Personally, I believe in a domain of influence type of scenario. Imagine the world being divided into domains: you have the Greek Domain, The Egyptian, the Persian, the Norse, the Japanse, the Aztec... You name it... Each with their own pantheon, with their own creation story and history and with their own rules. And as long as you reside within their domain of influence, the world will look to you like it does in their myths. But once you crosses over to a different domain, the history changes and alters to the stories of the pantheon of this domain. And those domains can EXPAND, to the detriment of certain pantheons. If one domain of mortals conquers another and subjucate the people of that domain, the Gods and their history might come to an end, be erased not from history but from existence. This might also be the reason why The Olympians sent Kratos to deal with the Persian Invasion of Attica. If Greek lost that city, their rule and their history would no longer exist there, no longer count and the territory would abide to the rules of the Persian Pantheon. They themselves weren't really interested in expanding into Persia but they didn't want to lose land either. And seeing how the Persian King was also armed with gifts from his Pantheon, an Efreet spirit bound to him and Basilisk, it only made sense that they sent their own champion against it. As a warning to the Persian Gods not to mess with Greece. All things considered, the Persian attempted invasion of Greece was the first sign that the Olympians didn't actually rule of the whole world (as why else would they care what happened to Greece), with later signs that next to Persian also other pantheons exist AND have interest in conquering others... Pantheons that may or may not had armed Morpheus in his endeavour for his conquest (his use of Sphinxes and especially banshees, hint at help from Egyptian and Celtic Pantheons).
Damn, this game series is gonna get a lot more boring around the 1st Century AD. I agree for the most part, but less like a literal physical planet and more like a plane of existence on which creation and from that the Gods take up basically territory on it. Kinda like multiple Universes, but these Universes are all connected to one another physically/magically and can interact with one another
@@flightlesslord2688 I think barlog explained it like that Each region of the pantheons is like a mini earth inside one big earth, hence why they cannot interfere with each other,because you need to essentially pass through that barrier
I like to believe they are separated by dimensions, geography and time. And very few have the power of inter-dimensional travel without bifrost,like Tyr and ofcourse Kratos
one of the devs confirmed that the way they pantheons exist is each pantheon is a different planet and the term world means universe heres a link to the video (time stamp is 5:10): ua-cam.com/video/aIb-Lt7WX_s/v-deo.html
It's the same situation, or similar enough within the Percy Jackson Series by Rick Riordan! However, what separates them(the different gods and pantheons) is something called The Mist, it can keep them from interacting with each other on missions, and in normal day occurrences. Mostly for mortals. The gods know of the other pantheons, but usually don't interact.
No. Riordan pantheons are all on the same earth. That means that Poseidon doesnt actually rule the seas but the US east coast side of the atlantic. GoW pantheons exist in their own universes with their own creation story etc..
This is pretty much my theory as well: each pantheon is its own self-contained universe with its own cosmological model, but there exists some sort of gateway between them. It's been my theory ever since GOW 2018 was announced as it is the only logical way for different pantheons to exist in the GOW universe as it is presented in the games.
I think this is more than a theory. In the previous game, they make it clear that Kratos is an outsider to their world in the Norse mythos. Baldur says that Kratos should’ve never came to Midgard, but Midgard is supposed to be Earth. Greece obviously is on the same planet, but he had to travel to Midgard from an outside land. People have assumed that Kratos actions against Greece were worldwide, but there is absolutely no proof of that. Moreover, with Tyr’s paintings, it is clear that the deities existed in simultaneous timeframes, not successive. Tyr and the other deities were alive when the Greek pantheon was around, but there is no significant impact that those wars had on the Norse deities. Lastly, when confronted with going the Helheim, Freya told Kratos that no flames in all the 9 Realms could melt the frost of Helheim. But when Kratos chose to use the Blades of Chaos, they were not weapons forged within the 9 Realms. Again, folks assumed they worked because Kratos was super-powerful, but his blades and their magic are produced from forgery outside of the 9 Realms. So each pantheon exists within its own template of reality that, while not inaccessible to outsiders, is largely independent of them.
I think the simplest explanation would have been for them to use the sea of chaos. Most mythologies begin with a sea of chaotic primordial matter. They could have said that from this sea of chaos many worlds can arise like bubbles, the circumstances of these bubbles rising would differ in order to explain the various creation myths. When Kratos destroyed the Greek universe, it was like that bubble popped and everything in it returned to chaos. (Or perhaps not everything as Kratos did release the power of hope so maybe that allowed it to survive). Regardless, Kratos could have floated in this sea of chaos until he “washed ashore” into another bubble, the Norse bubble.
The nine realms were separated from each other to a lesser degree than the other pantheons, hence the ability to travel more easily between them. Each pantheon was a total 'bubble'. Collapsing a bubble (death of gods therein) removes the barrier (sea of chaos), thus creating the mortal earth. Travel between separate pantheons was more difficult so, for the most part, only the senior gods were aware of each other.
@@rickyrackey7930 Thoth would basically be mymir (or however you spell the talking head’s name) seeing as they were both the Gods of Knowledge basically, unless I’m mistaking Mymir with someone else of the Nordic Pantheon.
These myths aren't just separated by geography, but by time too. Most we know of Norse mythology are written down in the *Old Norse* language, but this language isn't as old as ancient Greece. The Language that Scandinavians probably used at the time of ancient Greece was probably closer to *Proto-Norse* or *Proto-Germanic* and these languages are much different than Old Norse. Even the names of the Gods were different in these languages. Here are some examples: Baldur = Baldraz Freya = Frawjo Odin = Wodanaz Thor = Thunraz Tyr = Tiwaz
maybe a stretch, but does Jormungandr speak Proto-Norse/Germanic? I could have sworn there's a "Thun-" one of the times he speaks; perhaps saying something about Thor. Also, I feel like the syllables of all those words can kinda match up better than heavily distorted English or Old Norse. WOOO-DAAA-NAZZ thoughts?
I always thought they were separated by geography and their origins only pertained to their "region" or territory. I also think that, for example, Hel and the Underworld are the same place, but looks different according to your beliefs.
no, thats small thinking, also it would contradict many of the murals seen in the game. There are a lot of things that wouldn't make sense if that where to be true. Like the shared sun dilema. It is stated multiple times in game that you in fact need the unity stone to travel between realms. Why would you need it if you can just travel by boat and get to Egypt or Greece? Odin seeks knowledge above all else why wouldn't he be in greece mendeling with other deities in search of knowledge and power we would have heard of him or seen him doing whatever ploy he was doing at the time ? I could go on and on but sharing just by geogragphy would create major plot holes to the story. The underworld is very different time passes completely different than in midward and guess what if you go to Asia time still passes the same. Hel is another dimension and its not the same as in greece's version of Hel, whereas there it's stated to be under the world hence the name.
@@dolphin-studio The funny thing about murals is that it's made from the creator's point of view. We're only seeing their interpretation. The unity stone that Tyr travels with apparently could be used for time travel, because most Pantheons were established at different times. Also, for all we know there's probably a realm of the dead, basically like a country with different states, but with a different area or state called the Underworld where Greeks go, Helheim for the Nordic people, Hell for "Christians", and since we're using in game evidence, a spectre of Zeus did appear in Helheim and it didn't look anything like the other "phantom visions" that Baldur, Atreus and Kratos saw when they all went there, so that could've been him, but dead, roaming around the dead realm. Mimir tells Kratos not go near the area and I think there's two reasons, the first is that it's probably Helheim's limits (remember that I'm using country-states) or maybe that giant bird that was in the distance is probably hostile.
