Thank you for covering this as well. I absolutely loved the comparison you made with DBD as a heartbeat. I feel like I've been on a flat-line for so long, but those limited time game modes (like My Little Oni) gave me a heartbeat again. And yeah, I do lean more to the unbalanced DBD, simply because it feels like a more variety of games happen rather than games with the same perks over and over. That's not to say I don't enjoy the game balanced as well, it's just the games start to feel stale really quickly :(
Those limited time game modes were awful. Something as simple as a perk randomizer mode for all players in a lobby would be incredible, without changing the core mechanics of the game so much so that it is unattractive after just one game.
I'm so sorry. I didn't know my merchant was bringing people so much grief during the genkick meta. I was a wraith main before Merchant released. Dying light, Thana, Call of brine, Overcharge. I wasn't trying to be mean. I main tank in OW2 and Gen Defense was my favorite playstyle til it got nerfed. I guess I got what I deserved
Precisely why i stopped playing. When they started to nerf perks, changed the movement, and stuffed flashlights completely. One of my favourite memories was a 3 gen chase against an oni, with my friend cgasing behind with a flashlight. I went down in a jungle gym eventually, and he pulled off one of the best saves I've ever seen. Fast vaultin the window with sprintburst and nlinding the killer with precise timing. The game is ruined. Dbd is now "Devs Bad Decisions".
Seeing BHVR choose to invest in gimmicky game modes instead of fixing the massive list of the games problems was the main reason I quit tbh. They're not interested in any fixes for problems. Their idea of 'fixing' the awful onboarding for new players was to sell the perks to them better. Tells you everything you need to know about the game and company behind it.
If it's Merchant I'll AFK from the start of the match every time. I feel like if players could see the killer in start lobby that killer would get dodged nearly 100% of the time. Next to no one wants to play against a killer that can essentially camp four locations at once
@@gdjolly4115 And after that you just don't want to continue playing. Had the same experience and after the match I didn't want to go for another match. I closed the game and felt like that was enough DbD for the week
@@Porkwhitemeat Not for me Solo que doesn't work for me, friends don't play and I may be good at doing gens and hiding but when the killer starts chasing me that's it Can't do chases at all
My answer as a killer main who's been playing since late 2017: Because just loading into a match makes me stressed. My chest tightens and I dread playing the game. Its a game. I shouldn't feel like that, but I do. The entire match that follows, no matter how well I do, is just stress. There's no fun anymore. The only time I still have fun in dnd is when I play customs with friends.
Finally! someone who fucking gets it i thought i was just like crazy sensitive. I started playing right as Pyramid Head released and mained killer for my first maybe 750 hours? After that i just couldnt handle playing killer. It made me actively less happy, playing made me feel stressed and i couldnt stop putting pressure on myself to win so i wouldn't get BM'ed by sore winners. I know its pretty dumb but yeah, now @ 4,000 hours and much happier being a survivor main.
I felt like that for so long and finally quit the game. What used to be fun, became a hostile battle about winning at all cost. And not even the winner(s) have fun.
we need a game mode with either random perks, or no perks (add-ons or items) at all, while having a separated matchmaking for it, so we can play smth different every now and then
In regards to the twitch shirt thing, I sort of feel this way in regards to UA-cam content/other platform content too. It feels like Twitch is the main platform for DbD/devs promoting stuff, which is fine of course, but I do wish they'd balance that out a bit. Additionally, for me, someone who focuses a lot on the lore of the game, it also feels like lore stuff is barely given the time of day or care and it's just a bit frustrating tbh when I do my best to engage people with it or discuss it in general. I would love if there could be some fog whisperers say who could focus on the lore/come on streams and talk lore with devs. Someone like Pixel Bush imo is perfect for that and would be a good representative/spokesperson. Great video!
I F*cking HATE the invisible walls. Even on killers that dont have ranged attacks you can still run into them and they feel *TERRIBLE* every single time. :( "So baby killers dont go against unfair matches with high skill surivors". It doesnt work. Ive been facing people with thousands of hours ever since ive had a few hundred. People with literally 10x or higher time in the game while i was (am) still learning. I do use anon mode because i dont want hate mail for how i play. Generally im a fairly nice killer, rarely tunnel, only "proxy" and "camp" if i think there is a survivor nearby or if all gens are done, but i know idiots will always complain. However, i absolutely can see people using anon mode to play as despicably as possible because there is 0 repercussions. Almost forgot to mention, i will absolutely return ingame toxicity. Wanna tbag at every pallet? Congrats! Your prize is getting tunneled.
I think you should play however you feel. You paid for the game and put time into it. If it’s apart of the game go for it lol. Only thing I despise are the cheaters but if it’s part of the game people should only get mad at the devs not how the killers play the game. People act like killers should just let them win lol. Just my worthless two cents you didn’t ask for 😅
I will say this, from personal experience...before I even had 1,000 hours in DbD, I was a Myers on Grim Pantry, against another Streamer (and her 4-man team) with a combined total of 7k hours... And they were absolutely garbage of running, always just hiding and running into walls. Even 2-hooking them all (while the main streamer hid and then ragequit from her second hook) (this was also before bots were added) made them mad at me. Prestige Number and Hours Played =/= Skill Level It should, but some people (myself included) plateau and never are able to reach a higher plain of making better mind games, or carrying out exceptional loops. Hell, even the greatest players in this game only really show off most of their "best" games, or the "games they had fun in." I applaud you for "only" doing what is needed if you need to apply direct and immediate pressure, towards the end. I think the same - I hate camping/tunneling (unless I absolutely need to apply pressure). 7 out of 10 games, I seem to get babies or subpar loopers...my own general rule of thumb I follow is, "If I dominate before 1 or 0 gens left, I go for 2 hooks on everyone, then dick around and have fun...I don't want other players to quit the game because I 'went sweaty-try-hard on them.'" Otherwise, 2 Out/2 In is my usual preference.
God forbid someone tbag to get your attention 😂. You're exactly the kind of fragile-ego'd player that made me quit playing. Always for some offense I had no idea I was committing. Two wrongs don't make a right, and without in-game chat, there's no way to be certain someone was actually trying to pass you off.
Balance is so poor you see the same thing every game due to MMR being implemented and it also makes the game extremely stressful depending on who you choose to play. You CANNOT balance a game around casuals while also having an MMR system, it fundamentally does not work and results in stale, repetitive and unrewarding gameplay.
@@DarkyLonewolf You're missing the point. MMR isn't the problem, the balance combined with the MMR is. Nobody would be complaining about MMR if alot of things were viable at the latter end of the MMR scale. But they aren't which is why you see the same builds, same killers and same survivor perks over and over and over. The difference between a Nurse and Ghostface shouldn't be so insanely high.
@@JCglitchmaster To be fair, Identity V, which can be best described as DBD's younger sibling, has a casual/ranked split system, and it's not really any better there (the power creep there is even worse than in DBD). There is also a conversation to be had how, when it comes to any competitive video game balance in general, achieving true balance where everything is viable anywhere is... Something of an impossible pipe dream, really. It's not just a DBD problem.
I see this take a lot, and let me just say that the casual player isn't who most game studios want. They want the hardcore whales who're going to spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on their game. People who will sink thousands upon thousands of hours into their game. Yeah, you want casual players too, but if you ONLY cater to the casual player and alienate the people who are actually good at your game, your game will die. Look at what happened with Overwatch. They started catering exclusively to the casuals who weren't invested in their game and became the laughing stock of the videogame world. The exact same thing will happen to DbD if they keep pushing updates that the higher skill players don't like.
Honestly, my biggest peeve with the game right now, as you and Slush mentioned, is SBMM. Out of almost 100 games, it's mostly been utterly destroying teams (most of which seem like new players) or getting destroyed by people WAY outside of my skill level as a killer. I can literally count the number of close games on one hand. In my experience (and opinion), going between these two extremes is rather agitating because there's no middle ground for my matches and no fun. It's either be bored and feel sorry for romping on new people and apologizing to them for such a terrible game on their end, or get romped on and made fun of or mocked. Be bored or stressed, a perpetuating cycle. Again, that's my experience. Thank you guys for speaking up about this topic and I hope the game can get in a better state so it doesn't slip into nothingness.
honestly the moment SBMM was added was unironically the exact moment my matches turned to stompfests. Now more than ever, it's become even worse with most stomp fests favouring the tunneling killer or the sweaty survivor group, it's just not fun
i played casually on both sides and i can relate to getting op teams as a killer that i have no chance against or what feels like player who just installed the game. In teory SBMM should make games challanging, because you go against people on your lvl and it's the comeplete opposite
I identify so hard with the heartbeat-analogy. I used to play DbD alone sometimes. Now I only play with some friends. And when I do, I survive 1/10 matches, if even. Is it because I'm not too good? Possibly. But it definitely is also because the killers we get are above my skill-level or are simply camping and tunneling from the get-go.
It's also because they nerfed survivor into oblivion, just because they couldn't balance swf squads. In the past I used to be very good on surv because I learned all the cool techs you could do, but now I'm like everyone else.... average. And no matter how hard I try, there is just nothing for me as a survivor to get better in. Maybe I need to get better in repairing gens 😂
After years of waiting for a Twins rework only to get the steaming pile of a PTB I don't think BHVR listens to anyone but mass Twitter movements. Like how do you ignore all of the free rework ideas that Twins mains have been advocating for over the past several years?
>mass Twitter movements Now you better choose your words carefully when you explain what you mean by that, because I know that a UA-cam comment going "Twitter bad" has a 50/50 chance of being one of THOSE kinds of gamers.
@@DarkyLonewolfI’m hoping they’re referring to adding bloat and to the game via skins/shitty reworks, and not one of the “grr there’s a gay person in my game”
@@DarkyLonewolfhe means that BHVR is way to quick to bend the knee to the DbD twitter sphere compared to any other side of the community, he’s not saying that DbD listen to much to the LGBTQ community, idk why your insinuating that shit, and if that’s not what your insisting then what are you even trying to say? They have gotten hundreds upon hundreds of free, easy, and solid solutions to rework the twins with, but they didn’t listen, they don’t even listen to their fucking fog whisperers, there’s a total reason why even Otz is getting fed up with DBD and BHVR, they never listen, all they do is stick their heads in the sand and make such baffling decisions it’s so tough to root for them. That’s what Choy is saying, he’s not a “GamerTM” who hates gay people, he’s just annoyed with the knee jerk decisions BHVR make, which is reasonable
Because the game is literally a detriment to your mental wellbeing. -The gameplay is as repetitive as can be -Most people only play for a while because it has some addicting qualities -The community is absolutely toxic -There's just nothing much to it than a new killer and surv every few months. -Theres only so much content you can make on dbd before it gets stale and repetitive. Everything's been done one way or another and the only 'interesting' new things are new chapters. And they stay interesting for a week MAX post launch before they get stale again. I know a few content creators who quit DBD because they don't need that kinda vibe in their life and honestly good for them.
@@assembled1855 Such things are fun, but in the long run entirely irrelevant if the core of the game has issues - which DBD has plenty of. So no game modes at all can 'save' the game, they'll be fun for a while but then people will get over them and return to the default stale state of the game - just like how everyone is super excited for new chapters and killers, only for the hype to go down a week or two after release lol
The detriment to your well being Is Doing something you don't like consistently ;which is a self indulged problem unless it's something you're forced to do. All games have levels of repetition All games have hyper abrasive people. People never considered the fact; You've been doing the Same thing for Nearly a Decade. Eventually you will experience burnouts if you do not take a break . You will grow Cynical Towards problems that compared previously were minor in scale , but now weigh you down. In terms of content Creation when you need to be creative but within the limits of a Niche Niche Then you're kinda set-up for burnouts. People need to expand their horizons, and set the thing down for a WHILE to see if it's something they wanna pursue.
The twitch shirts comment is so interesting. I used to stream to 0 viewers off of my Xbox with no mic and one day I had twitch shirts on my account. I genuinely thought that it was just something included with the game but people kept tuning into my stream just to ask how I got my twitch shirt. And then, just as quick as a got them, they were suddenly removed. This was probably toward the end of 2020. I have clips of me wearing it I think
I never streamed and I had the twitch shirt BUT when dead hard got switched to an anti tunnel perk I stopped this game for over 13 months, when I came back they all went missing they are gone 😅😅
people always correctly bring up MMR being an issue, but always get wrong *why*. MMR isn't strict enough, you're stomping/getting stomped every other game *because* it's practically non-existent between a ridiculously low MMR cap and the system prioritizing speed over more fair matches
exactly this I have had plague games where I have had to sweat my ass off just to double hook yet the game before where I swear I jsut want to pick up the survivors and sit them on my lap while I do the gen as they're clearly new and been fucked over by the mmr trying to fill a killer slot
I legitimately had more fun on DBD before SBMM - I am a solo player usually and i can vividly recall actual variety in my matches. Now? Now I only play if theres events or game modes added. Some matches, I'd be killed off quickly yeah and in others it felt rewarding to survive [if that's the right word?] But now? Now as a 3000 hour survivor, im aware that if i load up into solo? I'm more than likely going to get fucking wiped. I'm not a competitive person, I'm a casual player; I use perks I like, but I shouldn't feel like I HAVE to bring the sweatiest build known to man just to TRY and escape. But before SBMM? I felt I could run silly perks I liked and still have fun. Same, endless grind.
I dont have as many hours but I feel the same way. Every 6 months or so I boot up, pick a killer with whatever themed loadout I used on it before, and play a game. Every time I instantly remember why I stopped playing. Its really unfortunate because before SBMM my friends and I would play and have a great time.
This is why I quit. They’ve been lowering the skill ceiling for a while. They want every game to remain the same, it used to be so fun and there was so much killer and survivor interaction the way they’ve changed the game it’s like the only way to play is to gen rush and the only counter is 3 gen. There’s not many fun games that aren’t just that they’ve made it flatline like you’ve said, just boring every game feels exactly the same
Why so many content creators quit DbD? Sheesh. "I hate that the devs took out all the exploits that I've been using, so there for it's not a game for me anymore and I'm quitting." Problem with the game right now is that SOME players (really loud minority, tbh) want it to be a "competitive game", when this game was designed to be a casual party game. It's every time the "comp sweaters" start to emerge to a game, that is the downhill. Same happened with Overwatch. It was fun and exciting game until OWL began and everyone thought they were the hottest best player in the game. This game is meant to be played as casual. 99% of the players are casuals. The only people that have time to learn all the techs and nyances of the game, are streamers and people who do not go to work. And streamers themselves are burning themselves up because they play DbD as their job. It's not the games fault. It's players and the streamers fault. This is not a competitive game. 17:18 "Streamers are the backbone of this game" Entitled much? No... It's not the streamers. It's the players
The longer you spend with something the more familiar you become with the good. What keeps you there you take for granted and all the negative becomes more and more eye catching. Breaks are without a doubt very healthy. I took close to a full year break where I played only a handful of hours and played other games. When I came back I was reminded of what I loved so much that even the negative could not overshadow it. But with time that feeling slowly creeps back.
I respect this opinion and I'm glad that this was your experience, but I have never disagreed with a sentiment more in my entire life. I have taken many long breaks without playing this game, the longest being 2 entire years, and not once when I returned did I enjoy myself. Every time I have returned, I am *quickly* reminded of why exactly I despise this game. Not playing this game has genuinely made me happier whenever I turn on my PC. It's honestly sad how little this game has changed in meaningful ways for this to continue happening and I've personally run out of care to give this game that many second chances anymore. So while I can see your perspectives, I seriously don't think it applies to this game for the most part. Not in my experience, at least. This game is just consistently a bad time. Good for you guys tho, if you can have fun with it, more power to you.
The community is not simply the salt farm or sensitivity. The community is heinously tribalistic. Which in turn affects how the devs feel about making adjusts. The amount of people who cannot see the forest for the trees and moan about changes without thinking about what the reason for changes are, that tire me out. It's a huge reason why I stopped playing, and to be honest, the points touched upon compound the issue, so it tracks. I wanted to play DBD more when i got to play Artist, cause I genuinely enjoy the cross-map sniping playstyle with her. It is one of my favourite things to chase a Survivor off a Gen and long shot a Survivor on a gen on the other side of the map, and keep track of that while dealing with a Survivor near me. Succeeding in the long shots with her is so satisfying to do. And the feeling of the game just becoming all samey with no variation makes me wonder if I bother anymore.
To me it seems like people complaining about the "loss of skill expression" are just upset they can't abuse exploits anymore, such as the locker blinds. There was no reason as to why this should have been left along as long as it was. Especially with Head-on+Flashbang combo. Again with the Blight "techs" people complained that he "slid off too many objects" are now upset that he can't do that anymore. BHVR is fixing a "bug" but apparently the people use abused the exploit aren't happy about it. Same with Chucky flicks, it's an exploit. BHVR is actually fixing the game, and people are complaining. 😅
Responding to your first paragraph, a big part of that is because of people like Slushie, not saying that in a bad way. But there are a LOT of people out there with 1k+ hours that have barely or never even touched killer. I've really only ever heard of this happening for the survivor side, but there might be some killers like that as well. And when you don't play both sides why would you care about proper balance? So we see a lot of tribalism and awful takes about balance because that isn't what they actually want or they have no clue.
@@BrightWulph That's just not how game development goes. Bugs happen all the time and some of them because staples to gaming culture itself. Look at Street Fighter. Combos were a bug and then everyone fell in love with them. When bugs happen the community and the developers decide what is good and what is bad. You can't blanket statement say "all bugs bad!" because that isn't how game development works.
techs as a reason for new players to get stomped doesn't really make sense when there are other variables that would have the same effect such as add ons that change the game (myers) or just overall the number of killers we have, by the time you faced every killer atleast twice you already learned a lot and if you get queued against someone who knows how to use certain techs even though you are new to the game then there's something wrong with the matchmaking and not with killer techs
they should add a ranked mode where killer chooses their perks in the match lobby after they found their lobby and survivors can band 2 perks and the killer can ban 4 survivor perks and survivors cant use duplicate perks to have them challenge themselves more. (survivor main) but the MMR in this ranked mode needs to be like all iri rank go in a team against iri killer gold rank against gold and so on. reply for thoughts guys please.
I don't think "so many" content creators _are_ quitting DBD. People come and go with every game and if the sample is taken over the period of months or years, well yeah, some of those are gonna be content creators. A few will even have a large audience. But it's not really statistically significant. That being said, I agree that skill expression being removed from DBD is disappointing. Meta perks and the map you go to have always been more important than how good either side is at the game, that is why they're so heavily restricted in comp. Once you get good at the game and go against other people who are also good, matches can feel like one big, long cutscene. Time spent holding W in chase, pallets you absolutely have to break, check spots you can't mind-game, endurance you just have to hit through, hooks that you'd have to be crazy not to camp out... And then a nearly non-existent end game because everyone has Adrenaline. You can pretty much predict the entire match from start to finish. People haven't just optimized the fun out of the game- they've optimized the gameplay out of the game. No meaningful or interesting choices or risks are being made, just the most braindead gameplay loop possible.
