Panasonic 12mm f1.4 vs 12-35mm vs 12-60 vs 8-18mm @ 12mm on the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4k
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- For the longest time I have wanted to test out and compare the Panasonic Leica 12mm f1.4 against the Panasonic Lumix 12-35mm f2.8, the Panasonic Leica 12-60mm f2.8 and Panasonic Leica 8-18mm f2.8-4.0 at 12mm. In this video I do that!
I test the different lenses at 12mm and see how they compare and if there it is a good idea to get the dedicated 12mm lens over the zooms.
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Would love to know which focal length you guys use the most!
between 28 and 85
12mm is my favorite focal length.
In good light situations, I usually use the 12-60 to have more options but in buildings, low light or if I want the DOF the 12mm comes into action. It's of course a good thing, that the filter thread is 62mm on both lenses. If it need to be realy wide, I have the laowa 7.5mm and in cases where I might need something longer, I add the 35-100mm/2.8 or the 100-300mm. All together still not that much of equipment.
@@Ulrich.Bierwisch Im a fan on having to many options so your setup seems stellar!
Arber Baqaj for me I was looking to the 12-35 f/2.8 for a starting lens (since I don’t have lens for my bmpcc4k I received it yesterday by the way ) but for me the deal breaker is the distortion that all the lenses you show on this video at 12 it s very noticeable. So I am still searching lenses for my bmpcc4k
@@jorgemonteiro5379 Hi there! I understand but to be honest you will have a hard time finding a wide-angle lens without distortion. =( have a great day!
Thank you for the photos and comments. Currently I only have the G9 + PL 42.5. Great photos but now debating on 12 vs 15mm PL primes for product photos. It does look like the 12 is a better lens for colors.
While not 12mm, the Leica 15mm, f1.7 is a nice alternative and is relatively light. I've found it quite useful, and I think it is a bit lower priced than the 12mm, f1.4.
Great comparison. What surprised me the most was the difference in colour rendition.
naalsoegat to be honest, that can also be the difference in nd strength, I was not able to get it close enough :(
I think its just heavier nd filtration skewing the colors. id have probably chosen to use one specific nd strength and played with the shutter speed to get a more accurate comparison between them all
@@animusvisual you are totally right!
@@ArberBaqaj good comparison between them all though, saw some fov changes between each at 12mm which was interesting.
I prefer the more contrasty look of the 12-60 to the others even if it cant give you the same subject seperation as the 12mm f1.4, for me I norm prefer a degree of detail in the background anyway. Thanks for sharing, Rich.
Based on your pics/video, the 8-18 was crisper in each photo with exception of the Lock, up close! The 12 rendered a much better bokeh at the fountain, no doubt
But as far as shooting landscape stills, I think it would a toss-up between the 8-18 and the 12...based on looking at your test subject through youtube!
I recently picked up a used Panasonic Leica 12mm 1.4 …and I love it. My two best lenses are the 12.. 1.4 and the Olympus 25mm 1.2
Holy smokes you're a madman holding those so close to the water man dude haha! Liked the test!
Ha ha ha! Before I got fat I used to be a good swimmer =) Thanx and have a great weekend!
@@ArberBaqaj You too!
I know this video is a little bit old now but you were the deciding factor for pulling the trigger on the 12mm f1.4. I appreciate your video and I love your city. Malmo is such a nice place. Great images and all the best :)
8-18 looking the best of the bunch IMO, with the 12-60 coming in 2nd......wish it had a fixed aperture though
12-60 seemed to give more blue tones over the straight 12.
great comparison. Thanks
thanx a lot =) have a great day!
Love the bokeh/ blur of the lumix 12-35 compared to all the lenses. I personally own that lens for my Bmpcc4k and it’s clean 👌🏻 great content
Richard Copier it is a great option!
@@ArberBaqaj As owner of both lenses, I can say that the real sweet spot of the 12-35 is actually at 35mm, wide open at 2.8. The DOF and bokeh is gorgeous. 12-60 at 35mm is f4 minimum, and not nearly as pleasing as the 12-35. At 12mm, they are basically exactly the same.
@@sthubbins4038 Yeah I use my 12-35 at 35mm most of the time for interviews, gets a surprising amount of background blur!
Thanks Arber! I have been thinking now for a while that this might be the best performing wide angle lens for low light use. It was so great to see that you gave us a performance review and some samples and comparisons. I am filming cars at a drag strip race track (and while they are parked and being worked on) and I purchased the Laowa 7.5mm F2, but 12 mm seems to be just wide enough in the tight spaces for what I am doing too. I have the 12-60 f 3.5 kit lens which in all honesty is fine for day use in the sun, but for night time with a Gh5 it is not bright enough. The Laowa 7.5 at f/2 is barely enough to work with at night with a gh5 so I have had my eyes on this f1.4 12mm Panasonic leica lens. Thanks again, for allllll your micro 4/3ds videos! Have a good one Arber !
