There's TOO Much Classicism in East Africa| Ep. 137
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Welcome to the REPAT podcast. In this episode, we delve deep into the question: Does classism truly exist in East Africa? Join us as we examine the nuances of social stratification, economic disparities, and cultural perceptions that shape interactions within our societies.
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Classism is everywhere even in religious groups and families.
Austin was just making the observation tha there isn’t much of a middle class in East African according to his opinion which went over “mr. intellectuals head” which is a fair observation considering that America’s middle class is what obviously keeps America going. Dude responded emotionally and personally which in my opinion indicates he has an issue with Austin’s coverage of east Africa. Additionally the woman next to him (not Tina) is going based on what she’s heard about him rather than what was actually displayed. Auston may not have communicated his thoughts the best however it’s clear what he was saying.
Unfortunately Classicism is everywhere if you don't have deep pockets.
One of the best episodes EVER..hall of fame! Gabs was crawling out of his skin, looking for an in to justify classism (his own/maybe not 🤷), and had the door slammed at every attempt..big respect for Tina driving the bus on this one🌹. I live in Northern Uganda and I admit to having a different look than the local people here, Im always mistaken for being from a certain region here and when its someone from that region up in this area, they ALWAYS approach me to tell me what tribe they are from as if Im supposed to know the secret handshake. I love the look on thier face when I replay "thats very nice but that means nothing to me, Im a Black American".
Joanita, Austin Holleman might have said that because he might have not have noticed the classism in USA. Classism is in every country (including USA). However some may not notice classism in USA because most focus on one ism in USA: racism. As for getting help in USA, it's not expensive unless you import help from a foreign country because you'll need to pay for their visa. I grew up in USA in a predominately white suburb, and went to a predominately white high school. There are some Africans/Blacks. Having help isn't expensive. Regardless of nationality, race or ethnicity, what usually happens is some people employ high school kids that are at least 16 to babysit and/or pick their kids from school after their kids' school and the schools are done for the day while they're at work. So the nannies work part time on weekdays and part time on weekends during the school year. They employ high school kids to be nannies because high school kids are looking to earn extra cash without breaking your bank, in USA legally there's a limit to how many hours kids (to me teens are kids) can work, and sometimes they own a car while in high school (minimum age to start driving in USA is 16). As for lawn mowers aka shamba boys they employ lawn mower companies that mow the lawn once a week because people don't need to mow their lawns everyday. As for the chauffeur, if parent(s) doesn't drop their kids off to school, lets say in a family where one of their kids is at least 16 he or she will drop off their siblings at school on their way to their high school. In the suburb I grew up in, the mindset of high school kids are "why have a chauffeur when I can park my luxury car in the school parking lot and let everyone know my parents bought me the car, that's not my parents' car, and not somebody else's car." lol.
Racism doesnt care how much money you have🙄. If you dont understand what Holleman was saying, you are NOT his target audience
@@Silverbackugx🙄 you read my post and added your own words. Nowhere in my post did I say or imply what you said. So you are arguing with yourself.
@@RealStellaStella yea I read your post. You should rebrand yourself RealAirHead.. 🙄
@@Silverbackugx🙄 follow your own advice. You are the airhead because this is the second time you have tried to add words to my post that I never implied or said. I never argue points I never implied/said. Like I said before, go argue with yourself because what you said has nothing to do with me.
We speak about classism all the time in the US! The common folk were fighting it as a collective prior to the scouting of immigrants to keep the system flowing. The USA can only stand with classism! Remove it and the country falls. Everyone knows it and many speak out. Most just ignore it Bc they are silenced by a dollar!
Wherever you go whrever you are there's always going to be a form of ISM. Racism,classism,"colorism" etc... These things don't change overnight. Once the majority of the population is lifted out of poverty classism tend to disappear naturally.
Tina crushed this one ✊🏾. Facts and fire!! Gabs was feeling the shame of guilt in regards to this subject😂..that "nicca please 👀" side eye she gave...priceless🤣🤣, and twisted the knife with final remarks. 🙏🏾👍🏿
I know...he is a product of the same
LOL
😂 she was in the zone gabs was 🤕 lol but made some points too.
