I knew her personally. Up until she moved to California. She has always been very self centered and diagnosed Bi polar. Pathology lied and would purposely go off her meds. I loved her daughter very much but she was not a good mother. She married my ex husband best friend, immediately got pregnant while she was living at ASU. She then got with some guy and left them to do her own thing. That didn’t work out so she started dating my ex husbands other best friend, 😮her ex husband’s best friend too. Immediately got pregnant with her son, convinced him to join the military. Took his sign on bonus and got a boob job and tummy tuck. Moved to California with that guy. Left him and started lying about who she is and was living a false reality life. She’s not Russian. She wasn’t in playboy. Some of this info you’re saying is wrong. I’m sorry. I don’t mean any disrespect but I was there. There’s a lot left out and a lot of facts wrong. When I heard about this doctor getting murdered by her, I knew she did it and she was the one who instigated it. She has caused fights between men a lot. My exhusband fought her last husband because she was freeloading and making me take care of her kid. So we called her out on it. Told her to get back on her meds. The entire Halloween night she tried to instigate fights. Invited women who didn’t like me, tried to spread lies, had her man at the time “defend” her. But I was friends with her before she got with my man’s friends. I knew how she was. I didn’t play into it. So she took it to the house. She hid in the car as she told her man to come fight mine. We kicked them out the next day. She told her daughter we didn’t love her anymore and that’s why they couldn’t stay with us. Idk it’s horrible and she’s horrible. There’s a little girl here who had a horrible mentally ill mother and now has the embarrassment that her mom is in prison. The kids are the victim. I’ve known her since she was 15. There was plenty of signs and warnings. Just no one listened to me because she was “pretty” or “hot”. They got dismissed. But I knew what she was capable of. All along.
I didn’t think she was Russian, nor does her name sound Russian. So this definitely clears up what suspected. Also, sure she was attractive, but she wasn’t Playboy hot, sorry. This women sounds nuts, and I’m sorry for her kids and anyone whose ever gotten involved with her.
I can remember rushing to clean before an ambulance arrived. Don't want the emt to know how messy we are 😆. I CAN see wanting to clean up biological stuff quickly. I don't like the idea of it soaking into my walls. But if you're alone, it had to wait. If you have multiple people, one can stay home to clean. I have memories of staying home to clean up blood a few times. My 2 year old brother turned the dishwasher into a step ladder, broke a glass & cut his toe to the bone. I found him, carried him upstairs and to my parents bedroom & THEY raced him to the hospital while I cleaned up the kitchen & the blood trail up the stairs. No one wants a bloody home, but they had enough people for someone to drive him to the era while someone else stayed home to clean. You prioritize the clean up when it's not an accident or medical event, where it's a crime scene.
The greediness and entitlement is astounding! Did they actually think they could get rid of him and live a nice cushy life?! Good thing most criminals aren’t that bright.
She couldn't even admit her role in the murder. What a scummy person. All of this for money. I have an idea, maybe try WORKING for a living lady. I'm glad she is behind bars but it's not long enough. She'll get out and do the same thing to someone else. It's disgusting. I feel so bad for Judy and all of his friends.
The love of money is the root of all evil. Now Kelsey's life isn't so good is it. She would have been better off getting a job like most people. Rest in Peace Thomas.
This is all just so asinine, rudimentary and obvious. Moral of the story is, stay away from grifters/extortionists, especially in this guise. Why in the hell would this dude be having online interaction with young women when he has a partner anyway, baffling and daresay there's a lot more to his behaviour than was alluded to.
@@amandamilders2550Sure he was beguiled by a white trash narcissist chick. Narcissists cast a spell. It's an entanglement. But this is another stupid stupid story about stupid stupid people told in a cadence which only leads me to believe she hopes to sound like AI which I don't understand at all!!
I always get so sad when I hear the sentences in these cases. They’re never enough. One of my best friends was murdered almost 2 years ago now & the sentencing is NEVER enough for how badly the grief changes everything around you & inside you. Families never move on no matter how hard they try. I hope his wife can find some comfort & peace in time. John & Kelsey did not get enough time for what they did to Thomas.
This is why I'm overprotective of my elderly parents. I've had a lot of scammers trying to lure my parents into shady things and luckily me & siblings caught em. It's so sad that Tom doesn't have his own kids to protect him which is why we should check up on our elderly friends!
There is many reasons he did not have children! Plenty of vulnerable women who would’ve had his child/children unfortunately, that is not what Tom wanted. He wanted to pay for women. He wanted to satisfy his desires. This is a hedonistic man.
They watched over us, it good we watch over them. 👍🏾❤️. My parents are so old My dad fell almost for the Microsoft computer scam and my mom almost fell for the Nigerian Prince scam. So now they go over everything with me 😂.
It does stick out especially as an old “respectable” man entangling himself in the lives of such worthless individuals. I can’t say a lot because I’m a fool too. But I don’t want to grow old and still be so vulnerable to manipulation like he clearly was because he was so unfulfilled with a simple life.
