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  • @DidYouKnowGamin
    @DidYouKnowGamin  Рік тому +527

    We put hundreds of hours of research into this video. Giving it a like, comment or a share would help us out a ton. Cheers 👍

    • @Rambling-Thomas
      @Rambling-Thomas Рік тому +9

      Comment

    • @TramiNguyen-oi3kp
      @TramiNguyen-oi3kp Рік тому +5

      A lot

    • @FALCONLICK
      @FALCONLICK Рік тому

      Why did you not decide to take a side/stance/bias on the ken/sega thing? At the very least you could of told people to not send hate his way. Show some fucking empathy. You have a responsibility with your subscriber base. Have a sense of duty.

    • @LoomDoom
      @LoomDoom Рік тому +5

      You guys are mad men. Phenomenal work!

    • @Ultimaniacx4
      @Ultimaniacx4 Рік тому +5

      I just want to say I'm extremely grateful to hear the outline for the Chronicles sequel. Fans knew the game was never going to come out but it's nice to get some idea of how it would have gone.

  • @urlhnd
    @urlhnd Рік тому +771

    The fact that the concept of Rouge existed way back in 1992 is pretty wild. “A mature bounty hunter with flirtatious charm” perfectly describes her core character traits.

    • @CanterlotCrusader
      @CanterlotCrusader Рік тому +52

      Oh yeah, never really drew the parallels, but you got a point there.

    • @geoffreyrichards6079
      @geoffreyrichards6079 Рік тому +14

      So, like… Rouge is a relative of Sonic?

    • @ManoloRibera070
      @ManoloRibera070 Рік тому +22

      @@geoffreyrichards6079 Rouge THE BAT? home booooy....

    • @Skonris
      @Skonris Рік тому +23

      They just used the concept elsewhere. I didn't even think of that.

    • @farawaygaming_
      @farawaygaming_ Рік тому +5

      But also what about famg the sniper, he is like a guy version of rouge if you think about it

  • @Roovka_
    @Roovka_ Рік тому +512

    As soon as Ken went down the NFT route, you can tell exactly what his motivations were: money.

    • @Wingedlight-nn4hl
      @Wingedlight-nn4hl Рік тому +38

      Especially when he charged super steep prices for them and hopefully one day the SEGA lawyers get on his butt and shut down his NFTs.

    • @xenencross1717
      @xenencross1717 Рік тому +28

      Really, if money is the only thing Ol Kenny wants, he should've made the smart and right decision to sell the rights to all his characters so he would get less hate this time. But no, he has to be this one spoiled kid who won't share with his action figures. Seriously, he's a little brtch.

    • @jasontheredfox
      @jasontheredfox Рік тому

      We've always known this loser was after the money

    • @ManiacX1999
      @ManiacX1999 Рік тому +15

      @@Wingedlight-nn4hl SEGA is big enough to let him play with his toys as if he owns them. Obviously if the Paramount movies (and the Knuckles show) pick up with some backstory stuff they'll be a lot more likely to rip him a new one in court

    • @thedapperdolphin1590
      @thedapperdolphin1590 Рік тому +6

      @@xenencross1717I doubt that Sega wants to spend any money on them

  • @benmalsky9834
    @benmalsky9834 Рік тому +690

    The situation with Sonic Chronicles truly is sad. I definitely could have seen it blossoming into a whole sub series, like what Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi did for Mario. But you know as the thread says,
    Thanks Ken Penders

    • @Sonic2024freedomera
      @Sonic2024freedomera Рік тому +41

      It is still possible to make chronicles, but you would have to pay him, and I don't think anyone would want to pay for characters that are basically not his (the ones from chronicles, the ones he created if they are his according to me.)

    • @Mario9919DX
      @Mario9919DX Рік тому +84

      Penders is off his rocker. And is unreasonable.

    • @beauwalker9820
      @beauwalker9820 Рік тому +77

      ​​​​@@Sonic2024freedomerayeah, and frankly some of the characters he claims are his, he didn't even fully make himself. Like Dr. Finitevus was more so made by artist Jonathan Grey. Ken just described him as a white echidna, nothing more, but John didn't want to copy the Dr. Zachary character (a white echidna that Ken was unaware already existed) from the British Fleetway Sonic the Comic, so he tried to make him look as different and with more unique details as possible.
      Yet, Ken claims full copyright over that character, and others like Scourge the hedgehog whom he wasn't even involved in designing. (Scourge was designed by artist Patrick Spaziante)
      So it's ironic of Ken to claim he's fighting against "evil million dollar corporations stealing characters in the name of content creators," yet is basically stealing them himself, and never regarding other artists or editors that helped him make them.

    • @vigorouslethargy
      @vigorouslethargy Рік тому +43

      ​@@beauwalker9820
      Plus he only really won the dispute due to the fire at Archie wiping out a lot of paperwork, including Penders' contract. So Archie had no proof that he had signed any rights over to them for characters he had created.

    • @jeremyabbott4537
      @jeremyabbott4537 Рік тому +38

      @@beauwalker9820 also a lot his ideas were just ripped straight from other media, like Superman, only executed worse. Hell the dude straight up took a WW2 writing about Nazis and edited it to be about echidnas. Dude's a hack.

  • @Trowelhands
    @Trowelhands Рік тому +769

    Even after "okaying" the script, Penders is the still type of person to file a copyright claim.

    • @terrysyvertson9205
      @terrysyvertson9205 Рік тому +20

      he doesn't have the money to file copyright claims

    • @beauwalker9820
      @beauwalker9820 Рік тому +103

      ​​​@@terrysyvertson9205 doesn't seem to be stopping him from claiming copyright regardless.
      Though, what's really odd is, years ago during the legal drama, Ken on his official site asked fans to place a "copyright Ken Penders" if they post images of panels from the Sonic comic online, even if they were issues he didn't write nor had any involvement in. So honestly he kinda claims more credit then he deserves.
      Like the Dr. Finitevus was designed by artist Jonathan Grey, yet Ken claims full copyright of him, and doesn't regard John, nor other artists/editors who helped him create characters. (According to John, he was just told "to make a white echidna," so he deserves credit in the more unique design he went with, as John didn't want the character to resemble a white echidna from the British "Sonic the Comic" comics.)
      The above video, Ken is even trying to claim Julie-Su and Shade are the same character, even if they aren't, and look different.

    • @Ultimaniacx4
      @Ultimaniacx4 Рік тому +25

      @@beauwalker9820 And he claims all he wanted was a couple cents in royalties.

    • @cyxceven
      @cyxceven Рік тому +42

      If he had spent more time improving his art instead of being litigious, he might actually have been a respected member of the industry.

    • @DJCube1701
      @DJCube1701 Рік тому +23

      The fact that he okayed the script because he doesn't realise how bad it makes him look says a lot about his character. These links between the characters/places he claimed are extremely weak.

  • @lucascouto166
    @lucascouto166 Рік тому +1267

    Penders was probably one of the worst things to have happened to Sonic

    • @NukeA6
      @NukeA6 Рік тому +260

      Probably? He is. Being responsible for the ending of a well-received cartoon and butchering a long-running comic series was already bad enough but now we all know he caused the cancelation of a spin-off series. It's a never-ending fiasco with that guy.