I think Gabs is a good brother and without a doubt very thoughtful but he seemed a little uncomfortable with this topic.
Gabs might be a little elitist.( Not in any malicious way)
I was in Nairobi and went to a place called Oyster Bay; I loved it. Then I went to Onyx and I enjoyed that too; but it was definitely two very different kinds of people. But I enjoyed both
No different than going to a high end restaurant all over the world then going to a fast food chain or street food stand. People frequent these areas based on their means not because they're banned from these places due to their financial status.
Those are some dope spots in Nairobi. Definitely get a different feeling when in there
damn, 5:17 sounded so bitter and personal. what the hell did auston do to him lol??
Ms. Tina: I think that your voice coupled with your personal charm should be more widely broadcasted internationally! I suspect that you have serious celebrity potential!!!
Awesome Master Gabs the balance is in our creation of moving forward, I hope that we endeavor to create equity. I can appreciate OSHAY for actualizing THE APPRECIATION FOR VALUE & TALENT with the ability to develop them!
In many African countries there is no social security and the poor can barely afford to feed or cloth themselves.
Disliking what you don't like is not the issue. It's the "How you express it" that makes the difference. I don't like this because It's not what I'm used to.. Fine. Extreme disgust because other people like what you don't like to the point of looking down on them because you feel that what you like is above the things they like. That's where there's an issue. Especially when you decide to verbally express that to and around those people.
He really doesn’t like Austin loool, that black American brother got him in his feelings!
I feel like their must be something deeper, because what he said was def not that serious that it needed a stfu in response.
@@livelovelaugh605 but every one is entitled to to their point of view!
The guy is stupid and his bringing his western mindset to Africa. Hes too stupid to even realize that he made the other speakers extremely uncomfortable.
I believe Austin used the wrong term he should have said "WEALTH GAP" he's saying the gap between the mid, lower and rich is shockingly wide.
What Auston described is not classism. That's just normal capitalistic life. With classism it doesn't matter the amount of money you accumulate you won't be able to run in certain circles.
True! I wondered what he was all about and yet it’s normal world over
What Austin described is exactly classism🙄
@@Silverbackugxnot necessarily and Akeem_768 makes a damn good point. It's not just about money but social class. And it goes both ways between poor and rich. For example in Uganda.. you will find highly educated 'corporate' guys working in banking, telecoms, civil service, etc.. earning peanuts but sneering at semi-literate Owino, Kikuubo, hell even Muyenga guys who move billions. that's another simple example of classism that has nothing to do with how much money one has.
@@RichardBaguma I agree with you 100% its. Backward mindset that being near white people makes you better. I have mad respect for the iron workers, brick layers, plumbers, electricians, and serious farmers of Uganda doing the work that men do. The old drunkards and backward ass traditionalists sadly have the most influence.
Man shout out to Gabs he was poding 😂but big shoutout to Tina for breaking it down for what Austin was trying to say.
Ohh yes have experience classicism in Uganda for sure but it's not a bad thing in many instances, because I won't eat out on the road unless it's from a higher class standards , restaurant were the food is properly clean and cooked
Nothing wrong with that! When we know better, we DO better❤
It’s true classism is everywhere but in Uganda it’s displayed too much an extent it reaches in families, I have seen a lot ppl don’t wanna associate with their families just coz they making lil more money compared to other family members, also the in marriage scene parents tend to down play a man that lives in same town they live in just coz they think men in city are richer and speak a foreign language, even the grand kids mostly get different treatment from they grandparents or uncles and aunties based off what their fathers economic status, it’s real life sadness
It was great to watch the evolution of this episode.
