This while tape is mysterious... When someone holds a grudge on me i dont invite him to my place, or did zero? He even mentioned, in the end! How he had find this place.
Maybe he's making noise so the agents can find him? I remember that no one there knew what they were protecting or keeping, they probably only knew that a little girl (Paz) goes there from time to time.
La Las He’s also literally the phantom pain of the entire series. He put Zero in a coma. Repercussions felt in the future but not seen or spoken about.
When Zero says "Jack" at the end, I can only imagine him regretting everything he ever did against Snake. This is why he goes on to protect him from Skull Face with everything he's got.
Funny how Skull Face ruined Zero by giving him a fake pin that was near identical to the original memento he sought. In turn Zero indirectly ruined Skull Face by setting up a memetic copy of Big Boss to help deal with the threat his former XO posed. Near identical to the original, apart from a missing limb and some added shrapnel.
Indeed. It shows that even “he who controls information” can be fooled, fooled by form over substance. Skull Face wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine.
I think it was a little earlier than that Iago. Like at the beginning Skully has a sycophantic kiss-ass tone but when Zero turns his plan down skully's tone changed to angrily saying his face can't be brought back.
Holy Shit! The voice acting and dialogue exchange in the tapes are absolutely God-tier! Metal gear has always consistently had great voice acting but in Phantom Pain it's really exceptionally!
When Zero mentioned "context" all I could think of was GW AI Colonel and Rose in MGS2 when they were talking about "creating context" for the future. Filtering out information and deciding what will be thrown away and what will be kept. Holy crap. O.o
That's why Zero mentions "Electronic network". He's referring to the Patriots AI that will emerge later on. Kaz also references this at the end of PW when he defines Cipher as a world governed by digital intelligence.
@@narek323 Paz also talks about how "Ciphers going to CONTROL guns" at the end of PW referencing SOP. Zero had these ideas and plans in the works LONG LONG before we see them come to fruition in 2 and 4. the AI spiraled out of control though and created the War Economy which wasn't part of his plans tho.
6:07 I will always love the level of detail of this recording. The way we hear Zero reclining forward on his chair at that moment makes us realize that he was actually concerned and put out of place about what Skull face just said... it sums emphasis on the turn the conversation took suddenly
I like this better than the other videos where the cassette is played while in the helicopter. The lack of rotor noises from the heli lets you hear the fine details more clearly (the pin opening, the tea being poured, etc), not to mention the iDroid is not interrupting the dialogue to tell me that its going to be cloudy lol. Well done sir, standards indeed!
+Caedarva yeah I felt the same way, I had to do some tricks to get this recorded and everything, but I couldnt find any raw rips of the tapes and I wanted the raw recordings
The basic workflow is: -put all intel people into another group, eg medical bay, since they get released automatically later. this prevents lots of onscreen notices and sounds - go to a place thats dark and quiet to play the tape, I chose some caves - make sure all soldiers in the areas are absolutely cleaned out - now basically play the tape and record. because something always goes wrong, and weather warnings cannot be stopped, you usually have to do 2 or 3 recordings and cut it together. you may wanna position the camera so that snake disappears. rest is video effects to adjust the levels and make only white show up, which are the subtitles I may do skull face and code talker, but I dont think there are many more that warrant this treatment
this isnt a scene, its just dialogue, it would of been badass to have those 40 minute scenes but non hardcore metal gear fans fucked it up for all of us.
I guess that works when you think about it. These tapes allow you to imagine the things happening in it. Sometimes, picturing how these events are going down is better than seeing it. Plus, this allows the tape to be more important in the story of MGSV
@@journey95far49 That's bollocks, mate. What you're talking about is exposition, not story. Nothing is gained by seeing characters explain everything in dense, overlong detail.
@@vicwaters87 I wouldn't say these tapes are purely exposition as they flesh out important series plot points that were left dangling after the game's final cutscene. To say "nothing is gained by seeing characters explain everything in dense, overlong detail" is lame rationalization in defense of what's clearly a rushed and unfinished product. Not to mention, that statement sounds very ironic coming from someone who I'm assuming is a Metal Gear fan. Cutscenes in the previous entries were known for being long-winded but they added a groundbreaking cinematic quality that the series became acclaimed for. They packed everything you needed to know within the actual campaign, not unlockable post-game collectibles. Generally speaking it's by far more engaging if you've got compelling visuals to complement the dialogue and voice actors as opposed to just listening. I don't have an issue with games using these types of audio logs to flesh out the narrative. BioShock is an example of it being done right because they give you little bits and pieces of information at a time. In Phantom Pain, instead of 40 minute long Kojima-directed cutscenes that are uniquely shot and edited.... we get several 10 minute long cassette recordings after finishing the game that clumsily tie up the (many) loose ends. It's a half-assed effort on their part, just like the game in general after you beat Act 1.
ok, so basically, if Skull Face would've have never fucked up the Major and left him like a veggie, the AIs from MGS2 and 4 would've never been derailed from their original task and turned into War addicts? huh, interesting. so Zero wasnt THAT evil when you think about it. he still was robbing the whole humanity of their free will, though.
If Snake had said the code phrase to Ocelot in MGS3, he never would have lost his eye, Volgin would have been killed for good, Eva would have been found out, and the Boss probably would have survived. "Who are the patriots" and he just never says it to Ocelot.
Spark of the beginning is what he is. Evil? Fuck no. Cause and main player for shit storm? Unfortunately yes. Which makes story even greater, for even men with greatest intentions can fall to their own lies when they accidentally make them their own reality.
@The Law Maybe everything once did build up to a MGS6, a logical explanation is that Zero actually uploaded himself to the AIs as soon as the supertech became possible; Naked unplugging his oxygen turned him loose onto even more networks.
I wouldn't necessarily call them psychopaths. They are merely misguided. They don't enjoy harming others for the sake of it. They believe that they are doing the right thing that will benefit the world, but they're willing to achieve anything to reach that goal, even if it's unethical.
8:20 Now that I'm hearing these tapes again it sounds like at some point Skullface actually met The Boss and was inspired by her in his own way: "The Boss said the same thing... Only I understood what she meant". What a waste of a perfectly good villain. Scenes like these should've been part of the main campaign and not be unlocked as extra tapes post-ending. The Phantom Pain lives up to its title after four years.
Skullface was always behind snake as his shadow, always making sure snake didnt do anything wrong in both the virtuous mission and operation snake eater, so he knows pretty much all of the boss' aspirations, and in my opinion, better than zero did.
He stated that it was not, but Kojima caught a lot of flack for leaving the game “unfinished”. But after a few years now, I’m pretty convinced it was all intentional. It really drives home the over-arching theme of the game and it’s very namesake. I appreciate this game more today than 2015 when it came out.
Skull Face - I just sent you a package Zero, i hope you like it. Zero - Thank you XOF commander. Zero - Ouch! This hurt! Oh no.. i'm infected.. how did you find me? Paz? Skull Face - I just sent you a package.... -________-
+AutomaticSnake could also be that Zero trusted that everything sent to him is checked before given to him, but since the pin had parasites, Zero realized Skull Face must have sent some to give the pin - without it being checked. Make any sense? :)
Zero all like “how did you find me”? Well technically the pin was sent as a gift to YOU so of course YOU would know that Skull face could find your location
everyone in this comments section ignoring the insane lengths skullface would have had to go to make an exactly perfect replica of the pin badge, exclusively to fuck with Zero after he started succumbing to the effects of the parasite. HE EVEN HAD SOMEONE RUB THEIR FINGER ON THE INSCRIPTION UNTIL IT LOOKED JUST RIGHT
@@teslashark Skullface says the pin he gave to Zero is a fake, and they he is holding the real pin, there is a little audio sound effect that implies Skullface was holding the Pin.
