's how I take it mostly. Also, stan attractors aren't always the same member for different people.
To attract the fans. If he wasn’t giving acting or visual. I don’t think he would be that popular. On videos on their channel or group videos you won’t see his name mentioned a lot. When he left he absent went unnoticed to do military enlistment and not promoting. Their year anniversary you could only notice them because one of members seemed to be holding empty set for him but then this year the only seem to care about as now three members and they don’t include leader for group stuff on channel. Their birthday celebration for one members absence was unnoticed. The 11th year one that happened a few weeks ago it flat normal. He had gone for proformaces to do acting. I also think let him because his favorite singer was under company at the time. They got to met too
IMO, filler members are members who are given any position that’s lower skillwise. say for example, sub vocal, lead dancer, lead rapper, but only when there are multiple other members with these positions. They should also be forgettable due to low stage presence and doesn’t hold main position such as main vocal, main rapper, centre, and face of the group. With this being said there are groups that I think instantly when it comes to having filler member(s) such as AOA, T-ara, Teen Top, and Momoland.
Lead rapper is such a useless position because most of time they don’t even rap. Like hongbin from vixx is a lead rapper but he’s rapped in like 2 or 3 songs. He sings more than he raps. He often introduces himself as the visual and then is a lead rapper. The lead rapper is more like a backup rapper if the main doesn’t want to rap in that song or something.
Yea, the way they announce the skill positions for different group do be kinda weird. Like sometimes they give certain idol positions that kinda are very participation trophy vibes. But then like for example weeekly get thrown all the position for most of them lowkey. But yea, do wanna hear what your thoughts are on the groups you listed though. Which AOA was this? Teen Top had one member leave the group recently so wanna know if he was one of them and then T-Ara and Momoland; kinda know them but not really.
@@cloudchungxiao dont know other groups but i’m pretty sure nayun was the filler member of momoland, gorl is literally the definition of filler, she didnt do anything at all, weak vocals, weak dance, weak rap, weak stage presence, she wasnt even the visual or center
Hahaha what? Only got into Momoland during Yummy yummy love era so don't know much about them. But yea, I know they were on a survival program to form them so do you know how she got in?
For IVE from the Western perspective, Wouyoung comes off like filler TALENT/industry plant of the group. Like she’s used to catapult the group forward with the ‘rich princesses’ concept. That’s why after Eleven she hasn’t really kept me coming back for IVE but Gaeul, Liz, Reí, Yujin-ie in Hypnosis and Wave ???? iLive. When Li-eul said “Oooooooooooo” in Wave, those 15 seconds alone had me by my windpipe.
Yea, Wonyoung for sure brought that iz*one attention to IVE and has helped the group maintain a consistent level of attention. But with IVE's music, we're seeing all the other members kinda come up in different ways and get themselves attention so that it doesn't completely feel like a X and friend situation
well first of all i want to say that i just watched this and the third gen version and while i don’t agree with everything you’ve gotten a subscribe from me!! it’s refreshing to see someone on ktube being honest without being mean. i was a little nervous reading the title but you didn’t seem hateful at all to any of these idols. most people probably don’t know second gen all that well but that’s where i first found kpop so that’s my era and niche lol. a lot of groups back then had filler members too like snsd, after school, 9muses, rainbow.. a lot of groups back then were obsessed with having 9 members to be like snsd lol.
Thanks :) Yea, the title is kinda a bit intense but also gets the point of what I was doing with this video. As for 2nd gen; there defs were a lot of groups that had a bigger number of members within groups that I could potentially do a video on like this. However, I don't really know them like that to make a judgement from my criteria of how I determined the "filler member". I got into Kpop in 2019 so it's been a lot of kinda looking back while also keeping up to date with the newer groups too.
You should make a video of Filler members who became MEMBERS... The case of Shuahua, I.N and Eunchae..lol Kepler is the most mismanaged group... They had the talent and fame pre-debut! But their concept killed them.... I'm praying for a great concept for ZB1. My main picks for a smaller Kepler: Yujin -leader/ lead vocal/visual, Xiaoting; Main dancer ,centre, Youngeun- Main vocal, Main dancer, visual, lead rapper, Hikaru- Main dancer and Rapper, Yeseo- Lead dancer and co-centre( emo concepts fit her best the case of Fate)..
That would be interesting. Not sure how I would go about the concept of that video though. Plus like I kinda only really think of Shuhua atm. I don't know I.N that well and the Eunchae lowkey is giving "filler" in the sense of being underutilized or just not suiting the concept strong enough to stand out like the other members. But yea, for Kep1er, omg that would be such a real interesting line up though. I lowkey wouldn't mind seeing that though. Plus omg, did you see videos of their Japan tour though. I think they did covers of their GP999 cover songs; snake and U+Me.
@@cloudchungxiao omg!!! I didn't watch Snake and U+Me(this is still in my playlist; three years) .. for me Eunchae is shining she is giving main energy....Plus if you watch the behind the scenes of their content... She is really holding their own .. I'm surprised she is more the glue of the group than I thought.
Snake been on my playlist too but recently got back into U+Me and Shoot too. But yea, I mean I'm not follow Le Sserafim too much. Like I only really know their title tracks and some b-sides but other than that, I don't watch too much of their variety stuff or individual stuff. But that's good to hear though. Hopefully, it translates more within the future comebacks in that she's able to get more impactful parts too.
@@cloudchungxiao she will grow... I have faith 😀.... I am really into Boysnextdoor.... I honestly didn't pay attention to their music...until I saw their love stages... Now I'm hooked, just wanted to share that
Ohh, don't think I've heard about them. Quick research and they look kinda interesting. Kinda confused with what concept they gonna go for though. Their name and description for their name sounds like they might go for a more bright or mellow concept to be "comforting" but then they're under KOZ, so I thought lowkey it would be real boy crush af. Will give them a listen though and see how that goes.
I wanna say only 2/5 don't have noticeable centers if they even have one. But yea, I mean I vibe with all of the groups listed and so that why I was able to relatively say who felt filler-ish to me but I don't represent the GP completely too.