1. ANGER
2. DENIAL
3. ADMITTANCE
4. EXPLAIN IT AWAY.
Give me a break. How are people SO SENSITIVE? The lifestyles based on have and have nots is extreme in east and west African countries (I have only visited Kenya and Nigeria). As an African American IT IS shocking to see the (house boy/girl), (gate boy) or (elite/gated community) class dynamics play out among all Black people. The Austin guy didn't say it was "good or bad"...if anyone actually watches the video he just said it was there. The fact that these people accept these dynamics as gospel and don't even begin to question why things are the way they are or if the situation could be changed for the better speaks volumes.
100! They also kept the political set up of colonizers after they left which is why there is such a huge wealth gap between the rich and poor in Nigeria.
It’s literally the exact same system Europeans use to oppress indigenous ppl globally!
@@citizencoy4393 but talking to young people in Nigeria and from Nigeria they will tell u straight up they don't like the way things are. They show in their actions that they want change and that one day soon they will have it. I hope they run that topic back and have some Ugandans who have traveled more..... specifically to socialist and or Asian countries (because the extreme lifestyles are in fact "not like this everywhere"). Or have people who are old enough or have studied if it was "always this way".
@@sozb6708 I believe the children are the future. I just hope that africans are documenting everything as you guys seek liberation bc again and again our lack of records is why we are overcome. (outside of the biblical aspect)
@@citizencoy4393 i wonder if lack of records is a huge problem. Our Ancestors left pyramids with their faces on them that stood so long that no one can read them anymore. Many great Africans have written countless books... but people don't read Garvey, King, or have never heard of Matin Delany. I think our (African people's) problem is the lack of self love and identity. People identify more with the imposed identities (country borders, languages, religion, economic class, etc) than with their God giving identity of African.
The people on this panel are NOT the target audience of Austin Holleman.
"As soon as you are born, they make you feel small, by giving you no time instead of it all.....they hate you when you are clever, and they despise a fool...keep you doped with religion and sex and tv....and you think you're so clever and classless and free...but you're still f.....peasants as far as I can see" - from the song working class hero by John Lenon. Interesting discussion. CLASS is a REAL THING and am afraid, one NEVER really BUYS their way into class folks. That's why money doesn't buy class. We have all seen that. That's why no matter how certain people's status levels up due to the size of their bank accounts, there's always going to be that ish ..if you know you know. Because class is not for sale, some people have it and others can't because so much goes into the definition of what it takes to be classy and it's not always about the money. I have met classy servants working toiling for classless moneyed folks.
‼️ @30:15 I’ve got to say, it is FOOLISH to think, someone writing more than 50 words to express WHAT MATTERS for the better of our people, has to “get a life” AND it may say more than 50 words about where your heart / focus is 🤔 Gwan people.. express yourselves freely ya ‘ear 🤨 From NYC, love to all. Bless.
The dude is missing the Tina’s point, it is not about ‘liking’, but the language at place. How you approach the issue, the condescending tone and attitude. Language plays a significant role in shaping how people perceive and express issues related to their race and class position. There is a video where a black American argues a white lady over a parking lot. The lady retorts, ‘I am white and we rule.’ That is her using her race position. She wanted to call police, because she knew they will take her side. Only that she realized she was wrong and the dude was right. That is typical of classist people bargains in most contexts, including East Africa. In my argument, I think the words we choose and the way we use them can reflect our biases and attitudes, potentially reinforcing harmful stereotypes or contributing to a more inclusive dialogue. It's important to be mindful of the impact our words can have on others and to strive for respectful and sensitive communication. I am of a certain class, but I have reinforced my position to my kids that no matter what never use ‘eww’ remarks to people. Look them straight in the eyes, accept or decline their offers respectfully.
I think it's so pretentious to say that classism is only seen or is more prevalent in East Africa.
As an afro American in america I can tell you many Nigerians that I encounter are VERY classist. Even more so than Americans.
@citizencoy4393 that just proves that it's everywhere. In Africa, you will find that West Africans like "showing off" their wealth unlike people in other places, particularly in East Africa. That could easily turn into classism. What happens mostly, and not just in East Africa, is that people of the same class tend to hang out together.
@@chrisamoi8663it's a natural occurrence and the only way to combat it is not through activism or complaining but rather lifting a majority of the population out off poverty which takes time. Once the majority are out of poverty this issue tends to naturally disappear then a new form of ISM takes over.
