Dragon Ball GT: A MASSIVE Review
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My experience navigating Dragon Ball GT was a nightmare experience. I made this journey across the hellscape that was Dragon Ball GT's Black Star Dragon Balls a couple of years ago and figured it was time to create a single video with the entire experience crammed into one video for ease of viewing.
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Is this a supercut??
@@crckerjack5852 Looks like it's compilation of his individual db gt reviews
Kevin Conroy has passed away
@@eddyrehman9026 I know
That ending hit hard cause back then, that was the end. There was no 'The End' at the end of Dragonball and Dragonball Z, when you saw it at the end of GT, especially with it being 100 years later and Pan being the only character left, it just felt so final.
And for me is the actual final.
till you remember they made a canon gt movie where they go along with the ending
Yeah.......sometimes I wish Super never existed. Honestly.
For the all the bad moments GT provided, it had a beautiful ending to finish off the Dragon Ball franchise once and for all.
I don't even know if Super will ever even have an actual ending so long as marketing demand keeps happening these days.
GT may not be canon, but at least I can say it actually had a satisfying ending.
Felt depressing as hell honestly because they ruined so many characters and wasted so much potential of the new generation with Uub and Pan in particular. While there were some good elements, like SSJ4 essentially bringing things full circle with a Saiyan's most unique aspects (their tails and Oozaru transformation) that got lost and largely forgotten about upon the end of the Saiyan Saga, most of it was just awful and painful to watch. Even back then most of the villains just felt stupid and confusing. Didn't help Funimation's English dub had the god awful rap song intro and the score for the dub was so awfully edgy for no reason, creating a horribly confusing and much darker atmosphere than the original anime portrayed.
It was like where Faulconer's score in DBZ added scifi/mystery/alien elements and made certain scenes feel more intense or dramatic, GT's was just constant intensity and low guitar chords that made it almost metal for some reason.
In general GT just felt so awfully disconnected and horribly written, to where it took a fat dump on anyone not named Goku. The ending in the dub didn't feel sweet or like a pleasant send off to me, it just felt disappointing and confusing as to why there was a Goku and Vegeta Jr, with Pan's potential completely wasted.
For me the only reason it hit at all was because it showed the journey Goku had gone through. The ending made absolutely no sense what-so-ever. I always wondered why Goku went with the dragon. He wasn't the one that initially went looking for the dragon balls, hell he himself hardly ever used the dragon balls, it was mostly his friends. The whole thing just made no sense. Goku has absolutely no connection to any of the dragons other than the 4 star ball being a keepsake from Gohan.
It was just so contrived and stupid in an attempt to get a reaction from an ultimately boring series.
Surprised you didn't mention that the 4-Star Dragon being Goku's ally was a callback to the beginning of the entire franchise when the 4-Star Dragonball was a family heirloom from his adoptive grandfather.
He's biased towards being a gt hater so of course he wouldn't
@@dillonu.4975no, he's not
@@dillonu.4975 doesn't fix the bs ending it got.
you're acting like the fan base gives a crap about the og db. Explains why most people dont like the shift from dbz to a more og db direction in gt.
As far as what Baby became, it’s kind of amazing. He became what he never wanted to be, but he also became what Vegeta USED to be. It’s a pretty full circle situation.
I just wish he didn't have to rob Vegeta of all his agency.
I actually like the Earth as moon thing... it is an interesting reversal. Also, from the surface of any satellite, the planet it revolves around would appear to be a moon. Most importantly, the idea that the Earth itself unlocks Goku's ultimate power is thematic af.
And we've seen the Saiyans use the power ball to transform so it's not like this is a first.
I just feel its bizarre because...wouldnt that sort of happen with most planets then? How did the saiyans travelling to other planets not accidentally go oozaru?
@@manipulatortrash that's why they always have their eyes closed while traveling in their space pods, probably
@@WoobertAIO i mean, the question then is: why do they have windows on their pods anyways? They sent literal babies to planets, what's stopping them from accidentally going oozaru in outer space?
I'm pretty sure this is just poor writing on gt's part tbf, it makes no sense considering it was always specified to be a "full moon," but it still feels a bit weird considering how many accidents could occur. I mean, why didn't vegeta just use the earth in the goku vs vegeta fight? Blutz waves aren't really dependent on proximity from what we've seen with the power ball, so realistically every planet would trigger the transformation...?
@@manipulatortrashSpace is a huge place.You're very unlikely to encounter a planet you are not traveling to, and becoming an Ozaru as you approach isn't that much of an issue since they were planning on becoming one anyways. Hence the pod's projectors which can display a fake moon for planets that have none.
Also, their pod's windows could be tinted in a way that blocks Butz waves, preventing premature transformation.
Fun fact: it’s narratively satisfying that Goku befriends the dragon that represents the Four Star Dragon Ball, because that was the Dragon Ball that Goku originally owned at the beginning of the series. He also has a deep emotional connection to the Four Star Dragon Ball because when he was little he believed that it housed the soul of his late Grandpa Gohan.
Honestly this was the most heartfelt story line in the whole of gt. First time I had real nostalgia.
honestly nostalgia done right.
Was that intentional or a coincidence by the writers?
@@aster7420 Obviously intentional
@@sylphy6662 Wow..props for them ngl.
My biggest disappointment was never seeing a grown up Gotenks. They were even about the fuse but get told not to.
My friend watching literally stood up and shouted, "Let them fuse!"
Even Super Hero kinda teased people with that by showing an improperly fused high-school aged Gotenks, but keeping the properly fused Gotenks offscreen
@@rocksaltinyt at least super didn't end yet do there's still a chance to see a grown up Gotenks
@@hectorandrade8729 speaking of which, i wonder what Super’s final arc will be, maybe Frieza doing a full scale siege on the universe
Well Xeno Gotenks is what grown up Gotenks will look like. I doubt they gonna do any drastic change considering the canon Gogeta just look similar to the non-canon version
@@sentientmustache8360Frieza is supposedly tying to become the strongest literally ever so this seems plausible. Also could mean that Goku/Vegeta can officially be the strongest in the uni/multiverse if they beat him
I still love how Piccolo “The Demon King” wound up staying in Hell as essentially a security guard. It’s dope.