I don’t think any of the Everglow members can be counted as filler.Yiren is the center and even though she is not the most talented one she can still capture eyes with her aura.(Especially in Everglow’s early days when she is actually treated as a center.) In Onda’s case I think she was filler until First era.That era she really showed her improvement and now rocking everything
Lowkey do wonder why Yiren is center tbh. Sounds kinda harsh but I think she does stand out in contrast to the other members, but I've always wondered the whole girl crush concept of Everglow and YIren would not be the first member who I could see emulate as representative for them. But yea, Onda popped off in First. Pirate was the only comeback after that which she did her thing but Idk if it was enough at that point to think she wasn't filler for me. Haven't paid too much attention on Slay but might have to have a look to see
I wanna say this is all related to everglow just because you mentioned Yiren but feel free to let me know if you were talking about another group too. Yiren is the center and obviously that means a bit of screen time. However, that's kinda it for me. She hasn't been able to completely embody their concept crazily to the point where she is killing it frequently. She just kinda seems to get overshadowed by others and so despite her being the center, it just doesn't feel like her presence has been strong enough for me to see her as integral. Obviously though, like I said, we may all see things differently. But yea, that was the vibes that I have been getting with everglow though.
I think you're overlooking the skills of several members (Yeseo's dancing and Seeun and Nako's vocals, for example) but also, I just don't believe in "filler members" anymore. As you point out in the video, these members are added to groups for a reason, and tbh skills are not the most important factor for whether a group will be successful. As long as the members can follow the choreo and sing well enough to record their lines, they're fine. Visuals, charisma, leadership skills, humor, and "stan attractor" qualities in general are extremely important for groups.
Yea, I do know those idols you mention do have skills. I just restricted myself to a certain amount jsut because having too much would kinda result in a really weird distribution issue which I guess, I might thinking too far. But yea, imagine many great vocalist but they're not all being utilised well which is kinda my thought process as to why I didn't so many people. But yea, I did omit some other factors that the industry care about and some other people may consider too just because I wanted to look at it the way I would imagine it.
Yeseo could honestly be the main dancer in a group just because of her energy. She still needs some training as she’s not the best but she’s still really good and has tons of potential if given the right dance trainer to help her harness the energy. Same idea as Jihyo tbh, great energy but needs cleaned up
Honestly, Kep1er has a strong dance line. Like maybe 6 of them? would be in contention for main/lead dancer. But yea, Yeseo does need a bit more training to either stand out more or be in a different group that helps her stand out more.
@@cloudchungxiao imo both her and xiaoting would be perfect centers for different concepts and have a changing center concept but her and Bahiyyih would be added in my lineup and not be filler. The rest was exactly what I was thinking though!
Not a GG but a BG: Hyunjin from Stray Kidz; I watched the entirity of Mnet's survival show Kingdom that Stray Kid were on and did not realise he wasn't there until after I finished watching the whole show because they were perfect the whole show - nothing (and no one) felt "missing".
he actually does a lot for the group, he serves as the main visual and main dancer (don't underestimate the importance of visuals, they attract so many new fans, look at how huge Hyunjin's OWN fandom is-), I honestly don't think stray kids has any filler members
I know he's got a distinct facial feature or stage presence that makes him stand out I think. He kinda gets mentioned from what I hear so not sure if I would see him as a filler but also don't listen to stray kids like that to be certain. But that's an interesting choice for sure. You mention Kingdom but is the same experience felt with their title tracks that you listen to?
Ohh yea for sure, we all see it differently. Are you in the camp that sees all of the members as not fillers or there are some to you but not the ones I stated.
Centers kinda mean "nothing" to me. Obviously within the context of kpop industry, you do obviously do something impactful enough where the company wants the idol to be center. However, the way I was forming filler members was based on the three talents, which is obviously how the kpop industry doesn't look at it or other people in general. But yea, thoughts on Yeseo though? She kinda is giving Nako vibes in that she showed so much potential during the show but the minute they debuted, the companies kinda are doing nothing with them
My opinion: Lightsum: Hina,Huiyeon, Jian (debatable cause she is one of the rapper) Kep1er: Bahiyyih ,Mashiro (sad that she couldn’t really show what she got cause she was way better at gp999) Izone: Hyewon,,Hitomi,Sakura,Minju,Nako (Same with Mashiro) Everglow: Onda (Debatable after First era) StayC: Seeun (I don’t know why but Sumin shines for me)
I could kinda see what you mean about Sumin. She is kinda in between J and the others in terms of her voice. Like not bright but not deep like J's. So she can kinda have that balance between the members. Same with Onda. Literally first was her era but to me that was kinda it. Nako and Mashiro literally having the same arc of shining members with relative attention during their survival shows to get nothing once they debuted; like foul.
IMO Idk really know lightsum so I can’t give an answer. Kep1er- I agree with this take except I might switch mashiro for yeseo. Izone- Hitomi, Nako, Minju, Sakura, Hyewon and Wonyoung. Everglow- Agree Stayc- I feel like only Seeun is a filler member.
I think I know the 5 groups based off thumbnail, so leaving my guesses! lightsum: idk the members AT ALL but I think the 2 youngest that left the group iz*one: Hyewon and minju everglow: shiyeon and e:u stayc: sumin and isa or seeun and isa kep1er: Yujin and yeseo I’ll edit for what I actually got right lol lightsum: was right about those 2! I thought it was 2 per group lol kep1er: yup 🙁💔 was thinking bahi too but I wasn’t sure bc she hasn’t gotten to shine yet iz*one: yep… but like half of them were filler members here so 😭😭 everglow: both wrong 😭 I think yiren and onda are both great dancers so I didn’t think they’d be in it, but everglow is another group I’m not as familiar with them stayc: I didn’t pair Sumin and seeun, but I did put both in the mix so I’ll take it
Yea, Onda and Yiren are great dancers but it's one of those things where they have a lot of pretty good dancers where you gotta kinda think about it because will they use them a lot even if they're a good dancer. I mean Yiren technically is the centre but sometimes lowkey doesn't feel like it. But yea, great guesses. I made a third gen one recently so feel free to guess them again hahaha
Not you coming for my Yujin (Kep1er) and Yiren (Everglow) being my favs in groups and you calling them a fillers.... I thought Yiren was super popular too!
