Here's an important point. If Carlsen were one of the 3 Super-GMs with the world to play against another sole Super-GM, Carlsen would also lose. In fact, ANY sole Super-GM would win in this format. All GMs will frequently see the correct move, but subsequent GMs are forced to make a DIFFERENT suggestion. This has the effect of confusing "The World" who will then frequently blunder by choosing the wrong move. This has the effect of Lowering the collective Three GM rating. The world is a huge liability ;-)
Necro, but this would probably be true of any GM except Carlsen, because of how popular he is. People would convince themselves that the move he suggests is correct and vote for it. If the GM who suggests moves is not identified then yes any single GM would win this.
+Zoe TheCat i'd say that yes indeed, there will be a cost for the time required to agree on a solution that the sole GM doesnt need to pay. But is not clear whether or not putting carlsen in the world team against a slightly weaker sole super gm would make the latter win the game though, because the world could agree to prioritize carlsen's decisions which are more likely to be at least as good as the opponent's one, since he's world no1 and thus reduce that cost.
i love how your videos are so long. it allows room for every detail. other Chess players simply say things like "f5 is no good" and simple explanations that dont give a thorough idea of whats going on, for beginners like myself. thank you very much and keep it up.
I would love to see Carlsen vs Houdini, or as another commenter below suggested, Carlsen, Kasparov and Kramnik / Nakamura or another 3rd GM against Houdini. Would be interesting to see if they could take on that monster.
Jerry is the best commentary voice next to Josh waitzkin IMPO. He always points out the moves that would seem obvious and explain why they are bad. I like that cause im always picking those ones.
One question- are the 3 GM required to offer 3 different moves, or could there be duplication. In some situations, I would think it would be unanimous.
Jerry, I think your video pacing is excellent. I also like how you'll quickly say a moves' effect on the game ('and this piece was basically locked down in this position for the rest of the game').
Absolutely amazing. I loved the video and the commentary. It was great to see various variations that could occur. Keep up making videos of the masters! I would love to see more.
it seems like there were multiple opportunities for black's rook to avoid the discovered attack mentioned at 11:54, such as moving back to ...b7, ...b8 or earlier to ...c8 .
These types of situations have been bugging me for months, in positions like on 3:28, how valid is sacrificing a minor piece to develop another? Like with Nf5, exf5, Bxf5?
Great analysis, very insightful. It's interesting to see how the complexities of the game of chess get simplified, and yet there is still a lot of depth in the game. Magnus's positional chess style really shines through in this match, and i'm sure in many of his other matches it's visible as well. Good vid.
wow! you really clear things up and help even the most clueless players (like me) to understand what is really going on and want the players plan to do and why they make the moves they do :) Ive seen more of your videos before and you are just amazing! You explain every detail and it's not boring to watch at all!
AHHHHH those terrible chess pieces .____. it hurts my eyes^^... nothing fits, it's very uncomfortable to look at. the board is streched horizontallyand there is no reason for those we-wanna-be-3D-chess-pieces pieces.They look like on a smartphone app that's wants to be pretty but ends but being butt ugly.
Au contraire, my friend. The things that make a chess video worth seeing IMHO are: more variations (why this and not that), good positional analysis, mixed with some commentator magic. And Jerry just does all of them.
He participated in the 2012 championship determining matches but withdrew from the tournament shortly afterwards due to the fact that he didn't like that the current champion has a built in advantage of watching all of their possible contenders tire themselves out and learning their play style and tactics. I'm sure had he not withdrawn he would've had a great chance at taking the title from Anand.
The "world" resigned because of the inevitable queen/rook exchange that would leave white with just a minor piece (the knight) while black would still retain a rook. Black has more mobility. Black can check the king whenever he wants and can create situations where it'll be a fork on the knight and king. The rook can also keep the king and knight away from pawns pretty easily and can lock down a file to allow easy pawn advancement/promotion to queen. Pawn promotion is inevitable here and checkmate will soon follow.
Hey man, I've subscribed to your videos- they're great and very informative, and I've only really started taking an interest in Chess. Please keep making more. Thanks.
