You're voice is so Finnish. It's like you sing one of those Harkkonnen war songs at the same tim as you are speaking. also nice video, i've been watching you play on the bold men's channels (the french one and the american one) for years now
@JaapaasaSD2 It did surprise me how "high" you rated the Abbot, thought I agree with you on that. It is a super fun unicorn tank, for 35 points it can be efficient.
Churchill IV has no HE (except Soviet version) and Churchill VI has HE. Regardless, the Churchill IV will frequently beat Stug once in range due to high rof. In my mind they are both B because they offer differ things but are hard to use well. Churchill VII is A because it is a good distraction and take slots of hits. Jag IV is S tier and always has been. Matilda II is A tier too. It is just so cost effective ... once it gets to frontline. The same is true of Valentine III recon tank. The lack of speed is balanced by the extremely low cost. They nearly always trade up.
I kind of disagree with you on the Jumbo: It almost seems like a no-brainer to take which is a sign of an S-Tier unit. You basically have a tank just for the armor and can mix and match it with a 2k AP unit like a Firefly for a stand-in superheavy. If you don't need the armor or the gun you can skip that asset and save points. Thanks for the round-up, thoroughly enjoyed it.
My Quibbles: (for that sweet, sweet algorithm engagement) * DDSherman - losing the MG and slower speed hurt. Still take them because they are so cheap, but its definitely not in the same class as a regular Sherman imo. * Sherman Recce is missing. Would be near the top of S. * American Stuarts are definitely better than the Soviet and Commonwealth ones. They get the 3rd AA MG, while everyone else has 2. Except that one CW Stuart that gets a 50cal. * Jagdpanzer IVs I like a lot better against Allies than Axis. Axis Mediums are way less impressed with its armor. Probably doesn't make A for me. * Don't get the Hype on the SU-76I. I'd take a 2nd card of SU-76s in its place if 7th Mech had them. * T-34-85 has the speed, turret rotation, and MGs to brawl. Firefly honestly doesn't impress me that much compared to its IRL reputation. Don't trust it against a Panther, and the bad turret rotation and speed really hurt it sometimes. * The T-34-85(43) variant having only 1 MG really holds it back imo. Looks like it should be the Soviet 76 Sherman, but in practice plays more like the weaker Jagdpanzer A-) with a Turret.. * T-34E is a unicorn unit and just straight up undercosted. Its been hinted that the other T-34s are being brought in line with it price wise next patch. * I have no idea why its so hard to get Strike Team to give the Tiger E an HE buff. At least it would have a niche compared to the Panther. * Didn't see the Soviet T-70s, just the Polish ones. Soviet ones are way better imo. Not as much suppression and more expensive than as a Stuart, but notably (15mm) tougher, higher RoF with more HE damage on the gun, and the APCR lets it get away with a lot of shenanigans.
Thanks for the feedback and clarifying many things I was wondering! A lot of information here, stuff which I missed or didn't even know. Some notes: Forgot that DD has less mg's. Honestly not the biggest deal as the 50cal is the most important tool, but I agree with your reasoning. No Recce Sherman, because this tier list features only tank tab units. At 1750 jgpanzer can be tough nut to crack for pz4 and stugs, even pak40 may bounce few times. But yes, better against allies. For Firefly, the price is the main selling point. Carrying a mobile 17pndr for 110 is pretty cheap. While Firefly vs Panther may not be straight 50/50, it's still pretty close compared to T-34-85 Su76I is just hyper cost-efficient. Regular su76 is better, but it can be harder to fit in the AT tab. Had no idea about the difference in T-70s!
Because only Polish division has standard T-70s, Soviet ones have Komroti and Razvedka variants, which have ACPR. These have APCR in Polish division too, just that they also get a large card of standard ones without APCR But yes, it's a great tank, way overperforming compared to what it was IRL;) always worth taking
Soviet Churchill 4 is at least one tier worse than CMW because it lost the APCR and got useless HE shells instead. The difference in having the apcr and not having it is a difference whether you can engage jagdpanzer4, panther and tiger at close ranges and not having that ability
M10 is top S tier. It is so cheap. It can brawl in cities with its 50 cal. It can shoot at long range (and will win against pz4 because it is open top which means more accuracy and RoF). It probably goes just after the sherman 76. I feel like half of the tanks should be higher (IS2, fireflies, t34, T26, jumbo, SU76I, stuart, .....) but that doesn't make much sense haha.
