the point of analyzing music is so I can make Happy Birthday in the style of *insert composer I've analyzed* :D Good, informative video as always, Nahre.
Balance is the key! You digest your analysis well. Indigestion destroys music in most of us. Most do not have your eclectic background that helps you enjoy creating,making and performing music as well as having a real knack of explaining, sharing so much serious music stuff in the lightest touch possible! Brilliant! You are a messenger (angel in Greek) from that realm of classically structured musical delights ! Thank you
When I first heard Rachmaninoffs third piano concerto, it was such an intensely emotional experience. Each time I heard it after that, it seemed so much harder to get that reaction again. Through analyzing the music, and listening to it again and again, I can start to understand why I felt that reaction in the first place, and I can appreciate the music differently. Essentially it helps me digest the emotions behind first hearing a piece.
I think the charm and overwhelmingness of music is unexplicable. You can explain how the music is made, but that does not explain the amazingness of it.
Rach 3 and Beethoven 9th are the very first orchestral music I've listened in its entirety during my early teens. Together they removed my bias against any kind of music. These days I can listen to Bach sonatas on one day and blasting electronic music the next. The thing is once you understand the underlying structure of any music piece you'd be more accepting to various forms and genres out there.
4:31 you just touch my soul at this section, which made me give a long quote from richard feynman to reply your quote: "I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe, although I might not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is, I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts."
Ozan Kerem Devamlı Your sharing of this quote from Richard Feynman is so beautiful it nearly brought me to tears. He’s completely right that every person can find something different to appreciate about something like a flower, based on their personal experiences and perspectives.
Thanks for the quote. Really interesting comments. It's fascinating what you say about beauty existing across different scales of dimension. Doing a Google image search for 'golden ratio in nature' brings up lots of images of that multi-dimensional beauty you're ,about. It's amazing. And I've always found the relationship between plants and insects incredible too. Science definitely does reveal ever more wonder and majesty.
I've been wanting to express this kind of explanation to my friends on how I view things . Even a tiniest thing in this world but I can't arrange sentences for it but you made it . I appreciate your comment more than you know . Thank you , dude .
It's like a tear in the hands of a Western man , he'll Tell you about salt, carbon and water But a tear to a Chinese man He'll tell you about sadness and sorrow or the love of a man and A woman. Slick/Kantner/Yu
I read many years ago in an essay of literary critic something like that: "a real love when understood only magnifies itself". I'm young teacher and researcher of literature. The more I learn about the books that I love, the more I love them. I think the same can be applied to music. (sorry for the so-so english, my native language is portuguese) Greetings from Brazil!
An elderly, but energetic Chemistry professor told us: "The more you know about something, the easier it is to remember it". I've also learned, over many years, that one should decide how one learns best. Frame your analysis around your particular way of learning. Another impression from this same professor was his energy in learning at an advanced age. I appreciate the value of that now that I'm at an advanced age. Infantile in wonder, energetic in childhood, passionate in adolescence, mature in adulthood and wise in age seems to be a nice combination for learning! Thanks for the great lesson!
I like analyzing pieces if I hear a certain "color" or "feel" that I'd like to understand where it's coming from. A nice chord voicing or progression or what not, and I analyze a piece to get it within my own purse of things to use when composing.
Some music is only fun after analysing. I can enjoy piano music and play it myself without ever considering the details, but hand me a symphony and I just can't enjoy it without getting the score and reading everything I can find online. Analysis is like being a detective. It's time consuming and difficult but it's so worth it in the end and only makes you enjoy listening more afterwards. At least for me anyway
See but I think a symphony is just as fun for analyzing. If not more so because there’s more there. I think it’s just a case of what your more comfortable with
Explaining a joke kills it because the purpose of a joke is to make you laugh on reaction. But analyzing music enriches it because the purpose of good music is to stimulate your intellectual and emotional capacities over a long period of time. People who don’t appreciate music analysis are either not listening to complex pieces of music or they are missing the intellectual delights of the arts in general.
So far great, I hope I can respectfully correct two things: First, the length of time (of the intensity) of the stimulation is not limited or depends on theoretical analyzes. Our ear is trained through years of immersion in music, our taste for it is trained through our inner dispositions. The stimulus comes from a love of sound design and appreciation of the importance of the same. Secondly, musical analysis does not have to be done as on the "dissection table" in order to enjoy devotedly complex musical works attentively and understandingly enough, nor does musical education depend on it. Harmonious & rhythmic possibilities and how they relate to each other can open up to and "fully" thrill (...) the attentive, passionate, experienced listener with a deeper talent for music as well as to the music professor. The mysticism of masterly music is neither disenchanted by the latter, nor does it ever close itself in all its communicability when it skilfully sounds and is perceived as described. That mysticism is preserved when a substantial musical tension is so "original" intertwined that every note is most conducive to the overall construction. The last aspect can never be satisfactorily explained or broken down by any profound analysis, because ultimately it is the individual taste as well as the mental and emotional orientation that decides. Although for the human ear there are natural rules of tonal aesthetics and fulfilling interweaving of tones which for us are originally characterized by harmony and less disharmony. Idyllic greetings to everyone
C. C. Thank you for the reply but I disagree in some ways. I agree with you that theoretical analysis is not necessary to find enjoyment in music. However, without theoretical analysis, you will be missing out on a lot of what makes great music what it is. You can still enjoy the sound and musical tension of a piece on an experiential level, but for the more complex and intellectual works out there, this will be difficult if not impossible without prior knowledge; at any rate, you won’t be able to enjoy the music to its fullest extent, as intended by the composer and as interpreted by the musicians (who all spend years studying music theory and analysis, in order to develop their unique musical voice). For example, it would be extremely difficult for a person without understanding of sonata-allegro form or the movement structure of a symphony to listen intelligently, diligently, and with sustained emotional attention to a Mozart or Beethoven symphony, much less a 90 minute-long Mahler symphony. The “musical tension” you speak of is still there, but it would be almost impossible for a listener to appreciate it, even notice it, without the understanding provided by the “dissection table.” Let’s take the example of Wagner’s famous opera Tristan and Isolde. Now, without a theoretical knowledge of music harmony, you would still feel the dissonance and longing brought about by the Tristan Chord at the beginning of the opera, and you would still feel the relief and finality of the chord’s resolution at the end, almost 4 hours later. However, without an understanding of its music harmony, the effect here would not be nearly as profound. Our intellectual/theoretical understanding here, that the chord needs to eventually be resolved, is what drives us throughout the entire 4-hour opera as an attentive audience. We are searching, waiting, and hoping for 4 whole hours for the final B major chord that will resolve all the built-up tension. We hang onto each new modulation and key change but Wagner continuously deceives and surprises us with newly unresolved tensions. A casual listener to Tristan und Isolde could still enjoy it; I’m not disputing that. But it would be almost impossible for them to understand the full musical rigor, the richness, and the tightly-crafted musical journey of 4 hours of continuous sound, without having the background knowledge provided by analysis. And this isn’t even getting into fugues or other more complex forms of composition. The bottom line is that great pieces of music are like great works of literature. Analyzing and dissecting them are necessary to fully appreciate and enjoy them in the way that the creator intended after years of hard work and creative labor. For example, how are you going to be able to fully enjoy the great works of western literature (such as those of Homer, the Bible, Shakespeare, Milton, Goethe, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Kafka, Proust, Joyce, etc...) without analyzing the themes, characters, symbolism, imagery, etc? If you read just for the immediate enjoyment of the plot or the direct sensation of the words themselves, you will be missing the points of these books entirely.