    • @morbidtoaster8615
      @morbidtoaster8615 Рік тому +62

      This is saying a lot and it’s hard to not agree.

    • @the-NightStar
      @the-NightStar Рік тому +18

      Sonichu is the #1 worst thing to happen to Sonic and his entire franchise's reputation as a result.

    • @Eddn102
      @Eddn102 Рік тому +116

      ​@@the-NightStarnobody really cares about Sonichu.

    • @hamstersandwich9917
      @hamstersandwich9917 Рік тому +79

      @the-NightStar hardly, sonichu and CWC is only recognised and despised by the handful minority that still remember, penders on the other hand has permanently left his mark on the sonic brand

  • @SomeOfTheJuice
    @SomeOfTheJuice Рік тому +138

    It's really hard for me to consider how Ken sees himself as anything but the antagonist in this. Like, you're using someone else's franchise to make a comic, and then because you made some OCs in an official publication, you see yourself as suddenly owning enough to kill other media in that franchise, not because they used the actual characters, but because you see those characters as too similar to your own. It really feels like someone who just wants to grab some money off of a large corporation, regardless of whether he's actually in the right to do so (imo, he's not). The NFTs and the insane price he's putting them at definitely makes me believe he's more about grifting than creating.

    • @LegendStormcrow
      @LegendStormcrow Рік тому +4

      Naw bro, he thinks he's the hero. He just doesn't analyze his actions. It's like how terrorists think they are heroes.

    • @laggory
      @laggory Рік тому +3

      It should be noted that before the Sonic movie we got, someone pitched an idea about a Sonic movie to Sega, liked it and wanted to see how it went, which lead to Penders calling up Sega to say that guy changed his mind and scrapped it and stole their movie idea and pitched it to Sega.
      It never went past the first storyboard, of course

    • @charliekelly735
      @charliekelly735 11 місяців тому

      He's a dickhead but I won't lie, he's completely in the right in the instance of Sonic Chronicles. He owns the rights to the characters and there were some similarities between Chronicles and his work that went past being a "coincidence". While he doesn't own Chronicles, an argument could be made for plagiarism.

    • @CrimsonMoonM
      @CrimsonMoonM 9 місяців тому +6

      @@charliekelly735 He certainly has some merit when it comes to characters that he personally created, much like with Moore and Watchmen, but him insisting that he made Knuckles popular and that Sega and Paramount owes him for it is absolutely nuts. The Archie run, excellent as it often were under Flynn's penship, were never the primary source of Sonic exposure that Penders makes it out to be.

    • @charliekelly735
      @charliekelly735 9 місяців тому

      @@CrimsonMoonM True

  • @xandroid9231
    @xandroid9231 Рік тому +803

    Ken Penders will wipe this video off the map the second he sees sonic chronicles

  • @LycanLink
    @LycanLink Рік тому +438

    Great job, Ken Penders. Thank you for depriving us of what could've been a fun conclusion to a great game. 🙄

    • @no.402
      @no.402 Рік тому +13

      While he is also to blame, another big factor is that EA bought Bioware at that time

    • @LycanLink
      @LycanLink Рік тому +7

      @@no.402
      Jeez. I legitimately enjoyed Sonic Chronicles too. It was actually the only game in which I liked using Big the Cat. He was a really useful tanky character. 😂

    • @yomama9390
      @yomama9390 Рік тому +3

      they didn't even finish the first game, i don't see how they would have been able to create a second one.

    • @hamstersandwich9917
      @hamstersandwich9917 Рік тому

      @@no.402 lol, imagine Sonic with microtransactions

    • @iAmAllOfMii
      @iAmAllOfMii Рік тому +4

      @@no.402EA:
      Ruining games since 1982.

  • @gregorymansour1763
    @gregorymansour1763 Рік тому +7

    Fun Fact: There's one game that does acknowledge Sonic Chronicles. There's a dream Stage in Mario and Sonic at the Vancouver 2010 Olympics based off of the Twight Cage.

  • @Username_ladiesman217
    @Username_ladiesman217 Рік тому +257

    The fact we got NFT's instead of Sonic Chronicles 2 and future games makes me mad....... We truly live in the worst timeline.....

    • @p5rsona
      @p5rsona Рік тому +28

      instead*

    • @Username_ladiesman217
      @Username_ladiesman217 Рік тому +11

      @@p5rsona Man the skeleton appeared

    • @BlazeHeartPanther
      @BlazeHeartPanther Рік тому +1

      I mean, NFT's dropped off a cliff, so his probably didn't sell very well. So, its still a decent timeline all things considering.

    • @GUNUFofficial
      @GUNUFofficial 10 місяців тому +1

      The game kinda sucked tbh, i hated it when i was 12.

  • @rolfathan
    @rolfathan Рік тому +11

    Ken Penders absolutely ruined so many good things for Sonic. The Archie one was the longest running comic based on an IP. He also basically erased his legacy, made it so it won't be published ever again, made it so he won't be trusted in the industry again. Just wild to me. I loved his work as a kid, and the fact that he basically locked up all his work, and ruined other people's projects, it just boggles my mind.

  • @СозданиеБезымянное

    In all honesty, the Sonic Chronicles 2 storyline sounds epic. I feel like its concept of an Eggman-conquered world and the war to take it back is kind of better than the Forces approach.

  • @WillKeaton
    @WillKeaton Рік тому +169

    It's funny, the vibe I got from _Sonic Chronicles_ was that Argus was a good dude for locking away these super dangerous civilizations, because most of them seemed like they were threatening and expansionist.

    • @hamstersandwich9917
      @hamstersandwich9917 Рік тому +32

      That was the vibe I got too, that's why it's such a suprise that he was doing it to flee his own end.

    • @Doodle1678
      @Doodle1678 Рік тому +3

      Hold up Argus
      Isn’t that the name of the Zelda boss with the tentacles too

    • @geoffreyrichards6079
      @geoffreyrichards6079 Рік тому +40

      @@Doodle1678To be fair, the name Argus originates from Greek mythology, belonging to a multi-eyed giant monster which Hermes killed to give peacocks their distinctive feathers.
      Funnily enough, this isn’t the first time the Sonic franchise had a character named Argus. Another character was given the same name in “Sonic Underground”.

    • @memeguy9515
      @memeguy9515 Рік тому +2

      Very Lawful Neutral

    • @LordMetalSonic1987
      @LordMetalSonic1987 Рік тому +4

      ​@@Doodle1678You must be referring to Arrghus, from A Link Between Worlds.

  • @CornishCreamtea07
    @CornishCreamtea07 Рік тому +189

    Sonic Chronicles had really nice background art, a decent battle system and good writing, so it's a huge shame we never got a sequel that could have ironed out the games short comings.