Killers bring pop pain res dms grim embrace survivors bring adrenaline lithe windows etc just makes the game so boring, if killers don't bring that build they get destroyed, if survivors don't bring that build they get destroyed
Not in my solo queue let me tell you, they unoptimized any chance to win out of my games lmao. But as a killer 100% agree, when you're not even allowed to see if other people are in a group that could be a 4man premade, even if you're a solo queue you should see, it's always detrimental to any video game to take things like that away from players.
Honestly, I'm unironically glad I'm hanging around like, mid to low MMR on survivor and killer alike, because I actually get to try out builds other than THE META(tm).
I don’t think “skill expression” is being removed from the game. Glitches come and go with every game and yeah some of those glitches are gonna be fun. A few will even miss those glitches. But it’s not really statistically significant.
Taking a break from dead by daylight can really work wonders. Last time I played DBD was in 2022 and I have now started to play again since the New Chapter and the Blood Moon Event. And me and my friend have so much fun at the moment, I think just taking a long break after playing the game for literal years is a good thing to do for a lot of people.
@@candyballlecture627 I've quit lots of main games. Some I still love (Starcraft). Some I now hate (Overwatch). I wonder how far I'll go with DBD. I'm 3 years in.
I quit for a long time and came back with a new mindset just chilling playing music every match with killer and survivor. It takes so much stress away but the skill expression being cut out makes the future of playing this game seem bleak.
I think the reason I always returned to and played DBD back before skill based matchmaking was a thing, was because of the whacky matches you could have. For example skybillies, watching baby killers/survivors learn the game, spacebillies, skydemos and so forth. But now every match feels the same with killers running the same 3 perks + some other op perk and survivors having a very small difference in their perks as well. I think that this is due to dead by daylight just becoming a cash grab where they put more effort into cosmetics then the actual gameplay experience.
Absolutely spot on comment. I just want mmr gone. It truly sucks any form of fun out of the game. This is not a comp game and it certainly isn't balanced either. Why is mmr in the game?!!!
If DBD removed MMR I would come back. As it stands now, why should I play this stress simulator when there are better games to play that don't raise my blood pressure?
casual matches are just too damn competitive now with the implementation of MMR. they should have added separate casual & competitive queues a long time ago.
Personally at 4k hours, I just miss joining a lobby and having no idea how the game was going to turn out. For example, if I play survivor, I usually get the same 5 killers, and they will always have the same 5-10 perks on, and my teammates will always be around the same skill level. The games just feel stale to where everyone escapes easily, or we all die instantly.
One thing I've been confused about for awhile now is why they haven't made casual and competitive their own entities. Most games do that nowadays, and while it's not a perfect system and may require more work, I feel it could be better for both new and long-time players. Forcing everyone into basically a competitive atmosphere with the SBMM, ranks/grades, and meshing new players who probably wouldn't even want to play a competitive match, with people who absolutely sweat at this game also plays into why some people get shit on when they're not doing well at the game, not to mention killers using boring strategies (like camping) to ensure they get their win. They could make competitive its own playlist, and causal its own playlist and in the casual playlist, they could also add in their temporary modifier game modes like the lights out and my little oni. Honestly, my gf still loves playing this game, but I can't stand it right now; trying to balance THE ENTIRE GAME around people who want it to be more competitive and "balanced" rather than it's og vibe of being a scary, hide from the killer game has hurt it way more than anything else I think.
I can say honestly, i've been playing videos pretty much all my life. I played CS:GO, COD, Valorant, league, name it. Never in my time of gaming with people who shit talk, have I been told to game end myself, than DBD. Over little things, winning the game, BMing back or BMing in the first place, Streaming to basically no one but I still get told to hang myself, its insane to me how much people take this game that seriously.
People taking video games too seriously is a problem as old as time. Some people's only "win" in life is a video game, so losing at that for them is personal. Meanwhile normal, well-adjusted people just move on. DBD just happens to have a lot of people in the former camp.
COD and League were way more toxic than DBD. Death threats, screaming, yelling, racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. You must’ve gotten the good lobbies 🤣
@reivoidwalker as someone who played league, old school cod, halo 1 and 2.... I strongly disagree. Cod had more people talking trash, but was less toxic. They would tell you to game end yourself, but then would laugh the next game if they got you again. (League not as much) in dbd I've had people that played against me months ago still mad that I logged into the game, haven't seent them in months, and they immediately tell me to game end myself again. Sure old school games had more shit talking, but dbd is far more toxic. Not the bm, not using strategy, but the actual amount of people that want you hurt irl.
So, im more of a lurker nowerdays when it comes to DBD. I've a bit over a thousand hours and stopped playing around dredges release. The reason was the extreme rise of sweattyness after SBMMR in every round. You couldn't play this game casually anymore. It was all about being "high MMR" and labeling as such. And even if not, I've noticed a strong rise in only playing the best perks, no meme build or anything anymore, and I personally think this is due to a downward spiral. With higher mmr you NEEDED to play certain perks to really do something or you were just getting stomped, so the other side had to adjust to that, so now you have to adjust to the adjustment and so on. You can't play a meme build bubba in high MMR because you would be getting stomped every round, as survivors would be running only top notch perks, as they are used to them and used to playing against those. It just wasn't fun anymore, I miss the times with random lobbies. Also the pool of players that were (old MMR) iri was so much bigger than the pool of high SBMMR players, so the chance of getting a chill build on the other side was so much higher too. Now you face the same pool of counters over and over again, as the player pool is just so small. That was the fun I had before. I think you could clearly see the stuck competitiveness in players minds in the my little Oni mode. Even there some people where sweating for the 4k/Gen Rush and that was the second I realised how stuck the people already are on this comp mindset It's really sad as this game was really my true love
I wish I could run meme builds but I don't anymore because these killers sweat so much and make this game feel comp. Like I just wanna be a casual gamer and have fun, is that too much to ask for?
Your not wrong. I've played daily for years. THOUSANDS of hours invested. It is trash now. I quit a week ago and I'm much happier. They hate the killers and have been nerfing them every update. I was chasing a guy when 3 gens popped as he was only 1/4 of the way of walking me through every pallet when I said. "Screw this" the game just isn't fun anymore. They don't understand that nerfing sloppy butcher/ bleed was the downfall. 75%of survivors bring either a way to heal themselves or teammates. So if you don't tunnel and hook them the survivors heal, if you chase the first guy until you catch him 3 generators will be done before you can tote him to a hook, meaning your only option is to camp the only person you've seen or go try to catch and hook the other 3 survivors 3 times a piece with only 2 gens left🤡. I did some thinking after multiple matches like this as a high MMR killer and decided that those guys can chase each other and keep their own game alive. Screw that, it's not even fun anymore
@@galaxshiigames honestly? i feel like it doesn't matter for killer really. as survivor though, if you make the mistake of not being selfish and guaranteeing your escape through the gates, you'll just get matched with worse and worse teammates, and it's not realistic to pretend you can carry everyone unless you are that profficient of a player at this game that you could play proffessionaly lol. sbmmr just feeds some survivors with this need to be selfish, despite the fact that will probably leave with like 7k bloodpoints and nothing else.
@@azombieee "100% agree with your points. It almost needs a casual mode and a ranked... It's not fun with both being one mode" that would be nice but only on paper. Look at league. normal is just as sweaty as ranked since they are esentialy the same game. add to that the fact that people then start queuing ranked even more than normal, and normal becomes a detriment to the player pool when queuing. because they feel like they are wasting their time otherwise (they might as well climb those ranks/get that mmr if they are gonna queue at all, right? that's kind of the mindset that starts setting in once you have a ranked mode. people like acomplishing things even if it's just a game). And also, you may get even more swfs in a "casual queue" since survivors wouldn't be losing anything relevant at all by abandoning gens and even dying by the end, but just making sure to torture a baby killer, those matches can last forever (sure, 60 minute limit, but that's a huge time nontheless), and those survivors would have an f-ing blast lol (at someone else's expense) with zero care in the world, in fact it would be a blessing for them to lose and go against even more baby killers in "normal/casual" mode, and only take ranked seriously. Same for killers, why wouldn't you try and go for max suffering builds on casual as a killer since it wouldn't even matter anymore if you won or lost mmr, just make a couple of survivors as miserable as posible for gigles since getting just a 2k or less is no longer a "danger". i know it sounds awful, but it's just how these things go. I know at first it may seem like separating mmrs in two queues like that would make normal matches more chill, but it doesn't. sad truth. it just makes it so you get more dcs in normal, why would your temmates care if it counts as a loss? "it's not ranked". since normals qoeuldn't matter in their mind, you would also get weird semi afk teams, so if you are thinking "oh, i just wanna play a normal match, not throwing but not swf either" you'll be out of luck. more dcs, more smurfs, a smaller pool so a bigger mixture of babies and p100, more bullies, etc etc etc. and just a split player pool were ranked gets the bigger chunk (so normals become even more unpredictable in regards to how many hours/experience players have) What works far better is to have a clearly casual mode that isn't just "normal mode but with it's own less relevant mmr", a mode with things like shuffle perks, restricted items and maps etc, like aram in league, shorter matches with mechanisms in place that guarantee so, that lessens the stakes and frustration, more focused on the action from the get go, so no gen rush or 3 gen shenanigans, aka here it would be the chases and hooks as the focus, and less on the winning conditions (and aram in league has proven throughout the years to be a stable 20% of the playerbase no matter the year or meta, waranting it's own specific qol changes throughout league's history, and it's own balancing that works differently than ranked. i'm sure the same would apply to dbd). People for the most part love shuffle mode in dbd for a reason, despite it not being perfect (but it could very easily be tweaked into a staple casual mode if you look at maybe randomizing items, add ons and characters too)
@@memelord8492thats kinda how a battle pass/season pass works gng, u pay to get elite rewards, that’s how battle passes has worked in gaming since they were introduced, u buy the pass and grind it out so u can get elite rewards
@@memelord8492 "miss out on skins"- i see this as a problem. When the priority is skins over gameplay there's something wrong with the players. Then no wonder people say the game is unbalanced. Yeah of course it will be, the vast majority is focused on skins and cosmetics rather than having a fun game.
@@SouSporting How is me saying what I said implying anything about gameplay. I never mentioned gameplay. I hate how expensive everything is. It's predatory. I love this game I've been playing since 2018. I care about gameplay to. I hate the season pass and how it forces you to pay or play if you want the rare rift skins. Dbd is filled with FOMO. Gameplay is flawed to but it's so much better today than it was in the past.
Ngl the MMR change basically killed any enjoyment I had of the game... It really felt like games went from fun and challenging to insanely insanely sweaty and griefy. I'm so tired of survs giving up on hook, killers hard hard tunneling every match and survs refusing to team play because a chase was slightly too close to a gen. I play solo queue on surv and killer about 50/50, it's just not worth playing alone anymore because it's just frustrating on both sides.
You've definitely touched on something that could be implemented because clearly there are people looking for different experiences of their play session. Having a casual and competitive mode might solve some of the frustration and toxicity as long as the more experienced players don't decide to swamp it for the easier wins and blood points.
The bugs and memes of dbd was why I played the game. The skill ceiling on flashlight saves was just so much fun to master and practice, and it made me play on a constant just to keep that skill and improve. In my old games, I would see survivors getting stuck on rocks, killers swinging from building to building to get on top of a pallet that you could have just taken the stun and broken, and goofy meme builds to abuse long stun spamming and burning. All of that is gone, survivors no longer get stuck or look goofy, killers can now just use a really strong power to blink through a pallet or chainsaw through it but keep going, all the goofy meme builds are now either too weak to be able to run or overshadowed by the pain of gen regression vs second chance meta and even the fun flashlight saves are so easy I just did one after having quit for a year in my first game which would have taken me three to practice and learn. There's so much pressure to "win" in dead by daylight now that it feels like we've all forgotten it's a game for fun, and running four boons, or sabo basement, or map and key was why we played it to begin with. I LOVED the keys, because it was so rewarding to survive with it, find the hatch as a group and panic leave before the exit gate was even ready. Yes that was unbalanced, but the game's win condition wasn't kills back then, it was the bp we now do not care about at all. As someone who played VHS for it's competitive side, I can enjoy a competitive scene, but dbd was never that. If they want to change it into something of the sort they still gotta make the game fun, and they seem to be too focused on the small fix for their players. It's hard to say anything a content creator is making will be seen though, I've seen it all over from dbd creators that their ideas are ignored for the corporate ladder. I miss the game, but I do wonder what makes me want to play it over say valorant, or worse, a chinese knockoff. I hope they'll hear your pleas dbd players.
@@J0SEF Very creative answer. How long did that take you, 3 seconds? BHVR has repeatedly shown that lack of ambition, care, and creativity in 8/10 cases. Thats what it really boils down to, BHVR doesnt give a shit about its game, or its fans. Pure and simple.
>Devs not listening >A lot of perks being nerfed to oblivion and anti-everything systems (anti-camping, basekit BT for anti-tunneling, limited amount of gen kicks to prevent 3-gens, etc.) being added SPECIFICALLY because the devs listened too much Right...
The devs not playing the game thus sucking at it is a problem too, ever watched them play on stream? This game sadly is balanced by the biggest whiners and whatever the devs are smoking at any given time. Also the My Little Oni fun? Almost as bad as going against legions on the hide and seek event. Also dbd sadly is kept alive by new players, most 2k+ hours players are long gone or will come back for a few days and quit again since deep down nothing changed for the better.
I lost all respect for BHVR as humans when they dropped HybridPanda from the Fog Whisperer program when he took a break after his father passed away. How cold hearted can you be?
@@AD88884 Panda is my all time favorite streamer. When he mentioned it so nonchalantly as to avoid hurting BHVRs feelings it made me feel so aggravated. He just mentioned in passing after he came back from his break but you can tell he felt a way about it. I expected better from BHVR
@@fg-l3565 the entire context of the situation is this: Panda’s father died. Panda stopped streaming for a few months because of it. When he came back to streaming he found out he was removed from the Fog Whisperers program by Behaviour without any notice at all. No explanation, no condolences for the loss of his father, just yeeted him from the program. That’s the entire story.
I don't completely agree on some of the skill expressions points tbh. Regardless of skill required to do a bug, if it results in something that drastically effects how a strong a killer is (Especially if said bug is platform exclusive), it shouldn't be in the game. Whether they remove it with or without compensation, I do not think they should be in the game period. As a primarily solo Q survivor nowadays, it was just plainly not fun to play a loop well/optimally against a Killer, only for them to hug tech or 180 flick to completely shutdown counterplay in that situation. But I am in agreement with the idea of Lightburn interactions. They were fun and a unique way to counter some Killers. I would like them back (though probably nerf Wraith's Lightburn a bit. It was pretty annoying).
I just started playing again after a big break. I spent a while match trying to light burn a wraith. And I was confused about where all my traps were going as hag. I may be a casual player. But even I loved those little things. I miss being able to pounce on survivors off of the high ground. This also affects casual players as well. I am still playing dbd. But it is a bit disappointing seeing all those changes.
@@katniss5052 ik tf I played 15 games yesterday and escaped once :') and that's just normal...for me. I'm not great but a lot of the time we lose cause the teammates suck, killer tunnels/camps, or has 4 slowdown. Or both... xD
3 Matches, huh? As Killer, all it takes is one truly shitty match for me to throw in the towel for a few days, weeks, or months. There is a VERY small window for me where this game is fun; when I'm in the mood for it, I love it, but all it takes is one bad match for all my excitement to leave. I only played one day of My Little Oni because, even though I was giant, the mode was limited time, and honestly very fun for what it was, I got put in a match filled with god-loopers who got the 4 man out. Made me feel so garbage at the game I stopped playing until tonight. Sometimes, it's just "fuck this game", and there only thing that'll pull me out of that mindset is time..
I dont mind losing at all if it was a decent time. Most of my frustration comes from ppl taking themselves out on first hook or when ppl play like they're top pro and before you know it there's already 2 hooked.
@@Darcys_Hub Right? 'I quit because of the community' The Community: "Fucking pussy, you could just block comments! If they were homeless you wouldn't care, lololol" I don't know if they realize they're doing it or are generally just ignorant.
I just think that you can't keep playing the same game for YEARS without getting some sort of burnout, as once said by the Mathieu Coute "play something else".
Honestly? This, unironically. Some people feel obligated to religiously play the same game over and over, then blame their inevitable burnout on anything else, like... It's okay to take breaks. If a game begins feeling like a chore, maybe play something else. Or, if it's gaming itself feeling like a chore... Going out and touching grass/snow (depends on season and location) is always an option.
yep I almost exclusively play memey Adiris builds to have fun with survivors, if I wanna go hard I'll double hook everyone then go do some gens and pallet stuns flashy saves etc, honestly it's chill af and end game chats are always pleasant. Too many people forget the pixels exist to bring joy
I’m a new casual player and a funny thing that happened was me and my friend (who also started playing) were going against a wraith. My friend was training with the flashlight and asked if it was possible to stun the killer while invisible, I said dunno and told him to try it, I had no idea that this WAS a feature that got removed, this really sucks. I’ll still play the game, but hope some of this changes are removed.
Really is a prime example of why statistics on its own means absolutely nothing, data analysis involves the whole picture (saying this as a statistician.) It drives me fucking bonkers when experiential products (like video games) are updated and maintained purely from the data. For example, take the pick rate for killers; a 10% pick rate for a killer doesn't mean a damn thing except that 10% of players pick that killer specifically. But they use that to abstract out that "the killer must not be fun" or "the killer must not be balanced." Without additional metrics like PLAYER EXPERIENCE that 10% statistic literally means nothing except what it specifically states. Behaviour is fucking up majorly by trying to fix their game by mass data alone, they NEED to listen to the players and maintain an open forum. Especially today, there's AI to screen and filter the bullshit so its not like they can say "Our community is toxic and just is mean." They're being lazy and operating off of conclusions from abstracted data that is unrepresentative of the true game experience. Sorry for that rant, but nothing makes a statistics guy mad like a company ignoring everything but random statistics that they think is meaningful.
As someone whos played since beta off and on, i still love playing this game. I play my heart out when a good chapter comes out and when i get bored i usually quit for a few chapters so when i come back the game feels more fresh.
Putting yourself in the "right place, right time" is a skill and you can make a build around it. It probably won't be as good as another build, but there are still ways to be able to support your team by going for saves without outright neglecting gens. Learning the skills required to position yourself at the right place at the right time is a huge portion of survivor gameplay IMO. That said, it's still nice to be able to play with more intricate mechanics. Those mechanics that were removed were largely taken away from the game because they genuinely were unfun (obviously excluding things like sky-billy). What they should be doing (and what they are to some extent by adding in ways to remove hag's traps that aren't directly tied to one specific item) are adding new ways to support those players who loved to interact with obscure techniques.