The baganda are also historically classist. Balangira and bakopi. Even though classism exist, on the chess board every piece is important you need youre pawns to get to the throne.
Worst Kenyan representative , collaborated with African tigress and nilotic empress and out of jealousy this lady caused so much drama .
That’s in the past and has nothing to do with this podcast.
Classicism is ALL over the US; you can look at how wealthy people/celebrities respond to people that are not in their financial position
This discussion is ridiculous ..classism is a global issue ..
There is a lot of classism all over Africa.
Austin does not want to find fault, that’s something that happens in Africa that we don’t really have here in America. Nobody looks down on a person just because they’re poor, that’s not normal here. Here in America it doesn’t matter how much money you have, we talk to you as a normal person. Now there are rich people who do act like that but, the average American, no we don’t do stuff like that; but it’s normal in Africa, at least east Africa…I didn’t really see it when I was in West Africa in the Gambia…and they absolutely had house help, etc.
So Americans don't care how much they think a person has, aye? How come I've never heard of the police killing a wealthy unarmed black person?
Well, these things can change drastically. 22:58
Great podcast. Do you guys think the classicism situation is going to change anytime soon. Because I do agree that it exists
Smh…lawd!! Incredible! So true!! I would offer, I that our people we need so much growing to day so that we are more balanced !! Winning inside of oppression…who is really winning. Whether the oppressor is the same color or not.
Sawubona is “I see you”, in other words I can see into another AfriKAN and honor them and their needs.
I truly hope that we develop our own systems that are equitable.
Austin is right. The classicism in East Africa is a thing there. I noticed it when i was in Kenya and Tanzania
Classism is everywhere.
@@wandifajarjou505 East Africa one is something else. Everyone want to act rich 🙄
@@Jamiev8420and thats how you dont understand the meaning of classism. Also, you're SOO wrong about East Africans. We are waay so humble compared to West Africans who always want to show they have money , even the broke ones. Their dressing, their broke but big car man syndrome. In East Africa, even the rich avoid flashy big cars or will downplay they bought it.
@@Simba_tano You guys act like village people with city attitudes.
@@Jamiev8420 You just sound ignorant now.....Put your point across like a growm man....Dont come back to East Africa .....we dont need your Toxic attitudes
Classisim is almost every world in the world except for a few chaotic and unorganized ethnic groups and/or societies.
It serves a purpose in civilization and has existed since ancient Egypt more 10,000 years ago. It's called organization and structure.
There is classism. But it's really an issue
The difference is in the states class doesn't matter because the people making millions to the people making six figures down to the average Joe can all be in one place and nobody can tell who is who 9 times out of 10 that's not the case in Africa, so I think he's saying there's an extreme difference in income but unlike the US it's obvious who cannot really get by without going out their way to do so there's also an arrogant ego thing to it as well.
"Classicism" is not the word, it's "classism".
Tina dey craze she is the class we are talking about.i have come for you now.
you've come for me ???
how have i gone crazy loool
Where is OSHAY ?? We miss him.
This is all over the world!Class, rich, and poor.
Probably the guy was just surprised at how ordinary people can afford to employ other people to serve them and clean after them. He probably was trying to say how those employers treat their employees.
Nope. We ALL treat our employees very well in East Africa. There are Labour laws that will come down on you, also societal norms will ensure you conform. East Africans are NOT flashy, the rich have no incentive for bafoonery unlike West Africans who are obnoxious and want all to know they have money.
No, "Ordinary" people you really can't afford house help if all you can pay them is 200K per month and then taking food and boarding (in a one room cattle stall) out of that pay. They have families and lives just like you do. Please stop sugar coating your Bull$#!+.
@@Simba_tanoAnd you know that because you've lived in all of West Africa, have you? If that's the impression you have from watching Nigerian movies and listening to afrobeats, you should remind yourself that Nigeria is not West Africa. There are other people who live there too and they are not all flashy types. Ubuntu to you too, a-hole!
