Wonderful video. I'd like to mention a few other details that connect the story of Seath with that of Tseldora: - When you defeat Freja, you do not immediately receive the Great Soul. Instead, it is left on the ground right below the dragon's head. There you see threads of spider silk reaching up from the ground to connect to the head. The silk's formation is reminiscent of Seath's Primordial Crystal. What's more, you notice the whole body of Freja vanishes, except for one of her heads. This is likely a nod to the fact you could cut off Seath's tail during the battle. - The layout of Brightstone Cove Tseldora is very much a shadow of The Duke's Archives. You have sorcerers firing blue magic bolts at you from long distances, and instead of Crystal Hollows corrupted by Seath's crystal magic, you have spider-infested Hollows taken by the madness of Tseldora. Instead of crystals permeating the Archives, you have sand swallowing the settlement. The Lord's Private Chambers use the same tileset of bookshelves used in the Archives. And obviously, Tseldora was a Duke, as was Seath. - Lastly, the spiderwebs you traverse to get to Freja's lair are reminiscent of the invisible pathways found in the Crystal Cave.
I also believe that as many NPCs tell you there have been countless kingdoms that have risen and fallen in this land, but why are we playing in this particular age instead of Straid´s Olaphis or some other age of fire? I believe that the North-South pole comments from the developers are the clue; the first game was probably the first age of fire and this is the latest after many other (it was a time metaphor not geographic one) So what makes this particular age so relevant? the fact that Vendrick came the closest to discovering the mystery of the soul...Tseldora, Alvia and Vendrick namely. They discovered that the body is the victim of the curse, and as the body deteriorates it begins to affect the soul itself. So how to stop it? Simply by removing the souls from the vessel into something not affected by the curse. Tseldora merged his soul with his spider, Alvia merged his souls with a Giant and put it inside the Ancient Dragon, and Vendrick simply removed his soul from his body and left it in the Shrine of Amala, just waiting to be reborn in the next cycle and safe from the corruption of the Dark
Dave! I got it! I know why Vengarl´s body is there Tseldora wanted to test if by removing the head from body you also removed the soul. Vengarl´s head still has its personalty and soul and while his body still functions it is literaly a mindless hollow. And lets not forget Freya has 2 heads....
Oh wow, that's a great connection on why Vendrick may have removed his soul. Actually, probably the best theory I've seen yet! Major props to you! On another note - I completely agree with you that there were countless kingdoms/cycles in-between this game and DS1.
DaveControlLive Thanks! been researching facts to backup out all sorts of theories on the cycle and why the sequel was based on this particular Age. Now I feel embarrassed I am hijacking other people´s videos. I will try to make a proper lore video on this once I get my hands on the PC version and can get some footage....don't even let me get started with Straid and the cut lore from the beta :D
Raul vito this is literally the most plausible explanation I have heard so far and honestly you might have hit the hammer on the nail with one like awesome job. DaveControlLive dark souls 2's relationship with darks souls 1 has been the biggest internal debate I have experienced since I started playing ds2. Like First of all, it is called Dark Souls "2", not Dragon Souls, not Giant Souls, not Fire Souls, but Dark Souls... 2. I might be reading too much into it but I think it deserves attention. Secondly, very specific items exist in Dark souls 2 that were also in dark souls 1, that are very unique the best example being the Moonlight Greatsword which is exclusively linked to Seathe. Not to mention the countless spells, specifically the crystal soul pear and homing crystal soul mass which which were exclusive to Big Hat Logan. Spells can travel lands through being taught and adapted, but weapons? I'd also like to mention that spells can be stolen, but they appear in the form of scrolls, and even though for gameplay purposes you can acquire multiple copies it's usually one per playthough. These justbeing some of the many examples Finally, the biggest thing that raises the most questions for are the great souls and lord souls. In Dark Souls 1 when you defeat a "lord" you obtain their soul. In Dark Souls 2 starting in new game +, you obtain a great souls and a lord soul. Why? Why do you only obtain one soul in ds1 and 2 in ds2? were the lord souls the original, and were the great souls their successors? surely if there were more kingdoms there would be different reincarnations of the great/lord souls. Unless there are the only 2 but dialogue from the game suggests not. This could of course purely be for gameplay purposes and have nothing to do with the lore especially with the overwhelming evidence against it, but I'm curious: what does everyone else think? Significant lore information or just gameplay mechanic or somewhere in between. (P.S. this literally keeps me up at night.)
Heh I just spent last nite staying up coming up with a plausible timeline since Vendrick becomes king to the start of the game so I understand perfectly; still bashing my head if the lesser dragons were created by Alvia, cloned or were there to begin this cycle. My take is that the stronger the soul the more likely it is to be reborn in a new cycle. Vendrick´s tidbits make always mention of his strength and how even his queen was drawn by this and the fact that Seath has his soul reborn as a great soul (but not as great as the other 3) proves this. My take is that those great souls are caught in the cycle of death and rebirth and have been reborn countless times as new great ones but always keeping their essence; Seath causes its hosts to seek out new magics and experiments in search on immortality for example.
Just letting you know that of all the Dark Souls lore videos out there, yours is by far the best, they're not too long, have good info, and good delivery. keep it up
this was amazing, my mind is blown. this makes the entire brighstone branch of the world much more meaningful. i always kinda felt that some guy with his mutant spider creations didnt seem to tie in much to the story, but how wrong i was!
Nice to see you draw the connection to Freyja, I really think you're onto something there. Also interesting to note that not only is she a godess of fertility, she also had power over the growth of nature and yet she was also a godess of war and death. All of which suits Duke's Dear Freja pretty well.
I believe that Seath's soul was fully self-aware due to a piece of Tark's dialogue, and THANK YOU for acknowledging the soft j in Freja for the proper pronunciation.
I had pieced together a lot of that, like the connection to Seathe, but not all of it. Good video man. You'll notice in the spiders move sets, like the beam he shoots out at you is highly representative of Seathes very own Crystal magics. Which is something I noticed before learning of the paledragon soul.
I could change into that style (as I did with my Dark Souls Land videos - New Londo, Undead Burg, and Ash Lake), but I like to distinguish where I get my info - so people know when I'm speculating and where I'm getting everything from so they come to their own conclusions.
It's just all very creepy to me that at the end of the battle against Freja, I found the duke really ended up hollowed, just standing there in his private chamber. It literally gave me goosebumps.
I so love this subtle connection from DS1 to DS2 which you only get by talking to NPC multiple times and after certain events and readinf Irem descriptions.
...Yeah I kinda sorta...killed the scorpion guy. It's my first playthrough, and he seemed incredibly menacing, and no orange signs said "don't" so I pumped him full of arrows to never give him a chance to approach me. I thought he was a non-respawning mini-boss.
Giorgo Almirakis Vengarl was NEVER your enemy. His body rampaged after his head was detached, but Vengarl was never explicitly aggressive. Vengarl's body went insane without its head, and kept fighting until you put it down.