@@michaelwu7678 It's in the nature that a person wants to get to the bottom of things that he/she is seriously interested in. This results in a certain analytical procedure automatically. However, it would be demonstrably presumptuous to believe that only a "dissection table analysis" will enable interested parties to grasp all details. Theory is a key production tool with which we then open doors for greater musical enjoyment and understanding. Ultimately, this is done very individually and not based on a "mathematical-analytical" approach, so to speak. That was obviously the key point of my previous statement and probably also what was expressed here in the video. Respectful greetings
Analyzing music is also helpful to those of us who learn songs in non-classical genres by ear. If you can hear the melody, determine the key the meter and the tempo, figure out the chord changes, and differentiate the verses, the chorus, the bridge, the hook, the intro and the tag, you can use that understanding of the building blocks as a departure point for your own way of presenting the song. Like Nahre said, not everybody will be drawn to all the tools available, and some don't use any, but I find analysis comes in pretty handy when figuring out a song, and the language of analysis makes a nice verbal shorthand when discussing how to interpret a song with co-collaborators.
The "verbal shorthand" is very useful in a band setting if everyone knows the lingo. That's what I love about music theory. It gives you a way to communicate "complex" musical ideas without having to use unspecific wishy-washy language that most untrained musicians use. After actually learning music theory and the terms, I almost cringe whenever I hear someone say stuff like "give it more oomph" or "it needs more soul." Like dude, you don't know WTF you're talking about, do you?
I wish I could start music classes in high school but I’m going into my senior year and I just started playing instruments and reading music because I couldn’t before :,)
It's so cool to hear you talk about the ways that you might describe a section of music ("quiet with a sense of prayer"). This is very similar to how actors are trained to perform: actors are taught that they need to break down their text into individual "units of thought" and that with each thought you are attempting to accomplish a goal using some tactic (for example, a tactic might be "to beg forgiveness," or "to seduce my scene partner"). The specificity behind the intention of what we're playing allows a performer to create a carefully orchestrated but also an "authentic" or "inspired" performance. Breaking it down in an intentional way like this empowers a performer to come into a performance with a plan of how they are going to capture the emotionality of what they're doing WITHOUT relying on "I'll just play it like I feel it in the moment" ... which has the dangerous pitfall where if you're not feeling it, you're not playing anything. There are so many parallels between music performance and acting performance - it would be great to see musicians and actors train together (outside of just musical theatre), I'm sure there's a lot that we can learn from each other. I know I've learn a lot about theatre performance from watching your videos.
"You shouldn't overthink about overthinking." Love it! Even though I'm a *very* amateur musician, I learn so much from your approach and delivery. Thanks...
Understanding music, its form, its harmonic progression, its historical context, or even the composer's state of mind and his reasons for writing it in the first place; all this is like reading a book : reading letters and words to understand a sentence is great but understanding the whole story and its purpose, that's the real beauty. Same goes for music, painting, well, arts in general... Life! 😊🎶🎨🙏
My piano teacher says exactly the same. She makes me analyze the work in order to understand the structure and harmony. It helps me a lot also, as you said, with memorization.... and the frog doesn't die! In fact, the frog becomes much more beautiful!
analysing a piece to help play it is something I've been trying to teach my peers for a long time. also when you mentioned about how you compose I was so happy. I compose in the exact same way (nice to know I'm not alone in that aspect XD) great video, your videos always teach so much to so many people.
I can't properly analyse a music, but I feel amazed on so many things of an analysis of a music makes me learn and appreciate even more than just listening (I know, sounds weird when putting this way, but for someone who has no background on music it feels like an another world I really want to enter)
I always find it interesting to find out the environment/context in which the piece was born. Artists translate their experiences into music, those experiences are informed by the time and place that the piece is created. That context can give a different outlook on the piece. I also like how you mention texture. Translating music into a physical tactile representation, I have never really thought of that. Also, many times i float to the narrative approach. I also find myself unraveling a conversation within the music.
About ten years ago I used to have this thing, where I was often disappointed how simple some of my favorite songs in rock, metal or even prog were if I learned them. It probably was because I learned to play with classical piano lessons but now play mostly the aforementioned genres. This actually made me afraid to look deeper into stuff I liked and also set back my transcribing skills. I got over it by joining a cover band (and probably maturing a bit) and that in turn has made me at least a lot more confident about my own composing and arranging in bands.