Man for a guy in a secret room on a secret floor of a windowless apartment with every tenant a cipher agent, they sure needed better people. Alarm was ringing for almost 3 minutes until somebody came. (Presumably longer if the audio fading out and back indicates passage of time.)
you gotta remember his security had to be carefully handpicked. Agents could span from chefs, customers, waitresses, hosts, homeless people, janitors. Anyone who’s awaiting the order to reach out to zero sticks to their “duty” until he calls for them. Sometimes it’ll take more than a few minutes
Both great voice actors. Zero seems so jaded but deep down he's still the same softie we remember (albeit having done unforgivable mistakes) and Skullface is just plain scary. Going from sycophantic to guiding Zero to prick himself, to taunting and talking over Zero. Skullface was not just happy with causing physical pain and just had to add that last jab of denying Zero of his little trinket. One's final moments reveals one's true nature and the last thing Zero thought about was his regret for his rivalry with Big Boss and for what's to come. Skullface puts even Ocelot to shame...
See Zero's biggest mistake was not seeing the red flag that was he "received" the pin from Skull Face. To understand you have to remember that Zero went unbelievable lengths to stay out of the public eye by any means necessary meaning that virtually no one knew where to find him unless he wanted to be found. So, when he was delivered a gift from his XO who had no way to find him, he should've put together that he was in danger. And Zero only realized this after he fell for Skull Faces trap.
It’s almost hard to tell wich one is the bad guys is. I used to think Zero was the real villain back in MGS4. And all Zero was want was just trying reconciliation with Big Boss after the Peace Walker incident. Then Skull face step in with his own way to fulfilling The Boss’s Will. And yet I still think Skull Face isn’t a bad guy either. He same as Zero and Big Boss trying to accomplish The Boss’s will
+Ahmed Mehdi In the beginning I thought the pin badge was of the Sorrow, due to timing and location, this isnt true. Which has nothing to do with the line we are talking about here though. "You are no different...Just like HIM. None of you understand the world she saw" - Zero is talking about Big Boss, as he also was puzzled by the Boss throughout Peace Walker too, Strangelove as well. Zero claims to understand her better. Which is a big retcon from MGS3 of course, but... ye.
How is Zero claiming to understand her better a retcon? It's not. Zero always canonically shared time with The Boss in WW2. He did however spend nowhere the time with her Big Boss did which just shows his arrogance in claiming he knows her will better than him - to be fair he's not entirely wrong, Big Boss didn't get her will either and only realised it in 2014
That doesn't mean the perspective from MGSV is a retcon. He wasn't incredibly familiar with the Boss in MGS3, sure, but I think the Boss' speech at the end of 3 is meant to have made him incredibly respectful of her vision; it certainly seems to have affected all involved massively. Given Big Boss learns that the Boss' defection and death was concocted by Hot Coldman, I have to imagine Zero quickly cast aside any possible contempt he may have had for her when learning the same. Skull Face also suggests that Cipher is revenge against America for her death... So it also seems especially likely that Zero concocted Peace Walker's employment of Paz and Zadornov not only to manipulate Big Boss, but to wipe out Coldman, too.
Sean "PlayStationFan" Goldtrade its the theme of tpp. Revenge is a good motivation untill you exact it, then you'll feel lost and unsatisfied. just like miller after skull face died. He said the pain keeps on going, and he began suspecting diamond dogs members of duplicity, etc etc. but the storu got cut short so the situation resolves prematurely
No, that's Big Boss as per the end of Metal Gear 2. He quite openly tells Snake about how he wants to perpetuate the cycle of war and wants to use child soldiers to do it.
For Paz, yeah he kept that secret, I don't remember if he had a reason but yes, But, Big Boss knew about the "Les Enfants Terribles" project, nothing about betraying the boss No context about the third tape, isn't that Zero and Skullface ? Idk can't tell anything about that dude The last one is nothing about betrayal too
I like how Zero had all the technology in the world, could create super human cyborg ninjas, an impenetrable fortress that serves as the U.S military network, how he could create nano machines and make dudes go inmortal and even so far as to imbue spirits of dead people into someone else like MGS4 with screaming mantis. YET he could not save himself from some pathetic parasite? lmao... Even so Zero is literally the responsible for everything happening after MGS3 and when the Patriot A.I, J.D came into control, basically the world was his.
Its only 1975-1976 years,his power is not so huge at this moment and i think its not so difficult to infect him with parasites. Furthermore he didnt even realise the XOF opportunity to betray him
Parasites are no joke. Even today with how far we've progressed with technology and the medical field, parasites are still a major threat to humans and can lead to severe complications, even death in alot of cases.
@@Jakewd12 venom snake was still forced to operate under big boss, which is why mgsv heavily emphasizes that he becomes a demon. It's not because of who he is, its because of the person he inherited. Big boss forced him to be a terrorist who helped outer heaven be built, despite us seeing him save the world and even stop child soldiers from being recruited, even being against the idea of revenge, while big boss uses revenge as the only thing to power his anger against zero
I love the deception some Machiavellian games here out foxing the master, even when skull face says “I have no regrets” and (zero doesn’t interpret the will and can’t tell a memento for a friend from a ringer) and when zero says Skull face would steal it all “she said the same thing except I understand what she meant” skull face isn’t wrong about zero he had completely lost sight and pasted his view over hers skull face was a great villain just too many cuts to this game a lot hidden in tapes
I have a much greater appreciation for this title in the series, today. It’s only been 7 years but so many important subjects are being discussed here between Skull Face and Zero. Subjects relevant to even our social and political atmosphere in America. And in hindsight, Kojima did an excellent job tying everything together. Notice Zero mentioned both Genetics (MGS1) and Information Control (MGS2). And it’s all based on his obsession to honor the Boss; her will (MGS3). To add onto that, it’s ironic to simply realize that both of these guys are completely convinced they are the leading authority on what the Boss wanted for the world. But just end up perverting it and becoming control freaks. Meanwhile, Big Boss still doesn’t even fully understand what she wanted. He doesn’t even come to a revelation on the matter until his death knell in MGS4. More than anything, he just loved her and misses her. And I think that last gasp for “Jack” by Zero here, really testifies to who Big Boss was in this whole story: the real legacy of the Boss. The rightful interpreter of her will.
@@davidanspach1624 I’ve been coming back to a lot of these clips in my downtime lately. It also makes me appreciate why Kojima was so dead-set on using motion capture (as well as passing on David Hayter for Keifer Sutherland) for the acting. There’s a gravity to the way the storytelling unfolds in MGS5. Using Revenge as the theme. And then The Phantom Pain title whilst literally leaving the game feeling open-ended. I am now convinced Kojima was not lying when he said the game was completed and not unfinished. Regardless of what happened with Konami. We forget the guy gets off on pulling fast ones.
Big Boss understood what she wanted after the peace walker but he felt betrayed Boss wanted peace a world that would not need soldier, being a soldier Big Boss believed that she betrayed their true calling, and her dream eventually would leave the world without soldier in other words Jack would have no place in it. At least this is way I understood.
