I think this too. Though I’m not as familiar with the Same as I wished. I think a lot about relatability vs. othering and its effects. Because everyone becomes the “other” at some point, some far more often, and sometimes parts of one’s being are othered (like in mental illnesses). I feel as if a large part of myself has to do with my entire (seemingly) being as the “other” in a very general sense. Though I don’t speak of othering as inherently/entirely bad. People view too normal and ordinary things as uninteresting, for instance. I think it can further the development of things (I’m not sure how to word this). At the same time, relatability may be needed, and it at least is sought out (like outcasted groups creating communities based on this, for relating).
those are some good thoughts. Yea, I just recently encountered this concept of "Same" when reading Deleuze. hmmm, I wonder why people "other" each other. Maybe its political, idk, that'd be an interesting thing to investigate (or maybe someone out there has a book on it. Cygnusvideo commented about this book "Expulsion of the Other" by Byung Chul-Han. Maybe that'd be a direction to look into. or maybe Girard's research into the "scapegoat mechanism") yea, definitely an interesting topic. thanks for sharing that
I am sorry to hear that you have experienced a prohibitive amount of negativity on youtube. I resonate with your theory of sameness. I have just started working in the mental health space and have been thinking a lot about what I as a person can do to be with someone who has been universally determined as "other" by the rest of civilisation. I am wondering whether even the lack of sameness can be the seed for shared sameness. I am wondering if there is something important about relationships in sharing an honest otherness. I am glad you are sharing your perspective, I think it is vibrant to do that. Whatever you do next I hope you find connection there. :)
Hey thanks. as to whether a lack of sameness can be the seed for some shared sameness, I think yes it can. Only, if the lack of sameness is so profound, that may be impossible, in my opinion. Also, a society would have to be organized for such people to meet and interact, but now it feels like the types of interactions people are able to have are usually mediated by technology, which could make it hard for those who find that not to be their style. But I think there's always possibility as long as there's us humans 🙂👍
Misfits. Outsiders. The price of being an individual I think, instead of another bit in the amorphous blob that is the mass. There's a trade off to everything in life.
i understand that aspect. Sometimes there's a dark aspect, as RD Laing talks about, where isolation can lead into a psychosis. I've actually been dealing with some of that lately, its definitely not fun (i went to self-admit myself into a hospital, meanwhile thinking a certain person who sat next to me in the waiting room (with a tattoo that said "numb" under his eye, humming a song about death) was sent there to kill me, by undercover checking himself into the same hospital. one of the worst experiences I've had in my life actually).
@@Ryans_Science Could perhaps have something to do with processing trauma too. Can be hard to differentiate sometimes between psychosis and acute symptoms from CPTSD.
@@Ryans_Science so the sense of operating under a shared reality breaks down because your participation alters it so much that you cant even see where the communication breaks down among two participants?
@@nicbarth3838 sounds about right, i think (given the eye contact example, since eye contact seems to be one of the first levels of sharing some sameness imo)
@@Ryans_Science I cannot imagine how someone would cope with that kind of alienation not just from others but of knowing reality from the overlap you inhabit perceptually. Your perceptions become a point of alienation as they cannot be affirmed by others and produce an episodic cognitive dissonance between what is perceived and knowing it to be unreal.
I think this too. Though I’m not as familiar with the Same as I wished.
I think a lot about relatability vs. othering and its effects. Because everyone becomes the “other” at some point, some far more often, and sometimes parts of one’s being are othered (like in mental illnesses). I feel as if a large part of myself has to do with my entire (seemingly) being as the “other” in a very general sense.
Though I don’t speak of othering as inherently/entirely bad. People view too normal and ordinary things as uninteresting, for instance. I think it can further the development of things (I’m not sure how to word this). At the same time, relatability may be needed, and it at least is sought out (like outcasted groups creating communities based on this, for relating).
those are some good thoughts. Yea, I just recently encountered this concept of "Same" when reading Deleuze. hmmm, I wonder why people "other" each other. Maybe its political, idk, that'd be an interesting thing to investigate (or maybe someone out there has a book on it. Cygnusvideo commented about this book "Expulsion of the Other" by Byung Chul-Han. Maybe that'd be a direction to look into. or maybe Girard's research into the "scapegoat mechanism")
yea, definitely an interesting topic. thanks for sharing that
I am sorry to hear that you have experienced a prohibitive amount of negativity on youtube. I resonate with your theory of sameness. I have just started working in the mental health space and have been thinking a lot about what I as a person can do to be with someone who has been universally determined as "other" by the rest of civilisation. I am wondering whether even the lack of sameness can be the seed for shared sameness. I am wondering if there is something important about relationships in sharing an honest otherness. I am glad you are sharing your perspective, I think it is vibrant to do that. Whatever you do next I hope you find connection there. :)
Hey thanks.
as to whether a lack of sameness can be the seed for some shared sameness, I think yes it can. Only, if the lack of sameness is so profound, that may be impossible, in my opinion. Also, a society would have to be organized for such people to meet and interact, but now it feels like the types of interactions people are able to have are usually mediated by technology, which could make it hard for those who find that not to be their style. But I think there's always possibility as long as there's us humans 🙂👍
Misfits. Outsiders. The price of being an individual I think, instead of another bit in the amorphous blob that is the mass. There's a trade off to everything in life.
i understand that aspect. Sometimes there's a dark aspect, as RD Laing talks about, where isolation can lead into a psychosis. I've actually been dealing with some of that lately, its definitely not fun (i went to self-admit myself into a hospital, meanwhile thinking a certain person who sat next to me in the waiting room (with a tattoo that said "numb" under his eye, humming a song about death) was sent there to kill me, by undercover checking himself into the same hospital. one of the worst experiences I've had in my life actually).
@@Ryans_Science Could perhaps have something to do with processing trauma too. Can be hard to differentiate sometimes between psychosis and acute symptoms from CPTSD.
@@gelidsoul i see. i'll have to research that. thanks
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thanks for all the good conversations and making this channel more interesting. 🙂👍
schizo is cool
it can also be isolating and scary. but i appreciate that idea
@@Ryans_Science so the sense of operating under a shared reality breaks down because your participation alters it so much that you cant even see where the communication breaks down among two participants?
@@nicbarth3838 sounds about right, i think (given the eye contact example, since eye contact seems to be one of the first levels of sharing some sameness imo)
@@Ryans_Science I cannot imagine how someone would cope with that kind of alienation not just from others but of knowing reality from the overlap you inhabit perceptually. Your perceptions become a point of alienation as they cannot be affirmed by others and produce an episodic cognitive dissonance between what is perceived and knowing it to be unreal.
@@nicbarth3838 yea its been pretty rough. appreciate the words of understanding.