You are driving in a city you don't know or a part of the city you don't know. Your focus and attention is on not getting lost, following signs and so forth. Then, when you are familiar enough, your attention shift to what makes each street different, you notice details, a shop you did not see before, a tree, a particular sign. So, I don't think is like dissecting a frog, it does not die but comes alive through a deeper sense of 'ownership' and easiness where you can shift your focus to the details that can give life to the piece.
@@NahreSol You're welcome Nahre. I'm a new subscriber to this channel, and also to Sound Field, and I'm glad I found you. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you continue to have success, but also that you find a way to lead a balanced life amidst all the YT craziness. 🤞
Understanding music as a narrative is definitely a new approach that really opened my interpretation of music! Thank you Nahre Sol, I love your videos and you’ve already inspired me to begin exploring different genres! Happy Valentine’s day 💝
walking in the snowed over footprints of earlier minds, perhaps trying to imitate or just taking the lead as a way to then end up inevitably creating something personal either way that metaphor just got me out of nowhere probably intentional editing there oh my that's a beautiful image i can hear a 'hint' of chopin in your composition but it definitely seems to be you
I have heard the E.B. White quote before, but the way I'd heard it was "few ppl are interested-- and the frog dies in the process." ("analyzing a joke is like dissecting a frog~") But, Nahre, I am with you, I AM one of the few ppl interested, and that is largely bc i also compose, so for me analysis is a native tongue. Thank you for sharing. I hit the bell and turned on all notifications.
Great as always, I am also classical musician but I tend to focus on teaching and helping others You were my inspiration to make youtube chanell, thanks a lot Nahre, love you
One teacher told me to start with the left hand, with a focus on the harmony. He thought, and I believe correctly, that if you dive into the piece with both hands you won’t get around to analyzing the harmony or be that conscious of how the left hand both serves and drives the piece. You can’t identify the role the left hand has in the piece unless you give it your undivided attention.
The quality of your videos id incredible Nahre! Thank you for all the effort in helping us better understand different aspects, particularly the analytical ones
Love the piece in the background, Nahre. Beautifully compliments your video and personality. I would like to add the dissecting a piece is like peeling an onion. Each layer reveals something new about the piece and engages my senses uniquely. Without deeper analysis of art, we would simply become passive consumers of it. I can't find any joy in that.
Nice way of thinking, analyzing music is one more approach to the mind of the composer, it helps. You make it even more alive understanding it better. Thx for the video!
Going to many dance class showcases. The most adept choreographers will do that. A story arc will develop, and then questions of, how do these dancers interact and influence each other throughout the piece... Idk if they realize it but I notice that
Many years ago i did a music degree and we analysed lots of different kinds of music from the Western canon and also some African and Asian musics. My experience, as I remember, was like a veil had been lifted from my eyes (ears?) and I was able to appreciate so much more deeply the works - be they Mozart symphonies, Beethoven sonatas, or pieces by Debussy, Bartok, Webern, Stockhausen or Babbitt. But recently I've come to think that music was presented to me as a kind of puzzle to be solved. A friend without any musical training at all questioned whether I was losing the ability to respond emotionally to music directly. But I wondered what in fact she thought she was listening to if she didn't know what was "going on" in a piece, not even to the point of understanding the most basic forms. I've asked a few old mate from uni days about this, all in their 60s or older now, but didn't get a nice neat response I could type up here. None of them thought analysis was a waste or a distraction though. Needs further reflection and discussion!
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“ To delay practicing!“ Ha ha Ha ha ha… That killed me. But seriously, I love this video. It gets harder and harder to find time to analyze music as you get older. It gets harder to find space for it. But I think it’s important. And I love conversations about it
I never wanted to analyze music because I loved the magic and mystery of how powerfully music could move my emotions....Now, I need to learn how to analyze because I want to compose. 😊 I want to learn how to express clearly what is in my heart. Similarly, I want to be a comedian! What makes a joke funny? Crafting a joke takes study and analysis too. It's like any creative process: writing, art, acting, crafting, engineering, architecture, etc.... We ask "What do I want to say? How? How have others done it? How will I?" I'm glad I enjoyed being swept away by the mystery for a while, but now I want to make my own magic! Thank you for your thoughts and inspiration. I hope I meet you someday at a composer's award ceremony! 😍
Thank you for sharing. Your videos are lovely in the personal way you articulate your thoughts and in your style of recording/editing. You would be an inspiring teacher, I hope you are doing that professionally or you will in the future. It would benefit and inspire your students.
It's great to have found you on the internet, your videos always offer an interesting perspective. From the material I've seen online, I think what you do is among the best out there on the web. Plus, you're adorable (at least from what I can see in the video haha), your way of analyzing things is very balanced, respectful of all points of view, and always very sharp. I never thought I would be interested in joining someone's Patreon, but I think this is the first time. I don't speak much English but nowadays everything can be translated quickly. Greetings from Chile and my sincerest congratulations for the valuable content you share.
If I like a piece of music, no matter what it is, often it is the structure that fascinates me, the construction in musical form, which I suppose I might obsess about because I want to understand how the narrative gets from the start to the end. Just to add, why I really feel you are a wonderful educator, because you show strategies that are able to be applied to our own music, and even adapted - perhaps the one catalyst I can come back to time and again and learn something new.
You’re an inspiration to musicians like me, Nahre. I hope you always find delight in music and continue being so generous in sharing that delight with us.
Thankyou Nahre Sol, I'm loving your channel, I have always been astonished astounded how a musician is able to remember a piece of music . Must take a lot of time to be able to be familiar with music ...wonderful
Something about your voice is so calming. Couple this with your amazing skill and great wealth of knowledge (most of which goes over my head) makes channel one of the great treasure troves of youtube. Stay amazing!