Ive learned the hard way: DONT HELP (STRANGER) WOMEN, 1) There are many substitutes, generally many ppl are willing to help women. 2) Gratefulness is different, women expect help, men dont, and will be grateful to you for the rest of their lives. 3) Women, faster than men, come to believe the assistance is a right and duty, and get ANGRY if you stop. 4) Women are more compelling socially, and whereas a man starts out guilty, it is immensely hard work/impossible to restore an innocent reputation if she decides to weave a story. 5) If when you step back and look at the situation, no matter how dressed up it is, the situation fits broadly into the definition of prostitution, then be SURE to discuss this openly, frequently. I lady who does not want to confront her own prostitution will destroy the whole world if it means being able stay in denial. I was friends with a lady, and when I rejected her romantically she walked around and told everyone in the town that it was because I was sleeping with her young daughter. This is a lady I helped move from zero. Which brings me to my last point. Most ladies wont help a stranger. Even beggars know to go after men 90% of the time. Since they dont help strangers as readily, every time a man pays attention, whether she is interested or not, she assumes he has romantic interest, and he will automatically reciprocate if she decides she wants you.
@@allypugliese7848 - I am afraid there is indeed more to his behaviour than the official narrative is telling us. As is usually the case with these matters. Being a victim does not equal to not having contributed to a horrific situation. But people are so conditioned that they are too afraid of "victim blaming/shaming" (especially when the victim is female) that they ignore red flags and wrong behaviour of a victim and by doing so the case is often presented totally distorted.
3200$ a month for rent is nuts then hearing he spent 500k jn a year on her is WILD! All Kelsey had to do was be a normal human! He probably would have married her lol
This case is to sad. I wish she would have gotten a longer for conviction for taking this poor man's life. She was a money hungry monster and that poor man had to suffer because of it. I truly believe she deserved life without parole for pushing her boyfriend to hurt this elderly man that did nothing but help her financially.
If he was showing signs of dementia, how is he still working? Why did she let him go alone to Las Vegas if that was the truth? That doesn’t seem correct. If my husband or boyfriend was giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to some other women, I would be out of there too. There’s definitely something going on. If he was “just helping “ then he would be helping everyone, not just young hot women. And this psycho burned through money like water. If she was working and getting her car and rent paid and had roommates where the heck was all her money going? Must’ve been drugs involved as well or plastic surgeries or something. And some people can’t even afford groceries. 🙄
Yep agree the old Doc not helping the independent women any those he thought were vulnerable (CREEPER) as for his partner she is no different to the murders living off him and adding the Doc to be a CREEPER I don’t feel good about the hole situation all the people apart from the 2 that left the house give me the creeps .
s@@fabiwilliams4644 agree, i still think she couldve accompanied him to vegas, but no reason he cant work. my dad has had early stage dementia for years and was basically fine, travelled to other countries alone and such. only reason i say she could've accompanied him is bc of WHO he was going to see. but people need to stop acting like people with early stage dementia are infants that should be watched 24/7
@@allypugliese7848 well you type like someone with a sub80 IQ so no surprise that your takes are equally as bad. also, Judy his fiance literally worked so how is she living off of him? And even if she was, why do you care? He isnt a creep unless he is going after women nonconsensually.. but these women are consenting because they want money so why are we excusing them and blaming him?
@@fabiwilliams4644 but she let him go alone to Vegas. That’s two huge international airports. Then she’s saying he got lost in the local grocery store parking lots. I know he’s a grown man that can do what he wants but I’d be going with my partner if he couldn’t manage a parking lot but wanted to travel states. I don’t know how to say it without sounding victim blamey. It’s obviously not her fault but he shouldn’t be traveling alone in that condition.
How could the 'Cleaning Crew" not know the difference (consistency, hue) of wine versus blood?😤😒 It's terrible when ANYONE takes advantage of elders with dementia. Smh.
An “Alford plea” is named after a U.S. Supreme Court case that allows for sentencing a defendant who maintains their innocence. An Alford-type guilty plea means the defendant decided it would be better to take a known sentence than to take their chances in a criminal trial. Why would someone take an Alford plea? Defendants usually enter an Alford guilty plea if they want to avoid a possible worse sentence were they to lose the case against them at trial. It affords defendants the ability to accept a plea bargain, while maintaining innocence.
As the Eagle song goes "Don't you draw the queen of diamonds boy, she'll beat you when she's able- you know the queen of hearts is always your best bet."
@@ToniThompson-rl3mpAlso, is gives them leverage over the other woman. They “need” him for money, so they’ll stick around longer & maybe even give favors in exchange for money. I’m sorry you had to go through that. It would be a huge betrayal of trust, for sure!
Humans don't have many imprinted behaviors... We all imprint on family, we imprint sympathetically as in, we see the anxiety levels of typically our mother, and assume that as our own lifelong baseline, but then there is human sexual imprinting, which is a bit of a special case. Only men do it, women do not. But men imprint on what will be the partner they'll seek out at a very young age, most often a young adult woman, at the peak of fecundity. So while men do typically date and pair with mates around their own age for social and whatever other reasons, what men are attracted to is the same, and unchanging, from age 4 to 14 to 40 to 400. Women are fundamentally different, some say they have multiple ideals at any given time, others that they have just one, but all agree that it is plastic, and always changing, not some programmed thing as it is with men.
With all due respect, I am having a hard time deciding who out of this bunch was the dumbest. Thomas never saw any of the million obvious red flags about Kelsey and kept on getting swallowed by her web of lies and deceit.Thomas’s wife allowed him to fall for this nonsense and even go and visit Kelsey after all the threats and lies. Kelsey leaves a dead man in her car, with his wallet, his ID and credit cards in his pocket, (sure the police wouldn’t put 2 and 2 together) Seriously??!! Wow…
This girl ended up somehow getting on the reality TV show Love after lock and people were outraged the they would allow that on WE TV . She was trying to hook up with one of the guys from some site called caged ladies or something like that .