As a black American living in the United States. The experience s there can groom you to live anywhere in the world! You will encounter the elitist, rge snobs, rich, wealthy, upper-class, middle class, working poor, poor, and object poverty. You will also experience racism, tribalism, prejudice, and bigotry. I say get in where you fit in comfortably and enjoy life!😁🤷🏾♀️😎
One amongst you, planter of...
I was never into feet before now but Joanita has flipped me ...now I can't stop watching the podcast without zooming in on them 😂
#angelfootMaya
What are some places in Africa where African middle class and upper class like to go?
The brother have nothing else to talk about I guess because classism is everywhere we blacks practice it amongst ourselves here in America
If all steps in a staircase were the same size it would be no elevation. Classism is a natural occurrence in a growing civilization.
The topic is nonsense
There’s classism everywhere, even among chickens 🐓. Nothing new or unusual
Can someone please explain why an African entrepreneur who nets $1300 per month pays his employees $50 per month?
Over here the rank and file may not be aware of classism as we focus more on racism?
Because there's no set minimum wage in many African nations but let's also be real in developed nations the owner and the CEO will always get paid significantly more than the employees
Because selfishness, greed, and classism is unchecked. He feels that he DESERVES more because he is better than them. There is no integrity, transparency, or consciousness of treating someone poorly. Culturally they think it's just fine to be that way. The art of team building and fostering ownership and pride in ones work is also foreign that explains the poor customer service.
You are only paid you are worth that's all and that's what happens everywhere
Because in a poor economy there are at least 50 workers for every job vacancy. If you don't take the job because the wages are too low, there are 49 others who will. This is what used to happen in the West in the absence of a strong trade union movement and will happen again because you've all become complacent and forgotten how you acquired your employment rights in the first place.
@@kelugu3776 there is also the propensity to exploit and no crisis of conscious in paying someone slave wages, despite the high church attendance numbers ... Good Christian people🤣🤣🤣🤣
Austin was actually on to something, i never noticed the social class thing until i travelled back home from a western country. Even just going by the names used, ..some people don't even know the real names of the people who work for them, for decades they call them by what they do for them i.e Maid, Driver, Shamba boy, which i now find demeaning and classist...perhaps we borrowed this from colonialists
Everywhere you go in the World. Class rech and poor. Its people leaving in World.
It’s just absolutely grotesque. I have the power of my ancestors that precedes me. And I am in all of the circles and my rags to better off, not riches. I am far from rich. But I know that some Ugandans believe Americans are rich.
I have experienced being mistreated only because I am growing a healthy self and I don’t eat heals because i am worthy and I have value to add.
I am not and had waited to be give worthiness. We should all be developing and growing a healthy self concept.
And people with money bags feel entitled to that vibration and all their money doesn’t create it unless they authentically have it. So they only get to see themselves well up in envy and jealousy with no pathway to it.
Sometimes those people are position to withhold opportunity and because of their envy, they do and have.
Money bags does not dictate one’s valuation. There are a lot of PIECE OF 💩that are money bags!! Smh
Classism is a global problem and the US and the UK also struggle with the same . US ,Brazil and South Africa have high wealth inequality . Out of 195 countries world-wide South Africa is the most unequal GLOBALLY with an unemployment rate of 33% . 10% of White South Africa control 80% of the economy . Top 10% of White US control 70% of the wealth in US . Social class in the US can determine admission to elite schools such as Harvard . Kids born in upper middle class and upper class in the US are most likely to go to Ivy league schools than kids born in lower class ghettos like Compton, Watts and East Saint Louis or Kids born in rural areas of Mississippi and South Carolina .
In the UK the social classes are even more pronounced than the US starting with the King and Queen . In Europe, America, Australia, Canada etc Social class and race intersect such that a wealthy black person like Michael Jordan can be by-passed for a broke white person . The kids of Wealthy black people typically do not achieve the wealth status of their parents while the kids of wealthy white people can easily surpass the wealth of their parents . Rapid Economic expansion like happened in China in the last 50 years pulled 600 million out of poverty . Economic expansion and wealth redistribution together with social cohesion can help close wealth gaps .