Interesting that Skull Face is still on somewhat friendly terms with Zero despite this phone call taking place after MSF's downfall. Zero claims to be Big Boss' friend, but still keeps Skull Face around. Granted, Skull Face was exiled to Africa, but you'd think Zero would want to avenge Snake in some way.
Several things here. For one, that's the fuckin predecessor to the FOXDIE sound. So we know the beginning of that. Of course of Course, Naomi Hunter, the fuckin Liar. FOXDIE wasn't a Virus... ... it was a parasite. For two, that Pin actually is important historically, because that's the British SAS pin. The Winged Dagger, with the phrase "Who Dares, Wins". Remember that the Boss was the Mother of Special Forces. Which means she had that pin immortalized for what must've been a very dear friend. Seems the Boss got very attached to individuals, a complete contradiction to what she talked about to Snake early in the Virtuous Mission. For three, Zero recites near word per word what the PATRIOT AIs recite. Truely, his remains, a digital gravestone. Not even that, but if we take Strangelove's speech, he seems to have made the AI to the point of attaching the Peace Walker AI to it as well. Though how this was accomplished and what it resulted in remains in a mystery... Perhaps some eggs are better left unhatched.
Running a mercenary/private military organisation. Prior to Big Boss waking up, Kaz was already running around keeping their funds going prior to setting up Diamond Dogs.. Which was set up with Zero's help, after what Skull Face did.
Could you please do one for Skull Face and Code Talker? It's perhaps my most favorite of Skull Face's tapes that it irritates me how in the actual game, Skull Face is, well...
It's interesting how Skullface understood The Boss' will better than Zero; her will was to leave the world as it is, something that Zero, through Cipher, utterly failed to understand. Skullface might be taking a hands-on approach, but he ultimately seeks for the world to be left alone from the imperialism of English as a lingua franca. Obviously The Boss probably wouldn't approve of his actions, but he understood her far more than Zero did in his quest to unify the world.
8:08 - Well, unfortunately, Zero's not entirely wrong. Both he and Big Boss interpreted the Boss' will incorrectly. Of the three of them, Skull Face knew what she wanted, but had no intention of making it reality.
This. His predecessor refers to The Philosophers - he stole their money and created an organisation that would replace them and unite the world. This is what The Boss claimed she wanted to do, to unite The Philosophers. The only problem is circ 1964 there are no remnants of the wise men's committee left just warmongering assholes so Zero presumably decided they couldn't be saved and created Cipher to replace them
something I didn't get when they found out the cure for the parasite how come ocelot didn't try to cure zero it implied he was aware of his condition was zero at the point where he was uncurrable
A month late, but this takes place some years before the events of MGSV and some years before the Wolbachia solution came about. Zero said time was running out, so chances are, by the time they found the cure, Zero was too far gone.
So….if zero wasnt the one who attacked msf, and Skullface said he doesn’t hate the big boss, which part of Cypher was it that attacked the base 9 years ago?
you mean besides weaponizing information / becoming the (worlds) information dictator, trying to get a super-soldier clone army, sanctioning genetic (and maybe parasitic) killswitches / cleansers? Not saying big boss has a clean sheet but zero sure as heck doesn't either.
Ok maybe that, but the fall of Motherbase was on skull face, not zero. Zero was the one who hid Big Boss away from Skull Face in Cyprus in the first place. After Skull Face infected Zero with the parasite he became brain dead.
XxVoiceofSurvivalxX You do realize Zero caused all of this by even sending Paz to MSF in the first place to threaten, coerce and imprison Snake? Zero has caused all of this from the very beginning. The only reason he kept Snake alive was because of guilt and the fact he still desired for Big Boss to be his ally, an ally he could control like a puppet.
Awesome! Thanks for this clean recording. I know it might be a big project, but would it be possible to upload the rest of the MGSV tapes with a "clean" audio quality?
Zero was infected Skull face's own version of the vocal cord parasite when he pricked his finger with the pin and would reduce his cognitive function over time
The out of universe explanation is obvious, but in universe... Chances are he had no idea he existed or didn't care enough to do so; Big Boss never meets him face to face after all.
I don't understand... Why did zero ask skull face "how did you find me?". I mean he delivered the fake pin badge to zero (im assuming through proxies)can someone explain pls
Skull Face: -Shows up in the last game of the series out of nowhere -Outsmarts Big Boss and easily destroys MSF -Essentially kills Zero -Refuses to elaborate -Dies and gets erased from history biggest chad in all the games tbh
Skullface is venom snake, cipher destroyed MSF not XOF, XOF/FOX/Diamond dogs are one, you can find diamond dogs crates in OKB zero base and Skullface's pilot pequad has diamond dogs helmet too.
I mean, I'm all for people having fan theories and having fun with it. But they are taking this shit, WAAAAAYYYYYYYY to seriously for their own good. I mean kojima has been doing nothing but Metal Gear for over 20 years now and now finally when he's out from KoNAZI headquaters, he can finally do his own thing, yet people want him to produce MORE of Metal Gear. Jesus Christ, give the guy a break and let him do something new for christ sakes. I know koijima said he's going to be doing video games intill the day he dies, but I'm sure he doesn't want too do Metal Gear intill the day he dies.
@@rionsteiner2397 Correct, now imagine with the new A.I that's been going around any hardcore fan can bring to life all codec calls of all games to real image. Imagine that.
Not likely. Zero suggests both he and whoever the recipient of the pin was were working under the Boss in Egypt when the man passed. The Boss killed the Sorrow at the behest of the Philosophers in Tselinoyarsk. But the man's death most likely contributed to the Boss' perspective as per MGS3.
Wow so I thought chapter three or whatever got cut would be Big Boss finally going after Cipher, when in fact he just dies right here holy shit what???? That's really weird. Good to know, but kinda disatisfying. Like we are robbed of our revenge.
I think it's meant to be dissatisfying, but.. Really tying with the themes of the game. Like Skull Face intended to destroy an incredibly prominent means of communication using the parasites, but the real issue is the lack of communication between Big Boss and Zero. If the two had mended their bond when Big Boss woke up? Everything would have been different. But.. Yeah. This basically turns Zero into the pitiful vegetable we see in MGS4, which.. Sure, he did bad things, but I didn't really want revenge, knowing the way he turned out.
Nemesis Zero dies in 2016 after MGS4 the parasite attack degraded his health over several years till he was rendered in a vegetative state up till when big boss shuts off his life support in the cemetery
@The Law not really. Its stated to be a slow degradation. 15 years between zanzibarland and skullface's 'assassination'. Cancer and HIV have gradually degraded people over longer periods of time. It's not a huge jump to assume that he can have mental and physical capacity 15 years later but not 32 years later.
@The Law not that I dont agree it was an unnecessary retcon (pretty much everything in MGS is a retcon) it still fits in ok. It's heavily implied that Zero was 'gone' by 2005.
Cirac1 let’s face it, after mgs3 it’s clear Kojima reaaaaally didn’t wanna keep going with metal gear due to creative fatigue/burnout, once mgs4 happened, and he basically had to direct it, you can tell he got way sloppier with his story telling with mgs4 loaaaaaded with retcons and a lot of story elements either not making almost any sense,(like the people behind the patriots being your radio squad from mgs3,) MGSV has the problem of a story that’s barely there with a lot of important stuff like the truth records being pushed to the side in FUCKIN TAAAAAPES! In all honesty, it was for the best that Kojima stopped being part of metal gear...shame it’s stuck with Konami though cause jesus fuck their attempt with survive felt so barebones and half assed it’s painful.