@@raymondben36466 The pantheons are not on the same planet. Each a pantheon is referred to as its own world or universe with in the lore. It makes sense as jormungandur is so large he covers the world if the Greek pantheon and norse pantheon were on the same world or planet than the Greek pantheon would be able to see jormungandurs body within their pantheon
@@raymondben36466 Also Tyr the norse god of war is stated to be the only one to travel to other pantheons at will. This makes sense as Tyr has the unity stone if you don't know the unity stone allows you to travel to other universes at will, as I stated earlier each pantheon is its own universe
@@raymondben36466 by the way the unity stone in God of war is only stated to allow one to travel to the other pantheons at will not to actually time travel
Egyptian vs Persian vs Roman gods would be awesome, as it’d show what happened to the surviving Greek Gods. It also has precedence in history with Alexander the Great!
I hope we visit the Egyptian pantheon in the game after Ragnarok if there is one. Maybe Kratos and Atreus can go to several mythologies for the plot of that game.
They could do the marvel/DC thing where all the gods exist and know of each other but rarely interact unless absolutely needed. Like the Sky father concept in Marvel then have the god of war version of the Presence or One above all that is the ultimate power of the universe.
nope marvel crap, the movies suck right now, and the comments have sucked with all the woke bs since the quarantine. So yeah Marvel crap@@tertiaoptio4938
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Theory: I think the downfall and/or destruction of a pantheon creates the Earth that we live on. Each pantheons’ world is a self-contained space, but once there are not enough deities, the worlds are forced to merge unless the worlds themselves are destroyed.
I've said this same thing in many of your previous videos as well and i'm glad others have started catching on. I cannot for the life of me find the interview, but there's an article with this very same question. While Cory says it's just geography, the interview i'm referencing he also said that they are all contained universes. Every myth or story told about that mythos exists in that version of god of war, which is why concepts like 'hope' and 'fear' can be used as an actual weapon. I think, every pantheon is divided by some kind of magic that you either need to be effectively immortal like Kratos and force yourself through or smart enough to travel with magic like Tyr does.
I love the 2 pantheons fighting each other thing he was talking about like Chinese VS Japanese pantheons or Egyptian vs Indian pantheons or Aztec vs Celtic Pantheons. but in the Thanos said it best Kratos is inevitable.
@@dolphin-studio It would be see the two sides fighting each other then Kratos kills both sides lol. I would mostly love to see a god of war game with Norse VS Greek but by end of this newsiest game there won't be many left sadly.
The idea of each pantheon existing in self-contained universes is pretty interesting and, frankly, not really that far-fetched. Like, seriously guys, it's not that hard to imagine. Also, Mimir is only British in the God of War universe. In real-world mythology, he's completely Norse.
Wouldn’t say British, more Scottish myself. It’s when he says “lad” that I really hear it personally. But I really agree with the rest of what you were saying about the universes! It sounds dope.
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
I'm truly curious about this theory myself and sadly we are only left with more questions than answers. Been trying to write fanfic for years to help me get a grasp of writing my own stories eventually but my one biggest hold up is several worlds meet. This video gave some ideas and yet I'm still uncertain. The 3 main worlds I've been trying to mold together are Dragon Age/Thedas and Elder Scrolls/Nirn with Soul Calibur being brought in somewhat. The first two I feel could have several loopholes leading to the gods of DA & ES actually being one and the same but with Soul Calibur involved I began to wonder, with Kratos actually being present in one the old games as well as Link, Star Wars, Assassin's Creed, and Tekken I'm quite thrilled and concerned what that could mean for the future of my stories. Just need that final seed to connect them all.
Akin to Smite’s lore, the pantheons operate to that like our world leaders/150+ countries do in that they have their own lands and share the world with each other with rarely intervening in each other’s affairs.
So basically like a large building. There are many rooms seperate from each other, and those rooms are of various size and description. However, there is a common space shared by all---the Hallways, as it were. Or we can think of it like bubbles floating around in one massive super bubble. All of them share this "intermediate" space, but once you step beyond a certain threshold, then we step into a unique, self-contained "mini-world" with it's own unique characteristics.
So... It's like Magic The Gathering, and how the multitude of different Planes works, but on a large, planetary or continental scale. How each plane is individually separated from the others by a void-like plane of existence called the Blind Eternities, or The Realm Between Realms for God of War 4, and how each god, divine influence or force and some people know about other realms, even going so far as Planeswalking, or stepping in between them. And if a cosmic-level event happens in one plane, it won't spill into or affect any other planes, I guess unless brought by something strong enough to bypass the barrier... Got it.
Probably the land they share on the same earth geographically is walled off by some sort of magic that they somehow managed to cross because Midgard in the novel it’s says it’s sky is infinite and the serpent circles the earth
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to be the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
Maybe, If and only if, they are on the same world, the lands that specific pantheons of gods walk are somehow separated by a kind of barrier or magic that only affects their locations. Like the Greek pantheon dying but none of the affects of that world are seen anywhere else due to the lands having a sort of dome only condemning that land. Or kratos somehow slipped out of his reality into a parallel, knowing the game that doesn't seem too far fetched
I wonder if this theory could be the same for the underworlds like Hel and the Duwat, and the heavens like Valhalla and the field of reeds. Are the separated geographically or are they somehow spiritually connected because we did Zeus in Hel in GOW4, so it's possible.
Zeus was not in Hel, he cant be. That Zeus was just Hel messing with Kratos memories of the past. An allucination only Kratos could see. Also in the first gow games we dont really know where the gods ended up after Kratos killed them. As far as I can tell he just erased them, like, they straight up ceased to exist with Athena being the only exception to the rule (Higher existence). If they ended up in Hades let's say, why we didnt meet Poseidon again in Gow3? Or Hades himself. Why Kratos ended up in Hades when he was killed but not the other Gods? Where are Magni and Modi now? Valahalla? Hel? Nowhere? We know for sure mortals either end in Hel or Valallah in Gow4 cuz we visit Hel but we dont ever know where Gods end up in this series. I believe that the afterlife realms of each pantheons are just a magical place anyways, you dont actually end up there "physically" nor you can travel there unless you are using magical means (if you are alive) You end up there only when you are dead, cuz your spirit goes there, not your body
Personally I think geography is the main factor separating the pantheons. It makes sense to sail from what we now know as one continent to another but of course mortals in this time or with this understanding of the world wouldn’t view it so simply. As for the realms of the underworld and Hel, I think those are regions you can only access from the specific geographical locations they’re associated with. Midgard is probably just a segment of the Earthen plane. The creation stories probably tie together through the primordial beings creating these geographic locations on one contained Earth, thus forming their own pantheon. Basically, Kratos is exploring the world and coming across these different cultures that were created by primordial beings like Ymir and the titans but probably thinks he’s traveling from one world to another
I doubt they’ll go this route, and it’s kinda out there but, it’d be cool if the next pantheon was ancient Sumerian, with gods like Enlil, Baal, Gilgamesh etc. It could tie in the flood myth in which Kratos learns affected ALL the realms, and you find out that all the gods in every pantheon are just survivors of that catastrophe. Zeus, Odin, Enki, Thoth, all of them ruling their respective lands with ancient, long lost powers. That effectively ties in every pantheon, with a plot twist lol
Looll but from what i remember im pretty sure that wasn't actually zuez that was an illusion that Hel gives to its inhabitants and one of the reasons its so scary being there. Im pretty sure.