The peasants didn't build the tents IMO, the first bonfire in the Brighstone Cove is called Royal Army Campsite and you can summon a lonely royal soldier for the boss fight. I think the soldiers got killed by Freja and the bones you can see in the boss room are theirs.
I love your lore videos. I'm new to the world of Dark Souls, so everytime I finish a new area, I come here too see what I have missed! Your voice is fantastic for storytelling by the way
I could agree with him infusing the Paledrake soul and himself into Freja, if only just because her laser attack looks REALLY similar to one of Seath's spells.
I think you're spot on, almost that is. I believe that Lord Tseldora used his full soul together with seath's to make his little spider what freja is now, that would also explain the two heads aka two personalities. But that cage was a really really good catch, I did not think of that for a single second. Also Vengarl said he was hired by a "king" to fight, and he didn't know what he fought for. I always assumed he was hired by The Old Iron King to defend the huntsman's copse from the hollows taking over, like they have now. But him being hired by Tseldora is also a good possibility, but what would he be fighting for then I wonder..
I don't think he says he was specifically hired by a king, but rather is worried about one. But, it's very plausible he was hired by King Vendrick or the Iron King.
+Amelia Bee I rolled myeyes when I heard that. They beat you over the head with it. It's so obvious that they (Tark, Shalquoir...) are talking about Seathe - the devs didn't need to throw in the word "seethe". That doesn't even make sense. I mean yes, it does, it's obscure, stupid fantasy dialogue, but it was clearly just thrown in as a reference.
iWillWakeYouUp you would think right? but I could see how people would decide to come up with some outlandish theories about how maybe they're not talking about seath
this game is just so fucking awesome. i only played DS1, but i just LOVE watching these video's about the lore. Such a beautifully and masterly created game with intensive and interesting lore
Awesome I always thought The Duke's Dear Freja was Seath's Experiment purely based on the word Duke. I never considered it being Duke Tseldora. This kinda makes that place a little more traggic...
So is the ancient dragon in the duke's dear freja boss room supposed to be seath? It also makes sense since the crystal mines look similar to the crystal cave where seath was killed.
As others pointed out, this isn't Seath - indicated by a couple things: The dragon fossil itself has legs and a larger wingspan than Seath. (Seath has no legs) You get the Paledrake Soul from Freja, yet the Great Soul is actually from the Ancient Dragon, a different being. You can go into the Ancient Dragon's memories and see it was a dragon from the time of the archtrees/gray crags.
DaveControlLive Is it possible there is a link between this dragon soul and Aldia? If we assume there is a link where Aldia creates the Ancient Dragon you encounter in the shrine, could he have worked with Tseldora? Could it be that Aldia was working on some kind of soul transferrance (horrible spelling) and the dragon soul was moved into the spider (which Tseldora may have been excited about) but it didn't work? Or that Aldia moved the duke's soul into the spider? And then somehow he used this fossil to create the Ancient Dragon? We see another large fossil in his mansion. Could that have also come from Brightstone or at the very least is there a link between the fossil skeletons and the dragon he creates? As you've put out in some of your other videos, I think Aldia became the dragon as a way to cheat the curse. Open to other ideas - just finished my first playthrough - great stuff.
DaveControlLive I think it might be Seathe because the ancient dragons were never truly alive and may not have had souls. So what if Seathe's self-experimentation failed because he had the bequeathed soul from Gwyn and he could not perform sorceries, also referred to as the soul arts, without it? So maybe after the Chosen undead takes this soul from Seathe's corpse the enchantment works as intended and eventually transforms the body into that fossilized dragon we find. Also Seathe did aid Gwyn in his war with the dragons so it would make sense that he would have memories of the world before the age of fire. If you disagree then I ask you: what is a dead everlasting dragon doing in the crystal cave where Seathe died instead of Seathe himself?
Just noticed that there is a miniaturized version of the navigation device from the ship at no man's wharf in Tseldora's study, on a table. Perhaps Seathe's blue magic powers the ship. Been lurking these videos a while, finally got sucked into looking for similarities. Good stuff man, as always.
What do you think about the dragon memories being Seathe's guilt and memories from what he saw in the aftermath of Gwyn peeling their scales, the witch burning their homes and Nitos poisoning their defenseless bodies?
I think you may be on to something, only the dragon whose memories you enter DOES seem to have scales for one thing. Just doesn't look like Seath, although it might have been one of the dragons killed before DS1. It does kind of look like the dragons in the intro.
Matt Fletcher For one thing, it can be possible that if you remove 1 scale and then hit that spot again, it could theoretically be possible to kill it, because the scales only work in the sense of keeping what it directly covers alive. To that extent, the dragon in the memory could have been stripped of its scales on its chest and then had a barrage of poisonous miasma and sunlight spears to kill it. But we have no official timeline for WHEN the everlasting dragons were killed, might have been 2 weeks before the chosen undead got out of the asylum for all we know. ...Although, not directly related, but I had a theory that Vinheim was using dragon remains as a foundation for their spells as well as having connections to the paledrake. Ie, Sheath could have told people that dragons have magical blood and that their scales can extend life, and how people can boil down the essence of the soul into sorcery, in return for other types of knowledge or assistance into his research for immortality, after all, he is blind and has alot of human sized books, they could have read the books aloud and wrote down what he said in other books.
KommanderA A lot of depends on if you think an area like Ash Lake/The gray crags exist once again after the fire is linked. The area the memory takes place in has arch trees and gray crags, and is definitely supposed to be like the ancient land when dragons ruled. So, I personally think it's the fossil of an Ancient Dragon from when the world was first formed. But - it still contains a "Great Soul" and that's where we get the Great Soul itself, not from Freja (who has the Paledrake Soul). They're two different souls. If you play in NG+, Freja drops the "Freja Soul" and "Paledrake Soul", but you still need to run to the back where the Ancient Dragon is to pick up the actual "Great Soul". - With that, I think it's possible the power of the Great Soul was used to give Freja its power and size as well as the Paledrake soul, but, that's just a thought.
DaveControlLive I never thought of why said Great Soul had to be picked up next to the fossil. That does make sense, Tseldora probably had kept a spider to experiment on, and fused the Ancient Dragon's Great Soul with the Paledrake Soul INTO the spider or something. I think you said just that in the video iirc. Also, I feel like we need a video done on the Ashen Mist Heart and Ancient Dragon/Shanalotte themselves now. Everyone seems to think AD is Aldia fused with giants as an experiment. I'm still pretty clueless on how Shanalotte was even formed though. Also, shouldn't the Guardian Dragon be a Guardian Drake? Along with the Dragon Aerie dragons, should be Drake Aerie.
I think there's another interesting object in the Duke's room, a sort of compass maybe, on the other table..the same one you can find on the ship after the Flexile Sentry's bossfight, but smaller. Not sure if it could mean something or not..just thought it was worth a mention.
anybody notice the little circle statue thing on the table in the kings secret quarters looks exactly like the same contraption that takes you to another part of the lost bastile (2:32)
Thank you, glad you enjoy my videos! As far as Vaati goes, I'm sure he's just been busy working on various videos. These videos take a long time, and I think sometimes people can forget that.
i am not trying to say he is bad or anything and i know videos take awhile to make but i have not enjoyed a single one of his videos in about a year but thats just my 2 cents on the matter
Cause he's been doing videos like "Why Dark Souls 2 is for everybody". Everybody on his channel is already going to buy DKS2, why even spend time making shit like that. His lore videos still pretty good, but hasn't done very many yet.
