Seraphism feels insanely strong. I really wonder if we're gonna see more Scholar/Sage comps just due to how much raw healing power it has. Kinda wish the transformation itself looked a little better though. Those wings look kinda ugly and I dunno if turning into an angel really gels with its aesthetic
SCH is so weird because it's had some of the best healing and mitigation tools in the game but its gameplay and theming have been all over the place. 🤣
I don't get people who say this. Nymian scholars channeled fairies and that's been their thing since. They mimic the way Nymian scholars wardrobe. Their whole thing was using Arcanima to bind and channel Fae creatures for their restoration abilities. You're an Arcanist who heals through Fae. So yea they make sense thematically
ngl, knowing how much SE is scared of adding too many buttons this expansion, scholar specifically being one of the few to get another button on their hotbar is a little funny
That is true! I used to have Summon Seraph in the same spot as Temperance/Neutral Sect/Physis II... now, it is moved to a blank (but unfortunately out-of-the-way) spot that I generally reserve for dps burst windows, and Seraphism takes that "superheal" hotbar spot. Physis II, obviously, will also have to be moved elsewhere, and Philosophia will be on the same "superheal" spot as well. In addition to the already high button count, Place and Heel are also part of my main hotbars so I don't need to click on my Pet Hotbar with my mouse to use them.
It looks strong, for sure. I don't think it really addresses what I was looking for in SCH though. I was hoping it would get even a bit closer to its roots, but it seems to be going further away. I'm also amazed that they didn't do anything with the Dissipation, or especially the Fairy Gauge
Everyone's super hype on Seraphism, but idk... we cast GCDs so rarely these days that it feels like in 90% of situations its just a regen. I just wish SCH didn't have to give up damage to do cool things like the other healers.
...rare? What kind of content do you do where casting a GCD heal is rare? Do you only parse 24/7 or something? I have to do it in casual content when tanks don't mitigate, or the DPS are terrible. (and this was the norm rather than the exception heading into Dawntrail...) I have to do it when I help people get their first savage clears and shit hits the fan. I have to do it when I do ultimates or criterion. I mean obviously if you mean "using GCD heals throughout the entire fight", yeah, sure, GCD heals are rare... but like, if you're doing that in the first place you're playing healer wrong... If anything, this skill means that scholar is finally actually capable of doing full recovery by itself, rather than just dropping a Succor, Indom, Soil, and praying...
@@Cherryblossoms110 I would count once or twice an instance as rare, yes. Ultimate and Criterion would be in that 10% where you actually use the GCDs, but unless you spend all your time in them, for general gameplay, the regen would cover the healing needed. I think why I’m so down on the skill is that it’s another skill that dissipation disables, leading to more anti-synergy in a kit that already has spells that disable each other, on top of being yet other big cool button scholar has that costs damage to use, like all aetherflow heals and deployment. Scholar is the only healer that needs to actively lose damage to do cool stuff, and this is just another skill that does that.
Brother, if it was just a second charge to Whispering Dawn that itself would be nice and pretty useful, but you are telling me it comes with all these little benefits that I can use if I ever happen to need them? Heck yes. I love this ability, because sure you don't need it all the time, but when you do need it it's like an I WIN button. Doesn't matter how hard the DPS try (and they try _really_ hard), they are not dying when Seraphism is up.
Kinda surprised BOTH Dissipation and ED are untouched at the same time (given change one could very well solve the "issue" or "unintended use" of the other) Esp since their focus is to improve the ease of use this expansion iirc. Just some random thoughts about how I may change them... 1. Combine Dissipation and Aetherpact: Fairy stops Embrace and channels the scholar for 30s. Refresh all aetherflow abilities. During it, the next 3 aetherflow abilities don't cost aetherflow but also don't give Faerie gauge. Effect ends upon using 3 abilities, or using any fairy skill that intercepts the channeling, or the total 30s expires. 2. Combine Ruin II and ED: Ruin II: Instant GCD deals damage equals to Broil. Require ~30 Faerie Gauge. Incentive not to overcap on aetherflow while "reward" mobility for healing. Using Lustrate no longer means you or your party member messed up and should compensate the loss of Aetherpact/Fey Union as imo union feels clunky to use in the first place...
While seraphism is awesome, I still dont like seraph xD Really was hoping for some sort of ogcd shield on Sch, bec having to wait 2 gcds to get to press the actual shield button and then having to wait for Seraph to execute the shield is sooo annoying. I even would have settled for single target shield. Guess Sch now is def Nr 2 reactive healer.
Is it confirmed that recitation works on manifestation with seraphism? I presumed it did since it's the same skill, but the tooltip for recitation doesn't explicitly name it. Either way, excited to play SCH for another expac!
I'm not sold with the changes that come to Sch. Healingwise is a fucking monster capable of mitigation that no other healer can match but the kit is already so bloated that we rarely need to use that healing strenght on barely any content. I wish we would have gotten out dots or removed tools back because those were buttons we actually used on all the content. (Especially since Sge got a 1m cd and the 30s aoe dot that is gain on 1, they are losing in strength but winning in fun). The most relevant changes come from something that could have easily been a patch update (Recitation Cd reduction, Baneful impaction and chain duration increase) and the lv100 skill, as powerful as it may be doesn't feel like a Sch skill at all, its as if the dev's idea of Sch were "Whm with fairy/angel" and called it a day.
I'll be honest, I rarely ever use dissipation, I use it when and if I need emergency aether flow for healing and never as extra damage through energy drain, heck, I don't dump the flow into drains unless I see I have flow left and the cool down for aether flow is about to come back. I'd rather lose dissipation all together and just get a total of 4 aether flow.
But what you just described is literally the perfect reason for it to exist. You dont have to use it all the time, it's fantastic as a recovery tool, like you said. Change your mentality, the skill is just fine! Nobody is forcing you to use it, but it provides a really cool addition to the jobs skill ceiling for those who do, on top of being a great recovery tool.
I love the addition of a AoE dot behind ChainStrat because now i have a reason to press the button during dungeon mob pulls. Surprised energy drain is still there but Im happy with the changes. See you all in DT.
Im hoping SE would fix class identity on healers but we may have to wait for another 2 years for that to happen zzz i feel like the healers are out of place this expansion
As a scholar main, i went nuts when i saw an ability that changed the outfit in the job trailer and was so curious about what it was. Now that i know, I'm even more hype!
I remember when energy drain was removed for a month when ShB was released. It was quickly brought back and I think because of that energy drain is probably going to stay for a while.
I really wish Dissipation was altered. Like can SE lean into the DPS aspect of the skill or something. I want more interaction with the Faerie, not to banish her to the shadow realm.
I always put SCH on the top of the healing class (strong in dps, buff, heals), only downside is the clungyness made me permanent SGE for shield healing. SCH is easy to start but insanely difficult to use all the tools efficiently. SGE only requires some pre-planing and you are good to go.
Baneful Impaction is nice, but being locked behind a 2 minute cooldown is a huge disappointment, especially when Scholar used to have Miasma, Bane, Miasma II, and Shadow Flare. Seraphism also seems like a huge hit to the job's visual and thematic identity and has gotten a lot of backlash for its aesthetic dissociation from the job. Really hope we can see changes to the healers without needing to wait another 2.5 years for the next expansion. #FFXIVHealerStrike
They didn't even upgrade Broil, Glare etc. so we'll be spamming the same spell for 5+ years and scholar and astro get a single OGCD sprinkled in every 2 minutes. absolute joke
@@PKcrash A great middle ground I've seen is just letting the player toggle whether or not they want their character to transform with Seraphism as well as Enshroud. Even if the community was 100% in agreement that it was on brand, it still will clash with a lot of people's preferred glamour and the canon of their character. Giving players the choice is the best direction, I think.
The new healing looks nice. However, will it be used with the increased mitigation and sustain in DPS and tanks? Right now #FFXIVHealerStrike is happening because they feel like the additions and changes to healers and the apparent lack of changes to encounter design. No matter how good a new healer kit looks, will it matter if it never gets used again?
a couple thousand healers deciding not to play healer in roulette content really will not change anything lol, especially when it's 99% just casuals upset that the casual easymode content does not hit as hard as a savage or ultimate raid (they see some ultimates be done without healers and assume it just doesn't do a lot of damage, but the reality is doing it healerless is a HUGE accomplishment)
@@heavensborne Trying to project a negative depiction on people you do not know to bolster your point with no evidence. Cool. All any of them are doing is deciding to stop playing a class they do not like, and asking for a class they would like.