    • @supercamborg4218
      @supercamborg4218 Рік тому +20

      If the battle system had a better way of dealing with hit/miss percentages and more varied input methods for the action commands it’d be a lot better, speaking as someone who grew up with the game

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 Рік тому +13

      And maybe a composer who knew what he was doing lmao

    • @supercamborg4218
      @supercamborg4218 Рік тому +17

      @@ORLY911 in the composer’s defense, they had music that they were going to use that they had to scrap late into production because of EA’s buyout and the fact they didn’t want to cover costs, and what was left in the final game is almost entirely placeholder effects and placeholder midi files

    • @no.402
      @no.402 Рік тому +6

      Fun fact: Chronicles' artstyle was inspired directly by Sonic X

  • @GaminylGames
    @GaminylGames Рік тому +57

    i dont understand how you can constantly upload such in-depth and high quality videos at the rate you guys do. You're an inspiration my dude

  • @Game_Hero
    @Game_Hero Рік тому +26

    My heart just warmed seeing that art used for the background of Green Hill in Sonic Chronicles, the childhood memories are flowing back!

  • @Kriseiri
    @Kriseiri Рік тому +20

    Kenders claiming ownership over Shade when he had nothing to do with any part of her creation is just so him. What a goblin.

    • @charliekelly735
      @charliekelly735 11 місяців тому +1

      Idk if he's claiming ownership as much as he's claiming that they plagiarized him

    • @flainfan
      @flainfan 6 місяців тому

      @@charliekelly735 either way he’s wrong.

  • @sonicandco
    @sonicandco Рік тому +126

    I cannot thank you enough for finally getting us the info of what would have happened inthe Chronicles sequels, that's something that had been bugging me and others for over a decade, but we now know thanks to your efforts. Again, I cannot thank you enough.

    • @no.402
      @no.402 Рік тому +4

      Seeing the plans for the Chronicles sequel here makes me even more depressed that it was cancelled, though the main reason why it was cancelled is because EA bought Bioware at the time, not the Penders lawsuit

    • @gracekim1998
      @gracekim1998 Рік тому +1

      @@no.402it seems like a combination of both from the sounds of it🤔

  • @miimaster6443
    @miimaster6443 Рік тому +10

    Ken is wrong completely. While he may or may not own certain Sonic Characters, he does not own concepts. He cannot own the rights to another Echidna Clan nor can he own the right of new echidna characters created separately from his own. The most he could ask for in that case is that the characters do not resemble his own.

  • @musicinmymind623
    @musicinmymind623 Рік тому +31

    Super grateful for this video for the new information on Sonic Chronicles and learning about Pop Mail, but I’m especially grateful for the spotlight on Nitrome. I’ve heard of some of their games but the gameplay of Sonic Day really makes me want to try some of their projects out! Wishing the best for them and take care over at DYKG!! Awesome to see the first sponsorship!

  • @SulfuricDoor
    @SulfuricDoor Рік тому +81

    Learning about Sonic day made me so interested and sad at the same time.

    • @benmalsky9834
      @benmalsky9834 Рік тому +5

      I’d love to see something like it be made someday.

    • @LordTchernobog
      @LordTchernobog Рік тому +11

      Sonic such a cursed IP...

    • @benmalsky9834
      @benmalsky9834 Рік тому

      @@LordTchernobogI know there’s lot’s of things we wished would happen with it, but I think it’s best to be grateful for what does come out for it.

    • @SulfuricDoor
      @SulfuricDoor Рік тому +9

      @@benmalsky9834 Sega NEEDS to give nitrome a chance someday. Nitrome always makes banger games.

    • @goranisacson2502
      @goranisacson2502 Рік тому +4

      It's sad that all Nitrome wanted to do was share some cool stuff that almost got made and the fandom had the reaction it did... but at the same time I wonder if it was possible they could have released it in ANY way without drawing that kind of response. Even if Nitrome's intentions are good, Sonic fans are often very tightly wound and poor at handling conflicts, partially due to SEGA's own incredibly spotty treatment of the franchise inducing tremendous bitterness in them that just leads to... well, what was seen in the video.

  • @tommycwills
    @tommycwills Рік тому +215

    Popful Mail was one of my favorite games as a child and certainly my favorite on Sega CD. I wish that game would get re-released on modern consoles I imagine it still has a lot to offer

    • @beauwalker9820
      @beauwalker9820 Рік тому +16

      I'd like to play it too. Still curious how "Sister Sonic" would of been. The "sexy and flirtatious" personality probably wouldn't age well, or just make her another Rouge the bat. (And they've had to tone her down too.)

    • @cin2110
      @cin2110 Рік тому

      ​​​​@@beauwalker9820 I don't get american culture how is a female using their positive traits to take advantage of dumb guys to get their way not age well but you guys are all pro sex work and shizz

    • @bbumbs747
      @bbumbs747 Рік тому +4

      Hey dude the other guy deleted their comment so can you give some context on what happened.
      Also just letting you know that the reason why this hasn't happened is due to the licensing issues between Sega and the localization team which from what I heard was from a 3rd party, I forgot the name of the team though sadly, but then again if they didn't have access to the OG localized version, a good alternative would have been to just release the original JP release but add EN subs to it. Like translate all the text boxes in English and put EN subs on the original cutscenes, while keeping the Japanese dialouge or something like that. It would have been easier to just do that since they wouldn't need to hire VAs, to be fair this does also mean hiring new translators but I doubt Sega would have problems with that considering localization is present with most of their games which have released abroad so a simple adding subtitles wouldn't hurt . It's kinda unfortunate tbh.

    • @zigazav1
      @zigazav1 Рік тому

      Same here, I've never played that game, as I never owned a SEGA CD, I'd love to give it a try

    • @ManOfUnknownWorth
      @ManOfUnknownWorth Рік тому +3

      @@beauwalker9820 It would aged well, and I miss the Rouge from before her nerfs. Companies listen to the Twitter puritans and Karens too much.

  • @OtakuUnitedStudio
    @OtakuUnitedStudio Рік тому +150

    Despite Penders's claim, Shade and Julie-Su have very little in common. But Sega agreed not to use her anyway as part of the court settlement. As for why Sega and Archie Comics lost, they didn't have a written copy of his contract. They never made him sign one, apparently. Without a contract, the work-for-hire ownership clause evaporates.

    • @X2011racer
      @X2011racer Рік тому +39

      Perhaps that is why Nintendo rejected Archie's pitch for a Super Mario comic series. They somehow knew Archie Comics would be that careless.
      Had it happened, Ken Penders would have gotten the rights to Yoshi and repurpose the Yoshi Clan for The Lara-Su Chronicles, either as Allies or Enemies. Given that everyone has Trust issues in LSC, the Yoshi Clan would have betrayed or be betrayed if they were allies.

    • @TurtleCraftZ1
      @TurtleCraftZ1 Рік тому +55

      They did make him sign a contract, Archie had one and lost the original in an office fire. They had a copy of it which Ken claimed he never signed
      Archie and Sega didn't lose because they didn't have his contract, they lost because Sega couldn't be bothered to step in and defend works they didn't particularly care for

    • @Holammer
      @Holammer Рік тому +20

      Archie Comics legal department was a bunch of clowns, but Sega is responsible too. They had very little control or input over the comics, they did not care at all.
      The 90's was a different time, nobody thought of products existing in an international environment.

    • @beauwalker9820
      @beauwalker9820 Рік тому +18

      ​@@X2011raceractually by then Ken was no longer working for Archie Sonic, and therefore Yoshi and company would be safe from him.
      And the reason Nintendo of Japan rejected it, (NOA liked it though) was because they thought it was "too dark/serious." Writer Ian Flynn blames himself for that, feeling if he were to help pitch a Mario comic again, he'd make it more whimsical.