Hahaha woops. Nah honestly, could have put Yujin into potentially third vocalist-ish but the way she's getting lowkey neglected in Kep1er. Like atleast she's experiencing that thriving life with Kep1er compared to her time in CLC but also I hope she gets more prominent era though. As for Yiren, I know she was popping off. She did have that minor or major, not sure, controversy with the whole cultural different where koreans might not be vibing her like that. But she's def still popular in China for sure. But yea, wasn't really looking at popularity as one of my criteria's which the kpop industry defs would have factored that in though
True. For some reasons, they really ignore Yujin in Kep1er, despite her dancing skill. Maybe because the group is composed of many good dancers already?
Yea, they're defs focusing on the other dancers within the group. It's like how Yeseo is another great dancer too, but Idk if they really put much attention on that
Omg, actually though. How are they gonna announce the departure of two members without a plan to comeback stronger. Plus the news of Sangah in Queendom Puzzle??? Like when is the comback?
For me, her dancing has not completely captured my attention like that. I've seen her dancing before but I think she kinda gets overshadowed in that category in Everglow. Visuals are pretty meh for me. Not something that I need but alright if that's one thing that she's known for. Then being a center was pretty interesting to find out. Never knew that about her before the video. She almost gave Pre-2020 GIdle vibes of being like Shuhua. Like she was there and did her thing but wasn't completely noticeable within each comeback. But yea, I mean obviously you see it different. Do you consider someone else in Everglow filler or none of them at all?
I agree hina doesnt shine much in my eyes ahaha. For kep1er i think yeseo and bahiyyih are filler members they dont show any new sides much For izone Hyewon and wonyoung are filler members they dont really give any powerful performance. For EVERGLOW, i think fillers are yiren and onda they dont even get lines it explains a lot lol For STAYC, seeun and sumin they dont really have definable positions
Ayyy, I think we agree with the same people except I have a few more for each of the groups hahaha. For Yeseo though, she kinda feels like she has that Nako treatment. Like really hyped up and popular as during the show but then put in the back during her time in the group
Go Won has a whisper tone, Chuu because she struggled to fit most concepts because she’s perma-aegyo, Hyunjin has been described as ‘dancing like she at gun-point’, Viví because her ‘Yeahs’ weren’t doin’ it for me, Choerry 😬 (she is an all-a-rounder but Heejin and Yves were thee all-a-rounder in the group). Simply put Choerry was under utilized. Yeojin and Hyeju are fillers… Their solo debuts were cute though ^
Hahaha yea, really love the random instigation. what a joke See how weird that sound? Maybe listen a bit more carefully before you type stuff online so confidently.
As a fan of multiple groups, I've seen that sometimes, members that are usually called filler have a different role in the group outside of the music & performance aspect (ex. main visual of the group, variety personality, popular member that brings in fans, etc.). I can see where Kpop fans outside of a certain fandom can see these members as filler, but there are not that many filler members in actuality. In the current music climate, most companies can't afford having too many members that don't serve a purpose to the group in one way or another.
Ohh for sure, like I said at the start, there is always a reason for debuting idols from the companies perspective. I mean why would they waste money debuting a filler. Plus my criteria of determing a filler members is way different from how the kpop industry will look at finding roles for certain members like the examples you gave above which could have been applied to some of the "filler members" that I named but those weren't criterias that I was looking at. Defs a great point though.
lets be honest this is basically most 12 member groups
It's only 2 out of 5 groups that got mentioned. I don't know if I would agree with you with the "most" part
any group with more than five or maybe six members have filler members honestly
Yea, it's really any large groups and you're guaranteed to have a filler member from the way I criteria it. However, I don't take into consideration the fact that the kpop industry takes way many other things into consideration which those "filler members" might provide - visual, variety
@@twofacedmiku But all Loona members can dance and sing. The solos proved that everyone can sing. But Yeah giving 12 members fair lines is pretty hard. Vivi who can definetly sing only gets like one line, but she can sing.
Yea, kinda like I said in the video. Filler doesn't necessarily mean useless. It just might mean they're under utilised too or kinda exist because they get overshadowed.
i agree when you say some filler members are underutilized. filler members aren’t always people that are unskilled or "do nothing" they’re kind of just there.
Ohh for sure, plus with my video specifically, I omit certain factors that the kpop industry prioritizes too. So it's like depending on who the person, we may all just kinda see things differently
The thing about big groups, is that if you don't make sure to rotate your songs so they fit the different members, someone is going to be left in the dust, and you won't know the amount of potential they have, since you don't give them the attention they need.
That's why when dealing with big groups, you should properly look into fitting sub-units into it.
Yea, I was gonna say, if you gotta rotate the songs or concept drastically then maybe you should just have had them debut two different groups. But sub-units also work too for sure.
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I don't actually think the rotation has to be that drastic.
Like some people are best at R&B other pop and some balleds.
If you as a company make sure that there's a producer or vocal coach that pays attention to each member, they should be able to find each members strength and weaknesses, and therefore it should be easier for them to "rotate" the members from song to song.
Like look at BTS, they started out being a rap focused group, yet over time they have become very vocal focused, but that doesn't mean they don't pit out any rap focused songs anymore.
Rotationing isn't that difficult as long as you pay attention to all the members within a group even after they have debuted, since plenty of idols gets better or evolves more after their debut.
Ohh yea I see what you mean. I think that might even come through within each mini album in which they can slightly change about the genres a little to suit each member in some way too. Plus sometimes it does come with just evolving as a group too which makes them change the way they convey themselves too.
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Yeah, it just seems like most companies are too scared of bringing it over to the title tracks or to change up the groups original lineups.