In the continent of Africa social class and ethnic group intersect . Societies such as Uganda, Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya have long standing ethnicity problems and the societies are polarized based on ethnicity . Leaders in these societies use their ethnic groups to improve their social class . For instance Yoweri Museveni has ethnically marginalized the Nilotic ethnic groups of Northern Uganda in favor of Bantu South western and central groups with economic consequences .
The presidents of Ethiopia ,Uganda and Kenya occupy their positions not based on qualification but by virtue of their ethnic backgrounds . Societies like Nigeria and Kenya are known globally to purely elect presidents based on their ethnicities and the populations suffer as a result of having unqualified leaders . Tanzania does not have majorly social class and ethnic problems compared to their neighbors of Kenya and Uganda or others like Nigeria, Ghana . Social class and ethnic problems has led to conflicts in Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda, Congo ,Kenya, Somalia and West Africa .
No we don’t have this inequality in Brazil because we have many middle class, even my cleaner and her husband is middle class. If we so much inequality many Brazilian people will not be overweight even the poor ones and here they don’t by the "cheap mc Donald"🙄 We have many rich and our agro is the fifth biggest in the world and we are developing a better technology to be the first🫡😎 We are also richer than any country in Africa and ME 🤓🧐
I lie can be repeated so much so that you'd think it's the truth
@@jubernardi23 South Africa Gini Coefficient 2023 is 63 the highest inequality in the world . Brazil 48.9 the 4th highest wealth and income inequality in Latin America . US Gini Coefficient 41.5 the highest among predominantly white societies .
Why photo of ruto
After independence Kenya follow capitalism and Tanzania socialism you can imagine. In Tanzania a poor man can own land but Kenya I don’t think so.
#EnemiesWithin = Africa!
Respect to Joanita and Tina for trying to keep the conversation real. The brotha Auston said what he said and people understood what he was saying. There’s classism in East Africa. A system where those who have and are connected have an advantage all the way around over those who have not. It’s a tough subject in Africa because the Colonizers determined who ended up having and who ended up not having. It’s obvious based on the reaction to Austons clip that no one is ready to have that conversation there.
😂😂😂😂 Funny man which conversation are u talking about
@Childofgod do you really live in East Africa? Because what Austin talked about was simply a product of capitalism, where if you have more spending power, you’ll live a better life. I actually think that he thought everyone over is poor and lives a uniform lifestyle, until he travelled and saw that his preconceived notions were wrong
@@wangarikariuki6522 I live in the U.S. and I knew exactly what he was saying. We cant say what he thought but people know that the continent is not poor and uniformed lifestyles. That sounds like misdirection to me, we live in the land of denial and misdirection so it’s kind of easy to identify. The ruling class in East Africa, we’re they appointed by Europeans? Did they gain their wealth and status thru exploiting resources to the West? That’s the real question.
@@billjames1216 The conversation that I saw a couple of people attempting to have but was shut down immediately by ones who didn’t want to have it
@@childofgod9124 There is nothing we have never talked about in Africa we have been talking and conversing since independence it's time for action not conversations
This is every not just in Uganda, some people think they chosen by god.
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Tina a 10 frfr 💪🏾💪🏾
President Museveni and President Ruto are 2 of the most wisest and intelligent world leaders on this Earth!
Tina needs a New Wardrobe. Those jeans have to go...not flattering at all
Now you know at your BIG age you've got more pressing things to worry about than what i'm wearing Stay out of womens business SIR its giving alot of sass 😉
@@tinaw463Tina you fine😅😅
Leave Tina be, being self conscious and a bit shy has caused her to hold back, she finally opened up this episode and it was beautiful.
South Africa too. If you not connected and such you don't get a chance. So I think classism is the real evil. How does black people oppress other black people.. By classism. But then they point... Look look racism over there.... We should address racism. But what's the immediate problems in 2023? In my opinion it's the classism.