    • @beauwalker9820
      @beauwalker9820 Рік тому +7

      I heard they didn't lose, they settled out of court, so neither side won.

  • @Outlawkk
    @Outlawkk Рік тому +17

    Why is it like once a year I go "Eff K. Penders!" the more I learn about him?

  • @rutabaga_rutabaga
    @rutabaga_rutabaga Рік тому +14

    Someone once said Ken Penders is a succesful version of Chris-Chan and this video reinforces that notion.

  • @akizaazika
    @akizaazika Рік тому +8

    I loved sonic chronicles growing up and it always hurt that there was never any clue as to what was going to happen next this video gives me closure like yes it’s not an actual game but I feel happy knowing what it could have been

  • @buivars
    @buivars Рік тому +137

    Wow, never would've imagined someone like Ken would be so greedy, I couldn't imagine working on a series I loved like that and then holding it against the company.

    • @CommanderBravo2
      @CommanderBravo2 Рік тому +29

      he never loved sonic to begin with. he had ZERO relation to sonic when he first started writing for archie, and hes made it very clear up to this day that he has no interest in the games too. the only things to do with sonic he cared about are the 100s of copy paste characters hes made for the archie comics and the storylines he wrote, which is why hes so comfortable doing this to the series

    • @sawkchalk6966
      @sawkchalk6966 Рік тому +5

      On principle, it's a good thing an artist didn't have their work unfairly taken away from them by a big company. I just wish it had happened with anyone but him

    • @CommanderBravo2
      @CommanderBravo2 Рік тому +7

      @@sawkchalk6966 call me crazy but if a company specifically contracts you to make work for them, work which you wouldve never done if not prompted by them, then whether its licensed characters or not the company should be able to keep it 100%, morally speaking

    • @robertlupa8273
      @robertlupa8273 Рік тому +2

      @@CommanderBravo2 Yeah, the only reason why he was chosen as a writer for Archie Sonic was because they needed someone and Ken's son liked Sonic. Or at least that's what I've heard, anyway.

    • @stardustpie1992
      @stardustpie1992 Рік тому +1

      @@robertlupa8273Ken’s son must hate him now, and he probably can’t understand why.

  • @sotnosen95
    @sotnosen95 Рік тому +7

    I applaud Did You Know Gaming for having the professionalism to not mention what a terrible person Ken Penders is. I'm not sure I'd have that kind of discipline.

  • @EtterWolf15
    @EtterWolf15 Рік тому +5

    I remember i was in a discord server with Miles for the game Wheel of Fate a few years back. For a college project i needed to interview a professional in an industry i wanted to work in, and Miles was super awesome and allowed me to interview him about game design. I remember in our conversation, i mentioned how growing up I was a huge fan of Sonic Chronicles (i believe i had asked him what his favorite games to have worked on were and he said he had genuinely enjoyed getting to work on a Sonic game). He had actually told me a few of the ideas the team had for the sequel (though not in nearly as much detail of course, we mostly stayed on the topic of game design). Overall he was really awesome for letting a random college student interview him, and it was awesome of him to share this info with you guys!

  • @escaperoutebritish
    @escaperoutebritish Рік тому +35

    I see NFT several times in Ken's response. Discarded.
    \_____/

  • @GameGod77
    @GameGod77 Рік тому +10

    It's nice to know the general story of Chronicles 2 after all this time. Learning that has made my day better.

  • @Game_Hero
    @Game_Hero Рік тому +55

    A bit sad Shade never got used in the official games, altough I do wonder how the Archie comics would have handled her inclusion considering Knuckles already has Julie-Su in them. Would they have just been close friends, making a trio team of fighters with the both of them?

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 Рік тому +9

      i think she was acknowledged in the Sonic Encyclopedia, so there seems to be something that lets her be used still in some degree, else she would've been wiped from official sources completely.

    • @Wingedlight-nn4hl
      @Wingedlight-nn4hl Рік тому

      @@ORLY911it’s also possible that she could come back in the main series since SEGA seems to be wanting to bridge a bunch of the Sonic sub series into the main one cuz at the end of Sonic Frontiers Amy mentions that when she gets home she’s gonna take a road trip with Cream and Sticks so now we know that Sticks is now officially part of the main series even after the Sonic Boom sub series failed so there is a chance that Shade could return one day like Sticks.

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero Рік тому

      @@Wingedlight-nn4hl Ken Penders : I'm afraid you can't do that

    • @oldpoletadpole70
      @oldpoletadpole70 Рік тому +1

      I imagine Archie Shade would've been involved with the Dark Legion at some point, since Brotherhood's Twilight Cage and Nocturnus Clan were based on the Twilight Zone and Dark Legion from the comics. I'm don't see Shade joining the Chaotix after getting herself sorted out, though. Partly because the comic didn't really know what to do with that group, and partly because Ian likely would've put a brand new spin on any Brotherhood elements to make them fit in with Archie's lore and be more original.

    • @galten7361
      @galten7361 Рік тому +2

      They already had Rouge be the "other woman" against Julie-Su.

  • @daniredux
    @daniredux Рік тому +19

    Thanks for your hard work on this video!
    It's a shame what happened to Sonic Chronicles. Hopefully we'll get another Sonic RPG one day down the line.

  • @criticalxxthoughtxx2916
    @criticalxxthoughtxx2916 Рік тому +177

    The Ken Panders case seem acturally crazy to me. Like you guys said, if there was any force behind it he probably would have goten dunked on. The paralles he makes to argue his points are assinine in the lore he made up. Like, Shade is nothing like Julie-su. And literally anything talking about Knuckles Leniage is his in his eyes, like he owns the concept of geneology XP. The guy himself is as you put it "off his rocker" and its wild he apparently just let you guys say that, but he probably just loves any attention given because he is a shitlord. Cus anything said negitive about him he can twist into a complement. He ain't the worst, but he acts like it.

    • @StarMechV
      @StarMechV Рік тому +43

      The only reason Ken won was cause SEGA didn't want to waste time getting involved and rather felt easier to just cut a, I'll be honest, mediocre rpg from continuing than giving the man more time.
      Funny enough Ken tried to go against EA and his case was dismissed. The only place where he actually "won" was against
      Archie comics, and only because of Archie's own incompetence in losing the original records of Ken's contract

    • @lobsteros
      @lobsteros Рік тому +43

      To be fair, not defending Ken, but... Dark Legion, Dark Brotherhood? Twilight Zone, Twilight Cage? An ancient clan of black-clad technology-using echidnas that were locked away in another dimension for generations?
      Some inspiration was absolutely taken from the comics. That much can't be denied. But still, Bioware had no reason to believe they couldn't use those concepts. Archie were the ones who screwed up, and Ken just capitalized on that, as he tends to do.

    • @slimcognito383
      @slimcognito383 Рік тому +23

      He’s basically one of those people who cry’s art theft for having a similar looking character but on a bigger scale.

    • @Kerrogann
      @Kerrogann Рік тому +27

      The IP doesn't belong to him. If he wanted to create stuff, he's welcome to do it on his own. But I side an existing IP, he has to accept that it doesn't belong to him.
      Sega just don't want to waste money on that dude, but one day he'll cross a line and endanger the Sonic brand, then Sega will definitely win.

