I do a lot of remote delivery for teaching programming and need to show my code editor - I've found that Zoom optimises more during screen share - when I try to use OBS to do to the same, often the text is a bit pixelated.
I totally hear you! A couple of things come into play: 1- Zoom by default is limited to 360p, so you have to request the support to increase your group video quality to HD (720p) 2- Your CPU must be below 85% at all times, otherwise Zoom will reduce the quality and make it pixelated 3- Screenshare will always have higher quality because, exactly as you put it, it optimized for quality rather than FPS I particularly use lots of screenshare to teach OBS and apps with small letters and what I’ll do is zoom in the text a lot to highlight the parts that I want to share. This makes it easier for the audience to follow what I’m teaching while I’m able to design the entire experience. But mostly, I’d say it is ok to use screenshare and you really want to share an app, but just not necessary for slideshows. For slide shows, it is much more engaging doing it on OBS
I love the idea of using OBS with Zoom, and it's something I've tried before... But I'm not sure if it's better to do "Share screen" to share the obs Preview window, or to use OBS as a Virtual Camera. Which one do you use?
Definitely use the virtual camera because screenshare doesn’t prioritize FPS and it will look and feel laggy. Also in my masterclass that is happening right now I teach how to unlock HD quality on your Zoom camera: insidethe.show
This is a very cool tip, thank you! I have some experience making scenes and sources from streaming in OBS but I am currently running into 2 issues: 1. When trying to resize my webcam source and window capture source they can only scale proportionally, I am not able to cut out parts of the video or capture when resizing. 2. The window capture source output is VERY pixelated in OBS compared the the original source, any ideas why? Cheers!
This is so good. Thank you. How do you get your slides that size? Are you using PowerPoint? When I go to presenter view, it has a massive area of black on the outside of the slide, which then comes across to OBS.
How do you do it so you can still share sound too? I know when I screen share I like to share the sound too (for example to play a video etc) How can you do it without using the screen share?
I find that unfortunately this method makes the video quality participants get unusable. Some fonts (even big ones) are not readable, and everything looks super low res. People look ok, but any other element just looks terrible. I understand the camera feed prioritise high frame rate over resolution, but sadly there's not way to control that. We've tried all settings, and options both on Zoom and OBS, and been on forums and it seems to be a problem no one has been able to sort out. it's a shame as I love the flexibility. Have you found a way to fix that issue?
I don't have this issue, here is what I do: 1- Unlock 720p quality by requesting Zoom support to activate Group HD in the backend of your account (you can't do this by yourself) 2- Make sure your CPU is below 70% 3- Make sure your internet is good and reliable (usually the easiest step) You can verify the quality you are actually sending to the final users by, during a call, going to video settings, statistics, video and checking the resolution you are sending. It should be 1280x720px. Some can even bump this resolution to 1920x1080p in case you have a Zoom business account.
@@FelippeNardi Thanks for the reply. Step1 is the only one I haven't tried... 2 and 3 are all good. I thought it was now possible to activate group HD by going to settings on the web and under advanced meeting settings there's a toggle for Group HD, so I assumed that as high as it goes. Anyway, I'll reach out to Zoom support and see if they can help. Thanks
This doesn’t work so well in a meeting, as most people use the gallery view, so even if you’re sharing your slides in the manner you recommend, there’s a good chance that people will struggle to read it. Sharing a screen still allows you to pop out a view of the participant cameras so that YOU can see them, but taking your approach to the next step, you can share your screen at maximum quality, but add yourself onto the screen share. It does require you to have a spare screen, but gives a better chance that people can see everything, whilst having the engagement that comes from the camera being present. We should still be switching the share off when necessary though…! 😉
When you need everyone to get out of Gallery View you just need to spotlight yourself. This forces everyone to see you big on screen and you can rock with your slides.
@@FelippeNardi There is no "Spotlight" function in the current version of Zoom as far as I can tell. I can "pin" myself, but even doing this as the host, it has no impact on the participants.