@@lukahcasshe6197 Those people already have the class they would like though. When they describe wanting "engaging healer gameplay" or "something else to do when they don't have to heal" they just describe Magical Ranged DPS or act as if Cleric Stance or more DoTs made healers more interesting when they didn't. I do agree that healers and tanks are too powerful for most content, but I doubt the devs are just going to strip away abilities or nerf tank self sustain just to make a vocal minority happy for 2 secs. before they start complaining about something else like they always do. So those people can stop playing the class they don't like and play Magical Ranged DPS, cool, but acting like that's going to make any degree of difference in queues/PF in Dawntrail or that the playerbase or devs should care is both hilarious and delusional because in reality they're a vocal minority on the forums that don't even represent the majority of the healer playerbase. If that healer strike meant anything you'd start to see it take affect right now yet all I see are tanks and even DPS more in need than healers so either they're full of crap and don't intent on "striking" or they make up such a small minority of the playerbase that it doesn't matter if they strike or not. What they should be arguing for is making the game more challenging as a whole which I would agree with, not whining that the role no one is forcing them to play, doesn't play like another role already in the game...
@@lukahcasshe6197 This isn't conjecture or projection. There is evidence. Just pick any 10 random healers in support on that thread and look up their logs. At most, maybe 1% of them have ever cleared any Savage floor, and I've yet to see a single one play Astrologian. (Wow it's almost like Astrologian mains are content are something) The leader of the movement doesn't even fucking main healer. If you actually knew how healer worked you'd understand they're complaining about nothing because Astrologian has literally everything they're asking for (complex DPS rotation, uniqueness, weak oGCD heals), but they actively choose not to play that job, because they don't actually know what they want. They're actively trying to make the easiest healers less accessible because either: - They're too scared or too terrible at the game to get into savage/ultimate - They're elitists who want to make the easiest healers harder to play because they're too scared to play Astrologian And they're doing it by taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge on healer DPS rotations. If you actually spoke to actual healer mains who gave a shit about their DPS, you would easily come to understand that healer's rotation is not just 12111..112. Just like how if you tried to understand BLM's rotation, you would understand that it's not just 11112111... BECAUSE IT ISN'T. There's slide casting (which most of the healers in the thread are also terrible at), optimizing resources, getting buffs out in time, etc. It's such a bad joke Listen, do you want to know why I and most other healer players don't care for the strike? Well, first, because they're making healers look bad which is embarrassing. And because it's a bunch of losers trying to make the game worse and force people to depend on them because they can't face their own weaknesses. (I think the average person would call these types of people, uh, "toxic".) If they got they wanted and Square Enix reverted healer back to how it was, it would actively make the game worse for casual players, and even worse for players with disabilities. The more important you make healer in casual content, the less people will want to play healer, and the longer queues will take. The more difficult you make healer's rotation, the less people will want to play healer, and the longer queues will take. The less healing/mitigation abilities other roles have, the more apathetic they become to damage intake and healers. And do you know who will end up taking all of the emotional baggage for mistakes because they took away recovery options from non-healer roles? YEAH, THE HEALER. IT'S A LOSE LOSE SITUATION FOR EVERYONE, JUST BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO DO DIFFICULT CONTENT OR PLAY A DIFFICULT CLASS LIKE BRO, W H A T? Sincerely, Not a healer main, but still plays healer more than all of those "healer mains", enough to have cleared the current savage tier on 3 different healers, and enough to have developed an abhorrent hatred for queueing in duty finder as a healer because the tanks won't fucking mitigate..
SCH changes look really cool but it's absolutely disheartening how poorly SGE is treated in comparison just because its somewhat "easier" to play. Less utility, less mitigation, and less rDPS compared to what's supposed to be a counterpart. They already had to buff Sage in like every patch in Endwalker despite it being a competent job already just to try to maintain some semblance of parity and it's looking like the gap is going to be even wider in Dawntrail unless theres some significant potency changes between media tour and live build.
As long as these healing tools will actually be useful Its a nice update If not, then its a huge demerit as many fights can already be cleared with minimal uses of GCD and even oGCD healing abilities.
Thank The Twelve they didn't remove Dissipation. It's a little silly adding Baneful Impaction after just recently stripping Miasma from us, though. If they really think giving us back an AoE DoT, but locked behind another ability's timer, makes "more interesting gameplay" the dev team _really_ doesn't have a clue about how healers actually play in content.
Now I've been main SCH since ARR, so I think I know what I'm talking about. That said, while the new changes are "good," they're not at all what the class needed. It's already got plenty of mitigation and healing and I'm confident in saying it can carry the healing for any raid party solo. The problem is that the job does not synergize with any of the other healers (including itself) and the kit is so bloated that you're forced to press extra buttons to achieve the same results that SGE can get for less. For example, Yoshi said during one of the live letters that they wanted SCH to be able to lean more into their direct heals, yet dissipation cannot be used while Seraphism is in effect Likewise, none of the pet skills can be used while dissipation is in effect. You may say Seraphism is good and it is, but perhaps a bit too good at hat it does. You effectively become a healing/barrier powerhouse That's not really a bad thing but you do SOOOOO much over healing it's crazy. Especially when some of that could have gone into potential DPS instead.
Recitation is my favourite button on Scholar, so being able to use it more is a win in my book. I'm not really a high end Scholar so I don't know if I'll be in positions where I'll need Seraphism, but I'll definitely use it. I'm surprised we didn't get any changes to the Faerie Gauge. I'm good with converting Aetherflow to Faerie Gauge. Faerie Gauge to Fey Union is fine too. It just feels like there's a step missing. Like if Fey Union changed Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination and Fey Blessing into stronger variants with a Faerie Gauge. Seraphism and Seraph both feel like abilities that should cost Faerie Gauge. But it's better they don't, just for ease of use. Not really a fan of Energy Drain and Dissipation. I'd much rather have the Summoner's version of Energy Drain, with the Aetherflow gain and Further Ruin effect included. I'm curious, do people use Dissipation for the 20% increases to healing magic potency or just the Aetherflow?
The increased 20% healing pot. is useful for situations where you want to brute-force/cheese a mechanic. For TOP P2 my group chose to stack all our groups mits to facetank the meteors. As SCH, I stacked Protraction+Fey Illum + Dissipation to spread a thick recit critlo along with Soil + Expedience + Seraph. Another time it came in handy was during P8SP1 when my partner for Dog 2 died. Stacking a super shield with Dissipation + Soil let me live the "pair" stack and recover. Another case where the increased healing could be useful is when you need raw heal throughput (P10S Harrowing Hell w/o a proper mit/heal plan + a cohealer). Outside of that, the extra healing is kind of overkill for a casual plan, though it can be useful to spread a super shield to guarantee your party makes it to your prog point or sees a further point in a fight. You can actually cheese a lot of Normal content due to the way that most debuffs are only applied if you take direct damage to your HP. If you have a large enough shield and enough mitigation, such that you take 0 damage to your health, you won't get a debuff applied. For example, the Lopporit's expert dungeon that was at the start of 6.0 featured a mechanic at the last boss that placed mines. I noticed that people tended to forget the mines at the front and run into them when they tried to keep hitting the boss, so I used Dissipation and everything else to just super shield and tank the mine freely. Was it needed? No, but it's not like I was doing anything in Expert Roulette as a healer anyways. As for dissipating purely for Aetherflow, it depends on what type of party I'm in. During prog, I only use it as a recovery tool, mainly after I'm ressed or I mismanaged my AF. Trading your fairy when you have no gauge, mana, and Seraph + Recit are on CD AND there's a raidwide coming up for 3 AF to be used on an emergency indom/soil to try and see further into a pull is a very good trade. Even in cases where we hit enrage and damage needs to be optimized, the first things I prioritize as a healer are my movement + GCD heals. Missing 1-2 Broils & dropping Bio is a much greater loss than stressing about a handful of EDs I lose from holding Dissipation. During farm, I still tended to save Dissipation as a recovery tool to try and secure a clear, but some fights are so boring that I did start trying to find when I could dissipate for a free 3 EDs. That said, I find that the gain is minor for most pf / casual parties and are only impactful when you're speedrunning and in a group which plans all their mits&cooldowns, so I tend to prioritize dragging the party to the end of the fight. TL;DR, yea there's a couple cases where Dissipation is useful as a recovery tool. Using it to grab 3 extra EDs is mainly reserved for speedkilling / optimization.
IMO, the +20% healing is situationally useful since it only affects gcd heals and they already heal well enough. But like Cure 3, when that situation pops it is very handy. But most SCH just use it for the extra aetherflow for more Energy Drain during a burst window.
The only thing i dislike by the scholar is the Seraph transformation of the fairy. Not, because it would be bad. But, because i never find the right moment to use it. It feels allways as if the normal kit is enough for protection and healing.
Not a massive SCH main (I dabble) but I'd like a change to Energy Drain to increase the potency of the next GCD; healing or damage. Or something similar. 30% would make the damage approximately equivalent to current when used with broil. Fits the theme better in my opinion and gives it flexibility. ED + Adlo/Succor for massive shield or (when comfy) with Biolysis or Broil for damage.
