Dune Club II: Dune Messiah Session 6/6 Pg 277-331 Recap & Lesson
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2020
- ► About: Dune Club II is a book club discussing Frank Herbert's Dune Messiah, the 2nd book in his Dune Series. In the final session we discuss pages 277-331.
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dont know if you'll ever see this, but thank you for doing this series.
Just finished reading Dune Messiah, and wow those last 30 pages had me bawling!!! What a beautiful - and tragic! - piece of writing.
I now work at a job where I can listen to audiobooks while I work and I’ve listened to the first two Dune books knowing I would listen to Dune Club after each book. Danika’s passion for this series was more than palpable after the first Dune Club and Messiah has been no different. Im so happy knowing the she fulfilled her wish of doing all six books and it why I’ll be listening to the entire series. Thank you Danika for your time and passion and passing on your love of these books to me and the internet!
Dune Club starts 14:27
I really appreciate this series because I have no one to talk to about dune without sounding like a psychopath
I am on a binge with Dune and you!! I am starting Children of Dune now. Thank you so much for what you have done and continue to do!!
This was great! Long live the readers! Thanks CBG19! Hard work.
Dude, what are you doing spoiling the next books? That being said, love the series and wish to see more. Kudos.
"Trash makes you taste good." Ah, I would be a delicacy! I am so happy i could come back to this book club. Thanks for not deleting/taking this away from us Danika! Dune means a lot to me, and to so many others!
I'm sort of a late Feydakin, I read the books after the Dune Clubs, but I was listening to each leasons as I advanced through the story. I read them all in spanish, so listening to the english leason brought a lot of context of some lost in translation points. Thank you for all the good work, hopefully you'll consider to do a New X-men club someday.
I teared up in the moment he goes to his wife!!!
Stop being a wuss.
@@dattebenforcer Have you read the book? If you are a husband and a father and you ask to go to your dead wife and have no empathy. I think you must have a hard heart.
If you have ever loved and lost I think you will realise how much pain he was in Made worse by him choosing it....!
@@tarkajedi3331 I read the book long before this show aired, and yes, I'm not a pussy. Go cry, emo kid.
@@dattebenforcer LOL - I guess you didnt have any feelings from the book... Shame!!!
@@dattebenforcer I hope the irony is not lost on you that you sound like what you say... Really you come across like a child.
When starting any attack first know yourself ...
I felt like Paul couldn't see his son in his visions because of what Leto will become, oracles are blind the one another and Leto II goes way beyond his father. I don't think that earlier passage from Paul was suggesting that Ghanima was meant to be the one who brought about the empire that would outshine his, it was always Leto II, Paul just couldn't see him in that future and therefore believed it would be his daughter's doing.
Paul was the Man that did his part in the Golden Path....
Your commentary was brilliant)))
Didn't he literally yeet that responsibility onto his son? Leto II said as much, Paul's only real contribution was to have children
@@blankmantm2501 Paul’s contribution was that he created the shitstorm in the first place because of his thirst for revenge. Then he had the arrogance to believe he could control it by having the power of emperor. He was sorely mistaken.
I am loving these old Dune Club uploads! Thank you Mx Danika!
1) Thank you for making this series. It's nice to be able to listen and talk about this series with a fan like you.
2) In an earlier video, you asked about the prequels and sequels by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson.
It's been a few years since I read them.
No spoilers.
First, comparing Anderson to the genius of Herbert is not fair. However.
The six prequels:
If you know what you're getting into, it's a fun ride. In short, lower you're expectations to a bit above popcorn-action flick/book, and you'll be about right. Plot-wise, eh, they're ok. Some of the plots are genuinely interesting. A young Baron Harkonnen. Though his style does seem to have less respect for the mystical for mysticism. My guess is that mindset makes little sense to him, when I think Frank understood that perspective.