Like if one member usually gets the most lines or has the main or lead position, they usually will continue to, even if the other members catch up or, in some cases, gets better than the other members, even if another member is better suited for a specific type of music
So I guess that's what I really want companies to start doing better, because when you do that, the members are less likely to get the "filler" position, and it will help all of them getting a career outside their groups.
Yea, it's one of those things where they don't wanna fix what's not broken. Changing the line up would be weird though unless you're refering to sub-units.
I find it weird you had mashiro in kepler because she’s so intensely forgettable and feels like the definition of filler member
Hahaha really? I mean I feel like she does well with what she gets for me. I still seem to notice her but I guess that's just a me thing
@@cloudchungxiaoshe’s my bias but tbh she’s like the most forgettable member of Kep1er
Some People when mention every Kep1er members potential, they don’t even know what to talk about Yesseo and especially Mashiro
yeah now that I think about it she is very forgettable half the time I don't even remember she was in Kepler@@Castformsupremacy
For iz I feel like Nako should be in the vocal. Girl can belt, see pd48, they just never used her because she was a higher tone.
Omg though, literally that though. Plus the way that Iz*one would give her and hitomi either the same lines or side by side lines because of their higher tones. Like apparently it was alright during PD48, but during iz*one it seemed like the thing that hindered her from being able to vocally showcase herself. But yea, Nako was defs a good option to. The third vocalist for me really was going to be Chaewon, Nako or Yujin.
Nako couldn’t support so it’s a no-no with those strained notes
Not sure about technique and all that but I do remember her being recognised for her vocal abilities. Obviously doesn't mean it can apply to all songs but that's still something though to have
these "filler members" are mostly decided through your opinion, skill wise. But let's be real, being an idol isn't just about singing, dancing, and rapping. Some members are there simply because of their center quality or because they can attract stans. They can always improve in the long run.
I would put Tzuyu from Twice here. When she debuted she wasn’t a good singer or dancer compared to the other girls. You can tell how hard she’s worked and has improved drastically!
Ohh for sure, I mean it is my channel and so it's just me kinda sharing my opinions hahaha which hopefully everyone is aware that it doesn't mean that what I say is fact. Defs did omit other factors that the industry defs look at like visual and variety-esque members too. Plus you actually bring up a good point which I knew but didn't really think about in terms of them improving in the long run. I mean another perfect example would be Shuhua. If I was a youtube in 2018-2021, she would have made the list if I found another filler member within G-Idle, but 2022 did her well with that full 180 and now she's just been killing it.
Hyewon is a total dozen tho
Great vid. I didn’t really realise it but like you said nothing seemed off when Rei was there but you put the nail on it. ! It just sometimes seems like she not noticeable sometimes
Yea, that's the hard thing though. We're all so different and so it's one of those things where we may not have seen Rei here but others who maybe developed a greater affection for OT6 IVE may have felt the stage was so weird. But then to add on that layer of, yea things may not have been off but is this a consistent thing or just one-off. Then you once again add the whole different perspective from everyone and then you get so many people's opinion on different filler member.
I think leeseo is the filler in Ive and eunchae in Lesserafim
yea leeseo for her age but her stage presence makes up for it imo.
Hahaha okay finally someone else sharing one of their opinions. Okay but I think I lowkey gotta agree with you on these two. Like they do have idol potential and skills and provide something to their respective teams, but also they either kinda get overshadowed a lot or like they just haven't had the consistent impact. Not saying they gotta claim the eras but to just in general stand out and not just exist. But yea, didn't include them just because it was them only and so didn't wanna single them out like that.
I would agree a bit with leeseo but eunchae is definitely a rough diamond, she is well rounder and has very great capacities at vocal and dancing, a filler member is somebody that doesn't contribute too much to the group but she definitely deserves her position
Ohh, have yet to see that personally but obviously we all see things differently. She definitely does contribute to the group for sure, but it real minor atm based on the criterias that I've used which may not be the same as yours
It's not that I think Eunchae is a filler member, more like she would fit better with a group like New Jeans
i havent even pushed play and i know he will be talking about hyewon.
Hyewon is like the most obvious filler member but definitely one of the most lovable fillers, love the girl so much but during performances she was kinda just there (and got hidden a lot)
Hahaha, was she that obvious?
i agreed with some takes but saying sumin is a filler member when she is the LEADER of the group is crazy😭 shes all around a good idol- and onda from everglow could have more hype if she was pushed more by her shitty company- she’s a great dancer and performer.
LMAO like if anything j has been filler til this era tbhhh
@@theetaurus1832the main rapper? as filler? lmao
@@jesclle legit every song since debut til MAYBE stereotype or run2u could’ve did without her. cry.
Yea, I mean I didn't really take being a leader into consideration as I focused more on skills. Obviously, that doesn't mean that you can't think like that. But yea, Idk she still kinda just exists for me. Same with Onda too. I'm pretty sure they're both legitness in their own ways but I just haven't seen it on a consistent basis to just notice them like that.
She stepped down as leader several months ago
youngeun was robbed in kep1er. youngeun had an amazing stage presence & showcased incredible vocal, dance and rap, especially rapping well while dancing powerfully. but i feel like wakeone never used that.
Yea, they saw everything she gave in GP999 and said yea nah. Like I don't understand why they don't utilise her as much. I wanna say potentially the top ace of the group??
I agree with the underutilized explanation because so many idols are actually really great at one thing or are really well rounded but aren't given enough opportunities to show it. Sometimes they bring in popularity or a fun variety personality but you can't really see that on stage.
Yea, underutilized or they're used in other aspects that I just omitted. Like popularit and variety like you mentioned. Didn't really consider these things but some of the people I named could have fit into these categories too.
Iz*one is a really good example of ''fillers'' being overshadowed and another clear example is Nako, since produce her vocal abilities were getting better while her iz*one career but with 12 members it was pretty obvious that not everybody has their moment to shine..
Omg yea actually though. Nako was a whole fan fav during produce 48 and then literally not utilised at all during iz*one. Literally the two things that I knew about her was that she liked twice and either she'd get the same lines as Hitomi in their title tracks or they'd get lines back to back. That's kinda it because once again, they kinda didn't try with her.