    • @lobsteros
      @lobsteros Рік тому +15

      @@Kerrogann I mean, whether or not that's how it SHOULD be, the facts on paper is that Archie screwed up and Ken got the rights. It looks like Archie handled licensing pretty incompetently from the start.
      SEGA could *probably* brute force it, but there's a chance they might fail, and that's definitely not a risk they'd wanna take for characters they don't care about anyway.
      What could Ken possibly do that's brand-threatening? Any moreso than what he's already done, anyhow.

  • @benmalsky9834
    @benmalsky9834 Рік тому +79

    Sonic Day sure looks like it would have been a ton of fun! I don’t blame Sega at all for rejecting it, but hopefully they’ll bring it back one day or make something in the same spirit of it.

    • @beauwalker9820
      @beauwalker9820 Рік тому +7

      Yeah, it looks better then "Sonic Jump."

    • @benmalsky9834
      @benmalsky9834 Рік тому +4

      @@beauwalker9820 Yeah, it’s not very substantial, it’s just Doodle Jump but with Sonic. THIS one on the other hand looks a lot more substantial, like Super Mario Run.

    • @mariobot128
      @mariobot128 Рік тому +2

      @@benmalsky9834 tbf sonic jump was actually a remake of a previous japan-exclusive J2ME game released in 2005, so they technically had the concept first
      i'm still pretty sure the 2012 mobile remake was only to surf on doodle jump's popularity

  • @brandonwilliams6119
    @brandonwilliams6119 Рік тому +6

    Basically Sonic Chronicles 2 was gonna be Sonic Forces as an RPG since Eggman pulled a Biff Back to the Future Part 2 and that would’ve be super interesting.
    It also sucks that Popful Mail didn’t get a Sonic version reskin because that game looks beautiful and fun.

  • @ChReNiC
    @ChReNiC Рік тому +17

    "Sonic Chronicles 2 will never be more than the plot outline in this video."
    I wouldn't be so sure about that, considering the fandom we're talking about. Now given the scoop of the intended game direction and reveals, I would not be entirely surprised to see some good ol' fangame magic happen to tie up the long lost loose end.

    • @benmalsky9834
      @benmalsky9834 Рік тому +4

      I’d be thrilled to see a fan game made with this premise.

    • @JustCallMeMatt517
      @JustCallMeMatt517 Рік тому +9

      Fans are already remaking the first Chronicles so it isn't too crazy.

    • @genyakozlov1316
      @genyakozlov1316 Рік тому +2

      ​@@JustCallMeMatt517Once the remake is finished, or at least playable, we'll have the engine ready for use for any original Chronicles style project, including making the unreleased sequel with this plot outline.

  • @SILVRXIII
    @SILVRXIII Рік тому +17

    Never heard of Ken Penders until this video, and now I wish I never had.

    • @the-NightStar
      @the-NightStar Рік тому +2

      He's so much worse than even this video had time to get into. It's actually just the tip of the iceberg.

  • @RTDragonCommando
    @RTDragonCommando Рік тому +9

    There's also Sonic-16, supposedly. A game that never made it past the proof of concept phase, but would have been a slower paced game based on the SatAM continuity. There's a video of the concept, but it's pretty obviously not gameplay, just an animation to show how the game would have likely played.

  • @notanadikta
    @notanadikta Рік тому +117

    What very few people know is that the concept of Sister Sonic predates this remake/localization.
    Yuzo Koshiro's company was developing a puzzle game based on Sonic by Ayane Koshiro (Character Designer) and MTJ for Mega CD using Sister Sonic who was going to be the main character of the game, it was going to be published by Sega Falcom but ended up being canceled for unknown reasons.
    The thing is that there was a moment during the development in which it was considered to change the characters of Popful Mail (in which a port was already being discussed) by the characters of Sonic in a marketing push for both games to have more visibility in Japan as well as in North America. However, this version of Popful Mail never made it past the concept and rumors in mags, unlike this Sister Sonic which did reach a stage of development and even came out, was sold to a different company only with a facelift and on Super Famicom.
    It is called Araiguma Rascal and is based on a kodomo anime instead of the Sonic series.
    You can check this information on Masato Nishimura's twitter account, yes, the same guy who voiced Sonic and put that scary message in Sonic CD.

    • @fixedfunshow
      @fixedfunshow Рік тому +4

      Sonic Bros. does exist

    • @notanadikta
      @notanadikta Рік тому +8

      @@fixedfunshow Yes, MTJ worked on that game but it has no relation with this one, moreover it is not developed by Ancient and never had an official release.
      As I said in my comment, you can check it there.

    • @galten7361
      @galten7361 Рік тому

      Informative.

    • @johnsimon8457
      @johnsimon8457 Рік тому +1

      I always wondered what Araiguma Rascal was about. It seemed a bit much to have original characters for a block stacking puzzle game. Thing about puzzle games, they're easy to reskin with different characters so it's easy to imagine a block stacking game with Mail or Sister Sonic or whatever.

  • @Breeze926
    @Breeze926 Рік тому +2

    11:25 Super Sonic has now been fired like a bullet by Eggman in Sonic Frontiers

  • @crushingon
    @crushingon Рік тому +24

    We will never live down Ken Penders, will we?

    • @axelprino
      @axelprino Рік тому +8

      The fanbase and franchise will outlive him tho, I wouldn't be surprised if Sega it's just patiently waiting so they can negotiate the problem away after he's passed.

    • @GraveKenshin1991
      @GraveKenshin1991 Рік тому +5

      @@axelprino best case scenario the bastard dies somehow soon and we can finally count down the days for either SEGA to buy the characters or they eventually go free from copyright

    • @JustCallMeMatt517
      @JustCallMeMatt517 Рік тому

      @@axelprino He does have a son. Hopefully he's more reasonable than his dad.

    • @Neoniq41
      @Neoniq41 Рік тому +1

      @@JustCallMeMatt517 Damn it, I really hope this doesn't end up the way I think it will.

  • @SakuraStardust
    @SakuraStardust Рік тому +2

    Oh gosh, I’m so excited to check this out!!

  • @MadfireMonkey
    @MadfireMonkey Рік тому +6

    I like how the characters Bioware made look nothing like the ones Ken made and he bitched about it and then goes and makes an nft where half is Shades body like it's nothing and has the nerve to say he's not unreasonable

  • @smactork
    @smactork Рік тому +8

    Ken Penders is the black stain on Sonic that never fucking goes away

  • @SnaksiXD
    @SnaksiXD Рік тому +48

    That Chronicles sequel would be sick especially now that the Sonic universe's locations have grown in numbers. Take out the real world aspect and a Chronicles sequel would sound awesome. Just as long as Penders would take the money and not mix his Archie creations into the world. The Chronicles world would become a great "non-canon" parallel Sonic universe much like Sonic X, Boom, Archie and Prime.

    • @benmalsky9834
      @benmalsky9834 Рік тому +6

      Here’s hoping one day Sega will go “Shut up and take you’re money!” and we’ll see all the characters he claimed for himself used again one day.