Piccolo is a stoic Samurai, he's basically the battle narrator in DBZ. He speaks directly to us the audience in giving insight on the fight. He's a great strategist.
@@Jameslawz
Ikr he’s awesome
He takes the role demon king to its righteous conclusion
Piccolo/kame is suzaku the scarlet Phoenix. Byakko the white…tiger fox thing..is definitely Korin. Summoning the dragon at roshis island is a direct homage to genbu the rock tortoise with a dragon tail. The only stretch is Seriyu the blue dragon being popo. Who was definitely blue in some iterations of DB.
Dragonball might be Japanese but Goku Sumerian af! That’s 100% Gilgamesh. Champion of the world.
Soon as I realized the parallels between goku and Gilgamesh the king piccolo saga became my favorite. Plus roshi is my favorite character for the way he redeems and purifies the two monks souls.
The best moment in all of dragonball (yes all of it) is when goku kills king piccolo and screams I DID IT!!!!!
Timestamps For those who might need it or just wanna know Mark's thoughts on a specific arc.
THE BLACK STAR DRAGON BALLS (Blackstar Ball Arc): 1:06
THE BOSS BABY (Baby Arc): 17:17
17 + 17= 17 (Super 17 Arc): 35:16
SAVE BIGGER GREEN! (Shadow Dragons Arc): 50:45
Super seventeen having to constantly pull his hair back is the most well thought out aspect of his entire arc
rubber band
@@CYeoung Y’know, maybe that band would snap and he’d be distracted for like, 5 seconds and then Goku could hit him with the Dragon Fist
the fun thing is. it's competely realistic. I have the exact same type of hair style as super 17 ( well minus the giant hair antenna and the obvious anime style.) That is just what happens. I do the same thing all the time. With hair like that your hair falls down on your face everytime you as much as look down. Which Super 17 is doing quite a lot in this arc.
also a cool design
He looks hella cool
I personally really liked the idea of Bulma being possessed and totally screwing everybody over. She's pretty much the smartest scientist in the whole universe. It makes sense that she would quickly be able to make a weapon able to destroy the Z fighters.
Gero: Behold! Androids!
Possessed Bulma: Rookie shit
Exactly as we know she’s just as if not smarter than her dad and in minutes had designed high tech stuff
The idea? Sure, implementation is another matter though
@@jamesjohnston5749 yep that basically summarizes all of gt lol
I actually really love the idea of the dragon balls shattering from excessive use to give rise to Cataclysm Dragons who are based on previous wishes. That should have been ALL of GT.
I feel like there is incredible potential there to be explored had they planned out and executed it properly. What a shame.
Totally agree. Although I think the baby saga could’ve stayed if implemented a little better.
I think it's pretty interesting conceptually but I don't really like the explanation of them becoming corrupted with negative energy from the overuse.
Maybe if they'd frequently been used trivially or selfishly over the course of the series, but pretty much every time we see them gathered it's to save lives - literally billions of them ultimately. The only two exceptions I can think of are Krillin removing the bomb from the Androids, which still isn't trivial or selfish, and Oolong's original panty wish (which was to interrupt Pilaf's wish).
@@jamesjohnston5749 Well they're playing God by reviving people that should have stayed dead, it's kind of wrong
@@sikisikiamimis Why should they have stayed dead? It's not like they're reviving people dying of old age or cancer or some shit, everyone they revive is the victim of some psychopathic monster lol building androids to murder people is playing god if anything
Either way "playing god" isn't objectively immoral regardless, you could argue all sorts of medical advancements are playing god but it's not immoral to give somebody antibiotics. Like I said I'm fine with the general concept but the fact that it's the result of being "corrupted" by "negative" energy when none of their wishes are negative is just kind of a weird explanation
@@jamesjohnston5749 I think it could work a lot better nowadays since we know Bulma tends to use them for cosmetic only reasons
imma gone be Honest Dragon Ball GT is still miles better than Boruto
That’s not an achievement
It's alot better than Super as well
Lmao
Honestly Boruto is ass in every aspect how is that possible I don't know
tell me you havent watched Boruto without telling me you havent watched Boruto or atleast that you have no idea whats canon and whats not lmao
The ending of gt is such a tear jerker. And there's a movie staring the new Goku, which is absolutely beautiful.
Not really when in that ending you see yamcha and tien who don't even f****** say anything throughout the entire series
@@mariobadia4553 Well let's face it by Z, they were slowly fading away into irrelevance.
At the time, I was just thankful to see them at all.
@@anthonydeadman still doesn't justify it, dragon ball was just as much about its slice of life stories as it was about fighting.
@@oniwolfin9589 Yeah but you gotta understand at the time (at least when GT came around in the states) only the diehards and those who bothered to give the show a chance when it showed up on Toonami ever cared about Dragon Ball.
Unlike the OG, Z and GT (as well as Super) were all about transformations, high speed fighting, Ki blast, etc.
That stuff is what caught most kids's attention spans at the time.
Doesn't make it right that those from the original show were forgotten outside of like...Bulma and Krillin I guess, but who do you even know actually even cared about Yamcha back then? Not now, BACK THEN.
@@anthonydeadman Me and my group, guess we were just wildly ahead of our time, I even have a friend who created fan comics detailing "what if" Yamcha stories. Don't get me wrong we love Goku and Vegeta out here in the streets, but its like asking someone to enjoy one punch man, but you cut out every side character, right after they are introduced.
I never quite forgave this show for breaking kid-me’s heart and never showing us a female super saiyan. I was so sure Pan would get the chance that I tuned in for every episode. I was a pretty crushed little girl at the end of it.