In the end, Skull Face won. Retaliation was propagated until the war economy came to be. And so Big Boss had to unite the world, make it one, by making it retaliate unto him. Make him the enemy. Humanity's need for an enemy to fight, to blame has resulted in a world war: only because some soldiers could not interpret the Boss' idea of peace.
The vocal cord parasite are precursor think of them as alpha and beta strains of Fox die. They use the information they got from the vocal cord parasite tests to further pursue genetics technology but still used vocal cord parasites as a base in their research
goku262002 ehhhh thing of the parasite as a precursor to nanomachine,Basically its a doubleedge sword,One it gives you superhuman strength but if speak any language that tied to that strain then you die
@@solidsalt3412 I am pretty sure this is the special ambience for the Smasei Fort are you sure Zero was getting a cup of tea in a cave? On a hidden floor in the middle of the city?
Oh, Zero, you bad boy! How could you! You knew that trusting Paz was a very risky thing to do. However, I pity you because I think she really tried to protect you.
Bro in the real life people die falling in floor and hit his head... by put his foot in a puddle of water.... : D I really think Strange love kill Skull face... when Emerich put the IA (Strangelove ) in the head of Sehelantropuos.
It's almost comical how much stuff Zero knocked over. And each time it's an even bigger crash than before.
I think by the end once he realized he'd been played he started throwing shit down in a rage.
This while tape is mysterious... When someone holds a grudge on me i dont invite him to my place, or did zero? He even mentioned, in the end! How he had find this place.
Maybe he's making noise so the agents can find him? I remember that no one there knew what they were protecting or keeping, they probably only knew that a little girl (Paz) goes there from time to time.
8:17
I laughed so hard at that one crash sound. It sounds like Zero opened a closet and a bunch of shit fell on him.
@@JoeCoolMaveric I’m crying
Skull Face sounds like a very interesting character in the tapes , too bad he doesn't have much screen time.
I think that’s the beauty of his character though. In the storyline he’s a top secret clean up crew meaning literally no one knows he “exists”
La Las He’s also literally the phantom pain of the entire series. He put Zero in a coma. Repercussions felt in the future but not seen or spoken about.
Most disappointing was how he went out. Didn’t match well with this built up villain IMO.
scythe0100 yeah I wish he was done better. Didn’t need a fight but still be cool and menacing.
@@Gadget-Walkmen I mean he was cool and menacing until the very end
When Zero says "Jack" at the end, I can only imagine him regretting everything he ever did against Snake.
This is why he goes on to protect him from Skull Face with everything he's got.
Looney tunes villain Skull Face in game vs. Terrifying psychopath Skull Face in tapes
I still think they did him dirty after the setup from GZ
Funny how Skull Face ruined Zero by giving him a fake pin that was near identical to the original memento he sought.
In turn Zero indirectly ruined Skull Face by setting up a memetic copy of Big Boss to help deal with the threat his former XO posed.
Near identical to the original, apart from a missing limb and some added shrapnel.
Indeed. It shows that even “he who controls information” can be fooled, fooled by form over substance.
Skull Face wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine.
It's original... Skull Face wanted him to suffer in the end...as he calledZero with real name .
Also, poisoned knife prick, aka one laced with venom. Or maybe I'm just forcing correlation.
Don't forget it was venom snake that dealt with skullface not the real big boss
Venom snake is skullface.
"I have no intention of hiding behind your technological veil, Major..." when shit hits the fan.
I think it was a little earlier than that Iago. Like at the beginning Skully has a sycophantic kiss-ass tone but when Zero turns his plan down skully's tone changed to angrily saying his face can't be brought back.
It is interesting that Major Zero didnt take immediate action when he saw a package was delivered to his hideout. Trust is so dangerous
Holy Shit! The voice acting and dialogue exchange in the tapes are absolutely God-tier! Metal gear has always consistently had great voice acting but in Phantom Pain it's really exceptionally!
I love the way he says the word "Major". I could listen to it over and over forever.
Me too!!! I’ve actually been doing that for the last few days
When Zero mentioned "context" all I could think of was GW AI Colonel and Rose in MGS2 when they were talking about "creating context" for the future. Filtering out information and deciding what will be thrown away and what will be kept. Holy crap. O.o
That's why Zero mentions "Electronic network". He's referring to the Patriots AI that will emerge later on. Kaz also references this at the end of PW when he defines Cipher as a world governed by digital intelligence.
@@narek323 Paz also talks about how "Ciphers going to CONTROL guns" at the end of PW referencing SOP.
Zero had these ideas and plans in the works LONG LONG before we see them come to fruition in 2 and 4. the AI spiraled out of control though and created the War Economy which wasn't part of his plans tho.
He also talks about Foxdie
6:07 I will always love the level of detail of this recording. The way we hear Zero reclining forward on his chair at that moment makes us realize that he was actually concerned and put out of place about what Skull face just said... it sums emphasis on the turn the conversation took suddenly
I like this better than the other videos where the cassette is played while in the helicopter. The lack of rotor noises from the heli lets you hear the fine details more clearly (the pin opening, the tea being poured, etc), not to mention the iDroid is not interrupting the dialogue to tell me that its going to be cloudy lol. Well done sir, standards indeed!
+Caedarva yeah I felt the same way, I had to do some tricks to get this recorded and everything, but I couldnt find any raw rips of the tapes and I wanted the raw recordings
+Ishidasouken any chance we'll see more of the tapes like this? Or even a tutorial on how to do it ourselves?
The basic workflow is:
-put all intel people into another group, eg medical bay, since they get released automatically later. this prevents lots of onscreen notices and sounds
- go to a place thats dark and quiet to play the tape, I chose some caves
- make sure all soldiers in the areas are absolutely cleaned out
- now basically play the tape and record.
because something always goes wrong, and weather warnings cannot be stopped, you usually have to do 2 or 3 recordings and cut it together.
you may wanna position the camera so that snake disappears.
rest is video effects to adjust the levels and make only white show up, which are the subtitles
I may do skull face and code talker, but I dont think there are many more that warrant this treatment
@@Ishidasouken
How about just recording the audio-files like someone who doesent wanna punish themselves? xD
don't forget you can turn off voice notifications in settings...but the heli adds ambience in my eyes lol
Lol I like how you can hear his teacup shaking when he first gets the shakes
this is one of the best metal gear scenes of all time. the voice acting is so good! Skull FACE and Zero were amazing,
this isnt a scene, its just dialogue, it would of been badass to have those 40 minute scenes but non hardcore metal gear fans fucked it up for all of us.
I wish these were cutscenes.
I guess that works when you think about it. These tapes allow you to imagine the things happening in it. Sometimes, picturing how these events are going down is better than seeing it. Plus, this allows the tape to be more important in the story of MGSV
@@karanrawat835 lazy ass reason, no wonder MGSV's story was trash. half of it was cut and the other part was moved to tapes
@@journey95far49 That's bollocks, mate. What you're talking about is exposition, not story. Nothing is gained by seeing characters explain everything in dense, overlong detail.
