If you witness a student teaching another student improper technique just go over there and show them both the proper technique. Simple solution to a simple problem.
for what ever reason when I started reading your comment I thought it was gonna say "just go over there and roll with and smash both of them. then tell them their technique is wrong . Simple solution to a simple problem"
I know during one my first classes I was giving my input to another white belt as to where their foot should've been based on my perception of the demonstration. However as a white belt I really wasn't the best source for that but was just trying to be helpful, and I was just excited and I have a natural tendency to want to help teach people. My coach noticed and called out "Hey can I get one of my purple belts over here to teach instead of a white belt teaching?!" The purple belts he was talking to were chatting at that moment so he made a joke about how they should get busy making themselves useful instead of chatting. He himself was already busy coaching another pair in the room. His simple but assertive statement accomplished a couple things. 1) Got our little group the proper coaching we needed, 2) snapped the purple belts into action to help them grow to recognize their role as leaders among the group, and 3) made it clear in an inoffensive way to me that I shouldn't be "coaching" or teaching because that's just not my role yet in the family. My coach is amazing at what he does and a true leader in so many ways!
I've trained martial arts for 40 years, and have found this to be a problem throughout the years and across different styles. However, I haven't seen much of it in BJJ. I think getting smashed tends to keep people humble.
My first BJJ class I was choked out by a 110 pound girl and no idea what the hell happend. Then she sweep me over and arm bar and I said wow.. This is cool stuff.
I agree I have been doing Martial Arts for over 40 years myself and have seen it from time to time. They actually have a name for it. It's called the Dunning, Kruger Effect.
Our Jiu Jitsu gym has a white belt who is a third degree judo black belt. He sometimes gives advice for takedowns. Though to be fair, he is - invited - to give advice; usually with a 'do you have anything to add?' after the lesson. He usually has a couple little details that really lock down the technique.
Same... I was a D2 wrestler.. currently a white belt though I compete at blue (intermediate or purple in no gi) so when we drill takedowns... Especially no gi... My trainer allows me to add any little detail that might help technique... That being said... When we learn new techniques on the ground... I'm usually the first to raise his hand lol!
I just got my first stripe in bjj. I try to help my fellow white belts during open mat days when we roll. I don't want to be "that guy," so I never do that with higher belts or on normal class days. And I always make a point to say that I don't know what I'm doing either, but I'm willing to try to help out where I can.
surleydrum that’s how I treat it basically. If someone asks me a question at open mat I’ll try to answer it but I’ll add the caveat, “I’m only a bluebelt so You’d be better off asking your coach for the finer points” or something along those lines. I definitely don’t want to be that guy at a foreign gym
@@aqdjbcr That's good. I know that I appreciate any help I can get. I like to help other people, but aside from what I already said, I also try to limit my eagerness to help. It's kinda cringey when you are ALWAYS there to help, even when it isn't really wanted...I think that is true regardless of belt.
@@johnhagebeuk8 Thanks! I know that in the grand scheme of things 1 stripe on a white belt doesn't really mean much, but it meant a lot to me when my professor gave it to me. I have something tangible that shows that I have stuck with something difficult for a while now and I'm starting to gain some traction here and there. When you are getting smashed over and over again you begin to wonder if you are improving at all. It's really nice when someone you respect (your coach) confirms that you are beginning to find your way.
surleydrum exactly just keep on training your hard work will pay off. And you cannot loose in bjj just win or learn keep that in mind the good times last way longer that the sometimes not so good times while getting smashed and feel like an absolute idiot but that will go away and from the coloured belt the really fun stuff begins and then you’ll get hooked 👍🏻👊🏻🥋
@@jastrckl , I cannot right now. There is no way. I am over 40. I was far better in MT than BJJ lol. At least in MT I was always in the middle of the class not the worst lol. BJJ takes all my time and I do wrestling on Sunday. I have turned into a giant BJJ NERD and nut job. Last night I was up going over new Wrist locks and Knee bars. Who does that ?? I cannot use these in class but I think its so cool to know them for fun
I had my third practice today. A fellow white belt and I were rolling. My partner is a more experienced white belt. He submitted me from his guard with a gi choke. I asked him to show me how he did it and he agreed to help.
That's cool. I'm always glad to show a beginner how I submitted them after our roll. I hope that they progress and get myself or another partner with it someday and feel awesome about it.
As a white belt, i don’t like other white belts to coach me. But during practice it’s helpful having an exchange of what we just got from the coach to complete the technique and then showing the coach what we did.... Also, after rolling having an experience exchange with the opponent i think is helpful.
My coach ALWAYS bags on us watching UA-cam videos as lower belts to learn BJJ. One day, though, he slipped that he recommends we stay as far away from BJJ videos on UA-cam as possible EXCEPT for “this one channel called Chewjitsu.” I’ve been watching your channel for a while now, and I never saw why you were the exception. I see why now. You teach people how to be effective training partners and how to understand their training partners.
Only a charlatan would recommend not watching other sources of information. He is the true definition of stupid. Does this guy really believe that learning from the best instructors, the world champions and from the best sources is bad?
I'm not saying it should be the only thing you do but watching other sources of material for jiu jitsu while training has really improved my game I recommend it to anyone to do some research! I reminds me of my karate days when my teacher told me "only I can teach you how to punch not a boxing coach! Dont ever cross train while you are in my school!" (True story!) LOL those were the days but maybe your teacher means well there is also a lot of crap on UA-cam but the good thing about jiu Jitsu is you find out right away if it works so it's worth a shot 🤷♂️
I got my first stripe as a white belt in May after a year and a half of training . I give suggestions to less experienced people when I feel like I can help . Only on stuff that I know work for me that i can do . A person training for a year or more can teach a beginner alot !
Backup info from partner is fine, as long as ur not the "let me show you how its done (fails)"or "corrects people while they are destroying you during roll" guy. The second one is the worst...
If clearly see my partner make a mistake that I can help him through during drilling I’m not going to just let him keep doing it over and over I’m going to try to give him feedback until coach makes his way around to us and that’s what I would want if I was doing the move wrong on my partner. We are here to help each other grow (I’m only a 1 stripe white belt)
I think that's fine, someone asked me how to place their arms for a RNC, I'm a white belt but I know that so I showed her and got her to do it on me. But I'm not coaching lol most of the time just getting exhausted and smeshed
I am an above knee amputee. I have my first tournament since loosing my leg, tomorrow (pretty nervous). I have been doing jits for 8 years now and have never been graded (So still white belt). I suppose I teach people stuff but only when requested and under supervision. I find I learn more that way. Yesterday I rolled with a white belt and we learnt more together then in a normal class because a coach has to divide his attention between 10-15 guys where as we have the ability to concentrate more on ourselves but it is always mutual and respectful towards the coach.
I feel you on this. Sometimes ppl are too shy to ask a coach and try to figure it out on their own or by spending their drilling time looking at higher belts which is a detriment to the white belts.
Totally happens. Get some Air Force guy who did some point fighting tournaments and has a chip on his shoulder and he’ll definitely start correcting your form. Nothing against the Air Force. I might just be venting about a guy I met.
Yea Same lol. Some have try to walk me in a drill but I already knew what to do. I was just taking my time step by step. I could of do it fast like in sparring but in drilling you wanna make it nice and slow to sharp up that one move we working on. But I'm like yeah.
@Akilleus clearly you cant read, it says WAS. oh, and people can't change, or learn? Or does that only pertain to you, mr. born perfect? Sounds like the douche bag is you!
Everyone at my gym teaches everyone else, it's encouraged. Some people take to it more than others. The class sizes reach 30 sometimes and it would be impossible for one instructor to individually coach everyone. I was very lucky to be taken under the wing of an experienced white belt who has done most of my coaching. A blue belt took me to a whole new level recently. I'm very grateful to other white belts who have coached me. It's a great feeling when I've been able to pass on a little bit of knowledge to someone else. I'm kind of shocked by Chewie's answer.
Yeah same thing at my gym, sometimes low belt advice help a lot cause they kinda know what's your problem because they had it too just a few months ago. Meanwhile bb had that same problem x years ago... But shit happens when advanced white or blue belts are coaching on things they don't realy know...
yeah this video is dickhead-tier. there are white belts that can smash purple belts but oh they can't explain to the purple how they smashed them? stupid as fuck. these are the same guys that would say blues shouldn't say anything even though a blue belt just took bronze in adcc.
@@doom8274 Competition isn't everything. It's very rare to find a white belt smashing a purple belt. And if they are, it's likely not technique it's superior physical attributes. So if a linebacker can smash me, does that mean they can coach? Of course not. Because I know technique and they do not. That blue belt who went to ADCC is extremely physically gifted AND a good wrestler. Also, he was training religiously, hours and hours a day on the mats. Jiu Jitsu and wrestling are 2 different sports but go hand in hand. So he can teach to a certain degree.
@@bane3991 sounds like someones more hung up on belts than results. You can tie whatever color you want around your waist, it doesn't make you more qualified than the man who taps you over and over, regardless of what he wears.