Right place right time, til the killer just slugs because they know youre trying to save your teammate. Good luck if youre injured because they will just pinpoint your exact location. By removing features of the game, survivor just boils down to delaying the first hook state and gen rushing while toure at advantage. Is your random not doing gens while you're in chase.. well then ggs maybe, just maybe youll have a chance of one out against any competent killer. I escape a decent majority of my matches but i do try for saves/trades and i see my escape as a loss for the team if it's only me or another person. Bonus points if you run the killer every time for over 45 sec just for your teammates to go insta down. Theres literally nothing you can do, and if you lose too much the game just gives you baby killers. Like no joke its not fun to stomp shitty killers and then get sweated on when you have shitty teammates. Like maybe some people enjoy the ego boost but nah i just want good games like i dont mind losing if it felt good
It may be rose tinted glasses or nostalgia, but to me personally the game isn't what it used to be full stop. The more they "balance" the game the less fun it gets. Having room for things to be out of the scape of fairness on both sides promotes fun games as now you're getting variety in perks and peoples playstyles. Before you could run niche perks and pair them with others and get away with it until super high level. Now? Adrenaline,Windows,BT or DS, everyone runs at least one of these because without them you're a dead man walking. The games lost it's allure for a lot of people and I see why.
but what I don't understand is why they get rid of "high skill tech" things when they implemented the new MMR, if the MMR worked as planned why would they need to be concerned for new players, right?
@@jakonfire SBMM has never worked. It still prioritizes fast games over balanced games. And SWF's skew the MMR straight out the window, because there could be four players who all have completely different MMR
@@LoganHunter82 sorry but, where did I bring up SBMM? We’re talking about MMR, completely different subject. Everybody knows SBMM never works in any game, that’s why it kills multiplayer games. MMR has no reason to exist in a game like DBD. Especially when there’s no ranked system in play, it’s only for bonus BP’s.
in all fairness, a baby killer vs 4 high skilled survivors = nothing can be learned. Just getting rolled doesnt make anyone learn. MMR should matter but only to the new players, that way they can actually become better. Like growing better in a pond and then getting thrown into the ocean instead of just getting thrown into the ocean.
I still remember my only time versing you. I was a Mikaela (without the hat) and half way through, I gave up and wanted death, started chasing you around and it turned into a game where you wouldn't hit me at all, so I'd start healing someone right after you downed them and stuff, bodyblock hooks. It was one of the funniest matches I've played in a long time. Also I had a mini heart attack when I saw it was you.
I replayed Ocarina of Time no less than 30 times as a child. Spent many hours doing literally everything the game had to offer. I remember the game feeling like a great accomplishment everytime I saved Zelda in the final boss fight. So many times frustration and defeat being a hurdle to overcome through determination and the joys of triumph. I've played DBD for 3,500 hours and felt that same level of accomplishment less overall, but also less and less as time goes on. Winning often doesn't feel good and losing often comes at the hands of sore winners that make you feel bad for losing. It's a blast until a point. Where you're hundreds or even thousands of hours past the point of realization that the biggest change in the 6 minute trial gameplay loop happens only when people are being terrible to each other by prolonging the worst aspects of developer-allowed gameplay decisions. All done mostly by players that'll quit playing 1,000 hours earlier than you have.
tbf it wasn't the hug tech that was specifically targeted with the blight change. it was the "sliding off of objects during a dash for no reason" that was fixed.
@@BrightWulph I wouldn't even call it an exploit ya know? Def a tech. The problem is the tech was part of a massive bug that once fixed, removed the tech. I'm just happy that I won't run into a wall and NOT bounce off of it and slide on it like's grease covered lmao
@@OhPorty Yeah, I get it, it's like an incredibly niche situation that's technically a bug and its being fixed. I just find it funny, because people are complaining that "bugs don't get fixed in this game", so here's BHVR trying to fix a bug and everyone is yelling "No, not that one!" because it technically gives an advantage to lesser skilled Blights, because they can just *slide* off an object instead of bouncing.
@@OhPorty No, it's definitely an exploit by definition. It isn't intended. It's exploiting the way Blight's collision works. It wasn't a "tech" (everything is a "tech" in DBD).
We are trying to please players who have put 1000+ hours in our game. Thats why we are removing all fun features that were the reason for those people to play in the first place
I started playing during the 8th anniversary. It was so much fun. No one cared about winning. Everyone just wanted to have fun, earn BP, and do gens/hooks without 4-hook or 4-escape. As soon as the event ended, toxicity immediately appeared, and the fun started to go away.
"It's good that it was changed. But still, I miss it." Honestly, it's the consistently-bizarre mentality of the DBD community that makes me not play it anymore.
I can relate to it so much. Especially the variety part, playing with friends before MMR was an actual 180 from what it is now. Before you would go against the same killer at best 2 times in a row and it happend when matchmaking put the same person in the lobby back. Some games being fun and some bad. Overall experience? Insanely good cause laughs from one game can supress 3 next bad ones and what is it now? Get into a 4man group so drunk monkey playing darts matchmaking can decide you are a comp team and can go against comp wannabe Andy blight or nurse with 4 slowdown perks camping 3gen in the first 300miliseconds he loads into the game. The only thing you can see as variety with current DBD is rotation of 7 meta addons for blights and 3 different skins they use...
Getting rid of wesker's techs is wild it takes months or more to master them and they are very very rarely even useful they are just fun and the only reason I even play the game just to have something I can grind for something unique that just isnt in any other games. Such as moonwalking to me its so unique to this game can't wait for them to remove that again because newer players can't do it off the rip since they wanna give everything training wheels.
I love this game and try to have a "go with the flow" approach. I have a little over 8k hours and I really hope I never reach this point. I need small breaks sometimes but I hope I never reach a point that I want to quit.
I do the same, I rlly enjoy this game and have tons of fun on it, especially playing with a buddy of mine, I feel like a lot of ppl who “hate” the game or super tired of it etc take this shit way to serious and try to ride the meta or do this and that, I’m just like if u try to lighten up and just have fun it won’t be as “stressful” as they say it is
Thank you for continuing to make this content. It means so much to me to see dbd content creators. As a player that has been playing for 4 years. But also has trouble in some social situations and struggles with mental health issues. It’s comforting to watch or even just listen to dbd content. There is something about it that makes me feel safe and I just love it. I’ve been very sick physically recently and I haven’t been able to play dbd. But I find my comfort in solely watching dbd content creators in times like this. It feels like home. And I am so thankful that there are still creators willing to stick out the challenges of dbd at the moment and ongoing. THANK YOU x100
MMR made the game boring. Every game is sweaty, using the same perks, same playstyles, etc. It was more fun when you could try random builds and get paired against players of varying skills. Every game was a toss up on how it would play out.
Judging from all of these comments, I think people take this game too seriously. I play both killer and survivor have over 3k hours and I don't play to win I play to have a fun chase and to make the match entertaining. I never feel stressed out when I play DBD. Playing on the survivor side actually helps me relax. While playing killer can be a bit tougher, I never feel "stressed" because I'm simply playing for fun. Edit: Plus, I'm on Playstation, so end game chat is non-existent.
I can't help but wonder if some of these people are so burnt out, they can't have any fun unless they're winning, but try to pin the blame on the MMR or anything else.
I play the opposite. When I play killer, I play for fun chases and interactions with survivors. A lot of times I get my hooks and let everyone go, mainly to pay it forward after getting hard tunneled out of half my matches as survivor. But I got more stressed about survivor play because of depipping. Now that it’s going away, I won’t be stressed about that either. Won’t even really care about tunneling or proxy camping, because I won’t depip from it.
The problem with bhvr is that they don't listen to their consumers, their community, because they think they always know what's best for the game, which is clearly not the case. That's why the game has become less fun every day.
SBMM is a double edged sword. You play against equal players, but as you climb the ratings, it naturally pushes players to use the meta to excel (perks, playstyles, etc.), which means people optimize to find the best meta, which means you have to use that meta to survive, and so on.
Back when Mixer was a thing i was the top streamer on that game on that platform. I was a Rank 1 killer. I P3'd every killer. But i got burnt out after 2 years. I figured the entire game out. It got boring and after a while it got stressful. Ive been gone 4 years now and I MIGHT have fun going back now considering id have to relearn it. But i doubt id be back like that. Don't have the patience to chase people all damn day.
I'm glad most of these things were removed -- especially stuff like the Chucky and Blight tech. Giving a competitive advantage to the top 1% of the top 1% who practiced for hours doing what was essentially a bug is not an interesting game to compete in. The core problem is that there are not enough Things To Do, so I can understand her sentiment -- removing Things To Do is lame. I don't want game-breaking quirks, though. So lets get more NEW Things To Do, intentional quirks, that don't break the game. 3rd-person killer with Chucky was cool, seances in the basement was cool... MORE MORE MORE.
I also wanna add. My girlfriend started playing dbd with me as she wanted to spend more time with me. She has never played games. Only some nintendo games like mario kart or animal crossing. She started around this time the previous year. And she cannot play the game for more than 3 games because she’ll get tunneled out, or just killed very quickly. So them making changes for new players doesn’t even work. When i started playing the game back in 2019, i was an absolute noob. A streamer friend of mine had a lot of knowledge about the game and taught me and a couple of other friends the basics. I can’t say i played it a lot, but i really do understand why people miss the old game. It was way more beginner friendly. It was fun learning about little techniques and doing all that. Ive been playing almost everyday since 2021 now, mostly solo queue until april 2022. In that time i tried to get all achievements, most adept, tried to learn the most difficult skills and techs. Because after learning most perks from doing adepts and add-on too. I needed something different to keep me going. I still dont dare to 360 but for example i got better at dh, i got better at flashlight saving, i got better at burning wraith and crows, even tried it multiple time with nurse with some success. They all removed that now and its sad. I still play dayly tho, i still love the game, but i do agree that the games now are either a full win or an immediat (or atleast fast) lose. Its not fun for experienced players, but also not for beginners in the long run.
Oh ye i also wanted to add that there are a lot of QoL changes they shouldve added a long time ago, we now have searchbars and thats great. But a volume slider for the bloodweb? A randomizer for random perks on survivors ánd for killers? A randomizer for picking killers where u dont know which one you’ll get. More common perks for beginners? Its not that hard to program those things in and i know from experience cause i am a developer. Also, from a developer standpoint I just really dont get why they arent involved with the community more and take advice from veterans that want the best for the games? If i have to make a program for a customer, we will add most of what they want if its an achievable and a possible goal. Ofcourse customers dont always have the knowledge what is good or bad for their product, but thats why we developers give them expert advice too!! I dont get why behaviour doesnt listen to their experts… (aka the veterans, not even the developers!)
I started to play DBD because it was a nice change from playing competitive games. I was a competitive gamer my whole life and I wanted something to fill the void of competitive but not have to sweat and be stressed. I originally didn't like the game but it really grew on me because it was so different and chaotic, you really never knew what to expect in a match. I learned some techs that were super fun and DBD became the perfect non-sweaty "competitive" game for me. But lately the game has felt like it's leaning towards being a full competitive game where everybody runs the same perks, MMR making every game too much work to relax in, and I only face maybe 30% of the killer pool? I stopped playing killer mostly because it kept putting me against comp players and 5k+ players when I only have ~700 hours total. I can't play with my friends now because they aren't as into it and they just get tunneled instantly and don't want to play. It just feels like a competitive game now and I really just want to have fun. I don't care if I win or lose as long as the match was fun and interesting but every match just feels similar now. Skull merchant should just be removed IMO. Nobody likes facing her and honestly her perks are all kind of meh.
It's the fact when they go to nerf they beat it over the head with a metal bat, instead of just minor adjustments. For example, air billy, if billy doesn't have flooring, slight drag. Prevents people from shooting from the sky across entire map, but enables him to still make trick shots.
i also disagree with the the 180 flicks, skybilly, and hug tech all that shit was garbage and it allowed the players who mainned these killers to rely on unintended mechanics instead of just using their ability.
pretty much every game i was called trash and tbagged spammed i just don't wanna deal with it so its one the good reasons i quit that and I don't agree with some changes, always same mode and devs focusing on skins way more than anything. i don't agree with the point of cancel culture this and that, as the word is overused and people don't like to look at other core reasons when saying it and I can't help cringe when hearing someone say it tbh. I do thing devs should have done more with the toxic chats when reporting them. i know others who stopped as well because of it id rather play a game like ff 14 where its a lot nicer. i played anonymous mode because when i didn't i had people say a lot of crap on my profile even if i played fair so its not because people just do it to be toxic and I'm not making my whole account private just to counter something from one game... also she wants the wraith flashlight thing to come back she clearly played survivor most the time cuz that's a thing i hard disagree with her on. as for the changes they did some that were fine i think its wild to say all have done bad or only focus on the bad side of things devs have done this whole time and not acknowledge the good hence why I'm not a big fan of her video.
the issue with the variability of games is new players who want to play will stay if they lose one or two, but if a new player is stomped and is trying the game they aren’t returning. They need new game modes, not the removal of mmr.
@@Insanity-vv9nn Casual modes would fix so many issues. A hide and seek mode, a casual mode, a competitive mode, and if they want to be random make a random mode which gives you a random kill/character with a random set of perks, addons, and items
@@Insanity-vv9nn Identity V, AKA DBD's younger sibling, has that casual/ranked split. Trust me, matchmaking quality in there is NOT any better. Casual matches are a pendulum of "stomp/get stomped" that either swings every match or takes a dozen matches of getting stomped to get one game where you're the one stomping (and that's before the game has mercy on you and just tossed you into a bot match instead if you had a particularly bad loss streak), and ranked... Well, it's hardly an indicator of how skilled the survivors/killer you're going against will be, because smurfing is very much a thing. So no, a casual/ranked split would NOT fix the matchmaking in DBD. It's silly to assume it'll be that easy, and people will find something to whine about anyway.
@@DarkyLonewolf Agree, all the people going "WE NEED A CASUAL QUEUE!" are forgetting people will play like it's ranked on every single queue. It has happened to every single game with separate qeues, people use casual as "practice for ranked" and go as hard as they do in ranked (Preds in casual lobies are such a problem in apex that the communitiy made an unoffical pact to kill any pred in a casual lobby as soon as they drop and then resume normal play, for example). It will happen to DBD too, hell, it's already happening. Hop on the forum and see the countless posts about killers slugging in my little oni just so they can get that sweet sweet 4k. On a casual for fun mode that has basically no rewards.
i think a free chapter would be so beneficial to the game atm, a new killer and survivor a map 6 perks all for free it gives everyone something to look forward to
Burning the Wraith wasn't something that took skill. It was so stupidly easy to do and completely shut his power down. Chucky is still extremely oppressive without the flicks cuz he doesn't have a collision mechanic, he can't "bump" into walls. Burning the Nurse was extremely rare, I hate when people bring this up like it happened every game Nurse was involved in. I find it funny how she says she prefers this game broken, yet she has a list of changes? HUH. Make up your mind. How are you gonna complain about anything after saying, this game was at its most fun broken. She lost me there, that contradicts everything she said. 11:32 I dunno wtf he's saying here, but if you actually think the SBMM and MMR actually does anything, you kind of lose credibility with everything you said here. The reality is, these two things do NOTHING. The game is wildly inconsistent when it comes to matchmaking. I don't go a day on a forum where I don't see a post by a new player saying how punishing it is for them. It's a legit problem STILL. 15:58 no it shouldn't. If they focused on sweatlords in regards to balance, this game would have died years ago. If you do not focus around a new player aspect, you kill any growth this game could have and we know how all you braindead content creators love to look at steam charts. 17:11 this is factually wrong. There are plenty of games that don't have a big Twitch presence that have been successful long passed their primes. This is that DBD entitlement issue we keep seeing, the devs don't owe you shit for playing the game. "I play your game so I deserve all the stuff", no the fuck you don't. She's playing Valorant now, RNG Counterstrike, wait until she sees how games go there. She brings up one sided games being so prevalent here, wait until you play that game. It has one of the worst matchmaking systems in a competitive shooter designed to keep you playing. You ranked up twice? Welp, time to give you harder games to even that out. That's how Valorant works. TL;DR it's not that deep and there is plenty of factually inaccurate information in this video. 8 days later, she's back on the game.
Let me say this then, I played DBD ever since the release of Stranger Things, it what got me to love DBD, then years later buffs, nerfs and reworks happened but if you asked me, I would still play DBD even with all of these ridiculous buffs, nerfs and reworks, all im saying is that I will never quit DBD because it's MY best asymmetrical horror multiplayer game and nothing else.
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What wouldve also wanted to hear is the bad bad balancing of some maps. Some maps are SUPER unfair for certain killers and are basically IMPOSSIBLE to enjoy in high mmr. You can win as Deathslinger on Garden of Joy. Impossible. Also unfair maps for survivors too. But... big thing... the shitty hitboxes on objects "the invis walls". Crazy shi
If you know all about dbd, and u love learning, go comp maybe? no? Besides burning nurse, it's not skill expression at all. Delusionnal perma burning wraith = skill (no way she said after it was the funniest thing for her 😭) or hag's traps for that matter. Dodging flashlight's lobbies??? LMAO they can last second swap what do you mean??? Are you supposed to dodge lobby because the match is unfair?? Dont u contradict yourself Slushiettv? I agree on skybilly, breaking game but still, invisible walls are weird too, I agree. It feels who is the best killer macro & micro and who is the most coordinated team. Not who has the biggest %minus or %bonus on gen progression. " I rather play very unbalanced fun dbd". Ok, now imagine you are getting every match old nurse back to back tunneling you every game XDDDDDDDD yes yes so fun haha
yeah I stopped watching after the flashlight part cus I can't take that seriously... like what? most people did know those killer specific counterplays, maybe less known on nurse and artist but still. also wraith is nowhere near strong enough to justify the burning mechanic even being a thing, and after doing it so many times its really not that fun whether the wraith is properly dodging/taking cover or you succeed
took genuine aim to burn a wraith thats not standing still + its literally throwing wasting flashlight trying to do so, but would sucks for a killer to have some sort of counterplay thats not 24/7 being near a loop
Dang I actually didn't think I'd say this but I do miss flashlight locker saves. I don't know if I EVER got one as a survivor, maybe I did, or maybe I got saved, but as a killer the counter-play was quite simple: if you see someone pop in a locker, just start walking around, you'll inevitably find someone quickly and then get another free hit or down. It's those kinds of silly things that make the game really fun, and skill expression, and all of that. I don't know, maybe it is for better because I DEFINITELY got annoyed by it once or twice, but it DOES make it for some hilarious videos. What I also don't like is the constant little tweaks and updates though. I've been playing A TON of DBD recently, but even being one of the more core demographic users it can be quite frustrating having a little thing changed or there or little map change here or there. I'd get used to a map being a certain way (ie. the new Decimated Borgo map) and then boom they change it and then I'd struggle. Or for the locker flashlight save if you didn't read the patch notes to know it was changed, you might waste time attempting it only to realize it's not working suddenly. Trickster had some updates and I didn't know until I got destroyed by him and then I had to spend my next few games against Trickster adjusting, etc. It is difficult to keep up with things in this game, so chilling back down to a casual player definitely makes sense. Also, this game is SUPER addictive to the point that it can be unhealthy... Haha it can be great sometimes but I've definitely played an absurd amount in the past half year or so.
