I feel that PRX has a pretty enormous attachment to the personality of their players. PRX became famous for W-gaming, and it's crazy fame won't last without it. It behooves PRX as an org to keep this team and style, after all, they were #1 in bundle sales because of it.
@wonyo2563 they got APAC trophy But you forget that esport is business driven entertainment, this is how they create value proposition different from other
I think Paper Rex’s time to actually win an international tournament with the same roster is shrinking every year. This year alone, we saw numerous Pacific teams really step up and improve. I know GenG is the most famous example but DRX made roster moves mid season and managed to be the best performing Pacific team at champs, and now we’re seeing more roster moves made by T1, GE, GenG again, and now with both Sin Prisa Gaming and Boom Esports both joining the Pacific league, it’s going to be even more competitive and ruthless within the Pacific region itself. Obviously having stronger and better opponents as your regional competition will make for better practice and prep for teams at the international stage, but it also means that Paper Rex (assuming they continue this downward slope) will soon not even be making it to international tournaments at all, which will be insane considering they’ve made it to every international since 2022. I think the team struggles a lot with team coordination, big maps and being able to keep up with meta changes. It’s easy to brush this year’s terrible performance and say that Jingg just came into the season late but many teams made mid season roster changes, one of those teams being Team Heretics. They didn’t win anything but they were consistently top 2 minimum since Shanghai. I do believe that 2025 will be the last year we see this roster together if they fail to get results
I agree completely, you also have to factor in stagnation. How many losses can they shrug off without at some point thinking the team is the problem, new blood could easily revive the team or kill it, but changing nothing and then achieving nothing will absolutely kill the team. With their history, past performances, and fan base I think they've earned another shot in 25, idk bout any more than that tho.
@ I honestly really wish they kept Monyet instead of Jingg. I know Jingg is one of the best raze players of all time but Monyet’s agent pool is so much better than Jingg’s that I believe he’s a more valuable player overall. The other agents Monyet can play are mostly within the controller role, meaning the team can be more flexible having Something as the primary duelist on the jett maps while Monyet flexes onto smokes. I’m honestly pretty disappointed with PRX and them deciding to keep Jingg. I think, in order for this roster to actually improve and keep up, Jingg needs to expand his agent pool and become the full time primary duelist while Something focus on initiator or Jingg learns agents outside the duelist role, whether that be sentinel, smokes or initiator, as long as it doesn’t overlap with Something’s agents.
I'm just saying but maybe the only way they actually start to improve is by failing to qualify for any masters or even champions. They are pretty comfortable with their current roster to the point they're letting mistakes through. Obviously roster change is not the answer to everything but changing up the "vibe" or "atmosphere" can at least help. I also think a bit of "ego" or overconfidence in them being one of the reason they're worse than previous season (2022-2023). Like ever since they made 2nd in Champs LA, all they're thinking about is lifting an international trophy. There's nothing wrong with having a clear objective to succeed but I genuinely feel like they prioritize the "lifting trophy" mentality over their improvement and more importantly their core identity A.K.A "W Gaming".
then you not watched prx from start. and your mid season fact is wrong. heretics practiced with both woot and patitek from the off season. and drx roster move is from academy roster which is do the same. edg did player change but it matched their chemistry more(normally not happening for every team). and your fact that playing best teams in season will make ez to play international is wrong too. because if your league has higher skill level you have to give it all, like reveal all your agent comps strats like things. it was easier to counter strat those things when going to internationals
@@nilakshachandula7185 Everything which you mentioned about the roster changes are STILL roster changes that affect how the team will play and perform, regardless of where the player came from and how long they’ve been practicing with them beforehand because they weren’t there for their official games. And PRX were practicing with Jingg in the offseason even when they knew he was going to be leaving before Monyet took over, so I really don’t get what point you’re trying to make. And I didn’t say it’ll be easier for teams to make it to internationals at Pacific, I said it’d be HARDER because these teams making huge roster moves obviously want to win meaning the regional competition will be more strict and difficult to get through, something PRX has never had to deal with before because the other Pacific teams have always been so weak. And sure, other teams from other regions can counter strat and prep for your comp and ideas but, if you’re truly a good team, counter strating alone shouldn’t be able to beat you and that should be a hurdle the team should be able to overcome if they actually want to win a tournament
@@NRY.35 Well if that is enough to make them not perform as good as before then they’re just not good. This the difference between games like valo and cs. If you can’t adapt to the new meta then you’re done for just like yay. Valo pros need to be flexible but on prx only forsaken is actually good and very flexible and maybe davai too
@@yalocaldex reason why they nerfed skye and raze was to nerf teams with aggressive playstyle. now you have to use 2 smokes or 2 initiators which were not uncommon but now it is the meta. only prx sticks with 2 sentinel or 2 duelist on every map. they have their own philosophy so we should just enjoy and let them have fun. trophies arent for everyone.