Who knows, maybe we will get Super saiyan Pan during the next 20 years of Super
I hope Pan never returns, she was awful
@@Egonzal316 shes in super but way less anoying
I remember watching the ending and feeling something like complete satisfaction, growth and hope. The ending of GT makes the whole thing worth it, even pan not being likeable in the beginning makes sense because she's a naïve teenager just like Goku was in his childhood. Always thinking she can enter any situation. Help even if she's far weaker than the enemy infront of her. In many ways she's like a young Goku. But when she's a grandma she's super lovable actually ebing like an older, kinder and wiser Goku haha. you see a lot more of old pans character in the ancestor movie.
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I really wished they hadn't wasted the opportunity to make her the first female Super Saiyan though.
@@Iwillone Thought she was too human to transform
@@PaulSmith-nb6md say what you want about it but technically in heroes I'm pretty sure pan goes super sayian and there are characters who have way less sayian in them then her that transform
@@yummynubs3646 But heroes isnt even remotely canon. While GT is an offical part of the universe.
I LOVED the concept of the shadow dragon balls. Consequences for them "playing god" so many times. It was just executed horribly, with only the final 3 dragons being of any worth.
Nah, the last three Dragons were the most bland
@@pn2294 disagree
Personally I liked the idea of the shadow dragons but think it was just poorly done. Each dragon's personality and powers are basically associated with the wish that brought them into being. The female one having transformation powers matches perfectly with the fact that the person who made the wish was Oolong, a shapeshifter, and the 4 star dragon's wish was the one that gave Demon King Piccolo back his youth, an entirely selfish wish and thus making Nuova the least evil of them all. Meanwhile, arguably one of the biggest wishes, the revival of everyone Frieza and his men killed on Namek, is what created Syn (they were all called Shenron but had their own names too), making him the strongest, and being associated with Frieza, also the most evil.
Two things i hate the most about GT
1. They made trunks super weak, mf almost died by a car accident
2. SSJ4 is supposed to be the strongest but mf got wounded by touching a broken glass
He wasn't just a Mangaka but one who created and inspired worlds beyond our imagination. Rest In Peace Akira Toriyama, hopefully towards another great adventure
I've never watched any of the dragon ball series but the ending hit so hard
Fr I enjoyed the end of gt much more than end of z
The worst scene in the entire show was when they were falling somewhere and somehow forgot they could fly. I don't remember what episode or which arc but that made me upset
It was probably the scene where Goku was using IT, but because of his size and shit his effectiveness with the technique wasn’t great. So they teleported just a bit away and fell
For Goku you could argue that he needed to get used to his body, but the others? Hell no there’s no excuse
They were still surprised that the instant transmission didn't work , so much nitpicking these days it's not like falling or not was a matter of life and death or even anything close to that for them .
@@humanman9920 I enjoyed much of GT and I enjoy Super thoroughly, so I wouldn't say I'm nitpicking. Just my opinion that it's silly to have them fall
21:23 sparing pan is the earliest clue of everything being a ruse. It's like Dr Gero said a machine that it's not willing to fight if useless. So Giru sparing pan tells us that there is something going on. Especially since trunks was pretty easily turned into a slab of Metal By the time space redirect.
One of the hardest hitting lines ever in the franchise was when Goku said "Bulla, your dad would never call me 'Goku.'"
In spite of it's flaws, I have to say I ended up enjoying GT a lot, I think that comes mostly because I started watching different TV channels or due to how hectic things became at home at the time I wasn't able to watch it as it aired, so I only saw the show here and there, but what little I saw I enjoyed.
That being said... The Kid Bu Saga and the entirety of GT (specially the dragons arc) did some unfortunate permanent damage to me: They burned me out on Dragon Ball for good, I did not go back to watch Super, I did not bother looking at the games that came in the following years after GT, it simply had ran its course for me, even if today I still hold Dragon Ball dear to me.
I think one of the things that hurt Dragon Ball the most was their lack of confidence in the new characters, we could have been easily told new awesome stories or watch each new generation follow in Goku's footsteps, but nope... It all kept constantly circling back to Goku, don't get me wrong, I love him, he's a legendary hero for good reason, but this overreliance on him only hurt everyone else by either making them more incompetent or useless by comparison.
Vegeta emphasised on this himself in Super 17 arc when he got pissed off by Dr. Gero's confidence of winning because Goku wasn't there .
I still think they started rushing it towards the end after Baby arc , cuz Super 17 arc's early events felt very rushed and it is also from that arc when every other character was simply left behind till Vegeta got the new form too late . Yes he didn't perform because of getting caught off guard and getting mind controlled but his base form was still stronger than Goku in Baby arc.
Other saiyans had some cool fights and Majuub was way stronger than Goku made Super baby 2 go all out and even came in clutch at the end by reversing his candy beam in Baby's belly . Even the kais were such lifesavers in this arc that they didn't only save Goku from dying once but were the reason he could get ssj4 . Like this arc was fun and good for the most part but the later arcs either just didn't include others a lot of time , or just had them powercrept and felt rushed in general .
Despite how I feel about GT, I have never been able to get through that last episode without crying.
21:54 Trunks Briefs whole family is genius and he was running the company (or a, because capsule corp is so big) in dbgt so honestly him havin some unspoken bond with robots isn’t too too far fetched. And if trunks ever worked on guro then it makes sense
The final episode and A Hero’s Legacy make me happy GT was made. I love both of them so very much.
Agreed
41:55 Vegeta didn't go Super Saiyan because he wanted to conserve his energy and only use his higher level of power when necessary. Something that is much more prominent in Dragon Ball Super. But you would never criticize that now would you?
That simply doesn’t make sense.
@@Noah-lj4jj why?