Racism and classism go hand in hand. The foundation of classism was set up on racism! I say this Bc wealth as we know it today was set up by racism!!!
In Africa We should address tribalism
@@gibson2675 ahhhh OK tribalism. Didn't think of that. But don't you thinking classism too?
i will disagree with you on this one, Black South Africans are not classist. we don't care how much money you have or your qualifications. We still expect you to behave a certain way, perform certain rituals and participate in community things. And because Our parents don't like to move places, when you go home you are expected to still relate with the people in your community. If you don't attended people's funerals we won't come to yours (both the rurals and townships). Our helpers are respected, we don't even feel "mamane" must do certain duties. About being "connected" its easy, you can approach them in church or garage while they pump petrol etc. Rich black SAns are chilled to be honest.
Isn’t classism a thing everywhere though?
Capitalism brought this mindset to Africa 😢
Bu!!$#!+..Africans were arrogant and condescending long before Capitalism, they are still selling daughters to the highest bidder and still waiting on other people to come and build their country.
Colonization. The Brits have/had this very strong desire to be as close to royal blood as possible. Colonization and capitalism are often interchangeable tho
Is this an issue with male guest speakers why do you need to curse? You cant speak normally and clearly without doing so? And Austin is just providing his opinions for those that dont live in East Africa. To provide them context as to whats happening there - not those that are already there. What wrong with that guy talking about letting him live? Dude relax...its not that serious... your too old to be getting worked up about someone sharing his opinion. Terrible western mindset your bringing into Africa and specifically East Africa.
You can't blame jealousy and hate on the "west"... Lol.
The problem with Austin’s opinions is that it spreads misinformation and is misleading.
What Austin was talking about is simply a by-product of capitalism, which is also found world over. I don’t think he understood the real meaning of classism, because with real classism, certain spaces are not available to some people for whatever reason, regardless of depth of pocket.
Austin expected a uniform lifestyle with people here (mainly poor) and was shocked when that wasn’t the case
@@wangarikariuki6522 The poverty and mistreatment of one African to another is not a by product of Capitalism. You were arrogant, condescending and Big Man ass kissing long before Capitalism was a thing in Africa. You still sell your daughters. Holleman doesn't spread any misinformation, it is you who needs to look up classism, I understand that English may not be your first language.
@@wangarikariuki6522Very good point. If he wants to experience real classism he should come to the U.k. where certain doors will never open even for Bill Gates or Elon Musk. If you can't trace your family back to the Norman conquest, forget it.
it's a natural byproduct of capitalism. Which I don't necessarily like btw
No it is not, this have to do with traditionalism, culture and high society, have nothing to do with money, we have this in my country too, if was product of capitalism you only need to have money to be the part of them but no, because new rich are generally low classy…🙄🙃🤓🧐
@@jubernardi23 oh ok , I get you. New money vs old money classism. Elitism actually. Understood.
It might be a part of probably traditionalism though It might be a major part of capitalism profiting in one way or another even if not Monetary 🎉
Might include profiting injustly or by form of privilege
Also capitalism actual nature may include stepping on anyone to get a profit or profit from Thus capitalism might be a part of it
⏰TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Introduction about the importance of perceived power over wealth.
00:27 - Jenny Tamaya introduces herself and the other panelists.
02:23 - Panelists discuss classism in East Africa.
04:49 - Classism's existence across different countries.
07:15 - Definitions and roots of classism.
09:46 - Revisiting the video clip and its critique.
12:27 - Colonial influences on modern classism in East Africa.
15:19 - Tribalism, nepotism, beliefs among groups in Uganda.
18:18 - Culture clash: Governor, levels, and discomfort.
21:19 - Discussion on personal preference vs. classism.
24:56 - Affording lifestyle and inflation impacts in Uganda.
28:02 - Wealth vs. power: Preferences and discussion.
I think he just wanted to talk about what he could afford.
twatera embundu. (the 27 guns Narcists)
Never mind him. Black Americans are always complaining. They should know better.
Capitalism produces classicism. Not everyone is going to be lifted up from poverty at the same time. It's a universal matter, and if someone from America doesn't understand it, he or she is simply ignorant.