I can't explain why, but your videos grab my attention so much. Much more than any bling bling video with a lot of drive in picture or tone, and cgi in all colours. You name it. They ground me, let me follow along, listen to you, listen to your playing, and take part in your experimental journey. Minimalistic, yet therefore even more profundly inspiring, in an attention seeking www. Thank you, Alex
Thank you so much for noticing the answer that I gave! Although it was just my random opinion without thinking that it was actually related to classical music haha :D thank you for all the videos that you've created as well, I've learned a lot from you! You're truly an inspiration to me and to many others.❤ All love from Sarawak, Malaysia.
Thank You for sharing this. Analyzing music is mind expanding and therefore LIFE EXPANDING, and I agree, the more detailed ones analysis the better ones memory.
Along with the idea of "a narrative outlook" honestly I dance with it.. because I find myself over understanding and saying to myself "i know i know" in transitions - but when I step back and dance with it I can find a way to feel it and feel with it - then with knowledge of the feel of it I find it so much easier to communicate the song in a fashion that serves the song and listener with the value and respect each deserve. I am astonished by your wisdom and overwhelmingly inspired.
We analyze music as we hear them; there is no avoiding it. The music is coming to us as a single sound wave albeit a complicated one. We automatically analyze it and figure out the instruments that are making these sounds, the musical phrases, the mood, tempo etc. Musicians just take this to another level.
thank you for the piece on memorization round 5:50. very honest and so very helpful. I don't know much about music theory but the explanation helps all walks of life. yours sincerely Puppeto The Kept
Dear Nahre, after seeing this video I like life more. I’m an amateur, so I’ll never be in “your” world at all, yet receiving these contents is like looking at a breathtaking view from an airplane. Still epic. Thanks 😃
I totally,over the moon LOVE analysis of music. I come from the angle of composing,and have a big score collection, mostly string quartets and orchestral. What's really great, although time consuming,is to play each part into a workstation,but just mapping out harmony and form offers an abundance of insights. It gives me the opportunity to savor a favorite passage like a fine wine and to ponder the decisions of great musical minds. What's wonderful about music is that you get to see how the magic trick is done,but rather than ruin it,your appreciation is deepened.
You are one of the only people I would consider doing the Patreon thing for. I thoroughly enjoyed the video, and I'm really grateful for everything you do!
The punctuations and zipping through the sonata sections gave me a satisfying smile inside. It pokes fun at music theory classes that can be taught in a rote and dry manner. I mean, how else are young people going to understand music written for 19th century dances and royal courtrooms?
NAHRE SOL, I'm ALSO "analytical oriented"... music wise... it's SO GOOD to know that there's MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE like me !!! Thanks Nahre !!! WELL DONE !!!
So many different levels of beauty in this video, I felt as if I was living beside Nahre. Educating, meditative, accessible, calming, the list of adjectives is practically endless. Earned a subscribe from me!
I only came across this in my later years (past age 40), but it suddenly made so much sense. I believe it is Arthur Rubenstein who said effectively, "The goal is to play the music behind the page." I took that to mean that notation is limited in what the composer can convey about the exact meaning and interpretation. One must endeavor to see beyond that.
As an amateur and debuting pianist, the teaching of this video is that I have so much, but so much to learn and study! It's a bit intimidating, but exciting at the same time.
Great video...love your talk about description...I happen to think about that lately for memorization...Your extremely smart and talented...! Thank you ! ( And nice piece you wrote that played in the background !)
I love how calming these videos are. It’s like Bob Ross but for music.
Yep, especially after Nahre went outdoors.
"Lets add a tree over here because everyone needs a friend." Rip BOB!
let's add an arpeggio here because the lonely chord needs a friend!
I agree. For me, a big part of that is because I find her voice soothing...
You're absolutely right 😊😊😊
the point of analyzing music is so I can make Happy Birthday in the style of *insert composer I've analyzed* :D
Good, informative video as always, Nahre.
😂 haha Yes!
It's in 3/4 time. I tried to revise it in 4/4. Great exercise in creative redesign/reinterpretation.
Great Comment! Go For It!!!
Balance is the key! You digest your analysis well. Indigestion destroys music in most of us. Most do not have your eclectic background that helps you enjoy creating,making and performing music as well as having a real knack of explaining, sharing so much serious music stuff in the lightest touch possible! Brilliant! You are a messenger (angel in Greek) from that realm of classically structured musical delights ! Thank you
Happy Birthday "Yoko Shimomura" stlye 🤔
When I first heard Rachmaninoffs third piano concerto, it was such an intensely emotional experience. Each time I heard it after that, it seemed so much harder to get that reaction again. Through analyzing the music, and listening to it again and again, I can start to understand why I felt that reaction in the first place, and I can appreciate the music differently. Essentially it helps me digest the emotions behind first hearing a piece.
Rachmaninoffs third piano concerto is the only piece ever that (at a certain point) could predictably give me goosebumps, time after time.
@@egilsandnes9637 same, i makes me cry so much after not listening to it just 1 week.
I think the charm and overwhelmingness of music is unexplicable. You can explain how the music is made, but that does not explain the amazingness of it.
@@egilsandnes9637 That last crescendo at the end of the third movement just kills me
Rach 3 and Beethoven 9th are the very first orchestral music I've listened in its entirety during my early teens. Together they removed my bias against any kind of music. These days I can listen to Bach sonatas on one day and blasting electronic music the next. The thing is once you understand the underlying structure of any music piece you'd be more accepting to various forms and genres out there.
Nahre seems like the smart musical older sister everyone needs. I love her voice and calm personalilty
4:31 you just touch my soul at this section, which made me give a long quote from richard feynman to reply your quote:
"I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe, although I might not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is, I can appreciate the beauty of a flower.
At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts."
Ozan Kerem Devamlı Your sharing of this quote from Richard Feynman is so beautiful it nearly brought me to tears. He’s completely right that every person can find something different to appreciate about something like a flower, based on their personal experiences and perspectives.