The sub version of 18 vs 17 really was a strong emotional moment, I grew up with the Toonami English dub but after watching the Japanese sub version, the emotional scenes did have a strong impact compared to the English dub
It's always been like that, Japanese version has way more heartfelt dialogue and more emotions and beautiful music compared to the dub, Z dub made everything sound too edgy.
@@thiccjerry5232 I realize that now, I grew up with English dub and the 2000s generation of DBZ games so it took awhile for me to actually discover the sub version because I never had the DVD’s minus the season 1 dvd that came with the preorder edition of Burst Limit and I just recently got the Funimation app that finally let me watch the full Sub version
@@thiccjerry5232 Hey now let's be a little fair here, the dubbed voice for Android 18 did her best at the time.
The last 10 minutes really reads likes a crazy fan fiction. I started dying when mark addressed how absurd the fight with Shenron was.
The biggest problem with GT, IMO, is while some of the plot beats were interesting, the were very fanfic-y. Here's a second set of Dragon Balls. Here's a weapon created by Tuffles to take revenge on the Saiyans. Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu create another Number 17, who then fuses with the original Number 17 to create a Super Number 17. The only plot properly foreshadowed was the corrupted Dragon Balls, because Old Kaioushin mentioned something like that back in DBZ. However, the execution is pretty lackluster.
RIP Akira Toriyama 🐉
To be honest, i really liked Dragon Ball GT with all of it's wackiness. The goal of bringing the energy of the original Dragon Ball series was very eminent and when I watched it as a kid, it didn't feel so boring or bad. It also served as a great ending for dragon ball series with all of its full circle moments like Uub and Boo merging, and the Dragon Balls and the wishes that made it. I guess you really have to watch it as a kid to appreciate it because when you're an adult with all of your personal opinions, you can't enjoy it as much because you can't avoid to nitpick.
I had a thought about what the dragons' motivation could have been, if they were all made from a specific wish, what if they wanted to take back whatever was wished for?
I thought pans gambit was really cool, if they didnt drill the rude little girl trope she would have so many more fans. It was something fresh to see a female sayain get emotional and they really could've played on it, especially being gohans daughter. I actually liked shenrons escape from the supernova, as wacky as it was. Vegeta was a breath of fresh air in GT, responsible and understood his limitations, a long contrast from what he once was. The ending was pretty perfect. Ssj4 maybe the best looking form of all, also not scaling too hard neither. Everything felt relevant that it wasnt such an enormous step like ui or ego forms. Just right to get ahead and develop.
I had never seen a single episode of GT, but was always curious about it. This was an hour well spent!!
As someone who finished DB and DBZ by manga as they were being released in the 90s, I thought the Buu saga was lame, the whole “fight stronger villain” theme had been so outdone by that point I can 100% understand why the GT authors chose to go the adventure route.
Toriyama retired the series at the right time. Another arc of just fighting a more powerful villain would have been like pumping out godfather part 1, part 2, part 3, and then having to come out with part 4 all in just a few years.
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My sorrow knows no end. My body is torn asunder and thrown to the wolves, broken and meaningless. My life is but a festering corpse fed upon by the evils of this world
I do find the exploration of the dragon ball universe in the form of a space fantasy/space adventure story interesting, specially considering that there's not many anime that fit in that niche, it's a pitty the series doesn't use the strenghts of that kind of story
GT gave us the best super saiyan form to ever exist and thats ssj4 and the god tier op how can you not love it.
R.I.P Kevin Conroy
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This video seems as though it
was written by a man that doesn't /or has ever understood DragonBall, but still somehow has a goku super saiyan blue tattooed on his shoulder.
Edit: I wasn't wrong, saiyan scholar addressed the GT series and this video acurately, he actually understands the series without fault in a far more informative sense than whatever this wants to convince you that it is.
Honestly my favorite part of the super 17 arc was the scene where it looks like vegeta and goku were going to fight after turning super saiyan and goku goes normal saying he's hungry and Vegeta just laughs.
RIP Torimaya san
I never watched GT completely but all the wacky space travel light hearted adventures seem pretty fucking entertaining to me
They aren’t. It gets boring very fast
As mixed as GT was at times, I really liked the epilogue and considered it very emotional and worthy of dragonball. Theres just something about goku leaving with shenron and then seeing the security of the future with goku and vegeta jr and seeing goku in the very end that just really warms my heart and brings me to tears
The most frustrating thing about GT is the wasted potential, because there actually were some genuinely neat ideas in there. The Truffles getting their revenge on the Saiyan race, villains (both canon and non-canon) from the past wanting their revenge too, and there being actual consequence for abusing the Dragon Balls. Such a shame most of it was totally squandered.
I liked almost every about Gt , I hate how it gets so much hate. I’d say their weakness with the shit ton of boring missions and villains would appear, you’d blink and the villains were gone like wth 😂.
22:43 Definitely expected a picture of Android Dr. Gero with that comment lol
damn, the irony
32:40
I know this is super late, but the scene with piccolo sacrificing himself, screaming right before the lava even touched him, will forever crack me up lol XD.
"It would've been a cool premise for a story but perhaps a little too dark for Dragon Ball." Future Trunks saga was dark and that was some of the best material in the series IMO.
The reason Baby turns into an Ozaru without needing a tail is because of the artificially concentrated Bruitz waves fired at him its literally covered by you 5 seconds before that part. The tails function like an antenna under normal circumstances but by concentrating the Bruitz waves enough the body can sorta deal with them as is.
The Earth being a moon substitute actually does make sense. It's a celestial body reflecting the light of the sun back. It makes enough sense that you could accept it works this way without needing to do a deep dive into the specific mechanics.
But didn’t we… wait this is probably a compilation of all of the reviews
what really gets me here is how much potential this series had. it doesnt do a lot of things right. but when it does they are great.
Having Trunks, Pan and Goku go on an adventure? Sounds pretty fun to me in principle.
Enemies being born from previous wishes showing that DBZ overused the dragon balls. Hell yeah. Super interesting concept. Especially considering each dragon personified a specific wish.