@lazimofo90 I agree w/ your observations on this one. From what I gathered, the match should have been titled, "Carlsen vs. Nakamura", not "Carlsen vs. the World". I'm not sure why Nakamura had so much influence over the other GM's. Granted, he is a blitz-monster, but outside the U.S., well, "the World" never had a prayer.
what happens in the matches of a GM vs The World is that some of the people who played and vote don't realize a lot of things that are happening on the board. Like the 3 weak points that u pointed at. However, really good game by Magnus Carlsen. Thanks for the video Jerry
I'm really curious to see what the choices were for these moves. My guess is that in most cases the majority of people would go for suggestions put up by the GMs. In which case, would it be fair to say that Carlsen essentially beat 3 GMs working in concert?
Matthew Woolner The beginning explained this. It said that the three GMs put up their own respective options for a move, and the 'world' voted one of the three. The public couldn't vote against the three GMs.
i like the emphasis on how certain moves can change the structure of the board down the line... positional play can be difficult to see for beginners (like me)
queen cant take because of the rook, so after bishop takes, queen exchange, then bishop is pinned, allowing white rook to double up and there won't be any way to protect the piece from being lost
Fun fact. 3 grandmasters will almost certainly be worse than 1 if they don't communicate between eachother. Plus, the world would not be able to decide on a better move unless the majority of the voters can calculate good enough on this level. It could've been nice to know what other 2 options did the world have in every taken move
What if x ... Ra5? If x+1 a8Q then Ra8, x+2 Ra8 and black can still make damage with the knight, after unpinning it. Not easy but maybe can try for a tie. Not?
Very nice analysis. Unfortunately "The World" would be better with just one GM suggestion, since theoretically, each GM could purse with a move a different strategy from the other two GMs thus shuffling from a 20 move calculus for example. But great game non the less :)
Actually I think that 6... Nc6 is a kind of a weird move, because knight goes on e7 and stays there without a play. 6... Nbd7 is better with the idea 7. 0-0 e5, 8. e4 c6 and then maybe Qa5, ed, Ne5. Anyway, Magnus plays very strong chess
@TheSchaef I think he was the one who posted on twitter whos said the opening he was unfamilliar with and asked people not to vote to him.... yet people did
"The world" means just that: "the world" as representatively as possible. It does not mean "Magnus Carlsen vs The 50 top GMs working together". I think the main purpose of these kind of matches is to promote chess to the public (a great cause!) and not to beat Magnus Carlsen
Magnus is the future of chess hes only 19 and and has an ELO of 2826. Thats why Kasporov is working with him, he knows Magnus is going places and he wants credit for it lol.
7:30 why let the situation be as it is when you can when you can move the pawn from b7 to b6! THUMBS UP IF U THINK I'M RIGHT ..... im an amateur so your vote or comment will help me to learn something
I wonder what the highest rated player for the world was, but realistically I think there were a few Grand masters and mostly players under 2200. I'm have a 1600 otb rating and if I play against (10) 1400's I bet I would still win . I would be interested if Magnus would play vs the World where the world is the other top 10 players. Like Anand, wouldn't be fare, but if Magnus wins then he is by far the best.
Don't agree on this but i'm not so good in chess. but why not take the queen of black instead of moving horse back ? they can't get white queen after it right>?
He is the top ranked player in the world. I would assume that he is beatable (he is human, after all), but his reputation would indicate that doing so would require skill beyond that of even the best players.
@laypyuzawwinhtut I think Magnus beat Anand in some tourney last week or so and he's back at No. 1 while now there's there players above 2800 right now which is a bit crazy.
I participated for about 5 minutes before their server got overloaded, after which I couldn't pick anything. Kasparov's commentary was interesting though.
Wrong title. It must Magnus Carlsen Vs World minus Magnus Carlsen
+leteveryoneknow We don't know that he wasn't voting on blacks move
More correctly vs. rest of the world.
Are you really bothered about a title when it's obvious what it means? (dumbfounded)
but the world is not these 4 people
minus me also. i wasn't avaliable. i was on a trip in transylvania.
...and the world ends up resigning!!!
6:24 Thought he was going to say "it's at this point that black simply resigns" lol
Krumax Made me laugh xD
Jerry: “It’s at this point that Black simply res“
Me: WHAT
Jerry: “olves this tension”
Jerry giving move advice for the world.. Gotta love it.
upload again or gay
Here's an important point. If Carlsen were one of the 3 Super-GMs with the world to play against another sole Super-GM, Carlsen would also lose. In fact, ANY sole Super-GM would win in this format.