@@JohnsTechBlog Yes there is, you just need to be cohost or host in order to be able to see it, and there MUST be at least 3 people in the call for this feature to be visible
Do you have any how to video? I wanted to try out sharing slides the way you do and also make my zoom like the way you have yourself centred with others around you and possible the polls too...
This video here guides you through how to setup the slides already :) The poll that you've seen in the Masterclass is an exclusive resource of the Inside The Show, and we are going to show more about it THIS Sunday! Have you added it to your calendar already? community.insidethe.show/c/masterclass-events/dynamic-countdown-timers-its-early-bird-opening
Thanks for the video! I've been having issues with video quality, and people are having trouble reading the text in my presentations. I used to solve this with NDI, but now it seems that Zoom no longer supports it (unless you use Zoom Rooms). Any suggestions to ensure good video quality? Thanks again!
Hi Jeff, are you on Mac? If so, there are some permissions that needs to be given in order for the virtual camera to work on Zoom. If that is the case and you are on Mac, follow this: docs.vdo.ninja/common-errors-and-known-issues/virtual-camera-not-working-on-mac
I used this kind of setup for quite some time but I gave up on it. The Problem I faced was, that image quality, resolution and fps, is too poor with this approach for too many users and there is a delay between audio (hearing my speak) and video (see my lips move). And because it all depends to servers and the internet connection on user side it is very hard to test. I looked all great to me when testing with a second laptop at home, likes it look good on the recordings shown here, but in real life it was not usable for me. @Felippe, didnt you recognize these problems? Is there a trick to solve these problems?
The lipsync issue might just be a configuration issue, I can assure it is possible. The quality needs to be taken care of carefully: your internet must be good and your cpu must always be below 80%. If you can meet these conditions, the quality will be 720p. When you compare with a screenshare, the quality is lower because screen share can go up to 4k. But screenshare is not optimized for video, so it can be used to share your camera because the FPS will be low.
@@FelippeNardi Thanks for the fast reply. I dont see a problem with my internet connection or my cpu, because, as I said, it all worked fine when testing, and it also worked fine for many participants. But for many others it didnt. So the problem is on the participant side, especially bandwidth. When Zoom or Teams is confronted with low bandwidth, Screenshare is optimized for resolution, with the downside of too low fps for video. Camera is optimized for fps with the downside of too poor resolution for a presentation. That is why it technically makes total sense to keep the presentation and camera as two streams. The presentation optimized for resolution and the camera for fps. Microsoft Teams does exactly this with its different presentation views or the Cameo feature of PowerPoint. However, the control over it is a bit limited in comparison to use OBS like you do and I did, before recognizing the problems with the approach.
I do a lot of remote delivery for teaching programming and need to show my code editor - I've found that Zoom optimises more during screen share - when I try to use OBS to do to the same, often the text is a bit pixelated.
I totally hear you! A couple of things come into play:
1- Zoom by default is limited to 360p, so you have to request the support to increase your group video quality to HD (720p)
2- Your CPU must be below 85% at all times, otherwise Zoom will reduce the quality and make it pixelated
3- Screenshare will always have higher quality because, exactly as you put it, it optimized for quality rather than FPS
I particularly use lots of screenshare to teach OBS and apps with small letters and what I’ll do is zoom in the text a lot to highlight the parts that I want to share. This makes it easier for the audience to follow what I’m teaching while I’m able to design the entire experience.
But mostly, I’d say it is ok to use screenshare and you really want to share an app, but just not necessary for slideshows. For slide shows, it is much more engaging doing it on OBS
Love this approach. 6:36
Looks really nice the way you transition in and out, great work!
Thanks Kokyu!
THIS IS A GOLD MINE THANK YOU!
Happy you enjoyed!
So excited to check this out!!
Yay!!!
Great thanks, but video start 3:28. Was about to switch off jut as you actually got to the point. Thanks
@@alltj it was a live session, you are being too critical
I love the idea of using OBS with Zoom, and it's something I've tried before... But I'm not sure if it's better to do "Share screen" to share the obs Preview window, or to use OBS as a Virtual Camera. Which one do you use?