Dont forget SilverMont , that guy is good as well . Well at least i like him , he did a nice reaserch on ornstein and old dragonslayer . He is reaserching Side bosses and other stuff . Chek him out if someone hasent
Simply mind-blowing Dave! and it gives me a bit more background on the concept that Tseldora was the first schoolar of this cycle to find the way to somehow transfer a soul, and what is more perhaps even fuse souls together as he apparently did with the soul of Freya. Vendrick would do the same and I have my theories on why the Ancient Dragon soul found later on that dragon corpse states that it used to belong to the Ancient Dragon now in the shrine....perhaps Alvia fused his soul too with a Giant soul and transferred it somewhere else ;)
Just saying but... Tseldora is not a duke, and is never refered to as duke. He's only referred to as lord, and I do think that the title of duke in Duke's Dear Freja,refers to Seathe himself, as he was a duke.
***** Just poking some holes in this statement. Lord is used as a blanket term for royal peerage (at least in the UK). In descending order they go as such: duke,marquis, earl, viscont, baron. In other words all dukes, maruqees earls visconts and barons can be called Lords and conversely all lords are dukes maruqees earls visconts and barons.
Also one of the item descriptions mentions the duke as one eccentric, obsessed with spiders like the other item descriptions referring to Tseldora. Also it mentions the duke as one that takes an inhuman form, implying the duke was human at one point. None of this really fits Seathe
Only just stumbled upon these lore videos and I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed. Your delivery and accurate information and your own theories are very interesting. In my opinion, now that I know some of the lore behind Tseldora and Freja, I think that Tark and Najka's master is indeed Seeth the Scaleless. Because they of that one line Tark says (even in my own playthrough's of the game, that line always stuck with me, I wondered what he meant and I always thought that he may be referring to Seeth as he never could truly die, even in madness. Only reborn, which... as you said is why the Paledrake Soul exists within Freja, as Tseldora fused this soul within his "pet"). You pick out many of the small, tiny hidden things that I never even noticed, such as the small cage in the Duke's chamber possibly encasing Freja at a young age. I also love the fact that the DS1 and DS2 lore kind of interconnects to each other, like how Seeths descent into madness and his souls rebirth (like with the Witch of Izalith too) cause the world of Drangleic to be as lifeless as it is. That these evil souls, even as small portions of their former selves can still cause chaos in the world. I kinda also like the fact that Duke Tseldora and Seeth were pretty similar in how they both were enamoured with research and that they were both obsessed with something in particular (Seeth on immortality and Tseldora with spiders) and that their research and learning eventually became their downfall and caused them to go insane. Very well done, sir. You have a sub. :) Will go on a lore-watching spree now.
One more thing about the Seath thing, there is a spiderweb from the mouth of the stone dragon that looks an awful lot like the primordial crystal. It does not do anything but it seems far too distinct to be an accident.
I really feel like there's more to the story of Vengarld. Why is he body found after the Duke's private chamber and what is it doing there? Is he protecting the bonfire? Is it being used as a bodyguard?
DaveControlLive A whimsical claim would be that his body was taken from the area of impact from his fall, to the Duke's Archives; Tarkus would eventually be a reanimated corpse on a body of a large scorpion created by Seath. Without any hint of evidence or implication, this is pretty much just another piece of fan-fiction really.
BricksPicks Seathe is a magical mad-scientist dragon with fairy wings who's favorite hobby was turning maidens into monsters out of a Lovecraft novel ... is it really that hard to believe he'd go out of his way to do crazy shit to his enemies that would put Frankenstein to shame on nothing more than a whim?
Very nice video! It actually helps me really establish an idea for how Tseldora worked as a society, building downward. The peasants above and those influential within could provide a reason for the undead magus and sorcerers there as well. I never noticed the open cage before, but I'd say you're probably dead on with that too! The only thing i wonder is how important Lord Tseldora himself could have been. I'd say finding him a husk of his former self, weak, mindless, and alone, is telling of his value, though. But that's just my opinion.
Well, we also found Gwyn like that in Dark Souls 1. I think he was incredibly important/influential for that area, but it seems like he just used his wealth on research/spiders and really didn't care about anything else. Also, thank you on the cage! I was excited when I found that.
FueledByHysteria No, his body was in shaded woods, took me by surprise. Was much harder beating him there with other enemies around then in that room with the bonfire. I'm playing the Xbox One version. By the sounds of it there's like 3-4 different versions of DSII you can play lol.
This is one of my favorite areas in the game. It's fascinating that Freja is not actually the "old one" who has the Great Soul. Whereas Old Iron King, Rotten, and Lost Sinner seem to be the physical rebirths of the original 4 souls, it seems that the kindly Duke did not himself consume (??) the Great Soul he found (Seathe's) but rather experimented with it. I like that -- good to see little variations in the set-up of each main area in the game. Fascinating, too, that the Great Soul we "embrace" bu interacting with the dragon fossil is never named, and doesn't appear in the inventory. Freja's soul is smaller, with a different icon. And yet, when entering the dragon's memory to achieve the Ancient Dragon Soul, THAT soul has the same icon as the souls of Lost Sinner, Rotten, etc. Interesting stuff!
My favorite thing about your videos, over all the other Souls lore channels out there, is that you don't try to put on some stupid "spooky voice" to tell the story. You just tell it and let the story be disturbing in its own right. Well done.
I always thought from the description saying the duke took one a form less than human that her perhaps was freja, perhaps merged himself with the spider as he was so fascinated by them he wanted to be one, that could explain why freja has 2 heads, 1 for the normal spider 1 for the duke. As for Vengarl, it would make sense that he was either hired to fight the spiders and stop them spreading or perhaps was hired by the duke to protect his inner sanctum, perhaps the duke going completely insane made him decide to do something about it thus why he lost his head and only his body was kept on?
something to note: at the soldier's campsite, in one of the tents is a soldier helm (the leeroy helm). i wonder if Vendrick sent in soldiers (including Vengarl) to fight the spider outbreak? and that Tseldora, with his crazy thirst for knowledge, was able to slice of Vengarl's head and keep the body for experiments? also never noticed that broken cage... also dat use of music was beautiful :)
I think it's definitely possible (on the campsite)... and I wish I'd mentioned that in the video. Maybe its time for an Addendum. :) Also - I think that's a great and viable Vengarl theory!