She flat out used this poor man an then when he found out for himself she constantly lied he told her he was done and she decided then he was dead! She got mad because she couldn't use him anymore how pathetic.
I love your channel thank you I have liked 👍 and subscribed❤. I seriously don't believe that a cleaning crew , wouldn't know the difference between blud and red wine, I have cleaned for years and would definitely know the difference between wine and a crime scene, even a cleaned one 😭
If Diana was completely innocent, why didn't she demand that they take Thomas to the hospital? He was bleeding and had just be violently attacked. So instead of trying to get him medical attention right away, she agrees to help clean the house? That doesn't make sense. Diana could have just called 911 if Kelsey wouldn't take him. I believe Diana was more involved than she claimed.
Kelsey just didn't want to lose her sugar daddy. Thomas was gullible and his partner, knowing that he's suffering from confusion, should not have let him go. Ultimately, his lust for beautiful looking women proved to be his downfall. Very cruel druggie and users!
It seems he wanted to help her because she was a single mother. As a child psychiatrist he's probably well versed in understanding childhood trauma and knows that a single mother engaging in certain employment opportunities have a higher risk of trauma to them and their children.
What a dang cheek, she says " you only get one life so I'm living mine to the fullest " whilst callously stealing someone else's, greedy, avaricious little trollop. 😡
This is crazy! I'm sure the boyfriend killed him as Kelsey called the shots! I'll tell you what, if my bf or husband was sending money like that to women, I wouldn't be with him. Period! Idk how on earth she put up with that!
I don't think anything was found on the phone I think she had this all planned and knew what to say to get her boyfriend to do it she caused it to happen think she thought she would get away with it because she didn't physically do it and probably wanted to see what money she could get from him after he died ..also thinking drugs use my of been involved wirh these people it's pure evilness and it's sickening no mercy given .
It amazes me, especially this day and age, how these gold diggers think that their gravy train will go on forever. Also amazes me that the sugar daddy never thinks that one day he will pay for his indiscretions. All for money. They can't take it with them. I've never seen a u-haul truck being towed by a Hurst. Unbelievable.
not really an indiscretion if his partner knew about it and was ok with it... i wouldnt be, but a lot of menopausal women dont want to be sexually intimate and just want partnership so they dont mind if their partner gets it from somewhere else
Something seems off about the dementia part.. still practicing in mental health. Didn’t anyone notice , I know there are some that are very good at covering but?????
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Unless I missed it, I can’t believe drugs and alcohol were not mentioned in this horrific slaughter of this wonderful, generous man. 😢What a loss to those he helped, would have helped.
There's a clear difference between blood and red wine?!? I guess maybe if the worst of it had been cleaned up already. Idk still I think I'd known the difference
I'm so embarrassed to I used to be a sugar I completely stopped because I had got scammed by some of them and some of them wanted more than what I had said that I wanted I was only looking for somebody to talk
@melissamirabal, don't feel embarrassed. I was actually a sugar baby many years ago and I did go on a few dates but I met my husband that way and we're still married! Try telling people when asked "how did you two meet". We finally decided to make up how we met.
Sounds to me that Thomas may have dealt with a Savior Complex. If he left it directed at his career of helping young people in crisis he would be fine. But he needed to save more people, one of whom was certainly undeserving, and it cost him his life.
Just wanted to say, I love my psychiatrist. One visit, changed my life. None of that talk therapy rubbish. He diagnosed me with type 2 bipolar that day. Sent me for extensive testing with a clinical psychologist, Found out I have ADHD inattentive type and Autism. If you’re seeing psychologists and it’s not helping, seems like they don’t get it, feels like a waste of time etc see a psychiatrist. There’s a reason they get paid the big bucks!
This poor old man who did nothing but help people and because of his dementia he was easily used by this evil evil c UN t. It’s so sad. Too bad Judy couldn’t have had the wherewithal to get help for John before he left to see this psycho
I’m sorry, married men who did this are cheating and it is wrong. He didn’t deserve to die by any means, don’t get me wrong. It’s just so sad his life is over all because he met this awful woman.
I swear when victim is a Senior you catch an Enhancement charge on top of ur Initial charges-meaning LIFE no matter what… Kelsey deserves to leave in Box IMHO -not sorry.
Nah. He didn't want her to go to police because he is a freak. Im not usually quick to judge.. but this dude gives me the absolute creeps. You don't avoid going to the police because you are innocent. Period.
In my 20’s , there was a chance for me to have a Sugar Daddy, but me being a moral decent person, I realized what it is, and my dad came and saved me. I know women who did this.
I myself am not the type to want a sugar daddy. But I also think it's important that we do not judge people on how they make their money. If it's consensual, it's none of our business. If you are actually a morally decent person, you'd know not to judge women/people on choices that aren't hurtful.
@@TheOriginalCK morally decent people judge worse people all the time. people who say "dont judge" are just ashamed of their decisions and if thats the case they shouldnt make them.
@@barbrothers2uhhh or the ones who say don’t judge are open minded and let others be themselves bc only God can judge. ever thought of that? lol you sound ridiculous lol
I’ll never understand these guys who commit murders for women. The women alway get short sentences and the men always spend the rest of their lives in prison.