All GMs will frequently see the correct move, but subsequent GMs are forced to make a DIFFERENT suggestion. This has the effect of confusing "The World" who will then frequently blunder by choosing the wrong move. This has the effect of Lowering the collective Three GM rating. The world is a huge liability ;-)
The GMs could suggest the same move. And they also did that from time to time (i.e. forced captures etc). This resulted in no vote for that move.
Necro, but this would probably be true of any GM except Carlsen, because of how popular he is. People would convince themselves that the move he suggests is correct and vote for it. If the GM who suggests moves is not identified then yes any single GM would win this.
Zoe you clearly didn't play the game.
Great point, I like the way you think :)
+Zoe TheCat i'd say that yes indeed, there will be a cost for the time required to agree on a solution that the sole GM doesnt need to pay.
But is not clear whether or not putting carlsen in the world team against a slightly weaker sole super gm would make the latter win the game though, because the world could agree to prioritize carlsen's decisions which are more likely to be at least as good as the opponent's one, since he's world no1 and thus reduce that cost.
_"The world [resigns]."_ - ChessNetwork 2017
excuse me ...i'm not responsible for that lost
Jack Set haha
The world resigns hahah
Josh k ...~
i love how your videos are so long. it allows room for every detail. other Chess players simply say things like "f5 is no good" and simple explanations that dont give a thorough idea of whats going on, for beginners like myself. thank you very much and keep it up.
I would love to see Carlsen vs Houdini, or as another commenter below suggested, Carlsen, Kasparov and Kramnik / Nakamura or another 3rd GM against Houdini. Would be interesting to see if they could take on that monster.
@kettellive The world was anyone who wanted to participate and cast there vote from move to move. So the world is, in part, you!
Jerry is the best commentary voice next to Josh waitzkin IMPO. He always points out the moves that would seem obvious and explain why they are bad. I like that cause im always picking those ones.
9:29 didn't he miss the queen exchange? moving both knights instead of queen take?
@knife071 No, I just reviewed it afterwards.
Jerry better is, The World number 1 vs The World.
One question- are the 3 GM required to offer 3 different moves, or could there be duplication. In some situations, I would think it would be unanimous.
Casey Vee nah they could pick any move.
Jerry, I think your video pacing is excellent. I also like how you'll quickly say a moves' effect on the game ('and this piece was basically locked down in this position for the rest of the game').
Absolutely amazing. I loved the video and the commentary. It was great to see various variations that could occur. Keep up making videos of the masters! I would love to see more.
it seems like there were multiple opportunities for black's rook to avoid the discovered attack mentioned at 11:54, such as moving back to ...b7, ...b8 or earlier to ...c8 .
These types of situations have been bugging me for months, in positions like on 3:28, how valid is sacrificing a minor piece to develop another? Like with Nf5, exf5, Bxf5?
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Hello
Great analysis, very insightful. It's interesting to see how the complexities of the game of chess get simplified, and yet there is still a lot of depth in the game. Magnus's positional chess style really shines through in this match, and i'm sure in many of his other matches it's visible as well. Good vid.
@jilow Thanks J-low :)
wow! you really clear things up and help even the most clueless players (like me) to understand what is really going on and want the players plan to do and why they make the moves they do :) Ive seen more of your videos before and you are just amazing! You explain every detail and it's not boring to watch at all!
At 8:51 what about queen takes queen and knd7 ,rb4 and nc5
Very clear commentary. I struggle with advanced commentary with lots of lines. Thanks for keeping it simple!
There's a lot of problems with this format that advantage Carlsen here.
1. Ba6, Qa7 2. rook a7, rook b6, ending in pinned bishop and black rook down.
AHHHHH those terrible chess pieces .____. it hurts my eyes^^... nothing fits, it's very uncomfortable to look at. the board is streched horizontallyand there is no reason for those we-wanna-be-3D-chess-pieces pieces.They look like on a smartphone app that's wants to be pretty but ends but being butt ugly.
The pieces hurt your eyes yet your comment annoyed mines ^^ !