@@doom8274 As I said before, a linebacker from the NFL would destroy me if I rolled with him, should he be telling me what to do even though he never trained a day in his life and I been training for a while? An NFL linebacker would destroy a lot of purple belts actually, so should they be giving purple belts advice just because they used their superior strength? I trained with 2 physical specimens. They were beating guys who were blue-purple belts because they were so freakishly strong, fast, and overall athletic. They were beating these guys right off the bat early on. They dominated me and they couldn't even tell you what hand grabs what when you have seat belt. Does a 200lb man know more than a 80lb female blue belt just because he beats her on his 1st day? You're basing everything off who can tap who. By that logic, a man who has been training 50yrs shouldn't be able to give advice since he's 110yrs old and can't roll well anymore. While your ability to tap people is taken into account(given your size, gender, age, etc) it's not the only thing. The classes you attend. How well you absorb jiu jitsu. Can you demonstrate what you're doing. How do you fare against higher belts, same level, lower skilled. Are you still doing stupid shit a beginner does. Are you leaving frequently before everyone starts to roll. The opposite, are you waiting for drilling to end just so you can only roll. Belts aren't everything, but they're good indicators of your knowledge. John Danaher is arguably the best jiu jitsu coach out there right now. The man has leg injuries and can barely roll. I'm sure he's getting tapped out by good purples. He's 1 of the most knowledgeable jiu jitsu guys in the world(probably the most). He can't prove it with his "results" like you say, but he can teach people who are physically ready for competitions. He trains some of the best MMA fighters and jiu jitsu guys in the world right now. Don't base everything off competition results, not a good idea. If you're a purple belt, you can start your own academy. An NFL linebacker starting his own academy without training a day in his life would be so ridiculous. Your knowledge of BJJ is far more superior than the results in a competition.
This doesn’t happen that often at our gym, but when it does the higher belts or others in the situation will simply say “I hear you, but I just want to check with the coach real quick”. Simple
I've seen this in a variety of settings in terms of how you confront peoples mistakes. Definitely better to pull them aside rather than publicly shame them. Great advice!
Depends. Everyone has a different background. Is he a X state champion wrestler white belt or is he a X state champion chess club white belt? It makes a difference. But all in all, don't be that guy.
I'm the chess club champion ! I keep my mouth shut and just listen and work. LOL . If a white belt also me something , I'll usually call over a black belt to explain stuff . I'll just be the grappling dummy haha
White belt here, I’ve been training for two years now and I’m starting to get to the point that when I’m drilling with new people and “teaching” the broader techniques I know. I don’t have a dedicated coach, but, I have a few friends who coach me and they’re encouraging me to help give guidance to the newer members. It does result in the professor white belt joke, but, I feel like I am respectful of the coach and his lessons.
Definitely comes down to how accurate the info the white belt is giving. Maybe they picked up some tips from Keenan online and could help to open the minds of those around them. However, it could be completely wrong and they could just be a control freak. All depends
It’s similar etiquette at work and life in general to be honest. If you know for a fact that you have similar experience and are basically at the same level you naturally can help each other out and sometimes point each other in the right direction. But if you know someone has more experience and is at a higher level just listen and ask questions. It shows respect and humility. It also shows you’re intelligent and that you want to learn. You’ll slowly gain the respect of your peers.
One thing I've seen my school do is separate the white belts and pair them up with higher belts. This has helped me learn at a much faster rate and notice small little details that would take a long time to learn on my own.
I really love your videos man. I don't do BJJ I practice Muay Thai but I feel much of what you say is applicable across every gym and every style. Keep it up man.
I’m a white belt and There was a guy at bjj who was on his first day and didn’t really know any submission techniques, I think he wrestles a lot but he could never finish me and usually we go to submit, so I showed him how to do an armbar and I’m pretty sure everyone was ok with it because I showed him the right way to do it and I showed him the escapes, to be honest the reason I showed him the armbar is because it’s the main thing I can do with 100% confidence I’m doing right
I think it depends on what's going on, I mean if you're dealing with take down's and there's a guy on the mat for example who is an experienced wrestler or has a background in judo but not much rank in BJJ I would listen( I learnt some great stuff from someone who was a catch wrestling vet but has only recently got his blue belt in bjj and was a white belt when i first met him). But people who don't know anything and have no background i wouldnt or would check with the instructor.
Lewis Barrett according to some people it’s bad etiquette to show people things you know until you hit a magic number of times in the gym, and earn the privilege of sharing your knowledge. Lmao
Bjj at this point is becoming the same as karate, people who've never done any combat sport and have no motor skills pay $100 a month for an hour of drilling. In a couple years you are going to be calling drill instructors sensei and can only listen to them with their giant ego. Someone in wrestling/judo for 4 years knows 10xs more about take downs than a jujitsu practitioner for 6 but you cant listen to them.
That’s one of my biggest gripes with belt systems hierarchy becomes more important than skill. We should be learning how to impose our will on resisting opponents, we shouldn’t be learning how to worship authority.
@@michaelhendricks5449 I've stopped going to gyms, I've learned enough from bjj (I've wrestled for a 6 years) and I bought mats to have anyone who wants to roll can come to my place for free and roll. If I want to learn something I watch UA-cam but I have enough people who want to roll that we can roll for 3-4 hours straight. I know some people cant do that but I find it much more educational to learn from other people and to TEACH other people. You dont truly understand something until you can teach it.
I have been watching your channel for several months now. I dont do bjj, nor do I want to. I find your being upbeat on things why I keep watching. I may have to leave soon. Just, thought I would say I like the positivity.
where I am from, it is unthinkable that somebody else than the teacher would teach. In the advanced group the participants are mostly black belts with 20-25 years experience, and yet none of us would have the audacity to show a technique to someone in front of the teacher. We can do after the class.
@@Team_Killer_NZ This right here. Not that I encourage the behavior but if I am with a total newb, a few simple pointers that helped me will come out but in the intermediate class my mouth is clammed except to ask questions.
I rolled with a white belt that had quite a few more stripes than I do (I currently have 0 lol). He was trying to help me out, but as soon as he ran into the fact that he wasn't sure how to explain the tech, he got 2 of our coaches to come and help. I feel like we both got more out of the roll and it was actually a positive experience vs bad teaching. I don't think that students teaching other students is bad, but if there's any doubt or confusion it could turn into a deeper learning experience rather than a risk. Always reach out to your coach 👌
In the bjj gym I was in, I never one time got instruction from an instructor. They said do this activity. I have no idea what that meant so I asked the instructor. He told me to go ask a colored belt. That same day. I attempted to do a specific technique and with no instruction. I looked like a fish out of water. I looked at the instructors, 2 instructors and the owner(a former UFC and ultimate fighter contestant ) all standing laughing at me and making remarks about me instead of helping. I lost it. Quit at that moment and made a lot of online reviews talking bad about them. Owner called offering a free membership that I declined. Long story but some schools just aren’t there to help anything but their bank account.
@@samblack5313 shouldnt be rolling your first day, especially if the purple belt knew you were a new comer je shouldn't have gone high intensity he's basiczlly a pro at that stage and should know better
kyrie james Thailand, Brazilian guy. I’m a BIG scary looking dude. Told him it was my first roll.. possible language barrier, dude went hard, subbed me about 5 times in 2 mins. Threw up from exhaustion, later realised my wrist was gone.. first day of a planned 3 month training trip. I could tape it real tight and still hit pads, but that was it for grappling on that trip. I was pissed. Had gone over with the intention of 2 a days.
Make sure you tap in a way your rolling partner noticed you actualy tapped (aka dont tap softly on the mat). Be careful with other white belts , some of em can break your arm without even understanding what they are doing
I've faced a related situation for a while: I'm a one-stripe blue belt and I learn the majority of my techniques from UA-cam and home study because I have a very diffficult time paying attention to the instruction in class. It's just how my learning style is and has always been--never learned from lectures in school, always from the book at home. So in many cases if I'm with a white belt they'll start telling me what to do and sort of "babying" me. I guess they take my laid-back attitude and difficulty picking up on the teaching in class as a sign that they can coach me, lol. If it helps me, I don't mind. But it does strike me as a bit ballsy to do that to someone, especially a person with more experience.
@@michaelhendricks5449 No. I wish. I just assume their ego wouldn't allow it. On the flip side, I will sometimes show them a move that I'm working on and I won't say where I found it, but it's usually from a very credible source like Keenan Cornelius or Stephan kesting or Chewjitsu. And they will s*** all over the move and say why it's a bad move basically. I bet they wouldn't s*** on the move if Keenan, Stephan Kesting, or Chewjitsu were showing it to them.
@@michaelhendricks5449 I was practicing a spider sweep with a multi-stripe brown belt and noticed how we kept getting caught in an X-guard, and I asked the coach and helped us both figure it out. He said it was a really good question. I wasn't "teaching" there but it does show that brown belts are still learning too and that white belts can sometimes help.
A lot of martial arts gyms have issues with know it alls. I was teaching a Kali class at a gym and I had a student who always acted like he knew what he was doing and would produce to instruct and correct the other students. It really pissed me off.....thank God he quit.
Ya because maybe they feel how annoyed their instructor is and they realized nobody likes them. People paid the instructor for training, not the other student who keeps acting like an ass. The types who say "Yeah yeah I got it ok yeah I know" when you are teaching them a concept. And then also correct the instructor as well and say "No thats not what you said. You said like this."