"Some men send women money for nothing" - "Alex, what is a Simp". As for Thomas not going to police over the false CA allegations, for far too many people the accusation is its own the proof. If they were accused, they obviously had to have done SOMETHING to be accused" As a psychiatrist, Thomas would know this.
To me it seems she was really successful in her modeling career, so I wish she would have been just content with what she had and that it had never went so far. So sorry for Thomas, a generous man who was ready to help the homeless, drug addicts, etc. 🕊
I find the whole situation o be obscene - and think she and her ilk are grifters and nar’do wells who got angry when the gravy train came to an end. Let the rot. My sincere Condolences to his loved ones - and the ones who loved him. Good lord….. 😢😢😢. Sidebar - if he was a pedo why was he spending his money on a skanky Ho…….??? Rhetorical.
Exactly, he was obviously not a pedo. He had normal male desires and it was fine with his live in partner. But this terrible person caught him up in her evil snare.He was too naive and probably thought she actually cared for him and he was way too patient, that's about it.
So Diana @ 30, didn't believe Tom in the back of the car when he said "I'm scared they're going to kill me"? Why didn't she just take the keys & him to the hospital in the Mercedes while THEY cleaned up? Or hey, call 911 or a taxi, Uber, something!!!(If she's Soo worried about him)Duh... But she goes upstairs to help them clean first? At 30 she's one fry short of a Happy Meal, not real bright. I'm not buying her whole story.
I knew her personally. Up until she moved to California. She has always been very self centered and diagnosed Bi polar. Pathology lied and would purposely go off her meds. I loved her daughter very much but she was not a good mother. She married my ex husband best friend, immediately got pregnant while she was living at ASU. She then got with some guy and left them to do her own thing. That didn’t work out so she started dating my ex husbands other best friend, 😮her ex husband’s best friend too. Immediately got pregnant with her son, convinced him to join the military. Took his sign on bonus and got a boob job and tummy tuck. Moved to California with that guy. Left him and started lying about who she is and was living a false reality life. She’s not Russian. She wasn’t in playboy. Some of this info you’re saying is wrong. I’m sorry. I don’t mean any disrespect but I was there. There’s a lot left out and a lot of facts wrong. When I heard about this doctor getting murdered by her, I knew she did it and she was the one who instigated it. She has caused fights between men a lot. My exhusband fought her last husband because she was freeloading and making me take care of her kid. So we called her out on it. Told her to get back on her meds. The entire Halloween night she tried to instigate fights. Invited women who didn’t like me, tried to spread lies, had her man at the time “defend” her. But I was friends with her before she got with my man’s friends. I knew how she was. I didn’t play into it. So she took it to the house. She hid in the car as she told her man to come fight mine. We kicked them out the next day. She told her daughter we didn’t love her anymore and that’s why they couldn’t stay with us. Idk it’s horrible and she’s horrible. There’s a little girl here who had a horrible mentally ill mother and now has the embarrassment that her mom is in prison. The kids are the victim. I’ve known her since she was 15. There was plenty of signs and warnings. Just no one listened to me because she was “pretty” or “hot”. They got dismissed. But I knew what she was capable of. All along.
Woo Derry my they said she was Russian. She is so evil
Thank you, Erica, for the Bonus Feature: What The Video Didn't Tell Us.
I didn’t think she was Russian, nor does her name sound Russian. So this definitely clears up what suspected. Also, sure she was attractive, but she wasn’t Playboy hot, sorry. This women sounds nuts, and I’m sorry for her kids and anyone whose ever gotten involved with her.
Thank you for sharing your story as well. Very interesting and wild. Those poor children smh
Thank u for sharing. Sorry you had to go through that all the lies and fights . Have a great day .
It’s so frightening to think that this man was just trying to help this woman and his generosity got him killed
just the risks of feeding a snake
Wanting to clean the house before taking an injured person to the hospital is just insane.
Ruby Franke is on video doing that when her kid was sick.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-treewho?
I can remember rushing to clean before an ambulance arrived. Don't want the emt to know how messy we are 😆.
I CAN see wanting to clean up biological stuff quickly. I don't like the idea of it soaking into my walls. But if you're alone, it had to wait. If you have multiple people, one can stay home to clean.
I have memories of staying home to clean up blood a few times. My 2 year old brother turned the dishwasher into a step ladder, broke a glass & cut his toe to the bone. I found him, carried him upstairs and to my parents bedroom & THEY raced him to the hospital while I cleaned up the kitchen & the blood trail up the stairs.
No one wants a bloody home, but they had enough people for someone to drive him to the era while someone else stayed home to clean.
You prioritize the clean up when it's not an accident or medical event, where it's a crime scene.
It's really pathetic what greed and money can do to people. So senseless and sad
The greediness and entitlement is astounding! Did they actually think they could get rid of him and live a nice cushy life?! Good thing most criminals aren’t that bright.
I don't understand why Judy stayed with him and urged him to pay for that vile cold woman's move, if he had a roving eye why did she stay ?
More than likely the 💰 💸
She was milking him too !
I 100% agree with Judy’s assessment of Kelsey.
Bingo!!
Wow what an evil thing she is. She wasn’t a person in genuine need of assistance just a scammer. A particularly evil one at that. 😭
ABSOLUTELY
She couldn't even admit her role in the murder. What a scummy person. All of this for money. I have an idea, maybe try WORKING for a living lady. I'm glad she is behind bars but it's not long enough. She'll get out and do the same thing to someone else. It's disgusting. I feel so bad for Judy and all of his friends.