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
I agreed I believe when all the first God came to earth like Zeus and Odin and other gods met up and probably fought and they knew if they keep fight the earth would be destroy so all the leader of the different Pantheons like Zeus and Odin decide to sign a pact and a deal to make sure they will never get involved with each drama and battle, that why when Zeus and the other greed gods was get kill by Kratos and the titan, we don't see none of the other guys help him
6:15 "Billions"? I think you'll find that the entire population of the globe didn't reach a billion until the 1750's at the earliest. Ancient Greece reached a population of around 10 million, but that exceeded their arable land and the numbers went down from there. It's back around 10 million today.
I wonder if the story will turn into to realization of a higher power above even the Gods, a power that created all of existence and formed to structure of the world we see in God of War. Leading Kratos to discover the only way to truly change to structure of the world away from gods is to put a end to THE God.
@@dolphin-studio *Uhh..😰😰😰😰* *Well then it's possible you're stuck as a wandering soul* *Like in God of War 2018* *you can't move on to any afterlife until your affairs are in order..*
I *loved* God of War (2018) & God of War: Ragnarok. I'm sure the first trilogy was great, but I kinda wish it would've been remade tbh, bcos: 1) I would've loved to see Greek mythology explored w/ the amazing quality of graphics, gameplay and storytelling the last two games hv had 2) I feel like I would enjoy this version of Kratos more than the rage filled monster he was in the first games (especially since he killed so many innocent ppl in Greece).
The only thing makes this theory a bit difficult is the sun and moon, like Helios controlling the sun in Greek mythology, but in Norse mythology the sun and moon being chased by the wolves, so it’s like… did Helios see the wolves? And let’s say that the wolf ate the sun, wouod Helios suddenly die in Greece (is Kratos hadnt already killed him) and in Egyptian mythology, isn’t the sun being chased by a giant like serpent?
Mimir setting up Celts is cool. But I dont get how the world tree could exist on a planet with all the realms within it. I think its more like a bigger cosmos, in which these worlds exist seperate to one another, under their own laws of creation and nature, but there is a way to cross between them. Almost like a bigger version of the world tree, but less physical as a tree. That or its like as you say one 'world' that contains each different Pantheon and their respective version of existence. So each is self contained, whilst at the same time being connected
I like to think the gods are 4 dimensional beings, being able to travel through planes such as the earth, heaven, and the underworld in that pantheon. Kratos, however, is a new being able to travel in 5 dimensions, so not only is he able to travel the planes of his own pantheon, he can traverse to an infinite amount of different pantheons
I once read a theory that at the end of GOW3 Kratos would have met with two of his equals from other pantheons and then go to Bethlehem to honor Jesus as the one true God meaning he was one of the 3 wise men. Would have honestly been a rad ending.
I think it is more like each is bound to the physical region where their faith is but each pantheon leader can modify their region as they want without natural restrictions
I'd like to think all pantheons are essentially their own universes with their own realms and cosmos, only way to travel is with like Tyrs travel stone. Kinda makes it ehh if they're all contained on one planet only separate by country location
also why would you need the unity stone if you can simply travel by boat. then there is the shared sun dilema the reason why the sun and moon moves it's because they are. eing chased by wolves in greek mythos you don't see Helios running away from a wolf.
The simplest way to explain is tht there all in the same world just different solar systems in a nutshell instead of space it’s just geography but same plane and area of existence
I think the most simplest explanation would be that each of the Pantheons are in their own self contained pocket realms or universes which maybe only until the advent of Abrahamic faiths and especially Christianity is when everything got unified and solidified into a singular realm or universe which is the one we currently live in now.
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to be the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
It kinda makes no sense they are separated by geography since we see when the Greek gods died the plagues are implied to have effected the whole world not just Greece
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
@@ORIGINALFBI The pantheons are not on the same planet. Each a pantheon is referred to as its own world or universe with in the lore. It makes sense as jormungandur is so large he covers the world if the Greek pantheon and norse pantheon were on the same world or planet than the Greek pantheon would be able to see jormungandurs body within their pantheon
@@ORIGINALFBI Also Tyr the norse god of war is stated to be the only one to travel to other pantheons at will. This makes sense as Tyr has the unity stone if you don't know the unity stone allows you to travel to other universes at will, as I stated earlier each pantheon is its own universe
Best way I can visualize it is imagining if the God Of War Universe is a whole pepperoni pizza: Earth that every pantheon shares = crust and cheese Each pantheon with own set of rules = pepperoni
It makes a lot of sense because you have the north mythology and in places like Ireland and things of that nature you will have the Greek mythology in Rome he will have the Egyptian mythology and Egypt you will have you know the Japanese mythology over there in Japan so you do you have different "God's" in different areas and stuff like that other people who worship them and some even Go by different names
6:24 I don't know about that, in GoW4 the temple of the nine was submerged for over 150 years duo to a great flood, when Kratos killed Poseidon on the third game he created a flood that destroyed Greece, I think that flood wasn't solely contained to the Hellenistic world, since it is said that the time jump between the two games is also about a hundred years.
How kratos made it to the Norse lands is some of the biggest suspension of disbelief in gaming . They explained very well how Tyr made it to various realms and world's but kratos made no sense . At the end of gow 3 he doomed the planet, darkened the world and flooded everyone and everything. So how did he walk or traveled out of Greece and that world and made it to Egypt and then Midgard ? It's too much of a suspension for me . But whatever I guess . Ragnarok better be fire is all I know
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i know this is fiction but one way to look at it is when they mention realm I can equate it to a country or empire and there is a jurisdiction or border for each empire. from ages ago where we didnt know the concept of the world, i bet they probably described different civilizations as a new world or a different world. I have to put myself in their shoes. If i was only in 1 place for the rest of my life and worship gods in that area only, I would definitely call other places as realms or other worlds. We have more knowledge now about our world that we forget that people from before thinks that 3 cities down the road is the whole world.
It’s honestly as simple as it sounds.. lol plus a little extra imagination 🤷🏽♂️ All the pantheons exist on 1 Earth, simultaneously. The only thing that separates them is distance, for example Greece is 1,774miles always form Sweden(which is a modern day Nordic country, which is separated by mostly land & the Baltic Sea, it would take 3 weeks to get there on foot. From Greece to Egypt is 5,263 miles, & from Sweden to Africa is 6,513miles. , from Sweden to Japan is 7,000 miles! The only reason Greece was destroyed & Scandinavia wasn’t is because 1700 miles away. 😂 it’s basically self contained countries that contain entire universe.