As someone who really enjoys the game and understands majority of the gripes. I have never understood why they haven’t created a ton of permanent alternate game modes. 8 years and we don’t even have a ranked mode separate with a casual mode. 8 years and we are still cranking away at gens. How we haven’t gotten any grand new type of alternate game experience is beyond me. They have the money and time to clearly do it. Especially when they are splitting off to create 3 new DBD universe games, movie, and more😂. That’s my biggest gripe. These limited modes we get are fun, but when we have them for such a short period, it makes it feel like a waste of time. Why put the work and effort towards a chaotic gamemode to not keep it as a permanent alternate mode. We can a sub menu. I’m not saying turn this shit into Fortnite, but the game needs something to completely refresh the experience that isn’t just buffing or nerfing a character.
I think the main flaw I'm finding with her reasoning here is that she's conflating 'fun skill expression' with 'good for the game'. Something requiring a baseline amount of learning does not automatically make it good for the game even if it's fun to learn and things that do not check both boxes at the same time absolutely should be removed, it's quite selfish to want the game to be broken just to be able to infinitely flashlight save from locker grabs for example which I assume most if not all killers would really not enjoy being on the receiving end of outside of the initial novelty. If something broken like that becomes meta then people are almost forced to do it to compete as the game will likely start to be balanced around that level of power, so removing things that aren't aren't good for the game even if they're fun to execute is a positive overall. Edit: Forgot to comment on her wanting a 'fun unbalanced dbd', that simply does not exist. It's either parasitic fun where you're abusing a broken mechanic and destroying the experience for the other side or just memories of you learning new things which is no longer possible due to time passing, people grow older and the same things that were once fun are now not due to things to learn dwindling naturally. It's not a problem, it's just life.
I think one of the big problems is that DBD originally was a fun party game, then people like Tru3Ta1ent complained enough for the devs to make changes and try to cater a bit more to the "competitive" players who wanted it to be a sweatfest. But instead of pleasing them, they ended up landing somewhere in the middle and pleasing nobody.
DBD was so much more fun under the Rank-based system. Sure, you might have been stomped sometimes, but I found that under Ranks, I had something to strive for (I remember working to get to red rank, and there wasn't any BP bonus!). As a Solo Q survivor, I found most people who achieved red ranks were competent. Also, these days, I barely play because it feels like escape is impossible for Solo. With all the proxy camping, tunneling- no fun perks- DBD made survivor perks DISABLE during the end game. And this eliminated the exhilaration of getting the Decisive Strike escape. I remember I ran Deliverance and DS. Two perks that have only a one time use. IF you even use them. And I actually escape from a facecamping Trapper. They're just sucking the fun out of the game.
I always hit Iri rank 1 back before sbmm and my 2 buddies would stay in purple and green just so the games were a little more casual and it worked out well, if we were stomping killers we knew they had to rank up a color, if the games got to sweaty we knew to try to derank. Now it's just all sweat all the time...
Everytime people argue for skill expression, it just ends up hurting lower skill/new players. I would definitely prefer keeping sbmm. What i also would like is a mode where you dont just lose on death when playing survivor or something to help against being gen rushed into oblivion. Wish there was some mode that felt good to play as both sides without just getting stomped and its over. They also need to add accessibility options... all the dark maps are too hard to see anything on. Everyone complains that trapper sucks, but i hardly ever escape against him. Its easy if you live and breathe dbd, but i only play every now and then. I believe the game is not in a great state because of cheaters, lack of accessibility, op perks (ultimate weapon needs to go), and nothing to bridge the gap between swfs and solo que. It also doesnt feel great going up against swfs as killer simply because they try "fun builds" that just force you into an annoying playstyle (often times either slugging or tunneling just to put up any amount of a fight).
Hug tech isnt even removed. That would need the devs to rework every collision modell on every map to have proper collision and thats probably never gonna happen. On cars and shack it still works.
Hug techs and scoot slides are not the same thing. They did in fact remove hug tech in ptb but you can still scoot slide on some things. Unless they make actual "perfect" collisions which probably would be janky and make you bump when it doesn't make sense you can't remove scoot slides.
The games dying and they're desperate, taking action in the wrong ways and trying to please as many people as possible in the worst way possible instead of trying to retain what miniscule player base they have left. On the flip side, if you leave the game "fun" for that playerbase, it gate keeps newer players from finding the fun in the game without spending a thousand hours in the game to find that fun. Whatever BHVR does, they are doomed to fail and DBD will just die eventually.
DBD is one of those funny games that I think everyone should take time away from it. I occasionally take two or three weeks off, then I come back and have fun again. I do think the game can get toxic and stressful, along with the same game play. But, with Lights Out and My Little Oni, I have hopes.
These are all valid opinions, but they don't listen voices expressing complaints, they look at statistics. And as I am writing this comment @slushiettv is already back to playing DBD and streaming right now. Streamers continue to be free marketing and bringing in new players through viewership, thus replacing the burnt the population with fresh players. They will continue to play the game despite the feelings of being burnt out because its their job and it provides money, and money rules above all us. Only the top 1% of streamers can escape playing DBD and continue to bring in a income, everyone else loses 70-90% of their viewership and is forced to think of a RL career which will almost often result in a job that leaves them feeling worse than playing the same old boring video game everyday.
honestly the toxicity and the stress reminds me of League of Legends and why I quit that game basically, so much toxicity, so much stress and it just makes the game so unfun.
@Irondragon194 If you compare let's say killer role with jg on lol is not even close, specially if u playing solo it slowly drain ur mental health, also I feel even if devs/community is still rlly bad on dbd , at least exists, I can't say same of lol
22:32 No that is not okay "they got yelled at and now they yell at u and thats okay" thats an eye for an eye basically and an eye for an eye leaves the world blind. Now the next Player can say "well i got yelled at by that kate so i yell at the dwight" and so on and so forth. If u gotta let something out then do sport or punch something (that dosnt break from it and that u own) but dont treat other people like shit just cause u were treated like shit or cause u had a bad day. AND PLAYERS IN A VIDEO GAME ARE STILL PEOPLE, something thats sadly often forgotten.
First point that she made was "skill expression" on survivor was taken away. What exactly is skillful in following the killer around with a flashlight and making their power in chases useless, virtually turning them in M1 killers. Lets be real the only time people do that is in a SWF where they try to bully the killer. That is not "skillful" at all. Its incredibly obnoxious as well from the killers side. And please don't tell me "just chase the person with a flashlight" when multiple people have it. You will start chasing the healthy survivor and let the injured one get away and heal and then they can start chasing you and you're back to square 1? Lets be realistic here. But she doesn't really consider that. It was a "fun little interaction". How is making a killers power useless in a chase exactly "little" or "fun" for anyone but survivors abusing it? Cause I sure haven't seen anyone on killer enjoy that. "hag has more countability now". Wrong. Because you can't stop midchase and disarm her traps anymore from a safe distance, which was the main issue. With flashlights you could. She did mention that they made the flashlights easier now but honestly it changed nothing at high level. Only thing it did is make anyone be able to get them. Her next point is they removed locker saves and it was another "fun little thing" you could do. Once again It was not "little" it was exploitable, quite easily as well. Its disingenuous. Not many people knowing about it or the timing being "hard" are stupid arguments. So just because few people know about an exploit then it shouldn't be removed? or because from your perspective it is "difficult" ? That's objectively wrong. "But it was uncounterable, I get it BUT STILL! it was fun" - Yeah I'm sure it was fun as a survivor main to abuse an exploit the killer had no counter to. But again we don't care about the killers experience. So as long as its something fun for the survivor to do it doesn't matter if its uncounterable as the killer, as you even acknowledged ? Exploits are ok, if they are fun...? You cant possibly be serious. The killer "techs" is subjective to everyone if they are fine, too strong, should or should not be in the game so I will not comment on that. The first good point she made what the invisible walls being added everywhere that nobody asked for and that the fun is being sucked out of the game. Second good point she made was that the game was better before SBMM. That's true. And there are many reasons for the game being better back then. Want to admit it or not but STRONG kill perks allowed the killer to not sweat his ass off to get a 2K AND most people were happy with even 4-8 hooks and no kills as long as they got their BBQ stacks. BBQ BP stacks being removed is THE worst decision BHVR ever made. I know so many people that had their objective to get hooks instead of kills. Take that away and people not only now have the main objective be kills only BUT it also means 4 slowdown perks instead of 3 slowdowns + BBQ which realistically nobody on the survivor side considered OP or complained about. Only rank 20s ever complained about it. The aura reading made it so killers stopped camping because they got a new target in sight and kept the match fluid. Now everyone camps and tunnels MORE than ever. Adding punishments to killers that camp and tunnel doesn't help. People will still do it. Negative reinforcement never works. You will just annoy the community. And honestly it encouraged camping and tunneling by adding the anti-camping mechanic. It NEVER helps if the killer has half a brain cell. "knight is unfun to play as and against" - That's subjective. I have fun playing him, argument invalid. Everything else that needed "nerfed" she is right. However I don't like that she mentioned so many killer powers and perks being a problem but never actually went into the survivor details even if she said "don't worry I'm not one sided". Sure looked like it for 80% of the video.
Keep in my mind, this is just HER reason for wanting to take a break the game. She's not telling you why these are reasons you should quit the game. So having to say someone not liking Knight being a subjective and invalid argument is unnecessary because this is just her reasoning as to why she's taking a break. Cool if you like Knight, but I'm sure there's plenty of killers you don't like as well for your own subjective reasoning. It's fine if you disagree with her on some things, but you shouldn't try to invalidate her whole video just because she had her own subjective reasons as to why she liked the game.
@@kangshen1125 I understand that but I will still call her out on bias or when she is wrong when she makes certain claims. "Its my opinion" is not a impenetrable shield that protects you from critique when you say something stupid, sorry that's not how the world works.
18:10 It's like they stream for DBD and not their own profit. 🙃 Ofc that developers don't know what to do anymore bcs we ask for balance, we get it, it's not good. We ask for SBMM, we get it, not good, we ask for bugs and exploits to be removed, then it's not fun for us anymore. DBD is not the problem, but thousands of consecutive hours of playing it. All we need is to take a long break and we will enjoy it when we return. I have 4k hours since 2019. and I've had few breaks since then, the last one was the whole 2023. It is simply impossible to play continuously and not get tired of it. DBD is great game, in best shape ever, other than toxicity I don't see anything worth complaining about.
That comment, and follow up rant by Coconut, was really weird to me. BHVR acknowledges content creators CONSTANTLY. I genuinely don't know how much more they could do without throwing a parade for every timmy with 1 viewer on twitch. They do the fog whisperer program, which yes, picks specific positive creators. Because those creators are out there representing the company in how they play and interact. They also have Otzdarva as a fog whisperer. He does more for the community than literally anyone else on the platform. There is no single better channel to learn about the game than Otz, and BHVR had him on one of their recent streams. Is that not acknowledging the community? I have never heard of slushie until this video. I did not know who coconut was until last week when I went against someone pretending to be him and had to look him up. Is their content good? Maybe. But BHVR literally CAN NOT promote every single channel that's ever uploaded something. It's just not feasible. They've done more than enough acknowledgment, in a way anyone with any business acumen can understand. If they've even bothered to contact you and put you in the program, that's lucky enough. Heck let's actually look at both of their youtuber pages. Their content looks functionally identical. Does BHVR really need to roll out the red carpet for youtuber number X with a "I Made tunneling killer #7 GIVE UP" with 1000 views? That's what Slushie's youtube page looks like. Half of the content on Coconuts page is him doomposting about how the game is dying, or the standard content you see on every other page about generic builds or stream compilations. Take the titles of 90% of his content, and slap it on JRM's page or SpooknJukes, and you'd have no idea those videos didn't belong. Outside of it being general content for the sake of it, how are these videos growing the game in any major way? Are they actively improving the community? Teaching new players? Spreading the love of the game? Yeah, I'm sure "10 things that have been removed that made the game actually fun" is just driving new people to pick up the game. Just existing in a space making "content" does not give you special privileges. You are not unique, and BHVR doesn't owe you anything because you made a video about getting good with nurse that has 700 views. Absolute entitlement from both of them to expect BHVR to do any more than they already have. As far as the cancel culture comment... stop. No actual major creator in the DBD community has been canceled simply for calling a killer or survivor a bitch. That hasn't happened. You cannot name an example of it. If people were losing their jobs because of something as innocuous as calling a killer or survivor a bitch, people like Ayrun, JRM, and Otzdarva wouldnt exist. They do that shit near daily. Get the fuck off twitter and stop giving that kind of shit any head space. At this point it's your own fault if people crying on twitter about dumb shit is something you're still dealing with. Twitter is far more cancer than DBD ever has been, and you 100% don't need to constantly engage with it to grow your platform.
@gamma626 I can't take this game seriously or the content creators especially when Slushie played dbd on stream yesterday. Yes let me trust a streamer who said she quit 5 days ago then go to their stream & she's playing it!! Like huh?! Makes me think she's a disingenuous person
What she said about stagnation is true lol the game needs more chaos I hope the next anniversary is as good or better than the last one because it was probably the best event i've ever played
15:58 well I'm pretty sure they would strongly disagree on this point, the majority of people playing DBD are not 1000+ hours veterants, new players represent the biggest demographic.
ain't no fucking way she's arguing for locker blind. "Yeah, it was uncounterable, unfair, wasted an extreme amount of killer time, and made the match unwinnable for the killer but it should have stayed"
playing any side almost exclusively for a long time makes a lot of people delusional. I play more survivor than I do killer but it's clear from what place her complaints are coming from
@@ghostmyers2019 yes. because everyone wants to waste an entire perks slot because of 2 flashlights. I mean it's not like the LOSERS who abused that brainless exploit did it explicitly to bully the killer and only switched to flashlight last second.
Yep, the fun has been zapped out of the game. I don't play it anymore with over 3k hrs. My fun dipped dramatically with the Artist where it became a hold W rather than looping/mind games around walls and pallets. I never cared about winning or losing I just wanted to have fun
Thank you for covering this as well. I absolutely loved the comparison you made with DBD as a heartbeat. I feel like I've been on a flat-line for so long, but those limited time game modes (like My Little Oni) gave me a heartbeat again. And yeah, I do lean more to the unbalanced DBD, simply because it feels like a more variety of games happen rather than games with the same perks over and over. That's not to say I don't enjoy the game balanced as well, it's just the games start to feel stale really quickly :(
Those limited time game modes were awful. Something as simple as a perk randomizer mode for all players in a lobby would be incredible, without changing the core mechanics of the game so much so that it is unattractive after just one game.
I'm so sorry. I didn't know my merchant was bringing people so much grief during the genkick meta. I was a wraith main before Merchant released. Dying light, Thana, Call of brine, Overcharge. I wasn't trying to be mean. I main tank in OW2 and Gen Defense was my favorite playstyle til it got nerfed. I guess I got what I deserved
Amazing video btw
Precisely why i stopped playing. When they started to nerf perks, changed the movement, and stuffed flashlights completely.
One of my favourite memories was a 3 gen chase against an oni, with my friend cgasing behind with a flashlight. I went down in a jungle gym eventually, and he pulled off one of the best saves I've ever seen. Fast vaultin the window with sprintburst and nlinding the killer with precise timing.
The game is ruined. Dbd is now "Devs Bad Decisions".
Seeing BHVR choose to invest in gimmicky game modes instead of fixing the massive list of the games problems was the main reason I quit tbh. They're not interested in any fixes for problems. Their idea of 'fixing' the awful onboarding for new players was to sell the perks to them better. Tells you everything you need to know about the game and company behind it.
"Ever since 3-genning Skull Merchant, I have _forced_ myself to play the game" is righteously accurate
Yeah it sucks when you get a killer and it triggers you so much that you just don't want to play >
3 gen skull merchant was the best thing that happened to the game from Killer perespective
@@markosusa5823 No, no it wasn't. Even killers hated it.
There's way more aids things in the game to play vs as survivor, the game is complete dog doo doo.
If it's Merchant I'll AFK from the start of the match every time. I feel like if players could see the killer in start lobby that killer would get dodged nearly 100% of the time.
Next to no one wants to play against a killer that can essentially camp four locations at once
Game just too stressful. Even if you’re Good or bad tbh. Plus toxicity
Yeah. I'm playing games to relax and you can't relax in DbD
exactly, did a game after a few months of not playing, got badham vs a stacked swf, didnt dc cuz why would I, but instantly closed the game
@@gdjolly4115 And after that you just don't want to continue playing.
Had the same experience and after the match I didn't want to go for another match. I closed the game and felt like that was enough DbD for the week
@@ImWhyMortalsCry play survivor if you wanna relax. It's way more chill than killer.
@@Porkwhitemeat Not for me
Solo que doesn't work for me, friends don't play and I may be good at doing gens and hiding but when the killer starts chasing me that's it
Can't do chases at all
My answer as a killer main who's been playing since late 2017:
Because just loading into a match makes me stressed. My chest tightens and I dread playing the game. Its a game. I shouldn't feel like that, but I do. The entire match that follows, no matter how well I do, is just stress. There's no fun anymore. The only time I still have fun in dnd is when I play customs with friends.
Finally! someone who fucking gets it i thought i was just like crazy sensitive. I started playing right as Pyramid Head released and mained killer for my first maybe 750 hours? After that i just couldnt handle playing killer. It made me actively less happy, playing made me feel stressed and i couldnt stop putting pressure on myself to win so i wouldn't get BM'ed by sore winners. I know its pretty dumb but yeah, now @ 4,000 hours and much happier being a survivor main.
I’m a killer main too and it’s the same way for me. I’m glad I ain’t the only one who experiences this.
I started playing seriously like 2 years ago and have alot of fun. I honestly used to feel this when i was alot newer..
Damn not just me then. Idk why killer makes me so stressed. Playing survivor I'm always chilling but killer it's just different and I wish it wasn't
I felt like that for so long and finally quit the game. What used to be fun, became a hostile battle about winning at all cost. And not even the winner(s) have fun.
we need a game mode with either random perks, or no perks (add-ons or items) at all, while having a separated matchmaking for it, so we can play smth different every now and then
Chaos modification is here now
Til monday ..@@dilliano5
YES! We definitely need a mod like this, it's helpful and innovative especially for new players.