Yeah, this is something I'm so conscious of not being *that* person. Even if I see someone doing something incorrect, it's not my place to say anything. I'll let the coach see it & he will correct it.
This is 💯 true lol There was a guy at my old gym who did this. Dude never even rolled he was a boxer! Didn’t even have a white belt, but constantly felt the need to try and coach guys when they rolled. Everyone ignored him, which just made it worse. We had kids that came in on Thursday evenings and he’d do it with him too and then all the sudden you notice these kids incorporating these techniques he’d tell them and they absolutely never worked and it’s a lot harder to go back and teach them the proper way and have them completely forget the nonsense he told them. Eventually he was banned from the mats lol I’m not sure what it is about people like him who do that and truthfully believe they know what they’re talking about.
I’ve been training for about 5 years now, and there are some things I do relatively well. Occasionally I’m asked about one of these things, by someone who has trained for about a year or so. Now, I’m an experienced teacher of things, I’m familiar with learning styles, posing the problem to be solved in multiple ways, and being patient and encouraging. I also enjoy teaching people, about anything I know about. However with bjj, I tend to say “well, I do this, not sure if it’s correct, but I know if I do XYZ differently, this bad thing can happen. If you want more info on this, go to that person (points to the coach or one of the higher belts who probably taught me the technique)” That’s my compromise between not wanting to be coaching in someone else’s gym, and wanting my training partners to learn what I have learnt. 🤷🏻♂️
It's a fine line to walk. Having a policy is difficult because there are so many variables that come into play for a given situation that determine whether it's a problem. As such, it's hard to develop reasonable criteria that will cover all circumstances. Personally, even now as a brown belt, I often say why don't you ask coach to come watch you if my partner asks me a question. Sometimes it's just pragmatic, like when I simply can't see how they're gripping because they're behind me. Other times, it's not a position I play or am very familiar with so I don't have a good enough understanding to coach others on it.
This is a tough topic for me.. I am only a 1 stripe and I have to train with a lot of the newer guys that come into the gym. I coach these guys non stop because if I didn't we wouldn't get any reps in because they don't know what to do. I don't teach them the wrong stuff though, just what we are drilling that day. My gym seems to really appreciate that and considers me a great team mate. Maybe this is a different scenario
It’s hilarious cause this happened during my training today. I don’t train BJJ but I love your videos. I train Muay Thai and a guy only 2 or 3 classes in was trying to teach a day 1 guy. Completely wrong Muay Thai techniques. I was cringing on the other side of the gym hoping someone more experienced then me in the gym would notice. I’ll probably mention it to someone next class. You can seriously frustrate and also hurt someone by teaching wrong techniques. In any sport or martial art form.
Lol! Yup. Ive had that scenario happen. I try to be as polite as possible and try to show them the correct way after they demonstrate it to me. Sometimes I'll ask the instructor to help as if its me that needs it.... sometimes depending on how receptive the other person is.
There is a video here on yt called "bjj bb vs jjj black belt" where there are people in the comments saying that the bjj bb is not good enough, and that they would submit the traditional jj bb much faster than he did.
Our fundamentals classes usually have blues to blacks because that might be the only class they can make that day or they want to do a later class or whatever. Instructor always pairs up higher belts with lower belts for drilling. And of course sometimes there's whites with whites but usually the higher belts look around them and help if someone nearby isn't getting the technique. Often a brown or black belt that happens to be in class will skip drilling and act as another coach then come back in for sparring. I think it works. Thanks for the video!
I love how he said that beginners will follow they behaviour they see, in my muay thai gym every one always bowed to me after sparring inspire of being 20x better than me so now i now after sparring too
Definitely agree, the white belt coach can be annoying. That being said, my class has one instructor for around 30 people, so he can’t watch every pair individually. So I usually have to learn the bulk of what is happening from either more experienced white belts or higher belts and the coach can help fix the details.
In my gym a few months back there was this one guy brand new, says he took "MMA" for a few years and quit for a while and came back, well my teachers are a purple and brown belt, and on Saturdays a blue belt. Well even when the purple and brown belts are showing techniques he tries to even correct them. They don't get frustrated they just tell him why his way doesn't work. So I guess he's been doing the technique all wrong this entire time. Well, he comes now and keeps his mouth quiet other than to pick around and stuff like a normal student, so I guess he got humbled by the knowledge or they took him to the side without us knowing. Either which way I'm so glad because it was very annoying to deal with. So I can relate to this video 110%. Great video as usual brother. OSS.
I'm still a white belt, about a 1 year 2 mo training, but I feel pretty confident about some of the knowledge I have. I certainly wouldn't presume to teach anyone more experienced than me, but sometimes rolling with greener white belts I can clearly see a mistake they are making. And it's not just an intellectual mistake, it's a mistake I exploit in order to beat them, to sweep, pass, or submit them. I really enjoy teaching in these situations. After I've done it, a lot of times I'll see higher belts or the coach of my gym nod or confirm what I was saying. My coach even picks me to roll against new people. I get why a white belt shouldn't be a coach, but also I only do this when, like I said, I'm very confident I'm right and I've actually used what I'm telling them.
White belt chime in here. Last night my partner wasn't getting grips on the leg and I knew he should be because it was just shown to us. I told him twice to make sure he gets grips on the leg and he wasn't doing it. So I just stopped and kept doing my technique and finally the instructor came over and told him to get grips on the leg. Knowing your boundaries and your place is important even if you are right.
I am a white belt, and i help new white belts all the time. Our gym partners the new whites with more seasoned guys when working technique. I only help with the "move of the day" while working on it. But of coach is also gives input to everyone, so he will correct anything wrong.
Best way I find when a white belt asks you for help is to say "if you want to learn the white belt way I can show you, or else ask the higher belts for the correct technique"
As a new white belt practicing ippon seoi nage I got this from a blue belt bjj guy. When he was moaning at me for deciding to do it off the lapel grip and not the sleeve. I also kept removing his left arm from my jacket so I could easily turn in. and he was saying that's not realistic as he would have his grips. This is all before I'd even turned in once. I explained to him the lapel allows me to have a left handed grip which puts people off and allows me strong control of the body. And as for the other hand I'm confident I could keep that off... He looked at me confused, I then proceeded to turn in nice and quickly like I had done for the past 16 year at my judo club :D. Even the higher belts can be guilty of assuming they know more than they do and assuming white belts know nothing. This is an extreme case though. Normally I listen to almost any bjj player when it comes to the ground game as mine sucks compared to standing, but don't moan about a black belt judo players fav throw before he's even demonstrated it haha.
I'm a white belt with 3 stripes and I catch myself doing this now and then, and quickly remind my partner that I'm really only trying to put into words what seems to work against me - like if we're working on a choke I'll help them made adjustments so I feel like I'm being submitted more efficiently. If the adjustments aren't obvious we usually just raise our hand and ask the instructor for some perspective. I think one thing that helps is in our gym it is extremely rare for a lower rank to submit a higher rank, so I feel like for me when I role with blue/purple belts regularly and my technique clearly isn't up to par to submit them, it keeps me grounded. I think if I was only ever rolling with 1-2 stripe white belts I might have a false sense of reality in regards to where I am with my jiu jitsu.
I think this is a universal problem! Coming from a chess background, I often see people in forums giving advice when they themselves are beginners. I think its just a desire to be an expert at the craft that is expressing itself in trying to grab that position.
I'm guilty of kinda doing this as a beginner. I was drilling with an absolute beginner who was totally off with his mechanics, so I attempted to correct him, only to find out later that my "correction" wasn't much better or technically sound. I'm still a beginner, but I now know the exasperation when someone tries to do it because people with less training than me do it to me now.
I never say a word unless I'm asked. I get so in thought trying different set ups for set ups. "If that makes sense" even if I'm constantly tapping certain guys/girls I never say a word. Growth comes from humbling yourself and asking, "hey man, everytime we roll you do the classic set up for slice to loop hole grip, but end up tapping me from an armbar. Can you help me with that?" In that moment that person jumps levels. The flow of skills to be better will always be there.
Ha! I got scared when I saw the title of the video, because I'm always helping newer white belts make small corrections and adjustments. Even if my training partner is a higher belt and we're drilling a new technique, I'll tell him if he's doing something different than what we've just been shown. I'm glad to find out that you're talking about something completely different.
I can see it from both sides. I'm white &2, it's a lot easier for our instructor with a brand new person if people like us teach things like guard pass cycle and what the positions are. At the same time, I still routinely attack the wrong side when someone is on my back because I learnt it wrong and it's now so I ingrained.
I’m a white belt. Even if we’re drilling and my partner asks me what to do, no matter if I actually know, I just ask the instructor. As soon as I think I know, I’ll screw it up and someone else too. When in doubt, ask Chewy.
I'm a really experienced white belt and I try to help my fellow students as much as I can, but I'm also very honest about how much I do or dont know what I'm talking about
Ive been yelled at for coaching when i wasnt really coaching that much. We did a drill where the person tried to posture up in guard while the other tried to break posture/sweep. Problem was my partner knew nothing. He would grab low on my lapel and just pull. I was never in any position of danger. I tried to tell him if hes gonna use the lapel try to get higher up around the neck and got yelled at. Ended with me wasting a ton of time not even having to defend myself.