This would make things way worse for the job, effectively all this would do is make healing even more punishing to the job as doing anything other than spending gauge on ED is a massive dmg loss. If we wanted to bring it in line then the only way to really resolve the issue is to make ED a cd and not a spender. But doing that removes a lot of decision making
@@rivvysenpai Could you explain how it would be any different from now if it equates to the same potency for damage. Would just give more flexibility if it applied to healing as well.
@TheHellsOutsider This is under the assumption the 100 ED potency is untouched and its a pick and choose system you're proposing rather than a heres both, but to elaborate. SCH is the only healer atm that trades potential damage for potential healing, adding any damage increases to ED means healing with any gauge ability is a even bigger damage loss than it already is. Ontop of GCD healing being a dmg loss entirely, and its just a lose lose situation. (I think lvl 100 sch broil is 315 potency, but let's assume it is, each energy drain under your concept turns a broil cast into 409.5 potency, thats a gain of 94.5 per usage, so each ED not spent for dmg purposes is a nearly 100 potency loss. Not including the ED cast potency itself mind you.) Think of it kinda like TBN, if your shield doesn't break you end up losing alot of potency, same concept here applies with SCHs ED vs healing. Id have to imagine the reason it works this way is to compensate for SCH having a raid buff vs SGE. But ultimately the current job philosophy has too much friction with itself, which is unfortunate.
@@rivvysenpai I'm saying instead of the current potency; which would keep it almost the same as it is now but give more versatility if used with healing. In top level play, it wouldn't change much but at prog, a buffed Adlo/succor can mean the difference between this an the next mechanic. Because as it is now is, as you said, a damage loss no matter what. I agree a better rework would be better but they took it away and people complained that there was no damage spender so they put it back. I'm saying this is a more versatile alternative to what it is now. Not a perfect fix which I don't know what would be one other than possibly letting Aetherflow be a 2 step activation with the first on a healing ability and then that triggers a use of ED. But then you're using healing abilities just to get another ED so........as long as there is a damage option on ED, it's always gonna be a give and take.
Honestly I like the idea of being to heal through attacking as a sage but never felt it was that good on its own. However on my scholar, if I set up my shields just right I felt alot safer attacking compared to sage but that's just me. Been playing scholar since heavensward so maybe I'm biased😂
My issue with Energy Drain is that even at lvl 90, its damage literally competes with my autoattacks in terms of total contribution. Additionally, it feels like an utter waste to use on trash packs when the tank doesn't need much healing. I can either drown in Aetherflow with less mp, dump Aetherflow on redundant heals, or dump Aetherflow on a single-target 100 potency while my Art of War II is doing 180 for *each* enemy. Also, call me crazy, but I have not met a single person that finds the heal portion of Energy Drain useful...
I bet they're waiting until the Energy Drain potency is so negligible that the players beg them to remove it. Just to spite us for wanting to keep it. 😂
when my friends made fun of me last expansion for my speed and now they all love speed buff XDDD now they're making fun of my angel transf but im loving it ngl !!!
This fear of jobs being too busy and streamlining jobs just makes the game feel mundane. I'm actually not the least bit excited for the expansion after the job changes
Always has been. I'm happy I get another expansion of the comfiest and most braindead high level dungeon job in the game. The only job that doesn't make expert roulette feel like an absolute chore.
i rarely play scholar because the fairy job fantasy is lame to me, but i'm glad to see it staying winning, i always respected scholar main not giving a damn about most mechanics lol
I still dislike ED. I'd rather have Excog's CD removed so I can use that as a dump for future healing. Even moreso, I HATE Dissipation. The first time I used it back in SB and it didn't resummon Eos - remember THAT?? - god, I've always hated that ability. The idea of it, it running counter to lore and SCH's identity working with their partner, that it has ANTI-synergy with everything else in the kit besides PHYSIC, and that it's just used in practice for more Energy Drain...I'm looking forward to just removing it from my bars. Parses be damned, I don't care anymore. OTHERWISE, good god does SCH look amazing. I'm gonna rock WHM/SCH this expansion, with a minor in SMN and...probably PLD though maybe GNB, I haven't decided on my Tank yet...
SCH is so stupid OP that theyre going to nerf them shortly after expac begins. The sheer amount of healing throughput blows every other healer out of the water no comparison.
Dissipation more a offensive tool now? Seraphism if you got the manna should be enough for burst healing phases. Drop a Disspation after Seraphism if necessary.
Dissipation desperately needs a rework man, if the want to keep fairy lockout; how bout something like giving constantly regening aetherflow? or faster gcd akin to presence of mind? spitballing here, something to change that tempo of broil spam
Disclaimer: my personal opinion. I wish that Energy drain was removed and Baneful impaction replacing energy drain as an aetherflow spender. To balance it out, maybe reduce the uptime from 15 to 10 seconds, or nerf the Potency slightly down to like 120 or even 100 per tick, and it would be a way better and more fun way of spending Aetherflow, while having the option to uptime the Debuff on single target, or having more options on when to use it, like in Dungeons or any content where you deal with a good chunk of Mobs. For how its in the game right now, it doesnt make a lot of sense to me, if it was a very strong single target debuff, then obviously it would be well reserved for things like Bosses or strong Mobs where you could throw it on, but its an AOE debuff ability, locked behind a 2 minute single target debuff, which is just badly designed in my opinion.
it feels a bit... confused? to put an aoe damage over time ability behind a two minute CD single-target boss-buster like, in dungeons are you expected to waste chain strategem before the boss just to actually get some use out of the aoe dot? or just waste the aoe part and get a second dot on the single boss?
Dam its hard to choose what healer to level up. Used to play astro, never touched white mage and now im trying sage and scholar a bit. I don't want anything too easy. Is Scholar fun to play and not too simple?
Sch requires combining actions to get the most out of it. For example, you have a skill that spreads a shield from one target to the whole party. So you use a strong single target shield and spread it. But then you have an ability that auto crits a shield spell. So now you have auto crit + shield + spread. But wait, you have a buff that trades your fairy for +20% healing. So +20% + auto crit + shield + spread. But wait, why spend 2 seconds casting the shield when you can insta cast while moving? Why not add 10% mitigation to make that shield stronger? And another 10% with a speed boost? Why not add another 10% healing to your shield target before spreading? And on and on... The spell chains get redonkulous. Or if you just want to sit back and let Eos do the healing, you can do that too.
@@karenpojar2514 haha that sounds crazy how far you can take it. :D Sounds like its worth trying and hard/interesting to learn how much of that comboing is needed in any given situation. Downside might be in any sudden heavy preasure situation scholar might be in trouble if you didn't see it coming. If you have no time to prepar that big combo. :D I'm mainly contemplating Scholar vs Sage since they are both shield healers. Probably still continue playing astro on the side.
@@stebateus7730 Sage provides a more streamlined experience, with more "big buttons" that you can press on their own, whereas Scholar has a lot more nuance as karenpojar detailed in their example. But Scholar isn't that bad at recovering or dealing with pressure, you still have the possibility of kitchen sinking a bunch of stuff as spamming a few GCD heals if need be. Especially now with both Seraphism and Dissipation, you have a lot of panic buttons.
Erg tbh regarding energy drain... Like, just rework that. I understand the whole optimisation thing, I love optimsation but... ffs 100 potency. Like I'd rather not have it so that I don't feel I have to dissipate and do wonky quadra weaving for 400 potency... (and then I have to replace the god damn fairy). And can they do something about freaking dissipation? 180s CD, it's suppose to be on par with macrocosm, lillibell, seraphism and AoEKardia thingy... Like seriously, 180s for 300 potency? I really hope they just add more dps spell, rework energy drain next xpac. And why were SCH so mad at its removal but fine that SGE had no dump? If anything it's even more annoying on sage because it's tied to the mp economy.
SCH's always been the better healer... 3 different mitigations with 3 different timers while SGE has to be ridiculously tight with Kerachole, with only Holos as a buffer... I've had to do stupid shit in P12 like deliberately dropping it 5 seconds early so that Kerachole can catch the next raidwide The only real thing SGE has got going for it is that it is braindead easy to do high damage with it Oh, and Panhaima
The fact that dissipation either wasnt changed or removed just annoys me to no end. I absolutely hate that move and despite the overall strength of scholar, dissipation alone made me reroll to sage early into endwalker. It's just so damn archaic at this point and one of the worst parts of the job, especially since they just keep adding more and more abilities that have anti-synergy with it.
I love dissipation and the utility it provides is invaluable. Full Aetherflow is insane. If you tried to learn the class a little better you wouldnt run into this issue. It takes planning to know when to use it, but that's part of the skill ceiling of Scholar. Instead of asking the game to change, why not try adapting?