Fire dragon being honorable and befriending goku that way? Very cool. Wish they had tied it more into his backstory/wish.
SSJ4? Badass design. Still beloved by the fandom even tho we all agree GT was hot garbage.
Vegeta achieving a new form through the connections he made? As you mentioned - great in principle. But i wish it was still shown as a struggle. Like the method posed some great risk. Like it speeds up something he could achieve on his own if he had enough time, but instead he is offered a shortcut through bulma, but pays an equivalent price/risk.
Im not even entirely averse to the idea of baby. The way it was executed didnt really hit home. But the very basic idea behind this character made sense to me.
Super may be better written and animated. But honestly speaking i care more for the world of GT. Even though the way it was written is utter crap. But it felt like they at least wanted to continue the legacy of DBZ (and the original Dragon Ball!). There is an alternate universe out there where GT is the resurrection F of modern dragon ball.
A failed, awful attempt at reviving DBZ that nonetheless spawned a much improved series with proper time and resources thrown at it.
I always liked GT :(
Man, 4 Star Dragon and Goku as friends becomes even more cool when you notices the 4 star dragon ball was the first one he ever had as a memento from Old Gohan, and the one his son always used over his head when he was a kid.
They already had a connection so them becoming friends was honestly awesome.
I love how we have a villain called general rilldo is supposedtly stormger than buu yet they killed him with three kamekameha's and that these villains are stronger than frieza yet never show up.
I have a soft spot for GT. Love Toriyama’s weird 90s stuff. Dub & Peter, cashman, Gogo Ackman, Dr slump remake etc. Much bolder designs and color combinations compared to his much simpler and thin style he has today.
ngl I like the animation way better from dbz and dbgt compared to super, I mean, look at Vegeta during the cell saga compared to vegeta during the golden frieza arc
@@elijahaaron6949 agreed, but I also love the way the style they used in the broly movie was kinda like a best of both worlds from dbz and dbs animation, and I hope they use that whenever they continue the dbs anime instead of the 3d style they used in super hero (which was fine but I'd still strongly prefer broly's style)
@@elijahaaron6949 Nah tournament of power animation and DBS broly animation is objectivley better than DBZ and DBGT. If you wanna take art style thats a whole different issue tho.
@@logan7805 Dbs broly is better than both, but the tournament of power isn’t better than z in my opinion.
@@theophrastusbombastus827 The tournament of power animation was definitely better than Z, especially in the last 20-30 episodes. You have to understand the difference between artstyle and animation to get my point, because a lot of people don't know the difference.
it's so weird. Every now and then they have some incredibly clever, borderline genius ideas. It's just that they're in between some of the laziest or most confusing choices in any of Dragon Ball.
Phenomenal video! That said, I find myself disagreeing with your take at 27:13. I think his transformation makes his silhouette way more unique and recognizable, whereas before he simply had the silhouette of Vegeta. Would you mind elaborating on what makes his design bad for you? I personally don't think the complexity of his features take away from his imposing presence
I actually like his design waay better then a vegeta recolor
I like to think that Oceanus Shenron was a byproduct of the wishes Bulma has been doing for Dragon Ball Super
I’ve honestly never watched Dragon Ball. The closest I’ve come to watching it was through the abridged series.
When I thought about this series, I always thought what’s the point of all the suspense and deaths of various characters if you could just find the Dragon Balls and reverse it all. Honestly, it’s brilliant to think the series addressed that through GT. Kind of makes me want to watch the series myself.
GT's ideas were honestly pretty great, SSJ4 going back to Oozaru roots, the Dragon Balls having a negative reaction to being overused, Baby's motivation etc. They just really fumbled the execution and working out the details, it felt like a rough draft with a solid foundation but never got polished into a finished project.
I recommend you watch it with the Japanese score don’t watch it with the trash train wreck grand tour soundtrack it mentally damaged me and it’s a real shame anyways recommend you watch it you’ll finish it quickly and enjoy it in many parts but some parts do drag
@@freezasama5802 If you didn't like the English ost, you were already mentally damaged before watching it.
@@recycledwaste8737 The english ost is trash im sorry it legit gave me mental damage while the japanese is infinitely superior and more memorable legit listen and compare to both and which is more memorable Dan Dan or freaking trash grand tour???
@@freezasama5802 Grand Tour is far more iconic. It's basically synonymous with GT. Most of the English speaking world didn't even hear the generic shonen MHA-ass Japanese opening until well into adulthood. Grand Tour's nu metal rap fits the tone of the series far better than the weirdly happy Japanese one.
It's honestly a crime against art that they capitulated to the sub elitist crowd and removed it for the green boxes. Ruining the entire vibe crafted for the original 90s dub.
The surface of the sun is hot enough to melt anything within 10 feet, goku would not survive being close to him, and that's assuming it's the surface and not the core of the sun, which would at least melt a few thousand yards
Remember, Bulma uses the dragon balls every few years to make herself younger and slow down her aging.
Bulma is the ultimate villain of the evil dragon saga.
57:29 it's not a matter of how strong they are it's a matter of Goku having his body forcibly hold him back which even the dragon pointed out how his times 10 Kamehameha wave was not even times five let alone times 10. So it was a very weak blast used by an arbitrary level of power.
I don't remember much of anything about GT other than thinking Giru is cute and some of the villains were awesome, will be interesting to watch this whole review
The earth acting as moon thing makes perfect sense, because they're on a separate planet and earth IS a moon to that planet. The light from the moon even IRL is just reflected sunlight, so it makes sense that the earth could also do the same in this situation.
I teard up at the end of this video tbh it really is one of the best endings ever
I remember the joke back in the day was GT stands for Goku Time
oh my god the end of GT is actually so great and makes me teary eyed. Maybe GT wasnt so good but atleast it tried, and the ending was super good.