    • @vigorouslethargy
      @vigorouslethargy Рік тому +6

      Nah, I think we just need to have another go at a Sonic RPG from the ground up. Just have Sega make sure any new characters are Penders-proof and move forward with it.

    • @mitchellhancock7920
      @mitchellhancock7920 Рік тому +4

      Prime is actually supposed to be canon.

    • @Prime_Legend
      @Prime_Legend Рік тому +2

      @@mitchellhancock7920 There's way too many contradictions for prime to be canon. At best, it's secondary canon, meaning the main game canon can pull some stuff from there without the whole thing being canon.

    • @mitchellhancock7920
      @mitchellhancock7920 Рік тому +1

      ​@@Prime_LegendJust look it up and see for yourself.

  • @JadenFox9
    @JadenFox9 Рік тому +10

    per usual, the story of Archie and Penders, remember to have iron clad contacts and keep 'em on hand, you never know when you'll end up with a Chronicles situation, shame really, Shade was alright and would've been interesting to see them interact with the Koco

  • @maisydog
    @maisydog Рік тому +8

    Thank you sooo much for revealing how the cliffhanger would've been resolved. I loved the fitst game and always wondered what the next game would've been. Its a shame what Ken Penders did to the Sonic franchise!

  • @Adam-ds1ik
    @Adam-ds1ik Рік тому +6

    "I'm not an unreasonable man"- a man selling nft's

  • @Luigis_Menace
    @Luigis_Menace Рік тому +59

    God bless this channel for its hard work

  • @Maplestarknight
    @Maplestarknight Рік тому +74

    Ken Penders saying he OWNS a Color Shifted Knuckles. and making NFTs of him. This is the easiest legal case in the world what is Wrong with SEGA.

    • @zeldaglitchman
      @zeldaglitchman Рік тому +9

      It's not as easy as you would think. I can't remember all of the details, but basically it was a miscommunication between the comics publisher and Sega that the characters weren't immediately copyrighted by Sega and Ken quickly claimed them as his own and they couldn't really do anything after he did that.

    • @inkdragoon4547
      @inkdragoon4547 Рік тому +24

      ​@@zeldaglitchmanIt's still an NFT of Green Knuckles. It's not even meant to be a different character, it's just Knuckles, but green. It's even called a Green Knuckles NFT for Pete's sake!

    • @SubwaySpyro
      @SubwaySpyro Рік тому +3

      Maybe he did it purely to try to bait Sega into talking about Julie-Su/Shade. NFTs are a stupid gray legal area I imagine so he can use profiting from one to bolster the ownership claims on his work or alternatively (if things come back at him unfavorably) back away the other in terms of any ownership related to Knuckles as a character because “It’s just a link to an image I own, bro.”. He already says he aims to have a not-Knuckles stand-in named “K’nox” whenever he talks about his Lara-Su comic he’s never gonna deliver on.

    • @101Bijou
      @101Bijou Рік тому +1

      Really though, do you see anyone actually buying these? I've heard he was gonna list them for 100k each, which I doubt anyone would be silly enough to buy. All this tells me is that he's one of the greedy artists that fell for the NFT meme. Plus, I'd say Sega would be inclined to do anything only if he actually makes a profit, which I doubt.

    • @biohazardbin
      @biohazardbin Рік тому +2

      @@HyenaITG L take, sorry

  • @mickycohen9152
    @mickycohen9152 Рік тому +3

    11:54 Editor's Note:WTF!?
    I love this guy...

  • @BlitzX9
    @BlitzX9 Рік тому +9

    As much as people criticize Sonic Chronicles i kinda like how cinematic the story would have wrapped up

  • @MoonPrincess28
    @MoonPrincess28 Рік тому +3

    Penders and his shinannigans is a deep rabbit hole. The tl;dr is that he's very much disliked. His shinannigans has been well documented and he's pretty infamous.

  • @Forever_Zero
    @Forever_Zero Рік тому +27

    I guess Ken Penders has a point, he's just protecting his hard work...
    "he's also selling NFTs for 100k"
    Nop, that's just greed right there

    • @benmalsky9834
      @benmalsky9834 Рік тому

      Screw him

    • @b.parker1740
      @b.parker1740 Рік тому +11

      Also, I'd love to see how he argued that the concept of "The Twilight Zone" was his own creation...when, even in the most generous of readings, he named an in comics universe area after a long-running anthology TV series made by Rod Serling in the 50's and 60's. That alone should've been a sign things weren't on the up and up there.

  • @Deraphim
    @Deraphim Рік тому +6

    I was not expecting a surprise Ken Penders villain reveal

  • @OnePunchYume
    @OnePunchYume Рік тому +3

    Penders being annoying aside, I'm glad we got to here more of Sonic Chronicles plot.

  • @WaddleMoogle
    @WaddleMoogle Рік тому +19

    Considering her description, I wonder if Sister Sonic was a prototype Rouge the Bat of some kind. Not that Rouge was literally the playable character mind you, rather that this cancelled idea was still on Sega's mind and they wanted to revisit the concept when they eventually created the character.

    • @abm128
      @abm128 Рік тому

      nah rouge was created alongside shadow

    • @galten7361
      @galten7361 Рік тому +1

      It's just a sexy femme fatale woman character who happens to have a "rough" job like being a thief or a bounty hunter. It's not like there weren't plenty other character before and after Rouge who can fit for that.

  • @OstianOwl
    @OstianOwl Рік тому +94

    Funny how all of Ken Penders' honestly fair points about protecting creations from big businesses were completely derailed by the mere mention of his NFTs.

    • @AkumaTh
      @AkumaTh Рік тому +37

      While you could believe that, I have to side with the big businesses in the first place because those stories only got as popular as they were with the connection to Sonic. Remove the Sonic and nobody has shown interest in his work. Even his supposed NFTs (which as far as I know never got released) uses the Sonic designs and not his own Lara-Su Chronicles Design.
      The guy is trying to own this work because its the only work that gave him notoriety. His own original properties nobody really cares about. He's been working on that Chronicle book for who knows how long and we've seen many other people not in the business releasing new comics and even animations , multiple of them, before he even released one issue.
      Honestly, if he does release those NFTs, I wouldn't be surprised Sega would take him to court and actually do what Archie failed to do: prove they ain't his.

    • @benmalsky9834
      @benmalsky9834 Рік тому +5

      Can you say double standard?

    • @pikachufrankie
      @pikachufrankie Рік тому +10

      When you work in someone else’s kitchen, you can’t claim ownership over the food. You used THEIR equipment, THEIR ingredients. Penders realistically should be allowed to use the characters for his own purposes, as should anyone, but I don’t think he should have legal ownership. Realistically, nobody should legally “own” a character, as much as they own the works that the character is in. Example: Sega owns Sonic Adventure 1, but if someone wants to use the character of Gamma in their own works, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to.

    • @AkumaTh
      @AkumaTh Рік тому +11

      @@pikachufrankie I think the ultimate issue is purpose for wanting to use said characters.
      If its for a passion project or a nice cameo, free game. If its solely to make money, then its the equivalent of those mobile games that steal assets to make a quick buck.
      Penders honestly feels like the later half since if he wanted to tell a story with said characters, he would have done so by now instead of pretending to release NFTs of characters with designs not even made by him (Shade in the example, and also Scourge since he only came up with Sonic with a Leather Jacket).