Awkward Alan Why does it matter? It's about the game not the appearance of the pieces.
CakeStak
Cos it's very uncomfortable to look at, disrupting concentration.
Awkward Alan Well maybe if you have ADHD you shouldn't be playing chess.
NaughtyNickers
Wow, someone has no clue about ADHD :'D But I give you the benefit of the doubt that you just wanted to make a joke^^
This is probably the best analysis of a game I've seen for my level. Very interesting, cheers.
@corkkyle Thank you. :)
Great video
Good game aswell, I was glad to be a part of it, too bad we(the world) lost
Au contraire, my friend. The things that make a chess video worth seeing IMHO are: more variations (why this and not that), good positional analysis, mixed with some commentator magic. And Jerry just does all of them.
Nicely done. I really enjoyed your analysis. Will look for more of your stuff.
at 9:55 Nc7 was in my opinion a mistake because after f3 Bc7 - Qxd6 White's up a pawn and has a clear advantage
He participated in the 2012 championship determining matches but withdrew from the tournament shortly afterwards due to the fact that he didn't like that the current champion has a built in advantage of watching all of their possible contenders tire themselves out and learning their play style and tactics. I'm sure had he not withdrawn he would've had a great chance at taking the title from Anand.
ur positional understanding is stunning
The "world" resigned because of the inevitable queen/rook exchange that would leave white with just a minor piece (the knight) while black would still retain a rook. Black has more mobility. Black can check the king whenever he wants and can create situations where it'll be a fork on the knight and king. The rook can also keep the king and knight away from pawns pretty easily and can lock down a file to allow easy pawn advancement/promotion to queen. Pawn promotion is inevitable here and checkmate will soon follow.
Hey man, I've subscribed to your videos- they're great and very informative, and I've only really started taking an interest in Chess. Please keep making more. Thanks.
@lazimofo90 I agree w/ your observations on this one. From what I gathered, the match should have been titled, "Carlsen vs. Nakamura", not "Carlsen vs. the World".
I'm not sure why Nakamura had so much influence over the other GM's. Granted, he is a blitz-monster, but outside the U.S., well, "the World" never had a prayer.
what happens in the matches of a GM vs The World is that some of the people who played and vote don't realize a lot of things that are happening on the board. Like the 3 weak points that u pointed at. However, really good game by Magnus Carlsen.
Thanks for the video Jerry
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@8mikomi8 Agreed!
awesome comentary
very helpful videos!! you explanition are clear and very smart! it helped me particulary on the opening theories! thanks dude
Magnus Carlsen is the best
Gixeer75 Now he can defeat all players but how long ?!?
I'm really curious to see what the choices were for these moves. My guess is that in most cases the majority of people would go for suggestions put up by the GMs. In which case, would it be fair to say that Carlsen essentially beat 3 GMs working in concert?
Matthew Woolner The beginning explained this. It said that the three GMs put up their own respective options for a move, and the 'world' voted one of the three. The public couldn't vote against the three GMs.
Nice, everytime i see one of your video's i learn something. Keep up the good work!
i like the emphasis on how certain moves can change the structure of the board down the line... positional play can be difficult to see for beginners (like me)
9:08 Why didnt Magnus take the queen?
Jan Srba look at g4
Frozen Light Och i didnt saw the bishop, thanks :)
But not Everybody who are smart plays our game !@*
Same type of Stand?
Thanks for the cancer. Looking forward to next season. Oh and...what ar3 yu fkin gai?
@8mikomi8 well you can't really call deep blue a gm, but anand, topalov or fischer would have been good bets too : )
Fun stuff! Thanks for posting!
Excellent as usual. Thanks for your hard work.
at min 15:19 instead of black going king F7, should've went bishop c8:a6 taking the white pawn?
Wow. That was a very efficient game by Magnus. He was relentless.
queen cant take because of the rook, so after bishop takes, queen exchange, then bishop is pinned, allowing white rook to double up and there won't be any way to protect the piece from being lost
Fun fact. 3 grandmasters will almost certainly be worse than 1 if they don't communicate between eachother. Plus, the world would not be able to decide on a better move unless the majority of the voters can calculate good enough on this level. It could've been nice to know what other 2 options did the world have in every taken move
No
What if x ... Ra5?