My gym is a relatively young gym. We have a couple blue belts and only one or two with stripes. Our professor is Top Notch five stripes from Brazil but he only moved here 3 years ago. I'm a 2 stripe white belt it's good at it for about a year some days in class I'm the second or third most experienced and some days I am number 7 or 8. When we roll after class only three or four people usually stay for open mat. Sometimes I get somebody who is experienced and provides a good competition and sometimes I get new people who are fresh out of the box. What can I do to improve my game when I don't have a lot of competition or variety? I love the professor and the people that don't want to change gyms, the instruction is amazing. Please make this a bob question. Thanks so much for your awesome videos. You really are my UA-cam coach with your philosophy and insights.
I'm more on the physical side of Jiu Jitsu, so occasionally a white belt or blue will correct me or even show me what to do. I never feel offended ever, I always learn from them, and best thing to do is accept ur mistakes, learn from them and do better. And if u want no one to tell u anything, my advice is to perfect yourself, pretty tough to do, but not impossible lol. I don't think Whites and Blues should ever teach a class ever. Purple Belts and higher are certified to teach anyways, so if ur a white or blue, don't teach, correct if u know something's wrong. Purples and higher, let ur students or lower rank mat class mates correct u, especially if u know they're right. It's ok, don't ever let ur ego get the best of u.
Great subject brother. Is it the same what i sometimes do? Iam a white belt who listens very carefully because i hate it to learn it the wrong way. And if i notice that a student is doing some move wrong i help by showing what they do wrong but only if iam 100% sure. Else i call my coach to show that detail. Is that wrong and should i mind my own business or do you think its good to help?
It depends I guess like I’m a 4 stripe white belt and a lot of the newer white belts ask me how to do techniques and like to drill with me in particular after a certain weekly afternoon classy I keep an eye on this one guy whose been at it a few months and I give him techniques for positions I see him end up in example The last class just there we were doing half guard specifics king of the mat style and he didn’t really have any half guard sweeps he jut kept going to full guard so at the end of class I showed him the basic half guard sweep I try not to get ahead of myself if someone asks me how to do something and I don’t know how or am not very good at it I’ll just call over one of the better blue belts I think that’s an important distinction teach when asked and if you know it 💁♂️🥋 Sorry for the long comment 😅
I don't see anything wrong with that, especially if it is experimentation -- usually if a higher belt is around, you can try out some positional rolling then ask and they will help., I've also found that, like music or language, sometimes people just "know" how to do something (higher belts) but admit they really can't explain it. My biggest beef is not necessarily the "know it all" but the guy acts like he taught you something because he got you in a bad position---that he subsequently held onto for the remaining 4 minutes of the roll--then acts like he tapped you.
I try to be humble with my "oddities" as a white belt such as my flat, but on my toes side control (easily rolled if my knees touch the mat) and the no gi baseball choke i found from it (taps blue belts, scares browns). It can be frustrating to almost always be wrong on every detail and I think that is where this very common behavior comes from.
I started with a buddy and we kind of coach each other when we run new drills. I would never try that with anyone who’s been there longer than me unless I noticed what they were doing might hurt them, which would probably never happen anyway.
I've been lucky, in my gym there aren't usually any white belt teachers, though if people of any level are behaving trouble with a technique, they'll usually ask someone nearby to watch to see what they're doing different from the coach if the coach isn't available, usually either one of the more experienced belts or someone they can see doing it right.
My teacher asked me to help this kid (teach him) right before me and the kid were to roll, and he got frustrated that the teacher said that since we were both white belts (I was just way better than him lol). He said “I don’t think you can teach me anything” and I just laughed and stayed humble. Then he tried to show me a move (probably to stroke his ego), but he showed it wrong and I ended up showing him the correct way lol. Some people wanna teach cuz it makes them feel advanced and elite
At my school, people are discouraged to talk alot after each rep or drill, especially in the begginer class. Reason is, 1. One extra reps over the long run contributes more than talking about it and not getting the reps. 2. Most begginers don`t know what they are talking about anyways so its more efficient to just do reps.
If you're rolling with someone less experienced than you and they look a bit lost during a move, there's nothing wrong with politely offering suggestions. Especially if you preface it with "I'm a newbie too so check with the pros"
This just happened to me today - hence I stumbled upon the video. I’m a blue belt and was paired with a white belt for a technique I hadn’t seen before, but the white belt was at prior classes where it was covered. He showed me how to do the move, which was fine … but then he proceeded to try to coach me for follow on techniques, to include a pretty basic thing he got wrong. I try to be humble and thought maybe this was something else I missed during the time I was away, so I went with it even though I thought it felt weird upon execution. I even said, are you sure this is right? He was sure! Well 2 min later, the instructor walks by as I’m doing it wrong and says - hey not that way - and corrects me back to what I had said all along. Needless to say, it was annoying. Oh - and so was when the white belt progressed beyond the drill so he could advance and tap me with am arm bar. It was a bit ridiculous. Unfortunately I didn’t get to spar with him that day …
This is a good guide for teaching in general. Teacher feeds knowledge to someone who lacks it, those people feed the knowledge to others. If the teacher taught wrong, you have a large group of people are giving wrong information. Pyramid scheme of ignorance in a way. Great content, great delivery.
I've been wrestling for 7 years and have done jiujutsu for about a year and I'm still a white belt. If we're going over a takedown I'll help them out since my instructor knows thats right up my alley but when it comes to a gi submission or something i usually don't do like a kimura, I let them teach it because I know that I'm in over my head if I act like i know it.
There is a legendary story about my professor (who is Brazilian and super old school). One of the blue belts at the class was attempting to teach a white belt a technique during drilling. My professor stopped addressed the class and said, “you know what- John is teaching Jiu Jitsu today,” and left the academy for that class. There were some pretty pissed of upper belts that had some words with John, but it never happened again.
I’m a 3 stripe white belt. When coach shows us moves. i usually remember them well and i do it with my buddy who’s a blue belt. i never go out my way to teach somebody during bjj.
If you witness a student teaching another student improper technique just go over there and show them both the proper technique. Simple solution to a simple problem.
Brandon Swan boom!
for what ever reason when I started reading your comment I thought it was gonna say "just go over there and roll with and smash both of them. then tell them their technique is wrong . Simple solution to a simple problem"
Thanks man
Brandon Swan Obviously but you can’t have some know it all white belt
Not really...
I know during one my first classes I was giving my input to another white belt as to where their foot should've been based on my perception of the demonstration. However as a white belt I really wasn't the best source for that but was just trying to be helpful, and I was just excited and I have a natural tendency to want to help teach people. My coach noticed and called out "Hey can I get one of my purple belts over here to teach instead of a white belt teaching?!" The purple belts he was talking to were chatting at that moment so he made a joke about how they should get busy making themselves useful instead of chatting. He himself was already busy coaching another pair in the room.
His simple but assertive statement accomplished a couple things. 1) Got our little group the proper coaching we needed, 2) snapped the purple belts into action to help them grow to recognize their role as leaders among the group, and 3) made it clear in an inoffensive way to me that I shouldn't be "coaching" or teaching because that's just not my role yet in the family.
My coach is amazing at what he does and a true leader in so many ways!
I've trained martial arts for 40 years, and have found this to be a problem throughout the years and across different styles. However, I haven't seen much of it in BJJ. I think getting smashed tends to keep people humble.
My first BJJ class I was choked out by a 110 pound girl and no idea what the hell happend. Then she sweep me over and arm bar and I said wow.. This is cool stuff.
My first MT class along time ago: The thunder of those shin kicks was enough to get me in. I never kicked before.
There’s no “getting smashed” in bjj. It’s a soft sport
@@conradburton6983 , Soft yes compared to Jousting lol
I agree I have been doing Martial Arts for over 40 years myself and have seen it from time to time. They actually have a name for it. It's called the Dunning, Kruger Effect.
Our Jiu Jitsu gym has a white belt who is a third degree judo black belt. He sometimes gives advice for takedowns. Though to be fair, he is - invited - to give advice; usually with a 'do you have anything to add?' after the lesson. He usually has a couple little details that really lock down the technique.
And technically he is already a blue belt... At least
@wetlknbouteskimos Yea, very different.
Yeah bro thats a different situation he is acknowledged as a individual WITH technical experience
@@Rougeraf_academy id say he can beat most brown belts
Same... I was a D2 wrestler.. currently a white belt though I compete at blue (intermediate or purple in no gi) so when we drill takedowns... Especially no gi... My trainer allows me to add any little detail that might help technique... That being said... When we learn new techniques on the ground... I'm usually the first to raise his hand lol!
I just got my first stripe in bjj. I try to help my fellow white belts during open mat days when we roll. I don't want to be "that guy," so I never do that with higher belts or on normal class days. And I always make a point to say that I don't know what I'm doing either, but I'm willing to try to help out where I can.
surleydrum that’s how I treat it basically. If someone asks me a question at open mat I’ll try to answer it but I’ll add the caveat, “I’m only a bluebelt so You’d be better off asking your coach for the finer points” or something along those lines. I definitely don’t want to be that guy at a foreign gym
@@aqdjbcr That's good. I know that I appreciate any help I can get. I like to help other people, but aside from what I already said, I also try to limit my eagerness to help.