@@bastidota I'm not saying they must change but if they do want to win then change it because this just means that they're not even trying to win so they don't deserve to win
One theory I have is that for next season they will put Jinggg on pure duelist entry and have something/davai/forsaken flex around the different initiator roles. something's streams have been full of sova and he's already proved that he's good with gekko and breach. Jingg is just suited for entry because he just full sends it in and has great reaction time. He used to play jett on SMG before he went to PRX so he can definitely play jett/raze/neon. This would obviously hinder their double duelist comps but man it's 2024, double duelist just doesnt work anymore and you need 2 initiators to set you up on almost all the maps
I do think the objectively correct decision is more structure but I disagree with needing a roster change for it; 1. PRX as an org knows how invaluable this roster is not just to their identity, but their bottom line. Every prx fan I have interacted with in the last 3 seasons are fans of the roster specifically and ik for a fact many would leave to follow their favourites wherever they go. Having kept the roster this long was beneficial for building said identity, but it has also pigeonholed them. 2. Imo I could easily see forsaken, davai, or mindfreak fulfill the igl role for this team, they don't have to go to the opposite end of the spectrum and make their team revolve around a boaster like igl, they just need a dedicated dude to keep them in line and these players have proven themselves as leaders when the team needed them already. Theres nothing stopping the others from being great mid round callers they just need one dude to have priority on said calls imo. One final point tho, I think this is the last season they can justify this core roster sticking around, I believe they will win, but that's a biased statement from a fan.
I feel like the point about specializing their agents was one of their biggest issues this year. By the end of the season I was noticing that the timing of key pieces of util was consistently too late and it felt like they just hadn't had enough time to practice some of the agents they played. Fingers crossed they'll be able to hit the new season with some extra polish and come out swinging
My only worry about something moving out of the duelist role is that he is also their main opper and one of the best oppers in the world. Since he's transitioning out of the opping agents it feels bad (unless prx pulls a chamber)
@@dramaticreaper he can still play op Even if he doesnt play duelist, like he oped with gekko multiple times, he isnt going to drop the op because he isnt a duelist anymore, any agent can play the op
@@ezuan01 being aggressive doesnt mean not being disicpline. They can still play aggressive with great discipline. (trading, buddy system, not overheating, etc). If anything, when they play aggro without discipline, they lose those rounds, which will plummet their confidence even more
w gaming needs to evolve for them to succeed. I don't think it's a simple as 'they need an igl' or 'alecks needs help'. it's an inherent problem with the team identity and culture. EDG is the most prominent example of this, considering how they tried to wane off of their identity, proceeded to fail miserably, and then went back to it with a different execution that clicked and resulted in them winning Champions with the most dominant Sunset and Lotus we've ever seen. FPX is also an interesting case to look at, since them and PRX are two sides of the same coin. FPX looked towards reinventing their comps and roles and shot up their international performance because they weren't running double duelist and inting. Meta changes or map pool changes aren't going to help on their own; they need to get with the present and lock in on modernizing
I honestly thought they were and should have swapped out mindfreak for xxcurate who not only plays smokes, cracked aimer, but also igled pretty decently. He also forsaken brother and has a similar aggression to his style of play that I thought would fit nicely on this team.