The two sequels:
Plot-wise, I do think it is mostly loyal to what Frank intended it to be (climax, villains in general if not specifics, character actions, etc) . That may be controversial, but seriously, the *plot* builds appropriately with the themes Frank laid out, and reaches a natural end-and-balance-point to the Epic Saga of the Human Species Frank built based on the history of the Dune Universe.
The characters are... well, a bit stupider, less observant or reflective. Based on his writing style in the prequels, it's very Anderson.
Overall Plot is loyal to Frank's outline. It's not writing or a bad conclusion. But, if you lower your bar from Frank to popcorn action flick, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
If you're really, super interested in finding out *roughly* how Frank Herbert intended to end it, the sequels are worth reading. Just don't expect any of the insights, the wisdom, the learning, anything of the elevated Herbert style. Definately his plot though.
You can always tell when Danika is going on vacation because she just dumps a shit ton of old videos onto the channel. Like when you leave town and just empty a whole bag of cat food onto your cat's dish, like "here ya go motherfucker. Make it last."
pleeeeaaase continue with Dune Club! Missing it so much!
Just read dune and dune messiah b2b. Listened all sessions of dune club along the way. Thanks so much for doing this!! Helped me digest such a dense world the first go around. you were great!
Thanks for uploading these here, good to revisit the memories of a few summers back! The talk about The Fool made me think of the Farseer Trilogy by Robin Hobb, wonder if you've read those books before.
Nice to see you posting again
I read up to and including God Emperor of Dune about 10-15 years ago and still love listening to this book club b/c XIX's use of personal experience helps me understand and appreciate the story even more. Time to re-listen to the first session of Children of Dune Club :)
When Paul truly becomes blind because he could never see anything past Chani. She was his everything. Watching him break, but the final moment with Paul, Bijaz, and Duncan. I keep coming back to that choice. He thought he was making a choice of mercy for Chani. Comparing this scene to Chani's final moments it really makes you think about his choice to let her go. Was it really for Chani or was it Paul wanting to be done with everything. Was he tired of fighting. He had every inclination to save Chani, but he doesn't. I suppose he knows they would be subservient to the Tlilax. He couldn't let that happen. Perhaps that is why, but I expected him to take the offer much like Alia did. That conflict doesn't truly resolve and I love that.
I just finished this evening.... I think I liked this book better than the first one XD Already got the third one and ready to get started!! Wonderful analysis and thank you for doing these
I love watching these recaps and hear your thoughts on this but these spoilers out of no where really ruin it for future books
Too bad- these books have been out for 80 years and inspired most of our modern sci-fi. No excuse to complain about spoilers.
I just left a comment with the timestamps for all the spoilers. Hope that helps future viewers.
@@EarthlingTed cant find that comment with the timestamps
I adore the book club. This book left me sad but it was really good.
With how complex this series is, I'm amazed by how easy it is to read.
Frank Herbert is such a great author that the scenes literally jump off the page. Not a sentence wasted.
I blew through Dune in 8 days and I blew through Messiah in 4.
Cannot wait for Dune Club 3
I just got the end of this series and noticed that these are old videos and that children of dune club has already started yaaaay! :)
I loved DUNE Messiah. Very different tone from the first book and Frank Herbert had a lot of courage to take this path but it's very realistic and logical. I can't wait to get into Children of Dune.
A big thank you for keeping us company along the way. Your videos are very much appreciated. Keep up the passion beauty and see you on Dune Club III: Children of Dune.
This was amazing. Thanks. On to children of dune!
One thing I always think about with the last chapters is the ending of the first part of the children of dune mini series, and how they have the deaths of Mohiam, Edrich, and Korba while Chani is giving birth and they play the song, it’s such an emotional scene
Is there a Q&A for this last section somewhere? I’d really love to hear people’s thoughts on the sum of the book, I really enjoyed it
Thank you for this. I needed a little extra help, and now I can call myself a Dune fan. When can we expect Exorcist?