DaveControlLive i will admit though, vengarl says he remembers some huge battle, and i think it be hard to forget massive piles of spiders though... but i definitely thing tseldora is responsable for his futurama-style headedness
interesting theory, i always asumed freja was a pet of seths cause seth was called the duke in dark souls1, but untill this video i never noticed the broken cage in the small library so, nice catch
The spiders themselves drop a wide assortment of weapons, probably implying that they looted the knights of Drangleic that came to liberate Brightstone Cove. (the largest pieces of evidence I have for the presence of knights is that they can drop mastodon greatswords and Ricard's rapier[s]) As it seems the cliff-side is one of Freja's favored hunting spots, I think knights and civilians alike ended up boxed inside the church. A few blamed the gods for their bleak situation, and attacked the local man of cloth, Cromwell, in the attic. (as we can see, that didn't turn out too well for them) One figure that fascinates me the most out of this tale is Ashen Knight Boyd, similar to Black Iron Tarkus, as he seems to have made it all the way to Freja's den. What became of him, I have to wonder?
As I see it, Vengarl was hired by Vendrick to deal with the infestation of Tseldora but was beheaded In his way. His body still capable of fighting, kept going, but being a mindless body as it was, couldn´t do anything else but wreck everything that stood in front of him until he reached the dead end where you find him.
Imo, the easiest way to kill freja with melee is to kill all of his goons first (horizontal swing would do), then every time when he fires laser you run to the opposite head and smack it with your weapon and repeat this till he dies.
It is a majorly repeated theme of DS2, things being puppeted and taken over. The Belltower mannequins, the spider undeead of Tseldora, The Rotten, statues that come to life...
freja is the duke's wife fused with seath's soul (hence the 2 heads). he turned her into a giant spider with diamond-hard scales. also, notice that familiar beam it fires out of its mouth?
There is also what seems to be reference to Seath you forgot ornifex mentions it saying that the technique for using souls of great beings to make weapons came from the pale one and that they don't even remember what he was i only mention this because ornifex does indeed live here.
I do believe that the Dragon fossil found is Seathe the Scaleless. One thing worth mentioning is that you don't get the "great soul embraced" message after you defeat dukes Dear Freja. You get it after picking up the soul from under Seathe's fossil. (That seems to be pretty strong evidence that it's Seathe to me) I think that Freja and the Lord tseldora were influenced by the soul after discovering and being near Seathe and his lord soul. That's why tseldora built a small study reminiscent of the Dukes Archives right next to his fossil. His infatuation drove him to madness and everything went downhill from there.
Honestly, I think it means Seath's soul isn't a "Great Soul". We get the Paledrake Soul (Seath's soul) from killing Freja, and you still have to pick up the great soul afterwards. Looking at the dragon fossil, it has legs, Seath has none. Also - you can go into the ancient dragon's memories, and you see it is a dragon who died during the war of the gods vs the dragons, back during the gray crags/arch trees.
You said that the tents up top belonged to the miner's and farmers from Brightstone, but the bonfire is called "Royal Army Campsite". If you go into one of the tents as well you'll see the torso of a soldier on a stand with no arms and a head still wearing armor. There's also a miner standing around some corpses which hold three souls of nameless soldiers and one soul of a proud knight (three soldiers and a captain). This is pure speculation, but I think it's more likely that the army found out about the infestation and came into Brightstone to try and clear it out and got overrun and slaughtered by the hollowed peasants and the spiders.
Great video. Can't wait to see what you, Vaati, Terra Mantis, etc. continue to come up with. I can't help but feel that Dark Souls 2 is a bit more straight forward and lacking in depth than DS1 was, but maybe you guys will interpret things a bit differently. Either way, great job and keep it up!
As fax the moonlight greatsword says in its description “born of a greatwhite being” and also related to crystal sorcery and a drake yep the freja is seath
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Wonderful video. I'd like to mention a few other details that connect the story of Seath with that of Tseldora:
- When you defeat Freja, you do not immediately receive the Great Soul. Instead, it is left on the ground right below the dragon's head. There you see threads of spider silk reaching up from the ground to connect to the head. The silk's formation is reminiscent of Seath's Primordial Crystal. What's more, you notice the whole body of Freja vanishes, except for one of her heads. This is likely a nod to the fact you could cut off Seath's tail during the battle.
- The layout of Brightstone Cove Tseldora is very much a shadow of The Duke's Archives. You have sorcerers firing blue magic bolts at you from long distances, and instead of Crystal Hollows corrupted by Seath's crystal magic, you have spider-infested Hollows taken by the madness of Tseldora. Instead of crystals permeating the Archives, you have sand swallowing the settlement. The Lord's Private Chambers use the same tileset of bookshelves used in the Archives. And obviously, Tseldora was a Duke, as was Seath.
- Lastly, the spiderwebs you traverse to get to Freja's lair are reminiscent of the invisible pathways found in the Crystal Cave.
Tseldora most likely found the great soul and tried to put it to use creating freja
This is pretty much the same conclusion I came to regarding Tseldora, Freja, and Seath. Nice job noticing the wrecked cage, though.
I also believe that as many NPCs tell you there have been countless kingdoms that have risen and fallen in this land, but why are we playing in this particular age instead of Straid´s Olaphis or some other age of fire? I believe that the North-South pole comments from the developers are the clue; the first game was probably the first age of fire and this is the latest after many other (it was a time metaphor not geographic one)
So what makes this particular age so relevant? the fact that Vendrick came the closest to discovering the mystery of the soul...Tseldora, Alvia and Vendrick namely.
They discovered that the body is the victim of the curse, and as the body deteriorates it begins to affect the soul itself.
So how to stop it? Simply by removing the souls from the vessel into something not affected by the curse. Tseldora merged his soul with his spider, Alvia merged his souls with a Giant and put it inside the Ancient Dragon, and Vendrick simply removed his soul from his body and left it in the Shrine of Amala, just waiting to be reborn in the next cycle and safe from the corruption of the Dark
Dave! I got it!
I know why Vengarl´s body is there
Tseldora wanted to test if by removing the head from body you also removed the soul.
Vengarl´s head still has its personalty and soul and while his body still functions it is literaly a mindless hollow. And lets not forget Freya has 2 heads....
Oh wow, that's a great connection on why Vendrick may have removed his soul. Actually, probably the best theory I've seen yet! Major props to you!
On another note - I completely agree with you that there were countless kingdoms/cycles in-between this game and DS1.
DaveControlLive Thanks! been researching facts to backup out all sorts of theories on the cycle and why the sequel was based on this particular Age.
Now I feel embarrassed I am hijacking other people´s videos. I will try to make a proper lore video on this once I get my hands on the PC version and can get some footage....don't even let me get started with Straid and the cut lore from the beta :D
Raul vito this is literally the most plausible explanation I have heard so far and honestly you might have hit the hammer on the nail with one like awesome job.
DaveControlLive dark souls 2's relationship with darks souls 1 has been the biggest internal debate I have experienced since I started playing ds2.
Like First of all, it is called Dark Souls "2", not Dragon Souls, not Giant Souls, not Fire Souls, but Dark Souls... 2. I might be reading too much into it but I think it deserves attention.
