I love this chn. Listening from Perth Australia. My fav podcast too. Amazing insight and this is how it’s done! No pretence, just pure love of the scriptures. Thank you so much for your example. ❤️⭐️
Thank you so much for reminding and explaining how much we are blessed to have the Restored Gospel as a guide through this life. I appreciate every lesson you share and this one is extra special. ❤️👍🏻❤️👍🏻
I'm listening to this podcast and scripture gem's, per a challenge from a dear brother at church, for this year. I love this! I've learned things I ever thought there was.
Fantastic, my heart is full because of the beautiful way you’ve expressed Heavenly Fathers mercy, love and patience amidst His order He has to follow and can’t deviate from. Thank you! I’ll remember that, promise. 👍
Part of the righteousness sent down from Heaven is surely the Nobel and great ones reserved to come to earth in these last days, to continue to valiantly fight evil and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Salavation
From Elder Cook "You will face emotional and spiritual challenges that most of your pioneer ancestors could never have imagined.” Unless the younger generation honors the pioneers’ great legacy of love and service, he added, “many of you will fail because you will not be able to survive on your own."
I do enjoy listening to your lessons. I have never got to see anything but the blue caption, I don't know if I'm the only one that has this experience but it hasn't stopped me from learning, growing and understanding the gospel more. Thank you so much for taking the time to share these insites every week.
At the start of every episode we direct listeners to talkingscripture.org where you can view all the slides and show notes for the lesson material. Bryce and I also have our pictures on the main podcast portion of the website.
Nice catch Bruce. I think we get into it a bit with the strange curse upon Canaan by Noah at the end of Genesis 9. The podcast covering the strange curse in Gen. 9 comes out in a couple of days, and we recorded it a while ago, so I cannot remember exactly how deep we get into it (the rabbit hole can go far - see below) The irony to the curse given is that Canaan is nowhere in the story, it is Ham acting inappropriately (whatever the text is trying to convey in this passage). This kind of thing is related to the discussion I write about here: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2019/10/26/questions-about-2-nephi-521-and-3rd-nephi-214-15/ I (Mike Day) see this and the passage at the end of Gen. 9 as an etiological tale. See: See: Aaron, David. “Early Rabbinic Exegesis on Noah’s Son Ham and the So-Called ‘Hamatic Myth.’” Journal of the American Academy of Religion 63.4 (1995): 721-59. Bergsma, John Seitze and Scott Walker Hahn. “Noah’s Nakedness and the Curse of Canaan (Genesis 9:20-27).” Journal of Biblical Literature 121 (2005): 25-40. Hayes, Stephan. Noah’s Curse: The Biblical Justification of American Slavery. New York and Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2002. Johnson, Sylvester A. The Myth of Ham in Nineteenth-Century American Christianity: Race, Heathens, and the People of God. New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2004. Koltun-Fromm, Naomi. “Araphat and the Rabbis on Noah’s Righteousness in Light of Jewish-Christian Polemic.” In The Book of Genesis in Jewish and Oriental Exegesis. Edited by Judith Frishman and Lucus van Rompey, 52-72. Leuven: Peeters, 1997. Steinmetz, Deborah. “Vineyard, Farm and Garden: The Drunkenness of Noah in the Context of Primeval History.” Journal of Biblical Literature 113 (1994): 193-207.
I've always heard, that most people liken God, to their own Father's. My father and step dad were not kind people, so I had for years, thought God was mean, and takes pleasure in His cruelty toward me, but I've changed views.
Question: if Satan was allowed on this planet only, why do we read his response to God “I am doing that which has been done on other worlds” #2 I love the notion that Satan was not needed for God to create a place that would give free agency to operate by faith to over come the world. Any suggestions where I can learn more? My daughter thinks we should thank Satan for his “essential role “ in salvation by providing the influences and temptations offering us a choice between good and evil. I more than welcome anyone’s input 💫
Hi Cindy. Pay really close attention to what he says. The point isn’t that someone else was doing it in another world. The point is that someone else did it and didn’t get in trouble. Satan was getting upset that he was being punished for doing something that someone else did and the implication is that that person didn’t get in trouble. So the real question is: who could have given the fruit to some other world’s Adam and Eve and NOT gotten in trouble for doing so? I think that’s the real doctrine there.