Who going to admit there part in a murder ?
The love of money is the root of all evil. Now Kelsey's life isn't so good is it. She would have been better off getting a job like most people. Rest in Peace Thomas.
honestly if she just treated him properly, he probably wouldve kept giving her money and she didnt even NEED to get a job. but ig thats too hard 🤦
This is all just so asinine, rudimentary and obvious. Moral of the story is, stay away from grifters/extortionists, especially in this guise. Why in the hell would this dude be having online interaction with young women when he has a partner anyway, baffling and daresay there's a lot more to his behaviour than was alluded to.
Yes! Thank you!
Agree!!
Red flags all over this man.
agreed, but him saying “i need to see for myself” how she was acting sounds like he was kind of addicted to her bad behavior.
@@amandamilders2550Sure he was beguiled by a white trash narcissist chick. Narcissists cast a spell. It's an entanglement. But this is another stupid stupid story about stupid stupid people told in a cadence which only leads me to believe she hopes to sound like AI which I don't understand at all!!
I always get so sad when I hear the sentences in these cases. They’re never enough. One of my best friends was murdered almost 2 years ago now & the sentencing is NEVER enough for how badly the grief changes everything around you & inside you. Families never move on no matter how hard they try. I hope his wife can find some comfort & peace in time. John & Kelsey did not get enough time for what they did to Thomas.
This is why I'm overprotective of my elderly parents. I've had a lot of scammers trying to lure my parents into shady things and luckily me & siblings caught em. It's so sad that Tom doesn't have his own kids to protect him which is why we should check up on our elderly friends!
So sweet my girls keep an eye on me too
My mom is a penny pincher and would tell someone to piss off! 😂
There is many reasons he did not have children!
Plenty of vulnerable women who would’ve had his child/children unfortunately, that is not what Tom wanted. He wanted to pay for women. He wanted to satisfy his desires. This is a hedonistic man.
They watched over us, it good we watch over them. 👍🏾❤️. My parents are so old My dad fell almost for the Microsoft computer scam and my mom almost fell for the Nigerian Prince scam. So now they go over everything with me 😂.
@@allypugliese7848are you victim blaming an old man?
Sort of sums up 'there's no fool like an old fool'.
It does stick out especially as an old “respectable” man entangling himself in the lives of such worthless individuals. I can’t say a lot because I’m a fool too. But I don’t want to grow old and still be so vulnerable to manipulation like he clearly was because he was so unfulfilled with a simple life.
As soon as you said “ he liked to help vulnerable women in his practice”Huge red flag 🚩
Ive learned the hard way: DONT HELP (STRANGER) WOMEN,
1) There are many substitutes, generally many ppl are willing to help women.
2) Gratefulness is different, women expect help, men dont, and will be grateful to you for the rest of their lives.
3) Women, faster than men, come to believe the assistance is a right and duty, and get ANGRY if you stop.
4) Women are more compelling socially, and whereas a man starts out guilty, it is immensely hard work/impossible to restore an innocent reputation if she decides to weave a story.
5) If when you step back and look at the situation, no matter how dressed up it is, the situation fits broadly into the definition of prostitution, then be SURE to discuss this openly, frequently. I lady who does not want to confront her own prostitution will destroy the whole world if it means being able stay in denial.
I was friends with a lady, and when I rejected her romantically she walked around and told everyone in the town that it was because I was sleeping with her young daughter. This is a lady I helped move from zero.
Which brings me to my last point. Most ladies wont help a stranger. Even beggars know to go after men 90% of the time. Since they dont help strangers as readily, every time a man pays attention, whether she is interested or not, she assumes he has romantic interest, and he will automatically reciprocate if she decides she wants you.
Because they're either creep or weak..
@@allypugliese7848 - I am afraid there is indeed more to his behaviour than the official narrative is telling us. As is usually the case with these matters.
Being a victim does not equal to not having contributed to a horrific situation. But people are so conditioned that they are too afraid of "victim blaming/shaming" (especially when the victim is female) that they ignore red flags and wrong behaviour of a victim and by doing so the case is often presented totally distorted.
@@saymyname2417 Correct.
@@saymyname2417very well said
Are u saying there's such a person out there that'll pay for everything an want nothing in return but conversion where?
3200$ a month for rent is nuts then hearing he spent 500k jn a year on her is WILD! All Kelsey had to do was be a normal human! He probably would have married her lol
This case is to sad. I wish she would have gotten a longer for conviction for taking this poor man's life. She was a money hungry monster and that poor man had to suffer because of it. I truly believe she deserved life without parole for pushing her boyfriend to hurt this elderly man that did nothing but help her financially.
It's always fun when Rachel explains things. I was LOLing a little watching her try to explain findom/paypig relationships in a youtube friendly way
Where are the men who simply enjoy sending money to women? Asking for a friend 😉
Right. I thought of the same thing.
Omg girl… how did I not know you were a doctor!! That’s amazing!!
