I would agree, BUT GRRM has been sus about the lemon tree and brought attention to it in interviews so I definitely believe that there is something there.
Easy as - and especially easy for a maritime trading nation 1/ buy a tree 2/ put it outside your house 3/ when it starts to look sad because it's cold and damp _buy another one_ and replace the original Yes, they're big and heavy, but so are a lot of cargoes, and someone who can afford a fancy house in a land-constrained city can afford 3 or 4 trees a year.
The thing that makes the "grand" part of the Grand Nothern Conspiracy is for Manderly to eat every single Frey and Bolton until he is as large as every other Northern lord combined.
I like it, but I don't know exactly what that adds to the story, but then again I'm not GRRM so maybe I'm just not seeing it yet. @@amelancholybear1534
I love when people forget how the Faceless get the faces they disguise themselves as. Just completely forget that they have to peel faces off of corpses...not like latex masks.
Maybe it wasn't a faceless man, but just a gut who looked similar. Arya thinks that the man barely looks like her father when she sees him on the Baelor sept steps, and you might think it's because of him having suffered at the cells, but what if it was a different dude? Ned still died, but it was later. Bran and Rickon saw the dream with their father in the crypts - presumably, on the night after Eddard died. The same day, a raven arrived announcing his execution - but it would take many days for a raven to fly that far! Therefore, the raven was sent not on the day Eddard died, but a week earlier or something like that. Meaning, the day of the supposed execution is about a week before Eddard actually died. Or maybe George just didn't think about that and thought that a prophetic/clairvoyant dream would happen on the same day as a raven arriving.
Dude.. ned is dead.. point blank. NOTHING I mean nothing hints at him being alive or coming back into play.. nothing. You said yourself the reason arya didn't recognize him.. yet you dismiss the most likely reason for the least, it's borderline schizo
For the lemontree: I have no opinion here, but isn't it as a tool just a great symbol for her not having an identity and home. Everything she thinks she is and needs to be comes from hear-say. Her remembering that tree/place wrong captures the essence of that tragidy.
100% authorial oversight if you ask me. He needed a "not too ordinary" tree as a symbol for Dany's lost/idealized childhood + yellow lemons somewhat catch the eye in a Garden. GRRM maybe didn't even know where on the map/topographically Braavos would be when he wrote that chapter.
I've NEVER heard the Coldhands/Night's King theory, and I LOVE it. I've basically always thought that Coldhands wasn't any character that we would know, which I think is fine, but if he has to be someone, that's fun.
There is one part about the 'Kingsguard at the Wall' theory that I love. In Ned's fever dream the faces of Arthur, Oswell and Gerold are clear to Ned while his friends (except Howland I think) are mere shadows. The theory claims that that is because they are still alive while his friends are dead. I don't think the theory is true, but I kind of love this idea.
The incest of Cersei and Jaime is just an artifact of incest being a less Targaryen-exclusive motif in early drafts of the story. The early story outlines had Stark incest.
I think someone higher up in Stannis's camp wrote the pink letter, who doesn't understand the Wall politics, one of those who call Val the wilding princess, but picked up some wilding lingo and heard about Ramsey's reputation from the Northerners. They know that Jon rejected Stannis's offer and is trying to manipulate him into coming. They did it behind a stubborn Stannis's back out of desperation, like the previous Florent Hand who wrote a letter to negotiate peace with Tommen.
I think it would be the most beautiful poetic justice if the son Tywin hated was his only true child and the ones he was so proud of and used for political gain were never actually his. ‘Your legacy is a lie’ gone even further. That being said, I don’t necessarily buy it, but there is evidence. The ‘liberties’, the fact that m/f twins which are passed down genetically are fairly common among targs, the incest thing, etc
I personally think that the "liberties" is more of a way for GRRM to drive a wedge between Aerys and Tywin (as the final straw). I don't really see how the story would benefit from such a reveal since all three of the Lannisters serve as reflections of Tywin and his flawed worldview. Tommen's rule is weakening, we already have three Targaryens that are about to be in Westeros, and having ANOTHER two secret dragonchildren seems superflous.
@@anotherpawn I think people are just too desperate for their fav characters to be super special secret targs cause they’re super special and you can’t be a good compelling character unless you’re secretly royal! It’s just a bit silly
@@emilybarclay8831 I agree. I get that people want Jaime to be Azor Ahai and Cersei to be Aerys 2.0 (which easily could be without Targ-genes) but I don't see thta happening.
I am pretty sure he's said that Rhaegar rped Lyanna. Since, as far as book characters know they didn't have a child, there would be no need to save Lyannas honour by false claiming a rpe so it's pretty obvious Ned did believe dude hurt his sister.
Realistically, there being a secret Targaryen heir out there planning to retake the throne is way more important information than that Varys killed Kevan
YG is literally invading Westeros during that time. The knowledge that he isn't who he says he is would be ten times more valuable than an old man being stabbed to death.
I love the Night's King is Coldhands theory. My prior belief was that his son would grow up to become Coldhands since we're told that he has been there for a long time and since he would be a perfect fit for a other-human hybrid, however, I find it more interesting if the boy was raised as a Stark by Brandon "The Breaker" and that is why the Starks have this magic connection to warging and to Winter.
Imo people turn Bloodraven into too much of a mastermind in a way that isn't true to GRRM's style. Like it just seems so boring if the main plot is being puppetmastered by one dude we don't know instead of being the result of dozens of individual goals.
I like the idea that he's trying to be a mastermind but his plans keep going astray, so he keeps meddling more and more. I doubt Euron was part of the plan, for example! I also think he might be functionally dead and is now a puppet of an Old God (or something else). I'm also 90% convinced Bran's visions were from two sources, and that the Three Eyed Raven is not the Three Eyed Crow - his vision types are very different in content and tone, one being somewhat helpful and the other being very menacing.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't his style. Read his other stuff, he does write about grand conspiracies and puppetmasters. That's literally the Littelfinger and Varys/Illyrio characters lmao
not georgie poergie's writing style? ignoring his other works, within the same text, the same series of books, there are multiple conspiracies and conspirators, I mean you can't sneeze without someone who was a part of some agenda getting moist in the face.
@@jobowisheshewasnomo4171 i don’t think the point they were making was that GRRM doesn’t have manipulators in his story, but that George doesn’t have *perfect* manipulators in his story. People scheme and plan all day, but even the Varys’ and Littlefinger’s will on occasion have a plan go to shit (Ned Stark for Varys, killing Tyrion for Littlefinger). A lot of Bloodraven theories assume that he is a mastermind who has never fucked up even once sine he went through the wall and joined a giant hive mind tree system, which is the part that feels off. You never see a theory about Bloodraven that includes a bit where he really beefed it during a particular part of his plans; everything always goes off without a hitch. Say Bloodraven was behind making sure Jon Snow stuck on the Wall and became Lord Commander (certainly something happened with Ghost); can we really say that Jon dying right after was the intended outcome? Some would say yes, that the death was a part of the whole plan, but it’s just as likely to be a real butthole pucker moment when the one male Stark of age you had left just read a funky letter and completely lost the plot and died. Yeah, he’ll come back, but who besides Melisandre and the Others is around who can bring back people from the dead?