No, they need someone like mindfreak, like he is the calmest member of the team, he know how to calm down the team and how to do midround calls, Also he is one of the Best smokers in the Game and is very consistent
I think, things were certainly not in favour of prx last season, this team can still go toe to toe with the best. I felt that amidst incompatible meta and jingg's transition to the team in the middle of the season, paper rex struggled to get into their element. Moreover, the loss to G2, over the heartbreak of last year's champ, broke something within them as they started questioning their playstyle. I think if raze wasn't nerfed, jingg would have had easier time settling into the team and team would have performed well definitely. They have time to figure things out in this off season and I believe we will definitely see a better version of them. I am excited to see what they have been cooking.
@ChillOutEsports another thing to point out is we're in a dive agent meta so u can't make something play duelist every game (if they decided to go to the traditional 1 Duelist comp), but playing mainly initiater (info type) makes u behind the team in the first contact with the enemy (kinda like smoggy condition from jett player to initiater then to the smoke player), but i highly doubt this outcome cuz if they gonna have an smoke igl to replace mindfreak something gonna lose his explosiveness for good...(They seriously need jinggg for the current meta), let me know ur opinion about my take & thx for the video...
kinda feels like they gonna make a comeback in 2025, definitely looking forward cause they seem to be getting comfortable on agent other than what they used to
Prx is always gonna be inconsistent due to their playstyle. They don’t obey the standard meta comps most of the time and play for comfort roles, which will always be inherently inconsistent. They will shit on teams that have bad macro, but against optimal teams running the optimal meta comps they lose 70-80% of the time
Prx's main problem was they were unwilling to change with meta. While meta was favouring initiators and sentinels they were still trying to send it in using double duelists.
Forsaken needs a new team man I feel bad for him. He’s actually one of the most talented valorant player snd he deserve better. I also want to point out davai he’s also a good player.
That's kinda the issue is choosing one to replace is hard because they're all so good. I'd say the easiest move would be to swap mindfreak for an igl that can play smokes. However they do have two duelist players but I don't think you wanna lose something (arguably you're best individual performer) nor would you be stoked to lose jinggg because you would need a new raze/neon to replace that and igls don't play duelist usually
@@ChillOutEsports another thing to point out is we're in a dive agent meta so u can't make something play duelist every game (if they decided to go to the traditional 1 Duelist comp), but playing mainly initiater (info type) makes u behind the team in the first contact with the enemy (kinda like smoggy condition from jett player to initiater then to the smoke player), but i highly doubt this outcome cuz if they gonna have an smoke igl to replace mindfreak something gonna lose his explosiveness for good...(They seriously need jinggg for the current meta), let me know ur opinion about my take & thx for the video (am a prx fan)...
you know what? xccurate could swap mindfreak as forsaken loved playing with his brother and xccurate is already a good igl whilst we dont need another flex other than forsaken. (davai and mindfreak is interchangeable but i prefer davai calmness).
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I feel that PRX has a pretty enormous attachment to the personality of their players. PRX became famous for W-gaming, and it's crazy fame won't last without it. It behooves PRX as an org to keep this team and style, after all, they were #1 in bundle sales because of it.
@@BrowningAstilo sounds like a streamer team. No trophies but entertainment. Doesn’t like like professional team then
@wonyo2563 they got APAC trophy
But you forget that esport is business driven entertainment, this is how they create value proposition different from other
@@wonyo2563 Honestly, a streamer team that still makes all 3 internationals doesn’t sound like that bad of a roster from a business perspective :/
@@wonyo2563 streamer team😭😭
@@wonyo2563 so the other team with no thropy and not entertaining is worst than unprofessional team?