If x+1 a8Q then Ra8, x+2 Ra8 and black can still make damage with the knight, after unpinning it. Not easy but maybe can try for a tie. Not?
Not versus carlsen hahahahah are you joking me man
Very nice analysis. Unfortunately "The World" would be better with just one GM suggestion, since theoretically, each GM could purse with a move a different strategy from the other two GMs thus shuffling from a 20 move calculus for example. But great game non the less :)
Very insightful! It really helps me play better when I listen to the reasoning behind these moves!
Anyone know what engine/program this is? I actually really like the pieces.
chess openings wizard
Actually I think that 6... Nc6 is a kind of a weird move, because knight goes on e7 and stays there without a play. 6... Nbd7 is better with the idea 7. 0-0 e5, 8. e4 c6 and then maybe Qa5, ed, Ne5. Anyway, Magnus plays very strong chess
Thanks sverio. :)
Outstanding explanation of Magnus' mastery. You are an excellent teacher!
11:20 why couldn't the black rook take knight on c3?
@TheSchaef I think he was the one who posted on twitter whos said the opening he was unfamilliar with and asked people not to vote to him.... yet people did
Thanks rmb. :)
Jerry did you take part for the decisions?
makes me want to go play chess again. Won states in high school but stopped playing. Time to bring it back.
"The world" means just that: "the world" as representatively as possible. It does not mean "Magnus Carlsen vs The 50 top GMs working together". I think the main purpose of these kind of matches is to promote chess to the public (a great cause!) and not to beat Magnus Carlsen
Magnus is the future of chess hes only 19 and and has an ELO of 2826. Thats why Kasporov is working with him, he knows Magnus is going places and he wants credit for it lol.
The opening is sometimes the most important part of a game. It is where you build steam.
why is magnus carlsen so much more special then other grandchessmaster, does he like have a lot better rating
@Babsy972 Thanks babs. :)
cxd5 was the mistake in the position because now white has already the advantage on the queenside and the knight is dead wood on e7
7:30 why let the situation be as it is when you can when you can move the pawn from b7 to b6! THUMBS UP IF U THINK I'M RIGHT ..... im an amateur so your vote or comment will help me to learn something
God this is an ugly board
It's incredible how much weaker three GM's working together (long-distance) are than one GM working alone.
I wonder what the highest rated player for the world was, but realistically I think there were a few Grand masters and mostly players under 2200. I'm have a 1600 otb rating and if I play against (10) 1400's I bet I would still win . I would be interested if Magnus would play vs the World where the world is the other top 10 players. Like Anand, wouldn't be fare, but if Magnus wins then he is by far the best.
Don't agree on this but i'm not so good in chess. but why not take the queen of black instead of moving horse back ? they can't get white queen after it right>?
@8mikomi8 I'd like to see Karpov, Fischer, and Spassky vs. Carlsen
@jasonpatrickries After bishop takes on h3 bh3, qh3 will come into effect, planting the queen in the white position and weakening it.
@leakycauldron1 Agreed. You have a collection of various different minds all trying to coordinate their separate ideas. Must be confusing.
3:56 black night is STALEMATE
@8mikomi8 No because if the world has to choose from three possible moves it will miss the best ones. The "world" just weakens the grandmasters.
When black moves knight e8, at 9:01 couldn't white simply capture the queen?
Then it will be just simply a queen exchange because after Qxd7 black will respond Bxd7.
I'm new to chess and i like/need to hear all this.
He is the top ranked player in the world. I would assume that he is beatable (he is human, after all), but his reputation would indicate that doing so would require skill beyond that of even the best players.
@laypyuzawwinhtut I think Magnus beat Anand in some tourney last week or so and he's back at No. 1 while now there's there players above 2800 right now which is a bit crazy.
How many people are actually voting?
doesn't h3 at 10:00 trap the bishop or win the pawn on d6?
It's fun how he says we when tlaking about Magnes Carlsen, since he was playing agianst the world, which actually is the 'we' here..
fantastic commentary!!
Thanks a lot Jerry. You made my day.
World class commentary good job
I participated for about 5 minutes before their server got overloaded, after which I couldn't pick anything. Kasparov's commentary was interesting though.