We should not thank Satan for the fall. We should thank God for the fall. The fall was part of the program for the beginning. Satan was trying to alter things. His plan, as taught in the book of Mormon, was to get Adam and eve to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and then rush them over and have them partake of the tree of life. That would have ruined our probationary state and denied us a chance to repent. See Alma 5 and Alma 42. Luckily, God stopped Satan and placed cherubim and the flaming sword in front of the tree of life so that they couldn’t partake of it. So it wasn’t Satan that was being brilliant here, it was God who has been brilliant here by stopping Satan’s subtle plan. God‘s plan from the very beginning was that they fell.
I personally think that it was the Lord himself that planned to offer Adam and Eve the fruit so they could choose to initiate the fall when they were ready and had been thoroughly prepared. I think Satan had in his mind that he would frustrate the Lord's plan by getting them to take the fruit prematurely, before they had been properly prepared. Thus, Satan says he had offered the fruit to Adam and Eve as had been done in other worlds. But he intended to destroy the plan by offering it to them before they were ready
Tuning in from Denham Springs, Louisiana, United States. I love the fact that y'all referenced the Nephilim. Their skeletons are being discovered all across the middle east. The Book of Enoch must have some truth to it if evidence is being found.
No parent wants to kill the children they ❤️, it hurts a good parent to have to disaplin their children, but his children still with him are scared to be born unto evil abusive parents
So I have a question if someone can answer it for me. So is Christ the Savior for all of those worlds so none of them could be resurrected until he came down to this world and was resurrected
First of all: yes, Jesus is the Savior of all of Heavenly Father’s worlds (D&C 76:24). Joseph wrote a poetic version of that verse in which he renders it like this: “And I heard a great voice, bearing record from heav'n, He's the Saviour, and only begotten of God- By him, of him, and through him, the worlds were all made, Even all that career in the heavens so broad. Whose inhabitants, too, from the first to the last, Are sav'd by the very same Saviour of ours; And, of course, are begotten God's daughters and sons, By the very same truths, and the very same pow'rs” (Joseph Smith, Messages of the First Presidency, 1:162). As far as the other part of your question goes, the atoment of Christ became effective, not when he performed it here on our earth, but when he accepted the assignment in premortal life. Hence we can all, not just the book of Mormon prophets, but everyone on every planet, say, “whosoever should believe that Christ should come, the same might receive remission of their sins, and rejoice with exceedingly great joy, even as though he had already come among them.” (Mosiah 3:13).
I don't agree. I think the reason this chapter is flying solo, is to help inspire us become a Zion people. Also, God does not cry because they die, or he is punishing them. He cries because after giving them everything, they don't choose him, they don't keep the commandments, they don't repent. God's nature is awesome, and insightful, but secondary.
“…and misery shall be their doom; and the whole heavens shall weep over them, even all the workmanship of mine hands; wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?” Moses 7:37
If we cannot comprehend the nature of God & our Savior, we also won't be able to comprehend how to live in a Zion society. We won't be able to be a Zion people. I feel the passages on Zion & talks like E'Eyring's "Sisters in Zion" are meant to be motivating reasons to better understand God's nature. As they discussed, understanding how & why God would weep over His wicked children is also critical to understand. As we understand, we also weep over them. It is this understanding that molds us & helps us to be found worthy to participate in a Zion society. To embrace the Atonement & repent continuously, etc, etc. To me, that is why this doctrine of understanding God's nature is critical & why they would choose it as the central message of these passages.
I love this chn. Listening from Perth Australia. My fav podcast too. Amazing insight and this is how it’s done! No pretence, just pure love of the scriptures. Thank you so much for your example. ❤️⭐️
Extremely beautiful this class I love it is a treasure Moses 7 thanks brothers for sharing this wonderful class
You are very welcome!
Thank you so much for reminding and explaining how much we are blessed to have the Restored Gospel as a guide through this life. I appreciate every lesson you share and this one is extra special. ❤️👍🏻❤️👍🏻
I'm listening to this podcast and scripture gem's, per a challenge from a dear brother at church, for this year. I love this! I've learned things I ever thought there was.
Thanks for checking out the podcast!
I love your podcasts- the information, the inspiration, and truth combine in a powerful way. Thank you for s lifetime of study and dedication!
Wow, thank you!
Fantastic, my heart is full because of the beautiful way you’ve expressed Heavenly Fathers mercy, love and patience amidst His order He has to follow and can’t deviate from. Thank you!