It's kinda cringey when you are ALWAYS there to help, even when it isn't really wanted...I think that is true regardless of belt.
Congrats on your first stripe 👍🏻👊🏻. I am allways open for feedback or help but notice that sometimes other students dont like it.
@@johnhagebeuk8 Thanks! I know that in the grand scheme of things 1 stripe on a white belt doesn't really mean much, but it meant a lot to me when my professor gave it to me. I have something tangible that shows that I have stuck with something difficult for a while now and I'm starting to gain some traction here and there. When you are getting smashed over and over again you begin to wonder if you are improving at all. It's really nice when someone you respect (your coach) confirms that you are beginning to find your way.
surleydrum exactly just keep on training your hard work will pay off. And you cannot loose in bjj just win or learn keep that in mind the good times last way longer that the sometimes not so good times while getting smashed and feel like an absolute idiot but that will go away and from the coloured belt the really fun stuff begins and then you’ll get hooked 👍🏻👊🏻🥋
I practice muay thai but somehow i find all your videos so helpful!!!!
Concepts and principles ma dude.
Keep doing MT... one day you can always do bJJ but I would say you do the no-gi only
David do both!
@@jastrckl , I cannot right now. There is no way. I am over 40. I was far better in MT than BJJ lol. At least in MT I was always in the middle of the class not the worst lol. BJJ takes all my time and I do wrestling on Sunday. I have turned into a giant BJJ NERD and nut job. Last night I was up going over new Wrist locks and Knee bars. Who does that ?? I cannot use these in class but I think its so cool to know them for fun
Same but TKD + Judo.
Yes. He told me to cross my feet while I'm having him in seatbelt.
Let's leave it at that.
oh nooooooooo
your poor legs :D
another reason why people start doing BJJ ... listening to Joe Rogan Experience podcast
literally the only reason i started looking into it
Train by day Joe Rogan Podcast by night!
@@JoseLuna-qn6yd all day
@@JoseLuna-qn6yd ALL DAY
Now that I've started training I can officially say TRAIN BY DAY JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT ALL DAY!
I had my third practice today. A fellow white belt and I were rolling. My partner is a more experienced white belt. He submitted me from his guard with a gi choke. I asked him to show me how he did it and he agreed to help.
That's cool. I'm always glad to show a beginner how I submitted them after our roll. I hope that they progress and get myself or another partner with it someday and feel awesome about it.
I'm definitely guilty of this! No more! Thank you for bringing this up.
As a white belt, i don’t like other white belts to coach me. But during practice it’s helpful having an exchange of what we just got from the coach to complete the technique and then showing the coach what we did....
Also, after rolling having an experience exchange with the opponent i think is helpful.
My coach ALWAYS bags on us watching UA-cam videos as lower belts to learn BJJ. One day, though, he slipped that he recommends we stay as far away from BJJ videos on UA-cam as possible EXCEPT for “this one channel called Chewjitsu.”
I’ve been watching your channel for a while now, and I never saw why you were the exception. I see why now. You teach people how to be effective training partners and how to understand their training partners.
Only a charlatan would recommend not watching other sources of information. He is the true definition of stupid. Does this guy really believe that learning from the best instructors, the world champions and from the best sources is bad?
I'm not saying it should be the only thing you do but watching other sources of material for jiu jitsu while training has really improved my game I recommend it to anyone to do some research! I reminds me of my karate days when my teacher told me "only I can teach you how to punch not a boxing coach! Dont ever cross train while you are in my school!" (True story!) LOL those were the days but maybe your teacher means well there is also a lot of crap on UA-cam but the good thing about jiu Jitsu is you find out right away if it works so it's worth a shot 🤷♂️
As a lower belt I've learned A LOT from watching videos, I think unless you train every day it's really helpful.
I got my first stripe as a white belt in May after a year and a half of training . I give suggestions to less experienced people when I feel like I can help . Only on stuff that I know work for me that i can do . A person training for a year or more can teach a beginner alot !
Backup info from partner is fine, as long as ur not the "let me show you how its done (fails)"or "corrects people while they are destroying you during roll" guy. The second one is the worst...
Simple stuff - Communication:
I don't need help with this.
I need help with this.
I need help but I want to hear it from the coach.
If clearly see my partner make a mistake that I can help him through during drilling I’m not going to just let him keep doing it over and over I’m going to try to give him feedback until coach makes his way around to us and that’s what I would want if I was doing the move wrong on my partner. We are here to help each other grow (I’m only a 1 stripe white belt)
I think that's fine, someone asked me how to place their arms for a RNC, I'm a white belt but I know that so I showed her and got her to do it on me. But I'm not coaching lol most of the time just getting exhausted and smeshed
I am an above knee amputee. I have my first tournament since loosing my leg, tomorrow (pretty nervous). I have been doing jits for 8 years now and have never been graded (So still white belt). I suppose I teach people stuff but only when requested and under supervision. I find I learn more that way. Yesterday I rolled with a white belt and we learnt more together then in a normal class because a coach has to divide his attention between 10-15 guys where as we have the ability to concentrate more on ourselves but it is always mutual and respectful towards the coach.
I feel you on this. Sometimes ppl are too shy to ask a coach and try to figure it out on their own or by spending their drilling time looking at higher belts which is a detriment to the white belts.
Man, I've seen guys walk in for the first day of class, trying to correct peoples techniques.
Totally happens. Get some Air Force guy who did some point fighting tournaments and has a chip on his shoulder and he’ll definitely start correcting your form. Nothing against the Air Force. I might just be venting about a guy I met.
Yea Same lol. Some have try to walk me in a drill but I already knew what to do. I was just taking my time step by step. I could of do it fast like in sparring but in drilling you wanna make it nice and slow to sharp up that one move we working on. But I'm like yeah.
Those are the guys who get choked the hardest when it comes time to roll.
@@e.e.2372 For reals lol
Just because it’s their first day at your school doesn’t mean it’s their first day grappling.
I was one. Hard to imagine they ever gave me a purple belt.
@Akilleus clearly you cant read, it says WAS. oh, and people can't change, or learn? Or does that only pertain to you, mr. born perfect? Sounds like the douche bag is you!
tap6354
not that guy . He wont understand what you said hell just stay with that same opinion of you.
@Akilleus pretty much yeah i was.
Everyone at my gym teaches everyone else, it's encouraged. Some people take to it more than others. The class sizes reach 30 sometimes and it would be impossible for one instructor to individually coach everyone. I was very lucky to be taken under the wing of an experienced white belt who has done most of my coaching. A blue belt took me to a whole new level recently. I'm very grateful to other white belts who have coached me. It's a great feeling when I've been able to pass on a little bit of knowledge to someone else. I'm kind of shocked by Chewie's answer.
Yeah same thing at my gym, sometimes low belt advice help a lot cause they kinda know what's your problem because they had it too just a few months ago. Meanwhile bb had that same problem x years ago... But shit happens when advanced white or blue belts are coaching on things they don't realy know...
yeah this video is dickhead-tier. there are white belts that can smash purple belts but oh they can't explain to the purple how they smashed them? stupid as fuck. these are the same guys that would say blues shouldn't say anything even though a blue belt just took bronze in adcc.
@@doom8274 Competition isn't everything. It's very rare to find a white belt smashing a purple belt. And if they are, it's likely not technique it's superior physical attributes. So if a linebacker can smash me, does that mean they can coach? Of course not. Because I know technique and they do not.
That blue belt who went to ADCC is extremely physically gifted AND a good wrestler. Also, he was training religiously, hours and hours a day on the mats. Jiu Jitsu and wrestling are 2 different sports but go hand in hand. So he can teach to a certain degree.
@@bane3991 sounds like someones more hung up on belts than results. You can tie whatever color you want around your waist, it doesn't make you more qualified than the man who taps you over and over, regardless of what he wears.
@@doom8274 As I said before, a linebacker from the NFL would destroy me if I rolled with him, should he be telling me what to do even though he never trained a day in his life and I been training for a while? An NFL linebacker would destroy a lot of purple belts actually, so should they be giving purple belts advice just because they used their superior strength?
I trained with 2 physical specimens. They were beating guys who were blue-purple belts because they were so freakishly strong, fast, and overall athletic. They were beating these guys right off the bat early on. They dominated me and they couldn't even tell you what hand grabs what when you have seat belt.
Does a 200lb man know more than a 80lb female blue belt just because he beats her on his 1st day?
You're basing everything off who can tap who. By that logic, a man who has been training 50yrs shouldn't be able to give advice since he's 110yrs old and can't roll well anymore.
While your ability to tap people is taken into account(given your size, gender, age, etc) it's not the only thing. The classes you attend. How well you absorb jiu jitsu. Can you demonstrate what you're doing. How do you fare against higher belts, same level, lower skilled. Are you still doing stupid shit a beginner does. Are you leaving frequently before everyone starts to roll. The opposite, are you waiting for drilling to end just so you can only roll.