@@vicwaters87
I wouldn't say these tapes are purely exposition as they flesh out important series plot points that were left dangling after the game's final cutscene. To say "nothing is gained by seeing characters explain everything in dense, overlong detail" is lame rationalization in defense of what's clearly a rushed and unfinished product. Not to mention, that statement sounds very ironic coming from someone who I'm assuming is a Metal Gear fan.
Cutscenes in the previous entries were known for being long-winded but they added a groundbreaking cinematic quality that the series became acclaimed for. They packed everything you needed to know within the actual campaign, not unlockable post-game collectibles. Generally speaking it's by far more engaging if you've got compelling visuals to complement the dialogue and voice actors as opposed to just listening.
I don't have an issue with games using these types of audio logs to flesh out the narrative. BioShock is an example of it being done right because they give you little bits and pieces of information at a time. In Phantom Pain, instead of 40 minute long Kojima-directed cutscenes that are uniquely shot and edited.... we get several 10 minute long cassette recordings after finishing the game that clumsily tie up the (many) loose ends. It's a half-assed effort on their part, just like the game in general after you beat Act 1.
I wished I had proper directing and animating experience to create an actual video with these recordings
ok, so basically, if Skull Face would've have never fucked up the Major and left him like a veggie, the AIs from MGS2 and 4 would've never been derailed from their original task and turned into War addicts?
huh, interesting. so Zero wasnt THAT evil when you think about it. he still was robbing the whole humanity of their free will, though.
If Snake had said the code phrase to Ocelot in MGS3, he never would have lost his eye, Volgin would have been killed for good, Eva would have been found out, and the Boss probably would have survived.
"Who are the patriots" and he just never says it to Ocelot.
Spark of the beginning is what he is.
Evil? Fuck no.
Cause and main player for shit storm? Unfortunately yes.
Which makes story even greater, for even men with greatest intentions can fall to their own lies when they accidentally make them their own reality.
@The Law Maybe everything once did build up to a MGS6, a logical explanation is that Zero actually uploaded himself to the AIs as soon as the supertech became possible; Naked unplugging his oxygen turned him loose onto even more networks.
@@teslashark That sounds so stupid but so cool.
@@SerpentineDeity The more stupid, the cooler it can be
This is what conversations between chess game minded sociopaths are like.
I wouldn't necessarily call them psychopaths. They are merely misguided. They don't enjoy harming others for the sake of it. They believe that they are doing the right thing that will benefit the world, but they're willing to achieve anything to reach that goal, even if it's unethical.
8:20 Now that I'm hearing these tapes again it sounds like at some point Skullface actually met The Boss and was inspired by her in his own way: "The Boss said the same thing... Only I understood what she meant". What a waste of a perfectly good villain. Scenes like these should've been part of the main campaign and not be unlocked as extra tapes post-ending. The Phantom Pain lives up to its title after four years.
Skullface was always behind snake as his shadow, always making sure snake didnt do anything wrong in both the virtuous mission and operation snake eater, so he knows pretty much all of the boss' aspirations, and in my opinion, better than zero did.
He stated that it was not, but Kojima caught a lot of flack for leaving the game “unfinished”. But after a few years now, I’m pretty convinced it was all intentional. It really drives home the over-arching theme of the game and it’s very namesake.
I appreciate this game more today than 2015 when it came out.
Skull face is Jack
@@pazkaz2262 Skullface is Santa Claus
@@369Alien Venom Snake is Ricardo Valenciano Libre (Chico)
Skull Face - I just sent you a package Zero, i hope you like it.
Zero - Thank you XOF commander.
Zero - Ouch! This hurt! Oh no.. i'm infected.. how did you find me? Paz?
Skull Face - I just sent you a package.... -________-
+AutomaticSnake Well this was only possible with the information Paz gave away.
Think about it for a second bro. It makes no sense xD
+AutomaticSnake Well Zero only realizes this when he starts feeling sick, it totally makes sense.
+AutomaticSnake could also be that Zero trusted that everything sent to him is checked before given to him, but since the pin had parasites, Zero realized Skull Face must have sent some to give the pin - without it being checked. Make any sense? :)
Zero all like “how did you find me”?
Well technically the pin was sent as a gift to YOU so of course YOU would know that Skull face could find your location
"A face means nothing when one soul is able to communicate directly with another."
*Third Impact intensifies*
everyone in this comments section ignoring the insane lengths skullface would have had to go to make an exactly perfect replica of the pin badge, exclusively to fuck with Zero after he started succumbing to the effects of the parasite.
HE EVEN HAD SOMEONE RUB THEIR FINGER ON THE INSCRIPTION UNTIL IT LOOKED JUST RIGHT
It's likely the real pin, Skull has connections to people from Tselinoyarsk - he could have gotten it from Strangelove years ago
@@teslashark Skullface says the pin he gave to Zero is a fake, and they he is holding the real pin, there is a little audio sound effect that implies Skullface was holding the Pin.
@@kazmark_gl8652 Could go either way, thanks metal eater magic
and like, it was not necessary at all. they had the real pin, it would've been easier to just poison that and send it, but no - gotta fuck with him
How many tables with platter on it did he just crash in this recording? xD
One table. Every time he knocked it over a soldier picked it back up :D
Huh, what's that?
For some reason, I felt some Gus Fring (From Breaking Bad) vibes coming from Skull Face in this video
Karan Rawat and zero is charles widmore from lost
Same
Man for a guy in a secret room on a secret floor of a windowless apartment with every tenant a cipher agent, they sure needed better people. Alarm was ringing for almost 3 minutes until somebody came. (Presumably longer if the audio fading out and back indicates passage of time.)
you gotta remember his security had to be carefully handpicked. Agents could span from chefs, customers, waitresses, hosts, homeless people, janitors. Anyone who’s awaiting the order to reach out to zero sticks to their “duty” until he calls for them. Sometimes it’ll take more than a few minutes
"HE" is not The Sorrow who died on the "30th of December, 1941".
The Boss killed The Sorrow in 1962.
Donkey Lips so who is he?... Is it skullface?...
@@GreenSabre187 A close friend of The Boss and Zero, we never get to meet him or learn his name.
@@Cizma77 Well that's anticlimactic
@@Cizma77 It might a real life SAS soldier. I've heard his name was mentioned in one of the playthroughs.
@@Cizma77 We never got it thanks to Konami convincing Kojima into making MGS5 instead of a game about the Boss's backstory.
Skullface wanted to attack zero for 10 years and now he did
I'd like to thank you for those clean recordings c:
Both great voice actors. Zero seems so jaded but deep down he's still the same softie we remember (albeit having done unforgivable mistakes) and Skullface is just plain scary. Going from sycophantic to guiding Zero to prick himself, to taunting and talking over Zero. Skullface was not just happy with causing physical pain and just had to add that last jab of denying Zero of his little trinket. One's final moments reveals one's true nature and the last thing Zero thought about was his regret for his rivalry with Big Boss and for what's to come. Skullface puts even Ocelot to shame...
Thanks for using the word "sycophantic" - sounds much more highbrow than "bootlicking". I didn't know it before :)
@@zeeman9057 There's a much more crude word for that but we don't wanna breach our overlord's TOS!
@@SerpentineDeity Now I'm curious :D I wish there would have been a DM service.