If he was showing signs of dementia, how is he still working? Why did she let him go alone to Las Vegas if that was the truth? That doesn’t seem correct. If my husband or boyfriend was giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to some other women, I would be out of there too. There’s definitely something going on. If he was “just helping “ then he would be helping everyone, not just young hot women. And this psycho burned through money like water. If she was working and getting her car and rent paid and had roommates where the heck was all her money going? Must’ve been drugs involved as well or plastic surgeries or something. And some people can’t even afford groceries. 🙄
Yep agree the old Doc not helping the independent women any those he thought were vulnerable (CREEPER) as for his partner she is no different to the murders living off him and adding the Doc to be a CREEPER
I don’t feel good about the hole situation all the people apart from the 2 that left the house give me the creeps .
He was in the early stages of dementia. Generally a person can function quite well maintaining their usual routine & being in a familiar environment
s@@fabiwilliams4644 agree, i still think she couldve accompanied him to vegas, but no reason he cant work. my dad has had early stage dementia for years and was basically fine, travelled to other countries alone and such. only reason i say she could've accompanied him is bc of WHO he was going to see. but people need to stop acting like people with early stage dementia are infants that should be watched 24/7
@@allypugliese7848 well you type like someone with a sub80 IQ so no surprise that your takes are equally as bad. also, Judy his fiance literally worked so how is she living off of him? And even if she was, why do you care? He isnt a creep unless he is going after women nonconsensually.. but these women are consenting because they want money so why are we excusing them and blaming him?
@@fabiwilliams4644 but she let him go alone to Vegas. That’s two huge international airports. Then she’s saying he got lost in the local grocery store parking lots. I know he’s a grown man that can do what he wants but I’d be going with my partner if he couldn’t manage a parking lot but wanted to travel states. I don’t know how to say it without sounding victim blamey. It’s obviously not her fault but he shouldn’t be traveling alone in that condition.
How could the 'Cleaning Crew" not know the difference (consistency, hue) of wine versus blood?😤😒 It's terrible when ANYONE takes advantage of elders with dementia. Smh.
And horrible that he was a cheater
You know dang well that people around him warned of the dangers of being a Captain Save'em Ho'.
I work with children who have been victimized and false allegations of child abuse absolutely boil my blood. What a waste of resources.
An “Alford plea” is named after a U.S. Supreme Court case that allows for sentencing a defendant who maintains their innocence. An Alford-type guilty plea means the defendant decided it would be better to take a known sentence than to take their chances in a criminal trial.
Why would someone take an Alford plea?
Defendants usually enter an Alford guilty plea if they want to avoid a possible worse sentence were they to lose the case against them at trial. It affords defendants the ability to accept a plea bargain, while maintaining innocence.
Thanks for explaining.
I'm really confused how she's this model for Playboy, and she can't sign a lease for a house for herself?....
Playboy doesn't hire models for their intellectual abilities.....
@@IronmanV5I'm saying where did all her money go?
Also it's clear that your comment is sexist and moronic. But.. that wasn't part of my question or argument.
@@aceykrew5207 Expensive meals and/or drinks, expensive vacations, "pharmaceuticals", etc, etc.
Playboy doesn't pay squat unless you're playmate of the yr
Where are the rest of these men that get gratification from the act of giving money?
As the Eagle song goes "Don't you draw the queen of diamonds boy, she'll beat you when she's able- you know the queen of hearts is always your best bet."
Rachel even during Christmas week you are slaying! Thank you for a wonderful upload. ❤
Happy holidays!
Oh wow! I have an ex that sent a woman money from the phillapines, I believe it fed his ego.
@@ToniThompson-rl3mpAlso, is gives them leverage over the other woman. They “need” him for money, so they’ll stick around longer & maybe even give favors in exchange for money. I’m sorry you had to go through that. It would be a huge betrayal of trust, for sure!
Merry Christmas @@RachelShannon
i am so embarrased for this lady - and him going for 20ish girls is a hop skip jump away from minors due to his age
Beautiful women are attractive to all hetero men. It's just a rule of nature. You must be a mere child not to realize that even older men have eyes!
Humans don't have many imprinted behaviors... We all imprint on family, we imprint sympathetically as in, we see the anxiety levels of typically our mother, and assume that as our own lifelong baseline, but then there is human sexual imprinting, which is a bit of a special case. Only men do it, women do not.
But men imprint on what will be the partner they'll seek out at a very young age, most often a young adult woman, at the peak of fecundity.
So while men do typically date and pair with mates around their own age for social and whatever other reasons, what men are attracted to is the same, and unchanging, from age 4 to 14 to 40 to 400.
Women are fundamentally different, some say they have multiple ideals at any given time, others that they have just one, but all agree that it is plastic, and always changing, not some programmed thing as it is with men.
With all due respect, I am having a hard time deciding who out of this bunch was the dumbest. Thomas never saw any of the million obvious red flags about Kelsey and kept on getting swallowed by her web of lies and deceit.Thomas’s wife allowed him to fall for this nonsense and even go and visit Kelsey after all the threats and lies. Kelsey leaves a dead man in her car, with his wallet, his ID and credit cards in his pocket, (sure the police wouldn’t put 2 and 2 together) Seriously??!! Wow…
Kelsey was upset she was getting cut off and she wouldn't have that lifestyle anymore
he liked to give money to young women who were in need, this one was a Playboy model, so she wasnt poor
Homely as hell nothing EVEN cute in about her💩
HOLY SHIT! 500,000 DOLLARS!! DAYAM!
Rachel you are a very good speaker. Enjoying your videos.
Thank you!