Honestly, scenes with SSJ4, the songs from the Japanese version, and the ending really made it enjoyable for me to look back.
The black Star arc was definitely the weakest for me, reminded me of my initial thoughts of the first Dragon Ball arc where I wasn’t that invested and waiting for the other arcs but find it tolerable.
The Baby arc was good with effective tension and the epic scene with SSJ4 Goku and actually invested on how can Goku save everyone.
Super 17 arc was a letdown as I remembered liking it but rewatching it, I only like the cameos of past villains appearing and Goku and 18 sharing a moment for Krillin.
And the Shadow Dragon arc is okay, think I like this arc more for the concept of the consequences of the dragon ball but most of the shadow dragons were mid, however the ending is the saving grace for me as if felt more the true conclusion for Dragon Ball than the actual Dragon Ball ending. GT actually made me feel emotional. 😭
The black star dragon balls have such a steep cost because they come with the benefit of being able to trump all other forms of dragon balls and they don't go inert for a year so if you're strong enough you could feasibly fly up and grab them all before they fire off after a wish and just get another wish.
you also can't use other dragon balls to wish them together because they're stronger than normal dragon balls.
the pacing feels like kingdom hearts to an extent we need to do a thing so the world doesn't end but lets also goof around and help the worlds personal problems then leave repeat sequence untill really good actually important plot happens
Honestly what pisses me off the most is the ending. Goku straight up abandons his family. Not just for a year or so anymore or because the planets in danger. Nearly all of his family is straight up *dead* after he returns and he's just like "Aight bet. I'ma head out *again*." Everyone rifs on Goku for not taking care of his family but for the most part he had legitimate reason for it. It was literally for the sake of the PLANET. But now it's just because Shenron wants to leave.
Always hated that ending. At least in Z he left to go train with Uub but was still able to go visit his family and friends from time to time. I will never understand people who say that ending is so “beautiful” and “satisfying”.
GT could have been great if its focus was on Pan as the protagonist, with Goku and Trunks as supporting chatacters.
Instead, Goku us the main character, Pan is a macguffin, and Trunks is just kind of there.
Dragon ball can work great when its character driven, but GT has one real character (Goku) and a bunch of poorly disguised plot contrivences.
44:03 he also talked about how he was the protector of Earth as well. Vegeta doesn't want it to feel like when Goku is not around he cannot handle problems. Also hyping yourself up is a thing as well too.
If I'm not mistaken the random dimension at 28:00 in the latin american dub was specifically called limbo, that with other things that happen around super 17 and omega shenron's fight are part of an explanation for GT's ending with goku going away with shenron
Not much to say expect that episode 3 and 4 of GT gave me a harrowing experience about the current socioeconomic status of the average person in their 20s that are not able to afford a house to the point that I had to put the show down for 20 minutes to be abke to mentally recoup
I'm cool with Super Baby 2 as various places have taken to calling it but Tufflized Vegeta is definitely the best design of him. It's freaky seeing Vegeta be corrupted in a way that is far worse than having a fancy M tattooed on his forehead.
Dragonball GT is like the Broly movie. It sucks really hard but man that new Super Saiyan form is awesome and the only reason anyone still watches it.
I loved GT.
I'll be honest, I kinda wanna replay the GT saga all over again. I faintly remember watching this as a kid and loving it lol. Especially considering the fact that my most favourite transformation in the entire series is there, SSj4!
So what the Goku vs. Freeza/Cell battle is telling me is that Goku got sent to Turbo Hell before Supernatural made it memeable.
...I'll see myself out.
In all seriousness, while I never saw GT (I tapped out of active interest in DBZ right after Vegeta sacrificed himself in the Buu arc), My friend and I knew it existed and some basic plot elements and would just make up stories that included our OCs based on said elements. It's kind of wild to me that while I never saw GT proper, it has such a soft spot in my heart for all the nostalgia it makes me feel. It was a time where it felt like almost ANYTHING could happen in the Dragon Ball series and the thought of it making it over here to the US gave my friend and I something to look forward to and imagine things about.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Honestly I had the same list of pros and cons. It's nice to have common ground with other viewers!
Buu's "death" hit pretty hard along with Goku going off with Shenron. Also I love how Vegeta catches on that Goku is gonna train/ascend with Shrenron Goku says that Earth is now Vegeta's to protect, you can just tell that Vegeta is touched
Then in "Absalon" he doesn't give a shit about it and will travel the universe looking for stronger opponents lol.
@@mjfilho33Absalon is fully fanmade
@@dibosh7405I know 😊
Ascend/Dying it is.
More like becoming one with Shenron.
Nobody mentions how Dende in the first episode asked Popo for the "First Aid Kit" when he has healing abilities
Because that's a dub-only error.
Lol
Because that is not a thing.
Work smarter not harder
To be fair. Dende's power doesn't INSTANTLY heal you.
As bad as GT was, we all have to admit. It gave us three really good things.
1. Super Saiyan 4.
2. SSJ4 Gogeta.
3. The absolute banger of an opening.
I hope by that you mean Dan Dan Kokoro and not the awful dub rap.
@@TheLouis6555 Pretty sure he means Dan Dan Kokoro, it is a banger and I wish I could find a high quality full version of it.
bro, super saiyan 4 gogeta was terrible.
He was goofy and silly, nothing like the serious gogeta or vegetto we'd had seen before.
@@ProjektTaku Vegetto was dicking around against Buu, for the same reason Gogeta was dicking around against Omega Shenron: To lure them into a trap.
Vegetto needed to be absorbed to save everybody, and Gogeta needed the negative energy filling the atmosphere to be dispersed. In the latter's case he immediately went serious after it happened.
DBGT entire soundtrack is amazing.
The best in the entire series
I love the premise of the dragon arcs. Admitting that the Dragon Balls were over used and giving a consequence to that was a great idea imo. Having Goku befriend the 4 star dragon to reflect the family history with the ball was also a good move. Execution could've been better.