@@SerpentineDeity If you space out the letters, it doesn’t censor I’m pretty sure
See Zero's biggest mistake was not seeing the red flag that was he "received" the pin from Skull Face. To understand you have to remember that Zero went unbelievable lengths to stay out of the public eye by any means necessary meaning that virtually no one knew where to find him unless he wanted to be found. So, when he was delivered a gift from his XO who had no way to find him, he should've put together that he was in danger. And Zero only realized this after he fell for Skull Faces trap.
Thanx for keeping the background plain black. Can full screen size and easy on the eyes
It’s almost hard to tell wich one is the bad guys is.
I used to think Zero was the real villain back in MGS4.
And all Zero was want was just trying reconciliation with Big Boss after the Peace Walker incident.
Then Skull face step in with his own way to fulfilling The Boss’s Will. And yet I still think Skull Face isn’t a bad guy either.
He same as Zero and Big Boss trying to accomplish The Boss’s will
When Zero says: "You are no different...Just like HIM"
Who could he be talking about?
SORROW from mgs 3
+Ahmed Mehdi In the beginning I thought the pin badge was of the Sorrow, due to timing and location, this isnt true.
Which has nothing to do with the line we are talking about here though.
"You are no different...Just like HIM. None of you understand the world she saw" - Zero is talking about Big Boss, as he also was puzzled by the Boss throughout Peace Walker too, Strangelove as well. Zero claims to understand her better.
Which is a big retcon from MGS3 of course, but... ye.
yeah, he talks about big boss, for sure
How is Zero claiming to understand her better a retcon? It's not. Zero always canonically shared time with The Boss in WW2. He did however spend nowhere the time with her Big Boss did which just shows his arrogance in claiming he knows her will better than him - to be fair he's not entirely wrong, Big Boss didn't get her will either and only realised it in 2014
That doesn't mean the perspective from MGSV is a retcon. He wasn't incredibly familiar with the Boss in MGS3, sure, but I think the Boss' speech at the end of 3 is meant to have made him incredibly respectful of her vision; it certainly seems to have affected all involved massively.
Given Big Boss learns that the Boss' defection and death was concocted by Hot Coldman, I have to imagine Zero quickly cast aside any possible contempt he may have had for her when learning the same. Skull Face also suggests that Cipher is revenge against America for her death... So it also seems especially likely that Zero concocted Peace Walker's employment of Paz and Zadornov not only to manipulate Big Boss, but to wipe out Coldman, too.
Worst alarm system ever. It took them forever to get there lol.
5:14
thanks, i was looking for that part from the trailer
"a man robbed of his enemy develops self-destructive tendencies." Now WHO was he referring to?
Sean "PlayStationFan" Goldtrade yeah, i dunno
Big Boss. Mr 'hey, you know what's good? eternal war and child soldiers' himself, given that's his perspective by MG2.
Sean "PlayStationFan" Goldtrade its the theme of tpp. Revenge is a good motivation untill you exact it, then you'll feel lost and unsatisfied. just like miller after skull face died. He said the pain keeps on going, and he began suspecting diamond dogs members of duplicity, etc etc. but the storu got cut short so the situation resolves prematurely
Ciaran Statham Thats the perspective the Patriots give you about him, not the actual truth
No, that's Big Boss as per the end of Metal Gear 2. He quite openly tells Snake about how he wants to perpetuate the cycle of war and wants to use child soldiers to do it.
Skullface is Samael and zero is lilith from neon genesis evangelion
Skullface sounds like internet historian
For Paz, yeah he kept that secret, I don't remember if he had a reason but yes,
But, Big Boss knew about the "Les Enfants Terribles" project, nothing about betraying the boss
No context about the third tape, isn't that Zero and Skullface ? Idk can't tell anything about that dude
The last one is nothing about betrayal too
Imagine Zero agreeing to Skull Face's idea right after he pricked his finger...
Skull Face: "So, uh, Major... about that pin badge..."
Remember he just never has to say the trigger phrase around Zero. He could easily cover it up.
@@MrStath1986wait there was a phrase?
@@drewgrffn3880When He said "One" The parasites took effect
I like how Zero had all the technology in the world, could create super human cyborg ninjas, an impenetrable fortress that serves as the U.S military network, how he could create nano machines and make dudes go inmortal and even so far as to imbue spirits of dead people into someone else like MGS4 with screaming mantis. YET he could not save himself from some pathetic parasite? lmao... Even so Zero is literally the responsible for everything happening after MGS3 and when the Patriot A.I, J.D came into control, basically the world was his.
Its only 1975-1976 years,his power is not so huge at this moment and i think its not so difficult to infect him with parasites. Furthermore he didnt even realise the XOF opportunity to betray him
Ironic. He could save other from death, but not himself.
Parasites are no joke. Even today with how far we've progressed with technology and the medical field, parasites are still a major threat to humans and can lead to severe complications, even death in alot of cases.
@@FildaTheOne I see what you did there.
Most of that was the patriots A.I. Zero didn't have any control except by proxy from about this moment in history
When no one understood the Boss' will and this was all for nothing lul
1üP Only Solid Snake unconciously, inherited the Boss's will. As said by Big Boss himself in mgs4.
Venom Snake understood it too.
@@Jakewd12 venom snake was still forced to operate under big boss, which is why mgsv heavily emphasizes that he becomes a demon. It's not because of who he is, its because of the person he inherited. Big boss forced him to be a terrorist who helped outer heaven be built, despite us seeing him save the world and even stop child soldiers from being recruited, even being against the idea of revenge, while big boss uses revenge as the only thing to power his anger against zero
So this is the reason why Zero become how we see him in Guns Of The Patriot?
Yup, skullface put the pin badge there for major Zero to pricked himself leading to him get infected by the parasite and went into a comatose state
I love the deception some Machiavellian games here out foxing the master, even when skull face says “I have no regrets” and (zero doesn’t interpret the will and can’t tell a memento for a friend from a ringer) and when zero says Skull face would steal it all “she said the same thing except I understand what she meant” skull face isn’t wrong about zero he had completely lost sight and pasted his view over hers skull face was a great villain just too many cuts to this game a lot hidden in tapes
I have a much greater appreciation for this title in the series, today. It’s only been 7 years but so many important subjects are being discussed here between Skull Face and Zero. Subjects relevant to even our social and political atmosphere in America. And in hindsight, Kojima did an excellent job tying everything together. Notice Zero mentioned both Genetics (MGS1) and Information Control (MGS2). And it’s all based on his obsession to honor the Boss; her will (MGS3). To add onto that, it’s ironic to simply realize that both of these guys are completely convinced they are the leading authority on what the Boss wanted for the world. But just end up perverting it and becoming control freaks.
Meanwhile, Big Boss still doesn’t even fully understand what she wanted. He doesn’t even come to a revelation on the matter until his death knell in MGS4. More than anything, he just loved her and misses her. And I think that last gasp for “Jack” by Zero here, really testifies to who Big Boss was in this whole story: the real legacy of the Boss. The rightful interpreter of her will.
I'm really happy to see more and more people coming around to recognizing that this game was the final masterstroke of an exceedingly genius series.
@@davidanspach1624 I’ve been coming back to a lot of these clips in my downtime lately. It also makes me appreciate why Kojima was so dead-set on using motion capture (as well as passing on David Hayter for Keifer Sutherland) for the acting. There’s a gravity to the way the storytelling unfolds in MGS5. Using Revenge as the theme. And then The Phantom Pain title whilst literally leaving the game feeling open-ended.