Definitely use the virtual camera because screenshare doesn’t prioritize FPS and it will look and feel laggy.
Also in my masterclass that is happening right now I teach how to unlock HD quality on your Zoom camera: insidethe.show
Thank you it's amazing. I have small problem: when I start the virtual camera, the camera on zoom is flipped and I'm not able to mirror it.
Thanks! ☺️ You just need to go to the Zoom settings itself, click on the “video” tab and uncheck “mirror my video”
Does this work with MS teams?
Yes, you can use a virtual camera in MS teams too
This is a very cool tip, thank you! I have some experience making scenes and sources from streaming in OBS but I am currently running into 2 issues:
1. When trying to resize my webcam source and window capture source they can only scale proportionally, I am not able to cut out parts of the video or capture when resizing.
2. The window capture source output is VERY pixelated in OBS compared the the original source, any ideas why?
Cheers!
This is so good. Thank you. How do you get your slides that size? Are you using PowerPoint? When I go to presenter view, it has a massive area of black on the outside of the slide, which then comes across to OBS.
I doze the slides 1350x1080 and play them on a window instead of fullscreen. I use Keynote but it is also possible on PowerPoint
How do you do it so you can still share sound too? I know when I screen share I like to share the sound too (for example to play a video etc)
How can you do it without using the screen share?
You just click on Share > Advanced > Share audio only
I find that unfortunately this method makes the video quality participants get unusable. Some fonts (even big ones) are not readable, and everything looks super low res. People look ok, but any other element just looks terrible. I understand the camera feed prioritise high frame rate over resolution, but sadly there's not way to control that. We've tried all settings, and options both on Zoom and OBS, and been on forums and it seems to be a problem no one has been able to sort out. it's a shame as I love the flexibility. Have you found a way to fix that issue?
I don't have this issue, here is what I do:
1- Unlock 720p quality by requesting Zoom support to activate Group HD in the backend of your account (you can't do this by yourself)
2- Make sure your CPU is below 70%
3- Make sure your internet is good and reliable (usually the easiest step)
You can verify the quality you are actually sending to the final users by, during a call, going to video settings, statistics, video and checking the resolution you are sending. It should be 1280x720px.
Some can even bump this resolution to 1920x1080p in case you have a Zoom business account.
@@FelippeNardi Thanks for the reply. Step1 is the only one I haven't tried... 2 and 3 are all good.
I thought it was now possible to activate group HD by going to settings on the web and under advanced meeting settings there's a toggle for Group HD, so I assumed that as high as it goes. Anyway, I'll reach out to Zoom support and see if they can help. Thanks
@@MarcJacqueminL this toggle doesn’t actually work 🤷♂️
@@FelippeNardi Oh, that's good to know! 😂
This doesn’t work so well in a meeting, as most people use the gallery view, so even if you’re sharing your slides in the manner you recommend, there’s a good chance that people will struggle to read it. Sharing a screen still allows you to pop out a view of the participant cameras so that YOU can see them, but taking your approach to the next step, you can share your screen at maximum quality, but add yourself onto the screen share. It does require you to have a spare screen, but gives a better chance that people can see everything, whilst having the engagement that comes from the camera being present. We should still be switching the share off when necessary though…! 😉
When you need everyone to get out of Gallery View you just need to spotlight yourself. This forces everyone to see you big on screen and you can rock with your slides.
@@FelippeNardi There is no "Spotlight" function in the current version of Zoom as far as I can tell. I can "pin" myself, but even doing this as the host, it has no impact on the participants.
@@JohnsTechBlog Yes there is, you just need to be cohost or host in order to be able to see it, and there MUST be at least 3 people in the call for this feature to be visible
Do you have any how to video? I wanted to try out sharing slides the way you do and also make my zoom like the way you have yourself centred with others around you and possible the polls too...