Secondly, very specific items exist in Dark souls 2 that were also in dark souls 1, that are very unique the best example being the Moonlight Greatsword which is exclusively linked to Seathe. Not to mention the countless spells, specifically the crystal soul pear and homing crystal soul mass which which were exclusive to Big Hat Logan. Spells can travel lands through being taught and adapted, but weapons? I'd also like to mention that spells can be stolen, but they appear in the form of scrolls, and even though for gameplay purposes you can acquire multiple copies it's usually one per playthough. These justbeing some of the many examples
Finally, the biggest thing that raises the most questions for are the great souls and lord souls. In Dark Souls 1 when you defeat a "lord" you obtain their soul. In Dark Souls 2 starting in new game +, you obtain a great souls and a lord soul. Why? Why do you only obtain one soul in ds1 and 2 in ds2? were the lord souls the original, and were the great souls their successors? surely if there were more kingdoms there would be different reincarnations of the great/lord souls. Unless there are the only 2 but dialogue from the game suggests not. This could of course purely be for gameplay purposes and have nothing to do with the lore especially with the overwhelming evidence against it, but I'm curious: what does everyone else think? Significant lore information or just gameplay mechanic or somewhere in between.
(P.S. this literally keeps me up at night.)
Heh I just spent last nite staying up coming up with a plausible timeline since Vendrick becomes king to the start of the game so I understand perfectly; still bashing my head if the lesser dragons were created by Alvia, cloned or were there to begin this cycle.
My take is that the stronger the soul the more likely it is to be reborn in a new cycle. Vendrick´s tidbits make always mention of his strength and how even his queen was drawn by this and the fact that Seath has his soul reborn as a great soul (but not as great as the other 3) proves this. My take is that those great souls are caught in the cycle of death and rebirth and have been reborn countless times as new great ones but always keeping their essence; Seath causes its hosts to seek out new magics and experiments in search on immortality for example.
Just letting you know that of all the Dark Souls lore videos out there, yours is by far the best, they're not too long, have good info, and good delivery. keep it up
Thank you so much! I truly appreciate it!
this was amazing, my mind is blown. this makes the entire brighstone branch of the world much more meaningful. i always kinda felt that some guy with his mutant spider creations didnt seem to tie in much to the story, but how wrong i was!
Not at all! Glad you enjoyed. :)
"seethe for all eternity" is a pretty strong indirect connection that I don't see pointed out very often
for all the things dark souls 2 got wrong, its story and lore, its bosses and how the bits fit together was so very strong and deep.
Two other nice touches to the game:
1. The unveiling of king Vendrik.
2. The guidance of Aldia
It’s basically a game about the English revolution, fuck the royal family should of been the tag line for DS2
Ah yes here is 1 SUPER BAD ULTIMATE EVIL sin of naming normal NPC's as BOSSES Vs story , lore , other bosses
Clearly ds2 is wrong
It's underrated.
@@sadsworth4605 wtf did you even just say there man wth
Nice to see you draw the connection to Freyja, I really think you're onto something there. Also interesting to note that not only is she a godess of fertility, she also had power over the growth of nature and yet she was also a godess of war and death.
All of which suits Duke's Dear Freja pretty well.
I like how he pronounces "succumbed" as "suck-em'd"
I believe that Seath's soul was fully self-aware due to a piece of Tark's dialogue, and THANK YOU for acknowledging the soft j in Freja for the proper pronunciation.
I had pieced together a lot of that, like the connection to Seathe, but not all of it. Good video man. You'll notice in the spiders move sets, like the beam he shoots out at you is highly representative of Seathes very own Crystal magics. Which is something I noticed before learning of the paledragon soul.
Your lore videos are the best by far. Fast paced and nicely edited.
Impressive as always, especially the start where you told it in a more story book fashion.
I could change into that style (as I did with my Dark Souls Land videos - New Londo, Undead Burg, and Ash Lake), but I like to distinguish where I get my info - so people know when I'm speculating and where I'm getting everything from so they come to their own conclusions.
It's just all very creepy to me that at the end of the battle against Freja, I found the duke really ended up hollowed, just standing there in his private chamber. It literally gave me goosebumps.
Wow, I never noticed that the floor was covered with the old residents. The amount of attention and detail is so crucial to the lore. Thank you.
I so love this subtle connection from DS1 to DS2 which you only get by talking to NPC multiple times and after certain events and readinf Irem descriptions.
...Yeah I kinda sorta...killed the scorpion guy.
It's my first playthrough, and he seemed incredibly menacing, and no orange signs said "don't" so I pumped him full of arrows to never give him a chance to approach me. I thought he was a non-respawning mini-boss.
I fell down and raised my shield in panic the first time. Since he didn't attack i had a pretty awkward staring contest for about a minute.
Really? The entire upper area there was filled with orange signs that said friend ahead and such.
Rukifellth The Shadow
My net cut and I was offline at the time.
draconic33 And yet you expected to see orange signs?
draconic33 oh my god im not the only one
2:32 can be also seen on the ship that trafnsers us to the undead prison
I love the way you use the track "Queen of Drangleic" when you put emphasis on important things. It makes the lore seem more tense.
A lot of people complain about the DaS2 soundtrack, but there are some great songs, and "Queen of Drangleic" in particular. It really sets the mood.
DaveControlLive Honestly I loved the entire soundtrack, excluding Majula's theme. It just drags on me after a while.
DaveControlLive about vengarl why does he help us when he was our enemy
like mildread from the first dark souls
Giorgo Almirakis Vengarl was NEVER your enemy. His body rampaged after his head was detached, but Vengarl was never explicitly aggressive. Vengarl's body went insane without its head, and kept fighting until you put it down.
Giorgo Almirakis Sorry if that sounded mean-spirited. I'm bad with toning in real life and in text. But yeah, Vengarl's body was the only thing.
You pick up the smallest details that pull everything together. Fantastic job. subbed.
The peasants didn't build the tents IMO, the first bonfire in the Brighstone Cove is called Royal Army Campsite and you can summon a lonely royal soldier for the boss fight. I think the soldiers got killed by Freja and the bones you can see in the boss room are theirs.
I love your lore videos. I'm new to the world of Dark Souls, so everytime I finish a new area, I come here too see what I have missed! Your voice is fantastic for storytelling by the way
Excellent binocular camera work, great vid :)
This earned my sub. Nice work.
this guy deserves 5 stars for the video editing and effort, and another 10 for the lore i learnt!
I could agree with him infusing the Paledrake soul and himself into Freja, if only just because her laser attack looks REALLY similar to one of Seath's spells.
I think you're spot on, almost that is. I believe that Lord Tseldora used his full soul together with seath's to make his little spider what freja is now, that would also explain the two heads aka two personalities. But that cage was a really really good catch, I did not think of that for a single second. Also Vengarl said he was hired by a "king" to fight, and he didn't know what he fought for. I always assumed he was hired by The Old Iron King to defend the huntsman's copse from the hollows taking over, like they have now. But him being hired by Tseldora is also a good possibility, but what would he be fighting for then I wonder..
I don't think he says he was specifically hired by a king, but rather is worried about one. But, it's very plausible he was hired by King Vendrick or the Iron King.