A second killer and fifth teammate might make things interesting 💀
@@SSGoatanks 2v8 coming this month
In regards to the twitch shirt thing, I sort of feel this way in regards to UA-cam content/other platform content too. It feels like Twitch is the main platform for DbD/devs promoting stuff, which is fine of course, but I do wish they'd balance that out a bit. Additionally, for me, someone who focuses a lot on the lore of the game, it also feels like lore stuff is barely given the time of day or care and it's just a bit frustrating tbh when I do my best to engage people with it or discuss it in general. I would love if there could be some fog whisperers say who could focus on the lore/come on streams and talk lore with devs. Someone like Pixel Bush imo is perfect for that and would be a good representative/spokesperson. Great video!
Hey Everyone... andddddd Goodbye.
I F*cking HATE the invisible walls. Even on killers that dont have ranged attacks you can still run into them and they feel *TERRIBLE* every single time. :(
"So baby killers dont go against unfair matches with high skill surivors". It doesnt work. Ive been facing people with thousands of hours ever since ive had a few hundred. People with literally 10x or higher time in the game while i was (am) still learning.
I do use anon mode because i dont want hate mail for how i play. Generally im a fairly nice killer, rarely tunnel, only "proxy" and "camp" if i think there is a survivor nearby or if all gens are done, but i know idiots will always complain.
However, i absolutely can see people using anon mode to play as despicably as possible because there is 0 repercussions.
Almost forgot to mention, i will absolutely return ingame toxicity. Wanna tbag at every pallet? Congrats! Your prize is getting tunneled.
Yea they are a terrible addition.
I think you should play however you feel. You paid for the game and put time into it. If it’s apart of the game go for it lol. Only thing I despise are the cheaters but if it’s part of the game people should only get mad at the devs not how the killers play the game. People act like killers should just let them win lol. Just my worthless two cents you didn’t ask for 😅
@@slimjones23 nah your right. That being said, not everyone sees it that way. As long as it doesn't break terms of service, it should be fair play.
I will say this, from personal experience...before I even had 1,000 hours in DbD, I was a Myers on Grim Pantry, against another Streamer (and her 4-man team) with a combined total of 7k hours...
And they were absolutely garbage of running, always just hiding and running into walls. Even 2-hooking them all (while the main streamer hid and then ragequit from her second hook) (this was also before bots were added) made them mad at me.
Prestige Number and Hours Played =/= Skill Level
It should, but some people (myself included) plateau and never are able to reach a higher plain of making better mind games, or carrying out exceptional loops. Hell, even the greatest players in this game only really show off most of their "best" games, or the "games they had fun in."
I applaud you for "only" doing what is needed if you need to apply direct and immediate pressure, towards the end. I think the same - I hate camping/tunneling (unless I absolutely need to apply pressure). 7 out of 10 games, I seem to get babies or subpar loopers...my own general rule of thumb I follow is, "If I dominate before 1 or 0 gens left, I go for 2 hooks on everyone, then dick around and have fun...I don't want other players to quit the game because I 'went sweaty-try-hard on them.'" Otherwise, 2 Out/2 In is my usual preference.
God forbid someone tbag to get your attention 😂. You're exactly the kind of fragile-ego'd player that made me quit playing. Always for some offense I had no idea I was committing. Two wrongs don't make a right, and without in-game chat, there's no way to be certain someone was actually trying to pass you off.
Balance is so poor you see the same thing every game due to MMR being implemented and it also makes the game extremely stressful depending on who you choose to play. You CANNOT balance a game around casuals while also having an MMR system, it fundamentally does not work and results in stale, repetitive and unrewarding gameplay.
I mean... Without MMR, there would be a LOT more matches being absolute stompfests for one side or the other.
@@DarkyLonewolf You're missing the point. MMR isn't the problem, the balance combined with the MMR is. Nobody would be complaining about MMR if alot of things were viable at the latter end of the MMR scale. But they aren't which is why you see the same builds, same killers and same survivor perks over and over and over. The difference between a Nurse and Ghostface shouldn't be so insanely high.
@@JCglitchmaster To be fair, Identity V, which can be best described as DBD's younger sibling, has a casual/ranked split system, and it's not really any better there (the power creep there is even worse than in DBD). There is also a conversation to be had how, when it comes to any competitive video game balance in general, achieving true balance where everything is viable anywhere is... Something of an impossible pipe dream, really. It's not just a DBD problem.
So the game has to play by your rules ?
I see this take a lot, and let me just say that the casual player isn't who most game studios want. They want the hardcore whales who're going to spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on their game. People who will sink thousands upon thousands of hours into their game. Yeah, you want casual players too, but if you ONLY cater to the casual player and alienate the people who are actually good at your game, your game will die. Look at what happened with Overwatch. They started catering exclusively to the casuals who weren't invested in their game and became the laughing stock of the videogame world. The exact same thing will happen to DbD if they keep pushing updates that the higher skill players don't like.
Honestly, my biggest peeve with the game right now, as you and Slush mentioned, is SBMM. Out of almost 100 games, it's mostly been utterly destroying teams (most of which seem like new players) or getting destroyed by people WAY outside of my skill level as a killer. I can literally count the number of close games on one hand. In my experience (and opinion), going between these two extremes is rather agitating because there's no middle ground for my matches and no fun. It's either be bored and feel sorry for romping on new people and apologizing to them for such a terrible game on their end, or get romped on and made fun of or mocked. Be bored or stressed, a perpetuating cycle. Again, that's my experience. Thank you guys for speaking up about this topic and I hope the game can get in a better state so it doesn't slip into nothingness.
honestly the moment SBMM was added was unironically the exact moment my matches turned to stompfests. Now more than ever, it's become even worse with most stomp fests favouring the tunneling killer or the sweaty survivor group, it's just not fun
i played casually on both sides and i can relate to getting op teams as a killer that i have no chance against or what feels like player who just installed the game. In teory SBMM should make games challanging, because you go against people on your lvl and it's the comeplete opposite
So you are saying that SBMM is NOT working and that is your problem. The opposite of what this video is about.
@@shabranigdo we must have watched different videos then, considering he said in the video that matches are either stomps or 4 man escapes
The duality of higher mmr bully squad and survivors that think they can turn a corner and lose you.
There is no in-between anymore.
I’m a demo main and those invisible walls off of buildings broke me
they all effect plague's vomit too, BHVR don't care
I feel you man
I identify so hard with the heartbeat-analogy. I used to play DbD alone sometimes. Now I only play with some friends. And when I do, I survive 1/10 matches, if even. Is it because I'm not too good? Possibly. But it definitely is also because the killers we get are above my skill-level or are simply camping and tunneling from the get-go.
Nah that was a huge logical fallacy.
It's also because they nerfed survivor into oblivion, just because they couldn't balance swf squads. In the past I used to be very good on surv because I learned all the cool techs you could do, but now I'm like everyone else.... average. And no matter how hard I try, there is just nothing for me as a survivor to get better in. Maybe I need to get better in repairing gens 😂
After years of waiting for a Twins rework only to get the steaming pile of a PTB I don't think BHVR listens to anyone but mass Twitter movements. Like how do you ignore all of the free rework ideas that Twins mains have been advocating for over the past several years?
>mass Twitter movements
Now you better choose your words carefully when you explain what you mean by that, because I know that a UA-cam comment going "Twitter bad" has a 50/50 chance of being one of THOSE kinds of gamers.
@@DarkyLonewolf
Nah twitter is filled with idiots, don’t pretend like that’s not the case.
@@DarkyLonewolfI’m hoping they’re referring to adding bloat and to the game via skins/shitty reworks, and not one of the “grr there’s a gay person in my game”
@@DarkyLonewolfhe means that BHVR is way to quick to bend the knee to the DbD twitter sphere compared to any other side of the community, he’s not saying that DbD listen to much to the LGBTQ community, idk why your insinuating that shit, and if that’s not what your insisting then what are you even trying to say?
They have gotten hundreds upon hundreds of free, easy, and solid solutions to rework the twins with, but they didn’t listen, they don’t even listen to their fucking fog whisperers, there’s a total reason why even Otz is getting fed up with DBD and BHVR, they never listen, all they do is stick their heads in the sand and make such baffling decisions it’s so tough to root for them.
That’s what Choy is saying, he’s not a “GamerTM” who hates gay people, he’s just annoyed with the knee jerk decisions BHVR make, which is reasonable
Otz interviewed a twins main & Devs actually commented on her rework suggestion video then they screwed everything up
Because the game is literally a detriment to your mental wellbeing.
-The gameplay is as repetitive as can be
-Most people only play for a while because it has some addicting qualities
-The community is absolutely toxic
-There's just nothing much to it than a new killer and surv every few months.
-Theres only so much content you can make on dbd before it gets stale and repetitive. Everything's been done one way or another and the only 'interesting' new things are new chapters. And they stay interesting for a week MAX post launch before they get stale again.
I know a few content creators who quit DBD because they don't need that kinda vibe in their life and honestly good for them.
Will 2v8 or 5v5 game mode save this game that people been wanting for?
@@assembled1855 Hahahahahaha... No
@@1m073zh Why not? They want intensity and absurdity stuff in this game for a long time.
@@assembled1855 Such things are fun, but in the long run entirely irrelevant if the core of the game has issues - which DBD has plenty of. So no game modes at all can 'save' the game, they'll be fun for a while but then people will get over them and return to the default stale state of the game - just like how everyone is super excited for new chapters and killers, only for the hype to go down a week or two after release lol
The detriment to your well being
Is Doing something you don't like consistently ;which is a self indulged problem unless it's something you're forced to do.
All games have levels of repetition
All games have hyper abrasive people.
People never considered the fact;
You've been doing the Same thing for Nearly a Decade.
Eventually you will experience burnouts if you do not take a break .
You will grow Cynical Towards problems that compared previously were minor in scale , but now weigh you down.
In terms of content Creation when you need to be creative but within the limits of a Niche Niche
Then you're kinda set-up for burnouts.
People need to expand their horizons, and set the thing down for a WHILE to see if it's something they wanna pursue.
The twitch shirts comment is so interesting. I used to stream to 0 viewers off of my Xbox with no mic and one day I had twitch shirts on my account. I genuinely thought that it was just something included with the game but people kept tuning into my stream just to ask how I got my twitch shirt. And then, just as quick as a got them, they were suddenly removed. This was probably toward the end of 2020. I have clips of me wearing it I think
Yeah, a lot of accounts randomly got them. It’s weird
DAMN I REMEMBER THAT you unlocked my memories
I never streamed and I had the twitch shirt BUT when dead hard got switched to an anti tunnel perk I stopped this game for over 13 months, when I came back they all went missing they are gone 😅😅
people always correctly bring up MMR being an issue, but always get wrong *why*.
MMR isn't strict enough, you're stomping/getting stomped every other game *because* it's practically non-existent between a ridiculously low MMR cap and the system prioritizing speed over more fair matches
exactly this I have had plague games where I have had to sweat my ass off just to double hook yet the game before where I swear I jsut want to pick up the survivors and sit them on my lap while I do the gen as they're clearly new and been fucked over by the mmr trying to fill a killer slot
What makes it all worse is that one of the game developers is a killer mane so it’s mostly sided for them
Matchmaking was fine before SBMM. SBMM is a bad idea in all contexts.
21:50 god forbid a streamer saying a survivor was lucky
Go away with you echochamber lol
I legitimately had more fun on DBD before SBMM - I am a solo player usually and i can vividly recall actual variety in my matches. Now? Now I only play if theres events or game modes added. Some matches, I'd be killed off quickly yeah and in others it felt rewarding to survive [if that's the right word?]
But now? Now as a 3000 hour survivor, im aware that if i load up into solo? I'm more than likely going to get fucking wiped. I'm not a competitive person, I'm a casual player; I use perks I like, but I shouldn't feel like I HAVE to bring the sweatiest build known to man just to TRY and escape. But before SBMM? I felt I could run silly perks I liked and still have fun.
Same, endless grind.
I dont have as many hours but I feel the same way. Every 6 months or so I boot up, pick a killer with whatever themed loadout I used on it before, and play a game. Every time I instantly remember why I stopped playing. Its really unfortunate because before SBMM my friends and I would play and have a great time.
I have more hours and feel the same. Uninstalled last week after asking myself if being a masochist was worth it for this game.
Same I used to enjoy the game before SBMM
But now…I don’t even bother touching it
This is why I quit. They’ve been lowering the skill ceiling for a while. They want every game to remain the same, it used to be so fun and there was so much killer and survivor interaction the way they’ve changed the game it’s like the only way to play is to gen rush and the only counter is 3 gen. There’s not many fun games that aren’t just that they’ve made it flatline like you’ve said, just boring every game feels exactly the same
Why so many content creators quit DbD? Sheesh. "I hate that the devs took out all the exploits that I've been using, so there for it's not a game for me anymore and I'm quitting."
Problem with the game right now is that SOME players (really loud minority, tbh) want it to be a "competitive game", when this game was designed to be a casual party game. It's every time the "comp sweaters" start to emerge to a game, that is the downhill. Same happened with Overwatch. It was fun and exciting game until OWL began and everyone thought they were the hottest best player in the game.
This game is meant to be played as casual. 99% of the players are casuals. The only people that have time to learn all the techs and nyances of the game, are streamers and people who do not go to work. And streamers themselves are burning themselves up because they play DbD as their job. It's not the games fault. It's players and the streamers fault. This is not a competitive game.
17:18 "Streamers are the backbone of this game" Entitled much? No... It's not the streamers. It's the players
Nah, overwatch hasn't been spinning the toilet bowl because of its games competitors
Bro it takes 2 seconds to learn to window tech get good
@deniedgosling3282 he means shit like sky Billy and blight hug tech
Locker saves still exist! You can either bait a grab or do the old locker save with a flashbang
the sheer amount of things in DBD that don't have any counterplay or skill expression is seriously baffling
There are other ways to save people from lockers still
@@HockeyM.M. new locker saves have counterplay lol
@@gibbybtw280 you cant send reaction images on youtube because people like you would get their inboxes filled 24/7
but that has counterplay, well the first thing you said does, the second one is related to a perk only so it doesnt really...
The longer you spend with something the more familiar you become with the good. What keeps you there you take for granted and all the negative becomes more and more eye catching. Breaks are without a doubt very healthy. I took close to a full year break where I played only a handful of hours and played other games. When I came back I was reminded of what I loved so much that even the negative could not overshadow it. But with time that feeling slowly creeps back.
I agree! This is me with every game, not just DBD. Something fresh is good.
I respect this opinion and I'm glad that this was your experience, but I have never disagreed with a sentiment more in my entire life.
I have taken many long breaks without playing this game, the longest being 2 entire years, and not once when I returned did I enjoy myself. Every time I have returned, I am *quickly* reminded of why exactly I despise this game. Not playing this game has genuinely made me happier whenever I turn on my PC. It's honestly sad how little this game has changed in meaningful ways for this to continue happening and I've personally run out of care to give this game that many second chances anymore. So while I can see your perspectives, I seriously don't think it applies to this game for the most part. Not in my experience, at least. This game is just consistently a bad time.
Good for you guys tho, if you can have fun with it, more power to you.
The community is not simply the salt farm or sensitivity. The community is heinously tribalistic. Which in turn affects how the devs feel about making adjusts. The amount of people who cannot see the forest for the trees and moan about changes without thinking about what the reason for changes are, that tire me out. It's a huge reason why I stopped playing, and to be honest, the points touched upon compound the issue, so it tracks.
I wanted to play DBD more when i got to play Artist, cause I genuinely enjoy the cross-map sniping playstyle with her. It is one of my favourite things to chase a Survivor off a Gen and long shot a Survivor on a gen on the other side of the map, and keep track of that while dealing with a Survivor near me. Succeeding in the long shots with her is so satisfying to do. And the feeling of the game just becoming all samey with no variation makes me wonder if I bother anymore.
My problem was all the crying and people not being able to trash talk. So what if little Timmy cried because he got called a bitch, fuk little Timmy.
To me it seems like people complaining about the "loss of skill expression" are just upset they can't abuse exploits anymore, such as the locker blinds. There was no reason as to why this should have been left along as long as it was. Especially with Head-on+Flashbang combo.
Again with the Blight "techs" people complained that he "slid off too many objects" are now upset that he can't do that anymore. BHVR is fixing a "bug" but apparently the people use abused the exploit aren't happy about it. Same with Chucky flicks, it's an exploit.
BHVR is actually fixing the game, and people are complaining. 😅
@@BrightWulph the statement "exploits are bad" is false. Some of them are good, for example nurse blinding which is a really skillful thing
Responding to your first paragraph, a big part of that is because of people like Slushie, not saying that in a bad way. But there are a LOT of people out there with 1k+ hours that have barely or never even touched killer. I've really only ever heard of this happening for the survivor side, but there might be some killers like that as well. And when you don't play both sides why would you care about proper balance? So we see a lot of tribalism and awful takes about balance because that isn't what they actually want or they have no clue.
@@BrightWulph That's just not how game development goes. Bugs happen all the time and some of them because staples to gaming culture itself. Look at Street Fighter. Combos were a bug and then everyone fell in love with them. When bugs happen the community and the developers decide what is good and what is bad. You can't blanket statement say "all bugs bad!" because that isn't how game development works.
techs as a reason for new players to get stomped doesn't really make sense when there are other variables that would have the same effect such as add ons that change the game (myers) or just overall the number of killers we have, by the time you faced every killer atleast twice you already learned a lot and if you get queued against someone who knows how to use certain techs even though you are new to the game then there's something wrong with the matchmaking and not with killer techs
they should add a ranked mode where killer chooses their perks in the match lobby after they found their lobby and survivors can band 2 perks and the killer can ban 4 survivor perks and survivors cant use duplicate perks to have them challenge themselves more. (survivor main) but the MMR in this ranked mode needs to be like all iri rank go in a team against iri killer gold rank against gold and so on. reply for thoughts guys please.
I don't think "so many" content creators _are_ quitting DBD. People come and go with every game and if the sample is taken over the period of months or years, well yeah, some of those are gonna be content creators. A few will even have a large audience. But it's not really statistically significant.
That being said, I agree that skill expression being removed from DBD is disappointing. Meta perks and the map you go to have always been more important than how good either side is at the game, that is why they're so heavily restricted in comp. Once you get good at the game and go against other people who are also good, matches can feel like one big, long cutscene. Time spent holding W in chase, pallets you absolutely have to break, check spots you can't mind-game, endurance you just have to hit through, hooks that you'd have to be crazy not to camp out... And then a nearly non-existent end game because everyone has Adrenaline. You can pretty much predict the entire match from start to finish.
People haven't just optimized the fun out of the game- they've optimized the gameplay out of the game. No meaningful or interesting choices or risks are being made, just the most braindead gameplay loop possible.