With the rei example in the beginning, I'd like to state that songs that they were performing we're I AM and kitch right? In Am Rei is the only member who doesn't really get her moment, Gaeul gets the rap, Liz and Yujin the chorus, Leeseo with the godly pre chorus and wonyoung in the bridge. The only Rei moment is in the final chorus, which just doesn't feel as impactful. In kitch she was kinda there, but the lines just could be sang by anyone, like any member coul've been missing (except wony or yujin) And it would've been relatively same.
This in comparison to Love Dive where she had a lot of important parts and in Royal where no one coulve replaced Rei. Just a thought
Ohh for sure and that's why I didn't mention IVE as group discussion thing. Like I know her hiatus didn't leave that much of an impact in the I am era, but if you factor in the eras and then things look way different. She has my fav raps between her and Gaeul and so that's why I would still keep her in my version of "filler member-less" IVE.
@@cloudchungxiao curious of this would leeseo be on the list then?
I think she is important for other factors but doesnt really have that one thing
Yea, Leeseo would have been my only filler member based on my criterias. Obviously, theres way more other factors that the industry looks at or even other commentors like you may consider. But yea, at the moment, she hasn't stood out stood out in a way where she seems vital in the skill sense.
@@cloudchungxiao yeah, I think she does though have an important charasteric to the group. I think every group has like two members with a more feminine energy and maybe more nasality or brighter voice. I think wony and leeseo are a lot like sana and momo from twice or like lia and yuna from itzy.
I think there are always two members who have that girly energy and voice. Also in I am her voice in the pre chorus was crucial. So yes the characterics are the most reason probably.
If we view dreamcatcher in the other hand, Handong is not top in anything, but her voice stands out as unique. I think that same thing applies to leeseo too
Haven't really thought about it like that but I do see what you mean.
Many companies don't even bother giving idols proper vocal lessons nowadays that's why you have all this lip syncing going on and as a fan of twice jyp has given the songs that are out of their vocal range making people think they can't sing which is also a problem for other groups too I think companies should try to make different members shine each comback because I've thought so many idols were untalented until they did a dance cover or cover a song and I was shocked at how misused they are and finally this video was great maybe you could make part 2 with other groups if you stan other groups besides the one's in the video
Ohh for sure, many idols are under utilised and it's really noticable within really larger sized groups. Plus it's great that we see idols bond and want to stay in groups together but sometimes, they also give off such diff vibes that it results in some clash in making all the idols noticable when commiting to certain concepts. And so that's another reason as to why I may see someone filler even though they might actually have skills. But yea, I was gonna do 3rd gen next potentially. I'm kinda done with 4th gen just because I don't I can list anymore of them that have more than 2 filler members that I relatively know well.
Tbh with Stayc, they are all super talented, but they seem to underutilize, once again, the members. Yoon, Sieun and Isa do well as vocalists and they have good chemistry. J Stands out and that's her strenght, but Sumin actually showed prominent signs of being able to do rap on their (Sumin, Sieun, Yoon?) cover of Bang Bang. So if they could utilize Sumin's rapper skills and also use her deeper tone for advantage, as during so bad she reminded me a lot of Jisoo. With Seeun I never really get her that much, and the company feels to not know what to do with her either. In poppy though it was pretty weird that she didn't get a chorus line like the others, because she has a nice tone in the end of the day. But yeah, if I had to say I'd probably go with Seeun, but with Sumin I think she could do well as a rapper.
Oh for sure, plus Sumin is a great dancer within Stayc's line up. I just feel like it's the underutilization once again or maybe for me, she just hasn't gotten any impactful sections to really notice her. Maybe that's a me thing though and you and many others see it differently but I just have yet to see her shine like really well. Idk if this makes sense, but you know how there are certain all-rounded idols go soloist route but don't necessarily succeed that well. It's kinda that vibes where I see her skills but it's just not clicking for some reason
I know this related to fourth gen and girls groups. Every time I think about a filler member I think about hongbin from ex vixx. Vixx is a boy group that debuted in 2012 making thrid gen. Before they debuted they were on Surival show so they could make the group. Every time he sang they would they would say “he’s good but he can’t sing” “he’s pretty but his skills are lacking” when they came down shows gonna debut they like for visual the called him and hyuk vixx. “They said you maybe be lacking but you improved” he doesn’t like when someone says he’s handsome but. When he debuted introduced himself as that. A visual to comes off as a useless member. They just give them other position like rapper or singer because they don’t know what to give them. They gave him lead rapper but he’s only rapped in two vixx songs and one cover. They also give him less lines and along with hyuk but him less. They often make him when he debuted with a lot auto tune make sound sound bad or make him awkwardly rap speak lines like voodoo doll. He can sing but he has to find the right song for his voice. His voice is unique. He says he wants people to reqconize him for talents and not for his looks. It may not sound like filler member but sure does too. His company didn’t like him and only wanted him as visual and nothing else.
I wasn't around for VIXX being active, so I wanna know whether was Hongbin a popular member in the fandom/general public? I've always wondered that ever since he left VIXX and has become a full-time streamer. I don't know about his talent, but he seems handsome enough for a "fan magnet".
He wasn’t a very popular member. Him and Hyuk were one of the least popular members. I see he’s a “fan magnet” just for visuals, sassyness and for his acting.
Ohhh interesting, what do you mean by fan magnet though? I would assume that fan magnet kinda correlates to being really popular but considering he was compared with the other members, Im trying to fathom how that works.
@@cloudchungxiao Fan magnets (or stan attractors) are imo the members that usually get non-stans interested into a group. For example, Cha Eunwoo, BTS maknaes + Jin, Hyunjin and Felix of SKZ, Juyeon of the Boyz etc. It's like that moment when a fan will say "Oh, x-member got me into that group" and usually it's a stan attractor member. These members posses certain qualities (talent, visuals or charisma) that gets fans interested in their groups, regardless whether they end up as their biases. A lot of the time, said stan attractor might also be the main visual, the center or the face of the group. Basically, they have the looks that are closest to the Korean beauty standards and/or charisma/stage presence. Sometimes, this also might include a specific thing that makes them stand out (like if x-member has a super deep voice or something) or if the member is really good at variety shows and fan service (a.k.a, their public persona/personality). It kinda depends on a person's definition of the term, but that's how I take it mostly. Also, stan attractors aren't always the same member for different people.