Thanks for the quote. Really interesting comments. It's fascinating what you say about beauty existing across different scales of dimension. Doing a Google image search for 'golden ratio in nature' brings up lots of images of that multi-dimensional beauty you're ,about. It's amazing. And I've always found the relationship between plants and insects incredible too. Science definitely does reveal ever more wonder and majesty.
Thank you for sharing this! I felt like I needed to read this, this will help me in the long run I have no doubt. Take care :)
I've been wanting to express this kind of explanation to my friends on how I view things . Even a tiniest thing in this world but I can't arrange sentences for it but you made it . I appreciate your comment more than you know . Thank you , dude .
It's like a tear in the hands of a Western man
, he'll
Tell you about salt, carbon and water
But a tear to a Chinese man
He'll tell you about sadness and sorrow or the love of a man and
A woman.
Slick/Kantner/Yu
I read many years ago in an essay of literary critic something like that: "a real love when understood only magnifies itself".
I'm young teacher and researcher of literature. The more I learn about the books that I love, the more I love them. I think the same can be applied to music.
(sorry for the so-so english, my native language is portuguese)
Greetings from Brazil!
An elderly, but energetic Chemistry professor told us: "The more you know about something, the easier it is to remember it". I've also learned, over many years, that one should decide how one learns best. Frame your analysis around your particular way of learning. Another impression from this same professor was his energy in learning at an advanced age. I appreciate the value of that now that I'm at an advanced age. Infantile in wonder, energetic in childhood, passionate in adolescence, mature in adulthood and wise in age seems to be a nice combination for learning! Thanks for the great lesson!
I like analyzing pieces if I hear a certain "color" or "feel" that I'd like to understand where it's coming from. A nice chord voicing or progression or what not, and I analyze a piece to get it within my own purse of things to use when composing.
Thank you for sharing this!!
Some music is only fun after analysing. I can enjoy piano music and play it myself without ever considering the details, but hand me a symphony and I just can't enjoy it without getting the score and reading everything I can find online. Analysis is like being a detective. It's time consuming and difficult but it's so worth it in the end and only makes you enjoy listening more afterwards. At least for me anyway
See but I think a symphony is just as fun for analyzing. If not more so because there’s more there. I think it’s just a case of what your more comfortable with
Brilliant video! 😊🙏
Hi I did not expect you here
Explaining a joke kills it because the purpose of a joke is to make you laugh on reaction.
But analyzing music enriches it because the purpose of good music is to stimulate your intellectual and emotional capacities over a long period of time.
People who don’t appreciate music analysis are either not listening to complex pieces of music or they are missing the intellectual delights of the arts in general.
Yes yes :)))
So far great, I hope I can respectfully correct two things: First, the length of time (of the intensity) of the stimulation is not limited or depends on theoretical analyzes. Our ear is trained through years of immersion in music, our taste for it is trained through our inner dispositions. The stimulus comes from a love of sound design and appreciation of the importance of the same. Secondly, musical analysis does not have to be done as on the "dissection table" in order to enjoy devotedly complex musical works attentively and understandingly enough, nor does musical education depend on it. Harmonious & rhythmic possibilities and how they relate to each other can open up to and "fully" thrill (...) the attentive, passionate, experienced listener with a deeper talent for music as well as to the music professor. The mysticism of masterly music is neither disenchanted by the latter, nor does it ever close itself in all its communicability when it skilfully sounds and is perceived as described. That mysticism is preserved when a substantial musical tension is so "original" intertwined that every note is most conducive to the overall construction. The last aspect can never be satisfactorily explained or broken down by any profound analysis, because ultimately it is the individual taste as well as the mental and emotional orientation that decides. Although for the human ear there are natural rules of tonal aesthetics and fulfilling interweaving of tones which for us are originally characterized by harmony and less disharmony. Idyllic greetings to everyone
C. C. Thank you for the reply but I disagree in some ways. I agree with you that theoretical analysis is not necessary to find enjoyment in music. However, without theoretical analysis, you will be missing out on a lot of what makes great music what it is. You can still enjoy the sound and musical tension of a piece on an experiential level, but for the more complex and intellectual works out there, this will be difficult if not impossible without prior knowledge; at any rate, you won’t be able to enjoy the music to its fullest extent, as intended by the composer and as interpreted by the musicians (who all spend years studying music theory and analysis, in order to develop their unique musical voice). For example, it would be extremely difficult for a person without understanding of sonata-allegro form or the movement structure of a symphony to listen intelligently, diligently, and with sustained emotional attention to a Mozart or Beethoven symphony, much less a 90 minute-long Mahler symphony. The “musical tension” you speak of is still there, but it would be almost impossible for a listener to appreciate it, even notice it, without the understanding provided by the “dissection table.”
Let’s take the example of Wagner’s famous opera Tristan and Isolde. Now, without a theoretical knowledge of music harmony, you would still feel the dissonance and longing brought about by the Tristan Chord at the beginning of the opera, and you would still feel the relief and finality of the chord’s resolution at the end, almost 4 hours later. However, without an understanding of its music harmony, the effect here would not be nearly as profound. Our intellectual/theoretical understanding here, that the chord needs to eventually be resolved, is what drives us throughout the entire 4-hour opera as an attentive audience. We are searching, waiting, and hoping for 4 whole hours for the final B major chord that will resolve all the built-up tension. We hang onto each new modulation and key change but Wagner continuously deceives and surprises us with newly unresolved tensions.
A casual listener to Tristan und Isolde could still enjoy it; I’m not disputing that. But it would be almost impossible for them to understand the full musical rigor, the richness, and the tightly-crafted musical journey of 4 hours of continuous sound, without having the background knowledge provided by analysis.
And this isn’t even getting into fugues or other more complex forms of composition.