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Killers bring pop pain res dms grim embrace survivors bring adrenaline lithe windows etc just makes the game so boring, if killers don't bring that build they get destroyed, if survivors don't bring that build they get destroyed
Not in my solo queue let me tell you, they unoptimized any chance to win out of my games lmao. But as a killer 100% agree, when you're not even allowed to see if other people are in a group that could be a 4man premade, even if you're a solo queue you should see, it's always detrimental to any video game to take things like that away from players.
Honestly, I'm unironically glad I'm hanging around like, mid to low MMR on survivor and killer alike, because I actually get to try out builds other than THE META(tm).
I don’t think “skill expression” is being removed from the game. Glitches come and go with every game and yeah some of those glitches are gonna be fun. A few will even miss those glitches. But it’s not really statistically significant.
Taking a break from dead by daylight can really work wonders. Last time I played DBD was in 2022 and I have now started to play again since the New Chapter and the Blood Moon Event. And me and my friend have so much fun at the moment, I think just taking a long break after playing the game for literal years is a good thing to do for a lot of people.
Welcome back!
unfortunately it didnt work in my case. quited after dredge release, playing recently barely gave me satisfying feeling like before.
@@candyballlecture627 I've quit lots of main games. Some I still love (Starcraft). Some I now hate (Overwatch). I wonder how far I'll go with DBD. I'm 3 years in.
I took a three year break from dbd and returned to leave again after only a couple months cuz it just isn’t fun anymore.
I quit for a long time and came back with a new mindset just chilling playing music every match with killer and survivor.
It takes so much stress away but the skill expression being cut out makes the future of playing this game seem bleak.
I think the reason I always returned to and played DBD back before skill based matchmaking was a thing, was because of the whacky matches you could have. For example skybillies, watching baby killers/survivors learn the game, spacebillies, skydemos and so forth. But now every match feels the same with killers running the same 3 perks + some other op perk and survivors having a very small difference in their perks as well. I think that this is due to dead by daylight just becoming a cash grab where they put more effort into cosmetics then the actual gameplay experience.
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Absolutely spot on comment. I just want mmr gone. It truly sucks any form of fun out of the game. This is not a comp game and it certainly isn't balanced either. Why is mmr in the game?!!!
If DBD removed MMR I would come back. As it stands now, why should I play this stress simulator when there are better games to play that don't raise my blood pressure?
casual matches are just too damn competitive now with the implementation of MMR. they should have added separate casual & competitive queues a long time ago.
Personally at 4k hours, I just miss joining a lobby and having no idea how the game was going to turn out. For example, if I play survivor, I usually get the same 5 killers, and they will always have the same 5-10 perks on, and my teammates will always be around the same skill level. The games just feel stale to where everyone escapes easily, or we all die instantly.
One thing I've been confused about for awhile now is why they haven't made casual and competitive their own entities. Most games do that nowadays, and while it's not a perfect system and may require more work, I feel it could be better for both new and long-time players. Forcing everyone into basically a competitive atmosphere with the SBMM, ranks/grades, and meshing new players who probably wouldn't even want to play a competitive match, with people who absolutely sweat at this game also plays into why some people get shit on when they're not doing well at the game, not to mention killers using boring strategies (like camping) to ensure they get their win. They could make competitive its own playlist, and causal its own playlist and in the casual playlist, they could also add in their temporary modifier game modes like the lights out and my little oni. Honestly, my gf still loves playing this game, but I can't stand it right now; trying to balance THE ENTIRE GAME around people who want it to be more competitive and "balanced" rather than it's og vibe of being a scary, hide from the killer game has hurt it way more than anything else I think.
I can say honestly, i've been playing videos pretty much all my life. I played CS:GO, COD, Valorant, league, name it. Never in my time of gaming with people who shit talk, have I been told to game end myself, than DBD. Over little things, winning the game, BMing back or BMing in the first place, Streaming to basically no one but I still get told to hang myself, its insane to me how much people take this game that seriously.
it happens all the time in apex and rocket league lol
People taking video games too seriously is a problem as old as time. Some people's only "win" in life is a video game, so losing at that for them is personal. Meanwhile normal, well-adjusted people just move on. DBD just happens to have a lot of people in the former camp.
COD and League were way more toxic than DBD. Death threats, screaming, yelling, racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. You must’ve gotten the good lobbies 🤣
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@reivoidwalker as someone who played league, old school cod, halo 1 and 2.... I strongly disagree. Cod had more people talking trash, but was less toxic. They would tell you to game end yourself, but then would laugh the next game if they got you again. (League not as much) in dbd I've had people that played against me months ago still mad that I logged into the game, haven't seent them in months, and they immediately tell me to game end myself again. Sure old school games had more shit talking, but dbd is far more toxic. Not the bm, not using strategy, but the actual amount of people that want you hurt irl.
So, im more of a lurker nowerdays when it comes to DBD. I've a bit over a thousand hours and stopped playing around dredges release. The reason was the extreme rise of sweattyness after SBMMR in every round. You couldn't play this game casually anymore. It was all about being "high MMR" and labeling as such. And even if not, I've noticed a strong rise in only playing the best perks, no meme build or anything anymore, and I personally think this is due to a downward spiral. With higher mmr you NEEDED to play certain perks to really do something or you were just getting stomped, so the other side had to adjust to that, so now you have to adjust to the adjustment and so on. You can't play a meme build bubba in high MMR because you would be getting stomped every round, as survivors would be running only top notch perks, as they are used to them and used to playing against those.
It just wasn't fun anymore, I miss the times with random lobbies.
Also the pool of players that were (old MMR) iri was so much bigger than the pool of high SBMMR players, so the chance of getting a chill build on the other side was so much higher too. Now you face the same pool of counters over and over again, as the player pool is just so small. That was the fun I had before.
I think you could clearly see the stuck competitiveness in players minds in the my little Oni mode. Even there some people where sweating for the 4k/Gen Rush and that was the second I realised how stuck the people already are on this comp mindset
It's really sad as this game was really my true love
I wish I could run meme builds but I don't anymore because these killers sweat so much and make this game feel comp. Like I just wanna be a casual gamer and have fun, is that too much to ask for?
100% agree with your points. It almost needs a casual mode and a ranked... It's not fun with both being one mode
Your not wrong. I've played daily for years. THOUSANDS of hours invested. It is trash now. I quit a week ago and I'm much happier. They hate the killers and have been nerfing them every update. I was chasing a guy when 3 gens popped as he was only 1/4 of the way of walking me through every pallet when I said. "Screw this" the game just isn't fun anymore. They don't understand that nerfing sloppy butcher/ bleed was the downfall. 75%of survivors bring either a way to heal themselves or teammates. So if you don't tunnel and hook them the survivors heal, if you chase the first guy until you catch him 3 generators will be done before you can tote him to a hook, meaning your only option is to camp the only person you've seen or go try to catch and hook the other 3 survivors 3 times a piece with only 2 gens left🤡. I did some thinking after multiple matches like this as a high MMR killer and decided that those guys can chase each other and keep their own game alive. Screw that, it's not even fun anymore
@@galaxshiigames honestly? i feel like it doesn't matter for killer really. as survivor though, if you make the mistake of not being selfish and guaranteeing your escape through the gates, you'll just get matched with worse and worse teammates, and it's not realistic to pretend you can carry everyone unless you are that profficient of a player at this game that you could play proffessionaly lol.
sbmmr just feeds some survivors with this need to be selfish, despite the fact that will probably leave with like 7k bloodpoints and nothing else.
@@azombieee "100% agree with your points. It almost needs a casual mode and a ranked... It's not fun with both being one mode" that would be nice but only on paper.
Look at league. normal is just as sweaty as ranked since they are esentialy the same game. add to that the fact that people then start queuing ranked even more than normal, and normal becomes a detriment to the player pool when queuing. because they feel like they are wasting their time otherwise (they might as well climb those ranks/get that mmr if they are gonna queue at all, right? that's kind of the mindset that starts setting in once you have a ranked mode. people like acomplishing things even if it's just a game).
And also, you may get even more swfs in a "casual queue" since survivors wouldn't be losing anything relevant at all by abandoning gens and even dying by the end, but just making sure to torture a baby killer, those matches can last forever (sure, 60 minute limit, but that's a huge time nontheless), and those survivors would have an f-ing blast lol (at someone else's expense) with zero care in the world, in fact it would be a blessing for them to lose and go against even more baby killers in "normal/casual" mode, and only take ranked seriously. Same for killers, why wouldn't you try and go for max suffering builds on casual as a killer since it wouldn't even matter anymore if you won or lost mmr, just make a couple of survivors as miserable as posible for gigles since getting just a 2k or less is no longer a "danger". i know it sounds awful, but it's just how these things go.
I know at first it may seem like separating mmrs in two queues like that would make normal matches more chill, but it doesn't. sad truth. it just makes it so you get more dcs in normal, why would your temmates care if it counts as a loss? "it's not ranked". since normals qoeuldn't matter in their mind, you would also get weird semi afk teams, so if you are thinking "oh, i just wanna play a normal match, not throwing but not swf either" you'll be out of luck. more dcs, more smurfs, a smaller pool so a bigger mixture of babies and p100, more bullies, etc etc etc. and just a split player pool were ranked gets the bigger chunk (so normals become even more unpredictable in regards to how many hours/experience players have)
What works far better is to have a clearly casual mode that isn't just "normal mode but with it's own less relevant mmr", a mode with things like shuffle perks, restricted items and maps etc, like aram in league, shorter matches with mechanisms in place that guarantee so, that lessens the stakes and frustration, more focused on the action from the get go, so no gen rush or 3 gen shenanigans, aka here it would be the chases and hooks as the focus, and less on the winning conditions (and aram in league has proven throughout the years to be a stable 20% of the playerbase no matter the year or meta, waranting it's own specific qol changes throughout league's history, and it's own balancing that works differently than ranked. i'm sure the same would apply to dbd).
People for the most part love shuffle mode in dbd for a reason, despite it not being perfect (but it could very easily be tweaked into a staple casual mode if you look at maybe randomizing items, add ons and characters too)
BREAKS FROM THINGS YOU LOVE AND ENJOY IS FINE AND HEALTHY. Caps are intended, more and more people need to hear this.
if you have to go on another break after just coming back from one, that says alot about the game ...
shame it's t he only one in its genre.
Take a break until the new season pass comes out and you're forced to pay to progress if you don't want to miss out on skins.
@@memelord8492thats kinda how a battle pass/season pass works gng, u pay to get elite rewards, that’s how battle passes has worked in gaming since they were introduced, u buy the pass and grind it out so u can get elite rewards
@@memelord8492 "miss out on skins"- i see this as a problem. When the priority is skins over gameplay there's something wrong with the players. Then no wonder people say the game is unbalanced. Yeah of course it will be, the vast majority is focused on skins and cosmetics rather than having a fun game.
@@SouSporting How is me saying what I said implying anything about gameplay. I never mentioned gameplay. I hate how expensive everything is. It's predatory. I love this game I've been playing since 2018. I care about gameplay to. I hate the season pass and how it forces you to pay or play if you want the rare rift skins. Dbd is filled with FOMO. Gameplay is flawed to but it's so much better today than it was in the past.
Ngl the MMR change basically killed any enjoyment I had of the game... It really felt like games went from fun and challenging to insanely insanely sweaty and griefy.
I'm so tired of survs giving up on hook, killers hard hard tunneling every match and survs refusing to team play because a chase was slightly too close to a gen.
I play solo queue on surv and killer about 50/50, it's just not worth playing alone anymore because it's just frustrating on both sides.
You've definitely touched on something that could be implemented because clearly there are people looking for different experiences of their play session. Having a casual and competitive mode might solve some of the frustration and toxicity as long as the more experienced players don't decide to swamp it for the easier wins and blood points.
The bugs and memes of dbd was why I played the game. The skill ceiling on flashlight saves was just so much fun to master and practice, and it made me play on a constant just to keep that skill and improve. In my old games, I would see survivors getting stuck on rocks, killers swinging from building to building to get on top of a pallet that you could have just taken the stun and broken, and goofy meme builds to abuse long stun spamming and burning. All of that is gone, survivors no longer get stuck or look goofy, killers can now just use a really strong power to blink through a pallet or chainsaw through it but keep going, all the goofy meme builds are now either too weak to be able to run or overshadowed by the pain of gen regression vs second chance meta and even the fun flashlight saves are so easy I just did one after having quit for a year in my first game which would have taken me three to practice and learn. There's so much pressure to "win" in dead by daylight now that it feels like we've all forgotten it's a game for fun, and running four boons, or sabo basement, or map and key was why we played it to begin with. I LOVED the keys, because it was so rewarding to survive with it, find the hatch as a group and panic leave before the exit gate was even ready. Yes that was unbalanced, but the game's win condition wasn't kills back then, it was the bp we now do not care about at all. As someone who played VHS for it's competitive side, I can enjoy a competitive scene, but dbd was never that. If they want to change it into something of the sort they still gotta make the game fun, and they seem to be too focused on the small fix for their players. It's hard to say anything a content creator is making will be seen though, I've seen it all over from dbd creators that their ideas are ignored for the corporate ladder. I miss the game, but I do wonder what makes me want to play it over say valorant, or worse, a chinese knockoff. I hope they'll hear your pleas dbd players.
It comes down to two things
1) Devs being slow and not listening
2) The introduction of mmr (the devs not listening)
Just get better
@@J0SEF Very creative answer. How long did that take you, 3 seconds? BHVR has repeatedly shown that lack of ambition, care, and creativity in 8/10 cases. Thats what it really boils down to, BHVR doesnt give a shit about its game, or its fans. Pure and simple.
@@J0SEFshut up kid
>Devs not listening
>A lot of perks being nerfed to oblivion and anti-everything systems (anti-camping, basekit BT for anti-tunneling, limited amount of gen kicks to prevent 3-gens, etc.) being added SPECIFICALLY because the devs listened too much
Right...
The devs not playing the game thus sucking at it is a problem too, ever watched them play on stream?
This game sadly is balanced by the biggest whiners and whatever the devs are smoking at any given time.
Also the My Little Oni fun? Almost as bad as going against legions on the hide and seek event.
Also dbd sadly is kept alive by new players, most 2k+ hours players are long gone or will come back for a few days and quit again since deep down nothing changed for the better.
I lost all respect for BHVR as humans when they dropped HybridPanda from the Fog Whisperer program when he took a break after his father passed away. How cold hearted can you be?
I didn’t know about that. Wow. That’s pretty low.
@@AD88884 Panda is my all time favorite streamer. When he mentioned it so nonchalantly as to avoid hurting BHVRs feelings it made me feel so aggravated. He just mentioned in passing after he came back from his break but you can tell he felt a way about it. I expected better from BHVR
I can almost guarantee there's more context to this lol
Hybrid is a tool tbh.
@@fg-l3565 the entire context of the situation is this: Panda’s father died. Panda stopped streaming for a few months because of it. When he came back to streaming he found out he was removed from the Fog Whisperers program by Behaviour without any notice at all. No explanation, no condolences for the loss of his father, just yeeted him from the program. That’s the entire story.
I don't completely agree on some of the skill expressions points tbh. Regardless of skill required to do a bug, if it results in something that drastically effects how a strong a killer is (Especially if said bug is platform exclusive), it shouldn't be in the game. Whether they remove it with or without compensation, I do not think they should be in the game period. As a primarily solo Q survivor nowadays, it was just plainly not fun to play a loop well/optimally against a Killer, only for them to hug tech or 180 flick to completely shutdown counterplay in that situation. But I am in agreement with the idea of Lightburn interactions. They were fun and a unique way to counter some Killers. I would like them back (though probably nerf Wraith's Lightburn a bit. It was pretty annoying).
I just started playing again after a big break. I spent a while match trying to light burn a wraith. And I was confused about where all my traps were going as hag. I may be a casual player. But even I loved those little things. I miss being able to pounce on survivors off of the high ground. This also affects casual players as well. I am still playing dbd. But it is a bit disappointing seeing all those changes.
Honestly as a survivor if I start to lose 3 times in a row I start to feel so miserable I just hop on another game. It’s so bad
Only 3 times? xD
@@katniss5052 ik tf I played 15 games yesterday and escaped once :') and that's just normal...for me. I'm not great but a lot of the time we lose cause the teammates suck, killer tunnels/camps, or has 4 slowdown. Or both... xD
3 Matches, huh? As Killer, all it takes is one truly shitty match for me to throw in the towel for a few days, weeks, or months. There is a VERY small window for me where this game is fun; when I'm in the mood for it, I love it, but all it takes is one bad match for all my excitement to leave.
I only played one day of My Little Oni because, even though I was giant, the mode was limited time, and honestly very fun for what it was, I got put in a match filled with god-loopers who got the 4 man out. Made me feel so garbage at the game I stopped playing until tonight. Sometimes, it's just "fuck this game", and there only thing that'll pull me out of that mindset is time..
I dont mind losing at all if it was a decent time. Most of my frustration comes from ppl taking themselves out on first hook or when ppl play like they're top pro and before you know it there's already 2 hooked.
@@atlasgraham154 Literal manchild
I quit because of the community.
lmfao, you could have simply not read endgame chat and went next, or turned off messages if you are on console.
@@JakeobEI guess watching all the toxic videos traumatized them lol
bozo snowflake
@@Darcys_Hub If an angry homeless person were to yell at you, would you entertain it?
@@Darcys_Hub Right? 'I quit because of the community'
The Community: "Fucking pussy, you could just block comments! If they were homeless you wouldn't care, lololol"
I don't know if they realize they're doing it or are generally just ignorant.
I just think that you can't keep playing the same game for YEARS without getting some sort of burnout, as once said by the Mathieu Coute "play something else".
Honestly? This, unironically. Some people feel obligated to religiously play the same game over and over, then blame their inevitable burnout on anything else, like... It's okay to take breaks. If a game begins feeling like a chore, maybe play something else. Or, if it's gaming itself feeling like a chore... Going out and touching grass/snow (depends on season and location) is always an option.
yep I almost exclusively play memey Adiris builds to have fun with survivors, if I wanna go hard I'll double hook everyone then go do some gens and pallet stuns flashy saves etc, honestly it's chill af and end game chats are always pleasant. Too many people forget the pixels exist to bring joy
I’m a new casual player and a funny thing that happened was me and my friend (who also started playing) were going against a wraith. My friend was training with the flashlight and asked if it was possible to stun the killer while invisible, I said dunno and told him to try it, I had no idea that this WAS a feature that got removed, this really sucks.
I’ll still play the game, but hope some of this changes are removed.
Step #1) Behaviour needs to play their own game.