To attract the fans. If he wasn’t giving acting or visual. I don’t think he would be that popular. On videos on their channel or group videos you won’t see his name mentioned a lot. When he left he absent went unnoticed to do military enlistment and not promoting. Their year anniversary you could only notice them because one of members seemed to be holding empty set for him but then this year the only seem to care about as now three members and they don’t include leader for group stuff on channel. Their birthday celebration for one members absence was unnoticed. The 11th year one that happened a few weeks ago it flat normal. He had gone for proformaces to do acting. I also think let him because his favorite singer was under company at the time. They got to met too
IMO, filler members are members who are given any position that’s lower skillwise. say for example, sub vocal, lead dancer, lead rapper, but only when there are multiple other members with these positions. They should also be forgettable due to low stage presence and doesn’t hold main position such as main vocal, main rapper, centre, and face of the group.
With this being said there are groups that I think instantly when it comes to having filler member(s) such as AOA, T-ara, Teen Top, and Momoland.
Lead rapper is such a useless position because most of time they don’t even rap. Like hongbin from vixx is a lead rapper but he’s rapped in like 2 or 3 songs. He sings more than he raps. He often introduces himself as the visual and then is a lead rapper. The lead rapper is more like a backup rapper if the main doesn’t want to rap in that song or something.
Yea, the way they announce the skill positions for different group do be kinda weird. Like sometimes they give certain idol positions that kinda are very participation trophy vibes. But then like for example weeekly get thrown all the position for most of them lowkey.
But yea, do wanna hear what your thoughts are on the groups you listed though. Which AOA was this? Teen Top had one member leave the group recently so wanna know if he was one of them and then T-Ara and Momoland; kinda know them but not really.
@@cloudchungxiao dont know other groups but i’m pretty sure nayun was the filler member of momoland, gorl is literally the definition of filler, she didnt do anything at all, weak vocals, weak dance, weak rap, weak stage presence, she wasnt even the visual or center
Hahaha what? Only got into Momoland during Yummy yummy love era so don't know much about them. But yea, I know they were on a survival program to form them so do you know how she got in?
ricky 😭
For IVE from the Western perspective, Wouyoung comes off like filler TALENT/industry plant of the group. Like she’s used to catapult the group forward with the ‘rich princesses’ concept. That’s why after Eleven she hasn’t really kept me coming back for IVE but Gaeul, Liz, Reí, Yujin-ie in Hypnosis and Wave ???? iLive.
When Li-eul said “Oooooooooooo” in Wave, those 15 seconds alone had me by my windpipe.
Yea, Wonyoung for sure brought that iz*one attention to IVE and has helped the group maintain a consistent level of attention. But with IVE's music, we're seeing all the other members kinda come up in different ways and get themselves attention so that it doesn't completely feel like a X and friend situation
Very cool video. Something i always thought about but never really expressed myself. I agree with your picks.
Ohhh, thanks. Any other opinions on other 4th gen groups?
Well, just like all popular card games, some fillers go on to become metas. 😸
Hahaha that's a way of thinking about it for sure. By meta, do you mean popular or the norm?
@@cloudchungxiao why not both? I do think they got the it factor to become top tier.
Right, for sure. But you think it's just an era that they become meta or they able to transcend into their own fandom.
well first of all i want to say that i just watched this and the third gen version and while i don’t agree with everything you’ve gotten a subscribe from me!! it’s refreshing to see someone on ktube being honest without being mean. i was a little nervous reading the title but you didn’t seem hateful at all to any of these idols.
most people probably don’t know second gen all that well but that’s where i first found kpop so that’s my era and niche lol. a lot of groups back then had filler members too like snsd, after school, 9muses, rainbow.. a lot of groups back then were obsessed with having 9 members to be like snsd lol.
Thanks :) Yea, the title is kinda a bit intense but also gets the point of what I was doing with this video.
As for 2nd gen; there defs were a lot of groups that had a bigger number of members within groups that I could potentially do a video on like this. However, I don't really know them like that to make a judgement from my criteria of how I determined the "filler member". I got into Kpop in 2019 so it's been a lot of kinda looking back while also keeping up to date with the newer groups too.
There's a lot of other filler members too fir example shuhua from Gidle , eunchae ans Sakura from lsfrm yeri from rv jisoo from bp and more
Ohh interesting choices. Feel like I have defs seen these names thrown around.
You should make a video of Filler members who became MEMBERS... The case of Shuahua, I.N and Eunchae..lol
Kepler is the most mismanaged group... They had the talent and fame pre-debut! But their concept killed them.... I'm praying for a great concept for ZB1. My main picks for a smaller Kepler: Yujin -leader/ lead vocal/visual, Xiaoting; Main dancer ,centre, Youngeun- Main vocal, Main dancer, visual, lead rapper, Hikaru- Main dancer and Rapper, Yeseo- Lead dancer and co-centre( emo concepts fit her best the case of Fate)..
That would be interesting. Not sure how I would go about the concept of that video though. Plus like I kinda only really think of Shuhua atm. I don't know I.N that well and the Eunchae lowkey is giving "filler" in the sense of being underutilized or just not suiting the concept strong enough to stand out like the other members.
But yea, for Kep1er, omg that would be such a real interesting line up though. I lowkey wouldn't mind seeing that though. Plus omg, did you see videos of their Japan tour though. I think they did covers of their GP999 cover songs; snake and U+Me.
@@cloudchungxiao omg!!! I didn't watch Snake and U+Me(this is still in my playlist; three years) .. for me Eunchae is shining she is giving main energy....Plus if you watch the behind the scenes of their content... She is really holding their own .. I'm surprised she is more the glue of the group than I thought.