I am now convinced Kojima was not lying when he said the game was completed and not unfinished. Regardless of what happened with Konami. We forget the guy gets off on pulling fast ones.
Big Boss understood what she wanted after the peace walker but he felt betrayed Boss wanted peace a world that would not need soldier, being a soldier Big Boss believed that she betrayed their true calling, and her dream eventually would leave the world without soldier in other words Jack would have no place in it. At least this is way I understood.
Interesting that Skull Face is still on somewhat friendly terms with Zero despite this phone call taking place after MSF's downfall.
Zero claims to be Big Boss' friend, but still keeps Skull Face around. Granted, Skull Face was exiled to Africa, but you'd think Zero would want to avenge Snake in some way.
Several things here.
For one, that's the fuckin predecessor to the FOXDIE sound. So we know the beginning of that.
Of course of Course, Naomi Hunter, the fuckin Liar. FOXDIE wasn't a Virus...
... it was a parasite.
For two, that Pin actually is important historically, because that's the British SAS pin. The Winged Dagger, with the phrase "Who Dares, Wins". Remember that the Boss was the Mother of Special Forces. Which means she had that pin immortalized for what must've been a very dear friend. Seems the Boss got very attached to individuals, a complete contradiction to what she talked about to Snake early in the Virtuous Mission.
For three, Zero recites near word per word what the PATRIOT AIs recite. Truely, his remains, a digital gravestone. Not even that, but if we take Strangelove's speech, he seems to have made the AI to the point of attaching the Peace Walker AI to it as well. Though how this was accomplished and what it resulted in remains in a mystery...
Perhaps some eggs are better left unhatched.
Nice nice
Would you guys say this virus is related to FoxDie or at least a foreshadowing of its use in later games?
this made me realise Kojima is Zero, not Big Boss. Big Boss is more like the Metal Gear community
energiesoler And Skull Face is Konami
It’s weird to think Hell’s Kitchen being the location of zero that Paz tells skullface is featured on Tom Clancy’s The Division it’s a safe house 👀
MGS and Tom Clancy game series somehow canon and not related to each other at the same time because Sam Fisher know Solid Snake
What "old tricks" was skull face referring to in regards to miller?
Running a mercenary/private military organisation. Prior to Big Boss waking up, Kaz was already running around keeping their funds going prior to setting up Diamond Dogs.. Which was set up with Zero's help, after what Skull Face did.
Ciaran Statham who fits it in there that kazuhira is hearable in confession tape of paz?...
Could you please do one for Skull Face and Code Talker?
It's perhaps my most favorite of Skull Face's tapes that it irritates me how in the actual game, Skull Face is, well...
7:53 that was a cartoonishly loud and low quality explosion
He mentions about the sorrow how the boss killed him.
I wish someone can paint me a picture of the room... we could animate it
Paz revealing Zero to Skull Face describes the room. Apparently he’s in the Flatiron Building
Is the music in the background on any soundtrack. It’s awesome
sandstorm is coming..
i wish i had this cassette tape and a walkman cassette tape player that would be awesome
It's interesting how Skullface understood The Boss' will better than Zero; her will was to leave the world as it is, something that Zero, through Cipher, utterly failed to understand. Skullface might be taking a hands-on approach, but he ultimately seeks for the world to be left alone from the imperialism of English as a lingua franca. Obviously The Boss probably wouldn't approve of his actions, but he understood her far more than Zero did in his quest to unify the world.
Zero: A WORLD OF FUN AND SIMULATIONS
He's kinda like Solidus in that regard. Solidus tried to defeat Cipher through evil means too
Wasn't his true intent to cause equality through wholesale of nukes?
Skull Face wanted to genocide the West and create a world in perpetual nuclear conflict that he alone controlled. That's not what The Boss wanted.
@@csterner7690yes
It just me or XO voice very similar with monologue in PT. Silent Hill trailer?
8:08 - Well, unfortunately, Zero's not entirely wrong.
Both he and Big Boss interpreted the Boss' will incorrectly. Of the three of them, Skull Face knew what she wanted, but
had no intention of making it reality.
2:45 You can hear Zero pouring a teapot.
2:37 you mean
Who was Zero referring to when he said his "predecessor"?
One of the philosopher's most likely
+SaladSnake Perhaps I suppose.
My guess is The Sorrow
This. His predecessor refers to The Philosophers - he stole their money and created an organisation that would replace them and unite the world. This is what The Boss claimed she wanted to do, to unite The Philosophers. The only problem is circ 1964 there are no remnants of the wise men's committee left just warmongering assholes so Zero presumably decided they couldn't be saved and created Cipher to replace them
something I didn't get when they found out the cure for the parasite how come ocelot didn't try to cure zero it implied he was aware of his condition was zero at the point where he was uncurrable
A month late, but this takes place some years before the events of MGSV and some years before the Wolbachia solution came about. Zero said time was running out, so chances are, by the time they found the cure, Zero was too far gone.
Iqbalx1 The cure only works if a person is asymptomatic. Zero was already long gone by time of Code Talkers reveal, the Wolbachia wouldn't have worked
Not to mention that Ocelot had no idea where Zero was shortly after this.
The "Closest friend of Boss and Zero's" pin :(
Give
Jack....
DID HE MEANT WHO I THINK HE MEANT?!
Yeah, Raiden was already a child soldier at this point.
He’s referring to Big Boss. “Jack” is another name for “John”, with John being Naked Snake’s real name.
Yeah Big boss
#TimeWinters
So….if zero wasnt the one who attacked msf, and Skullface said he doesn’t hate the big boss, which part of Cypher was it that attacked the base 9 years ago?
Big Boss just wants to be his own person?
4:33 Heh, the Patriots AI's raison d'etre, albeit straightforwardly so.
I wonder what the soldiers that came to his room at the end of the clip looked like. Were they dressed the same way as XOF?
8 months later but they were probably dressed in normal civilian clothes since zero was trying to keep his little safehouse operation on the down low
@@solidsalt3412 But then again, we know how it usually goes in MGS. They like being fancy with everything.
@3:05 zero mentions his “predecessor”. who is he referring to?
i think he means the philosophers
So skull face put some into zero
Parasites English strain to be exact
lmao was i the only one that expected skull face to say the pin was fake😂😂
Too bad that the best moments with Skull Face were hidden behind tapes
It’s just like they were talking about corona virus and what is going on today!?
zero got what was coming to him!!!!!!
Um.., why do you say that? Zero did nothing wrong
you mean besides weaponizing information / becoming the (worlds) information dictator, trying to get a super-soldier clone army, sanctioning genetic (and maybe parasitic) killswitches / cleansers?
Not saying big boss has a clean sheet but zero sure as heck doesn't either.
Ok maybe that, but the fall of Motherbase was on skull face, not zero. Zero was the one who hid Big Boss away from Skull Face in Cyprus in the first place. After Skull Face infected Zero with the parasite he became brain dead.
+XxVoiceofSurvivalxX These are facts, yes, that still do not imply that zero did "nothing wrong"
XxVoiceofSurvivalxX You do realize Zero caused all of this by even sending Paz to MSF in the first place to threaten, coerce and imprison Snake? Zero has caused all of this from the very beginning.
The only reason he kept Snake alive was because of guilt and the fact he still desired for Big Boss to be his ally, an ally he could control like a puppet.