What if... Daenerys is a Blackfyre. The whole Lemon-tree thing is meant to suggest that her past is not what we think it is. So why do we assume that her lineage is either? Maybe the twist is Young Griff is the true Targaryen and she is the mummer's dragon. And when she leans the truth, her entire view of herself and her life is shattered. She always thought she was entitled to the thrown and now that birthright she clung to is stolen from her AGAIN. Could lead someone to do something crazy, like burn down an entire city.
I think Nightlamp and Lemongate belong a little further to the left than Frey Pies. To me Frey Pies is the one theory which is completely and utterly uncontroversial. You'll find people who think George is gonna do a 180 and tell us that R+L =/= J, but nobody would ever deny Frey Pies.
I truly hate that you're so on board with Theon Kinslayer. The whole point of killing the Miller's boys is that it's a horrific thing to just kill two children purely for the sake of securing power. That's the horrible irredeemable part of it - those kids died for no reason and that's the tragedy of it. Making it so that Theon's crime is actually just kinslaying rather than just the senseless murder of two innocent children kind of ruins that? It implies that their lives and deaths don't have any significance if they're just some random peasant kids, which is awful.
I agree with you, but i think Hooded Man=Theon’s Guilt is too good of a theory to NOT believe the miller’s boy’s were theons. Your point still works if theon had no idea they were his
@@hangriat9376 I agree with OP. Can't the guilt just be about betraying the Starks, Winterfell, and The North, leaving it so vulnerable that the Boltons control it now?
I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. It can be a tragic murder of two innocent boys and also be a tragic murder of two innocent boys that happen to be his actual kids. There’s a morbidly poetic irony in that
there's also a way to look at it as karma for theon killing them and thinking "well i didn't actually kill these people i cared about, they're just peasants!" but actually by his callousness he's done something worse
1:05:20 That the pink letter caused a revolt at Castle Black does NOT mean that was the intention. That's the probleem with hindsight, we assume that the result that happened from the pink letter, was the result intended by the writer, but there is NO reason to assume this. In fact, because Jon's reaction was not very smart in the first place, the writer of the letter might expected Jon to behave smarter. Or if Ramsay wrote the pink letter, which is most likely, he would not even have known Jon, or his character, and therefore could not have predicted his reaction. Instead, Ramsay would have assumed Jon to be intimidated and send over Reek and Jeyne, because that's how Ramsay ALWAYS solves problems: by trying to intimidate people into doing his bidding.
i don`t think dismissing the pink letter author being ramsay because of the word crow is valuable, joren is called crow when he travels with arya along the gods eye. it`s realy more of a common insult for a nightswatchman than a pure wildling word
One thing that speaks to YG being a Blacfyre (or just not a Targaryen) is that Vaerys had every chance in the world to prevent the downfall of House Targaryen in Westeros. Just support Rhaegar's cause, feed the Mad King false information and you have a sane ruler again.
I doubt Vaerys would find either man to be an ideal candidate and YG is literally his pet project. If you’d achieved the level of control Vaery’s seems to believe he has why not go for a bigger play?
I feel like Varys has reasons for lying to Kevan despite him being about to die. Namely they’re in the Red Keep, and Varys knows better than anyone that the walls have eyes and ears there. You might argue that he IS the majority of those eyes and ears, but Varys is not the type of dude to risk his entire plan by gloating about it, even if there is minimal risk of being overheard. Of import is the fact that Varys is well aware of the existence of sorcery, and thus may be wary of being overheard via magical means as well. Then again yeah, why is Varys saying anything to Kevan lmao
Glibus, I need you to break into Preston's stream. Just barge in like an angry cop, start doing your stream... on Preston's stream! Sit around there for 2 hours until he starts getting political! Yeah let's go!
Joffrey swords: Lion’s Tooth is his sword during the trip to King’s Landing that Arya tosses, Hearteater is his sword during the Blackwater, and Widow’s Wail is his Valyrian steel wedding gift
I LOVE the twin targs theory not only does it mean that a) robert had just been living with like five targaryens running around him and never knew but also b) the beautiful twins tywin loved were not ~really~ his children and the ugly son he hated was his ONLY trueborn child
For R+E=YG, I think the most compelling evidence is the way little Aegon was (supposedly) killed. At that point, team Lannister has good reason to want to decimate the targs completely and unambiguously. You could very easily build a case that the Mountain grabbed the baby from Elia, realized that the eye/hair color was wrong, and smashed the head in to hide that fact. Then he turned to Elia, who would have been a useful hostage but is also the best person to confirm any rumors of a baby swap, and silences her. Of course, there’s other reasonable explanations for what’s going on here (the Mountain is a brutal monster, and Tywin held a grudge against Elia for stealing Cersei’s place as Rhaegar’s wife), so I still think this theory is wrong, but its not completely without merit.
@@icarus7198 He had no reason to lie and in the context of the conversation he told Tyrion he didn’t instruct Gregor to kill Elia as she didn’t need to die, but he didn’t tell him not to kill her.
I think a very GRRM way to write it would be for undeniable proof of Young Griff’s identity to be revealed shortly before or after he dies brutally, ideally at the hand of Dany, both destroying her identity as the true heir and making her a kinslayer
The key to the "Jon is not dead (or dying)" theory, is not Tormund, but Cregan. One clue is that it is possible only to warg feebleminded people, and by Jon's last chapter, Cregan has become feebleminded. Another clue is that Jon and Cregan are related, which may mean a sufficient resemblance that Cregan can pass for Jon with the aid of one of Mel's glamors. This ties in with the "Who Wrote the Pink Letter" question. Mel wrote it, to trick Jon into taking her prophesies seriously. It worked. This led to Jon consulting with Mel during the gap in Jon's final chapter, plotting how to fulfill Mel's "knives" prophesy while still bypassing it.
Saying Gravedigger is confirmed by the show is sorta like saying Cleganebowl is. And I don't think anyone believes that will play out the same way in the books.
Big props to you though for doing what not a lot of theorists for a lot of different media do and asking "but what purpose would that serve the story?" when discussing theory legitimacy like Espec with ASOIAF where soooo many theories are just "GRRM wasn't entirely honest to us about who this character is" it's important to call out that no matter how cool or wild your theory is, the author isn't going to just lie with implied canon for no reason; no matter how much evidence a theorist can read into in the text, every big twist reveal theory is *going* to have a narrative purpose beyond just "wouldn't it crazy if..?"
Regardless of Jon's parents as honorable as Ned is portrayed its good sneaky planning to wait to tell Jon who is parents are and what he is only after jon takes the black so that it frees Ned of conflicting interest so he can do his job as hand better. But that still dirty to Jon tho.
I realize I'm late to the party here, but was just listening to his as background noise while at work. It seems to me that someone who both thinks Nightlamp is super likely and likes it would be able to square Ramsay writing the Pink Letter, believing it to be true. Also, more as a supplement to N+A=J. I believe Ned and Ashara did have a relationship, and I even think Ned fathered a bastard: Ashara's stillborn daughter. But then Brandon dies, Ned has to marry Catelyn, and Ned feels like he betrayed his vows to Catelyn by fathering a bastard with another woman, even if he wasn't married to Cat yet. That makes it all that much easier for him to claim Jon is his own bastard. While it's much more of a god of the gaps argument, I think it fits within the gaps well and adds to the tragedy that was everything happening with Brandon, Lyanna, and Ashara. Let's not forget the Daynes thought well enough of Ned to name their heir after him. I don't think you get that by just returning Dawn to them after Arthur's death.