THANK YOU, dude. I've been looking on lore of the duke himself for a long time
6:20 Seath...seethe...heh...
+Amelia Bee I rolled myeyes when I heard that. They beat you over the head with it. It's so obvious that they (Tark, Shalquoir...) are talking about Seathe - the devs didn't need to throw in the word "seethe". That doesn't even make sense. I mean yes, it does, it's obscure, stupid fantasy dialogue, but it was clearly just thrown in as a reference.
iWillWakeYouUp you would think right? but I could see how people would decide to come up with some outlandish theories about how maybe they're not talking about seath
Great video! I really enjoy all the connections to Seath in DS2.
The peasant set is better for farming you say? Hmmmmm
this game is just so fucking awesome. i only played DS1, but i just LOVE watching these video's about the lore. Such a beautifully and masterly created game with intensive and interesting lore
Awesome I always thought The Duke's Dear Freja was Seath's Experiment purely based on the word Duke. I never considered it being Duke Tseldora. This kinda makes that place a little more traggic...
So is the ancient dragon in the duke's dear freja boss room supposed to be seath? It also makes sense since the crystal mines look similar to the crystal cave where seath was killed.
Yeah I've also thought that for awhile now. It's possible when Seath died his body became petrified in the cove.
As others pointed out, this isn't Seath - indicated by a couple things:
The dragon fossil itself has legs and a larger wingspan than Seath. (Seath has no legs)
You get the Paledrake Soul from Freja, yet the Great Soul is actually from the Ancient Dragon, a different being.
You can go into the Ancient Dragon's memories and see it was a dragon from the time of the archtrees/gray crags.
DaveControlLive Is it possible there is a link between this dragon soul and Aldia? If we assume there is a link where Aldia creates the Ancient Dragon you encounter in the shrine, could he have worked with Tseldora? Could it be that Aldia was working on some kind of soul transferrance (horrible spelling) and the dragon soul was moved into the spider (which Tseldora may have been excited about) but it didn't work? Or that Aldia moved the duke's soul into the spider? And then somehow he used this fossil to create the Ancient Dragon? We see another large fossil in his mansion. Could that have also come from Brightstone or at the very least is there a link between the fossil skeletons and the dragon he creates? As you've put out in some of your other videos, I think Aldia became the dragon as a way to cheat the curse. Open to other ideas - just finished my first playthrough - great stuff.
DaveControlLive I think it might be Seathe because the ancient dragons were never truly alive and may not have had souls. So what if Seathe's self-experimentation failed because he had the bequeathed soul from Gwyn and he could not perform sorceries, also referred to as the soul arts, without it? So maybe after the Chosen undead takes this soul from Seathe's corpse the enchantment works as intended and eventually transforms the body into that fossilized dragon we find. Also Seathe did aid Gwyn in his war with the dragons so it would make sense that he would have memories of the world before the age of fire. If you disagree then I ask you: what is a dead everlasting dragon doing in the crystal cave where Seathe died instead of Seathe himself?
Just noticed that there is a miniaturized version of the navigation device from the ship at no man's wharf in Tseldora's study, on a table. Perhaps Seathe's blue magic powers the ship. Been lurking these videos a while, finally got sucked into looking for similarities. Good stuff man, as always.
man i have been looking for my dark souls 2 lore fix and you gave it to me!! cant wait for the next one!! really good work you are doing hear.
What do you think about the dragon memories being Seathe's guilt and memories from what he saw in the aftermath of Gwyn peeling their scales, the witch burning their homes and Nitos poisoning their defenseless bodies?
***** That really is quite interesting. I don't think anyone has ever thought about that. It definetly could be actually.
I think you may be on to something, only the dragon whose memories you enter DOES seem to have scales for one thing. Just doesn't look like Seath, although it might have been one of the dragons killed before DS1. It does kind of look like the dragons in the intro.
Matt Fletcher
For one thing, it can be possible that if you remove 1 scale and then hit that spot again, it could theoretically be possible to kill it, because the scales only work in the sense of keeping what it directly covers alive.
To that extent, the dragon in the memory could have been stripped of its scales on its chest and then had a barrage of poisonous miasma and sunlight spears to kill it.
But we have no official timeline for WHEN the everlasting dragons were killed, might have been 2 weeks before the chosen undead got out of the asylum for all we know.
...Although, not directly related, but I had a theory that Vinheim was using dragon remains as a foundation for their spells as well as having connections to the paledrake.
Ie, Sheath could have told people that dragons have magical blood and that their scales can extend life, and how people can boil down the essence of the soul into sorcery, in return for other types of knowledge or assistance into his research for immortality, after all, he is blind and has alot of human sized books, they could have read the books aloud and wrote down what he said in other books.
KommanderA A lot of depends on if you think an area like Ash Lake/The gray crags exist once again after the fire is linked.
The area the memory takes place in has arch trees and gray crags, and is definitely supposed to be like the ancient land when dragons ruled. So, I personally think it's the fossil of an Ancient Dragon from when the world was first formed.
But - it still contains a "Great Soul" and that's where we get the Great Soul itself, not from Freja (who has the Paledrake Soul). They're two different souls. If you play in NG+, Freja drops the "Freja Soul" and "Paledrake Soul", but you still need to run to the back where the Ancient Dragon is to pick up the actual "Great Soul".
- With that, I think it's possible the power of the Great Soul was used to give Freja its power and size as well as the Paledrake soul, but, that's just a thought.
DaveControlLive I never thought of why said Great Soul had to be picked up next to the fossil. That does make sense, Tseldora probably had kept a spider to experiment on, and fused the Ancient Dragon's Great Soul with the Paledrake Soul INTO the spider or something. I think you said just that in the video iirc.
Also, I feel like we need a video done on the Ashen Mist Heart and Ancient Dragon/Shanalotte themselves now. Everyone seems to think AD is Aldia fused with giants as an experiment. I'm still pretty clueless on how Shanalotte was even formed though. Also, shouldn't the Guardian Dragon be a Guardian Drake? Along with the Dragon Aerie dragons, should be Drake Aerie.
Another so very entertaining video - I loved it Dave! Great interpretations.
I think there's another interesting object in the Duke's room, a sort of compass maybe, on the other table..the same one you can find on the ship after the Flexile Sentry's bossfight, but smaller. Not sure if it could mean something or not..just thought it was worth a mention.
There is - I noticed this as well.
I'm not sure if it means anything or is just a decoration, I did think on it, though.
anybody notice the little circle statue thing on the table in the kings secret quarters looks exactly like the same contraption that takes you to another part of the lost bastile (2:32)
Thanks for all of the lore videos. It makes me so happy to know more about such an amazing game. Keep em' coming :-)
finally some one that does lore and does not complety copy vaatis videos (ps hes gone done hill ) subscribed
Agreed with everything exactly minus the type (down hill) xD
Thank you, glad you enjoy my videos!