@@owendawg1 Because dissipation shouldnt lock you out of a third of your kit to give you a healing buff that doesn't even work with the abilities it enables. More aetherflow is nice and all but the fact the 20% extra healing doesnt work with your ogcds heals and then you also lose access to your fairy for 30 seconds just feels awful.
@@KlockoArtwhy not? That's a downside of the ability. You say it shouldnt, but why shouldnt it? Just because you said so? The ability is fine. Change your mentality instead of asking for the game to change around you and you'll be a lot happier. It's fine for things to have downsides. And thematically eating your fairy to empower yourself is also cool.
I hate energy drain...but it needs to exist unless aetherflow gets changed on how it works. I would prefer aetherflow turning leftover stacks into extra mp, but as it stands we need a way to dump them before it comes back off cooldown. Also, Dissipation can kindly piss off.
If you hate Energy Drain play Sage. It's an extraordinary method for skill expression in a game that doesnt have much left. Same with Dissipation. You can clear content without pressing it, you arent being hurt by the existence of Energy Drain. Stop whining for the players who love it and consider it an integral part of the class.
@@owendawg1 i do play SGE in savage. Why would i not play the better job? It's cool people like SCH. I just think it's funny that people defend a button that takes away the identity of the job, and they use it for damage 99% of the time instead of its intended Increased healing effect. If you don't voice complaints, SCH is effectively gonna stay in its development bubble for the rest of time.
@@cleyra8550using it for damage is also part of it's intended effect, and if you're a good player in high end content you absolutely do use it for bigger shields. Also you just watched a video demonstrating how Scholar will be the best healer for the 12th year in a row. If you prefer Sage that's fine, but then stop whining about somebody else's class. It's not for you. The decision making with energy drain is the crux of the class.
@@owendawg1 i play it all, but in hard content, i prefer SGE movement and not having to trade damage for parts of my kit. SCH is a relic in need of a rework. And crazy thing is, i can complain about whatever the fuck i want, just like you're entitled to your opinion. Don't assume I don't play jobs, just like how I won't assume you don't know what you're talking about. Since you're the SCH main obv, tell me how you'd use aetherflow to make your shields bigger, cuz id like to know.
I hate aetherflow. It just enhances everything that makes healer parsing dumb and creates extremely toxic gameplay patterns. Now they have even stronger non-aetherflow healing options. I foresee some very stupid Scholar logs if its possible to survive while never spending aetherflow on healing in Savage.
There is nothing toxic about learning how much healing you need to spend on Aetherflow and playing accordingly. If you're meeting healing checks you have nothing to complain about. If you're not that's a player issue, not a class design issue.
@@owendawg1 i would agree except that all savage content can be solo healed. I don't feel like there is anything interesting about 99 parsing damage when you are 0 parsing heals.
But you're making up an imaginary scenario. If you arent using aetherflow heals you're absolutely losing damage overall by forcing your cohealer to use more GCD heals. That's just objectively contributing less damage to the group, and isnt something to worry about because only bad players using tools that are against ToS would ever be doing that (or players in a coordinated group trying to inflate their imaginary numbers.) Neither is a real factor if you're just playing the game normally with most players. @@guffels
Sorry. But dissipation stays stupid. I've said it on other videos/platforms but the whole point of sch is to use the fairy to help heal and then we get an ability that removes them... very counterintuitive
It's a tradeoff for a ludicrously powerful skill. It's okay for things to have drawbacks. It isnt hurting you by existing, and it makes the job fantastic at recovering and adds a ton to the skill ceiling. If it isnt hurting you, why whine so much?
@owendawg1 oh God please get off the high horse. Yes it can have drawbacks but when it eliminates half of your kit it's kinda whack. What's worse is no other healer has anything like this
@@silmarilion2667you get off your low horse. You're begging for a part of the class that I enjoy to be removed because you feel bad that you cant use it right, I'm gonna tell you to get good and stop whining. It locking you out of different skills is what makes it interesting. Try using it at the end of a dungeon pull so that you can get the healing buff for your shields for the next pull and have fresh aetherflow. It's fine for a skill to punish you for using it incorrectly. The game already caters to people who refuse to put effort into their classes, I think it's good if some skills are legitimately punishing.
I'm so glad SCH finally got the ability to change into an angel that they were all lobbying to get for so long. Congrats SCH! This proves that SquareEnix really does listen.
@@owendawg1 as a tank main, I personally don’t mind when they overheal bc they’re healers. IMO, that’s priority one. Scholars especially have a hard time healing atm
Seraphism's forced transformation is a major turnoff for me. I have spent resources to glamour my wol only to transform into a KKK follower, instead of a military tactician. I hope this gets changed or removed. Gone are also the opportunity costs it once had. And where's my GCD Shadowflare and Rouse? Still dealing with unnecessary bloat of having a demi-summon and a gauge that 1 ability makes use. The demi-summon and gauge can be removed and be replaced with the superior Rouse. #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
Sure its still the best healer, but its fun? Chain strat follow up just feel underwhelming, and seraphism is cartoonish at the best of time, unnecessary and stupid at the worst of time
Bro im so sick of Energy Drain Managing Aetherflow is fine, but also feel like SCH ends up being too conservative with resources half the time because "oh but energy drain" which on one hand is good for new players, but on the other kind of dictates alot of how Aetherflow abilities and balanced But on the other hand, i cannot stand "PF Energy Drain Scholars" who are just jorkin it to grief and get their 100 potency OGCD And i think thats my main issue Its a 100 OGCD ffs, and it looks stupid Ive had to stare at this god awful thing for like 9 years I just want something new Id much rather Aetherflow granted Energy Drain STACKS as well as standard Aetherflow, and then using those EDs would make your next Broils instant cast or something Just some kind of interaction, that fits into SCH existing "prep-Healer" fantasy, where youre planning your instant casts before using them or whatever, be it for movement or double weaving Literally ANYTHING but "huehue i deny the party Soil for 100 potency" Its just cringe
That's not an issue with the class, but the player. If your party isnt using soil it's either because they dont need to, or they're just bad. Dont fault the class for the players. It's a really fun push and pull for those of us who actually want to play the class well.
@owendawg1 Cool thanks guy who can't read the part where I say "PF SCH", and the already well known and established behaviours of those people I don't see what that has to do with everything else I said anyway Very valuable comment
Those aren't scholars. Those are dps mains who think they know scholar. lol It's not the job, it's the player as the person you replied to said. Play with a scholar that knows what they are doing. Then you'll change your mind.
![[FFXIV] Astrologian in Dawntrail: An Analysis and Thoughts](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HuRwuFbsMgI/mqdefault.jpg)
through jank and clunk, i will never give up on my beloved scholar
They could never make me hate SCH
There is really not much jank left to the class at all honestly. Apart from ghosting skills with Seraph nothing is really jank with the class.
They should make the official change for the job abbreviation from SCH to GOAT
FUCKING TRUE
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scholar and ast goin crazy
So does whm
AST going crazy until the MP runs out
@@aspookyscaryskeleton1474you're doing it wrong
@@TheSometimeAfterDT mana currently is net negative
@@Pikachu-qr4yb *SGE tears*
Seraphism feels insanely strong. I really wonder if we're gonna see more Scholar/Sage comps just due to how much raw healing power it has.
Kinda wish the transformation itself looked a little better though. Those wings look kinda ugly and I dunno if turning into an angel really gels with its aesthetic
I doubt it, Sage overwrites a lot of scholar's shields even if they're worse so a lot of scholars just get annoyed when they're with a sage.
SCH stays winning
More like, SCH starts winning xd
SCH is gonna absolutely manhandle raidwides
My favorite healer which is funny because I hated the idea of a book
SCH is so weird because it's had some of the best healing and mitigation tools in the game but its gameplay and theming have been all over the place. 🤣
My take on SCH is that it's so incohesive, but that is offset with raw ogcd healing+mit power unmatched by any other healer.
I don't get people who say this. Nymian scholars channeled fairies and that's been their thing since. They mimic the way Nymian scholars wardrobe. Their whole thing was using Arcanima to bind and channel Fae creatures for their restoration abilities.
You're an Arcanist who heals through Fae. So yea they make sense thematically
ngl, knowing how much SE is scared of adding too many buttons this expansion, scholar specifically being one of the few to get another button on their hotbar is a little funny
& SMN literally got nothing 😂
That is true! I used to have Summon Seraph in the same spot as Temperance/Neutral Sect/Physis II... now, it is moved to a blank (but unfortunately out-of-the-way) spot that I generally reserve for dps burst windows, and Seraphism takes that "superheal" hotbar spot. Physis II, obviously, will also have to be moved elsewhere, and Philosophia will be on the same "superheal" spot as well.