Yeah imagine if the consequences were made more clear, like the dragons affecting the entire universe and forcing all the warriors participate in the fight
1:10:30
There were no consequences though. Just a guy they beat up
Iirc, each evil dragon was based off a "good" wish, while the 4-star dragon (the only "good" one) was based off King Piccolo's "evil" wish. That was a wrinkle I liked that I wished was expanded on
It could be a counterbalance as a result from each wish
For every good wish, an evil dragon exists to even it out
Same for every evil wish
Also, it's fitting since the 4-star ball is the one Goku had a personal connect to as his last reminder of Grandpa Gohan.
The arc really feels like a first draft. Lots of cool ideas that didn't have time to really cook to realize their true potential.
@@amelialonelyfart8848 I would have liked if the dragon from every wish would have tried to undo the wish, just to give them purpose. So like the first weak one would try to kill Bora again. That would also explain why he's relatively weak, when he only resembles the power to kill a relatively harmless guy. Then the one star dragon would get a lot of power to destroy the planet and all it's people again.
@@Jashinthegiantso Oceanus would exist solely to dress Bulma in underwear. That’s a show I’d watch.
Wow, i actually forgot that Mark already reviewed this series and was confused by the structure of this video, only to realise that this is just a compilation.
I thought it was a reupload, at first... It really could benefit from a notice ^^
Same here.
I was confused why he was doing ANOTHER review of GT, and describing it as "the first time (TotallyNotMark) watched it in 15 years.
Took a bit to figure it out
Same
Same
I really hate that Pan never even tried to, you know, learn super saiyan? The form that her entire family and their friends are intimately familiar with and her Grandfather was the first one for a thousand years? They never even address that she couldn't or something, she just seemingly doesn't try to
I know battle of gods didn't exist yet, but that version of Pan technically had her go super Saiyan as a fetus, making the fact that she can't in GT even more weird
I wish Pan was less annoying.
I'm not sure if I'm mis-remembering this, so take it with a grain of salt. But, I recall hearing that the reason Pan never explored Super Saiyan was because, at the same, the design team that worked on DBGT didn't know how to conceptualize a female Super Saiyan, as every heavily-featured Saiyan warrior up to that point had been male. So, they just decided that she'll never go Super Saiyan. And yes, the appearance of Kefla and Kale in Dragonball Super years later makes this an even dumber point.
@@nickcrawford2456We don't even need to go that far, in DB Heroes we have Note, a Female Saiyan who looks nearly identical to Pan and she has all Super Saiyan Transformations
@@nickcrawford2456 The idea that they couldn't figure out how to draw a blonde female saiyan is hilariously dumb.
I like that Nuova Shenron was the 4th dragon ball. It kinda makes sense that he would be the one to befriend Goku as it was the first dragon ball he had ever seen which grandpa Gohan gave to him. It's a nice touch
It spent decades in the company of grandpa Gohan and Goku. It makes sense it would take up their friendly and honorable nature.
Holy shit I had never actually came to that conclusion at all!
That actually makes so much sense.
I remember watching it with my dad as it aired, and both of us were crying and cheering about Goku befriending Nuova for that exact reason. It was incredibly emotionally satisfying and was honestly the most consistent through-line from Dragon Ball to GT.
There are two reasons why the Four Star Dragon is good. The first is what you said: because of the ball's connection to Goku.
But the second is the actual in-universe explanation: the Four Star Dragon was the only one that was created from a selfish wish, so it generated the reverse, good karma, just like the selfless wishes generated negative karma.
Sorry but if this guy thinks gt was bad and boring and is sponsored by genshin impact. That invalidates those opinions outright. All I'm sayin
I wasn't the biggest fan of GT but honestly something about the ending just makes me sad. I never understood how pans side of the family and Bulma side of the family didn't even recognize each other like they fell apart somewhere.
I could understand. Without Goku around Bulma and Chi-Chi weren't ever really portrayed as "Friends" without him around to gather everyone together. Remember Goku is what brought all these people there together. They ALL had direct ties and interaction to GOKU directly. Everyone else was really just there by association.
I can imagine Tien stops coming by at some point, probably to open a Dojo like in Super, Piccolo stayed dead at the end of GT so the Dark Star Dragon Balls wouldn't come back and pose a threat as well, Chiaotzu I can see following Tien like he normally does until he's of age to rule his people (I think I remember him being a Prince in official canon though I can't remember specifically.) Vegeta probably lost his will to train or even stay on earth. Ect. Yeah it's sad but it shows how life happens and even close friends can drift apart with time.
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago true
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago Tien broke away immediately after the Cell games. Trunks and Goten became and remained friends during the 7 years Goku was dead. That couldn't have been a coincidence, Bulma lives hours away from Chichi. Someone must have introduced them. Gohan, most likely. There's always going to be a family member somewhere down the line keeping the two families together. Pan and Trunks went on a... grand tour, together.
Not to mention, there's no one on the planet stronger than these two families. they'd be alienated really easily if they dont have each other.
@@kusakabe3264 Yeah I forget that, and yes true as well, but Goten and trunks' friendship isn't their children's friendship and so on. I've watched generational friendships fall apart. Obviously by the end of GT something happened to the families in those 100 years that made it so they weren't so close anymore considering their great great grandkids or whatever didn't even recognize each other.
@@kusakabe3264 trunks and gotens relationship fell off in gt for the simple reason of they grew up they're still close but not nearly as close as they were when they were kids
I'm still amazed how well they nailed the final episode of GT. To spend 63 episodes fumbling to end with a 10/10 that is so incredibly emotional and respectful of the material blows my mind.
Tends to be what happens when you know how you want something to end but not exactly how to get there
And the whole 63 episodes is still better than the train wreck that was the DBS anime.