As far as Vaati goes, I'm sure he's just been busy working on various videos. These videos take a long time, and I think sometimes people can forget that.
i am not trying to say he is bad or anything and i know videos take awhile to make but i have not enjoyed a single one of his videos in about a year but thats just my 2 cents on the matter
Cause he's been doing videos like "Why Dark Souls 2 is for everybody". Everybody on his channel is already going to buy DKS2, why even spend time making shit like that. His lore videos still pretty good, but hasn't done very many yet.
Dont forget SilverMont , that guy is good as well . Well at least i like him , he did a nice reaserch on ornstein and old dragonslayer . He is reaserching Side bosses and other stuff .
Chek him out if someone hasent
Simply mind-blowing Dave! and it gives me a bit more background on the concept that Tseldora was the first schoolar of this cycle to find the way to somehow transfer a soul, and what is more perhaps even fuse souls together as he apparently did with the soul of Freya.
Vendrick would do the same and I have my theories on why the Ancient Dragon soul found later on that dragon corpse states that it used to belong to the Ancient Dragon now in the shrine....perhaps Alvia fused his soul too with a Giant soul and transferred it somewhere else ;)
6:33 you have a very peculiar way of pronouncing of succumbed...
Just saying but... Tseldora is not a duke, and is never refered to as duke. He's only referred to as lord, and I do think that the title of duke in Duke's Dear Freja,refers to Seathe himself, as he was a duke.
That's a great point!
Thanks for pointing it out! :)
***** Just poking some holes in this statement. Lord is used as a blanket term for royal peerage (at least in the UK). In descending order they go as such: duke,marquis, earl, viscont, baron.
In other words all dukes, maruqees earls visconts and barons can be called Lords and conversely all lords are dukes maruqees earls visconts and barons.
Also one of the item descriptions mentions the duke as one eccentric, obsessed with spiders like the other item descriptions referring to Tseldora. Also it mentions the duke as one that takes an inhuman form, implying the duke was human at one point. None of this really fits Seathe
Awesome job Keep them coming!
Very Very interesting
Thanks
wow these videos are really good I can't get enough of them! you're in the same league as ENB and vaatividya! I'm glad I found ya.
Thank you so much - that's a huge compliment!
Great vid! Would like to see an update for Scholar, as now the Falconers occupy the camp site and Vengarl is no longer there
Only just stumbled upon these lore videos and I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed. Your delivery and accurate information and your own theories are very interesting.
In my opinion, now that I know some of the lore behind Tseldora and Freja, I think that Tark and Najka's master is indeed Seeth the Scaleless. Because they of that one line Tark says (even in my own playthrough's of the game, that line always stuck with me, I wondered what he meant and I always thought that he may be referring to Seeth as he never could truly die, even in madness. Only reborn, which... as you said is why the Paledrake Soul exists within Freja, as Tseldora fused this soul within his "pet").
You pick out many of the small, tiny hidden things that I never even noticed, such as the small cage in the Duke's chamber possibly encasing Freja at a young age. I also love the fact that the DS1 and DS2 lore kind of interconnects to each other, like how Seeths descent into madness and his souls rebirth (like with the Witch of Izalith too) cause the world of Drangleic to be as lifeless as it is. That these evil souls, even as small portions of their former selves can still cause chaos in the world.
I kinda also like the fact that Duke Tseldora and Seeth were pretty similar in how they both were enamoured with research and that they were both obsessed with something in particular (Seeth on immortality and Tseldora with spiders) and that their research and learning eventually became their downfall and caused them to go insane.
Very well done, sir. You have a sub. :) Will go on a lore-watching spree now.
Dude you really have im quality... Im really impressed!
Nicely done Dave, keep up the good work.
Your Souls Videos are really great, this one in particular opens up so many thoughts , thanks for sharing them!
One more thing about the Seath thing, there is a spiderweb from the mouth of the stone dragon that looks an awful lot like the primordial crystal. It does not do anything but it seems far too distinct to be an accident.
This was rly awesome man, thank you
your thoughts on the cage holding freja makes sense, as that may be why the boss is called the Duke's Dear Freja.
literally every video "This once magnificent soul continues to exert influence over the land, even after the eons have reduced it to these remnants."
Dude, mind blown!! Great video
im really enjoying these lore videos man, the dark souls universe is really interesting. Keep up the good work :)
Thank you! I'm glad you're enjoying. :)
This is so interesting, love your videos on all this! Really sets the mind's gears going :D
Great videos man I've always just watched Vaati's stuff but these are just as good. You now have one more subscriber.
Thank you so much! I'm really glad to hear that!
Was hyped when I heard you mention this video was coming up while watching your stream. Nice work!
Glad to hear I didn't disappoint! Also - thanks again for watching the stream. :)
I really feel like there's more to the story of Vengarld. Why is he body found after the Duke's private chamber and what is it doing there?
Is he protecting the bonfire?
Is it being used as a bodyguard?
Marcus also speculated if Tark is actually the transormed Black Iron Tarkus. Pretty interesting, as well...
Personally, I don't think that's the case. But, hey, who knows! :)
DaveControlLive A whimsical claim would be that his body was taken from the area of impact from his fall, to the Duke's Archives; Tarkus would eventually be a reanimated corpse on a body of a large scorpion created by Seath.
Without any hint of evidence or implication, this is pretty much just another piece of fan-fiction really.
Allomite It dosent make much sense anyway, why would Seath send down serpents to fetch a random body in a corner?
BricksPicks Seathe is a magical mad-scientist dragon with fairy wings who's favorite hobby was turning maidens into monsters out of a Lovecraft novel ... is it really that hard to believe he'd go out of his way to do crazy shit to his enemies that would put Frankenstein to shame on nothing more than a whim?
It's badass how Vengarl helps with the final fight.
GUTSSU
Great video mate, never really thought about any of this :)
did he mispronounce succumbed?
+joseph gomez Yes.
+joseph gomez Yah. And in the last video it was bosom. At least he got Freja right.
+Joshua Nene bruh. uncalled for.
dude who cares
+Joshua Nene how do you know about freja? is freja an english base name? :)
Very nice video! It actually helps me really establish an idea for how Tseldora worked as a society, building downward. The peasants above and those influential within could provide a reason for the undead magus and sorcerers there as well. I never noticed the open cage before, but I'd say you're probably dead on with that too! The only thing i wonder is how important Lord Tseldora himself could have been. I'd say finding him a husk of his former self, weak, mindless, and alone, is telling of his value, though. But that's just my opinion.
Well, we also found Gwyn like that in Dark Souls 1.
I think he was incredibly important/influential for that area, but it seems like he just used his wealth on research/spiders and really didn't care about anything else.
Also, thank you on the cage! I was excited when I found that.
This is so well done....I'm already craving dark souls 3 lol
I loved this video so much
So with Vangal not being there in Scholar of the First Sin, what does that mean? In that version he is in Shaded Woods.
Makes much more sense for him to be there where his head was
FueledByHysteria No, his body was in shaded woods, took me by surprise. Was much harder beating him there with other enemies around then in that room with the bonfire.
I'm playing the Xbox One version.
By the sounds of it there's like 3-4 different versions of DSII you can play lol.