In addition to the already high button count, Place and Heel are also part of my main hotbars so I don't need to click on my Pet Hotbar with my mouse to use them.
Wait, the thumbnail said best healer, but this video isn't about warrior.
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Was going to go SGE this tier but now I’m tempted to do SCH again lol. Appreciate your insights and looking forward to your sge video
It looks strong, for sure. I don't think it really addresses what I was looking for in SCH though. I was hoping it would get even a bit closer to its roots, but it seems to be going further away. I'm also amazed that they didn't do anything with the Dissipation, or especially the Fairy Gauge
you know what would be sick if we could spend fairy gauge on dmg :o
I've been waiting on your thoughts!!
Everyone's super hype on Seraphism, but idk... we cast GCDs so rarely these days that it feels like in 90% of situations its just a regen. I just wish SCH didn't have to give up damage to do cool things like the other healers.
...rare? What kind of content do you do where casting a GCD heal is rare? Do you only parse 24/7 or something?
I have to do it in casual content when tanks don't mitigate, or the DPS are terrible. (and this was the norm rather than the exception heading into Dawntrail...)
I have to do it when I help people get their first savage clears and shit hits the fan.
I have to do it when I do ultimates or criterion.
I mean obviously if you mean "using GCD heals throughout the entire fight", yeah, sure, GCD heals are rare... but like, if you're doing that in the first place you're playing healer wrong...
If anything, this skill means that scholar is finally actually capable of doing full recovery by itself, rather than just dropping a Succor, Indom, Soil, and praying...
@@Cherryblossoms110 I would count once or twice an instance as rare, yes. Ultimate and Criterion would be in that 10% where you actually use the GCDs, but unless you spend all your time in them, for general gameplay, the regen would cover the healing needed.
I think why I’m so down on the skill is that it’s another skill that dissipation disables, leading to more anti-synergy in a kit that already has spells that disable each other, on top of being yet other big cool button scholar has that costs damage to use, like all aetherflow heals and deployment. Scholar is the only healer that needs to actively lose damage to do cool stuff, and this is just another skill that does that.
Brother, if it was just a second charge to Whispering Dawn that itself would be nice and pretty useful, but you are telling me it comes with all these little benefits that I can use if I ever happen to need them? Heck yes. I love this ability, because sure you don't need it all the time, but when you do need it it's like an I WIN button. Doesn't matter how hard the DPS try (and they try _really_ hard), they are not dying when Seraphism is up.
Kinda surprised BOTH Dissipation and ED are untouched at the same time (given change one could very well solve the "issue" or "unintended use" of the other)
Esp since their focus is to improve the ease of use this expansion iirc.
Just some random thoughts about how I may change them...
1. Combine Dissipation and Aetherpact:
Fairy stops Embrace and channels the scholar for 30s. Refresh all aetherflow abilities.
During it, the next 3 aetherflow abilities don't cost aetherflow but also don't give Faerie gauge.
Effect ends upon using 3 abilities, or using any fairy skill that intercepts the channeling, or the total 30s expires.
2. Combine Ruin II and ED:
Ruin II: Instant GCD deals damage equals to Broil. Require ~30 Faerie Gauge.
Incentive not to overcap on aetherflow while "reward" mobility for healing. Using Lustrate no longer means you or your party member messed up and should compensate the loss of Aetherpact/Fey Union as imo union feels clunky to use in the first place...
Thank you for the video Mr. Momo!
As a SCH main I am exited!
I picked up sch when progging TOP and honestly Im never looking back. This will be my ulti prog beast forevermore.
While seraphism is awesome, I still dont like seraph xD Really was hoping for some sort of ogcd shield on Sch, bec having to wait 2 gcds to get to press the actual shield button and then having to wait for Seraph to execute the shield is sooo annoying. I even would have settled for single target shield. Guess Sch now is def Nr 2 reactive healer.
Is it confirmed that recitation works on manifestation with seraphism? I presumed it did since it's the same skill, but the tooltip for recitation doesn't explicitly name it.
Either way, excited to play SCH for another expac!
Rinon confirmed it iicr
sweet, thanks!
I'm not sold with the changes that come to Sch.
Healingwise is a fucking monster capable of mitigation that no other healer can match but the kit is already so bloated that we rarely need to use that healing strenght on barely any content. I wish we would have gotten out dots or removed tools back because those were buttons we actually used on all the content. (Especially since Sge got a 1m cd and the 30s aoe dot that is gain on 1, they are losing in strength but winning in fun).
The most relevant changes come from something that could have easily been a patch update (Recitation Cd reduction, Baneful impaction and chain duration increase) and the lv100 skill, as powerful as it may be doesn't feel like a Sch skill at all, its as if the dev's idea of Sch were "Whm with fairy/angel" and called it a day.
Im loving the sch changes, however i would like more dmg buttons
I'll be honest, I rarely ever use dissipation, I use it when and if I need emergency aether flow for healing and never as extra damage through energy drain, heck, I don't dump the flow into drains unless I see I have flow left and the cool down for aether flow is about to come back. I'd rather lose dissipation all together and just get a total of 4 aether flow.
But what you just described is literally the perfect reason for it to exist. You dont have to use it all the time, it's fantastic as a recovery tool, like you said. Change your mentality, the skill is just fine! Nobody is forcing you to use it, but it provides a really cool addition to the jobs skill ceiling for those who do, on top of being a great recovery tool.
I love the addition of a AoE dot behind ChainStrat because now i have a reason to press the button during dungeon mob pulls. Surprised energy drain is still there but Im happy with the changes. See you all in DT.
Im hoping SE would fix class identity on healers but we may have to wait for another 2 years for that to happen zzz i feel like the healers are out of place this expansion
As a scholar main, i went nuts when i saw an ability that changed the outfit in the job trailer and was so curious about what it was. Now that i know, I'm even more hype!
Thank you for the video, I still believe that Sch's needs fundamental touch ups but Glad to know it's getting better in dawntrail.
I remember when energy drain was removed for a month when ShB was released. It was quickly brought back and I think because of that energy drain is probably going to stay for a while.
I really wish Dissipation was altered. Like can SE lean into the DPS aspect of the skill or something. I want more interaction with the Faerie, not to banish her to the shadow realm.
I always put SCH on the top of the healing class (strong in dps, buff, heals), only downside is the clungyness made me permanent SGE for shield healing.
SCH is easy to start but insanely difficult to use all the tools efficiently. SGE only requires some pre-planing and you are good to go.
Baneful Impaction is nice, but being locked behind a 2 minute cooldown is a huge disappointment, especially when Scholar used to have Miasma, Bane, Miasma II, and Shadow Flare. Seraphism also seems like a huge hit to the job's visual and thematic identity and has gotten a lot of backlash for its aesthetic dissociation from the job. Really hope we can see changes to the healers without needing to wait another 2.5 years for the next expansion. #FFXIVHealerStrike
Scholar shoulda got triple dot back you right
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They didn't even upgrade Broil, Glare etc. so we'll be spamming the same spell for 5+ years and scholar and astro get a single OGCD sprinkled in every 2 minutes. absolute joke
Honestly I feel like seraphism fits in well since its still within the fairy/combat medic theme. I do agree though that I miss dot sch.
@@PKcrash A great middle ground I've seen is just letting the player toggle whether or not they want their character to transform with Seraphism as well as Enshroud. Even if the community was 100% in agreement that it was on brand, it still will clash with a lot of people's preferred glamour and the canon of their character. Giving players the choice is the best direction, I think.
Time for me to use even less brainpower when i'm healing a dungeon. Pog
The new healing looks nice. However, will it be used with the increased mitigation and sustain in DPS and tanks? Right now #FFXIVHealerStrike is happening because they feel like the additions and changes to healers and the apparent lack of changes to encounter design. No matter how good a new healer kit looks, will it matter if it never gets used again?
a couple thousand healers deciding not to play healer in roulette content really will not change anything lol, especially when it's 99% just casuals upset that the casual easymode content does not hit as hard as a savage or ultimate raid (they see some ultimates be done without healers and assume it just doesn't do a lot of damage, but the reality is doing it healerless is a HUGE accomplishment)
@@heavensborne Trying to project a negative depiction on people you do not know to bolster your point with no evidence. Cool. All any of them are doing is deciding to stop playing a class they do not like, and asking for a class they would like.