Really is a prime example of why statistics on its own means absolutely nothing, data analysis involves the whole picture (saying this as a statistician.) It drives me fucking bonkers when experiential products (like video games) are updated and maintained purely from the data. For example, take the pick rate for killers; a 10% pick rate for a killer doesn't mean a damn thing except that 10% of players pick that killer specifically. But they use that to abstract out that "the killer must not be fun" or "the killer must not be balanced." Without additional metrics like PLAYER EXPERIENCE that 10% statistic literally means nothing except what it specifically states. Behaviour is fucking up majorly by trying to fix their game by mass data alone, they NEED to listen to the players and maintain an open forum. Especially today, there's AI to screen and filter the bullshit so its not like they can say "Our community is toxic and just is mean." They're being lazy and operating off of conclusions from abstracted data that is unrepresentative of the true game experience.
Sorry for that rant, but nothing makes a statistics guy mad like a company ignoring everything but random statistics that they think is meaningful.
As someone whos played since beta off and on, i still love playing this game. I play my heart out when a good chapter comes out and when i get bored i usually quit for a few chapters so when i come back the game feels more fresh.
Putting yourself in the "right place, right time" is a skill and you can make a build around it. It probably won't be as good as another build, but there are still ways to be able to support your team by going for saves without outright neglecting gens. Learning the skills required to position yourself at the right place at the right time is a huge portion of survivor gameplay IMO. That said, it's still nice to be able to play with more intricate mechanics. Those mechanics that were removed were largely taken away from the game because they genuinely were unfun (obviously excluding things like sky-billy). What they should be doing (and what they are to some extent by adding in ways to remove hag's traps that aren't directly tied to one specific item) are adding new ways to support those players who loved to interact with obscure techniques.
Right place right time, til the killer just slugs because they know youre trying to save your teammate. Good luck if youre injured because they will just pinpoint your exact location.
By removing features of the game, survivor just boils down to delaying the first hook state and gen rushing while toure at advantage. Is your random not doing gens while you're in chase.. well then ggs maybe, just maybe youll have a chance of one out against any competent killer.
I escape a decent majority of my matches but i do try for saves/trades and i see my escape as a loss for the team if it's only me or another person. Bonus points if you run the killer every time for over 45 sec just for your teammates to go insta down. Theres literally nothing you can do, and if you lose too much the game just gives you baby killers. Like no joke its not fun to stomp shitty killers and then get sweated on when you have shitty teammates. Like maybe some people enjoy the ego boost but nah i just want good games like i dont mind losing if it felt good
It may be rose tinted glasses or nostalgia, but to me personally the game isn't what it used to be full stop. The more they "balance" the game the less fun it gets. Having room for things to be out of the scape of fairness on both sides promotes fun games as now you're getting variety in perks and peoples playstyles. Before you could run niche perks and pair them with others and get away with it until super high level. Now? Adrenaline,Windows,BT or DS, everyone runs at least one of these because without them you're a dead man walking. The games lost it's allure for a lot of people and I see why.
but what I don't understand is why they get rid of "high skill tech" things when they implemented the new MMR, if the MMR worked as planned why would they need to be concerned for new players, right?
@@jakonfire SBMM has never worked. It still prioritizes fast games over balanced games. And SWF's skew the MMR straight out the window, because there could be four players who all have completely different MMR
@@LoganHunter82 sorry but, where did I bring up SBMM? We’re talking about MMR, completely different subject. Everybody knows SBMM never works in any game, that’s why it kills multiplayer games. MMR has no reason to exist in a game like DBD. Especially when there’s no ranked system in play, it’s only for bonus BP’s.
@@jakonfire Oh, I agree with you. This game shouldn't have MMR at all (or SBMM). I guess I worded myself poorly
@@LoganHunter82 oh my mistake! I thought you were disagreeing with me :')
in all fairness, a baby killer vs 4 high skilled survivors = nothing can be learned. Just getting rolled doesnt make anyone learn. MMR should matter but only to the new players, that way they can actually become better. Like growing better in a pond and then getting thrown into the ocean instead of just getting thrown into the ocean.
I still remember my only time versing you. I was a Mikaela (without the hat) and half way through, I gave up and wanted death, started chasing you around and it turned into a game where you wouldn't hit me at all, so I'd start healing someone right after you downed them and stuff, bodyblock hooks. It was one of the funniest matches I've played in a long time. Also I had a mini heart attack when I saw it was you.
Why? Streamers are just random people who video themselves playing a game. Nothing to be in awe about at all.
I replayed Ocarina of Time no less than 30 times as a child. Spent many hours doing literally everything the game had to offer. I remember the game feeling like a great accomplishment everytime I saved Zelda in the final boss fight. So many times frustration and defeat being a hurdle to overcome through determination and the joys of triumph.
I've played DBD for 3,500 hours and felt that same level of accomplishment less overall, but also less and less as time goes on. Winning often doesn't feel good and losing often comes at the hands of sore winners that make you feel bad for losing. It's a blast until a point. Where you're hundreds or even thousands of hours past the point of realization that the biggest change in the 6 minute trial gameplay loop happens only when people are being terrible to each other by prolonging the worst aspects of developer-allowed gameplay decisions. All done mostly by players that'll quit playing 1,000 hours earlier than you have.
i call cap on time. i watch AGDQ and the best in the world take at least an hour.
@@ThizzXorXdie huh?
tbf it wasn't the hug tech that was specifically targeted with the blight change. it was the "sliding off of objects during a dash for no reason" that was fixed.
Exactly, BHVR is finally fixing a bug/exploit with one one of their top tier killers and people are acting like it's the end of the world. 😅
@@BrightWulph I wouldn't even call it an exploit ya know? Def a tech. The problem is the tech was part of a massive bug that once fixed, removed the tech. I'm just happy that I won't run into a wall and NOT bounce off of it and slide on it like's grease covered lmao
@@OhPorty Yeah, I get it, it's like an incredibly niche situation that's technically a bug and its being fixed.
I just find it funny, because people are complaining that "bugs don't get fixed in this game", so here's BHVR trying to fix a bug and everyone is yelling "No, not that one!" because it technically gives an advantage to lesser skilled Blights, because they can just *slide* off an object instead of bouncing.
@@OhPorty No, it's definitely an exploit by definition. It isn't intended. It's exploiting the way Blight's collision works. It wasn't a "tech" (everything is a "tech" in DBD).
We are trying to please players who have put 1000+ hours in our game. Thats why we are removing all fun features that were the reason for those people to play in the first place
I started playing during the 8th anniversary. It was so much fun. No one cared about winning. Everyone just wanted to have fun, earn BP, and do gens/hooks without 4-hook or 4-escape. As soon as the event ended, toxicity immediately appeared, and the fun started to go away.
"It's good that it was changed. But still, I miss it." Honestly, it's the consistently-bizarre mentality of the DBD community that makes me not play it anymore.
I can relate to it so much. Especially the variety part, playing with friends before MMR was an actual 180 from what it is now. Before you would go against the same killer at best 2 times in a row and it happend when matchmaking put the same person in the lobby back. Some games being fun and some bad. Overall experience? Insanely good cause laughs from one game can supress 3 next bad ones and what is it now? Get into a 4man group so drunk monkey playing darts matchmaking can decide you are a comp team and can go against comp wannabe Andy blight or nurse with 4 slowdown perks camping 3gen in the first 300miliseconds he loads into the game. The only thing you can see as variety with current DBD is rotation of 7 meta addons for blights and 3 different skins they use...
Getting rid of wesker's techs is wild it takes months or more to master them and they are very very rarely even useful they are just fun and the only reason I even play the game just to have something I can grind for something unique that just isnt in any other games. Such as moonwalking to me its so unique to this game can't wait for them to remove that again because newer players can't do it off the rip since they wanna give everything training wheels.
Yeah same the whole reason I played was to learn how to moonwalk and 360 and also do some cool mindgames or tricks on killer
I love this game and try to have a "go with the flow" approach. I have a little over 8k hours and I really hope I never reach this point. I need small breaks sometimes but I hope I never reach a point that I want to quit.
I do the same, I rlly enjoy this game and have tons of fun on it, especially playing with a buddy of mine, I feel like a lot of ppl who “hate” the game or super tired of it etc take this shit way to serious and try to ride the meta or do this and that, I’m just like if u try to lighten up and just have fun it won’t be as “stressful” as they say it is
Thank you for continuing to make this content. It means so much to me to see dbd content creators.
As a player that has been playing for 4 years. But also has trouble in some social situations and struggles with mental health issues.
It’s comforting to watch or even just listen to dbd content. There is something about it that makes me feel safe and I just love it.
I’ve been very sick physically recently and I haven’t been able to play dbd. But I find my comfort in solely watching dbd content creators in times like this.
It feels like home. And I am so thankful that there are still creators willing to stick out the challenges of dbd at the moment and ongoing.
THANK YOU x100
MMR made the game boring. Every game is sweaty, using the same perks, same playstyles, etc. It was more fun when you could try random builds and get paired against players of varying skills. Every game was a toss up on how it would play out.
Judging from all of these comments, I think people take this game too seriously. I play both killer and survivor have over 3k hours and I don't play to win I play to have a fun chase and to make the match entertaining. I never feel stressed out when I play DBD. Playing on the survivor side actually helps me relax. While playing killer can be a bit tougher, I never feel "stressed" because I'm simply playing for fun.
Edit: Plus, I'm on Playstation, so end game chat is non-existent.
I can't help but wonder if some of these people are so burnt out, they can't have any fun unless they're winning, but try to pin the blame on the MMR or anything else.
I play the opposite. When I play killer, I play for fun chases and interactions with survivors. A lot of times I get my hooks and let everyone go, mainly to pay it forward after getting hard tunneled out of half my matches as survivor. But I got more stressed about survivor play because of depipping. Now that it’s going away, I won’t be stressed about that either. Won’t even really care about tunneling or proxy camping, because I won’t depip from it.
The problem with bhvr is that they don't listen to their consumers, their community, because they think they always know what's best for the game, which is clearly not the case. That's why the game has become less fun every day.
SBMM is a double edged sword. You play against equal players, but as you climb the ratings, it naturally pushes players to use the meta to excel (perks, playstyles, etc.), which means people optimize to find the best meta, which means you have to use that meta to survive, and so on.
Back when Mixer was a thing i was the top streamer on that game on that platform. I was a Rank 1 killer. I P3'd every killer. But i got burnt out after 2 years. I figured the entire game out. It got boring and after a while it got stressful. Ive been gone 4 years now and I MIGHT have fun going back now considering id have to relearn it. But i doubt id be back like that. Don't have the patience to chase people all damn day.
I'm glad most of these things were removed -- especially stuff like the Chucky and Blight tech. Giving a competitive advantage to the top 1% of the top 1% who practiced for hours doing what was essentially a bug is not an interesting game to compete in. The core problem is that there are not enough Things To Do, so I can understand her sentiment -- removing Things To Do is lame. I don't want game-breaking quirks, though. So lets get more NEW Things To Do, intentional quirks, that don't break the game. 3rd-person killer with Chucky was cool, seances in the basement was cool... MORE MORE MORE.
I also wanna add. My girlfriend started playing dbd with me as she wanted to spend more time with me. She has never played games. Only some nintendo games like mario kart or animal crossing. She started around this time the previous year. And she cannot play the game for more than 3 games because she’ll get tunneled out, or just killed very quickly. So them making changes for new players doesn’t even work.
When i started playing the game back in 2019, i was an absolute noob. A streamer friend of mine had a lot of knowledge about the game and taught me and a couple of other friends the basics. I can’t say i played it a lot, but i really do understand why people miss the old game. It was way more beginner friendly. It was fun learning about little techniques and doing all that.
Ive been playing almost everyday since 2021 now, mostly solo queue until april 2022. In that time i tried to get all achievements, most adept, tried to learn the most difficult skills and techs. Because after learning most perks from doing adepts and add-on too. I needed something different to keep me going. I still dont dare to 360 but for example i got better at dh, i got better at flashlight saving, i got better at burning wraith and crows, even tried it multiple time with nurse with some success. They all removed that now and its sad.
I still play dayly tho, i still love the game, but i do agree that the games now are either a full win or an immediat (or atleast fast) lose. Its not fun for experienced players, but also not for beginners in the long run.
Oh ye i also wanted to add that there are a lot of QoL changes they shouldve added a long time ago, we now have searchbars and thats great. But a volume slider for the bloodweb? A randomizer for random perks on survivors ánd for killers? A randomizer for picking killers where u dont know which one you’ll get. More common perks for beginners? Its not that hard to program those things in and i know from experience cause i am a developer.
Also, from a developer standpoint I just really dont get why they arent involved with the community more and take advice from veterans that want the best for the games? If i have to make a program for a customer, we will add most of what they want if its an achievable and a possible goal. Ofcourse customers dont always have the knowledge what is good or bad for their product, but thats why we developers give them expert advice too!! I dont get why behaviour doesnt listen to their experts… (aka the veterans, not even the developers!)
I started to play DBD because it was a nice change from playing competitive games. I was a competitive gamer my whole life and I wanted something to fill the void of competitive but not have to sweat and be stressed. I originally didn't like the game but it really grew on me because it was so different and chaotic, you really never knew what to expect in a match. I learned some techs that were super fun and DBD became the perfect non-sweaty "competitive" game for me. But lately the game has felt like it's leaning towards being a full competitive game where everybody runs the same perks, MMR making every game too much work to relax in, and I only face maybe 30% of the killer pool? I stopped playing killer mostly because it kept putting me against comp players and 5k+ players when I only have ~700 hours total. I can't play with my friends now because they aren't as into it and they just get tunneled instantly and don't want to play.
It just feels like a competitive game now and I really just want to have fun. I don't care if I win or lose as long as the match was fun and interesting but every match just feels similar now.
Skull merchant should just be removed IMO. Nobody likes facing her and honestly her perks are all kind of meh.
It's the fact when they go to nerf they beat it over the head with a metal bat, instead of just minor adjustments. For example, air billy, if billy doesn't have flooring, slight drag. Prevents people from shooting from the sky across entire map, but enables him to still make trick shots.
i also disagree with the the 180 flicks, skybilly, and hug tech all that shit was garbage and it allowed the players who mainned these killers to rely on unintended mechanics instead of just using their ability.
pretty much every game i was called trash and tbagged spammed i just don't wanna deal with it so its one the good reasons i quit that and I don't agree with some changes, always same mode and devs focusing on skins way more than anything. i don't agree with the point of cancel culture this and that, as the word is overused and people don't like to look at other core reasons when saying it and I can't help cringe when hearing someone say it tbh. I do thing devs should have done more with the toxic chats when reporting them. i know others who stopped as well because of it id rather play a game like ff 14 where its a lot nicer. i played anonymous mode because when i didn't i had people say a lot of crap on my profile even if i played fair so its not because people just do it to be toxic and I'm not making my whole account private just to counter something from one game... also she wants the wraith flashlight thing to come back she clearly played survivor most the time cuz that's a thing i hard disagree with her on. as for the changes they did some that were fine i think its wild to say all have done bad or only focus on the bad side of things devs have done this whole time and not acknowledge the good hence why I'm not a big fan of her video.
the issue with the variability of games is new players who want to play will stay if they lose one or two, but if a new player is stomped and is trying the game they aren’t returning. They need new game modes, not the removal of mmr.
If they added casual/ranked this would have solved the problem
@@Insanity-vv9nn Casual modes would fix so many issues. A hide and seek mode, a casual mode, a competitive mode, and if they want to be random make a random mode which gives you a random kill/character with a random set of perks, addons, and items
@@Insanity-vv9nn Identity V, AKA DBD's younger sibling, has that casual/ranked split. Trust me, matchmaking quality in there is NOT any better. Casual matches are a pendulum of "stomp/get stomped" that either swings every match or takes a dozen matches of getting stomped to get one game where you're the one stomping (and that's before the game has mercy on you and just tossed you into a bot match instead if you had a particularly bad loss streak), and ranked... Well, it's hardly an indicator of how skilled the survivors/killer you're going against will be, because smurfing is very much a thing.
So no, a casual/ranked split would NOT fix the matchmaking in DBD. It's silly to assume it'll be that easy, and people will find something to whine about anyway.
@@DarkyLonewolf Agree, all the people going "WE NEED A CASUAL QUEUE!" are forgetting people will play like it's ranked on every single queue. It has happened to every single game with separate qeues, people use casual as "practice for ranked" and go as hard as they do in ranked (Preds in casual lobies are such a problem in apex that the communitiy made an unoffical pact to kill any pred in a casual lobby as soon as they drop and then resume normal play, for example). It will happen to DBD too, hell, it's already happening. Hop on the forum and see the countless posts about killers slugging in my little oni just so they can get that sweet sweet 4k. On a casual for fun mode that has basically no rewards.
Who else quit besides slushie and Downey? Dowsey quit like a year ago already
Tithi,Jaee,Monto,Noob3 Ascension,Anaxandra Just to name a few.
@@ishwenbipat damn all this year??? That's wild
@@kveras617 Nah more like over the years. anaxandra and ascension for example left ages ago.
PototoLegion, Chemzy (he came back recently briefly then left again), Noob3, etc. Seraphimeyes took a long break not sure if they are coming back.
As a newbie, it's nice to finally be able to play without being completely destroyed
i think a free chapter would be so beneficial to the game atm, a new killer and survivor a map 6 perks all for free it gives everyone something to look forward to
Burning the Wraith wasn't something that took skill. It was so stupidly easy to do and completely shut his power down. Chucky is still extremely oppressive without the flicks cuz he doesn't have a collision mechanic, he can't "bump" into walls. Burning the Nurse was extremely rare, I hate when people bring this up like it happened every game Nurse was involved in.
I find it funny how she says she prefers this game broken, yet she has a list of changes? HUH. Make up your mind. How are you gonna complain about anything after saying, this game was at its most fun broken. She lost me there, that contradicts everything she said.
11:32 I dunno wtf he's saying here, but if you actually think the SBMM and MMR actually does anything, you kind of lose credibility with everything you said here. The reality is, these two things do NOTHING. The game is wildly inconsistent when it comes to matchmaking. I don't go a day on a forum where I don't see a post by a new player saying how punishing it is for them. It's a legit problem STILL.
15:58 no it shouldn't. If they focused on sweatlords in regards to balance, this game would have died years ago. If you do not focus around a new player aspect, you kill any growth this game could have and we know how all you braindead content creators love to look at steam charts.
17:11 this is factually wrong. There are plenty of games that don't have a big Twitch presence that have been successful long passed their primes. This is that DBD entitlement issue we keep seeing, the devs don't owe you shit for playing the game. "I play your game so I deserve all the stuff", no the fuck you don't.
She's playing Valorant now, RNG Counterstrike, wait until she sees how games go there. She brings up one sided games being so prevalent here, wait until you play that game. It has one of the worst matchmaking systems in a competitive shooter designed to keep you playing. You ranked up twice? Welp, time to give you harder games to even that out. That's how Valorant works.