@@asuraspath2262 tbf super had its really good moments but a lot of it was bad and worse than people like to admit. And there was no depth to it outside of hype or fan service moments. If you compare the first sixty three episodes of super to gt I think gt is way better which is a shame. The only reason super didn’t get canceled was bc fans were more willing to accept the bullshit story and poor animation bc toriyamas name was attached to it thus making it a canon continuation. If gt had been given more time instead of succumbing to fan rage I think it could’ve ended up telling a better story than it got to. It never really got a chance to get its feet underneath it.
@@asuraspath2262 Nah man, DBS is way too overhated, not great, but damn bruh, y'all say it as if it was the worst piece of entertainment ever like Moro Saga is better than majority of GT.
@@darkpp7920 Goku Black Saga was also better than the majority of GT
I remember watching the final episode of GT, and when I saw "The End" for the first time, I felt a deep sadness inside me. At the time it was truly the end of everything. No more Dragon Ball, no more Goku, no more anything. It was actually one of the first things that made me come to terms with the fact that things ended and that I needed to move on.
well said. which was the whole point of the series really. it was really a love letter to dragon ball because the fans weren't ready to let go
Even just watching this video, I felt the same sadness I did when I was a kid. To me dragon ball ended with GT
...but they wouldn't let it end. They couldn't! Not when there was so much more *money* to be made!
and you gobbled it up @@TayTayMakesBeats
And then Super came along
Goku defeated, looking at the sky and seeing the Earth as a substitute for the Moon is, together with the ending, the most touching message within GT. It serves its purpose poetically as a saiyan who has come to cherish and love the planet that housed his life and his role as a defender of Earth.
How does that work because that sounds really contrived
It’s kinda cheap but nowhere near as chap as a baby having superpowers and flying up to suborbital height 🤦♂️
@@debater452
I mean, if we take Blutz Waves as being the reflected light from the sun coming off the moon, that's something all planets can technically do.
Hell, a planet the size of Earth would reflect a lot more light than the Moon would, so Goku going Super Donkey Kong when looking at the Earth kind of makes sense.
@@yocapo32Super Donkey Kong 🤣
@@yocapo32Super Saiyan Konkey Dong
This series embodies the words, "Good ideas, bad execution"
now apply that to super
@@KeepRockingTheDragon Super is decent to good ideas, decent execution.
Honestly I think DBGT is "Bad ideas, horrible execution". The only good ideas GT had was Super saiyan 4 and the shadow dragons. Everything else was a bad idea. Super 17, the entire blackstar dragon ball arc, all the forgettable mini villains were all bad ideas.
@@botandtrollhunter6694 And Baby but, yeah that's it. A villain made by the Tuffles that got wiped out on Planet Vegeta and making a plotline out of that short flashback is great
GOOD IDEAS? I can't see it.
Baby Saga was honestly the best in GT. Gave Tuffles some form of relevancy and makes Baby a semi sympathetic character. Not enough to where you want him to win but enough to make his actions and motivations believable
Yeah, people might complain it takes a filler concept and adds more to it, but technically that filler was canon to the anime and it kinda takes the Saiyans to task for their warmongering.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69considering GT doesn't have a manga it is fantastic as an anime sequel to Z. The tuffle Saiyan story from the anime, the use of the divine water from the Garlic Jr saga, the anime depiction of hell, it's all great expansion of in house concepts with a genuine love for Toriyamas work
@@richborn6700 Tuffles are also canon to Super, a lot of the anime filler was based on ideas Toriyama hadn't yet put into the manga
I just wish it was Gohan and that Vegeta had moments as a hero next to Goku. I know that the mind control isn't the same as Babadi but thunk of how much potential BabyGohan would have
Honestly I really wished Super 17 was handled a lot more carefully, with the idea that og 17 was still a good guy just mind controlled, and the gang needing to find a way to release 17 from Gero's grasp would have been really cool. They could have also kept the Super 17 thing, with og 17 absorbing clone 17, but the gang still being able to save 17 in the end.
Exactly. I want to see Super redo the GT ideas like Baby, Super 17, and the Shadow Dragons. Super 17 would hit so much harder now that they've reintroduced 17 as a ranger. I hate how GT killed him off. Maybe they could finally show his family to help him snap out of the mind control!!
The entire premise of the super 17 arc was horrible from the start. They reintroduce Super 17 just to regress his character, turn him into a bad guy again, and then kill him off. Out of all the ideas in GT, I really hope this is the one that they never bring to the canon storyline. It would be nice if they made the shadow dragons canon instead.
I think there's a lot of potential in that. There's a good angle that could have been done with a 17 that got brought back but completely remembers what he did to his sister and her family.
17 deals with the fact he was a tool for gero and the fall and his guilt, 18 knows he was and wants to forgive him like Krillin would but the trauma of losing Krillin in such a horrible way leaves her resentful and somewhat fearful. She even treats Krillin and marron differently because of the way he died.
How can you handle an idea like that carefully? The idea itself is so stupid that they might as well have got a 12 year old to come up with a arc
Dude they can just rely on the dragon balls and 17 was too far gone to be able to not be controlled. He was way too powerful as well. It goes to show the pure strength and might of the Geniuses of the Red Ribbon Army and the Machine mutant army. Humans and Tuffles.
Even in GT we see Vegeta grow as a character. Vegeta suggesting fusion to Goku legit got me hyped as a kid because that meant setting aside his pride for the sake of the planet he had grown to love. Too bad that moment was preceded by some questionable arcs, like the nonce arc.
that growth was throughout z and gt vegeta is the product of that growth from z
@@No-OneSpecial000 you basically just said what he said
I stated to yell my ass of cuz the Nonce was Checking Pan's flat chest and blushing
Bruh the girl is 10 tf are you doing????
Also too bad that Super has basically discarded all this growth of his and is ONLY NOW, NEARLY TEN YEARS INTO ITS RUN starting to show that Vegeta can actually grow and change.
@@kris6038 Bro Vegeta has grown as a character in super more than any other