10:50 There has been a new wall painting found that explains how kratos traveled to norse mythology. And also the pantheons don't exist all on the same planet/world, instead each pantheon is like its own galaxy and/or dimension explaining why we don't see the aftermath of god of war 3 in 4
cory barolog has explained the way all the pantheons exist in the universe heres a link to the GDC interview (time stamp 5:10): ua-cam.com/video/aIb-Lt7WX_s/v-deo.html
In the Bible all the fallen angels are called principalities that exist and rule in different portions of the heavenlies. Most humans know nothing about the governing body of the fallen angels but the principalities know each other and conspire amongst themselves to keep the humans in the dark. And it works because most humans think mythology is just something made up even though there is a very obvious push by the powers that be to keep the names of the fallen angels in our mouth through media (read:mediums) i.e. games, superhero (genesis 6:4) movies. Though people may admit that it is weird how the mythology has been intentionally brought to the present, they will have difficulty admitting that the stories are about fallen angels because the truth is just too frightening when you’ve been living in a dreamworld. Daniel 10 talks about how the principalities of Persia tried to stop the angel Gabriel from sending a message to a human that pretty much exposed a plot the gods were hatching for the future. All mythology of the past and UFO mythology of the present, is based on the fallen angels and nephilim. The parallels are there and make the truth obvious if you want it. It’s just that we’ve all been programmed to think the Bible is fake, so as obvious as it is the people are just not gonna see it.
I think Kratos is either in Sweden, or Norway Unlikely he is in Denmark judging by the terrain, Denmark is a very flat county And it's probably not Finland
I think there some angels who rebel against the god and survive from first war in heaven before humans appeared in earth and the other angels are disguise as a god
Different universes separated by unimaginable distances. Otherwise it would not make any sense. As greek myth and norse myth has different ogirin story for the universe. It would not fit together. Also When Kratos Killed Gods in greece it pretty much Destroyed what they were god of. Like Helios- Sun stopped existing. Yet in New games we see Sun. So it basicaly Confirms It is different Universe.
We have to consider that these myths were created by people who had no concept of the size of the Earth, the breadth of other cultures and that the world in their immediate surroundings was the only conceivable world. As far as the Greeks were concerned, Greek lands and Greek Gods were the truth of the world, as did the Norse, Egyptians, Persians etc all believe of their respective worlds. The understanding of the world grew over time, with Abrahamic religion removing the Geographic restrictions and scientific advancement explaining the natural phenomena that gods represented.
that fact that he doesn't remeber and you can read it on the official game's novel where it demonstrates that there is a lot that we don't know, to say that as a fact is just headcannon.
@@R0BEARTH The pantheons are not on the same planet. Each a pantheon is referred to as its own world or universe with in the lore. It makes sense as jormungandur is so large he covers the world if the Greek pantheon and norse pantheon were on the same world or planet than the Greek pantheon would be able to see jormungandurs body within their pantheon
@@R0BEARTH Also Tyr the norse god of war is stated to be the only one to travel to other pantheons at will. This makes sense as Tyr has the unity stone if you don't know the unity stone allows you to travel to other universes at will, as I stated earlier each pantheon is its own universe
hades is the god not the place, the underworld also it is stated to be infinite so yes it's under but its also another realm. time passes diferent in the realms too sharing the same space wouldn't affect time yet it does.
He was born a Demi-God and earned being a God by killing ares, He was originally Zues son but neither of them knew/ cares because his mother was a peasent.
I don’t think they’re on the same earth. All the mythos’ have things in them that effect their universes. Such as Ragnarok (which resets the universe, right?) Or in greek mythology, the milky way was created because Heracles was ripped from Hera’s tiddy.(lol) and her breast milk created the milky way. Aztec, Japanese,Hindu(Hindu especially) Egyptianand Chinese are just as linear and don’t open much room for other verses.
Personally, I believe in a domain of influence type of scenario. Imagine the world being divided into domains: you have the Greek Domain, The Egyptian, the Persian, the Norse, the Japanse, the Aztec... You name it... Each with their own pantheon, with their own creation story and history and with their own rules. And as long as you reside within their domain of influence, the world will look to you like it does in their myths. But once you crosses over to a different domain, the history changes and alters to the stories of the pantheon of this domain. And those domains can EXPAND, to the detriment of certain pantheons. If one domain of mortals conquers another and subjucate the people of that domain, the Gods and their history might come to an end, be erased not from history but from existence.
This might also be the reason why The Olympians sent Kratos to deal with the Persian Invasion of Attica. If Greek lost that city, their rule and their history would no longer exist there, no longer count and the territory would abide to the rules of the Persian Pantheon. They themselves weren't really interested in expanding into Persia but they didn't want to lose land either. And seeing how the Persian King was also armed with gifts from his Pantheon, an Efreet spirit bound to him and Basilisk, it only made sense that they sent their own champion against it. As a warning to the Persian Gods not to mess with Greece. All things considered, the Persian attempted invasion of Greece was the first sign that the Olympians didn't actually rule of the whole world (as why else would they care what happened to Greece), with later signs that next to Persian also other pantheons exist AND have interest in conquering others... Pantheons that may or may not had armed Morpheus in his endeavour for his conquest (his use of Sphinxes and especially banshees, hint at help from Egyptian and Celtic Pantheons).
Damn, this game series is gonna get a lot more boring around the 1st Century AD. I agree for the most part, but less like a literal physical planet and more like a plane of existence on which creation and from that the Gods take up basically territory on it. Kinda like multiple Universes, but these Universes are all connected to one another physically/magically and can interact with one another
This reminds me of American Gods, in which every god and mythological creature exist on the same world accordingly with what people believe.
@@flightlesslord2688 I think barlog explained it like that
Each region of the pantheons is like a mini earth inside one big earth, hence why they cannot interfere with each other,because you need to essentially pass through that barrier
I like to believe they are separated by dimensions, geography and time. And very few have the power of inter-dimensional travel without bifrost,like Tyr and ofcourse Kratos
@@ryansmith-jr4gn "i" like to believe. Plus didn't Freya speak of Kratos not being a god of 'this realm'?
@@aureuskeith2312 she's using terms describing things native to her homeland
one of the devs confirmed that the way they pantheons exist is each pantheon is a different planet and the term world means universe heres a link to the video (time stamp is 5:10): ua-cam.com/video/aIb-Lt7WX_s/v-deo.html
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It's the same situation, or similar enough within the Percy Jackson Series by Rick Riordan! However, what separates them(the different gods and pantheons) is something called The Mist, it can keep them from interacting with each other on missions, and in normal day occurrences. Mostly for mortals. The gods know of the other pantheons, but usually don't interact.
Nice. SH 1 tactics.
The Mist isn't what you said it is
No. Riordan pantheons are all on the same earth. That means that Poseidon doesnt actually rule the seas but the US east coast side of the atlantic.
GoW pantheons exist in their own universes with their own creation story etc..
@@vlad_47 You're wrong as well.
@@dragonborn7955 why do you say that
This is pretty much my theory as well: each pantheon is its own self-contained universe with its own cosmological model, but there exists some sort of gateway between them. It's been my theory ever since GOW 2018 was announced as it is the only logical way for different pantheons to exist in the GOW universe as it is presented in the games.
I think this is more than a theory. In the previous game, they make it clear that Kratos is an outsider to their world in the Norse mythos. Baldur says that Kratos should’ve never came to Midgard, but Midgard is supposed to be Earth. Greece obviously is on the same planet, but he had to travel to Midgard from an outside land. People have assumed that Kratos actions against Greece were worldwide, but there is absolutely no proof of that. Moreover, with Tyr’s paintings, it is clear that the deities existed in simultaneous timeframes, not successive.