I think Paper Rex’s time to actually win an international tournament with the same roster is shrinking every year. This year alone, we saw numerous Pacific teams really step up and improve. I know GenG is the most famous example but DRX made roster moves mid season and managed to be the best performing Pacific team at champs, and now we’re seeing more roster moves made by T1, GE, GenG again, and now with both Sin Prisa Gaming and Boom Esports both joining the Pacific league, it’s going to be even more competitive and ruthless within the Pacific region itself. Obviously having stronger and better opponents as your regional competition will make for better practice and prep for teams at the international stage, but it also means that Paper Rex (assuming they continue this downward slope) will soon not even be making it to international tournaments at all, which will be insane considering they’ve made it to every international since 2022. I think the team struggles a lot with team coordination, big maps and being able to keep up with meta changes. It’s easy to brush this year’s terrible performance and say that Jingg just came into the season late but many teams made mid season roster changes, one of those teams being Team Heretics. They didn’t win anything but they were consistently top 2 minimum since Shanghai. I do believe that 2025 will be the last year we see this roster together if they fail to get results
I agree completely, you also have to factor in stagnation. How many losses can they shrug off without at some point thinking the team is the problem, new blood could easily revive the team or kill it, but changing nothing and then achieving nothing will absolutely kill the team. With their history, past performances, and fan base I think they've earned another shot in 25, idk bout any more than that tho.
@ I honestly really wish they kept Monyet instead of Jingg. I know Jingg is one of the best raze players of all time but Monyet’s agent pool is so much better than Jingg’s that I believe he’s a more valuable player overall. The other agents Monyet can play are mostly within the controller role, meaning the team can be more flexible having Something as the primary duelist on the jett maps while Monyet flexes onto smokes. I’m honestly pretty disappointed with PRX and them deciding to keep Jingg. I think, in order for this roster to actually improve and keep up, Jingg needs to expand his agent pool and become the full time primary duelist while Something focus on initiator or Jingg learns agents outside the duelist role, whether that be sentinel, smokes or initiator, as long as it doesn’t overlap with Something’s agents.
I'm just saying but maybe the only way they actually start to improve is by failing to qualify for any masters or even champions. They are pretty comfortable with their current roster to the point they're letting mistakes through. Obviously roster change is not the answer to everything but changing up the "vibe" or "atmosphere" can at least help. I also think a bit of "ego" or overconfidence in them being one of the reason they're worse than previous season (2022-2023). Like ever since they made 2nd in Champs LA, all they're thinking about is lifting an international trophy. There's nothing wrong with having a clear objective to succeed but I genuinely feel like they prioritize the "lifting trophy" mentality over their improvement and more importantly their core identity A.K.A "W Gaming".
then you not watched prx from start. and your mid season fact is wrong. heretics practiced with both woot and patitek from the off season. and drx roster move is from academy roster which is do the same. edg did player change but it matched their chemistry more(normally not happening for every team). and your fact that playing best teams in season will make ez to play international is wrong too. because if your league has higher skill level you have to give it all, like reveal all your agent comps strats like things. it was easier to counter strat those things when going to internationals
@@nilakshachandula7185 Everything which you mentioned about the roster changes are STILL roster changes that affect how the team will play and perform, regardless of where the player came from and how long they’ve been practicing with them beforehand because they weren’t there for their official games. And PRX were practicing with Jingg in the offseason even when they knew he was going to be leaving before Monyet took over, so I really don’t get what point you’re trying to make. And I didn’t say it’ll be easier for teams to make it to internationals at Pacific, I said it’d be HARDER because these teams making huge roster moves obviously want to win meaning the regional competition will be more strict and difficult to get through, something PRX has never had to deal with before because the other Pacific teams have always been so weak. And sure, other teams from other regions can counter strat and prep for your comp and ideas but, if you’re truly a good team, counter strating alone shouldn’t be able to beat you and that should be a hurdle the team should be able to overcome if they actually want to win a tournament
The meta is against them. Skye got nerfed, raze got nerfed, not enough map pool plus burnout probably.
@@NRY.35 So true 😞
@@NRY.35 Well if that is enough to make them not perform as good as before then they’re just not good. This the difference between games like valo and cs. If you can’t adapt to the new meta then you’re done for just like yay. Valo pros need to be flexible but on prx only forsaken is actually good and very flexible and maybe davai too
@@yalocaldex reason why they nerfed skye and raze was to nerf teams with aggressive playstyle. now you have to use 2 smokes or 2 initiators which were not uncommon but now it is the meta. only prx sticks with 2 sentinel or 2 duelist on every map. they have their own philosophy so we should just enjoy and let them have fun. trophies arent for everyone.