I think the biggest argument against Shiera = Quaithe is the same as the argument against Daemon = Coldhands: she's mentioned in the books like twice in passing and only once is by name.
I reckon the noise in the background is because the cable going from your mic to the computer is too close to another cable or something electronic. It would be hard to fix if you can't hear it.
Lemongate is not just about lemons. There is others details that don't add up that are so often overlooked. I do recall Dany thinking of running in a grass field or stuff like that. Preston analysed this page in so much details and even if I think he goes a bit too far at times, there is no denying that nothing adds up. It's not just the lemons. It's the most compelling evidence but it's not just about lemons. The memory isn't just slightly off, there is literally nothing in common with the Braavos we see later. I don't see why GRRM would add all these details just to hide that she was at the sealord's palace. We already know that she was fostered in many powerful essosi households (Illyrio, the archon of Tyrosh I believe,...). That would not change the story. Now if she wasn't brought up in Braavos, that opens the realm of possibilities.
Most likely option is that she was living with someone rich. "There's no more wood." Dareon had paid the innkeep double for a room with a hearth, but none of them had realized that wood would be so costly here. Trees did not grow on Braavos, save in the courts and gardens of the mighty."
@@proficient8305 But she never remember anything else closely related to Braavos like the smell of the sea, the canals, the smog and all that makes Braavos Braavos. And she also remember running barefoot in the fields which is something a wealthy family wouldn't even have. It's not the fact that some stuff don't match up, it's the fact that literally nothing at all matches up. And hiding the fact that she was at some random wealthy Braavosi house is a pretty shitty mystery. What is the purpose of hiding the fact that she lived with the sea lord of Braavos (as many think). We don't know shit about him and that wouldn't be a revelation as she was known to have lived with such wealthy politician of the free cities.
R+L=D+J would require Lyanna to be publicly pregnant, like, around the eventual rebels. Robert, the Starks, Jon Arryn, etc., would know that she had a baby out of wedlock.
I personally feel like that wouldn't happen due to the characers' personalities not matching up, and Coldhands being a man of the night's watch. But yeah, you never know what George will do.
@@dbilly121 I would literally eat my copy of fire and blood lmao. George definitely likes the attention that the show gets him so it wouldn't surprise me if he did this just because he wanted to bring back a fan favorite.
ASOIAF is post-apocalyptic abd more advanced civilizations existed in the past is literally canon, just not in the sci-fi genre being alluded to. I think what disproves it is the obvious magic in the present time. Like Melisandre's shadow baby. That's all pretty solidly "fantasy" type stuff. EDIT: lol you said it too after I commented
Because otherwise, there are so many holes in Ned’s official story. He rode from the siege of storms end without a baby, rode through dorn, to the tower of joy and then next thing he has a baby
Yes, Varys is a woman, is a Blackfyre, and is Serra (the soft white hands are a clue). However, she and Illyrio are not YG's parents, but his grandparents. Illyrio and Serra had a daughter, but she grew up and got married before Serra went to KL as Varys, twenty-something years ago. Serra's daughter's name was Mellario, and the man she married was Doran Martell. Mellario's 3 kids with Doran are all Blackfyre descendants. We have met Mellario near Norvos under the name "Lemore", and at one point she identifies as merchant's daughter (Illyrio being her dad). However. at some point Doran and Mellario agreed to swap Baby Aegon with Baby Quentyn (Varys and Illyrio are probably in on it too). The scheme now is to put Young Griff, born as "Quentyn Martell", on the Iron Throne (because he looks the part, is Varys and Illyrio' grandson, is Doran and Mellario's son, and is a Blackfyre), while the real Baby Aegon (who grew to look more like a Martell and no longer looks the part) is raised to believe he is Quentyn Martell, and then sent to be fostered by the Yronwoods.
There is an audible high pitched noise coming from the background and I cannot deal with it. I like your videos, but dear God my ears. That little tiny high piched noise is killing my ears, I checked other videos on UA-cam and it's only happening with this one.
It's very noticable at 33:43 if anyone is checking for it. Hey this can also work as an age test. Since as you age you can hear high piched sounds less and less.
Can you do a video on Harry the heir being Brandon Starks bastard and how that may play out with the Vale plot line? Also will we see the Arryns of gulltown is Harry is outed?
Lemon tree was debunked today on reddit was very good found an early draft of AGOT book wher Denerrys was soposed to be in Tyros not bravos and martint didt had map figured out that early in the books
I think R+L=J is the more likely. However, I do believe it's not that simple. Mainly the fact that House dayne should not think highly of Ned having killed Arthur Dayne and not even returning the bones. Despite that, they seem to be on very very good term by nicknaming Edric Dayne Ned. There are other little details that tell me that there is more to it than just the classic R+L=J and that's it.
i agree that there is clearly more to it than just rhaegar, lyanna, and jon. the daynes are more than just a weird red herring. though i don't think they're necessarily pivotal.
More evidence for A+J=J+C is in Jaime's dream at the end of Dance where he dreams of meeting his mother. She laments that Tywin hoped his daughter would be queen and his son a brave knight. Jaime reassures her that both happened. Johanna looks sad and says nothing.
I think there is way more credence to the “Ned and Ashara are Jons parents” theory than people want to believe. Check it out : it is kind of cooler, and nobler, if Ned’s lie was his marriage to Cat and his lineage being bastards. Ned traveled all through the vale with a mysterious woman, who has to be Ashara Dayne. We can assume this was to bring her to Brandon and Cat’s wedding, to ask if he could marry her… unless he got her pregnant with Jon and married her already. Tywin explains part of his plan to betray Robb to Tyrion, and says Robb “was his fathers son.” How else would Robb be “his fathers son”, when the context was him knocking up and marrying Jeyne for her honor? This is also backed up by Cersei being the only one to bring up Ashara to Ned. Possible than she heard it from Tywin, or as gossip that Tywin eventually used to leverage Robb. The only other time we hear of someone talking to Ned about Ashara is when Cat said Ned told her “to never ask about Jon’s mother”. Hmm…. Anyway, Ned is traveling north with a strange woman. Now we’re supposed to assume Ned went from shy Ned who couldn’t dance with Ashara, to 2 potential love interests in a year? Hard to believe. While they’re heading north, Brandon is killed and now Ned fulfilling the marriage vow with Riverrun is the only thing keeping Robert’s alliance alive. Ned probably would’ve tried to calm Robert down if his father and brother weren’t murdered, but now he’s lord, and retribution is expected, so now Ned has to make the toughest choice of his life - Dishonor his still secret wife, or abandon the alliance. Well, Ned says he dishonored the vow between gods and men, which could really only be a marriage vow, as it is sworn before gods and men. Having a bastard is not. I know, super tinfoilly, but it’s makes for a cooler story than “chosen hero blah blah blah” arc for Jon. Him being a Targ goes nowhere. His path is to fight the ancient fight for the dawn, which both the Starks and Daynes did. He never has a dragon dream, always Stark crypts. No dragon references. And why continue to bring up Ashara. Why a red herring? Why do we get a story that involves her in each book? Multiple mentions in Dance. I think the obvious story could be the true one. Rhaegar and Lyanna became really popular over the years, and now it is assumed fact, but really, I believe there is little text evidence to actually support it. Anyway, hope this entertained someone lol.