Love this part of the book))))
Awesome series ! I'm waiting for Dune Club III. When can we expect Children of Dune ?
Dune Club III: Children of Dune coming this August!
@@comicbookgirl19 Great news ! Thank you.
Yes! 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
I had so Hoped we would return to Arrakis together! This is the best flaming news I've heard in some time and I cannot even begin to express my jubilation! Thanks for asking the question fellow reader, and thank you for the the Update Danika.
The Hype Must Flow!!!
@@comicbookgirl19 How do we sign up?!
Dude this book was AWESOME
I had some negativity because I saw a lot of hate for this one but man, just a crazy ride!! Love it
I'm now excited for the Exorcist Club.
3rd evil smell, the other was before the stone burner went off. Also terraforming Arakis wasn't the dream of the Fremen it was given to them by Kynes so it was foreign to them before that.
I for one and not only ecstatic about Dune Club III, but I will surely return for Dune Club IV God Emperor.
I am in this Club until we complete the Six Herbert books, and I'll even adventure with you lot into the ones beyond.
Long Live the Readers!
The Hype Must Flow!
i remember reading the part where Paul is seeing thru his babies eyes for the first time and just getting chills. king shit by Herbert.
Please please please do a book club for The Expanse novels. I just finished the show on Amazon Prime and plan to start reading them once i finish Children of Dune. (Which i will be watching your book club for as well)
Love the content, but please be conscious of the spoilers. Lots of us reading this series for the first time.
Thank you
Ahhh series spoilers!
"The greatest thing... you'll ever learn... is just to love... and to love in return."
Epic Dune Club!!!!
So what do you think about the new movie trailer 2020
I just finished reading Dune Messiah and was very eager to watch this final session but there are a lot of comments about future spoilers being mentioned in the video so I think I'm going to have to pass. :( Unless the next viewers do the godly favor of time-stamping spoilers so we can skip it.
ugh damn these atreides :// so excited for Children of Dune Club
Isn't the fool card in tarot representing the Aquarius and Pisces signs?
those videos carried me through and helped me finish rereading dune and now dune messiah. Thank you! You are the best .
What the freak is up with all of these spoilers, I'm gonna have to wait to finish all the books to come back to these!
Seriously.
There were spoilers in previous sessions and I let them slide but this was too much. I won't be continuing Dune Club until I've read all the books :(
@@EarthlingTed time stamps? Now I’m scared to listen
@@jacksonliknes506 I'll see if I can find time to rewatch this and post timestamps for ya.
@@EarthlingTed much appreciated:) was it spoilers for the whole series or just Children of Dune?
Hair looks much better!
With the way 2020's been going you could easily do Dune clubs for God Emperor, Heretics and Chapter House all within this year, not like a lot of people got much else to do.
The wall is coming fast and hard for this one
The meaning of ganima, the name of pauls daughter, means treasure in Arabic. I hope you see this
Oh shit. I've been watching these out of order.
I am reading these books for the first time because of you. I can’t remember the last time I was emotional reading.
Spoiler:
The scene with his son’s vision, that was it for me. I didn’t expect it. I was thinking wow this is cool, but I couldn’t help feeling so sad lol. And the final parts with Paul in the desert.
And Alia and Duncan 💕
Please stop spoiling the future books 😭
😂😂😂😂😂 grow up
Amazing series.
You should talk about "The balad of songbirds and snakes", i belive you did make some videos about the hunger games a few years past. Either way, it is a great book, you should check it out.
Ok now I know hair don't grow that fast lol
wish it did
Surprised she hasn’t had a reaction video to the trailer.
I am absolutely gutted you let out those spoilers. Was cleaning the dishes and didn't have time to shut the vid off. Still love your content ❤ but damn
Tragedy of Paul is only overshadowed by the tragedy of his son.
I cried when Chani died 😢😢
Love listening to these. Only question/complaint regards spoilers: you give away the end of CoD/premise of GEoD a few times, and I'm not sure why.