Tyr and the other deities were alive when the Greek pantheon was around, but there is no significant impact that those wars had on the Norse deities. Lastly, when confronted with going the Helheim, Freya told Kratos that no flames in all the 9 Realms could melt the frost of Helheim. But when Kratos chose to use the Blades of Chaos, they were not weapons forged within the 9 Realms. Again, folks assumed they worked because Kratos was super-powerful, but his blades and their magic are produced from forgery outside of the 9 Realms. So each pantheon exists within its own template of reality that, while not inaccessible to outsiders, is largely independent of them.
I think the simplest explanation would have been for them to use the sea of chaos. Most mythologies begin with a sea of chaotic primordial matter. They could have said that from this sea of chaos many worlds can arise like bubbles, the circumstances of these bubbles rising would differ in order to explain the various creation myths. When Kratos destroyed the Greek universe, it was like that bubble popped and everything in it returned to chaos. (Or perhaps not everything as Kratos did release the power of hope so maybe that allowed it to survive). Regardless, Kratos could have floated in this sea of chaos until he “washed ashore” into another bubble, the Norse bubble.
The nine realms were separated from each other to a lesser degree than the other pantheons, hence the ability to travel more easily between them.
Each pantheon was a total 'bubble'. Collapsing a bubble (death of gods therein) removes the barrier (sea of chaos), thus creating the mortal earth. Travel between separate pantheons was more difficult so, for the most part, only the senior gods were aware of each other.
Imagine Keith David as Anubis in the future Egyptian Saga.
Honestly, I just want to play God of War set in Egypt and have Anubis either as a Boss Fight or someone we interact with.
@@joesunday199 Still like my idea?
@@rickyrackey7930 Basically.
@@joesunday199 I think Anubis will be a very important character along with Thoth.
@@rickyrackey7930 Thoth would basically be mymir (or however you spell the talking head’s name) seeing as they were both the Gods of Knowledge basically, unless I’m mistaking Mymir with someone else of the Nordic Pantheon.
These myths aren't just separated by geography, but by time too. Most we know of Norse mythology are written down in the *Old Norse* language, but this language isn't as old as ancient Greece. The Language that Scandinavians probably used at the time of ancient Greece was probably closer to *Proto-Norse* or *Proto-Germanic* and these languages are much different than Old Norse. Even the names of the Gods were different in these languages. Here are some examples:
Baldur = Baldraz
Freya = Frawjo
Odin = Wodanaz
Thor = Thunraz
Tyr = Tiwaz
@Starkiller Noir if they are going to chase the sun , they are gonna mess with Ra , egyptian god of the sun.
maybe a stretch, but does Jormungandr speak Proto-Norse/Germanic? I could have sworn there's a "Thun-" one of the times he speaks; perhaps saying something about Thor. Also, I feel like the syllables of all those words can kinda match up better than heavily distorted English or Old Norse.
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@@alikechiche9947 And the sun god and moon good in Mesopotamian
@@alikechiche9947 Way way older then even greec myths.
I always thought they were separated by geography and their origins only pertained to their "region" or territory. I also think that, for example, Hel and the Underworld are the same place, but looks different according to your beliefs.
no, thats small thinking, also it would contradict many of the murals seen in the game. There are a lot of things that wouldn't make sense if that where to be true. Like the shared sun dilema. It is stated multiple times in game that you in fact need the unity stone to travel between realms. Why would you need it if you can just travel by boat and get to Egypt or Greece? Odin seeks knowledge above all else why wouldn't he be in greece mendeling with other deities in search of knowledge and power we would have heard of him or seen him doing whatever ploy he was doing at the time ? I could go on and on but sharing just by geogragphy would create major plot holes to the story. The underworld is very different time passes completely different than in midward and guess what if you go to Asia time still passes the same. Hel is another dimension and its not the same as in greece's version of Hel, whereas there it's stated to be under the world hence the name.
@@dolphin-studio The funny thing about murals is that it's made from the creator's point of view. We're only seeing their interpretation.
The unity stone that Tyr travels with apparently could be used for time travel, because most Pantheons were established at different times.
Also, for all we know there's probably a realm of the dead, basically like a country with different states, but with a different area or state called the Underworld where Greeks go, Helheim for the Nordic people, Hell for "Christians", and since we're using in game evidence, a spectre of Zeus did appear in Helheim and it didn't look anything like the other "phantom visions" that Baldur, Atreus and Kratos saw when they all went there, so that could've been him, but dead, roaming around the dead realm. Mimir tells Kratos not go near the area and I think there's two reasons, the first is that it's probably Helheim's limits (remember that I'm using country-states) or maybe that giant bird that was in the distance is probably hostile.
@@raymondben36466 The pantheons are not on the same planet. Each a pantheon is referred to as its own world or universe with in the lore. It makes sense as jormungandur is so large he covers the world if the Greek pantheon and norse pantheon were on the same world or planet than the Greek pantheon would be able to see jormungandurs body within their pantheon
@@raymondben36466 Also Tyr the norse god of war is stated to be the only one to travel to other pantheons at will. This makes sense as Tyr has the unity stone if you don't know the unity stone allows you to travel to other universes at will, as I stated earlier each pantheon is its own universe
@@raymondben36466 by the way the unity stone in God of war is only stated to allow one to travel to the other pantheons at will not to actually time travel
Egyptian vs Persian vs Roman gods would be awesome, as it’d show what happened to the surviving Greek Gods. It also has precedence in history with Alexander the Great!
romans gods are the same as the greek ones .
@@dolphin-studio Yes & a few Greek Gods survived.
I hope we visit the Egyptian pantheon in the game after Ragnarok if there is one. Maybe Kratos and Atreus can go to several mythologies for the plot of that game.
It certainly is a box full of opportunities, Egypt, Mayan, Slavic, Chinese... A game like that could be so cool.
You can read the comics, before kratos arrived norse, he went to the Egypt first
@@dafaqu694 they made comics? that's new.
They could do the marvel/DC thing where all the gods exist and know of each other but rarely interact unless absolutely needed. Like the Sky father concept in Marvel then have the god of war version of the Presence or One above all that is the ultimate power of the universe.
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@@dolphin-studio marvel crap? This opinion is objectively wrong.
nope marvel crap, the movies suck right now, and the comments have sucked with all the woke bs since the quarantine. So yeah Marvel crap@@tertiaoptio4938
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Theory: I think the downfall and/or destruction of a pantheon creates the Earth that we live on. Each pantheons’ world is a self-contained space, but once there are not enough deities, the worlds are forced to merge unless the worlds themselves are destroyed.
I've said this same thing in many of your previous videos as well and i'm glad others have started catching on. I cannot for the life of me find the interview, but there's an article with this very same question. While Cory says it's just geography, the interview i'm referencing he also said that they are all contained universes. Every myth or story told about that mythos exists in that version of god of war, which is why concepts like 'hope' and 'fear' can be used as an actual weapon. I think, every pantheon is divided by some kind of magic that you either need to be effectively immortal like Kratos and force yourself through or smart enough to travel with magic like Tyr does.