The bottom line is that great pieces of music are like great works of literature. Analyzing and dissecting them are necessary to fully appreciate and enjoy them in the way that the creator intended after years of hard work and creative labor. For example, how are you going to be able to fully enjoy the great works of western literature (such as those of Homer, the Bible, Shakespeare, Milton, Goethe, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Kafka, Proust, Joyce, etc...) without analyzing the themes, characters, symbolism, imagery, etc? If you read just for the immediate enjoyment of the plot or the direct sensation of the words themselves, you will be missing the points of these books entirely.
wonderful. like, why bother analyzing great sports games or movies or books? why bother inhaling? you're just gonna exhale anyway, lol
@@michaelwu7678 It's in the nature that a person wants to get to the bottom of things that he/she is seriously interested in. This results in a certain analytical procedure automatically. However, it would be demonstrably presumptuous to believe that only a "dissection table analysis" will enable interested parties to grasp all details. Theory is a key production tool with which we then open doors for greater musical enjoyment and understanding. Ultimately, this is done very individually and not based on a "mathematical-analytical" approach, so to speak. That was obviously the key point of my previous statement and probably also what was expressed here in the video. Respectful greetings
Analyzing music is also helpful to those of us who learn songs in non-classical genres by ear. If you can hear the melody, determine the key the meter and the tempo, figure out the chord changes, and differentiate the verses, the chorus, the bridge, the hook, the intro and the tag, you can use that understanding of the building blocks as a departure point for your own way of presenting the song. Like Nahre said, not everybody will be drawn to all the tools available, and some don't use any, but I find analysis comes in pretty handy when figuring out a song, and the language of analysis makes a nice verbal shorthand when discussing how to interpret a song with co-collaborators.
The "verbal shorthand" is very useful in a band setting if everyone knows the lingo. That's what I love about music theory. It gives you a way to communicate "complex" musical ideas without having to use unspecific wishy-washy language that most untrained musicians use. After actually learning music theory and the terms, I almost cringe whenever I hear someone say stuff like "give it more oomph" or "it needs more soul." Like dude, you don't know WTF you're talking about, do you?
Will send this video to my students, they always wonder why I try to talk about tonalities and structures in music pieces...:)
You're here again to get views for your channel dont you Anna?
I love how sincerely you inform your viewers of the technical part of how you see music. I've never met anyone really so generous with music like this
I’m taking AP music theory in high school for my next semester and I’ll finally be able to understand half of the content you’re talking about :v
Yay for AP music theory! :)
I wish I could start music classes in high school but I’m going into my senior year and I just started playing instruments and reading music because I couldn’t before :,)
I guess I’ll stick to watching Nahre and trying to do research
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Good luck! I started studying theory two years ago and the best thing is that you start to understand musical concepts as a whole.
It's so cool to hear you talk about the ways that you might describe a section of music ("quiet with a sense of prayer"). This is very similar to how actors are trained to perform: actors are taught that they need to break down their text into individual "units of thought" and that with each thought you are attempting to accomplish a goal using some tactic (for example, a tactic might be "to beg forgiveness," or "to seduce my scene partner"). The specificity behind the intention of what we're playing allows a performer to create a carefully orchestrated but also an "authentic" or "inspired" performance. Breaking it down in an intentional way like this empowers a performer to come into a performance with a plan of how they are going to capture the emotionality of what they're doing WITHOUT relying on "I'll just play it like I feel it in the moment" ... which has the dangerous pitfall where if you're not feeling it, you're not playing anything.
There are so many parallels between music performance and acting performance - it would be great to see musicians and actors train together (outside of just musical theatre), I'm sure there's a lot that we can learn from each other. I know I've learn a lot about theatre performance from watching your videos.
Analysis leads to understanding. Understanding aids improvisation. Improv is communication.
"You shouldn't overthink about overthinking." Love it!
Even though I'm a *very* amateur musician, I learn so much from your approach and delivery. Thanks...
Understanding music, its form, its harmonic progression, its historical context, or even the composer's state of mind and his reasons for writing it in the first place; all this is like reading a book : reading letters and words to understand a sentence is great but understanding the whole story and its purpose, that's the real beauty. Same goes for music, painting, well, arts in general... Life! 😊🎶🎨🙏
My piano teacher says exactly the same. She makes me analyze the work in order to understand the structure and harmony. It helps me a lot also, as you said, with memorization.... and the frog doesn't die! In fact, the frog becomes much more beautiful!
analysing a piece to help play it is something I've been trying to teach my peers for a long time.
also when you mentioned about how you compose I was so happy. I compose in the exact same way (nice to know I'm not alone in that aspect XD)
great video, your videos always teach so much to so many people.
in my opinion analyzing the music that you like is extremely helpful when you are starting to write your own stuff
Nahre is one of a dozen or so truly great UA-camrs. Certainly one of my favorites.
I have been a self taught musician for 25 years and this channel changed my view on music. Thank you so much Nahre Sunshine.
Thank you!!! And cheers to your musical journey!!!
I agree that analysing music helps appreciate it more.
I can't properly analyse a music, but I feel amazed on so many things of an analysis of a music makes me learn and appreciate even more than just listening (I know, sounds weird when putting this way, but for someone who has no background on music it feels like an another world I really want to enter)
Do you watch the 8 bit music theory channel?
@@Marunius yep, actually it was the first music theory channel that I watched and I was totally confused when I watched his video for the first time
I can listen to you talk all day
I always find it interesting to find out the environment/context in which the piece was born. Artists translate their experiences into music, those experiences are informed by the time and place that the piece is created. That context can give a different outlook on the piece. I also like how you mention texture. Translating music into a physical tactile representation, I have never really thought of that. Also, many times i float to the narrative approach. I also find myself unraveling a conversation within the music.
About ten years ago I used to have this thing, where I was often disappointed how simple some of my favorite songs in rock, metal or even prog were if I learned them. It probably was because I learned to play with classical piano lessons but now play mostly the aforementioned genres. This actually made me afraid to look deeper into stuff I liked and also set back my transcribing skills.
I got over it by joining a cover band (and probably maturing a bit) and that in turn has made me at least a lot more confident about my own composing and arranging in bands.