TL;DR it's not that deep and there is plenty of factually inaccurate information in this video. 8 days later, she's back on the game.
Criminally based
What's rng about counterstrike?
Well.. we know why Dowsey quit. RIP those terrible decisions.
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Let me say this then, I played DBD ever since the release of Stranger Things, it what got me to love DBD, then years later buffs, nerfs and reworks happened but if you asked me, I would still play DBD even with all of these ridiculous buffs, nerfs and reworks, all im saying is that I will never quit DBD because it's MY best asymmetrical horror multiplayer game and nothing else.
What wouldve also wanted to hear is the bad bad balancing of some maps. Some maps are SUPER unfair for certain killers and are basically IMPOSSIBLE to enjoy in high mmr. You can win as Deathslinger on Garden of Joy. Impossible. Also unfair maps for survivors too.
But... big thing... the shitty hitboxes on objects "the invis walls".
Crazy shi
Ah Dowsey quitting DBD again, is a new DBD-Killer coming?
I love how they keep using dowsey and he quit like 3 years ago lol
@BrienDoesIt Not quite 3. Unless he keeps quitting and coming back. I know he quit over a year ago.
@Doncroft1 yeah, about a year ago. Has not looked back either.
"If everyone is cancelled, then no one is"
If you know all about dbd, and u love learning, go comp maybe? no?
Besides burning nurse, it's not skill expression at all. Delusionnal perma burning wraith = skill (no way she said after it was the funniest thing for her 😭) or hag's traps for that matter.
Dodging flashlight's lobbies??? LMAO they can last second swap what do you mean??? Are you supposed to dodge lobby because the match is unfair?? Dont u contradict yourself Slushiettv?
I agree on skybilly, breaking game but still, invisible walls are weird too, I agree.
It feels who is the best killer macro & micro and who is the most coordinated team. Not who has the biggest %minus or %bonus on gen progression.
" I rather play very unbalanced fun dbd". Ok, now imagine you are getting every match old nurse back to back tunneling you every game XDDDDDDDD yes yes so fun haha
yeah I stopped watching after the flashlight part cus I can't take that seriously... like what? most people did know those killer specific counterplays, maybe less known on nurse and artist but still. also wraith is nowhere near strong enough to justify the burning mechanic even being a thing, and after doing it so many times its really not that fun whether the wraith is properly dodging/taking cover or you succeed
took genuine aim to burn a wraith thats not standing still + its literally throwing wasting flashlight trying to do so, but would sucks for a killer to have some sort of counterplay thats not 24/7 being near a loop
Dang I actually didn't think I'd say this but I do miss flashlight locker saves. I don't know if I EVER got one as a survivor, maybe I did, or maybe I got saved, but as a killer the counter-play was quite simple: if you see someone pop in a locker, just start walking around, you'll inevitably find someone quickly and then get another free hit or down. It's those kinds of silly things that make the game really fun, and skill expression, and all of that. I don't know, maybe it is for better because I DEFINITELY got annoyed by it once or twice, but it DOES make it for some hilarious videos.
What I also don't like is the constant little tweaks and updates though. I've been playing A TON of DBD recently, but even being one of the more core demographic users it can be quite frustrating having a little thing changed or there or little map change here or there. I'd get used to a map being a certain way (ie. the new Decimated Borgo map) and then boom they change it and then I'd struggle. Or for the locker flashlight save if you didn't read the patch notes to know it was changed, you might waste time attempting it only to realize it's not working suddenly. Trickster had some updates and I didn't know until I got destroyed by him and then I had to spend my next few games against Trickster adjusting, etc.
It is difficult to keep up with things in this game, so chilling back down to a casual player definitely makes sense. Also, this game is SUPER addictive to the point that it can be unhealthy... Haha it can be great sometimes but I've definitely played an absurd amount in the past half year or so.
As someone who really enjoys the game and understands majority of the gripes. I have never understood why they haven’t created a ton of permanent alternate game modes. 8 years and we don’t even have a ranked mode separate with a casual mode. 8 years and we are still cranking away at gens. How we haven’t gotten any grand new type of alternate game experience is beyond me. They have the money and time to clearly do it. Especially when they are splitting off to create 3 new DBD universe games, movie, and more😂. That’s my biggest gripe. These limited modes we get are fun, but when we have them for such a short period, it makes it feel like a waste of time. Why put the work and effort towards a chaotic gamemode to not keep it as a permanent alternate mode. We can a sub menu. I’m not saying turn this shit into Fortnite, but the game needs something to completely refresh the experience that isn’t just buffing or nerfing a character.
I think the main flaw I'm finding with her reasoning here is that she's conflating 'fun skill expression' with 'good for the game'. Something requiring a baseline amount of learning does not automatically make it good for the game even if it's fun to learn and things that do not check both boxes at the same time absolutely should be removed, it's quite selfish to want the game to be broken just to be able to infinitely flashlight save from locker grabs for example which I assume most if not all killers would really not enjoy being on the receiving end of outside of the initial novelty. If something broken like that becomes meta then people are almost forced to do it to compete as the game will likely start to be balanced around that level of power, so removing things that aren't aren't good for the game even if they're fun to execute is a positive overall. Edit: Forgot to comment on her wanting a 'fun unbalanced dbd', that simply does not exist. It's either parasitic fun where you're abusing a broken mechanic and destroying the experience for the other side or just memories of you learning new things which is no longer possible due to time passing, people grow older and the same things that were once fun are now not due to things to learn dwindling naturally. It's not a problem, it's just life.
I think one of the big problems is that DBD originally was a fun party game, then people like Tru3Ta1ent complained enough for the devs to make changes and try to cater a bit more to the "competitive" players who wanted it to be a sweatfest. But instead of pleasing them, they ended up landing somewhere in the middle and pleasing nobody.
DBD was so much more fun under the Rank-based system. Sure, you might have been stomped sometimes, but I found that under Ranks, I had something to strive for (I remember working to get to red rank, and there wasn't any BP bonus!). As a Solo Q survivor, I found most people who achieved red ranks were competent. Also, these days, I barely play because it feels like escape is impossible for Solo. With all the proxy camping, tunneling- no fun perks- DBD made survivor perks DISABLE during the end game. And this eliminated the exhilaration of getting the Decisive Strike escape. I remember I ran Deliverance and DS. Two perks that have only a one time use. IF you even use them. And I actually escape from a facecamping Trapper. They're just sucking the fun out of the game.
The only I ever played where being unbalanced=more fun lol
I always hit Iri rank 1 back before sbmm and my 2 buddies would stay in purple and green just so the games were a little more casual and it worked out well, if we were stomping killers we knew they had to rank up a color, if the games got to sweaty we knew to try to derank. Now it's just all sweat all the time...
Everytime people argue for skill expression, it just ends up hurting lower skill/new players. I would definitely prefer keeping sbmm. What i also would like is a mode where you dont just lose on death when playing survivor or something to help against being gen rushed into oblivion. Wish there was some mode that felt good to play as both sides without just getting stomped and its over.
They also need to add accessibility options... all the dark maps are too hard to see anything on. Everyone complains that trapper sucks, but i hardly ever escape against him. Its easy if you live and breathe dbd, but i only play every now and then.
I believe the game is not in a great state because of cheaters, lack of accessibility, op perks (ultimate weapon needs to go), and nothing to bridge the gap between swfs and solo que. It also doesnt feel great going up against swfs as killer simply because they try "fun builds" that just force you into an annoying playstyle (often times either slugging or tunneling just to put up any amount of a fight).
BHVR is only focusing on making the game fair and what they should nerf rather than making the game fun and what they should buff/change.
Hug tech isnt even removed. That would need the devs to rework every collision modell on every map to have proper collision and thats probably never gonna happen. On cars and shack it still works.
Hug techs and scoot slides are not the same thing. They did in fact remove hug tech in ptb but you can still scoot slide on some things. Unless they make actual "perfect" collisions which probably would be janky and make you bump when it doesn't make sense you can't remove scoot slides.
The games dying and they're desperate, taking action in the wrong ways and trying to please as many people as possible in the worst way possible instead of trying to retain what miniscule player base they have left. On the flip side, if you leave the game "fun" for that playerbase, it gate keeps newer players from finding the fun in the game without spending a thousand hours in the game to find that fun. Whatever BHVR does, they are doomed to fail and DBD will just die eventually.
The game stopped growing years ago, but it's not dying. Literally every single verifiable metric would claim otherwise
DBD is one of those funny games that I think everyone should take time away from it. I occasionally take two or three weeks off, then I come back and have fun again. I do think the game can get toxic and stressful, along with the same game play. But, with Lights Out and My Little Oni, I have hopes.
I really missed Lightburn cause it was a really neat feature and another good reason to bring a flashlight to the match
These are all valid opinions, but they don't listen voices expressing complaints, they look at statistics. And as I am writing this comment @slushiettv is already back to playing DBD and streaming right now. Streamers continue to be free marketing and bringing in new players through viewership, thus replacing the burnt the population with fresh players. They will continue to play the game despite the feelings of being burnt out because its their job and it provides money, and money rules above all us. Only the top 1% of streamers can escape playing DBD and continue to bring in a income, everyone else loses 70-90% of their viewership and is forced to think of a RL career which will almost often result in a job that leaves them feeling worse than playing the same old boring video game everyday.
honestly the toxicity and the stress reminds me of League of Legends and why I quit that game basically, so much toxicity, so much stress and it just makes the game so unfun.
eh, i think the issue is more along the lines of hackers ruining the game at higher level of play, like all other competitive games out there nowadays
LoL is good when you auto-mute yourself
i think DbD is more stressful than league tbh
League of legends reports in game lead somewhere at least.
@Irondragon194 If you compare let's say killer role with jg on lol is not even close, specially if u playing solo it slowly drain ur mental health, also I feel even if devs/community is still rlly bad on dbd , at least exists, I can't say same of lol
22:32 No that is not okay "they got yelled at and now they yell at u and thats okay" thats an eye for an eye basically and an eye for an eye leaves the world blind. Now the next Player can say "well i got yelled at by that kate so i yell at the dwight" and so on and so forth. If u gotta let something out then do sport or punch something (that dosnt break from it and that u own) but dont treat other people like shit just cause u were treated like shit or cause u had a bad day. AND PLAYERS IN A VIDEO GAME ARE STILL PEOPLE, something thats sadly often forgotten.
First point that she made was "skill expression" on survivor was taken away.
What exactly is skillful in following the killer around with a flashlight and making their power in chases useless, virtually turning them in M1 killers. Lets be real the only time people do that is in a SWF where they try to bully the killer. That is not "skillful" at all. Its incredibly obnoxious as well from the killers side. And please don't tell me "just chase the person with a flashlight" when multiple people have it. You will start chasing the healthy survivor and let the injured one get away and heal and then they can start chasing you and you're back to square 1? Lets be realistic here.
But she doesn't really consider that.
It was a "fun little interaction". How is making a killers power useless in a chase exactly "little" or "fun" for anyone but survivors abusing it? Cause I sure haven't seen anyone on killer enjoy that.
"hag has more countability now". Wrong. Because you can't stop midchase and disarm her traps anymore from a safe distance, which was the main issue. With flashlights you could.
She did mention that they made the flashlights easier now but honestly it changed nothing at high level. Only thing it did is make anyone be able to get them.
Her next point is they removed locker saves and it was another "fun little thing" you could do. Once again It was not "little" it was exploitable, quite easily as well. Its disingenuous.
Not many people knowing about it or the timing being "hard" are stupid arguments. So just because few people know about an exploit then it shouldn't be removed? or because from your perspective it is "difficult" ? That's objectively wrong.
"But it was uncounterable, I get it BUT STILL! it was fun" - Yeah I'm sure it was fun as a survivor main to abuse an exploit the killer had no counter to. But again we don't care about the killers experience. So as long as its something fun for the survivor to do it doesn't matter if its uncounterable as the killer, as you even acknowledged ?
Exploits are ok, if they are fun...? You cant possibly be serious.
The killer "techs" is subjective to everyone if they are fine, too strong, should or should not be in the game so I will not comment on that.
The first good point she made what the invisible walls being added everywhere that nobody asked for and that the fun is being sucked out of the game.
Second good point she made was that the game was better before SBMM. That's true. And there are many reasons for the game being better back then.
Want to admit it or not but STRONG kill perks allowed the killer to not sweat his ass off to get a 2K AND most people were happy with even 4-8 hooks and no kills as long as they got their BBQ stacks. BBQ BP stacks being removed is THE worst decision BHVR ever made. I know so many people that had their objective to get hooks instead of kills.
Take that away and people not only now have the main objective be kills only BUT it also means 4 slowdown perks instead of 3 slowdowns + BBQ which realistically nobody on the survivor side considered OP or complained about. Only rank 20s ever complained about it.
The aura reading made it so killers stopped camping because they got a new target in sight and kept the match fluid. Now everyone camps and tunnels MORE than ever.
Adding punishments to killers that camp and tunnel doesn't help. People will still do it. Negative reinforcement never works. You will just annoy the community. And honestly it encouraged camping and tunneling by adding the anti-camping mechanic. It NEVER helps if the killer has half a brain cell.
"knight is unfun to play as and against" - That's subjective. I have fun playing him, argument invalid.
Everything else that needed "nerfed" she is right.
However I don't like that she mentioned so many killer powers and perks being a problem but never actually went into the survivor details even if she said "don't worry I'm not one sided".
Sure looked like it for 80% of the video.
are you okay big dawg?, seem pressed ngl
Keep in my mind, this is just HER reason for wanting to take a break the game. She's not telling you why these are reasons you should quit the game. So having to say someone not liking Knight being a subjective and invalid argument is unnecessary because this is just her reasoning as to why she's taking a break. Cool if you like Knight, but I'm sure there's plenty of killers you don't like as well for your own subjective reasoning. It's fine if you disagree with her on some things, but you shouldn't try to invalidate her whole video just because she had her own subjective reasons as to why she liked the game.
@@matp9388 I am quite good. Simply analyzing and saying my opinion. Are you okay?
@@DeadByFleshLight alr good 🤗, tbh i didn't know this game was still relevant and i didn't watch the vid *shrug* speak your truth king 😭✊
@@kangshen1125 I understand that but I will still call her out on bias or when she is wrong when she makes certain claims.
"Its my opinion" is not a impenetrable shield that protects you from critique when you say something stupid, sorry that's not how the world works.
18:10 It's like they stream for DBD and not their own profit. 🙃
Ofc that developers don't know what to do anymore bcs we ask for balance, we get it, it's not good. We ask for SBMM, we get it, not good, we ask for bugs and exploits to be removed, then it's not fun for us anymore. DBD is not the problem, but thousands of consecutive hours of playing it. All we need is to take a long break and we will enjoy it when we return.
I have 4k hours since 2019. and I've had few breaks since then, the last one was the whole 2023. It is simply impossible to play continuously and not get tired of it.
DBD is great game, in best shape ever, other than toxicity I don't see anything worth complaining about.
That comment, and follow up rant by Coconut, was really weird to me. BHVR acknowledges content creators CONSTANTLY. I genuinely don't know how much more they could do without throwing a parade for every timmy with 1 viewer on twitch. They do the fog whisperer program, which yes, picks specific positive creators. Because those creators are out there representing the company in how they play and interact. They also have Otzdarva as a fog whisperer. He does more for the community than literally anyone else on the platform. There is no single better channel to learn about the game than Otz, and BHVR had him on one of their recent streams. Is that not acknowledging the community? I have never heard of slushie until this video. I did not know who coconut was until last week when I went against someone pretending to be him and had to look him up. Is their content good? Maybe. But BHVR literally CAN NOT promote every single channel that's ever uploaded something. It's just not feasible. They've done more than enough acknowledgment, in a way anyone with any business acumen can understand. If they've even bothered to contact you and put you in the program, that's lucky enough.
Heck let's actually look at both of their youtuber pages. Their content looks functionally identical. Does BHVR really need to roll out the red carpet for youtuber number X with a "I Made tunneling killer #7 GIVE UP" with 1000 views? That's what Slushie's youtube page looks like. Half of the content on Coconuts page is him doomposting about how the game is dying, or the standard content you see on every other page about generic builds or stream compilations. Take the titles of 90% of his content, and slap it on JRM's page or SpooknJukes, and you'd have no idea those videos didn't belong. Outside of it being general content for the sake of it, how are these videos growing the game in any major way? Are they actively improving the community? Teaching new players? Spreading the love of the game? Yeah, I'm sure "10 things that have been removed that made the game actually fun" is just driving new people to pick up the game. Just existing in a space making "content" does not give you special privileges. You are not unique, and BHVR doesn't owe you anything because you made a video about getting good with nurse that has 700 views. Absolute entitlement from both of them to expect BHVR to do any more than they already have.
As far as the cancel culture comment... stop. No actual major creator in the DBD community has been canceled simply for calling a killer or survivor a bitch. That hasn't happened. You cannot name an example of it. If people were losing their jobs because of something as innocuous as calling a killer or survivor a bitch, people like Ayrun, JRM, and Otzdarva wouldnt exist. They do that shit near daily. Get the fuck off twitter and stop giving that kind of shit any head space. At this point it's your own fault if people crying on twitter about dumb shit is something you're still dealing with. Twitter is far more cancer than DBD ever has been, and you 100% don't need to constantly engage with it to grow your platform.
@gamma626 I can't take this game seriously or the content creators especially when Slushie played dbd on stream yesterday. Yes let me trust a streamer who said she quit 5 days ago then go to their stream & she's playing it!! Like huh?! Makes me think she's a disingenuous person
What she said about stagnation is true lol the game needs more chaos I hope the next anniversary is as good or better than the last one because it was probably the best event i've ever played
15:58 well I'm pretty sure they would strongly disagree on this point, the majority of people playing DBD are not 1000+ hours veterants, new players represent the biggest demographic.
ain't no fucking way she's arguing for locker blind. "Yeah, it was uncounterable, unfair, wasted an extreme amount of killer time, and made the match unwinnable for the killer but it should have stayed"
playing any side almost exclusively for a long time makes a lot of people delusional. I play more survivor than I do killer but it's clear from what place her complaints are coming from
It's almost like killer have perks to avoid being blinded
@@ghostmyers2019 omg you're so right. clearly the killer's fault for not opening his third eye and seeing into the future.
@@DEVil-po5xz I'm so glad you agree. It's almost like you can see flashlights in the lobby.
@@ghostmyers2019 yes. because everyone wants to waste an entire perks slot because of 2 flashlights. I mean it's not like the LOSERS who abused that brainless exploit did it explicitly to bully the killer and only switched to flashlight last second.
Yep, the fun has been zapped out of the game. I don't play it anymore with over 3k hrs. My fun dipped dramatically with the Artist where it became a hold W rather than looping/mind games around walls and pallets. I never cared about winning or losing I just wanted to have fun