Didn't GRRM only let D&D run the show based on if they guessed Jon's parents correctly though? I think that was his condition for that, and in the show R+L=J is true so I'd guess it's true in the books as well. Hopefully I'm remembering correctly
@@mistrkill I believe it’s true but it’s still ambiguous. He still hasn’t said yes when asked, even after the show. And his wife laughed at the idea.. so I dunno.
"I believe there is little text evidence to actually support it." That's because you're overfocused on N+A=J that you ignore the evidence for R+L. First piece of evidence is in the first book, where it says of Jon's resemblance to Ned "whoever Jon Snow's mother was, she had left nothing of herself in him." We can take this as dramatic irony because Jon doesn't look like Ned, he looks like his mother Lyanna. Then there's Daenerys' vision in the House of the Undying of a winter rose growing in a chink in a wall of ice. Which is clearly Jon, Lyanna's child (winter roses being Lyanna's favourite flower, and her crown as the Queen of Love and Beauty) growing up at the Wall. There's no real explanation for that vision otherwise.
@@bookswithike3256 true. But I don’t ignore evidence for R+L, I just don’t think that potential dramatic irony and that one vision that could mean a lot of things are enough “evidence” to hold the water for that argument. I don’t care either way, I just think there’s enough evidence for a conversation…
@@bookswithike3256 Could the winter rose be referring to Dany herself, in that she needs to go to the Wall and that's where she will grow on her path to rule Westeros. That's where here road begins. All the references to the winter rose are women in both Lyanna and the Bael the Bard story. It doesn't really make sense for Jon to be symbolically referenced through his mother. The winter rose more closely represents a kidnapped Northern Princess. Maybe Dany was kidnapped from Ned and that's why he feels like he failed Lyanna. He may have no idea that she was used to replace a Dany who died at some earlier point. Or maybe she is going to be kidnapped by Jon Snow. Or maybe it references both of them and George wants to pull some Luke and Leia type stuff. I hope it's more than just R+L=J. Edit: In fact, I think R+L=JDA. Aegon is real. Jon is likely the oldest, Dany second, and Aegon third.
I know I'm late but there absolutely is a audio error going though out the video. If I had to guess your mic is picking up your powersupply or its your mains power current. I hear it in my headphones and I can test on another set but I recognize the sound in line with mics picking up electronics. Microwaves sometimes cause it tbf to chat.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that George RR Martin actually wrote the Pink Letter, but I might be wrong. Could've been one of his editors or something...
Just to comment on one of your arguments about R+L=J/D (agreeing with you): Ned has the the Tower of Joy dream during the Assassinate Daenerys debacle not because it's a 1:1 correlation, but because Robert wants to kill all the Targaryen's (no matter the age) and if Jon's father is Rhaegar then, he's a Targaryen. He dreams it because he wants to protect Jon, specifically from the likes of Robert.
I was thinking of buying all the books for my bf and also reading them myself. Tho I’ve spoiled myself a lot, not from the good read tho I know that. But question, have u read the latest book? Is Jon Snow still dead canon? Just wondering, it’s off topic
1:50:18 - LMAO, Glidus roasting another Order of the Green Hand classic. XD It's like whenever one of their favorite theories gets covered here, Glidus just roasts it, and I love it so much. XD
The theory of the beep in the background is facts.... it must be close to the mic, but far enough for him not to hear it. Might be too close to the screen.
Nope. But it is basically the Stark equivelent to the name Aegon where there are a lot more of those than others. Historically, there are Rickons, Benjens, etc. but these are few and far between, while Brandon is a lot more reacurring.
Not gunna lie, Varys being a woman is an interesting concept - just not as YG's mother. I do have one doubt, though - Varys convinces Ned that he's a burly guard in the dungeon in A Game of Thrones until revealing himself. Admittedly putting on a deeper voice isn't that difficult, especially short term with someone who's been isolated for a while in the dark (and someone who expects to see male guards). I might even go as far to suggest Varys is trans male or intersex, though there's no evidence for this since we know eunuchs are common in Essos so that story isn't hard to believe. Still, its an interesting idea that might pan out. I'm still in the camp that YG is the son of Illyiro and Serra Blackfyre.
The true Pink Letter. Jon wrote it himself in a drunken haze and forgot about it.
It is known
'Lemon Trees don't grow in Braavos' is the ASOIAF version of 'Jet fuel can't melt steel beams'
I would agree, BUT GRRM has been sus about the lemon tree and brought attention to it in interviews so I definitely believe that there is something there.
lmaoooo that’s fucking hilarious
Easy as - and especially easy for a maritime trading nation
1/ buy a tree
2/ put it outside your house
3/ when it starts to look sad because it's cold and damp _buy another one_ and replace the original
Yes, they're big and heavy, but so are a lot of cargoes, and someone who can afford a fancy house in a land-constrained city can afford 3 or 4 trees a year.
Fckn sheep
Summerhall was an inside job!
The thing that makes the "grand" part of the Grand Nothern Conspiracy is for Manderly to eat every single Frey and Bolton until he is as large as every other Northern lord combined.
Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other five?
Knowing that eating people gives power mandrely killing the night king would make more sense then ayra. Lol
Why doesn't Wyman, the largest Lord, just eat all the other Lords?
It is known
That's the big, fat northern conspiracy
Let us not forget that in chapter 16 of Fire and Blood, the sentence "Every man ahorse." is used.
Until this moment, I've been unaware that "ahorse" was an actual word. However have I made it thus far without this knowledge? 😳🥴
Arya: “I am no man”
*Arya pulls off her horseface and reveals that she is secretly the daughter of Ser Pounce before shanking the Night King*
some of the men are even abreast and abed
ASOIAF is a Brony fan fic. CANNON!
Glisten has bestowed upon us more wisdom:
“High isn’t a setting on MY oven”
There are definitely way too many secret identity theories. Every character doesn't need to be related to someone else or have a mysterious backstory.
that's how you end up with the star wars universe
Okay but the Half-hand is clearly Arthur Dayne.
Jyana = Ashara, Ned just never asked and she was always sick whenever he visited
I like it, but I don't know exactly what that adds to the story, but then again I'm not GRRM so maybe I'm just not seeing it yet. @@amelancholybear1534
"Ned wasn't executed" says a faceless man was paid to take Ned's place? Wouldn't acquiring Ned's face require killing him????
I love when people forget how the Faceless get the faces they disguise themselves as. Just completely forget that they have to peel faces off of corpses...not like latex masks.
No they just took his face without killing him, thats why he wears a mask and is actually Quaithe
Maybe it wasn't a faceless man, but just a gut who looked similar. Arya thinks that the man barely looks like her father when she sees him on the Baelor sept steps, and you might think it's because of him having suffered at the cells, but what if it was a different dude?
Ned still died, but it was later. Bran and Rickon saw the dream with their father in the crypts - presumably, on the night after Eddard died. The same day, a raven arrived announcing his execution - but it would take many days for a raven to fly that far! Therefore, the raven was sent not on the day Eddard died, but a week earlier or something like that. Meaning, the day of the supposed execution is about a week before Eddard actually died.
Or maybe George just didn't think about that and thought that a prophetic/clairvoyant dream would happen on the same day as a raven arriving.
Dude.. ned is dead.. point blank.
NOTHING I mean nothing hints at him being alive or coming back into play.. nothing.