Belts aren't everything, but they're good indicators of your knowledge. John Danaher is arguably the best jiu jitsu coach out there right now. The man has leg injuries and can barely roll. I'm sure he's getting tapped out by good purples. He's 1 of the most knowledgeable jiu jitsu guys in the world(probably the most). He can't prove it with his "results" like you say, but he can teach people who are physically ready for competitions. He trains some of the best MMA fighters and jiu jitsu guys in the world right now.
Don't base everything off competition results, not a good idea. If you're a purple belt, you can start your own academy. An NFL linebacker starting his own academy without training a day in his life would be so ridiculous. Your knowledge of BJJ is far more superior than the results in a competition.
Practice make permanent not perfection. That's why you want to lean it the right way.
This doesn’t happen that often at our gym, but when it does the higher belts or others in the situation will simply say “I hear you, but I just want to check with the coach real quick”. Simple
I've seen this in a variety of settings in terms of how you confront peoples mistakes. Definitely better to pull them aside rather than publicly shame them. Great advice!
Depends. Everyone has a different background. Is he a X state champion wrestler white belt or is he a X state champion chess club white belt? It makes a difference. But all in all, don't be that guy.
Good point
I'm the chess club champion ! I keep my mouth shut and just listen and work. LOL . If a white belt also me something , I'll usually call over a black belt to explain stuff . I'll just be the grappling dummy haha
IF he is a college wrestler , then I would listen !!! Most HS wrestlers dont know anything. A college wrestler really is a blue belt to start
Only cults don't allow exchange of ideas!
@Ironfukr 9
Anything can get you hurt.
Hey chewy, how much jiu jitsu do I need a week to grow your beard?? I'd be willing to give it a try.
9 jiu jitsu's 8 days a week
@@RickyCue damn bro. That's a lazy schedule. I was feeling 12 days a week, 35 hours a day. No sleep.
Antun Šturlić do you pay two gyms or does your gym offer that
@unknown 365
It depends. Are you a woman?
White belt here, I’ve been training for two years now and I’m starting to get to the point that when I’m drilling with new people and “teaching” the broader techniques I know. I don’t have a dedicated coach, but, I have a few friends who coach me and they’re encouraging me to help give guidance to the newer members. It does result in the professor white belt joke, but, I feel like I am respectful of the coach and his lessons.
Definitely comes down to how accurate the info the white belt is giving. Maybe they picked up some tips from Keenan online and could help to open the minds of those around them. However, it could be completely wrong and they could just be a control freak. All depends
It’s similar etiquette at work and life in general to be honest. If you know for a fact that you have similar experience and are basically at the same level you naturally can help each other out and sometimes point each other in the right direction. But if you know someone has more experience and is at a higher level just listen and ask questions. It shows respect and humility. It also shows you’re intelligent and that you want to learn. You’ll slowly gain the respect of your peers.
2:10 = Chewy's REAL message for the white belts trying to teach
One thing I've seen my school do is separate the white belts and pair them up with higher belts. This has helped me learn at a much faster rate and notice small little details that would take a long time to learn on my own.
Teaching will actually help your self too. It makes you think about techniques and how to improve
#4 Need an outlet for Anxiety, or to busy myself with something constructive instead of destructive..
I really love your videos man.
I don't do BJJ I practice Muay Thai but I feel much of what you say is applicable across every gym and every style.
Keep it up man.
I’m a white belt and There was a guy at bjj who was on his first day and didn’t really know any submission techniques, I think he wrestles a lot but he could never finish me and usually we go to submit, so I showed him how to do an armbar and I’m pretty sure everyone was ok with it because I showed him the right way to do it and I showed him the escapes, to be honest the reason I showed him the armbar is because it’s the main thing I can do with 100% confidence I’m doing right
I think it depends on what's going on, I mean if you're dealing with take down's and there's a guy on the mat for example who is an experienced wrestler or has a background in judo but not much rank in BJJ I would listen( I learnt some great stuff from someone who was a catch wrestling vet but has only recently got his blue belt in bjj and was a white belt when i first met him). But people who don't know anything and have no background i wouldnt or would check with the instructor.
Lewis Barrett according to some people it’s bad etiquette to show people things you know until you hit a magic number of times in the gym, and earn the privilege of sharing your knowledge. Lmao
Bjj at this point is becoming the same as karate, people who've never done any combat sport and have no motor skills pay $100 a month for an hour of drilling. In a couple years you are going to be calling drill instructors sensei and can only listen to them with their giant ego. Someone in wrestling/judo for 4 years knows 10xs more about take downs than a jujitsu practitioner for 6 but you cant listen to them.
That’s one of my biggest gripes with belt systems hierarchy becomes more important than skill.
We should be learning how to impose our will on resisting opponents, we shouldn’t be learning how to worship authority.
@@michaelhendricks5449 I've stopped going to gyms, I've learned enough from bjj (I've wrestled for a 6 years) and I bought mats to have anyone who wants to roll can come to my place for free and roll. If I want to learn something I watch UA-cam but I have enough people who want to roll that we can roll for 3-4 hours straight. I know some people cant do that but I find it much more educational to learn from other people and to TEACH other people. You dont truly understand something until you can teach it.
wub adub in the medical fields we do “see one, do one, teach one”
I have been watching your channel for several months now. I dont do bjj, nor do I want to. I find your being upbeat on things why I keep watching. I may have to leave soon. Just, thought I would say I like the positivity.
where I am from, it is unthinkable that somebody else than the teacher would teach. In the advanced group the participants are mostly black belts with 20-25 years experience, and yet none of us would have the audacity to show a technique to someone in front of the teacher.
We can do after the class.
Yes this happens. As a white belt I get annoyed when another white belt tries to teach me something. Especially when I know it's wrong.
How do you know though? Your just a whitebelt 😂
@@Team_Killer_NZ This right here. Not that I encourage the behavior but if I am with a total newb, a few simple pointers that helped me will come out but in the intermediate class my mouth is clammed except to ask questions.
I rolled with a white belt that had quite a few more stripes than I do (I currently have 0 lol). He was trying to help me out, but as soon as he ran into the fact that he wasn't sure how to explain the tech, he got 2 of our coaches to come and help. I feel like we both got more out of the roll and it was actually a positive experience vs bad teaching. I don't think that students teaching other students is bad, but if there's any doubt or confusion it could turn into a deeper learning experience rather than a risk. Always reach out to your coach 👌
In the bjj gym I was in, I never one time got instruction from an instructor. They said do this activity. I have no idea what that meant so I asked the instructor. He told me to go ask a colored belt. That same day. I attempted to do a specific technique and with no instruction. I looked like a fish out of water. I looked at the instructors, 2 instructors and the owner(a former UFC and ultimate fighter contestant ) all standing laughing at me and making remarks about me instead of helping. I lost it. Quit at that moment and made a lot of online reviews talking bad about them. Owner called offering a free membership that I declined. Long story but some schools just aren’t there to help anything but their bank account.
Haha I tried ju jitsu. My first day a purple belt broke my wrist.. quality experience.
@@samblack5313 shouldnt be rolling your first day, especially if the purple belt knew you were a new comer je shouldn't have gone high intensity he's basiczlly a pro at that stage and should know better
kyrie james
Thailand, Brazilian guy. I’m a BIG scary looking dude. Told him it was my first roll.. possible language barrier, dude went hard, subbed me about 5 times in 2 mins.
Threw up from exhaustion, later realised my wrist was gone.. first day of a planned 3 month training trip.
I could tape it real tight and still hit pads, but that was it for grappling on that trip. I was pissed. Had gone over with the intention of 2 a days.
@@samblack5313 yeah that sucks man, hope u get motivated to train again💪🏽
kyrie james
Listening to this guy has me pretty interested.
I'm about to start my first day of BJJ tomorrow... does any one with ANY experience have some advice for me? Lol
Make sure you tap in a way your rolling partner noticed you actualy tapped (aka dont tap softly on the mat). Be careful with other white belts , some of em can break your arm without even understanding what they are doing
DILLIGAF That’s actually very good advice. Thank you!
So how did it go 1 year later. I bet you got some advice for me now.
He dead
@@benmontgomery1478 Dude never tapped got choked to dead lol
I've faced a related situation for a while:
I'm a one-stripe blue belt and I learn the majority of my techniques from UA-cam and home study because I have a very diffficult time paying attention to the instruction in class. It's just how my learning style is and has always been--never learned from lectures in school, always from the book at home.
So in many cases if I'm with a white belt they'll start telling me what to do and sort of "babying" me. I guess they take my laid-back attitude and difficulty picking up on the teaching in class as a sign that they can coach me, lol. If it helps me, I don't mind. But it does strike me as a bit ballsy to do that to someone, especially a person with more experience.
Matt Garza have you ever pointed out something to someone better than you and seen the light bulb moment?
@@michaelhendricks5449 No. I wish. I just assume their ego wouldn't allow it.
On the flip side, I will sometimes show them a move that I'm working on and I won't say where I found it, but it's usually from a very credible source like Keenan Cornelius or Stephan kesting or Chewjitsu. And they will s*** all over the move and say why it's a bad move basically. I bet they wouldn't s*** on the move if Keenan, Stephan Kesting, or Chewjitsu were showing it to them.