    • @pikachufrankie
      @pikachufrankie Рік тому

      @@AkumaTh What's wrong with someone using a pre-established character for their own purposes, even if it means making money on it?

  • @ImperfectXIII
    @ImperfectXIII Рік тому +4

    Ah, Sonic Chronicles. A topic so thoroughly baked in the PENDERS STENCH, it'll never wash off.

  • @Dremth
    @Dremth Рік тому +22

    Imagine if normal news media had this level of honest investigative journalism put into it.

  • @harrisonwillmoth5037
    @harrisonwillmoth5037 Рік тому +3

    I want to respect Ken Penders more than I do. The stories that he wrote in the earlier years of the Sonic Archie series are intriguing and lovable for children of that era undoubtedly, but then he starts copyrighting everything that he "created", preventing the production of so many great content pieces for the Sonic franchise and then everything falls apart. If only the guy knew how teamwork functions, you know, the attribute he IMPLIMENTED into so many of his stories.

  • @sheriffmouser7569
    @sheriffmouser7569 Рік тому +15

    Learning what would have happened in Sonic Chronicles 2 satisfied a little part of me that I didn't know I needed satisfying

  • @bioniclefan1
    @bioniclefan1 Рік тому +9

    Ken Penders, at it once again. Ruining all good things

  • @SupahBerry
    @SupahBerry Рік тому +7

    My take on the Oracle's motivation for making Argus gather all those sapient species in one place to eventually take him out was to test them so it could prepare them for something even bigger a threat than Argus.

  • @connorbeith3232
    @connorbeith3232 Рік тому +7

    Wonder if, had it released, Sister Sonic would've remained canon or simply been added to the pile of non-canon games like Mean Bean Machine, Knuckles Chaotix, and Sonic Chronicles. Now knowing about Playful Mail's history with Sega, I'd love to see Mail appear as a guest in a Sega crossover title someday.

  • @laggory
    @laggory Рік тому +3

    Somehow, just showing a picture of Pen Kenders is just enough to explain as to why Sonic Chronicles 2 didn't get made

  • @jackwintle7683
    @jackwintle7683 Рік тому +4

    Ken Penders: Claims he's not an unreasonable man.
    Also Ken Penders: Charges $100,000 for an nft.

  • @seriousspikesam7770
    @seriousspikesam7770 9 місяців тому +1

    Thank you, Ken Penders. That's another reason for people to despise you.
    A Nitrome Sonic game? They have a ton of fun game to play around (Test Subject Blue/Green/Final, Final Ninja, 7 games in 1... and ironically Nitrome Must Die.)
    Maybe that could still be made as a celebration of sorts? It all depends on SEGA now. I feel it would fit well with the other upcoming titles.

  • @hotsoup4605
    @hotsoup4605 Рік тому +4

    Thank you for shedding light on what happened to the sonic chronicles sequel, I've always wondered why the never came bsck to that. I hope SEGA can start fresh and make a new sonic RPG

  • @Superboologan1
    @Superboologan1 Рік тому +1

    Ken penders really the kinda guy to hear someone calling him a wahsed up hack for making nfts of his sonic ocs, and respond "well that's just your opinion"

  • @Brawler1993
    @Brawler1993 Рік тому +4

    I've admittedly soured on Sonic Chronicles over the years but it is still a shame that all this legal trouble is the only thing that stopped the sequel from happening. The concept sounds awesome; hopefully, Sega gives the Sonic RPG formula another try but with a new idea that doesn't involve litigious echidnas.

  • @KiraSlith
    @KiraSlith Рік тому +2

    14:00 ultimately the issue with giving Penders his way on the copyrights is wrong in it's own right. Most of those concepts were Sonic-ified takes on existing tropes from other comics of the time, and even the "Twilight Zone" is literally a reference to the show of the same name. It's effectively made anything involving ALL of the characters' origins a big void Sega can't touch.

  • @theabsolutecat915
    @theabsolutecat915 Рік тому +5

    Ken Penders hawking $100K NFTs a year after the market died to "prove" his copyright over the character is the most Ken Penders thing I've ever heard,

  • @KhaozDeluxe
    @KhaozDeluxe 9 місяців тому +2

    I really want a Sonic Chronicles 2 it would’ve been so phenomenal in my opinion!😭
    I loved the game when I was younger and I will admit that it’s flawed but I personally loved its story and characters so much in my opinion.

  • @Ihartwalrusguy
    @Ihartwalrusguy Рік тому +20

    I always wonder why Sega didn’t task Atlus to do a sequel to Sonic Chronicles…
    I’m mean Mario had 3 RPG series under his belt at the time, why hasn’t Sega gave another Sonic RPG by now?

    • @justsomeguy7077
      @justsomeguy7077 Рік тому +6

      Ken Penders

    • @X2011racer
      @X2011racer Рік тому +10

      One of Pender's demands after winning the lawsuit is that Sega be barred from making another Sonic RPG ever again.

    • @Josuh
      @Josuh Рік тому

      @@X2011racer That sucks but i doubt that would actually stop them forever, closest thing would be the Colors DS side missions or some shit

    • @X2011racer
      @X2011racer Рік тому

      @@Josuh Penders didn't say all RPGs outright, so we have Atlus' RPGs and Yakuza to fill the void.

    • @JadenFox9
      @JadenFox9 Рік тому +1

      SEGA seems to have an off hand approach when it comes to studios they own other than Sonic Team

  • @pestydesperado8771
    @pestydesperado8771 Рік тому +2

    nitrome was the core of my flash game experience as a kid, awesome to hear them mentioned in a video for the first time

  • @kallus2179
    @kallus2179 Рік тому +22

    You guys should look into the development of Chaotix next, there was a thread on Sonic Retro about how weird it was, there's a lot of things there to be uncovered I think. I'd give it a read.

    • @goranisacson2502
      @goranisacson2502 Рік тому

      Hadn't heard about that- was there anything particularly weird about it, or was it just that it was a game being developed in the chaotic Saturn-adjacent years and so chaos kinda followed in its wake automatically?

    • @kallus2179
      @kallus2179 Рік тому

      ​@@goranisacson2502 Weirdest thing has to be how it originally featured Sonic and Tails, and was going to be on the Sega Saturn, but the project ended up being hastily reworked on the 32x, mostly because SOA needed games for it. Once they decided that, the original game that Chaotix stemmed from ceased to be. One former developer spoke of this pre-Chaotix stuff as being a 'cancelled' project which is pretty interesting, almost like it was considered a completely different game.

    • @DJCube1701
      @DJCube1701 Рік тому +2

      ​@@kallus2179the development of Chaotix started on the Mega Drive, there are some leaked prototypes called "Sonic Crackers".