Tyr doesn't travel with magic he uses the unity stone which allows you to travel to other universes/pantheon at will
Thank for tryna keep the hype high for ragnarok
I love the 2 pantheons fighting each other thing he was talking about like Chinese VS Japanese pantheons or Egyptian vs Indian pantheons or Aztec vs Celtic Pantheons. but in the Thanos said it best Kratos is inevitable.
dude what?
@@dolphin-studio It would be see the two sides fighting each other then Kratos kills both sides lol. I would mostly love to see a god of war game with Norse VS Greek but by end of this newsiest game there won't be many left sadly.
@wargames record of ragnarok (Anime) and smite (Game) does the same thing.
@wargames That may be but still you should check out record of Ragnarok if you like fighting animes.
@wargames no man instead I love to see Indian Pantheon fighting with other set of Pantheons
The idea of each pantheon existing in self-contained universes is pretty interesting and, frankly, not really that far-fetched. Like, seriously guys, it's not that hard to imagine.
Also, Mimir is only British in the God of War universe. In real-world mythology, he's completely Norse.
Wouldn’t say British, more Scottish myself. It’s when he says “lad” that I really hear it personally. But I really agree with the rest of what you were saying about the universes! It sounds dope.
@@Faintwolf Sorry, I meant to say Scottish.
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
Kratos in Sumerian mythology would be fun. Imagine him finding out what Enlil did behind the pantheon’s backs
Kratos stands no chance against Sumerian pantheon. They are the original gods. Making Kratos so OP that he can fight any god is retarded honestly.
i doubt sumerian will be involved because it seems theres only these hinted in the story, greek, norse, egypt, japanese and celtic
@@straykidsenthusiast they can't do Alive mythologies like Japanese
If there are five different mythologies nothing stops it of having others around.
@@straykidsenthusiast they referenced way more than those 5
I'm truly curious about this theory myself and sadly we are only left with more questions than answers. Been trying to write fanfic for years to help me get a grasp of writing my own stories eventually but my one biggest hold up is several worlds meet. This video gave some ideas and yet I'm still uncertain. The 3 main worlds I've been trying to mold together are Dragon Age/Thedas and Elder Scrolls/Nirn with Soul Calibur being brought in somewhat. The first two I feel could have several loopholes leading to the gods of DA & ES actually being one and the same but with Soul Calibur involved I began to wonder, with Kratos actually being present in one the old games as well as Link, Star Wars, Assassin's Creed, and Tekken I'm quite thrilled and concerned what that could mean for the future of my stories. Just need that final seed to connect them all.
Akin to Smite’s lore, the pantheons operate to that like our world leaders/150+ countries do in that they have their own lands and share the world with each other with rarely intervening in each other’s affairs.
I've been eagerly waiting for an upload!
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i love the myth and it gives me goosebump all the time.. love the way you explaine
Thats the beauty of making your own game its your world you control everything
So basically like a large building. There are many rooms seperate from each other, and those rooms are of various size and description. However, there is a common space shared by all---the Hallways, as it were.
Or we can think of it like bubbles floating around in one massive super bubble. All of them share this "intermediate" space, but once you step beyond a certain threshold, then we step into a unique, self-contained "mini-world" with it's own unique characteristics.
I believe Kratos at some point came into contact with some sort of Egyptian god as well. I think it was in a comic
So... It's like Magic The Gathering, and how the multitude of different Planes works, but on a large, planetary or continental scale. How each plane is individually separated from the others by a void-like plane of existence called the Blind Eternities, or The Realm Between Realms for God of War 4, and how each god, divine influence or force and some people know about other realms, even going so far as Planeswalking, or stepping in between them. And if a cosmic-level event happens in one plane, it won't spill into or affect any other planes, I guess unless brought by something strong enough to bypass the barrier... Got it.
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Basically multiple pocket universe connect to different countries.
Probably the land they share on the same earth geographically is walled off by some sort of magic that they somehow managed to cross because Midgard in the novel it’s says it’s sky is infinite and the serpent circles the earth
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to be the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
Maybe, If and only if, they are on the same world, the lands that specific pantheons of gods walk are somehow separated by a kind of barrier or magic that only affects their locations. Like the Greek pantheon dying but none of the affects of that world are seen anywhere else due to the lands having a sort of dome only condemning that land.
Or kratos somehow slipped out of his reality into a parallel, knowing the game that doesn't seem too far fetched
Yo dude you even mentioned some Reality Marbles as a different universe.
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I wonder if this theory could be the same for the underworlds like Hel and the Duwat, and the heavens like Valhalla and the field of reeds. Are the separated geographically or are they somehow spiritually connected because we did Zeus in Hel in GOW4, so it's possible.
Zeus was not in Hel, he cant be. That Zeus was just Hel messing with Kratos memories of the past. An allucination only Kratos could see. Also in the first gow games we dont really know where the gods ended up after Kratos killed them. As far as I can tell he just erased them, like, they straight up ceased to exist with Athena being the only exception to the rule (Higher existence). If they ended up in Hades let's say, why we didnt meet Poseidon again in Gow3? Or Hades himself. Why Kratos ended up in Hades when he was killed but not the other Gods? Where are Magni and Modi now? Valahalla? Hel? Nowhere? We know for sure mortals either end in Hel or Valallah in Gow4 cuz we visit Hel but we dont ever know where Gods end up in this series. I believe that the afterlife realms of each pantheons are just a magical place anyways, you dont actually end up there "physically" nor you can travel there unless you are using magical means (if you are alive) You end up there only when you are dead, cuz your spirit goes there, not your body
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Personally I think geography is the main factor separating the pantheons. It makes sense to sail from what we now know as one continent to another but of course mortals in this time or with this understanding of the world wouldn’t view it so simply. As for the realms of the underworld and Hel, I think those are regions you can only access from the specific geographical locations they’re associated with. Midgard is probably just a segment of the Earthen plane. The creation stories probably tie together through the primordial beings creating these geographic locations on one contained Earth, thus forming their own pantheon. Basically, Kratos is exploring the world and coming across these different cultures that were created by primordial beings like Ymir and the titans but probably thinks he’s traveling from one world to another
I doubt they’ll go this route, and it’s kinda out there but,
it’d be cool if the next pantheon was ancient Sumerian, with gods like Enlil, Baal, Gilgamesh etc. It could tie in the flood myth in which Kratos learns affected ALL the realms, and you find out that all the gods in every pantheon are just survivors of that catastrophe. Zeus, Odin, Enki, Thoth, all of them ruling their respective lands with ancient, long lost powers. That effectively ties in every pantheon, with a plot twist lol
Yuuuuuuuus Mesopotamia would be awesome
Zeus in Midgard hell going: “I didn’t die in Norse territory wtf?”
Looll but from what i remember im pretty sure that wasn't actually zuez that was an illusion that Hel gives to its inhabitants and one of the reasons its so scary being there. Im pretty sure.
So ... every country is a separate dimension but you can travel between them ?
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 wow ! Now i get it ! Thanks allmighty Zeus !
I thought each world is a separate universe kinda like a mirror world but each god is a concept thus having an energy tied to their power
They are, the director literally explained this so idk where this guy is getting his info from.
@@stetsonsalvatore No. He did in fact say they're separated by geography
Supernatural on the CW explained it quite well in an episode that had all the main gods come together trying to destroy the Winchesters.