@@bastidota I'm not saying they must change but if they do want to win then change it because this just means that they're not even trying to win so they don't deserve to win
One theory I have is that for next season they will put Jinggg on pure duelist entry and have something/davai/forsaken flex around the different initiator roles. something's streams have been full of sova and he's already proved that he's good with gekko and breach. Jingg is just suited for entry because he just full sends it in and has great reaction time. He used to play jett on SMG before he went to PRX so he can definitely play jett/raze/neon.
This would obviously hinder their double duelist comps but man it's 2024, double duelist just doesnt work anymore and you need 2 initiators to set you up on almost all the maps
I just want to point out Forsakens agent pool, almost doesnt fit on the screen😂
he could be full duelist atp
It was a challenge making them all fit
@@Sg190th he was originally the team duelist afterall.
The thing is he is carrying tf out of that team
@yalocaldex And david, theyre the most consistent
I do think the objectively correct decision is more structure but I disagree with needing a roster change for it; 1. PRX as an org knows how invaluable this roster is not just to their identity, but their bottom line. Every prx fan I have interacted with in the last 3 seasons are fans of the roster specifically and ik for a fact many would leave to follow their favourites wherever they go. Having kept the roster this long was beneficial for building said identity, but it has also pigeonholed them. 2. Imo I could easily see forsaken, davai, or mindfreak fulfill the igl role for this team, they don't have to go to the opposite end of the spectrum and make their team revolve around a boaster like igl, they just need a dedicated dude to keep them in line and these players have proven themselves as leaders when the team needed them already. Theres nothing stopping the others from being great mid round callers they just need one dude to have priority on said calls imo.
One final point tho, I think this is the last season they can justify this core roster sticking around, I believe they will win, but that's a biased statement from a fan.
I feel like the point about specializing their agents was one of their biggest issues this year. By the end of the season I was noticing that the timing of key pieces of util was consistently too late and it felt like they just hadn't had enough time to practice some of the agents they played. Fingers crossed they'll be able to hit the new season with some extra polish and come out swinging
My only worry about something moving out of the duelist role is that he is also their main opper and one of the best oppers in the world. Since he's transitioning out of the opping agents it feels bad (unless prx pulls a chamber)
@@dramaticreaper same dp
@@dramaticreaper he can still play op Even if he doesnt play duelist, like he oped with gekko multiple times, he isnt going to drop the op because he isnt a duelist anymore, any agent can play the op
If they add more discipline along with new role changes, they will be monstrous. I mean they did beat GenG to secure the best spot for VCT Shanghai.
no, discipline makes them lose confident even more. they should always aggresive
@@ezuan01 being aggressive doesnt mean not being disicpline. They can still play aggressive with great discipline. (trading, buddy system, not overheating, etc). If anything, when they play aggro without discipline, they lose those rounds, which will plummet their confidence even more
@@ezuan01 being aggressive is different than being dumb
w gaming needs to evolve for them to succeed. I don't think it's a simple as 'they need an igl' or 'alecks needs help'. it's an inherent problem with the team identity and culture. EDG is the most prominent example of this, considering how they tried to wane off of their identity, proceeded to fail miserably, and then went back to it with a different execution that clicked and resulted in them winning Champions with the most dominant Sunset and Lotus we've ever seen. FPX is also an interesting case to look at, since them and PRX are two sides of the same coin. FPX looked towards reinventing their comps and roles and shot up their international performance because they weren't running double duelist and inting. Meta changes or map pool changes aren't going to help on their own; they need to get with the present and lock in on modernizing
Ngl This guy is very serious about analyzing and making videos about PRX. I appreciate you, bro ❤️
Based on somethings val tracker it seems like he might be swapping over to scan initiator role if the teams need it
That PRX Vs. 100T in shanghai is so hard to watch.