I’ll remember that, promise. 👍
Part of the righteousness sent down from Heaven is surely the Nobel and great ones reserved to come to earth in these last days, to continue to valiantly fight evil and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Salavation
Powerful to my spirit of truth. I just wept as we studied chapter 7 of Moses. Thank you
I reviewed this podcast today and was struck by so many points. This is wonderful and brings hope!
From Elder Cook
"You will face emotional and spiritual challenges that most of your pioneer ancestors could never have imagined.”
Unless the younger generation honors the pioneers’ great legacy of love and service, he added, “many of you will fail because you will not be able to survive on your own."
That’s a great quote. Do you know the reference?
Oh it’s in the Liahona for January.
I do enjoy listening to your lessons. I have never got to see anything but the blue caption, I don't know if I'm the only one that has this experience but it hasn't stopped me from learning, growing and understanding the gospel more. Thank you so much for taking the time to share these insites every week.
I don’t think they make a video, it’s audio only. Maybe someday they’ll be able to let us see their faces and their slides.
At the start of every episode we direct listeners to talkingscripture.org where you can view all the slides and show notes for the lesson material. Bryce and I also have our pictures on the main podcast portion of the website.
The slides for Moses 7, along with the show notes are here: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2022/01/08/moses-7-quotes-and-notes/
Very well explained such a great insight into the scriptures
THANKYOU THE
Thank you for sharing this lesson it was to learn from you guys 👍.
Our pleasure!
“God’s ultimate purpose in judgment is never destruction, but restoration.”
His character is to cleanse to restore
Wow! This is amazing! Thank you!
Love your description of God being "the third base coach waving you home" rather than an umpire.
Thanks....gracias hermanos.
That part of satan possibly only being here ? Spoke truth to me and answered a question I had put a pin in:):) thank you:)
Brilliant
my heart is bursting with love for the Savior. Thank you for such truths that your podcast magnify
.Rosemary
We live In a realm.. the globe is a graven image ..
I was hoping for y our take on v. 8 of Moses 7.
Nice catch Bruce. I think we get into it a bit with the strange curse upon Canaan by Noah at the end of Genesis 9. The podcast covering the strange curse in Gen. 9 comes out in a couple of days, and we recorded it a while ago, so I cannot remember exactly how deep we get into it (the rabbit hole can go far - see below) The irony to the curse given is that Canaan is nowhere in the story, it is Ham acting inappropriately (whatever the text is trying to convey in this passage).
This kind of thing is related to the discussion I write about here: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2019/10/26/questions-about-2-nephi-521-and-3rd-nephi-214-15/
I (Mike Day) see this and the passage at the end of Gen. 9 as an etiological tale. See:
See: Aaron, David. “Early Rabbinic Exegesis on Noah’s Son Ham and the So-Called ‘Hamatic Myth.’” Journal of the
American Academy of Religion 63.4 (1995): 721-59.
Bergsma, John Seitze and Scott Walker Hahn. “Noah’s Nakedness and the Curse of Canaan (Genesis 9:20-27).”
Journal of Biblical Literature 121 (2005): 25-40.
Hayes, Stephan. Noah’s Curse: The Biblical Justification of American Slavery. New York and Oxford: Oxford
University Press, 2002.
Johnson, Sylvester A. The Myth of Ham in Nineteenth-Century American Christianity: Race, Heathens, and the
People of God. New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2004.
Koltun-Fromm, Naomi. “Araphat and the Rabbis on Noah’s Righteousness in Light of Jewish-Christian Polemic.” In
The Book of Genesis in Jewish and Oriental Exegesis. Edited by Judith Frishman and Lucus van Rompey, 52-72.
Leuven: Peeters, 1997.
Steinmetz, Deborah. “Vineyard, Farm and Garden: The Drunkenness of Noah in the Context of Primeval History.”
Journal of Biblical Literature 113 (1994): 193-207.
I've always heard, that most people liken God, to their own Father's. My father and step dad were not kind people, so I had for years, thought God was mean, and takes pleasure in His cruelty toward me, but I've changed views.
Wish I could put faces to you guys voices, do y'all have any photos online, thanks.
talkingscripture.org/
Are you able to recommend a book that describes how the Bible was put together? Something that unpacks the history of how the Bible came to be.
This may be useful to you: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2017/12/01/howd-we-get-the-bible-the-short-version/
The books and resources in the footnotes will help as well in unpacking your question.