You said yourself the reason arya didn't recognize him.. yet you dismiss the most likely reason for the least, it's borderline schizo
Also that faceless man would be be dead. And self-sacrifice isn't really in their playbook.
For the lemontree: I have no opinion here, but isn't it as a tool just a great symbol for her not having an identity and home. Everything she thinks she is and needs to be comes from hear-say. Her remembering that tree/place wrong captures the essence of that tragidy.
100% authorial oversight if you ask me.
He needed a "not too ordinary" tree as a symbol for Dany's lost/idealized childhood + yellow lemons somewhat catch the eye in a Garden. GRRM maybe didn't even know where on the map/topographically Braavos would be when he wrote that chapter.
Braavosi coast. Boom
I've NEVER heard the Coldhands/Night's King theory, and I LOVE it. I've basically always thought that Coldhands wasn't any character that we would know, which I think is fine, but if he has to be someone, that's fun.
So the ashara/howland theory is basically: he was so ugly she had to fake her death to marry him???
Sometime good dick makes you do crazy things
It is known.
There is one part about the 'Kingsguard at the Wall' theory that I love. In Ned's fever dream the faces of Arthur, Oswell and Gerold are clear to Ned while his friends (except Howland I think) are mere shadows.
The theory claims that that is because they are still alive while his friends are dead. I don't think the theory is true, but I kind of love this idea.
The incest of Cersei and Jaime is just an artifact of incest being a less Targaryen-exclusive motif in early drafts of the story. The early story outlines had Stark incest.
Arya-Tyrion-Jon love triangle.....uargh. Twincest anyday over this.
Appreciate the Mean Girls ref “OMG you can’t just ask people why they’re a eunuch.”
I think someone higher up in Stannis's camp wrote the pink letter, who doesn't understand the Wall politics, one of those who call Val the wilding princess, but picked up some wilding lingo and heard about Ramsey's reputation from the Northerners. They know that Jon rejected Stannis's offer and is trying to manipulate him into coming. They did it behind a stubborn Stannis's back out of desperation, like the previous Florent Hand who wrote a letter to negotiate peace with Tommen.
I think it would be the most beautiful poetic justice if the son Tywin hated was his only true child and the ones he was so proud of and used for political gain were never actually his. ‘Your legacy is a lie’ gone even further. That being said, I don’t necessarily buy it, but there is evidence. The ‘liberties’, the fact that m/f twins which are passed down genetically are fairly common among targs, the incest thing, etc
This is what I've thought forever. This would also make Jamie a potential Azor Ahai, which I enjoy.
@@Xumal it’s one of those fun theories that I don’t necessarily buy but wouldn’t be mad if they came true
I personally think that the "liberties" is more of a way for GRRM to drive a wedge between Aerys and Tywin (as the final straw). I don't really see how the story would benefit from such a reveal since all three of the Lannisters serve as reflections of Tywin and his flawed worldview. Tommen's rule is weakening, we already have three Targaryens that are about to be in Westeros, and having ANOTHER two secret dragonchildren seems superflous.
@@anotherpawn I think people are just too desperate for their fav characters to be super special secret targs cause they’re super special and you can’t be a good compelling character unless you’re secretly royal! It’s just a bit silly
@@emilybarclay8831 I agree. I get that people want Jaime to be Azor Ahai and Cersei to be Aerys 2.0 (which easily could be without Targ-genes) but I don't see thta happening.
The notion that Rhaegar amd Lyanna eloped is supported in the text because Ned doesn't seem to think ill of him.
I am pretty sure he's said that Rhaegar rped Lyanna. Since, as far as book characters know they didn't have a child, there would be no need to save Lyannas honour by false claiming a rpe so it's pretty obvious Ned did believe dude hurt his sister.
@@bmp2791 no he didn't
I think anyone eavesdropping on Varys and Kevan's conversation would probably be more concerned with the fact that he killed him
Realistically, there being a secret Targaryen heir out there planning to retake the throne is way more important information than that Varys killed Kevan
YG is literally invading Westeros during that time. The knowledge that he isn't who he says he is would be ten times more valuable than an old man being stabbed to death.
I love the Night's King is Coldhands theory. My prior belief was that his son would grow up to become Coldhands since we're told that he has been there for a long time and since he would be a perfect fit for a other-human hybrid, however, I find it more interesting if the boy was raised as a Stark by Brandon "The Breaker" and that is why the Starks have this magic connection to warging and to Winter.
Imo people turn Bloodraven into too much of a mastermind in a way that isn't true to GRRM's style. Like it just seems so boring if the main plot is being puppetmastered by one dude we don't know instead of being the result of dozens of individual goals.
I like the idea that he's trying to be a mastermind but his plans keep going astray, so he keeps meddling more and more. I doubt Euron was part of the plan, for example!
I also think he might be functionally dead and is now a puppet of an Old God (or something else). I'm also 90% convinced Bran's visions were from two sources, and that the Three Eyed Raven is not the Three Eyed Crow - his vision types are very different in content and tone, one being somewhat helpful and the other being very menacing.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't his style. Read his other stuff, he does write about grand conspiracies and puppetmasters. That's literally the Littelfinger and Varys/Illyrio characters lmao
not georgie poergie's writing style? ignoring his other works, within the same text, the same series of books, there are multiple conspiracies and conspirators, I mean you can't sneeze without someone who was a part of some agenda getting moist in the face.
@@jobowisheshewasnomo4171 i don’t think the point they were making was that GRRM doesn’t have manipulators in his story, but that George doesn’t have *perfect* manipulators in his story. People scheme and plan all day, but even the Varys’ and Littlefinger’s will on occasion have a plan go to shit (Ned Stark for Varys, killing Tyrion for Littlefinger). A lot of Bloodraven theories assume that he is a mastermind who has never fucked up even once sine he went through the wall and joined a giant hive mind tree system, which is the part that feels off. You never see a theory about Bloodraven that includes a bit where he really beefed it during a particular part of his plans; everything always goes off without a hitch.
Say Bloodraven was behind making sure Jon Snow stuck on the Wall and became Lord Commander (certainly something happened with Ghost); can we really say that Jon dying right after was the intended outcome? Some would say yes, that the death was a part of the whole plan, but it’s just as likely to be a real butthole pucker moment when the one male Stark of age you had left just read a funky letter and completely lost the plot and died. Yeah, he’ll come back, but who besides Melisandre and the Others is around who can bring back people from the dead?
What if... Daenerys is a Blackfyre. The whole Lemon-tree thing is meant to suggest that her past is not what we think it is. So why do we assume that her lineage is either? Maybe the twist is Young Griff is the true Targaryen and she is the mummer's dragon. And when she leans the truth, her entire view of herself and her life is shattered. She always thought she was entitled to the thrown and now that birthright she clung to is stolen from her AGAIN. Could lead someone to do something crazy, like burn down an entire city.
I think Nightlamp and Lemongate belong a little further to the left than Frey Pies. To me Frey Pies is the one theory which is completely and utterly uncontroversial. You'll find people who think George is gonna do a 180 and tell us that R+L =/= J, but nobody would ever deny Frey Pies.
There are so many germans in Glidus discord because we germans do love our austr(al)ian men. Yes, I'm german.
Have you finished your calibrations?