I agreed I believe when all the first God came to earth like Zeus and Odin and other gods met up and probably fought and they knew if they keep fight the earth would be destroy so all the leader of the different Pantheons like Zeus and Odin decide to sign a pact and a deal to make sure they will never get involved with each drama and battle, that why when Zeus and the other greed gods was get kill by Kratos and the titan, we don't see none of the other guys help him
6:15 "Billions"? I think you'll find that the entire population of the globe didn't reach a billion until the 1750's at the earliest. Ancient Greece reached a population of around 10 million, but that exceeded their arable land and the numbers went down from there. It's back around 10 million today.
they killed the ones in the future too.
I wonder if the story will turn into to realization of a higher power above even the Gods, a power that created all of existence and formed to structure of the world we see in God of War. Leading Kratos to discover the only way to truly change to structure of the world away from gods is to put a end to THE God.
If Ymir was the FIRST and his being was separated which formed the 9 realms what ground were they fighting on when they killed him?
Niflheim and Muslphiem existed before the other realms did.
Also Ymir was the first giant, the actual first living beings were Surtur and this weird cow I believe
*if you die in Greece you go to The Underworld*
*If you die in Scandinavia you go to Helhiem*
what if you die in the middle of nowhere what if you die in a zone of conflict where the land is neither? it creates so many problems.
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*Uhh..😰😰😰😰*
*Well then it's possible you're stuck as a wandering soul*
*Like in God of War 2018*
*you can't move on to any afterlife until your affairs are in order..*
I *loved* God of War (2018) & God of War: Ragnarok.
I'm sure the first trilogy was great, but I kinda wish it would've been remade tbh, bcos:
1) I would've loved to see Greek mythology explored w/ the amazing quality of graphics, gameplay and storytelling the last two games hv had
2) I feel like I would enjoy this version of Kratos more than the rage filled monster he was in the first games (especially since he killed so many innocent ppl in Greece).
Well if they remade the Greek games, they'd have to keep him as angry to make the story make sense
The only thing makes this theory a bit difficult is the sun and moon, like Helios controlling the sun in Greek mythology, but in Norse mythology the sun and moon being chased by the wolves, so it’s like… did Helios see the wolves? And let’s say that the wolf ate the sun, wouod Helios suddenly die in Greece (is Kratos hadnt already killed him) and in Egyptian mythology, isn’t the sun being chased by a giant like serpent?
For future reference, the post tense word for wind is wound, not winded.
Mimir setting up Celts is cool. But I dont get how the world tree could exist on a planet with all the realms within it. I think its more like a bigger cosmos, in which these worlds exist seperate to one another, under their own laws of creation and nature, but there is a way to cross between them. Almost like a bigger version of the world tree, but less physical as a tree. That or its like as you say one 'world' that contains each different Pantheon and their respective version of existence. So each is self contained, whilst at the same time being connected
I like to think the gods are 4 dimensional beings, being able to travel through planes such as the earth, heaven, and the underworld in that pantheon. Kratos, however, is a new being able to travel in 5 dimensions, so not only is he able to travel the planes of his own pantheon, he can traverse to an infinite amount of different pantheons
I once read a theory that at the end of GOW3 Kratos would have met with two of his equals from other pantheons and then go to Bethlehem to honor Jesus as the one true God meaning he was one of the 3 wise men. Would have honestly been a rad ending.
Nah
Yeah that was the original creator of God of War’s idea for GOW 3 and I have to respectfully say that it would’ve been an extremely stupid idea
I think it is more like each is bound to the physical region where their faith is but each pantheon leader can modify their region as they want without natural restrictions
So if some human from Egypt died in Midgard will he go to Egyptian afterlife (duat)? Or Helhiem??
I'd like to think all pantheons are essentially their own universes with their own realms and cosmos, only way to travel is with like Tyrs travel stone. Kinda makes it ehh if they're all contained on one planet only separate by country location
also why would you need the unity stone if you can simply travel by boat. then there is the shared sun dilema the reason why the sun and moon moves it's because they are. eing chased by wolves in greek mythos you don't see Helios running away from a wolf.
@@dolphin-studio it's weird
The simplest way to explain is tht there all in the same world just different solar systems in a nutshell instead of space it’s just geography but same plane and area of existence
I think it’s a spear of influence like Greek gods influence Greece, Norse gods influence Scandinavia, Egyptian and Keltic are the same
I think the most simplest explanation would be that each of the Pantheons are in their own self contained pocket realms or universes which maybe only until the advent of Abrahamic faiths and especially Christianity is when everything got unified and solidified into a singular realm or universe which is the one we currently live in now.
I wound love a series that had the different pantheons of gods, goddesses, monsters and heroes interact
I hope they don’t use that repetitive monster thing on the new one. Where you keep fighting the same monster with different powers
The way I see it is that every continent is its own dimension and that there is a threshold that separates the pantheons
I never knew boats would be this useful for gods
I wonder how the Mesopotamian pantheon would work
It's basically like Earth is the overall multiverse, and each country is like its own singular universe.
2:00 Oh how we wished he looked like that in the game😞
Kratos vs Conchu and moon knight that's would be awesome
I think its just one giant planet and they're separated by geography in a novel ares talks about conquering Egypt from their gods to please Zeus
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to be the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
Yeah, i think I totally misunderstood what Corey meant by “geography”.
It kinda makes no sense they are separated by geography since we see when the Greek gods died the plagues are implied to have effected the whole world not just Greece
This is what we call a "retcon". In the end of GoW 1 we see Kratos still on the throne during like WW1 (or 2)
@@ORIGINALFBI yeah true but this is different. it's not retconned it just hasnt been explained thoroughly.
God Of War essentially follows that whole "It's small on the outside but big on the inside" Tv/movie trope you often see....I don't know if you ever watched Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire but in that movie they had like these magical tents that were much larger on the inside than they were on the outside, on the outside they appeared to the size of your average tent but when you stepped inside you'd see the interior of these tents were as big as the interior of a large house, how the pantheons are separated in God Of War's lore operates under this same logic, the pantheons on the outside appear to be the size of normal countries but on the inside they're the size of entire universes, with their own respectives suns, stars galaxies etc and so essentially whenever you travel to another country and step into it's borders, you step into it's universal/multiversal sized interior and that interior is the "mythology"
@@ORIGINALFBI The pantheons are not on the same planet. Each a pantheon is referred to as its own world or universe with in the lore. It makes sense as jormungandur is so large he covers the world if the Greek pantheon and norse pantheon were on the same world or planet than the Greek pantheon would be able to see jormungandurs body within their pantheon
@@ORIGINALFBI Also Tyr the norse god of war is stated to be the only one to travel to other pantheons at will. This makes sense as Tyr has the unity stone if you don't know the unity stone allows you to travel to other universes at will, as I stated earlier each pantheon is its own universe
Best way I can visualize it is imagining if the God Of War Universe is a whole pepperoni pizza:
Earth that every pantheon shares = crust and cheese
Each pantheon with own set of rules = pepperoni
My mini theory for now is that the Earth is the physical planet but each pantheon is it’s own plane of existence upon that earth.
Its like an onion. Every layer is a different world of pantheons and can only be travelled through the realm between realm i guess
Maybe there’s an overgod(s) that keep the boundaries of a world separate from the other worlds.
I do believe that the Olympians spirits will aid Kratos to destroy Oden in the end!