Matt Garza you’ve got some real egos in your gym then. Too fascinated with the their belt, not fascinated enough with knowledge.
@@michaelhendricks5449 I was practicing a spider sweep with a multi-stripe brown belt and noticed how we kept getting caught in an X-guard, and I asked the coach and helped us both figure it out. He said it was a really good question. I wasn't "teaching" there but it does show that brown belts are still learning too and that white belts can sometimes help.
A lot of martial arts gyms have issues with know it alls.
I was teaching a Kali class at a gym and I had a student who always acted like he knew what he was doing and would produce to instruct and correct the other students. It really pissed me off.....thank God he quit.
I notice these types who are "super arrogant ignoramuses" usually quit first lol
Ya because maybe they feel how annoyed their instructor is and they realized nobody likes them. People paid the instructor for training, not the other student who keeps acting like an ass.
The types who say "Yeah yeah I got it ok yeah I know" when you are teaching them a concept. And then also correct the instructor as well and say "No thats not what you said. You said like this."
@@MaharlikaAWA , I been in martial arts for several years and see plenty of idiots. Most idiots quit
MaharlikaAWA I’ve seen this at boxing gyms
@@darkknight901 , Boxing gyms attract the biggest thugs !!! You have to be most careful in those gyms then BJJ
Yeah, this is something I'm so conscious of not being *that* person. Even if I see someone doing something incorrect, it's not my place to say anything. I'll let the coach see it & he will correct it.
This is 💯 true lol There was a guy at my old gym who did this. Dude never even rolled he was a boxer! Didn’t even have a white belt, but constantly felt the need to try and coach guys when they rolled. Everyone ignored him, which just made it worse. We had kids that came in on Thursday evenings and he’d do it with him too and then all the sudden you notice these kids incorporating these techniques he’d tell them and they absolutely never worked and it’s a lot harder to go back and teach them the proper way and have them completely forget the nonsense he told them. Eventually he was banned from the mats lol I’m not sure what it is about people like him who do that and truthfully believe they know what they’re talking about.
I’ve been training for about 5 years now, and there are some things I do relatively well. Occasionally I’m asked about one of these things, by someone who has trained for about a year or so.
Now, I’m an experienced teacher of things, I’m familiar with learning styles, posing the problem to be solved in multiple ways, and being patient and encouraging.
I also enjoy teaching people, about anything I know about.
However with bjj, I tend to say “well, I do this, not sure if it’s correct, but I know if I do XYZ differently, this bad thing can happen. If you want more info on this, go to that person (points to the coach or one of the higher belts who probably taught me the technique)”
That’s my compromise between not wanting to be coaching in someone else’s gym, and wanting my training partners to learn what I have learnt. 🤷🏻♂️
It's a fine line to walk. Having a policy is difficult because there are so many variables that come into play for a given situation that determine whether it's a problem. As such, it's hard to develop reasonable criteria that will cover all circumstances.
Personally, even now as a brown belt, I often say why don't you ask coach to come watch you if my partner asks me a question. Sometimes it's just pragmatic, like when I simply can't see how they're gripping because they're behind me. Other times, it's not a position I play or am very familiar with so I don't have a good enough understanding to coach others on it.
This is a tough topic for me.. I am only a 1 stripe and I have to train with a lot of the newer guys that come into the gym. I coach these guys non stop because if I didn't we wouldn't get any reps in because they don't know what to do. I don't teach them the wrong stuff though, just what we are drilling that day. My gym seems to really appreciate that and considers me a great team mate. Maybe this is a different scenario
Goodnight in the netherlands overhere its 12:15 am and i have 8:45 min till next bjj class see yah
It’s hilarious cause this happened during my training today. I don’t train BJJ but I love your videos. I train Muay Thai and a guy only 2 or 3 classes in was trying to teach a day 1 guy. Completely wrong Muay Thai techniques. I was cringing on the other side of the gym hoping someone more experienced then me in the gym would notice. I’ll probably mention it to someone next class. You can seriously frustrate and also hurt someone by teaching wrong techniques. In any sport or martial art form.
Lol! Yup. Ive had that scenario happen. I try to be as polite as possible and try to show them the correct way after they demonstrate it to me. Sometimes I'll ask the instructor to help as if its me that needs it.... sometimes depending on how receptive the other person is.
I had a white belt say “can i give a tip” during a seminar 😂😭🤣
At a seminar? Damn, the balls on that guy lol
😂😂😂😂😂
There is a video here on yt called "bjj bb vs jjj black belt" where there are people in the comments saying that the bjj bb is not good enough, and that they would submit the traditional jj bb much faster than he did.
At the seminar??!! What a clown. I love to witness that 🤣🤣😊
Our fundamentals classes usually have blues to blacks because that might be the only class they can make that day or they want to do a later class or whatever. Instructor always pairs up higher belts with lower belts for drilling. And of course sometimes there's whites with whites but usually the higher belts look around them and help if someone nearby isn't getting the technique. Often a brown or black belt that happens to be in class will skip drilling and act as another coach then come back in for sparring. I think it works. Thanks for the video!
I love how he said that beginners will follow they behaviour they see, in my muay thai gym every one always bowed to me after sparring inspire of being 20x better than me so now i now after sparring too
Definitely agree, the white belt coach can be annoying. That being said, my class has one instructor for around 30 people, so he can’t watch every pair individually. So I usually have to learn the bulk of what is happening from either more experienced white belts or higher belts and the coach can help fix the details.
In my gym a few months back there was this one guy brand new, says he took "MMA" for a few years and quit for a while and came back, well my teachers are a purple and brown belt, and on Saturdays a blue belt. Well even when the purple and brown belts are showing techniques he tries to even correct them. They don't get frustrated they just tell him why his way doesn't work. So I guess he's been doing the technique all wrong this entire time. Well, he comes now and keeps his mouth quiet other than to pick around and stuff like a normal student, so I guess he got humbled by the knowledge or they took him to the side without us knowing. Either which way I'm so glad because it was very annoying to deal with. So I can relate to this video 110%. Great video as usual brother. OSS.
I am a white belt but I wrestled for 3 years and in no gi I’ll try to help people with wrestling techniques
I'm still a white belt, about a 1 year 2 mo training, but I feel pretty confident about some of the knowledge I have. I certainly wouldn't presume to teach anyone more experienced than me, but sometimes rolling with greener white belts I can clearly see a mistake they are making. And it's not just an intellectual mistake, it's a mistake I exploit in order to beat them, to sweep, pass, or submit them. I really enjoy teaching in these situations. After I've done it, a lot of times I'll see higher belts or the coach of my gym nod or confirm what I was saying. My coach even picks me to roll against new people. I get why a white belt shouldn't be a coach, but also I only do this when, like I said, I'm very confident I'm right and I've actually used what I'm telling them.
White belt chime in here. Last night my partner wasn't getting grips on the leg and I knew he should be because it was just shown to us. I told him twice to make sure he gets grips on the leg and he wasn't doing it. So I just stopped and kept doing my technique and finally the instructor came over and told him to get grips on the leg. Knowing your boundaries and your place is important even if you are right.
lol he just flicked us off. Awesome. Love this channel.
Always be open to everyone's advice. But, know how to filter out the bullshit from the good advice.
I am a white belt, and i help new white belts all the time. Our gym partners the new whites with more seasoned guys when working technique. I only help with the "move of the day" while working on it. But of coach is also gives input to everyone, so he will correct anything wrong.
Best way I find when a white belt asks you for help is to say "if you want to learn the white belt way I can show you, or else ask the higher belts for the correct technique"
As a new white belt practicing ippon seoi nage I got this from a blue belt bjj guy. When he was moaning at me for deciding to do it off the lapel grip and not the sleeve. I also kept removing his left arm from my jacket so I could easily turn in. and he was saying that's not realistic as he would have his grips. This is all before I'd even turned in once. I explained to him the lapel allows me to have a left handed grip which puts people off and allows me strong control of the body. And as for the other hand I'm confident I could keep that off... He looked at me confused, I then proceeded to turn in nice and quickly like I had done for the past 16 year at my judo club :D.
Even the higher belts can be guilty of assuming they know more than they do and assuming white belts know nothing. This is an extreme case though. Normally I listen to almost any bjj player when it comes to the ground game as mine sucks compared to standing, but don't moan about a black belt judo players fav throw before he's even demonstrated it haha.
I'm a white belt with 3 stripes and I catch myself doing this now and then, and quickly remind my partner that I'm really only trying to put into words what seems to work against me - like if we're working on a choke I'll help them made adjustments so I feel like I'm being submitted more efficiently. If the adjustments aren't obvious we usually just raise our hand and ask the instructor for some perspective. I think one thing that helps is in our gym it is extremely rare for a lower rank to submit a higher rank, so I feel like for me when I role with blue/purple belts regularly and my technique clearly isn't up to par to submit them, it keeps me grounded. I think if I was only ever rolling with 1-2 stripe white belts I might have a false sense of reality in regards to where I am with my jiu jitsu.