You are driving in a city you don't know or a part of the city you don't know. Your focus and attention is on not getting lost, following signs and so forth. Then, when you are familiar enough, your attention shift to what makes each street different, you notice details, a shop you did not see before, a tree, a particular sign. So, I don't think is like dissecting a frog, it does not die but comes alive through a deeper sense of 'ownership' and easiness where you can shift your focus to the details that can give life to the piece.
Paralysis through analysis, a cliché that is often, but not always, true. Nahre, you are never a cliché.
Better way to put it, and thank you! 😂
@@NahreSol You're welcome Nahre. I'm a new subscriber to this channel, and also to Sound Field, and I'm glad I found you. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you continue to have success, but also that you find a way to lead a balanced life amidst all the YT craziness. 🤞
OMG....the conversations we cud have about music wud be incredible...thank u for posting this🌹❤
Love it. This ticks my boxes. Especially the dog and the snow.
All your posts has been like food for the thought. Very informative. Thanks a lot.
You are such an amazing musician. I Love watching you play and reading the analysis on top...!!’ Wish you all the best!!
Understanding music as a narrative is definitely a new approach that really opened my interpretation of music! Thank you Nahre Sol, I love your videos and you’ve already inspired me to begin exploring different genres! Happy Valentine’s day 💝
walking in the snowed over footprints of earlier minds, perhaps trying to imitate or just taking the lead as a way to then end up inevitably creating something personal either way
that metaphor just got me out of nowhere
probably intentional editing there
oh my that's a beautiful image
i can hear a 'hint' of chopin in your composition but it definitely seems to be you
I have heard the E.B. White quote before, but the way I'd heard it was "few ppl are interested-- and the frog dies in the process." ("analyzing a joke is like dissecting a frog~") But, Nahre, I am with you, I AM one of the few ppl interested, and that is largely bc i also compose, so for me analysis is a native tongue. Thank you for sharing. I hit the bell and turned on all notifications.
I love the fact that you can enjoy these videos as podcasts and still understand them perfectly
Great as always, I am also classical musician but I tend to focus on teaching and helping others
You were my inspiration to make youtube chanell, thanks a lot Nahre, love you
Amazing! And thank you so much!
@@NahreSol I think you should watch Sangah Noona videos. Music should be fun!
Thank you for this amazing video, I learned a lot of new approaches. 🎉
Watching these videos makes you feel in the comfier, most chill part of UA-cam
I love you Nahre Sol as a musician your videos gives me inspiration
The first music UA-cam channel/musician that talks about colors and shapes like how I see and make music. Awesome!
One teacher told me to start with the left hand, with a focus on the harmony. He thought, and I believe correctly, that if you dive into the piece with both hands you won’t get around to analyzing the harmony or be that conscious of how the left hand both serves and drives the piece. You can’t identify the role the left hand has in the piece unless you give it your undivided attention.
I agree, especially with Chopin! You have to know where the harmony goes before adding the melody!
The quality of your videos id incredible Nahre! Thank you for all the effort in helping us better understand different aspects, particularly the analytical ones
Thank you so much!!
Love the piece in the background, Nahre. Beautifully compliments your video and personality. I would like to add the dissecting a piece is like peeling an onion. Each layer reveals something new about the piece and engages my senses uniquely. Without deeper analysis of art, we would simply become passive consumers of it. I can't find any joy in that.
Nice way of thinking, analyzing music is one more approach to the mind of the composer, it helps. You make it even more alive understanding it better. Thx for the video!
I've been having trouble remembering some phrases in ballet class and had the same idea of assigning a story to a phrase!
Going to many dance class showcases. The most adept choreographers will do that. A story arc will develop, and then questions of, how do these dancers interact and influence each other throughout the piece... Idk if they realize it but I notice that
Wow, that is great!! I love that :)
You’re already my favorite channel
Many years ago i did a music degree and we analysed lots of different kinds of music from the Western canon and also some African and Asian musics. My experience, as I remember, was like a veil had been lifted from my eyes (ears?) and I was able to appreciate so much more deeply the works - be they Mozart symphonies, Beethoven sonatas, or pieces by Debussy, Bartok, Webern, Stockhausen or Babbitt.
But recently I've come to think that music was presented to me as a kind of puzzle to be solved. A friend without any musical training at all questioned whether I was losing the ability to respond emotionally to music directly. But I wondered what in fact she thought she was listening to if she didn't know what was "going on" in a piece, not even to the point of understanding the most basic forms. I've asked a few old mate from uni days about this, all in their 60s or older now, but didn't get a nice neat response I could type up here. None of them thought analysis was a waste or a distraction though. Needs further reflection and discussion!
Loved watching how this movie's director directed the whole narrative, who herself took the mantle of the actor, all while developing the background score, the atmosphere all along.
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I have learned so much from her in 30 minutes than in 1 year❤
A really inspiring and informative video. I am working on this technique and analyzing the music. Beautiful weather. Thanks Nahre.
You're gifted, talented and brilliant! Love it. Thank you.
I would say that understanding the Composer, their psychology, and their times is essential.
Another beautiful video. Thank you
Those qualitative descriptions of the mazurka were beautiful! You would write better program-notes than most I've seen.
I love her piece
“ To delay practicing!“ Ha ha Ha ha ha… That killed me. But seriously, I love this video. It gets harder and harder to find time to analyze music as you get older. It gets harder to find space for it. But I think it’s important. And I love conversations about it
I never wanted to analyze music because I loved the magic and mystery of how powerfully music could move my emotions....Now, I need to learn how to analyze because I want to compose. 😊 I want to learn how to express clearly what is in my heart. Similarly, I want to be a comedian! What makes a joke funny? Crafting a joke takes study and analysis too. It's like any creative process: writing, art, acting, crafting, engineering, architecture, etc.... We ask "What do I want to say? How? How have others done it? How will I?" I'm glad I enjoyed being swept away by the mystery for a while, but now I want to make my own magic!
Thank you for your thoughts and inspiration. I hope I meet you someday at a composer's award ceremony! 😍
The piece you composed is delightful and enjoyable.