Snake been on my playlist too but recently got back into U+Me and Shoot too. But yea, I mean I'm not follow Le Sserafim too much. Like I only really know their title tracks and some b-sides but other than that, I don't watch too much of their variety stuff or individual stuff. But that's good to hear though. Hopefully, it translates more within the future comebacks in that she's able to get more impactful parts too.
@@cloudchungxiao she will grow... I have faith 😀.... I am really into Boysnextdoor.... I honestly didn't pay attention to their music...until I saw their love stages... Now I'm hooked, just wanted to share that
Ohh, don't think I've heard about them. Quick research and they look kinda interesting. Kinda confused with what concept they gonna go for though. Their name and description for their name sounds like they might go for a more bright or mellow concept to be "comforting" but then they're under KOZ, so I thought lowkey it would be real boy crush af. Will give them a listen though and see how that goes.
Some of the groups you mentioned don't have centers and so they might not successfully draw in the GP
I wanna say only 2/5 don't have noticeable centers if they even have one. But yea, I mean I vibe with all of the groups listed and so that why I was able to relatively say who felt filler-ish to me but I don't represent the GP completely too.
I don’t think any of the Everglow members can be counted as filler.Yiren is the center and even though she is not the most talented one she can still capture eyes with her aura.(Especially in Everglow’s early days when she is actually treated as a center.) In Onda’s case I think she was filler until First era.That era she really showed her improvement and now rocking everything
Lowkey do wonder why Yiren is center tbh. Sounds kinda harsh but I think she does stand out in contrast to the other members, but I've always wondered the whole girl crush concept of Everglow and YIren would not be the first member who I could see emulate as representative for them. But yea, Onda popped off in First. Pirate was the only comeback after that which she did her thing but Idk if it was enough at that point to think she wasn't filler for me. Haven't paid too much attention on Slay but might have to have a look to see
these takes were so odd... how were the centers of the groups filler members? i get skill-based, but saying yiren werent pushed etc made no sense
I wanna say this is all related to everglow just because you mentioned Yiren but feel free to let me know if you were talking about another group too. Yiren is the center and obviously that means a bit of screen time. However, that's kinda it for me. She hasn't been able to completely embody their concept crazily to the point where she is killing it frequently. She just kinda seems to get overshadowed by others and so despite her being the center, it just doesn't feel like her presence has been strong enough for me to see her as integral. Obviously though, like I said, we may all see things differently. But yea, that was the vibes that I have been getting with everglow though.
I think you're overlooking the skills of several members (Yeseo's dancing and Seeun and Nako's vocals, for example) but also, I just don't believe in "filler members" anymore. As you point out in the video, these members are added to groups for a reason, and tbh skills are not the most important factor for whether a group will be successful. As long as the members can follow the choreo and sing well enough to record their lines, they're fine. Visuals, charisma, leadership skills, humor, and "stan attractor" qualities in general are extremely important for groups.
Yea, I do know those idols you mention do have skills. I just restricted myself to a certain amount jsut because having too much would kinda result in a really weird distribution issue which I guess, I might thinking too far. But yea, imagine many great vocalist but they're not all being utilised well which is kinda my thought process as to why I didn't so many people. But yea, I did omit some other factors that the industry care about and some other people may consider too just because I wanted to look at it the way I would imagine it.
Yeseo could honestly be the main dancer in a group just because of her energy. She still needs some training as she’s not the best but she’s still really good and has tons of potential if given the right dance trainer to help her harness the energy. Same idea as Jihyo tbh, great energy but needs cleaned up
Honestly, Kep1er has a strong dance line. Like maybe 6 of them? would be in contention for main/lead dancer. But yea, Yeseo does need a bit more training to either stand out more or be in a different group that helps her stand out more.
@@cloudchungxiao imo both her and xiaoting would be perfect centers for different concepts and have a changing center concept but her and Bahiyyih would be added in my lineup and not be filler. The rest was exactly what I was thinking though!
Ohh right. Kinda like Black and Pink or Red and Velvet. Yeseo would be the more teen crush side while Xiaoting got more of the girl crush side?
@@cloudchungxiao yes!!
Not a GG but a BG: Hyunjin from Stray Kidz; I watched the entirity of Mnet's survival show Kingdom that Stray Kid were on and did not realise he wasn't there until after I finished watching the whole show because they were perfect the whole show - nothing (and no one) felt "missing".
he actually does a lot for the group, he serves as the main visual and main dancer (don't underestimate the importance of visuals, they attract so many new fans, look at how huge Hyunjin's OWN fandom is-), I honestly don't think stray kids has any filler members
I know he's got a distinct facial feature or stage presence that makes him stand out I think. He kinda gets mentioned from what I hear so not sure if I would see him as a filler but also don't listen to stray kids like that to be certain. But that's an interesting choice for sure. You mention Kingdom but is the same experience felt with their title tracks that you listen to?
well, this is definitely not how i feel about these groups
Ohh yea for sure, we all see it differently. Are you in the camp that sees all of the members as not fillers or there are some to you but not the ones I stated.
Yeseo is definitely not a filler member.Also Wonyoung.I don’t think centers should be considered as a filler member if they got treated right
Centers kinda mean "nothing" to me. Obviously within the context of kpop industry, you do obviously do something impactful enough where the company wants the idol to be center. However, the way I was forming filler members was based on the three talents, which is obviously how the kpop industry doesn't look at it or other people in general. But yea, thoughts on Yeseo though? She kinda is giving Nako vibes in that she showed so much potential during the show but the minute they debuted, the companies kinda are doing nothing with them
My opinion:
Lightsum:
Hina,Huiyeon, Jian (debatable cause she is one of the rapper)
Kep1er:
Bahiyyih ,Mashiro (sad that she couldn’t really show what she got cause she was way better at gp999)
Izone:
Hyewon,,Hitomi,Sakura,Minju,Nako (Same with Mashiro)
Everglow: Onda (Debatable after First era)
StayC:
Seeun (I don’t know why but Sumin shines for me)
I could kinda see what you mean about Sumin. She is kinda in between J and the others in terms of her voice. Like not bright but not deep like J's. So she can kinda have that balance between the members. Same with Onda. Literally first was her era but to me that was kinda it. Nako and Mashiro literally having the same arc of shining members with relative attention during their survival shows to get nothing once they debuted; like foul.