Except your strange diction... 😢
Rachel Shannon, I believe you meant to say *HIS body was found in HER car*...
At 5:16 I thought you were saying “she likes to show off what she has to offer. Nothing” I was like damn Rachel 🤣
I enjoy your content Rachel keep doing what your doing ❤
This girl ended up somehow getting on the reality TV show Love after lock and people were outraged the they would allow that on WE TV . She was trying to hook up with one of the guys from some site called caged ladies or something like that .
She flat out used this poor man an then when he found out for himself she constantly lied he told her he was done and she decided then he was dead! She got mad because she couldn't use him anymore how pathetic.
She could be blackmailing him.
Im a newer sub 2 weeks in i love your channel and your compassion towards the victims
Thanks so much!
@@RachelShannon😊
Hello Rachel thanks for sharing this story.❤
Thanks for watching!
I love your channel thank you I have liked 👍 and subscribed❤. I seriously don't believe that a cleaning crew , wouldn't know the difference between blud and red wine, I have cleaned for years and would definitely know the difference between wine and a crime scene, even a cleaned one 😭
If Diana was completely innocent, why didn't she demand that they take Thomas to the hospital? He was bleeding and had just be violently attacked. So instead of trying to get him medical attention right away, she agrees to help clean the house? That doesn't make sense. Diana could have just called 911 if Kelsey wouldn't take him. I believe Diana was more involved than she claimed.
Wouldn't you be very afraid of somebody so callous and evil. Diana was probably scared to death of her.
I agree...I mean who would want family or friends like this
Nothing is for free… Who knows what was going on between him and the women he was helping 🤷🏻♀️
Agreed definitely more to the story and sounds like he was addicted to finding young beautiful women..
Kelsey just didn't want to lose her sugar daddy. Thomas was gullible and his partner, knowing that he's suffering from confusion, should not have let him go. Ultimately, his lust for beautiful looking women proved to be his downfall. Very cruel druggie and users!
It seems he wanted to help her because she was a single mother. As a child psychiatrist he's probably well versed in understanding childhood trauma and knows that a single mother engaging in certain employment opportunities have a higher risk of trauma to them and their children.
😅😅😅 let's be hon3st th3y did it h3 cheated shouldn't have stepped out on your wife buddy to be q doctor so sad so dumb
Women have far more power over men than they realize. This one, however, knew what she had and how to use it.
I live like an hour and a half from Jonesboro and I haven’t heard of this. Crazy.
Me either! I’m 20 mins south of Jonesboro
I love your hair here!!! It’s perfect
I like how your hair matches the flowers in the background.
Just discovered you. Really loving the content and how you tell the story. I will continue watching. Thank you!
Hi Rachel, great to see another brilliant true crime upload from your good self. Seasons greetings to you with love and best wishes from the UK ❤.
What a dang cheek, she says " you only get one life so I'm living mine to the fullest " whilst callously stealing someone else's, greedy, avaricious little trollop. 😡
Thank you for showing a fair balance in this case ❤
This is crazy! I'm sure the boyfriend killed him as Kelsey called the shots!
I'll tell you what, if my bf or husband was sending money like that to women, I wouldn't be with him. Period! Idk how on earth she put up with that!
Right unless she didn't care anymore it was just about there image and comfortable lifestyle
I don't think anything was found on the phone I think she had this all planned and knew what to say to get her boyfriend to do it she caused it to happen think she thought she would get away with it because she didn't physically do it and probably wanted to see what money she could get from him after he died ..also thinking drugs use my of been involved wirh these people it's pure evilness and it's sickening no mercy given .
She was not that pretty lmao
Don't have to be that pretty as long as they are easy!
Kelsey is a horrible horrible person.
Agreed
It amazes me, especially this day and age, how these gold diggers think that their gravy train will go on forever. Also amazes me that the sugar daddy never thinks that one day he will pay for his indiscretions. All for money. They can't take it with them. I've never seen a u-haul truck being towed by a Hurst. Unbelievable.
not really an indiscretion if his partner knew about it and was ok with it... i wouldnt be, but a lot of menopausal women dont want to be sexually intimate and just want partnership so they dont mind if their partner gets it from somewhere else
Something seems off about the dementia part.. still practicing in mental health. Didn’t anyone notice , I know there are some that are very good at covering but?????
Hi Rachel I've tried leaving you so many comments. You've come across my feed and I subscribed. Our names rock lol 😆. I love the way you deliver these cases and enjoy watching and listening to you ❤️🦋🌺🥰🤗🌻🌟. I forgot to mention that I just found you a few weeks ago and I binged watched your videos and so the comments I've left were on the past few videos you did but I'm always late so you probably haven't seen any of them. I hope you see this one ❤
Just found your channel and I love it. I love monotone voices and crime docs lol they’re my lullaby.
Bunch of cases I haven’t heard of to binge here!
Unless I missed it, I can’t believe drugs and alcohol were not mentioned in this horrific slaughter of this wonderful, generous man. 😢What a loss to those he helped, would have helped.
There's a clear difference between blood and red wine?!? I guess maybe if the worst of it had been cleaned up already. Idk still I think I'd known the difference
I really like the way you detailed the story of this heinous crime thank you.
I just love your channel. Really enjoy them. Thank you for all you do.
Thanks for another interesting video!
The word back is implied by the word return, so basically it is not necessary to use back. Just return is enough.