Interesting! Yeah I think you are right about the M10. I was thinking too much about the most visible raw stats and not enough the actual in game performance. I would value Turan 2 and maybe Zrinyi 2 over it though. Regarding the general list I'm kinda glad to hear that, because at the end I was bit worried that I had placed the allied tanks too high compared to the axis😄
@JaapaasaSD2 For me, the M10 tank version (the one featured here) is completely overpowered and better than almost anything. It will still be amazing when it gets its 5pts nerf. Idk if it is below or higher than the sherman 76 tbh. The sherman 76 pays 20pts more to get 15mm of armor and the stabilizer but loses the open top (2 RoF, 5% accuracy and better optics). Allied tanks are just better than axis tanks overall. The main issues being pz4 and stug4 that are not addapted to the current meta. Also, the allies heavies (firefly and IS2) counter the german heavies and the t34 85 is amazing against allied medium armor
@@mimile4462 I can see your point. It's certainly very strong, probably high tier even after the nerf. Not sure how well the patch will address the latter issue either, but it seems to be a step towards the right direction.
@@mimile4462 You mean the meta where everyone picks haroshaje, tsel, orshas and two slutsk variations with the hill? Instead of maps where axis tanks are better - 3rd slutsk, bobr, siano, sieldice, ilomantsi, tali inhantala? Stug3 has like 60% or more chance to win a tank engagement at any range vs any cheap allied medium. It can trade up with more expensive allied mediums - T-34-85s, firefly, it can pen panther at very close range, a luxury allied mediums dont have. Panzer3s with 5cm are S tier Even the mediocre panzer4 can snipe at long ranges, trade up with T-34-85s at mid-close range, having the same gun as the alleged S tier M10...Btw, loving the idea of next patch where panzer4h with turret the turns twice as fast and with 12k double mg ammo and double the amount of HE shells will cost the same as m10... Is2, even though it is a hard counter to panthers and tigers at max range, its accuracy and rof is so awful, that a panther can fast move into the range that it can pen IS2 (43) while is2 is missing and reloading...
The best evidence of how underpowered Tigers and Panthers are in this game is that they suck the same no matter if playing in axis or allied division. Meanwhile allied captured tanks in German divisions are usually stars of entire division and most effective units lol
Sherman III and M4A2 are exactly the same tank:) Brits/Commonwealth just used numbers instead of A-variants Sherman I = M4 Sherman II = M4A1 Sherman III = M4A2 Sherman IV = M4A3 (not used by CW) Sherman V = M4A4
You're voice is so Finnish. It's like you sing one of those Harkkonnen war songs at the same tim as you are speaking.
also nice video, i've been watching you play on the bold men's channels (the french one and the american one) for years now
BALD not bold
Hahhah yeah Finnish accent is pretty unique and easy to identify. Thanks for watching!
I have been waiting for this! Kiitos :)
Great! Any surprises or disagreements? Ole hyvä :)
@JaapaasaSD2 It did surprise me how "high" you rated the Abbot, thought I agree with you on that. It is a super fun unicorn tank, for 35 points it can be efficient.
@@Naapurinkalastamakala Yeah I see it as a meme for the opener but also can be pretty efficient for longer if one manages to keep it alive.
Churchill IV has no HE (except Soviet version) and Churchill VI has HE. Regardless, the Churchill IV will frequently beat Stug once in range due to high rof. In my mind they are both B because they offer differ things but are hard to use well. Churchill VII is A because it is a good distraction and take slots of hits.
Jag IV is S tier and always has been.
Matilda II is A tier too. It is just so cost effective ... once it gets to frontline. The same is true of Valentine III recon tank. The lack of speed is balanced by the extremely low cost. They nearly always trade up.
I kind of disagree with you on the Jumbo: It almost seems like a no-brainer to take which is a sign of an S-Tier unit.
You basically have a tank just for the armor and can mix and match it with a 2k AP unit like a Firefly for a stand-in superheavy. If you don't need the armor or the gun you can skip that asset and save points.
Thanks for the round-up, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Yeah I could certainly see that. I guess I haven't been bullied enough by it😄 Glad you enjoyed the list!
My Quibbles: (for that sweet, sweet algorithm engagement)
* DDSherman - losing the MG and slower speed hurt. Still take them because they are so cheap, but its definitely not in the same class as a regular Sherman imo.
* Sherman Recce is missing. Would be near the top of S.
* American Stuarts are definitely better than the Soviet and Commonwealth ones. They get the 3rd AA MG, while everyone else has 2. Except that one CW Stuart that gets a 50cal.
* Jagdpanzer IVs I like a lot better against Allies than Axis. Axis Mediums are way less impressed with its armor. Probably doesn't make A for me.
* Don't get the Hype on the SU-76I. I'd take a 2nd card of SU-76s in its place if 7th Mech had them.
* T-34-85 has the speed, turret rotation, and MGs to brawl. Firefly honestly doesn't impress me that much compared to its IRL reputation. Don't trust it against a Panther, and the bad turret rotation and speed really hurt it sometimes.
* The T-34-85(43) variant having only 1 MG really holds it back imo. Looks like it should be the Soviet 76 Sherman, but in practice plays more like the weaker Jagdpanzer A-) with a Turret..
* T-34E is a unicorn unit and just straight up undercosted. Its been hinted that the other T-34s are being brought in line with it price wise next patch.