God of War and multirealm of madness?
After Ragnarok, the gods of other Pantheons will gather in order stop Kratos. With the gods thinking that he’s set on destroying them.
It makes a lot of sense because you have the north mythology and in places like Ireland and things of that nature you will have the Greek mythology in Rome he will have the Egyptian mythology and Egypt you will have you know the Japanese mythology over there in Japan so you do you have different "God's" in different areas and stuff like that other people who worship them and some even Go by different names
in rome you have the roman gods which are the greek ones except with different name.
@@dolphin-studio i know that but thanks tho
6:24 I don't know about that, in GoW4 the temple of the nine was submerged for over 150 years duo to a great flood, when Kratos killed Poseidon on the third game he created a flood that destroyed Greece, I think that flood wasn't solely contained to the Hellenistic world, since it is said that the time jump between the two games is also about a hundred years.
it was because of the serpent what do you mean great flood.
No way dude that’s crazy. It’s a different dimension or something. They definitely do t exist within the same world together.
Maybe it's like Multiverse where each Pantheon exists in their own universes.
How kratos made it to the Norse lands is some of the biggest suspension of disbelief in gaming . They explained very well how Tyr made it to various realms and world's but kratos made no sense . At the end of gow 3 he doomed the planet, darkened the world and flooded everyone and everything. So how did he walk or traveled out of Greece and that world and made it to Egypt and then Midgard ? It's too much of a suspension for me . But whatever I guess . Ragnarok better be fire is all I know
Theres a comic of him sailing to the norse lands, more so the comic was about the blades being cursed.
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i know this is fiction but one way to look at it is when they mention realm I can equate it to a country or empire and there is a jurisdiction or border for each empire. from ages ago where we didnt know the concept of the world, i bet they probably described different civilizations as a new world or a different world. I have to put myself in their shoes. If i was only in 1 place for the rest of my life and worship gods in that area only, I would definitely call other places as realms or other worlds. We have more knowledge now about our world that we forget that people from before thinks that 3 cities down the road is the whole world.
i miss the rules of nature intro
It’s honestly as simple as it sounds.. lol plus a little extra imagination 🤷🏽♂️ All the pantheons exist on 1 Earth, simultaneously. The only thing that separates them is distance, for example Greece is 1,774miles always form Sweden(which is a modern day Nordic country, which is separated by mostly land & the Baltic Sea, it would take 3 weeks to get there on foot. From Greece to Egypt is 5,263 miles, & from Sweden to Africa is 6,513miles. , from Sweden to Japan is 7,000 miles! The only reason Greece was destroyed & Scandinavia wasn’t is because 1700 miles away. 😂 it’s basically self contained countries that contain entire universe.
youre talkin bout real life vs a game, live a little cmon!
That makes no sense
Via Geography! Cory Barlog said it in 2018. Don't even bother watching.
10:50 There has been a new wall painting found that explains how kratos traveled to norse mythology. And also the pantheons don't exist all on the same planet/world, instead each pantheon is like its own galaxy and/or dimension explaining why we don't see the aftermath of god of war 3 in 4
My take on the the different pantheons involves the flat earth theory, where each world ends at there borders and falls off to another on the ends
cory barolog has explained the way all the pantheons exist in the universe heres a link to the GDC interview (time stamp 5:10):
ua-cam.com/video/aIb-Lt7WX_s/v-deo.html
In the Bible all the fallen angels are called principalities that exist and rule in different portions of the heavenlies. Most humans know nothing about the governing body of the fallen angels but the principalities know each other and conspire amongst themselves to keep the humans in the dark.
And it works because most humans think mythology is just something made up even though there is a very obvious push by the powers that be to keep the names of the fallen angels in our mouth through media (read:mediums) i.e. games, superhero (genesis 6:4) movies. Though people may admit that it is weird how the mythology has been intentionally brought to the present, they will have difficulty admitting that the stories are about fallen angels because the truth is just too frightening when you’ve been living in a dreamworld.
Daniel 10 talks about how the principalities of Persia tried to stop the angel Gabriel from sending a message to a human that pretty much exposed a plot the gods were hatching for the future.
All mythology of the past and UFO mythology of the present, is based on the fallen angels and nephilim. The parallels are there and make the truth obvious if you want it.
It’s just that we’ve all been programmed to think the Bible is fake, so as obvious as it is the people are just not gonna see it.
I think Kratos is either in Sweden, or Norway
Unlikely he is in Denmark judging by the terrain, Denmark is a very flat county
And it's probably not Finland
I think there some angels who rebel against the god and survive from first war in heaven before humans appeared in earth and the other angels are disguise as a god
Different universes separated by unimaginable distances. Otherwise it would not make any sense. As greek myth and norse myth has different ogirin story for the universe. It would not fit together. Also When Kratos Killed Gods in greece it pretty much Destroyed what they were god of. Like Helios- Sun stopped existing. Yet in New games we see Sun. So it basicaly Confirms It is different Universe.
We have to consider that these myths were created by people who had no concept of the size of the Earth, the breadth of other cultures and that the world in their immediate surroundings was the only conceivable world. As far as the Greeks were concerned, Greek lands and Greek Gods were the truth of the world, as did the Norse, Egyptians, Persians etc all believe of their respective worlds. The understanding of the world grew over time, with Abrahamic religion removing the Geographic restrictions and scientific advancement explaining the natural phenomena that gods represented.
Kratos said himself that he arrived from distant shores (on boat I guess) to his current location, so it's just geography.
that fact that he doesn't remeber and you can read it on the official game's novel where it demonstrates that there is a lot that we don't know, to say that as a fact is just headcannon.
@@dolphin-studio Wait, what? He said something and he doesn't rember it? Do you hear yourself?
@@R0BEARTH The pantheons are not on the same planet. Each a pantheon is referred to as its own world or universe with in the lore. It makes sense as jormungandur is so large he covers the world if the Greek pantheon and norse pantheon were on the same world or planet than the Greek pantheon would be able to see jormungandurs body within their pantheon
@@R0BEARTH Also Tyr the norse god of war is stated to be the only one to travel to other pantheons at will. This makes sense as Tyr has the unity stone if you don't know the unity stone allows you to travel to other universes at will, as I stated earlier each pantheon is its own universe
@@R0BEARTHwe don't know how Kratos got to norse
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i think this vid just got used in a news thing so nice they ripping u off
remember that you can litterally climb out of hades its a place beneath Greece not another realm.
hades is the god not the place, the underworld also it is stated to be infinite so yes it's under but its also another realm. time passes diferent in the realms too sharing the same space wouldn't affect time yet it does.
I have one question was Kratos born a God or was he created into a god
He was born a Demi-God and earned being a God by killing ares, He was originally Zues son but neither of them knew/ cares because his mother was a peasent.
Feel like god of war gonna end like 3 someone gets dique kilt but comes back mid to end next game
What if Athena ends up aiding Odin
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I don’t think they’re on the same earth. All the mythos’ have things in them that effect their universes. Such as Ragnarok (which resets the universe, right?) Or in greek mythology, the milky way was created because Heracles was ripped from Hera’s tiddy.(lol) and her breast milk created the milky way. Aztec, Japanese,Hindu(Hindu especially) Egyptianand Chinese are just as linear and don’t open much room for other verses.