    • @kallus2179
      @kallus2179 Рік тому

      @@DJCube1701 Well yeah, but it was on the Saturn according to former SOA CEO Tom Kalinske. He described the decision to "move it to the 32x" as splitting it into parts and introducing it quickly on the 32x. It seemed like it started life on the Mega Drive and moved over to the Saturn later. I really would suggest reading the thread "The Enigma that is Knuckles Chaotix's development" over on the Sonic Retro forums, lots of interesting information and revelations about it are there

  • @motxmod
    @motxmod Рік тому +6

    Something not mentioned in regards to the legal issues behind Chronicles as it's may be more well known with the Sonic fandom than with others. The comic publisher Archie had lost their copy of their contract with Penders. Obviously Ken and his legal team would not privide his copy if he still has it as that would have been the bad for his case. That contract would have been the lynchpin stating that Sega owned any characters created by Ken for the comic. Its standard fare in the comic industry.
    The result of Penders v. Archie is why the comics had a massive reboot known as the Super Genesis Wave which nuked EVERYTHING.

    • @kaitoudark1
      @kaitoudark1 Рік тому +2

      If there was mention of a contract, then the court could and should have subpoenaed him for it, or rejected his claim if he didn't provide it. Otherwise they were just going by hearsay.

  • @Alex-95-Gaming
    @Alex-95-Gaming Рік тому +7

    Wow, Ken failing at every point. Good job.

  • @MAHIM2000
    @MAHIM2000 Рік тому +1

    Now with all that information we got about these cancelled Sonic games WITH Plots and Gameplay footage/mechanics, its just a matter of time until we get to see fanmade games or mods of these cancelled games. Great video btw

  • @TheJebusCheese
    @TheJebusCheese Рік тому +4

    "and Sega couldn't convince a judge that Ken was off his rocker"
    Lmao, Mr. Sue is seething rn

  • @juiceDpunk983
    @juiceDpunk983 Рік тому +2

    That Sonic Chronicles 2 plot sounds great! I always wanted a sequel :(

  • @TheRetroReplay
    @TheRetroReplay Рік тому +9

    You got the Ken Penders lawsuits incorrect, he won the Penders vs Archie due to Archie's lawyer being incompetent and couldn't find his original contract. The lawsuit against EA and Sega was thrown out twice and the appeals court upheld that judge's ruling of throwing it out, because Penders let the statue of limitation run out, he can only file a new lawsuit if Sega uses the characters from Chronicles again, Sega is more than likely not using those characters not because they would lose, they'd win hands down, but they don't want the legal headache, which is probably why Penders is claiming that he owns Shade even though she looks nothing like Julie-Su and doesn't legally own her or any Dark Brotherhood. He also planned to sue Paramount for Sonic the Hedgehog 2 for giving Knuckles a father but never did because he'd lose that one as well

    • @YujiUedaFan
      @YujiUedaFan Рік тому +1

      Actually, the Archie contract papers got destroyed in a fire.

    • @VertebreakHER
      @VertebreakHER Рік тому +2

      Important to note also Pender's case against EA and Sega was thrown out twice because he attempted to sidestep legal procedure when the judge didn't give him the result he wanted. When he refiled, he got given the same judge who called for the same ruling. Trying to game the system was a major factor in why the appeals court upheld the ruling to throw it out. (And truly we don't even know if he'd be in the right to sue again under any circumstance, since we have only Ken's word to go on.)
      Most people really don't bring up these details enough, so I gotta appreciate you speaking up on it!

  • @JoeyJ0J0
    @JoeyJ0J0 Рік тому +4

    Ken Penders is what would happen if Chris Chan got into making real sonic comics

  • @katking9574
    @katking9574 Рік тому +15

    why would you ever thank Ken Penders?

    • @ghoulchan7525
      @ghoulchan7525 Рік тому +2

      It was just a common courtesy. To thank him for taking time out of his day to respond for a UA-cam video. Nothing more i guess

  • @TheGreatGonzales777
    @TheGreatGonzales777 Рік тому +1

    WHAT A BUMMER ABOUT SONIC CHRONICLES 2…. I played the heck out of that game….. Ken Penders you son of a….

  • @Infindox
    @Infindox Рік тому +3

    Even though Chronicles wasn't all that great, I'm kinda mad that they dind't get to do what they wanted. That idea sounded great.

  • @BlazeHeartPanther
    @BlazeHeartPanther Рік тому +2

    Its hard to take a guy seriously when he names his character "Julie-SUE"

  • @sehtuk3953
    @sehtuk3953 Рік тому +7

    Man hearing how good SEGA's reception to Bioware's work on Sonic bums me out cause the stuff they had planned sounded really cool and it would've been a really good shake-up for Knuckles' status quo.
    Ken Penders forever remains one of the biggest losers ever in the comic industry.

  • @Etnaese
    @Etnaese Місяць тому +1

    A shame that there won't more of the Sonic RPG storyline. Liked alot about it and hate to see it stop due to greed.

  • @legacytag
    @legacytag Рік тому +11

    I was like "Ok, he's wrong but I guess I can see where Ken is coming from" until you said NFT then I was just like--Dude no-
    Miles Holmes was right when he said that Ken shouldn't act as if he has the legal claim to an IP he's creating content for when the IP itself is not his own.

    • @the-NightStar
      @the-NightStar Рік тому +4

      He never had a good point. He was a delusional and paranoid maniac with a victim complex who was never in the right and never had a leg to stand on in any way. That's like saying that Chis-chan had a point trying to copyright Sonichu, beliving himself to be some "victim of corporate greed", it's laughable.

    • @YujiUedaFan
      @YujiUedaFan Рік тому +1

      Would a sane man go out of their way to destroy their biggest contribution to the comic book industry? Would a sane man lecture kids not to copyright their OCs, only to wind up doing the exact same thing? Would a sane man make NFTs? I think not!

  • @jank.906
    @jank.906 2 місяці тому +1

    It's kinda frustrating that Sonic Chronicles will never be continued...

  • @jdb2002
    @jdb2002 Рік тому +16

    I wonder if the ideas for the Sister Sonic character were reused for Rogue

    • @LordTchernobog
      @LordTchernobog Рік тому +5

      Tomb Raider, but with Rouge the Bat

    • @benmalsky9834
      @benmalsky9834 Рік тому +6

      A sexy female bounty Hunter, sounds like Rouge to me.

    • @ScatterbrainPete
      @ScatterbrainPete Рік тому +7

      @@benmalsky9834 I'd play a Falcom-style action RPG starring Rouge. Bonus point, if it has 16-bit style retro graphics. Someone should contact Sega and pitch this idea to them.

  • @scrimblocoded
    @scrimblocoded Рік тому +1

    Take a shot every time doki doki panic is explained in a gaming video

  • @greatestutuberhd
    @greatestutuberhd Рік тому +6

    That was always something about the Sister Sonic story that never added up. It was changed back to Popful Mail because of Falcom fans, so if the game truly was an American localization, then where did all of those US Falcom fans come from?

  • @josiebianchi3481
    @josiebianchi3481 Рік тому +2

    Wait... Nitrome? Like, Skywire Nitrome? Fuck yeah those guys deserve recognition their games were every gen-z kid's elementary school computer time go-to's.

  • @RaditzSayian
    @RaditzSayian Рік тому +6

    Love your content. Always happy to get that notification!

  • @BritBox777
    @BritBox777 Рік тому +1

    I had no idea who Ken was but I have seen his face on multiple videos called "The man who destroyed a franchise" etc etc. So I knew what was up the second he appeared.