@@lukahcasshe6197 Those people already have the class they would like though. When they describe wanting "engaging healer gameplay" or "something else to do when they don't have to heal" they just describe Magical Ranged DPS or act as if Cleric Stance or more DoTs made healers more interesting when they didn't. I do agree that healers and tanks are too powerful for most content, but I doubt the devs are just going to strip away abilities or nerf tank self sustain just to make a vocal minority happy for 2 secs. before they start complaining about something else like they always do. So those people can stop playing the class they don't like and play Magical Ranged DPS, cool, but acting like that's going to make any degree of difference in queues/PF in Dawntrail or that the playerbase or devs should care is both hilarious and delusional because in reality they're a vocal minority on the forums that don't even represent the majority of the healer playerbase. If that healer strike meant anything you'd start to see it take affect right now yet all I see are tanks and even DPS more in need than healers so either they're full of crap and don't intent on "striking" or they make up such a small minority of the playerbase that it doesn't matter if they strike or not.
What they should be arguing for is making the game more challenging as a whole which I would agree with, not whining that the role no one is forcing them to play, doesn't play like another role already in the game...
No actual healer main is taking the healer strike seriously.
You'll see when DT drops.
@@lukahcasshe6197 This isn't conjecture or projection. There is evidence. Just pick any 10 random healers in support on that thread and look up their logs. At most, maybe 1% of them have ever cleared any Savage floor, and I've yet to see a single one play Astrologian. (Wow it's almost like Astrologian mains are content are something)
The leader of the movement doesn't even fucking main healer.
If you actually knew how healer worked you'd understand they're complaining about nothing because Astrologian has literally everything they're asking for (complex DPS rotation, uniqueness, weak oGCD heals), but they actively choose not to play that job, because they don't actually know what they want.
They're actively trying to make the easiest healers less accessible because either:
- They're too scared or too terrible at the game to get into savage/ultimate
- They're elitists who want to make the easiest healers harder to play because they're too scared to play Astrologian
And they're doing it by taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge on healer DPS rotations.
If you actually spoke to actual healer mains who gave a shit about their DPS, you would easily come to understand that healer's rotation is not just 12111..112.
Just like how if you tried to understand BLM's rotation, you would understand that it's not just 11112111... BECAUSE IT ISN'T.
There's slide casting (which most of the healers in the thread are also terrible at), optimizing resources, getting buffs out in time, etc.
It's such a bad joke
Listen, do you want to know why I and most other healer players don't care for the strike?
Well, first, because they're making healers look bad which is embarrassing.
And because it's a bunch of losers trying to make the game worse and force people to depend on them because they can't face their own weaknesses. (I think the average person would call these types of people, uh, "toxic".)
If they got they wanted and Square Enix reverted healer back to how it was, it would actively make the game worse for casual players, and even worse for players with disabilities.
The more important you make healer in casual content, the less people will want to play healer, and the longer queues will take.
The more difficult you make healer's rotation, the less people will want to play healer, and the longer queues will take.
The less healing/mitigation abilities other roles have, the more apathetic they become to damage intake and healers.
And do you know who will end up taking all of the emotional baggage for mistakes because they took away recovery options from non-healer roles?
YEAH, THE HEALER.
IT'S A LOSE LOSE SITUATION FOR EVERYONE, JUST BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO DO DIFFICULT CONTENT OR PLAY A DIFFICULT CLASS
LIKE BRO, W H A T?
Sincerely,
Not a healer main, but still plays healer more than all of those "healer mains", enough to have cleared the current savage tier on 3 different healers, and enough to have developed an abhorrent hatred for queueing in duty finder as a healer because the tanks won't fucking mitigate..
With sge pure heals buffed even more, I feel like sch + sge is going to be even stronger... which is crazy
SCH changes look really cool but it's absolutely disheartening how poorly SGE is treated in comparison just because its somewhat "easier" to play. Less utility, less mitigation, and less rDPS compared to what's supposed to be a counterpart. They already had to buff Sage in like every patch in Endwalker despite it being a competent job already just to try to maintain some semblance of parity and it's looking like the gap is going to be even wider in Dawntrail unless theres some significant potency changes between media tour and live build.
As long as these healing tools will actually be useful
Its a nice update
If not, then its a huge demerit as many fights can already be cleared with minimal uses of GCD and even oGCD healing abilities.
Thank The Twelve they didn't remove Dissipation. It's a little silly adding Baneful Impaction after just recently stripping Miasma from us, though. If they really think giving us back an AoE DoT, but locked behind another ability's timer, makes "more interesting gameplay" the dev team _really_ doesn't have a clue about how healers actually play in content.
love your vid MOMO!
here we go boys, seraph cosplay is coming
Now I've been main SCH since ARR, so I think I know what I'm talking about. That said, while the new changes are "good," they're not at all what the class needed. It's already got plenty of mitigation and healing and I'm confident in saying it can carry the healing for any raid party solo. The problem is that the job does not synergize with any of the other healers (including itself) and the kit is so bloated that you're forced to press extra buttons to achieve the same results that SGE can get for less. For example, Yoshi said during one of the live letters that they wanted SCH to be able to lean more into their direct heals, yet dissipation cannot be used while Seraphism is in effect Likewise, none of the pet skills can be used while dissipation is in effect.
You may say Seraphism is good and it is, but perhaps a bit too good at hat it does. You effectively become a healing/barrier powerhouse That's not really a bad thing but you do SOOOOO much over healing it's crazy. Especially when some of that could have gone into potential DPS instead.
Recitation is my favourite button on Scholar, so being able to use it more is a win in my book.
I'm not really a high end Scholar so I don't know if I'll be in positions where I'll need Seraphism, but I'll definitely use it.
I'm surprised we didn't get any changes to the Faerie Gauge. I'm good with converting Aetherflow to Faerie Gauge. Faerie Gauge to Fey Union is fine too. It just feels like there's a step missing. Like if Fey Union changed Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination and Fey Blessing into stronger variants with a Faerie Gauge. Seraphism and Seraph both feel like abilities that should cost Faerie Gauge. But it's better they don't, just for ease of use.
Not really a fan of Energy Drain and Dissipation. I'd much rather have the Summoner's version of Energy Drain, with the Aetherflow gain and Further Ruin effect included. I'm curious, do people use Dissipation for the 20% increases to healing magic potency or just the Aetherflow?
The increased 20% healing pot. is useful for situations where you want to brute-force/cheese a mechanic.
For TOP P2 my group chose to stack all our groups mits to facetank the meteors. As SCH, I stacked Protraction+Fey Illum + Dissipation to spread a thick recit critlo along with Soil + Expedience + Seraph.
Another time it came in handy was during P8SP1 when my partner for Dog 2 died. Stacking a super shield with Dissipation + Soil let me live the "pair" stack and recover.
Another case where the increased healing could be useful is when you need raw heal throughput (P10S Harrowing Hell w/o a proper mit/heal plan + a cohealer).
Outside of that, the extra healing is kind of overkill for a casual plan, though it can be useful to spread a super shield to guarantee your party makes it to your prog point or sees a further point in a fight.
You can actually cheese a lot of Normal content due to the way that most debuffs are only applied if you take direct damage to your HP. If you have a large enough shield and enough mitigation, such that you take 0 damage to your health, you won't get a debuff applied.
For example, the Lopporit's expert dungeon that was at the start of 6.0 featured a mechanic at the last boss that placed mines. I noticed that people tended to forget the mines at the front and run into them when they tried to keep hitting the boss, so I used Dissipation and everything else to just super shield and tank the mine freely. Was it needed? No, but it's not like I was doing anything in Expert Roulette as a healer anyways.
As for dissipating purely for Aetherflow, it depends on what type of party I'm in.
During prog, I only use it as a recovery tool, mainly after I'm ressed or I mismanaged my AF. Trading your fairy when you have no gauge, mana, and Seraph + Recit are on CD AND there's a raidwide coming up for 3 AF to be used on an emergency indom/soil to try and see further into a pull is a very good trade. Even in cases where we hit enrage and damage needs to be optimized, the first things I prioritize as a healer are my movement + GCD heals. Missing 1-2 Broils & dropping Bio is a much greater loss than stressing about a handful of EDs I lose from holding Dissipation.
During farm, I still tended to save Dissipation as a recovery tool to try and secure a clear, but some fights are so boring that I did start trying to find when I could dissipate for a free 3 EDs. That said, I find that the gain is minor for most pf / casual parties and are only impactful when you're speedrunning and in a group which plans all their mits&cooldowns, so I tend to prioritize dragging the party to the end of the fight.
TL;DR, yea there's a couple cases where Dissipation is useful as a recovery tool. Using it to grab 3 extra EDs is mainly reserved for speedkilling / optimization.
@@fae85 Thanks for the reply, I've learned a lot. I kinda wanna try and work Dissipation into my toolkit more often👍.
IMO, the +20% healing is situationally useful since it only affects gcd heals and they already heal well enough. But like Cure 3, when that situation pops it is very handy.
But most SCH just use it for the extra aetherflow for more Energy Drain during a burst window.
I just thought of something? Does Recitation work on the upgraded skills you get while under Seraphism? I'm assuming not?