Thank you for sharing. Your videos are lovely in the personal way you articulate your thoughts and in your style of recording/editing. You would be an inspiring teacher, I hope you are doing that professionally or you will in the future. It would benefit and inspire your students.
It's great to have found you on the internet, your videos always offer an interesting perspective. From the material I've seen online, I think what you do is among the best out there on the web.
Plus, you're adorable (at least from what I can see in the video haha), your way of analyzing things is very balanced, respectful of all points of view, and always very sharp. I never thought I would be interested in joining someone's Patreon, but I think this is the first time.
I don't speak much English but nowadays everything can be translated quickly. Greetings from Chile and my sincerest congratulations for the valuable content you share.
Really appreciate your sharing
If I like a piece of music, no matter what it is, often it is the structure that fascinates me, the construction in musical form, which I suppose I might obsess about because I want to understand how the narrative gets from the start to the end.
Just to add, why I really feel you are a wonderful educator, because you show strategies that are able to be applied to our own music, and even adapted - perhaps the one catalyst I can come back to time and again and learn something new.
You’re an inspiration to musicians like me, Nahre. I hope you always find delight in music and continue being so generous in sharing that delight with us.
I really appreciate it, thank you!!
Thankyou Nahre Sol, I'm loving your channel, I have always been astonished astounded how a musician is able to remember a piece of music . Must take a lot of time to be able to be familiar with music ...wonderful
I remember being in the thick of undergrad school listening to loud hard rock as a relaxation from classical! Love analysis, like discovering secrets
This channel is the best thing that's happen to me lately. Thank you for the inspiration
Something about your voice is so calming. Couple this with your amazing skill and great wealth of knowledge (most of which goes over my head) makes channel one of the great treasure troves of youtube. Stay amazing!
Awesome video Nahre!
I can't explain why, but your videos grab my attention so much.
Much more than any bling bling video with a lot of drive in picture or tone, and cgi in all colours. You name it.
They ground me, let me follow along, listen to you, listen to your playing, and take part in your experimental journey.
Minimalistic, yet therefore even more profundly inspiring, in an attention seeking www.
Thank you,
Alex
Thank's for all your video ! You're a great pianist, and a great teatcher. Many things in your video help me to progress 🎶🙏
Perhaps my fave video of yours
Thank you so much for noticing the answer that I gave! Although it was just my random opinion without thinking that it was actually related to classical music haha :D thank you for all the videos that you've created as well, I've learned a lot from you! You're truly an inspiration to me and to many others.❤
All love from Sarawak, Malaysia.
Very sincere. Thank you very much.
Thank You for sharing this. Analyzing music is mind expanding and therefore LIFE EXPANDING, and I agree, the more detailed ones analysis the better ones memory.
Wow. As a fellow musician I can totally relate when you explain how you compose music. You have an artistic mind.
Along with the idea of "a narrative outlook" honestly I dance with it.. because I find myself over understanding and saying to myself "i know i know" in transitions - but when I step back and dance with it I can find a way to feel it and feel with it - then with knowledge of the feel of it I find it so much easier to communicate the song in a fashion that serves the song and listener with the value and respect each deserve. I am astonished by your wisdom and overwhelmingly inspired.
You’re awesome! Love your videos. So interesting.
We analyze music as we hear them; there is no avoiding it. The music is coming to us as a single sound wave albeit a complicated one. We automatically analyze it and figure out the instruments that are making these sounds, the musical phrases, the mood, tempo etc. Musicians just take this to another level.
thank you for the piece on memorization round 5:50. very honest and so very helpful. I don't know much about music theory but the explanation helps all walks of life.
yours sincerely
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Dear Nahre, after seeing this video I like life more. I’m an amateur, so I’ll never be in “your” world at all, yet receiving these contents is like looking at a breathtaking view from an airplane. Still epic. Thanks 😃
You are as great at teaching as you are at composing.
Don't overthink overthinking!
I like that!
Excellent video Ms. Nahre Sol
Thank you very much!!
Beautiful composition in the background!
I totally,over the moon LOVE analysis of music. I come from the angle of composing,and have a big score collection, mostly string quartets and orchestral. What's really great, although time consuming,is to play each part into a workstation,but just mapping out harmony and form offers an abundance of insights. It gives me the opportunity to savor a favorite passage like a fine wine and to ponder the decisions of great musical minds. What's wonderful about music is that you get to see how the magic trick is done,but rather than ruin it,your appreciation is deepened.
And thus I add you to my melancholy list of unrequited loves.
You are one of the only people I would consider doing the Patreon thing for. I thoroughly enjoyed the video, and I'm really grateful for everything you do!
Thank you so much!!
Music tells a story. I don’t memorize every individual note. Mentally, I memorize the story, and then I work on the muscle memory.
The punctuations and zipping through the sonata sections gave me a satisfying smile inside. It pokes fun at music theory classes that can be taught in a rote and dry manner. I mean, how else are young people going to understand music written for 19th century dances and royal courtrooms?
NAHRE SOL, I'm ALSO "analytical oriented"... music wise... it's SO GOOD to know that there's MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE like me !!! Thanks Nahre !!! WELL DONE !!!
So many different levels of beauty in this video, I felt as if I was living beside Nahre. Educating, meditative, accessible, calming, the list of adjectives is practically endless. Earned a subscribe from me!
I only came across this in my later years (past age 40), but it suddenly made so much sense. I believe it is Arthur Rubenstein who said effectively, "The goal is to play the music behind the page." I took that to mean that notation is limited in what the composer can convey about the exact meaning and interpretation. One must endeavor to see beyond that.
For the promise of finding significance outside the scene that is created by the piece.
Many thanks!
As an amateur and debuting pianist, the teaching of this video is that I have so much, but so much to learn and study!
It's a bit intimidating, but exciting at the same time.
Great video...love your talk about description...I happen to think about that lately for memorization...Your extremely smart and talented...! Thank you ! ( And nice piece you wrote that played in the background !)