I honestly thought they were and should have swapped out mindfreak for xxcurate who not only plays smokes, cracked aimer, but also igled pretty decently. He also forsaken brother and has a similar aggression to his style of play that I thought would fit nicely on this team.
xccurate is washed bru😭😭hes reaching that age, role issue may solved but their firepower will heavily decrease
@ I disagree
No, they need someone like mindfreak, like he is the calmest member of the team, he know how to calm down the team and how to do midround calls, Also he is one of the Best smokers in the Game and is very consistent
I think, things were certainly not in favour of prx last season, this team can still go toe to toe with the best. I felt that amidst incompatible meta and jingg's transition to the team in the middle of the season, paper rex struggled to get into their element. Moreover, the loss to G2, over the heartbreak of last year's champ, broke something within them as they started questioning their playstyle. I think if raze wasn't nerfed, jingg would have had easier time settling into the team and team would have performed well definitely. They have time to figure things out in this off season and I believe we will definitely see a better version of them. I am excited to see what they have been cooking.
@ChillOutEsports another thing to point out is we're in a dive agent meta so u can't make something play duelist every game (if they decided to go to the traditional 1 Duelist comp), but playing mainly initiater (info type) makes u behind the team in the first contact with the enemy (kinda like smoggy condition from jett player to initiater then to the smoke player), but i highly doubt this outcome cuz if they gonna have an smoke igl to replace mindfreak something gonna lose his explosiveness for good...(They seriously need jinggg for the current meta), let me know ur opinion about my take & thx for the video...
kinda feels like they gonna make a comeback in 2025, definitely looking forward cause they seem to be getting comfortable on agent other than what they used to
They just need jingg or something to play more roles
Prx is always gonna be inconsistent due to their playstyle. They don’t obey the standard meta comps most of the time and play for comfort roles, which will always be inherently inconsistent. They will shit on teams that have bad macro, but against optimal teams running the optimal meta comps they lose 70-80% of the time
PRX is new drx
Prx's main problem was they were unwilling to change with meta. While meta was favouring initiators and sentinels they were still trying to send it in using double duelists.
My goats will never be washed 😭🙏
I still believe😭
I think they’ll have a better chance in 2025 since double duelist is more viable now compared to last season
Forsaken needs a new team man I feel bad for him. He’s actually one of the most talented valorant player snd he deserve better. I also want to point out davai he’s also a good player.
who would they replace?
That's kinda the issue is choosing one to replace is hard because they're all so good. I'd say the easiest move would be to swap mindfreak for an igl that can play smokes. However they do have two duelist players but I don't think you wanna lose something (arguably you're best individual performer) nor would you be stoked to lose jinggg because you would need a new raze/neon to replace that and igls don't play duelist usually
@@ChillOutEsports another thing to point out is we're in a dive agent meta so u can't make something play duelist every game (if they decided to go to the traditional 1 Duelist comp), but playing mainly initiater (info type) makes u behind the team in the first contact with the enemy (kinda like smoggy condition from jett player to initiater then to the smoke player), but i highly doubt this outcome cuz if they gonna have an smoke igl to replace mindfreak something gonna lose his explosiveness for good...(They seriously need jinggg for the current meta), let me know ur opinion about my take & thx for the video (am a prx fan)...
Mindfreak, jinggg, or something. Depends what roles they go with
Def mindfreak he the easiest one to replace without changing the structure of the team. He great but not nearly as intangible as the other players
you know what? xccurate could swap mindfreak as forsaken loved playing with his brother and xccurate is already a good igl whilst we dont need another flex other than forsaken. (davai and mindfreak is interchangeable but i prefer davai calmness).
For me, its forsaken and davai that make this team keep alive
people thinking monyet better than jingg just because they placed third while forget that f0rsaken performed very good in madrid but not in shanghai
They need a major rework and jingg have to played other duelist than raze
Gen.G forever ♥️ ❤️ 💙 💖 💓 💕 ♥️ ❤️
Smh cleary they need to put back davai back to duelist and win it all
Jingg is too lazy to learn new agent and it make the team cumble. But they cant fire jingg bcs he is the neponany
Nah they just saving strats
btw the core of this vid is: flex is bad, except for forsaken.
dw they will win something in 2025
Jingg is definitely washed. Bro has the least flexibility and is a sureshot liability right now. There many better duelists out there.
Mindfreak is prob
Yes. Paper Rex is washed. End of story and their legacy
John qt would have been perfect for them
Lack of content 😭
Of course dude, they only have forsaken & something, rest is garbage