If anyone is bored enough to see my 1st day at the track shot on a gx85 with kit lens, search for "Team Toaster at Vegas" here on youtube. Cheers everyone!
I was praying for your lenses on you intro. I feared for them falling into the river !
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking -- oh boy, there goes an expensive piece of gear!
The 12mm f1.4 is the next lens on my list.
If you want a Macro lens then you should look at the Leica DG Macro -Elmarit f2.8 45mm which also works for Portraiture.
You won't be disappointed I can say! Ive thought about the Macro but I feel with the lens lineup I already use that I don't need to come closer =)
Arber Baqaj I bought the 45mm Macro a few years ago as it was considered a good macro and a pretty good portrait lens too.
My DG Summilux f1.7 15mm is my current favourite but something wider and brighter would help when I am using the GH5 & Moza Air Cross in a Gymnasium or Dance Studio.
@@colinthecameraguy My biggest problem with the Leica 15mm 1.7 was the distortion, especially on faces fairly close to the lens. Of course, this is a problem with any Micro 4/3 lens, as they were designed to be automatically corrected. Using EF lenses with a Speedbooster makes distortion WAY less, as it's only using the center of the lens, and those lenses were not built to be "corrected", they have to look good right out of the camera. However, they are heavy and expensive...
as a beginner video content creator the only thing i don't like about the 12mm f1.4 is the price :(
=) Im with you on that one, the price is truly awful! =)
Regards från Strängnäs!
Hi Arber!
I am in a real quandary about deciding between the GH5 and the GH5S model.
I have rented the GH5 but have been unable to try the S model.
I really like the Leica 8-18 lens and while it has only happened once or twice, I have seen that jello effect in the corners that you have previously mentioned.
Knowing that the GH5S has no stabilisation, I was thinking that I could just get away with holding the camera still and using the 4K Live Crop to get pan shots or zooms with the 8 to 18.
I have also used the Leica 12-60, f 2.8 lens as a possible "all purpose" lens. I feel as though the 8-18mm is very good for filming in small rooms.
Have you used the GH5S with a lens such as the 12-60 or even the 12-35 since both of them have OIS?
Would they be enough for handheld filming when I am standing still filming for travel videos and liknande?
What do you think? What has been your experience with using the GH5S model with a stabilised lens? Is it enough?
I'm much farther North than you are in Malmö, but we both know how DARK it gets here in the winter.
I'd love to see a video of you doing hand held filming with the S model and only an OIS Leica lens, no gimbal, and see what you come up with.
So, the final question would be:
GH5, GH5S or wait for the GH6, but who knows when that will get here and what it will cost?!
Tjena! Jag har faktiskt inte tillgång till S modellen längre, men så länge du håller dig till vidvinkelobjektiv så skall det vara ok, det är ganska många som vloggar med kameror som saknar IBIS men att de kör med en ultravidvinkel zoom, jag tror att 8-18 tillsammans med GH5S bör vara en bra kombo. Sen tror jag att GH5s är så pass bra i lågt ljus att du kan komma undan även i norra Sverige. Hoppas du har en bra dag!
Hi Arber, I wish you had used the GH5 for this test. :)
Great video Thanks, Got a couple of questions:
1- what do you think of the sigma 18-35 continuous focus lens for the bmdp4k?
2- The 7artisians lens are dirt cheap, have you tried them?
Videomedia Television hi there! Thanx! The Sigma is great and very sharp. It’s very well paired with the Pocket 4K. The only negative is probably the size. I haven’t tried 7 artisans. I’m gonna try to get my hands on a lens to review. Have a great day!
In a couple on months, Panasonic will bring the new 10-35 parafocal Leica lens and by the specs, it should be awesome. hope you will review and compare with the Sigma 18-35 1.8.
Im really looking forward to that lens! And yes there will be a comparison! Have a great evening!
Hy Arber Bagaj
Am an absolute fan of your channel and a fan of your content.
Great respect to you and your work ...
I'm looking for a lens that is perfect for filming and it should be a Leica lens ..
Do you have any recommendations for me?
I think the 12mm 1.2 is very, very strong and convinces me.
But I also need more focal lengths for filming
What do you think of Panasonic Leica 10-25mm
I know it is very expensive can you recommend it is it better than the 12mm 1.2?
Do you have any other recommendation?
I would be happy to hear from you.
Best Regards From Vienna Austria..
Great video! Thank you so much for comparing!