Lucky for me I'm on a reread, but I can't imagine I'd have been happy knowing what was spoiled before I even started Children.
Great work otherwise, and thank you for your contribution to the community :)
thanks for the heads up. I haven't read either of those yet
Epic ending it broke me. If I had to see my partner die it would break me. But to know and not be able to stop it. Even though he has the kids. I jump straight into children of dune.
happy belated 33rd birthday.
I Am Groot!
Apex Babies is a great band name.
As sad as the ending can be I find myself rather liking the ending...I have to ready myself for whats to come however sigh
I literally named my cat Ghanima
Paul lost a few points with me by letting Chani die alone. Cowboy up and go hold her hand bro, she's literally doing all the work. All you have to do is be there to hold her hand. He sucks for that.
He really had to tell her "You are going to die, bitch. I knew all along and let my wife give you the contraceptives. Your last moments won't be about the giving birth, I will bring you even more stress and wach you accept the fact you have no time left in life with the planet, with me, with our children. Bye queen.".
Everybody: So, uh, Comic book girl 19 hasn't uploaded a video for a while...
[1:50:20] Reminded me of... ☺✌
“Our rulers, who rule our symbols, and so rule a symbolic class of life, impose their own infantilism on our instituitions, educational methods, and doctrines. This leads to maladjustment of the incoming generations which, being born into, are forced to develop under the un-natural (for man) semantic conditions imposed on them. In turn, they produce leaders afflicted with the old animalistic limitations. The vicious circle is completed; it results in a general state of human un-sanity, reflected again in our instituitions. And so it goes, on and on.”
-Alfred Korzybski,
📖: ‘Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics’
Dam that hair tho......wait a minute you don't have hair tho hey what kind of sorcery is this!? 😂
You need to listen to Allen Watts.
i LOVE Alan Watts, have you listened to Akira the Don's Wattswave albums? They are so good
@@comicbookgirl19 No, I have not!!! I will have to look them up on UA-cam? My question to you is this: What do you think Alan Watts was trying to say, the boiled down message. I have my theory, but I think he was actually scrupulous about saying, for fear of being thought crazy. I would be pleased if you could give it some thought and red rover red rover send your theory over!!!
Okay either that is the most impressive wig on earth or your shampoo was made in Hogwarts.
She stopped being a nazi I guess.
Just a bit of constructive criticism can you please be better with spoilers. You have thrown in two spoilers from the next book in so casually...one without a spoiler warning and another with so little time I couldn’t pause or do anything to avoid it. I have no idea how significant the spoilers are but it’s irritating to come here to focus on Dune and Dune Messiah and for no reason you’re jumping ahead. I think it would be better to go with a: “Remember this detail, it’ll be important” xx EDIT: Hadn’t finished the video and there’s just been a whole bunch more - just thrown in - so frustrating.
Agreed, less spoilers.
Hair? NO!
oh, dumping tons of videos on a row. Unsubscription earned! Fuck my feed.
MEH
Whats going on with all the spam videos , this channel has posted more then 6 videos in a row.
I moved all these over from a defunct page, it was a mighty burden.
full of spoilers for the next books disgusting swallowing in front of the mic sniffing every 5 minutes , I'm sorry it wasn't pleasant to listen, not at all
What a vid dump. A bit of a burden on a subscription feed aren't we.
Yeah well, i don't give a shit. Its easier on me to just get this over with all at once vs having to prolong this all fucking week and do one daily. I'm sure you'll survive. This was a major pain in the ass to download and upload and redo all the titles, descriptions,. thumbnails etc to the main page.
Why is it a burden? This way you can choose to watch this at your own pace. For me, I’m binging
Same Daniel,
I'd recently been revisiting Dune Club and then I couldn't find the ones for Dune Club Messiah and I was worried they were lost to the internet.
The timing was interesting, because Danika downloaded these almost immediately after I had given up my search.
Fucking Brilliant