IMO
Idk really know lightsum so I can’t give an answer.
Kep1er- I agree with this take except I might switch mashiro for yeseo.
Izone- Hitomi, Nako, Minju, Sakura, Hyewon and Wonyoung.
Everglow- Agree
Stayc- I feel like only Seeun is a filler member.
Ohh interesting. Pretty similar with some slight differences. Any other groups you think have a lot of "filler" members
I think I know the 5 groups based off thumbnail, so leaving my guesses!
lightsum: idk the members AT ALL but I think the 2 youngest that left the group
iz*one: Hyewon and minju
everglow: shiyeon and e:u
stayc: sumin and isa or seeun and isa
kep1er: Yujin and yeseo
I’ll edit for what I actually got right lol
lightsum: was right about those 2! I thought it was 2 per group lol
kep1er: yup 🙁💔 was thinking bahi too but I wasn’t sure bc she hasn’t gotten to shine yet
iz*one: yep… but like half of them were filler members here so 😭😭
everglow: both wrong 😭 I think yiren and onda are both great dancers so I didn’t think they’d be in it, but everglow is another group I’m not as familiar with them
stayc: I didn’t pair Sumin and seeun, but I did put both in the mix so I’ll take it
Yea, Onda and Yiren are great dancers but it's one of those things where they have a lot of pretty good dancers where you gotta kinda think about it because will they use them a lot even if they're a good dancer. I mean Yiren technically is the centre but sometimes lowkey doesn't feel like it.
But yea, great guesses. I made a third gen one recently so feel free to guess them again hahaha
Not you coming for my Yujin (Kep1er) and Yiren (Everglow) being my favs in groups and you calling them a fillers.... I thought Yiren was super popular too!
Hahaha woops. Nah honestly, could have put Yujin into potentially third vocalist-ish but the way she's getting lowkey neglected in Kep1er. Like atleast she's experiencing that thriving life with Kep1er compared to her time in CLC but also I hope she gets more prominent era though. As for Yiren, I know she was popping off. She did have that minor or major, not sure, controversy with the whole cultural different where koreans might not be vibing her like that. But she's def still popular in China for sure. But yea, wasn't really looking at popularity as one of my criteria's which the kpop industry defs would have factored that in though
True. For some reasons, they really ignore Yujin in Kep1er, despite her dancing skill. Maybe because the group is composed of many good dancers already?
Yea, they're defs focusing on the other dancers within the group. It's like how Yeseo is another great dancer too, but Idk if they really put much attention on that
stan lightsum
Omg, actually though. How are they gonna announce the departure of two members without a plan to comeback stronger. Plus the news of Sangah in Queendom Puzzle??? Like when is the comback?
I heavily disagree with YIREN. She's a decent dancer, a visual, and a center. how in the world she is a filler member? I'm not a Forever btw
For me, her dancing has not completely captured my attention like that. I've seen her dancing before but I think she kinda gets overshadowed in that category in Everglow. Visuals are pretty meh for me. Not something that I need but alright if that's one thing that she's known for. Then being a center was pretty interesting to find out. Never knew that about her before the video. She almost gave Pre-2020 GIdle vibes of being like Shuhua. Like she was there and did her thing but wasn't completely noticeable within each comeback. But yea, I mean obviously you see it different. Do you consider someone else in Everglow filler or none of them at all?
@@cloudchungxiao Onda is a filler member at least for me
Only one in everglow?
Jay says she is not a rapper
Yea, she may not be a proper "i want to be a " rapper but it feels like she just got allocated that role, which is why I put her as the main rapper.
For everglow the 2 best dancer's are Mia and Onda. Even tho E:U is the main dancer of everglow Onda is better than her.
Ohh really? I haven't seen any Onda dance videos so I might just be missing out or is this like from dancer's analysis on each everglow member?
I agree hina doesnt shine much in my eyes ahaha.
For kep1er i think yeseo and bahiyyih are filler members they dont show any new sides much
For izone Hyewon and wonyoung are filler members they dont really give any powerful performance.
For EVERGLOW, i think fillers are yiren and onda they dont even get lines it explains a lot lol
For STAYC, seeun and sumin they dont really have definable positions
Ayyy, I think we agree with the same people except I have a few more for each of the groups hahaha. For Yeseo though, she kinda feels like she has that Nako treatment. Like really hyped up and popular as during the show but then put in the back during her time in the group
@@cloudchungxiao ikrrr
Loona
I don't follow them well enough to confidently speak about them like that. Have you got an opinion about them though?
Go Won has a whisper tone, Chuu because she struggled to fit most concepts because she’s perma-aegyo, Hyunjin has been described as ‘dancing like she at gun-point’, Viví because her ‘Yeahs’ weren’t doin’ it for me, Choerry 😬 (she is an all-a-rounder but Heejin and Yves were thee all-a-rounder in the group). Simply put Choerry was under utilized. Yeojin and Hyeju are fillers…
Their solo debuts were cute though ^
Half of them
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Did you just call mia a filler?.. 😂😂 what a joke
they didn’t say that?
Hahaha yea, really love the random instigation. what a joke
See how weird that sound? Maybe listen a bit more carefully before you type stuff online so confidently.
Chaewon is the filler member of Le Leserafim.
Ohhh damm, you think she was a filler during iz*one too? and where do you think she shines more; izone or lesserafim?
Definitely not maybe in izone but she shines in leeserafim
Hahaha yea, I thought so too. She shines way more in lesserafim which is surprising because her image kinda suits what Iz*one did
personally i feel that its eunchae n sakura
Sakura feels like she kinda does more now but also I could kinda see what you mean-ish.
Omg
Omg in a good way? or bad way?