* I have no idea why its so hard to get Strike Team to give the Tiger E an HE buff. At least it would have a niche compared to the Panther.
* Didn't see the Soviet T-70s, just the Polish ones. Soviet ones are way better imo. Not as much suppression and more expensive than as a Stuart, but notably (15mm) tougher, higher RoF with more HE damage on the gun, and the APCR lets it get away with a lot of shenanigans.
Thanks for the feedback and clarifying many things I was wondering! A lot of information here, stuff which I missed or didn't even know.
Some notes:
Forgot that DD has less mg's. Honestly not the biggest deal as the 50cal is the most important tool, but I agree with your reasoning.
No Recce Sherman, because this tier list features only tank tab units.
At 1750 jgpanzer can be tough nut to crack for pz4 and stugs, even pak40 may bounce few times. But yes, better against allies.
For Firefly, the price is the main selling point. Carrying a mobile 17pndr for 110 is pretty cheap. While Firefly vs Panther may not be straight 50/50, it's still pretty close compared to T-34-85
Su76I is just hyper cost-efficient. Regular su76 is better, but it can be harder to fit in the AT tab.
Had no idea about the difference in T-70s!
Because only Polish division has standard T-70s, Soviet ones have Komroti and Razvedka variants, which have ACPR. These have APCR in Polish division too, just that they also get a large card of standard ones without APCR
But yes, it's a great tank, way overperforming compared to what it was IRL;) always worth taking
Soviet Churchill 4 is at least one tier worse than CMW because it lost the APCR and got useless HE shells instead. The difference in having the apcr and not having it is a difference whether you can engage jagdpanzer4, panther and tiger at close ranges and not having that ability
M10 is top S tier. It is so cheap. It can brawl in cities with its 50 cal. It can shoot at long range (and will win against pz4 because it is open top which means more accuracy and RoF). It probably goes just after the sherman 76.
I feel like half of the tanks should be higher (IS2, fireflies, t34, T26, jumbo, SU76I, stuart, .....) but that doesn't make much sense haha.
Interesting! Yeah I think you are right about the M10. I was thinking too much about the most visible raw stats and not enough the actual in game performance. I would value Turan 2 and maybe Zrinyi 2 over it though.
Regarding the general list I'm kinda glad to hear that, because at the end I was bit worried that I had placed the allied tanks too high compared to the axis😄
@JaapaasaSD2 For me, the M10 tank version (the one featured here) is completely overpowered and better than almost anything. It will still be amazing when it gets its 5pts nerf. Idk if it is below or higher than the sherman 76 tbh.
The sherman 76 pays 20pts more to get 15mm of armor and the stabilizer but loses the open top (2 RoF, 5% accuracy and better optics).
Allied tanks are just better than axis tanks overall. The main issues being pz4 and stug4 that are not addapted to the current meta. Also, the allies heavies (firefly and IS2) counter the german heavies and the t34 85 is amazing against allied medium armor
@@mimile4462 I can see your point. It's certainly very strong, probably high tier even after the nerf.
Not sure how well the patch will address the latter issue either, but it seems to be a step towards the right direction.
@JaapaasaSD2 Yeah the patch seems like an improvement. Not sure if it will be enough but we will see.
@@mimile4462 You mean the meta where everyone picks haroshaje, tsel, orshas and two slutsk variations with the hill? Instead of maps where axis tanks are better - 3rd slutsk, bobr, siano, sieldice, ilomantsi, tali inhantala?
Stug3 has like 60% or more chance to win a tank engagement at any range vs any cheap allied medium. It can trade up with more expensive allied mediums - T-34-85s, firefly, it can pen panther at very close range, a luxury allied mediums dont have.
Panzer3s with 5cm are S tier
Even the mediocre panzer4 can snipe at long ranges, trade up with T-34-85s at mid-close range, having the same gun as the alleged S tier M10...Btw, loving the idea of next patch where panzer4h with turret the turns twice as fast and with 12k double mg ammo and double the amount of HE shells will cost the same as m10...
Is2, even though it is a hard counter to panthers and tigers at max range, its accuracy and rof is so awful, that a panther can fast move into the range that it can pen IS2 (43) while is2 is missing and reloading...
The best evidence of how underpowered Tigers and Panthers are in this game is that they suck the same no matter if playing in axis or allied division. Meanwhile allied captured tanks in German divisions are usually stars of entire division and most effective units lol
Yeah I agree. It's a tricky thing, not sure how it could be changed when the 1500m mediums are generally the best
Sherman III and M4A2 are exactly the same tank:) Brits/Commonwealth just used numbers instead of A-variants
Sherman I = M4
Sherman II = M4A1
Sherman III = M4A2
Sherman IV = M4A3 (not used by CW)
Sherman V = M4A4
Thanks! I really don't know my Shermans XD