Who is he calling "bro."
You can definitely tell which one of you has money.
Gabs brother you were right your feelings towards Austin, I was wrong.
Some of what you all are talking about is not class it's snobbery. In some cases you are going to have class and snobbery or just class.
Another thing is that, you all are also just looking at class as it relates to wealth or money. There are other types of classes which have nothing to do with having money or wealth.
Pretty sure this is just how the world works lol. The world has been like this forever.
No....your culture is only the world that YOU know.
@@Silverbackugx the rich have had more than the poor since a monetary system has been invented throughout the entire world. That’s not culture that’s human history. Remove those utopia glasses you’re wearing.
@@Silverbackugxso you are denying 96% of the world ain't capitalist? or that's in east africa
@@AmazingMania Capitalism isnt your problem, your backward ass beliefs and senseless impractical behavior is. Even driving in the street is chaos because rules that make sense mean nothing to you. Science and understanding mean nothing to you, you've got your "tradition". You're not left behind and exploited by the world because that's your tradition and place in the world. You're last and laughed at, not taken seriously, and exploited because the west knows that you'll put tradition, superstition, and unimportant bullshit over common sense, advancement, modernization, science, technology, infrastructure, and quality of life in general, in order to cling to backwardness. The handful that don't are either wealthy puppets of the west or run over the rest of you like you're minions, drones, and peasants.
I'm surprised such a classicism is allowed to exist in Kenya by the India community.
They will never allow such in India.
I think this is something the government must look into before it eclipses into a menace like the Western world in Africa.
India has the caste system
@gibson2675 Yes, India has the cast classicimic system.
But listen to what the guest from Kenya said about people (even Kenyans)not being welcomed/allowed to live with a certain community in Kenya, not in India.
Auston craps on every place he goes after he leaves. It's really unbelievable... it's like the scorpion and the frog. He stings the frog after they carry him to the other side of the river. When they ask him why he says, because I am a scorpion.
Then he is a Smart Scorpion. Usually both the frog and The Scorpion die because he stings the frog way before reaching shore
Even in America,I stay in America very poor ppl too
Totally disagree. In Kenya its tribalism and it can be deadly
Dude just hated on Austin and missed the point. The classicism problem is exacerbated and instead of latching onto that he acted like a jealous weirdo. This guy adds zero value to all of these talks.
We have people in African are Rech and poor.Jowanita you are rong about Kampala it was Buganda City.and Entebbe was city Of Uganda.one:day come disease Call Kawali Wights runs from Entebbe to Kampala.Buganda:Kingdom gives the land Kololo.
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just here to crush on Joanita
I'm speculating but it sounds like Auston was just trying to gain the interest of the ladies.
Tina, speak up more. It usually seems like you're holding back.
Gabs, first Auston is young and a first-time traveler and so he doesn't know as much- at times it really shows but whatever-- but in this case you have to give him a chance for context and it simply wasn't there in that short clip - so you can't attack him like that in this instance.
On another note: Gabs and Tina's insights are just wasted on talking about this stuff - there's richer material for the both of them.
Guys, let us know if you want us to send in some possible topics? If not, I get it - it's your channel however- No offense to Auston at all, but there's too much reaction on his stuff on this podcast.
(Auston will probably be a completely different person in 15 years and likely won't even agree with some of his current viewpoints on women overall and on his process. -So Imho, his channel is not the source for solid viewpoints) really Gabs- you know better.
Your guests are hard to hear.
I hear them fine. Fix your speakers or headphones
Master Gabz is too intelligent for the ladies. Most of what they're talking about is more likely obnoxious people and not class system. I could see master Gabz almost telling the UK/ UG lady to shut the F up. He didn't seem interested in her reasoning.
WELL SAID BY THE FIRST SISTER. WE HAVE IT EVERYWHERE. IN THE WELL. THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOT. WHY THIS TOPIC AT ALL ?? THE WHOLE WORLD HAS IT. WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
The delusion of the modern day African is off the charts