Only 10 to 25 years?! so basically probably 10 years for murder. That’s crazy. 😢
I'm so embarrassed to I used to be a sugar I completely stopped because I had got scammed by some of them and some of them wanted more than what I had said that I wanted I was only looking for somebody to talk
Omg
@melissamirabal, don't feel embarrassed. I was actually a sugar baby many years ago and I did go on a few dates but I met my husband that way and we're still married! Try telling people when asked "how did you two meet". We finally decided to make up how we met.
Sounds to me that Thomas may have dealt with a Savior Complex. If he left it directed at his career of helping young people in crisis he would be fine. But he needed to save more people, one of whom was certainly undeserving, and it cost him his life.
Hi Rachel, 👋🏻☺️ Happy Saturday; thanks for the upload.🎁 Happy Holidays honey! 🎋🪔
Just wanted to say, I love my psychiatrist. One visit, changed my life. None of that talk therapy rubbish. He diagnosed me with type 2 bipolar that day. Sent me for extensive testing with a clinical psychologist, Found out I have ADHD inattentive type and Autism. If you’re seeing psychologists and it’s not helping, seems like they don’t get it, feels like a waste of time etc see a psychiatrist. There’s a reason they get paid the big bucks!
Right
Everyone is diagnosed with bipolar, ADHD and autism now a days.
@melindaroop1346 I think that has a lot to do with greater awareness, less stigmatisation and better treatment options.
This poor old man who did nothing but help people and because of his dementia he was easily used by this evil evil c UN t. It’s so sad. Too bad Judy couldn’t have had the wherewithal to get help for John before he left to see this psycho
Noelle Belle AMEN
I’m sorry, married men who did this are cheating and it is wrong. He didn’t deserve to die by any means, don’t get me wrong. It’s just so sad his life is over all because he met this awful woman.
I swear when victim is a Senior you catch an Enhancement charge on top of ur Initial charges-meaning LIFE no matter what… Kelsey deserves to leave in Box IMHO -not sorry.
Thats old man has secrets and skeletons innhis closet they make him out to be this amazing person. I dont believe it for a second.
Nah. He didn't want her to go to police because he is a freak. Im not usually quick to judge.. but this dude gives me the absolute creeps. You don't avoid going to the police because you are innocent. Period.
In my 20’s , there was a chance for me to have a Sugar Daddy, but me being a moral decent person, I realized what it is, and my dad came and saved me. I know women who did this.
Some women don't have fathers
I myself am not the type to want a sugar daddy. But I also think it's important that we do not judge people on how they make their money. If it's consensual, it's none of our business. If you are actually a morally decent person, you'd know not to judge women/people on choices that aren't hurtful.
@@TheOriginalCK morally decent people judge worse people all the time. people who say "dont judge" are just ashamed of their decisions and if thats the case they shouldnt make them.
@@barbrothers2uhhh or the ones who say don’t judge are open minded and let others be themselves bc only God can judge. ever thought of that? lol
you sound ridiculous lol
Very judgemental comment.
I'm 47 and still joke about a sugar daddy lol
The saying is true-“there’s no fool, like an old fool.”
R.i.p., Thomas. He didn't deserve this.
I’ll never understand these guys who commit murders for women. The women alway get short sentences and the men always spend the rest of their lives in prison.
An old axiom applies:
There's no fool like an old fool.
I couldn't do it, it's not about the money I'm 39 and wouldn't entertain being in a relationship with someone 30-40 years my senior. 🤢🤮
Why can't every woman be like Rachel and just joke about having sugar daddies?? Lol
This was a really good one Rachel, this lady took the Alford plea, shows what a nitemare of women she was, couldn't accept anything with the death..😮
I have seen this case on the ID channel 😢😢😢
Tom was only guilty of one thing being a gullible chump. R I P poor Tom.
Why do fools fall in “Love” ? ❤️❤️❤️
What a pair of See You Next Tuesdays. I am being abused by women too. After seeing this I will end the abuse.
"Some men send women money for nothing" - "Alex, what is a Simp".
As for Thomas not going to police over the false CA allegations, for far too many people the accusation is its own the proof. If they were accused, they obviously had to have done SOMETHING to be accused"
As a psychiatrist, Thomas would know this.
To me it seems she was really successful in her modeling career, so I wish she would have been just content with what she had and that it had never went so far. So sorry for Thomas, a generous man who was ready to help the homeless, drug addicts, etc. 🕊
Love the hair
Wow you are very smart
I find the whole situation o be obscene - and think she and her ilk are grifters and nar’do wells who got angry when the gravy train came to an end. Let the rot. My sincere Condolences to his loved ones - and the ones who loved him. Good lord….. 😢😢😢. Sidebar - if he was a pedo why was he spending his money on a skanky Ho…….??? Rhetorical.
Exactly, he was obviously not a pedo. He had normal male desires and it was fine with his live in partner. But this terrible person caught him up in her evil snare.He was too naive and probably thought she actually cared for him and he was way too patient, that's about it.
So Diana @ 30, didn't believe Tom in the back of the car when he said "I'm scared they're going to kill me"? Why didn't she just take the keys & him to the hospital in the Mercedes while THEY cleaned up? Or hey, call 911 or a taxi, Uber, something!!!(If she's Soo worried about him)Duh... But she goes upstairs to help them clean first? At 30 she's one fry short of a Happy Meal, not real bright. I'm not buying her whole story.