I am proud to make it within the 100 first comments here 🛎. With my recently introduced channel, I "owe" this comment to the author of now almost 3-year old content. But this is my second-ever comment on any video, so let it go 800 km over to Malmö.
-I have seen almost all available reviews and comparisons of most these lenses in recent years. While this presentation is an obvious case for the 12mm f1.4 prime, the comparison itself has made me purchase PL8-18 in the past. Is there no better video comparison on the subject on this platform? No, probably there is. But one lens quality aspect which is clearly obvious in these examples - and is perhaps least tackled generally by the most reviewers - is the *color rendition* and the *character* of a lens. I find 8-18 superior in this respect. Also it seems to have the highest so-called micro-contrast. Just look at the fence of that white bridge.
What strikes me here too is that all examples done by 12-35 look a bit more exposed (with presumably the same in-camera exposure settings for all the lenses tested). The 12-35 has a warmer, less contrasty character, perhaps more "cinematic" for some, while the PL12-60 is cooler and more clinical like the 8-18 and the 12 f1.4 featured here. Why comment on a 3-year-old video? Well, unlike camera bodies, the lenses are here to stay for much longer. Secondly, let's face it, the current economic crisis will not end tomorrow. Last but not least, most of these lenses are good enough anyway, the weakest link of today's content being not the technical quality but the meaningful idea and subject elaboration.
This video is a very pleasant stuff to follow, spontaneous, varied and natural, while informative. There isn't one single word too many, which is a common downside of many creators on this platform. I have to see some more recent ones of this author to see how he progresses. ⛵
What a great comment! you are so right in what you wright =) thanx for one of the most beautful coments Ive gotten , huge thanx! Best wishes!
A big problem with the 12-60 in the BMPCC 4K is the distortion. The GH5 has software correction of this distortion, but the Blackmagic hasn´t, and it is very evident in the near subjects, as buildings. The 8-18 has less distortion, I think.
Should of done some low light, night shot comparisons too, otherwise thanks for the comparison.
Thanx for the feedback! I will have in thought in the future! Best wishes!
I shoot mostly outdoors so I like wide! I'm with you Arger, the 12mm f1.4 is a great lens... but is it worth the price point is the main question. I guess if I had all the lenses that you have herein or the not yet released 10-25 f1.7, and money wasn't an issue, the answer would be YES! However, for the extra stop or 2 of light, I don't see it. I own a Rokinon 7.5 cine T2.2, small & light, great colour, which is very good at its price point, and the 14-140 f3.5 and a 40 -150 f2.8. I am looking for a third option!! Most of all for a wide angle I think a 10 to 12mm prime would be a better choice! Possibly the Voigtlander Nokton 10.5mm f/0.95 Lens. Built like a tank, easy focusing, minimal distortion, sharp, creamy bokeh, while never have to worry about low light or night shoots again.
Thanx for a great comment! You seem to have a great setup! Im with you on that! It is a specialty lens and with that price tag it is not for everybody. However I love the image from it =) Im really looking forward to seeing how the upcoming 10-25 stacks upp to it =). Have a great weekend!
Not every photographer requires subject isolation. M4/3 big advantage is small size. When you ask Boca of the system, you need the big, heavy (and expensive) primes. So now your using a bigger, more expensive rig. M4/3 essentially punches above its weight class. The GX9 with the 12-32 collapsing pancake lens, IMHO, plays to M4/3rds strengths. Quite small and affordable.
How come the WB is shifting so much between shots? Is it lens dependent or did you not lock the WB?
I am thinking of buying the “Blackmagic pocket 4k” camera, with the “Lumix 12-35 F2.8 II” lens, but this lens is not parafocal.
Can you answer the next question?
Imagine that (without recording) I put the focal point “tele” -35mm and focus on a subject, and then I zoom in to the “wide” -12 mm position.
Now I press the record button and I move the zoom smoothly until I reach the “tele” position -35 mm, and stop recording.
The clip I have recorded would show a distant subject that is gradually approaching until it reaches the maximum approach.
Would the shot be focused from beginning to end?
Best regards
long time past but its actually called parfocal and from what I've read most consumer level lenses (which this is) are not parfocal nowadays. I'm sure you've had plenty of time to research that but yeah
you have used different lenses, the same mm and different apertures, why you haven't set the same apertures? for example f3.5 or f2.8.
Still new to photography, but for zoom lenses, don't they have fixed apertures per each zoom? Like doesnt it limit you to the amount of aperture you can go?