This video here guides you through how to setup the slides already :)
The poll that you've seen in the Masterclass is an exclusive resource of the Inside The Show, and we are going to show more about it THIS Sunday! Have you added it to your calendar already? community.insidethe.show/c/masterclass-events/dynamic-countdown-timers-its-early-bird-opening
I think this is what I was looking for! Is there a way to access a recording of your masterclass please?
The recordings are not available, but you can sign up to the next one here: insidethe.show
I really like the music in your videos. Is that stream deck music?
These are from epidemicsound.com :)
Could this work if you use free conference call instead of Zoom? Is OBS just a "video" source you select when you are using Zoom?
Sure!
Thanks for the video! I've been having issues with video quality, and people are having trouble reading the text in my presentations. I used to solve this with NDI, but now it seems that Zoom no longer supports it (unless you use Zoom Rooms). Any suggestions to ensure good video quality? Thanks again!
@@FranciscoPérez-m6f make sure that you ask the Zoom support to activate group hd in your account, this is going to bump up the quality to 720p
@@FelippeNardi Thank you for your help! I'll try that!
Great video! Can you share where you got the green screen background from?
It is a real set, not a green screen :)
I'm too late.
Just make sure to sign up to my email list, I’m planning on running one more masterclass this year: insidethe.show
@@FelippeNardi I beat you to it!
I can't size my powerpoint and camera view the way you show it and in zoom my obs camera doesn't work. Can you help me fix this?
Hi Jeff, are you on Mac? If so, there are some permissions that needs to be given in order for the virtual camera to work on Zoom. If that is the case and you are on Mac, follow this: docs.vdo.ninja/common-errors-and-known-issues/virtual-camera-not-working-on-mac
No am on windows but I did get it to work. How do you go to next slide? U use ppt or obs? Appreciate the help and reply
@@jeffbrandeis9985 to go to the next slide you will use power point itself. OBS just captures the screen
Does this work if using a virtual background in Zoom or only if using the natural (i.e. real) actual background?
@@eshapiro9585 it doesn’t work with using virtual backgrounds
I used this kind of setup for quite some time but I gave up on it. The Problem I faced was, that image quality, resolution and fps, is too poor with this approach for too many users and there is a delay between audio (hearing my speak) and video (see my lips move). And because it all depends to servers and the internet connection on user side it is very hard to test. I looked all great to me when testing with a second laptop at home, likes it look good on the recordings shown here, but in real life it was not usable for me. @Felippe, didnt you recognize these problems? Is there a trick to solve these problems?
The lipsync issue might just be a configuration issue, I can assure it is possible.
The quality needs to be taken care of carefully: your internet must be good and your cpu must always be below 80%. If you can meet these conditions, the quality will be 720p.
When you compare with a screenshare, the quality is lower because screen share can go up to 4k. But screenshare is not optimized for video, so it can be used to share your camera because the FPS will be low.
@@FelippeNardi Thanks for the fast reply. I dont see a problem with my internet connection or my cpu, because, as I said, it all worked fine when testing, and it also worked fine for many participants. But for many others it didnt. So the problem is on the participant side, especially bandwidth. When Zoom or Teams is confronted with low bandwidth, Screenshare is optimized for resolution, with the downside of too low fps for video. Camera is optimized for fps with the downside of too poor resolution for a presentation. That is why it technically makes total sense to keep the presentation and camera as two streams. The presentation optimized for resolution and the camera for fps. Microsoft Teams does exactly this with its different presentation views or the Cameo feature of PowerPoint.
However, the control over it is a bit limited in comparison to use OBS like you do and I did, before recognizing the problems with the approach.
Do you have a class for ecamm?
@@kxngcharlesiii8458 Ecamm doesn’t give nearly the flexibility that we have on OBS Studio, so I focus only on OBS Studio
I do apologize for my remarks! Sorry, do forgive me!
@@lindap.jonesministries no problem, Linda, it is really kind of you to reply
Thank you so much for sharing the youtube shared your video and I learned a lot
@@Lovelyisyourstory glad you find it :)