I just clicked his Australian (I'm Australian) lol. Not many youtubers I follow are it is refreshing
I truly hate that you're so on board with Theon Kinslayer. The whole point of killing the Miller's boys is that it's a horrific thing to just kill two children purely for the sake of securing power. That's the horrible irredeemable part of it - those kids died for no reason and that's the tragedy of it. Making it so that Theon's crime is actually just kinslaying rather than just the senseless murder of two innocent children kind of ruins that? It implies that their lives and deaths don't have any significance if they're just some random peasant kids, which is awful.
I agree with you, but i think Hooded Man=Theon’s Guilt is too good of a theory to NOT believe the miller’s boy’s were theons. Your point still works if theon had no idea they were his
@@hangriat9376 I agree with OP. Can't the guilt just be about betraying the Starks, Winterfell, and The North, leaving it so vulnerable that the Boltons control it now?
I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. It can be a tragic murder of two innocent boys and also be a tragic murder of two innocent boys that happen to be his actual kids. There’s a morbidly poetic irony in that
there's also a way to look at it as karma for theon killing them and thinking "well i didn't actually kill these people i cared about, they're just peasants!" but actually by his callousness he's done something worse
It can be both dude
1:05:20 That the pink letter caused a revolt at Castle Black does NOT mean that was the intention. That's the probleem with hindsight, we assume that the result that happened from the pink letter, was the result intended by the writer, but there is NO reason to assume this. In fact, because Jon's reaction was not very smart in the first place, the writer of the letter might expected Jon to behave smarter.
Or if Ramsay wrote the pink letter, which is most likely, he would not even have known Jon, or his character, and therefore could not have predicted his reaction. Instead, Ramsay would have assumed Jon to be intimidated and send over Reek and Jeyne, because that's how Ramsay ALWAYS solves problems: by trying to intimidate people into doing his bidding.
i don`t think dismissing the pink letter author being ramsay because of the word crow is valuable, joren is called crow when he travels with arya along the gods eye. it`s realy more of a common insult for a nightswatchman than a pure wildling word
The beeps are there. Subtle but there.
Daddy glingo has blessed us again
One thing that speaks to YG being a Blacfyre (or just not a Targaryen) is that Vaerys had every chance in the world to prevent the downfall of House Targaryen in Westeros. Just support Rhaegar's cause, feed the Mad King false information and you have a sane ruler again.
I doubt Vaerys would find either man to be an ideal candidate and YG is literally his pet project. If you’d achieved the level of control Vaery’s seems to believe he has why not go for a bigger play?
@@fletcherw32 Okay, but that still means that maintaining Targaryen supremacy wasn't exactly one of his priorities.
I feel like Varys has reasons for lying to Kevan despite him being about to die. Namely they’re in the Red Keep, and Varys knows better than anyone that the walls have eyes and ears there. You might argue that he IS the majority of those eyes and ears, but Varys is not the type of dude to risk his entire plan by gloating about it, even if there is minimal risk of being overheard. Of import is the fact that Varys is well aware of the existence of sorcery, and thus may be wary of being overheard via magical means as well.
Then again yeah, why is Varys saying anything to Kevan lmao
Glibus, I need you to break into Preston's stream. Just barge in like an angry cop, start doing your stream... on Preston's stream! Sit around there for 2 hours until he starts getting political! Yeah let's go!
he has invited me on! the timing's just never worked out. and i'm nervous.
@@glimbus yeah i'd be nervous like a little girl too sis
Hope one day i can witness your duo
Imagine if alt snift also joins what a party
"I Like.... I Hate this alot less" sums up ASOIAF theories.
Joffrey swords: Lion’s Tooth is his sword during the trip to King’s Landing that Arya tosses, Hearteater is his sword during the Blackwater, and Widow’s Wail is his Valyrian steel wedding gift
I LOVE the twin targs theory not only does it mean that a) robert had just been living with like five targaryens running around him and never knew but also b) the beautiful twins tywin loved were not ~really~ his children and the ugly son he hated was his ONLY trueborn child
For R+E=YG, I think the most compelling evidence is the way little Aegon was (supposedly) killed. At that point, team Lannister has good reason to want to decimate the targs completely and unambiguously. You could very easily build a case that the Mountain grabbed the baby from Elia, realized that the eye/hair color was wrong, and smashed the head in to hide that fact. Then he turned to Elia, who would have been a useful hostage but is also the best person to confirm any rumors of a baby swap, and silences her.
Of course, there’s other reasonable explanations for what’s going on here (the Mountain is a brutal monster, and Tywin held a grudge against Elia for stealing Cersei’s place as Rhaegar’s wife), so I still think this theory is wrong, but its not completely without merit.
Baby Aegon is alive, but Young Griff is not Baby Aegon. There was a swap.
Tywin himself said he didn’t tell The Mountain to kill Elia
@@roronoalaw7772 But of course he would say that, wouldn’t he?
@@icarus7198 He had no reason to lie and in the context of the conversation he told Tyrion he didn’t instruct Gregor to kill Elia as she didn’t need to die, but he didn’t tell him not to kill her.
Hell yeah, chimera Tyrion getting the love it definitely deserves.
I think a very GRRM way to write it would be for undeniable proof of Young Griff’s identity to be revealed shortly before or after he dies brutally, ideally at the hand of Dany, both destroying her identity as the true heir and making her a kinslayer
The key to the "Jon is not dead (or dying)" theory, is not Tormund, but Cregan. One clue is that it is possible only to warg feebleminded people, and by Jon's last chapter, Cregan has become feebleminded. Another clue is that Jon and Cregan are related, which may mean a sufficient resemblance that Cregan can pass for Jon with the aid of one of Mel's glamors. This ties in with the "Who Wrote the Pink Letter" question. Mel wrote it, to trick Jon into taking her prophesies seriously. It worked. This led to Jon consulting with Mel during the gap in Jon's final chapter, plotting how to fulfill Mel's "knives" prophesy while still bypassing it.
Saying Gravedigger is confirmed by the show is sorta like saying Cleganebowl is. And I don't think anyone believes that will play out the same way in the books.
Big props to you though for doing what not a lot of theorists for a lot of different media do and asking "but what purpose would that serve the story?" when discussing theory legitimacy like
Espec with ASOIAF where soooo many theories are just "GRRM wasn't entirely honest to us about who this character is" it's important to call out that no matter how cool or wild your theory is, the author isn't going to just lie with implied canon for no reason; no matter how much evidence a theorist can read into in the text, every big twist reveal theory is *going* to have a narrative purpose beyond just "wouldn't it crazy if..?"
please glidus the beeping
I think maybe Tywin thinks A+J=T might be the case, but that it isn't
Regardless of Jon's parents as honorable as Ned is portrayed its good sneaky planning to wait to tell Jon who is parents are and what he is only after jon takes the black so that it frees Ned of conflicting interest so he can do his job as hand better. But that still dirty to Jon tho.
I realize I'm late to the party here, but was just listening to his as background noise while at work. It seems to me that someone who both thinks Nightlamp is super likely and likes it would be able to square Ramsay writing the Pink Letter, believing it to be true.
Also, more as a supplement to N+A=J. I believe Ned and Ashara did have a relationship, and I even think Ned fathered a bastard: Ashara's stillborn daughter. But then Brandon dies, Ned has to marry Catelyn, and Ned feels like he betrayed his vows to Catelyn by fathering a bastard with another woman, even if he wasn't married to Cat yet. That makes it all that much easier for him to claim Jon is his own bastard. While it's much more of a god of the gaps argument, I think it fits within the gaps well and adds to the tragedy that was everything happening with Brandon, Lyanna, and Ashara.