Awesome! Thanks for this clean recording. I know it might be a big project, but would it be possible to upload the rest of the MGSV tapes with a "clean" audio quality?
6:17 what happened to zero? I still didn't understand, someone can tell me?
Skull face poisoned the pin which he gave to zero. Zero got infected while using the pin and then started slowly dying
@@fiftycaliber2972 aah i see, thanks man
Zero was infected Skull face's own version of the vocal cord parasite when he pricked his finger with the pin and would reduce his cognitive function over time
I wonder why big boss diddnt mention skullface to solid snake at the end of mgs4
The out of universe explanation is obvious, but in universe... Chances are he had no idea he existed or didn't care enough to do so; Big Boss never meets him face to face after all.
cipher Erased Skullface out of everyone's memory So As the cold war Well The A.i Did
Gg
Zero deserved it
I don't understand... Why did zero ask skull face "how did you find me?". I mean he delivered the fake pin badge to zero (im assuming through proxies)can someone explain pls
mgs ground zero dude .... SPOILER : PAZ get captured by XO , sent to Guantanamo and XO made her talk .
The after credits conversation in Ground Zeroes shows how Skull Face interrogated Paz for Zero’s location.
Zero? Who zero? Zero in mgs 3?
Yap, major zero, cypher
He pricked himself with a pin and it sounds like he stabbed himself, how do you even do that
curiously got the better of him
Zero was suffering with dementia before the attack
Skull Face:
-Shows up in the last game of the series out of nowhere
-Outsmarts Big Boss and easily destroys MSF
-Essentially kills Zero
-Refuses to elaborate
-Dies and gets erased from history
biggest chad in all the games tbh
Skullface is venom snake, cipher destroyed MSF not XOF, XOF/FOX/Diamond dogs are one, you can find diamond dogs crates in OKB zero base and Skullface's pilot pequad has diamond dogs helmet too.
never cook again
@@Boss.X5liar
@@Boss.X5You just burnt down the entire house.
The person who "died" is norman in death stranding....
wait, how do you know that ?
energiesoler it’s just some bullshit theory that DS and metal gear are the same.
Metal gear zero, they call it.
I mean, I'm all for people having fan theories and having fun with it. But they are taking this shit, WAAAAAYYYYYYYY to seriously for their own good.
I mean kojima has been doing nothing but Metal Gear for over 20 years now and now finally when he's out from KoNAZI headquaters, he can finally do his own thing, yet people want him to produce MORE of Metal Gear.
Jesus Christ, give the guy a break and let him do something new for christ sakes.
I know koijima said he's going to be doing video games intill the day he dies, but I'm sure he doesn't want too do Metal Gear intill the day he dies.
They’re talking about the sorrow, right?
No, just some old solider comrade from the past who died.
It’s not anyone we know about
6:16 WTF!
Skullface poisoned him with a vocal cord parasite strain That damaged his brain
@@rionsteiner2397 Correct, now imagine with the new A.I that's been going around any hardcore fan can bring to life all codec calls of all games to real image. Imagine that.
@@Sinraiser Mhm pretty crazy
But where do you find these tapes?
Kowalski 420 you complete the game
Ad Revenue 100% or just complete all the missions?
@@dawid6180 In what game ?? ground zeroes or The phatom pain?
the women that zero talks about is the boss?
+Gerard Riera Yes The boss, the joy.
and the man they are talking about is most likely The Sorrow...?
Not likely. Zero suggests both he and whoever the recipient of the pin was were working under the Boss in Egypt when the man passed. The Boss killed the Sorrow at the behest of the Philosophers in Tselinoyarsk. But the man's death most likely contributed to the Boss' perspective as per MGS3.
Wow so I thought chapter three or whatever got cut would be Big Boss finally going after Cipher, when in fact he just dies right here holy shit what???? That's really weird. Good to know, but kinda disatisfying. Like we are robbed of our revenge.
I think it's meant to be dissatisfying, but.. Really tying with the themes of the game. Like Skull Face intended to destroy an incredibly prominent means of communication using the parasites, but the real issue is the lack of communication between Big Boss and Zero. If the two had mended their bond when Big Boss woke up? Everything would have been different. But.. Yeah. This basically turns Zero into the pitiful vegetable we see in MGS4, which.. Sure, he did bad things, but I didn't really want revenge, knowing the way he turned out.
Nemesis Zero dies in 2016 after MGS4 the parasite attack degraded his health over several years till he was rendered in a vegetative state up till when big boss shuts off his life support in the cemetery
@The Law not really. Its stated to be a slow degradation. 15 years between zanzibarland and skullface's 'assassination'. Cancer and HIV have gradually degraded people over longer periods of time. It's not a huge jump to assume that he can have mental and physical capacity 15 years later but not 32 years later.
@The Law not that I dont agree it was an unnecessary retcon (pretty much everything in MGS is a retcon) it still fits in ok. It's heavily implied that Zero was 'gone' by 2005.
Cirac1 let’s face it, after mgs3 it’s clear Kojima reaaaaally didn’t wanna keep going with metal gear due to creative fatigue/burnout, once mgs4 happened, and he basically had to direct it, you can tell he got way sloppier with his story telling with mgs4 loaaaaaded with retcons and a lot of story elements either not making almost any sense,(like the people behind the patriots being your radio squad from mgs3,) MGSV has the problem of a story that’s barely there with a lot of important stuff like the truth records being pushed to the side in FUCKIN TAAAAAPES! In all honesty, it was for the best that Kojima stopped being part of metal gear...shame it’s stuck with Konami though cause jesus fuck their attempt with survive felt so barebones and half assed it’s painful.
So so did the pin belong to?
To the Sorrow
No, to some SAS soldier The Boss fought with in Egypt
In the end, Skull Face won. Retaliation was propagated until the war economy came to be. And so Big Boss had to unite the world, make it one, by making it retaliate unto him. Make him the enemy.
Humanity's need for an enemy to fight, to blame has resulted in a world war: only because some soldiers could not interpret the Boss' idea of peace.
Was the virus they're talking about Foxdie?
No, its the virus from MGS5
The vocal cord parasite are precursor think of them as alpha and beta strains of Fox die.
They use the information they got from the vocal cord parasite tests to further pursue genetics technology but still used vocal cord parasites as a base in their research
goku262002 ehhhh thing of the parasite as a precursor to nanomachine,Basically its a doubleedge sword,One it gives you superhuman strength but if speak any language that tied to that strain then you die
@@PrincessTwilightdash Apparently Parasite + Metal Eater == capital-N Nanomachines, while Foxdie is just a bonus
Is the dagger belongs to sorrow
"clean recording"
literal cave houling in the background
The cave might have been clean who knows
@@solidsalt3412 I am pretty sure this is the special ambience for the Smasei Fort
are you sure Zero was getting a cup of tea in a cave? On a hidden floor in the middle of the city?
@@magnitudefallout3944 he's english he drinks tea anywhere
Oh, Zero, you bad boy! How could you! You knew that trusting Paz was a very risky thing to do. However, I pity you because I think she really tried to protect you.
This is the missing link, this shows us that Skull face is actually the real Big Boss
...wha?
Why didn’t skull face have a boss fight?Game was so disappointing
Bro in the real life people die falling in floor and hit his head... by put his foot in a puddle of water.... : D
I really think Strange love kill Skull face... when Emerich put the IA (Strangelove ) in the head of Sehelantropuos.
He was never meant to be a fighter