This is one of my favorite areas in the game. It's fascinating that Freja is not actually the "old one" who has the Great Soul. Whereas Old Iron King, Rotten, and Lost Sinner seem to be the physical rebirths of the original 4 souls, it seems that the kindly Duke did not himself consume (??) the Great Soul he found (Seathe's) but rather experimented with it. I like that -- good to see little variations in the set-up of each main area in the game.
Fascinating, too, that the Great Soul we "embrace" bu interacting with the dragon fossil is never named, and doesn't appear in the inventory. Freja's soul is smaller, with a different icon. And yet, when entering the dragon's memory to achieve the Ancient Dragon Soul, THAT soul has the same icon as the souls of Lost Sinner, Rotten, etc. Interesting stuff!
My favorite thing about your videos, over all the other Souls lore channels out there, is that you don't try to put on some stupid "spooky voice" to tell the story. You just tell it and let the story be disturbing in its own right. Well done.
I always thought from the description saying the duke took one a form less than human that her perhaps was freja, perhaps merged himself with the spider as he was so fascinated by them he wanted to be one, that could explain why freja has 2 heads, 1 for the normal spider 1 for the duke.
As for Vengarl, it would make sense that he was either hired to fight the spiders and stop them spreading or perhaps was hired by the duke to protect his inner sanctum, perhaps the duke going completely insane made him decide to do something about it thus why he lost his head and only his body was kept on?
3:50 well this would explain way that boss has two heads
wow.. didn't think I'd end up watching all of these videos...
You definitely gave it a greater horror setting, it seems Tseldora was a very messed up person in the end.
The way you pronounce "succumbed" blows my mind aha
something to note: at the soldier's campsite, in one of the tents is a soldier helm (the leeroy helm). i wonder if Vendrick sent in soldiers (including Vengarl) to fight the spider outbreak? and that Tseldora, with his crazy thirst for knowledge, was able to slice of Vengarl's head and keep the body for experiments?
also never noticed that broken cage... also dat use of music was beautiful :)
I think it's definitely possible (on the campsite)... and I wish I'd mentioned that in the video.
Maybe its time for an Addendum. :)
Also - I think that's a great and viable Vengarl theory!
DaveControlLive
i will admit though, vengarl says he remembers some huge battle, and i think it be hard to forget massive piles of spiders though... but i definitely thing tseldora is responsable for his futurama-style headedness
Just for reference, the Old Paledrake Soul is the remaining fragment of the soul given to Seath The Scaleless by the Witch of Izalith
No.
The soul that Seath has is a fragment of Gwyn's soul.
I love how the more we get into the lore the more we see the connection to dks1.
interesting theory, i always asumed freja was a pet of seths cause seth was called the duke in dark souls1, but untill this video i never noticed the broken cage in the small library so, nice catch
Thanks! I was pretty excited when I noticed what that was.
Anybody notice how similar its beam attack was to Seathes?
The spiders themselves drop a wide assortment of weapons, probably implying that they looted the knights of Drangleic that came to liberate Brightstone Cove. (the largest pieces of evidence I have for the presence of knights is that they can drop mastodon greatswords and Ricard's rapier[s])
As it seems the cliff-side is one of Freja's favored hunting spots, I think knights and civilians alike ended up boxed inside the church. A few blamed the gods for their bleak situation, and attacked the local man of cloth, Cromwell, in the attic. (as we can see, that didn't turn out too well for them)
One figure that fascinates me the most out of this tale is Ashen Knight Boyd, similar to Black Iron Tarkus, as he seems to have made it all the way to Freja's den. What became of him, I have to wonder?
6:23 So that he may seethe. SEETHE = SEATH. I think this is a thumbs up to your point. :)
Subscribed. Good job sir!
As I see it, Vengarl was hired by Vendrick to deal with the infestation of Tseldora but was beheaded In his way. His body still capable of fighting, kept going, but being a mindless body as it was, couldn´t do anything else but wreck everything that stood in front of him until he reached the dead end where you find him.
I seriously cleaned my bong today, how convenient. To continue the age of high! Long live Dave Control Live!
Imo, the easiest way to kill freja with melee is to kill all of his goons first (horizontal swing would do), then every time when he fires laser you run to the opposite head and smack it with your weapon and repeat this till he dies.
It is a majorly repeated theme of DS2, things being puppeted and taken over. The Belltower mannequins, the spider undeead of Tseldora, The Rotten, statues that come to life...
freja is the duke's wife fused with seath's soul (hence the 2 heads). he turned her into a giant spider with diamond-hard scales. also, notice that familiar beam it fires out of its mouth?
Mr. Lahey
Frig off, Mr. Lahey!
Why do i want to cry every time i see seath screaming on the pile of murdered dragons?
Looking forward to more Dark Souls 2 Lore videos from you. Watched ALL Dark Souls 1 Lore videos. :D
Thanks! I appreciate it, and hope you enjoy my upcoming vids!
There is also what seems to be reference to Seath you forgot ornifex mentions it saying that the technique for using souls of great beings to make weapons came from the pale one and that they don't even remember what he was i only mention this because ornifex does indeed live here.
awesome video!
I do believe that the Dragon fossil found is Seathe the Scaleless. One thing worth mentioning is that you don't get the "great soul embraced" message after you defeat dukes Dear Freja. You get it after picking up the soul from under Seathe's fossil.
(That seems to be pretty strong evidence that it's Seathe to me)
I think that Freja and the Lord tseldora were influenced by the soul after discovering and being near Seathe and his lord soul. That's why tseldora built a small study reminiscent of the Dukes Archives right next to his fossil.
His infatuation drove him to madness and everything went downhill from there.
Honestly, I think it means Seath's soul isn't a "Great Soul". We get the Paledrake Soul (Seath's soul) from killing Freja, and you still have to pick up the great soul afterwards.
Looking at the dragon fossil, it has legs, Seath has none.
Also - you can go into the ancient dragon's memories, and you see it is a dragon who died during the war of the gods vs the dragons, back during the gray crags/arch trees.
I'm a Malay guy and majulah means onward, I wonder if this related to the game :\
You said that the tents up top belonged to the miner's and farmers from Brightstone, but the bonfire is called "Royal Army Campsite". If you go into one of the tents as well you'll see the torso of a soldier on a stand with no arms and a head still wearing armor. There's also a miner standing around some corpses which hold three souls of nameless soldiers and one soul of a proud knight (three soldiers and a captain). This is pure speculation, but I think it's more likely that the army found out about the infestation and came into Brightstone to try and clear it out and got overrun and slaughtered by the hollowed peasants and the spiders.
Great video. Can't wait to see what you, Vaati, Terra Mantis, etc. continue to come up with. I can't help but feel that Dark Souls 2 is a bit more straight forward and lacking in depth than DS1 was, but maybe you guys will interpret things a bit differently. Either way, great job and keep it up!
Ah, that makes sense, the dukes dear freja makes spiders. Henze the name.
As fax the moonlight greatsword says in its description “born of a greatwhite being” and also related to crystal sorcery and a drake yep the freja is seath