Let's not forget the Daynes thought well enough of Ned to name their heir after him. I don't think you get that by just returning Dawn to them after Arthur's death.
I think the biggest argument against Shiera = Quaithe is the same as the argument against Daemon = Coldhands: she's mentioned in the books like twice in passing and only once is by name.
Shiera = Quaithe should go right in the middle of the likelihood axis imo. No real evidence either way, it's just a neat idea
I reckon the noise in the background is because the cable going from your mic to the computer is too close to another cable or something electronic. It would be hard to fix if you can't hear it.
It was the cable going to my piano. Old cable, hot signal.
Mance wrote the Pink Letter is both the most likely and by far my favorite imo
The House Of The Red Door is in the Braavosi coast. It is known.
Lemongate is not just about lemons. There is others details that don't add up that are so often overlooked. I do recall Dany thinking of running in a grass field or stuff like that. Preston analysed this page in so much details and even if I think he goes a bit too far at times, there is no denying that nothing adds up.
It's not just the lemons. It's the most compelling evidence but it's not just about lemons. The memory isn't just slightly off, there is literally nothing in common with the Braavos we see later.
I don't see why GRRM would add all these details just to hide that she was at the sealord's palace. We already know that she was fostered in many powerful essosi households (Illyrio, the archon of Tyrosh I believe,...). That would not change the story. Now if she wasn't brought up in Braavos, that opens the realm of possibilities.
Most likely option is that she was living with someone rich.
"There's no more wood." Dareon had paid the innkeep double for a room with a hearth, but none of them had realized that wood would be so costly here. Trees did not grow on Braavos, save in the courts and gardens of the mighty."
@@proficient8305 But she never remember anything else closely related to Braavos like the smell of the sea, the canals, the smog and all that makes Braavos Braavos. And she also remember running barefoot in the fields which is something a wealthy family wouldn't even have. It's not the fact that some stuff don't match up, it's the fact that literally nothing at all matches up.
And hiding the fact that she was at some random wealthy Braavosi house is a pretty shitty mystery. What is the purpose of hiding the fact that she lived with the sea lord of Braavos (as many think). We don't know shit about him and that wouldn't be a revelation as she was known to have lived with such wealthy politician of the free cities.
R+L=D+J would require Lyanna to be publicly pregnant, like, around the eventual rebels. Robert, the Starks, Jon Arryn, etc., would know that she had a baby out of wedlock.
58:02 there was beeping
Tbh I can see George being influenced by the popularity of Daemon Targaryen to make Coldhands into him, and I would absolutely hate it.
I personally feel like that wouldn't happen due to the characers' personalities not matching up, and Coldhands being a man of the night's watch. But yeah, you never know what George will do.
@@anotherpawn Oh it won't happen, it'd be stupid to do it, but it'd be funny at least.
@@dbilly121 I would literally eat my copy of fire and blood lmao. George definitely likes the attention that the show gets him so it wouldn't surprise me if he did this just because he wanted to bring back a fan favorite.
Good, I much prefer the fat man books
I hate r + l = j but it’s absolutely true. GRRM would be an absolute gamer if she just never reveals it.
Varussy. That is all.
ASOIAF is post-apocalyptic abd more advanced civilizations existed in the past is literally canon, just not in the sci-fi genre being alluded to.
I think what disproves it is the obvious magic in the present time. Like Melisandre's shadow baby. That's all pretty solidly "fantasy" type stuff.
EDIT: lol you said it too after I commented
I think N+A=J could be an in universe theory as to Jon’s true parentage, like maybe someone like bariston or little finger has?
Because otherwise, there are so many holes in Ned’s official story. He rode from the siege of storms end without a baby, rode through dorn, to the tower of joy and then next thing he has a baby
But didn’t Ned go right from the tower of joy to Star fall to return the sword of the morning?
Where Ashara had like, just had a baby still born? And then right after ned returned the sword and said he killed her brother she killed herself?
If I’m bariston or little finger or VARYS I’m assuming the kid isn’t wyla, the wet nurse, but ashas
It makes more sense for Ned to break his honor for this like, girl he openly showed interest in, than some random nurse
Get this man a shaved goat and a bottle of olive oil
Yes, Varys is a woman, is a Blackfyre, and is Serra (the soft white hands are a clue). However, she and Illyrio are not YG's parents, but his grandparents. Illyrio and Serra had a daughter, but she grew up and got married before Serra went to KL as Varys, twenty-something years ago. Serra's daughter's name was Mellario, and the man she married was Doran Martell. Mellario's 3 kids with Doran are all Blackfyre descendants. We have met Mellario near Norvos under the name "Lemore", and at one point she identifies as merchant's daughter (Illyrio being her dad). However. at some point Doran and Mellario agreed to swap Baby Aegon with Baby Quentyn (Varys and Illyrio are probably in on it too). The scheme now is to put Young Griff, born as "Quentyn Martell", on the Iron Throne (because he looks the part, is Varys and Illyrio' grandson, is Doran and Mellario's son, and is a Blackfyre), while the real Baby Aegon (who grew to look more like a Martell and no longer looks the part) is raised to believe he is Quentyn Martell, and then sent to be fostered by the Yronwoods.
absolute schizo theory, but i think i like it. varys x illyrio is a little weird tho💀
There is an audible high pitched noise coming from the background and I cannot deal with it. I like your videos, but dear God my ears. That little tiny high piched noise is killing my ears, I checked other videos on UA-cam and it's only happening with this one.
It's very noticable at 33:43 if anyone is checking for it. Hey this can also work as an age test. Since as you age you can hear high piched sounds less and less.
Can you do a video on Harry the heir being Brandon Starks bastard and how that may play out with the Vale plot line? Also will we see the Arryns of gulltown is Harry is outed?
Sweeet, I saw the Thrones stream and was hoping you'd do a Song stream. Would love more book content
The beeping they were referring to was a high frequency feedback I think 🤔
Which stream does he talk about N+A=J?
Drink every time man's out of breath
I love your work. BUT THOSE BEEPS!!
Lemon tree was debunked today on reddit was very good found an early draft of AGOT book wher Denerrys was soposed to be in Tyros not bravos and martint didt had map figured out that early in the books
I think R+L=J is the more likely. However, I do believe it's not that simple. Mainly the fact that House dayne should not think highly of Ned having killed Arthur Dayne and not even returning the bones. Despite that, they seem to be on very very good term by nicknaming Edric Dayne Ned. There are other little details that tell me that there is more to it than just the classic R+L=J and that's it.
i agree that there is clearly more to it than just rhaegar, lyanna, and jon. the daynes are more than just a weird red herring. though i don't think they're necessarily pivotal.
The others being space zombies is good right guys!
More evidence for A+J=J+C is in Jaime's dream at the end of Dance where he dreams of meeting his mother. She laments that Tywin hoped his daughter would be queen and his son a brave knight. Jaime reassures her that both happened. Johanna looks sad and says nothing.
Varys's little birds might've been around to hear Young Griff's true identity.