It does
@@FFXIVMomo omg that's *insane* O.O
Yooo Seraphism looks great! The only downside is forcing me to wear robes. >
The only thing i dislike by the scholar is the Seraph transformation of the fairy.
Not, because it would be bad.
But, because i never find the right moment to use it.
It feels allways as if the normal kit is enough for protection and healing.
I cant wait to try seraphism. It feels like during seraphim phase, people are not allowed to die 😂
Not a massive SCH main (I dabble) but I'd like a change to Energy Drain to increase the potency of the next GCD; healing or damage. Or something similar. 30% would make the damage approximately equivalent to current when used with broil. Fits the theme better in my opinion and gives it flexibility. ED + Adlo/Succor for massive shield or (when comfy) with Biolysis or Broil for damage.
This would make things way worse for the job, effectively all this would do is make healing even more punishing to the job as doing anything other than spending gauge on ED is a massive dmg loss. If we wanted to bring it in line then the only way to really resolve the issue is to make ED a cd and not a spender. But doing that removes a lot of decision making
@@rivvysenpai Could you explain how it would be any different from now if it equates to the same potency for damage. Would just give more flexibility if it applied to healing as well.
@TheHellsOutsider This is under the assumption the 100 ED potency is untouched and its a pick and choose system you're proposing rather than a heres both, but to elaborate. SCH is the only healer atm that trades potential damage for potential healing, adding any damage increases to ED means healing with any gauge ability is a even bigger damage loss than it already is. Ontop of GCD healing being a dmg loss entirely, and its just a lose lose situation. (I think lvl 100 sch broil is 315 potency, but let's assume it is, each energy drain under your concept turns a broil cast into 409.5 potency, thats a gain of 94.5 per usage, so each ED not spent for dmg purposes is a nearly 100 potency loss. Not including the ED cast potency itself mind you.) Think of it kinda like TBN, if your shield doesn't break you end up losing alot of potency, same concept here applies with SCHs ED vs healing.
Id have to imagine the reason it works this way is to compensate for SCH having a raid buff vs SGE. But ultimately the current job philosophy has too much friction with itself, which is unfortunate.
@@rivvysenpai I'm saying instead of the current potency; which would keep it almost the same as it is now but give more versatility if used with healing. In top level play, it wouldn't change much but at prog, a buffed Adlo/succor can mean the difference between this an the next mechanic. Because as it is now is, as you said, a damage loss no matter what. I agree a better rework would be better but they took it away and people complained that there was no damage spender so they put it back. I'm saying this is a more versatile alternative to what it is now. Not a perfect fix which I don't know what would be one other than possibly letting Aetherflow be a 2 step activation with the first on a healing ability and then that triggers a use of ED. But then you're using healing abilities just to get another ED so........as long as there is a damage option on ED, it's always gonna be a give and take.
Honestly I like the idea of being to heal through attacking as a sage but never felt it was that good on its own. However on my scholar, if I set up my shields just right I felt alot safer attacking compared to sage but that's just me. Been playing scholar since heavensward so maybe I'm biased😂
My issue with Energy Drain is that even at lvl 90, its damage literally competes with my autoattacks in terms of total contribution. Additionally, it feels like an utter waste to use on trash packs when the tank doesn't need much healing. I can either drown in Aetherflow with less mp, dump Aetherflow on redundant heals, or dump Aetherflow on a single-target 100 potency while my Art of War II is doing 180 for *each* enemy. Also, call me crazy, but I have not met a single person that finds the heal portion of Energy Drain useful...
I bet they're waiting until the Energy Drain potency is so negligible that the players beg them to remove it. Just to spite us for wanting to keep it. 😂
I out of space on my hotbar on ps5. Im cooked
when my friends made fun of me last expansion for my speed and now they all love speed buff XDDD now they're making fun of my angel transf but im loving it ngl !!!
This fear of jobs being too busy and streamlining jobs just makes the game feel mundane. I'm actually not the least bit excited for the expansion after the job changes
Always has been. I'm happy I get another expansion of the comfiest and most braindead high level dungeon job in the game. The only job that doesn't make expert roulette feel like an absolute chore.
i rarely play scholar because the fairy job fantasy is lame to me, but i'm glad to see it staying winning, i always respected scholar main not giving a damn about most mechanics lol
I still dislike ED. I'd rather have Excog's CD removed so I can use that as a dump for future healing. Even moreso, I HATE Dissipation. The first time I used it back in SB and it didn't resummon Eos - remember THAT?? - god, I've always hated that ability. The idea of it, it running counter to lore and SCH's identity working with their partner, that it has ANTI-synergy with everything else in the kit besides PHYSIC, and that it's just used in practice for more Energy Drain...I'm looking forward to just removing it from my bars. Parses be damned, I don't care anymore. OTHERWISE, good god does SCH look amazing. I'm gonna rock WHM/SCH this expansion, with a minor in SMN and...probably PLD though maybe GNB, I haven't decided on my Tank yet...
SCH is so stupid OP that theyre going to nerf them shortly after expac begins. The sheer amount of healing throughput blows every other healer out of the water no comparison.
Always the best healer
SCH main since SB o7
Honestly I saw a title and like wait momo reupload the endwalker/shadowbringer video ?
I've been trying to avoid looking like a white mage for 10 years and they finally forced me into a dress.
Dissipation more a offensive tool now? Seraphism if you got the manna should be enough for burst healing phases. Drop a Disspation after Seraphism if necessary.
That's WAR. smh
Dissipation desperately needs a rework man, if the want to keep fairy lockout; how bout something like giving constantly regening aetherflow? or faster gcd akin to presence of mind? spitballing here, something to change that tempo of broil spam
Disclaimer: my personal opinion.
I wish that Energy drain was removed and Baneful impaction replacing energy drain as an aetherflow spender. To balance it out, maybe reduce the uptime from 15 to 10 seconds, or nerf the Potency slightly down to like 120 or even 100 per tick, and it would be a way better and more fun way of spending Aetherflow, while having the option to uptime the Debuff on single target, or having more options on when to use it, like in Dungeons or any content where you deal with a good chunk of Mobs.
For how its in the game right now, it doesnt make a lot of sense to me, if it was a very strong single target debuff, then obviously it would be well reserved for things like Bosses or strong Mobs where you could throw it on, but its an AOE debuff ability, locked behind a 2 minute single target debuff, which is just badly designed in my opinion.
it feels a bit... confused? to put an aoe damage over time ability behind a two minute CD single-target boss-buster
like, in dungeons are you expected to waste chain strategem before the boss just to actually get some use out of the aoe dot? or just waste the aoe part and get a second dot on the single boss?
I just wish dissipation was less anti synergetic of a skill 😂
Energy drain is a skill idk how I should feel. I love and hate it.
Dam its hard to choose what healer to level up.
Used to play astro, never touched white mage and now im trying sage and scholar a bit.
I don't want anything too easy. Is Scholar fun to play and not too simple?
Sch requires combining actions to get the most out of it.
For example, you have a skill that spreads a shield from one target to the whole party. So you use a strong single target shield and spread it.
But then you have an ability that auto crits a shield spell. So now you have auto crit + shield + spread.
But wait, you have a buff that trades your fairy for +20% healing. So +20% + auto crit + shield + spread.
But wait, why spend 2 seconds casting the shield when you can insta cast while moving? Why not add 10% mitigation to make that shield stronger? And another 10% with a speed boost? Why not add another 10% healing to your shield target before spreading? And on and on... The spell chains get redonkulous.
Or if you just want to sit back and let Eos do the healing, you can do that too.
@@karenpojar2514 haha that sounds crazy how far you can take it. :D
Sounds like its worth trying and hard/interesting to learn how much of that comboing is needed in any given situation.
Downside might be in any sudden heavy preasure situation scholar might be in trouble if you didn't see it coming. If you have no time to prepar that big combo. :D
I'm mainly contemplating Scholar vs Sage since they are both shield healers. Probably still continue playing astro on the side.
@@stebateus7730 Sage provides a more streamlined experience, with more "big buttons" that you can press on their own, whereas Scholar has a lot more nuance as karenpojar detailed in their example. But Scholar isn't that bad at recovering or dealing with pressure, you still have the possibility of kitchen sinking a bunch of stuff as spamming a few GCD heals if need be. Especially now with both Seraphism and Dissipation, you have a lot of panic buttons.
Erg tbh regarding energy drain... Like, just rework that.
I understand the whole optimisation thing, I love optimsation but... ffs 100 potency. Like I'd rather not have it so that I don't feel I have to dissipate and do wonky quadra weaving for 400 potency... (and then I have to replace the god damn fairy). And can they do something about freaking dissipation? 180s CD, it's suppose to be on par with macrocosm, lillibell, seraphism and AoEKardia thingy... Like seriously, 180s for 300 potency?