@@mustbescud I honestly cannot explain the full physics, but in general, the issue is that having both a wide aperture at the wide end and at the end of the zoom range of a lens is engineeringly challenging. It is more expensive. Therefore, to save money, engineers let the aperture shrink to a smaller opening as the lens is zoomed in. Otherwise the overall size and cost would be bigger.
could you use the 12mm f1.4 for astrophotography?
I have the 25mm lens for the gh5 and i'm looking for my nest lens. What would you suggest?
With the panasonic 12-35 at bmpcc 4k i have noticed that parallel lines are not parallel. Have you noticed that too? Would the problem disappear with a speedbuster? Do you correct it in davinci studio? Anyone here who can help? :-)
Sorry if someone else asked this but what ND filter do you recommend for the 12mm
Good question, If you hade the patience I would recommend using Nd64 filters from B&W
Nicely presented test of these lenses. Thank you. Would be interesting to see how the cheap 12-32mm f3.5-5.6 would done in this environmet. There is one misconception in your statements. More Bokeh is not automatically better. It’s about the quality of the Bokeh and that is off course very subjective. Also, in landscape shots I usually don’t want any Bokeh.
Would have loved to see all of them at f4, not just the 12mm.
I did the test, dumb of me not to include it in the video, next time I will, thanx for the feedback!
At the moment I'm using Samyang / Rokinon primes (8mm 3.5, 10mm 2.0 , 16mm 2.0 and 35mm 1.4 85mm 1.4) and a Voigtlander 25mm 0.95. Finding a great lens for interviews using the BMPCC and now BMPCC4K has been a quest for me. I think the Voigtlander and the 16mm Rokinon are clear winners, but I'm tempted to go Leica zooms for several reasons (stabilisation, linked with owning a G9 as well for handheld) and the covering everything in 2 or 3 lenses (8-18, 12-35, 35-100). Imagine having the BMPCC4k and G9 and only 3 lenses between the 2... just sounds like a much more sensible option. But, then, cinematic prime lenses do give more care in front of the client... decision decisions!
True that! =) its hard to decide! Having to many options is not always a good thing. Im looking at the upcoming 10-25 to se how many if any lenses it can replace. Have a great day!
Thanks
Does the Panasonic lens with the BM4K works with the Autofocus?
Thanks for the great informative video
Great video, thanks. For me.....16mm Meike all day.
Thanx fam! I really love the Meike Cine lenses!
PL 10-25 f/1.7 will rule them all.
Hopefully! Im really looking forward to using it!
Can somebody tell me whether is it difficult to remove lens distortion during postproduction. I know how to do it lightroom, in stills mode. But what about Final Cut or Premiere in video mode?
From what I've heard it's pretty easy fixing distortion on a prime lens but zoom lenses are a much harder task
Good test.. But the 12/1.4 shot of the padlock shows a lot of Chromatic aberration on the r/h/ side the gate), yet the 12-35 looks cleaner :-) (?)
That is a downside of shooting wide open on the 12mm =( When you stop it down to f2 its mostly gone, its good to know so you know when and on what subjects to use it at f1.4, great comment!
Waiting for the Meike 12mm next month
Same here! I really like the Meikes!
Arber Baqaj .... would be interesting to compare with the lumix 12mm
@ 12 mm, the distortion on 12-35, 12-60, even 12 mm 1.4 is striking. You can't make these lenses general purpose lenses @ this focal.
They should only be considered for some shots where you only care about image center.
The 8-18 shows much better quality (except background bokhe which is average) but you loose the 1.4 effect. So having both fixed & -8-18 zoom could help. Not a single one gives enough.
The 12-60 looks like junk here @ 2.8. Surprising.
Great work, did this all lenes work with auto focus...
from what ive seen the look of the 12mm seems to be pretty interesting idk how to explain it but almost every time i see someone using it especially in a situation recording themselves it looks super cool
Your vignettes were strong throughput the video.
Only on 100% cropped we can compare these pictures...:(
I'm so tempted to get 12mm/F1.4. At low light faster aperture would be so much greater than the 8-18 I have. Sure, it has OIS but it helps only if subjects are not moving.
12mm/F1.4 would be more compact than my Sigma 18-35 F1.8 that I find a bit bulky sometimes. Sigma is too bulky for my small gimbal for taking video too. (And with my metabones 12mm would be a bit wider too I think)
What s your gimball ?
@@romainprovost7164 I have an old Feiyu gimbal. Any low mass device should do fine with GH5.
wish you had the 10/25!
12-60's f2.8 looks more bokehlicious than 12-35's
I can't even look. He's waving the lenses over the river......:-) I'll get the 12mm 1.4.
Haha you think 86 is hot!
Panasonic lenses are meh. Olympus is MUCH better
Leica is as good as Olympus
My first impression is the prime is superior
Great to hear!