@@talkingscripture That's a great summary, thank you
Question: if Satan was allowed on this planet only, why do we read his response to God “I am doing that which has been done on other worlds”
#2 I love the notion that Satan was not needed for God to create a place that would give free agency to operate by faith to over come the world. Any suggestions where I can learn more? My daughter thinks we should thank Satan for his “essential role “ in salvation by providing the influences and temptations offering us a choice between good and evil. I more than welcome anyone’s input 💫
Hi Cindy. Pay really close attention to what he says. The point isn’t that someone else was doing it in another world. The point is that someone else did it and didn’t get in trouble. Satan was getting upset that he was being punished for doing something that someone else did and the implication is that that person didn’t get in trouble. So the real question is: who could have given the fruit to some other world’s Adam and Eve and NOT gotten in trouble for doing so? I think that’s the real doctrine there.
We should not thank Satan for the fall. We should thank God for the fall. The fall was part of the program for the beginning. Satan was trying to alter things. His plan, as taught in the book of Mormon, was to get Adam and eve to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and then rush them over and have them partake of the tree of life. That would have ruined our probationary state and denied us a chance to repent. See Alma 5 and Alma 42. Luckily, God stopped Satan and placed cherubim and the flaming sword in front of the tree of life so that they couldn’t partake of it. So it wasn’t Satan that was being brilliant here, it was God who has been brilliant here by stopping Satan’s subtle plan. God‘s plan from the very beginning was that they fell.
I personally think that it was the Lord himself that planned to offer Adam and Eve the fruit so they could choose to initiate the fall when they were ready and had been thoroughly prepared. I think Satan had in his mind that he would frustrate the Lord's plan by getting them to take the fruit prematurely, before they had been properly prepared. Thus, Satan says he had offered the fruit to Adam and Eve as had been done in other worlds. But he intended to destroy the plan by offering it to them before they were ready
D&C 29:39 2 Nephi 2: 11,15,16,23
Conference talk by president Oaks
Opposition in all things .
After ⌚ing news, I need Mike&Brice
Tuning in from Denham Springs, Louisiana, United States. I love the fact that y'all referenced the Nephilim. Their skeletons are being discovered all across the middle east. The Book of Enoch must have some truth to it if evidence is being found.
No parent wants to kill the children they ❤️, it hurts a good parent to have to disaplin their children, but his children still with him are scared to be born unto evil abusive parents
So I have a question if someone can answer it for me. So is Christ the Savior for all of those worlds so none of them could be resurrected until he came down to this world and was resurrected
First of all: yes, Jesus is the Savior of all of Heavenly Father’s worlds (D&C 76:24). Joseph wrote a poetic version of that verse in which he renders it like this: “And I heard a great voice, bearing record from heav'n,
He's the Saviour, and only begotten of God-
By him, of him, and through him, the worlds were all made,
Even all that career in the heavens so broad.
Whose inhabitants, too, from the first to the last,
Are sav'd by the very same Saviour of ours;
And, of course, are begotten God's daughters and sons,
By the very same truths, and the very same pow'rs”
(Joseph Smith, Messages of the First Presidency, 1:162).
As far as the other part of your question goes, the atoment of Christ became effective, not when he performed it here on our earth, but when he accepted the assignment in premortal life. Hence we can all, not just the book of Mormon prophets, but everyone on every planet, say, “whosoever should believe that Christ should come, the same might receive remission of their sins, and rejoice with exceedingly great joy, even as though he had already come among them.” (Mosiah 3:13).
1Ne. 19:10
I don't agree. I think the reason this chapter is flying solo, is to help inspire us become a Zion people. Also, God does not cry because they die, or he is punishing them. He cries because after giving them everything, they don't choose him, they don't keep the commandments, they don't repent. God's nature is awesome, and insightful, but secondary.
“…and misery shall be their doom; and the whole heavens shall weep over them, even all the workmanship of mine hands; wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?” Moses 7:37
If we cannot comprehend the nature of God & our Savior, we also won't be able to comprehend how to live in a Zion society. We won't be able to be a Zion people.
I feel the passages on Zion & talks like E'Eyring's "Sisters in Zion" are meant to be motivating reasons to better understand God's nature. As they discussed, understanding how & why God would weep over His wicked children is also critical to understand. As we understand, we also weep over them. It is this understanding that molds us & helps us to be found worthy to participate in a Zion society. To embrace the Atonement & repent continuously, etc, etc.
To me, that is why this doctrine of understanding God's nature is critical & why they would choose it as the central message of these passages.