I really hope they just add more dps spell, rework energy drain next xpac.
And why were SCH so mad at its removal but fine that SGE had no dump? If anything it's even more annoying on sage because it's tied to the mp economy.
A little bit of clunk is good.
SCH's always been the better healer... 3 different mitigations with 3 different timers while SGE has to be ridiculously tight with Kerachole, with only Holos as a buffer...
I've had to do stupid shit in P12 like deliberately dropping it 5 seconds early so that Kerachole can catch the next raidwide
The only real thing SGE has got going for it is that it is braindead easy to do high damage with it
Oh, and Panhaima
Sch has always been the best.
So SCH gets Neutral Sect on steroids and Light Speed, while AST gets a rigid, watered down version of Aetherflow and an empty mana bar.
Weird.
Yeah SCH won, but wait til u see Eukrasian Pneuma next expansion 😂
The fact that dissipation either wasnt changed or removed just annoys me to no end. I absolutely hate that move and despite the overall strength of scholar, dissipation alone made me reroll to sage early into endwalker. It's just so damn archaic at this point and one of the worst parts of the job, especially since they just keep adding more and more abilities that have anti-synergy with it.
I love dissipation and the utility it provides is invaluable. Full Aetherflow is insane. If you tried to learn the class a little better you wouldnt run into this issue. It takes planning to know when to use it, but that's part of the skill ceiling of Scholar. Instead of asking the game to change, why not try adapting?
@@owendawg1 Because dissipation shouldnt lock you out of a third of your kit to give you a healing buff that doesn't even work with the abilities it enables. More aetherflow is nice and all but the fact the 20% extra healing doesnt work with your ogcds heals and then you also lose access to your fairy for 30 seconds just feels awful.
@@KlockoArtwhy not? That's a downside of the ability. You say it shouldnt, but why shouldnt it? Just because you said so? The ability is fine. Change your mentality instead of asking for the game to change around you and you'll be a lot happier. It's fine for things to have downsides. And thematically eating your fairy to empower yourself is also cool.
Sch once again proving why its the best healer
Why kill a god when you can just stack up enough shield potency to deny them completely.
I hate energy drain...but it needs to exist unless aetherflow gets changed on how it works. I would prefer aetherflow turning leftover stacks into extra mp, but as it stands we need a way to dump them before it comes back off cooldown.
Also, Dissipation can kindly piss off.
If you hate Energy Drain play Sage. It's an extraordinary method for skill expression in a game that doesnt have much left. Same with Dissipation. You can clear content without pressing it, you arent being hurt by the existence of Energy Drain. Stop whining for the players who love it and consider it an integral part of the class.
@@owendawg1 i do play SGE in savage. Why would i not play the better job? It's cool people like SCH. I just think it's funny that people defend a button that takes away the identity of the job, and they use it for damage 99% of the time instead of its intended Increased healing effect. If you don't voice complaints, SCH is effectively gonna stay in its development bubble for the rest of time.
@@cleyra8550using it for damage is also part of it's intended effect, and if you're a good player in high end content you absolutely do use it for bigger shields. Also you just watched a video demonstrating how Scholar will be the best healer for the 12th year in a row. If you prefer Sage that's fine, but then stop whining about somebody else's class. It's not for you. The decision making with energy drain is the crux of the class.
@@owendawg1 i play it all, but in hard content, i prefer SGE movement and not having to trade damage for parts of my kit. SCH is a relic in need of a rework. And crazy thing is, i can complain about whatever the fuck i want, just like you're entitled to your opinion. Don't assume I don't play jobs, just like how I won't assume you don't know what you're talking about. Since you're the SCH main obv, tell me how you'd use aetherflow to make your shields bigger, cuz id like to know.
Devs want sch to solo heal harder content. Change my mind 😂
I hate aetherflow. It just enhances everything that makes healer parsing dumb and creates extremely toxic gameplay patterns. Now they have even stronger non-aetherflow healing options. I foresee some very stupid Scholar logs if its possible to survive while never spending aetherflow on healing in Savage.
There is nothing toxic about learning how much healing you need to spend on Aetherflow and playing accordingly. If you're meeting healing checks you have nothing to complain about. If you're not that's a player issue, not a class design issue.
@@owendawg1 i would agree except that all savage content can be solo healed. I don't feel like there is anything interesting about 99 parsing damage when you are 0 parsing heals.
But you're making up an imaginary scenario. If you arent using aetherflow heals you're absolutely losing damage overall by forcing your cohealer to use more GCD heals. That's just objectively contributing less damage to the group, and isnt something to worry about because only bad players using tools that are against ToS would ever be doing that (or players in a coordinated group trying to inflate their imaginary numbers.) Neither is a real factor if you're just playing the game normally with most players. @@guffels
The class hardly changed- feels no different in dawntrail really. I've enjoyed the expansion, but scholar changes were underwhelming to say the least.
Yoooo they brought back Bane
I hoped they would remove ED. I want scholars to freely use sacred soils/lustrates. Too many scholars just dump all aetherflow/diss into burst.
sch is janky because it reflects the erratic emotional and mental state of college students
Sorry. But dissipation stays stupid. I've said it on other videos/platforms but the whole point of sch is to use the fairy to help heal and then we get an ability that removes them... very counterintuitive
It's a tradeoff for a ludicrously powerful skill. It's okay for things to have drawbacks. It isnt hurting you by existing, and it makes the job fantastic at recovering and adds a ton to the skill ceiling. If it isnt hurting you, why whine so much?
@owendawg1 oh God please get off the high horse. Yes it can have drawbacks but when it eliminates half of your kit it's kinda whack. What's worse is no other healer has anything like this
@@silmarilion2667you get off your low horse. You're begging for a part of the class that I enjoy to be removed because you feel bad that you cant use it right, I'm gonna tell you to get good and stop whining. It locking you out of different skills is what makes it interesting. Try using it at the end of a dungeon pull so that you can get the healing buff for your shields for the next pull and have fresh aetherflow. It's fine for a skill to punish you for using it incorrectly. The game already caters to people who refuse to put effort into their classes, I think it's good if some skills are legitimately punishing.
I'm so glad SCH finally got the ability to change into an angel that they were all lobbying to get for so long. Congrats SCH! This proves that SquareEnix really does listen.
Scholar always has best potential with the worst players lol
WHM players are consistently the worst healers in my experience across all content. Never seen someone overheal so as much as a Whm.
@@owendawg1 as a tank main, I personally don’t mind when they overheal bc they’re healers. IMO, that’s priority one. Scholars especially have a hard time healing atm
Seraphism's forced transformation is a major turnoff for me. I have spent resources to glamour my wol only to transform into a KKK follower, instead of a military tactician. I hope this gets changed or removed. Gone are also the opportunity costs it once had. And where's my GCD Shadowflare and Rouse? Still dealing with unnecessary bloat of having a demi-summon and a gauge that 1 ability makes use. The demi-summon and gauge can be removed and be replaced with the superior Rouse.
#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
New SCH kit looks great but nothing is as bloated and overpowered as AST new kit.
Sure its still the best healer, but its fun? Chain strat follow up just feel underwhelming, and seraphism is cartoonish at the best of time, unnecessary and stupid at the worst of time
Copium?
ppl still play this?
Bro im so sick of Energy Drain
Managing Aetherflow is fine, but also feel like SCH ends up being too conservative with resources half the time because "oh but energy drain" which on one hand is good for new players, but on the other kind of dictates alot of how Aetherflow abilities and balanced
But on the other hand, i cannot stand "PF Energy Drain Scholars" who are just jorkin it to grief and get their 100 potency OGCD
And i think thats my main issue
Its a 100 OGCD ffs, and it looks stupid
Ive had to stare at this god awful thing for like 9 years
I just want something new
Id much rather Aetherflow granted Energy Drain STACKS as well as standard Aetherflow, and then using those EDs would make your next Broils instant cast or something
Just some kind of interaction, that fits into SCH existing "prep-Healer" fantasy, where youre planning your instant casts before using them or whatever, be it for movement or double weaving
Literally ANYTHING but "huehue i deny the party Soil for 100 potency"
Its just cringe
That's not an issue with the class, but the player. If your party isnt using soil it's either because they dont need to, or they're just bad. Dont fault the class for the players. It's a really fun push and pull for those of us who actually want to play the class well.
@owendawg1 Cool thanks guy who can't read the part where I say "PF SCH", and the already well known and established behaviours of those people
I don't see what that has to do with everything else I said anyway
Very valuable comment
Those aren't scholars. Those are dps mains who think they know scholar. lol
It's not the job, it's the player as the person you replied to said. Play with a scholar that knows what they are doing. Then you'll change your mind.