I think this is a universal problem! Coming from a chess background, I often see people in forums giving advice when they themselves are beginners. I think its just a desire to be an expert at the craft that is expressing itself in trying to grab that position.
I'm guilty of kinda doing this as a beginner. I was drilling with an absolute beginner who was totally off with his mechanics, so I attempted to correct him, only to find out later that my "correction" wasn't much better or technically sound. I'm still a beginner, but I now know the exasperation when someone tries to do it because people with less training than me do it to me now.
I never say a word unless I'm asked. I get so in thought trying different set ups for set ups. "If that makes sense" even if I'm constantly tapping certain guys/girls I never say a word. Growth comes from humbling yourself and asking, "hey man, everytime we roll you do the classic set up for slice to loop hole grip, but end up tapping me from an armbar. Can you help me with that?" In that moment that person jumps levels. The flow of skills to be better will always be there.
These videos make me want to learn BJJ not just for the exersize or the fun of it, but to learn the leadership skills that you have.
That’s happened to me during my horseback riding lessons and drives me absolutely nuts
Ha! I got scared when I saw the title of the video, because I'm always helping newer white belts make small corrections and adjustments. Even if my training partner is a higher belt and we're drilling a new technique, I'll tell him if he's doing something different than what we've just been shown. I'm glad to find out that you're talking about something completely different.
@SBF Nope. Listen @3:30 again.
I can see it from both sides. I'm white &2, it's a lot easier for our instructor with a brand new person if people like us teach things like guard pass cycle and what the positions are. At the same time, I still routinely attack the wrong side when someone is on my back because I learnt it wrong and it's now so I ingrained.
I just keep my mouth shut except to ask questions.
Yep thats what I did i just made my own technique so people wouldn't ask me questions cause I created my own
@@MustardGamings lol alright Steven Seagal
I’m a white belt. Even if we’re drilling and my partner asks me what to do, no matter if I actually know, I just ask the instructor. As soon as I think I know, I’ll screw it up and someone else too. When in doubt, ask Chewy.
That's exactly what you should do, and not only in Jiu-jitsu but in life.
Hi from France, inspiring content you made me will to become a white belt
I'm a really experienced white belt and I try to help my fellow students as much as I can, but I'm also very honest about how much I do or dont know what I'm talking about
Ive been yelled at for coaching when i wasnt really coaching that much. We did a drill where the person tried to posture up in guard while the other tried to break posture/sweep. Problem was my partner knew nothing. He would grab low on my lapel and just pull. I was never in any position of danger. I tried to tell him if hes gonna use the lapel try to get higher up around the neck and got yelled at. Ended with me wasting a ton of time not even having to defend myself.
My gym is a relatively young gym. We have a couple blue belts and only one or two with stripes. Our professor is Top Notch five stripes from Brazil but he only moved here 3 years ago. I'm a 2 stripe white belt it's good at it for about a year some days in class I'm the second or third most experienced and some days I am number 7 or 8. When we roll after class only three or four people usually stay for open mat. Sometimes I get somebody who is experienced and provides a good competition and sometimes I get new people who are fresh out of the box. What can I do to improve my game when I don't have a lot of competition or variety? I love the professor and the people that don't want to change gyms, the instruction is amazing. Please make this a bob question. Thanks so much for your awesome videos. You really are my UA-cam coach with your philosophy and insights.
I'm more on the physical side of Jiu Jitsu, so occasionally a white belt or blue will correct me or even show me what to do. I never feel offended ever, I always learn from them, and best thing to do is accept ur mistakes, learn from them and do better. And if u want no one to tell u anything, my advice is to perfect yourself, pretty tough to do, but not impossible lol. I don't think Whites and Blues should ever teach a class ever. Purple Belts and higher are certified to teach anyways, so if ur a white or blue, don't teach, correct if u know something's wrong. Purples and higher, let ur students or lower rank mat class mates correct u, especially if u know they're right. It's ok, don't ever let ur ego get the best of u.
This lad is on the ball!
Praise in public; correct in private. Good shit Chewy.
Great subject brother. Is it the same what i sometimes do? Iam a white belt who listens very carefully because i hate it to learn it the wrong way. And if i notice that a student is doing some move wrong i help by showing what they do wrong but only if iam 100% sure. Else i call my coach to show that detail. Is that wrong and should i mind my own business or do you think its good to help?
Tough for us external processors, but now I know why everyone hates me. Thanks!
It depends I guess like I’m a 4 stripe white belt and a lot of the newer white belts ask me how to do techniques and like to drill with me in particular after a certain weekly afternoon classy I keep an eye on this one guy whose been at it a few months and I give him techniques for positions I see him end up in example
The last class just there we were doing half guard specifics king of the mat style and he didn’t really have any half guard sweeps he jut kept going to full guard so at the end of class I showed him the basic half guard sweep
I try not to get ahead of myself if someone asks me how to do something and I don’t know how or am not very good at it I’ll just call over one of the better blue belts
I think that’s an important distinction teach when asked and if you know it 💁♂️🥋
Sorry for the long comment 😅
I don't see anything wrong with that, especially if it is experimentation -- usually if a higher belt is around, you can try out some positional rolling then ask and they will help., I've also found that, like music or language, sometimes people just "know" how to do something (higher belts) but admit they really can't explain it. My biggest beef is not necessarily the "know it all" but the guy acts like he taught you something because he got you in a bad position---that he subsequently held onto for the remaining 4 minutes of the roll--then acts like he tapped you.
Well said Chewy! As always I enjoy your videos. OSS
I try to be humble with my "oddities" as a white belt such as my flat, but on my toes side control (easily rolled if my knees touch the mat) and the no gi baseball choke i found from it (taps blue belts, scares browns). It can be frustrating to almost always be wrong on every detail and I think that is where this very common behavior comes from.
Wow! Solid advice man! Thank you!
I started with a buddy and we kind of coach each other when we run new drills. I would never try that with anyone who’s been there longer than me unless I noticed what they were doing might hurt them, which would probably never happen anyway.
I've been lucky, in my gym there aren't usually any white belt teachers, though if people of any level are behaving trouble with a technique, they'll usually ask someone nearby to watch to see what they're doing different from the coach if the coach isn't available, usually either one of the more experienced belts or someone they can see doing it right.
My teacher asked me to help this kid (teach him) right before me and the kid were to roll, and he got frustrated that the teacher said that since we were both white belts (I was just way better than him lol). He said “I don’t think you can teach me anything” and I just laughed and stayed humble. Then he tried to show me a move (probably to stroke his ego), but he showed it wrong and I ended up showing him the correct way lol. Some people wanna teach cuz it makes them feel advanced and elite
I'm so this guy, just get so excited about it. I think part of it is because I learn better by teaching. Still hate that I do it.
Nalyk Eluza in the medical field you “see one, do one, teach one”: if it works for Nurses, Doctors, and EMTs maybe it works in other contexts?
At my school, people are discouraged to talk alot after each rep or drill, especially in the begginer class.
Reason is,
1. One extra reps over the long run contributes more than talking about it and not getting the reps.
2. Most begginers don`t know what they are talking about anyways so its more efficient to just do reps.
Holy shit Chewy, that's some gnarly arthritis in those knuckles @2:03
If you're rolling with someone less experienced than you and they look a bit lost during a move, there's nothing wrong with politely offering suggestions. Especially if you preface it with "I'm a newbie too so check with the pros"
This just happened to me today - hence I stumbled upon the video. I’m a blue belt and was paired with a white belt for a technique I hadn’t seen before, but the white belt was at prior classes where it was covered. He showed me how to do the move, which was fine … but then he proceeded to try to coach me for follow on techniques, to include a pretty basic thing he got wrong. I try to be humble and thought maybe this was something else I missed during the time I was away, so I went with it even though I thought it felt weird upon execution. I even said, are you sure this is right? He was sure! Well 2 min later, the instructor walks by as I’m doing it wrong and says - hey not that way - and corrects me back to what I had said all along. Needless to say, it was annoying. Oh - and so was when the white belt progressed beyond the drill so he could advance and tap me with am arm bar. It was a bit ridiculous. Unfortunately I didn’t get to spar with him that day …
This is a good guide for teaching in general. Teacher feeds knowledge to someone who lacks it, those people feed the knowledge to others. If the teacher taught wrong, you have a large group of people are giving wrong information. Pyramid scheme of ignorance in a way. Great content, great delivery.
I've been wrestling for 7 years and have done jiujutsu for about a year and I'm still a white belt. If we're going over a takedown I'll help them out since my instructor knows thats right up my alley but when it comes to a gi submission or something i usually don't do like a kimura, I let them teach it because I know that I'm in over my head if I act like i know it.
There is a legendary story about my professor (who is Brazilian and super old school). One of the blue belts at the class was attempting to teach a white belt a technique during drilling. My professor stopped addressed the class and said, “you know what- John is teaching Jiu Jitsu today,” and left the academy for that class. There were some pretty pissed of upper belts that had some words with John, but it never happened again.
I’m a 3 stripe white belt. When coach shows us moves. i usually remember them well and i do it with my buddy who’s a blue belt. i never go out my way to teach somebody during bjj.