I think there is way more credence to the “Ned and Ashara are Jons parents” theory than people want to believe. Check it out : it is kind of cooler, and nobler, if Ned’s lie was his marriage to Cat and his lineage being bastards. Ned traveled all through the vale with a mysterious woman, who has to be Ashara Dayne. We can assume this was to bring her to Brandon and Cat’s wedding, to ask if he could marry her… unless he got her pregnant with Jon and married her already. Tywin explains part of his plan to betray Robb to Tyrion, and says Robb “was his fathers son.” How else would Robb be “his fathers son”, when the context was him knocking up and marrying Jeyne for her honor? This is also backed up by Cersei being the only one to bring up Ashara to Ned. Possible than she heard it from Tywin, or as gossip that Tywin eventually used to leverage Robb. The only other time we hear of someone talking to Ned about Ashara is when Cat said Ned told her “to never ask about Jon’s mother”. Hmm…. Anyway, Ned is traveling north with a strange woman. Now we’re supposed to assume Ned went from shy Ned who couldn’t dance with Ashara, to 2 potential love interests in a year? Hard to believe. While they’re heading north, Brandon is killed and now Ned fulfilling the marriage vow with Riverrun is the only thing keeping Robert’s alliance alive. Ned probably would’ve tried to calm Robert down if his father and brother weren’t murdered, but now he’s lord, and retribution is expected, so now Ned has to make the toughest choice of his life - Dishonor his still secret wife, or abandon the alliance. Well, Ned says he dishonored the vow between gods and men, which could really only be a marriage vow, as it is sworn before gods and men. Having a bastard is not. I know, super tinfoilly, but it’s makes for a cooler story than “chosen hero blah blah blah” arc for Jon. Him being a Targ goes nowhere. His path is to fight the ancient fight for the dawn, which both the Starks and Daynes did. He never has a dragon dream, always Stark crypts. No dragon references. And why continue to bring up Ashara. Why a red herring? Why do we get a story that involves her in each book? Multiple mentions in Dance. I think the obvious story could be the true one. Rhaegar and Lyanna became really popular over the years, and now it is assumed fact, but really, I believe there is little text evidence to actually support it. Anyway, hope this entertained someone lol.
Didn't GRRM only let D&D run the show based on if they guessed Jon's parents correctly though? I think that was his condition for that, and in the show R+L=J is true so I'd guess it's true in the books as well. Hopefully I'm remembering correctly
@@mistrkill I believe it’s true but it’s still ambiguous. He still hasn’t said yes when asked, even after the show. And his wife laughed at the idea.. so I dunno.
"I believe there is little text evidence to actually support it."
That's because you're overfocused on N+A=J that you ignore the evidence for R+L. First piece of evidence is in the first book, where it says of Jon's resemblance to Ned "whoever Jon Snow's mother was, she had left nothing of herself in him." We can take this as dramatic irony because Jon doesn't look like Ned, he looks like his mother Lyanna. Then there's Daenerys' vision in the House of the Undying of a winter rose growing in a chink in a wall of ice. Which is clearly Jon, Lyanna's child (winter roses being Lyanna's favourite flower, and her crown as the Queen of Love and Beauty) growing up at the Wall. There's no real explanation for that vision otherwise.
@@bookswithike3256 true. But I don’t ignore evidence for R+L, I just don’t think that potential dramatic irony and that one vision that could mean a lot of things are enough “evidence” to hold the water for that argument. I don’t care either way, I just think there’s enough evidence for a conversation…
@@bookswithike3256 Could the winter rose be referring to Dany herself, in that she needs to go to the Wall and that's where she will grow on her path to rule Westeros. That's where here road begins. All the references to the winter rose are women in both Lyanna and the Bael the Bard story. It doesn't really make sense for Jon to be symbolically referenced through his mother. The winter rose more closely represents a kidnapped Northern Princess. Maybe Dany was kidnapped from Ned and that's why he feels like he failed Lyanna. He may have no idea that she was used to replace a Dany who died at some earlier point. Or maybe she is going to be kidnapped by Jon Snow.
Or maybe it references both of them and George wants to pull some Luke and Leia type stuff. I hope it's more than just R+L=J.
Edit: In fact, I think R+L=JDA. Aegon is real. Jon is likely the oldest, Dany second, and Aegon third.
I know I'm late but there absolutely is a audio error going though out the video. If I had to guess your mic is picking up your powersupply or its your mains power current. I hear it in my headphones and I can test on another set but I recognize the sound in line with mics picking up electronics. Microwaves sometimes cause it tbf to chat.
I know this is old, but there is a beeping sound throughout the video lol. You weren't being gaslit
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that George RR Martin actually wrote the Pink Letter, but I might be wrong. Could've been one of his editors or something...
I do hear a wavering EEeeEEeeEEeeEEeeEEeeEEee sound
YESS
Just to comment on one of your arguments about R+L=J/D (agreeing with you): Ned has the the Tower of Joy dream during the Assassinate Daenerys debacle not because it's a 1:1 correlation, but because Robert wants to kill all the Targaryen's (no matter the age) and if Jon's father is Rhaegar then, he's a Targaryen. He dreams it because he wants to protect Jon, specifically from the likes of Robert.
I was thinking of buying all the books for my bf and also reading them myself. Tho I’ve spoiled myself a lot, not from the good read tho I know that. But question, have u read the latest book? Is Jon Snow still dead canon? Just wondering, it’s off topic
@@sambun6394 Old comment, but Jon is still dead.
There is definitely some weird background noise/buzzing. Unless this is just showing who has tinnitus
I most definitely have tinnitus but the noise you're hearing is a faulty cable running into my interface.
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1:50:18 - LMAO, Glidus roasting another Order of the Green Hand classic. XD It's like whenever one of their favorite theories gets covered here, Glidus just roasts it, and I love it so much. XD
skip ahead 10 mins? no i'm here for faff
Robert Baratheon is a secret Targaryen
The theory of the beep in the background is facts.... it must be close to the mic, but far enough for him not to hear it. Might be too close to the screen.
Lemon trees can grow most places that stay warm enough for them. Smdh
Holy Gail line about fruits and birds not being strangers to our land ext ext
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Golan & Globus together again ❤️
Couldn’t *Daenerys* be the Blackfyre? Unbeknownst to herself?
Pog
elissa farman is quaithe
Hot Pie send the Pink Letter
Is this an old stream or a new one?
Coldhands = Night's King has been outright refuted by George.
At 58:before10 there totally is super faint beeping
Everyone is a secret Targaryen.conspiracy
How did nobody suggest alister wrote the pink letter?
Is there at least one person named Brandon in every generation of Starks?
Nope. But it is basically the Stark equivelent to the name Aegon where there are a lot more of those than others. Historically, there are Rickons, Benjens, etc. but these are few and far between, while Brandon is a lot more reacurring.
I think that theory at 1:17:00 or whatever has a bit more credence after hotd
Not gunna lie, Varys being a woman is an interesting concept - just not as YG's mother. I do have one doubt, though - Varys convinces Ned that he's a burly guard in the dungeon in A Game of Thrones until revealing himself. Admittedly putting on a deeper voice isn't that difficult, especially short term with someone who's been isolated for a while in the dark (and someone who expects to see male guards). I might even go as far to suggest Varys is trans male or intersex, though there's no evidence for this since we know eunuchs are common in Essos so that story isn't hard to believe. Still, its an interesting idea that might pan out.
I'm still in the camp that YG is the son of Illyiro and Serra Blackfyre.
Wouldn't "A horse is Drogo" be more acurate than "Drogo is a horse", if the a horse's soul gets bound into the man's body?