To be fair he's right I tried it when I was renting a Lexus for 2 weeks I tried to get used to it, but I get more pissed every single time I have to drive.
The Supra should’ve been the Toyota Version Lexus LC with the LS Twin Turbo 3.5V6 since the MK4 was The Lexus SC but, I get it would’ve been expensive. So The RC would’ve made more sense for The Supra! All Toyota had to do was put The Twin Turbo 3.5 from the Lexus LS in here! It didn’t need to have an Inline 6 that bad & The Supra has always been a 2+2 Coupe! Also The Scion TC should’ve been the Toyota Celica after Scion was killed off!
Supra purists will revolt if Toyota tried that...they'll complain that it doesn't have an i6 like every other Supra before did. Now those people are complaining that the Supra has now become a BMW. I guess you can't please everyone.
What? No… The B58 has been proven very strong platform and BMW makes the best in-line 6 engine currently. Straight 6 makes the Supra what it is. I think Toyota should have just put more effort into making the chassis more of their own rather than using the Z4. As someone who initially didn’t think the BMW x Toyota collab was great for the Supra, (and I own BMWs) now it makes sense why they did it.
The touchpad rant was effing HILARIOUS! Most had the same opinion, but unable to put it as succinctly. 😈 The Supra comparison is extremely thought provoking; I think you're right, but I'll need to chew on that one for a bit. The RWD RC 350 had rear-wheel steering too, so it really could have been the next Supra. Very interesting take... Thanks for posting, great review!
W-why does a car have a touch pad? I'll never understand newer cars and I build computers... You are 100% right that this should have been the new Supra though. The SC300 in the mid 90's was the famous MKIV Supra only with less power on a cut-down version of the same 2JZ engine (and MUCH MUCH cheaper now, not a bad car to pick up!)
stupid waste of my money these "Infotainment" systems I want a good sound system with Bluetooth that's all. Everything else they cram in there? Dont need it...
I love the RC, even the touchpad. I own a 2019 so I’m biased. However the RC could never be a Supra. A straight six is a must. And the RC platform is too heavy for a true sports car. The RC is a luxury coupe.
I often wondered why Toyota didn't just develop a turbocharged version of the 2GR engine for the Supra - the 2GR was LITERALLY the replacement for the 2JZ. Toyota made a GR variant fitted to a RWD car with a 6 speed manual covered in carbon, but it only released in Japan :( There was also a special version which made 360hp! You could say "ohhh but it's all about straight 6", but when the Nissan GTR changed to a V6 nobody complained.
@@alouisschafer7212 They went with BMW because they wanted a straight 6 engine, but didn't want to spend money developing one. But the cost in royalties to BMW would surely be more than just turbo charging the 2GR. Would have been a hell of an engine. Lotus uses a supercharged version of the 2GR that makes well over 400hp. Twin turbo would make it easily 500-600hp.
Had the chance to drive an RC350 FSport AWD and have to agree. It's a fantastic car in a lot of ways. The Mark Levinson sound system is the best sound system I've ever heard in any car. Definitely would be a perfect car if it didn't have the touchpad and if it was RWD.
From the rumor mill the Supra has always had an inline 6 and Toyota wasn't going to develop a sports car from the ground up due to cost. I agree with you Zach and like I said that was from the rumor mill.
Is there a huge difference between the F Sport and the normal trim? Does that difference justify the F Sport's price tag, or should I save money and buy the normal trim?
Due to the fact that this is 2016, it has the older outdated infotainment system which doesn't offer Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. Toyota didn't offer it until 2020. Newer redesigned models no longer have CD players
It’s possible they considered making this the Supra but couldn’t get aesthetics dialed in. Maybe they couldn’t design a body around the chassis and suspension that didn’t look wonky.
You know As a rc350 owner I didn't like the touch pad comment lol annnnnd then you killed it with that supra comment 👏 👍💯 my rc350 is heavily modified you should come do a video on mine 😉
Like that steering wheel, my 2016 Toyota Corolla Sport doesn't have the word 'SPORT' on the steering wheel & I wish it did...but at least it doesn't have a f*ck#ng touch pad!
As an RCF owner, I disagree with this whole idea that this platform should've been the new supra. Especially the 350. That thing is underpowered for it's weight. The RCF is plenty fast, but I still don't think it should've been the supra. I think it does very well being in a category of it's own. The 2GR would have to go for it to be even close to a supra. The B58 is a great engine, regardless of whether or not it's a Toyota. Way more tunable than the 2gr has ever been. The 2GR is so hard to get any power out of without shelling out $10k for a supercharger.
I can feel that plastic through the screen. The sliding tachometer is cool but unnecessary. Lexus used to be great but now is sort of forgotten. Imagine if they'd leaned more into their F division and benchmarked the M3 and SL AMG just like they did for the original LS400 with the S-Class. Toyota knows how to build good stuff, they're just too cautious to really go all out. Touchscreens were mature technology in 2016. There's no reason why Lexus has been fussing with the trackpad and joystick-mouse thing for so long.
Yes yes yes! I hate that Fing mouse pad. Oh my god. I’ve had this car for 5 years and every second I have to use that stupid thing is misery. But overall I am in love with this car. So I can look past its faults.
The wife's car is a '15 GS350. Same engine, and apparently the same platform from the b-pillars back (I guess the RC is IS from the b-pillars forward and GS from the pillars back with a little bit of bracing from the IS-C, or something). Love the thing. Feels every bit of its nearly 4k pound curb weight, but in a good, planted, solid sort of way. Also surprisingly nimble, and genuinely fast. Very easy to get large speeding tickets cuz it just goes and is so stable and confident. Wonderful car, and I would really like to replace it with an RC when the time comes.
Isn’t the RC Lexus cars based on the same platform as the FRS/BRZ? That may be why they didn’t use it for the Mk 5 Supra, going to the same proverbial well one time too many. Toyota was pretty dead set on using a straight-six, even if they bought the engine from BMW, works it even fit into that engine bay?
@@MandusahRamirez stock Mk5 Supra is a rocket ship compared to a stock Mk4 Supra... And its a damn nice car. I dont see a problem having the Supra name on it. I dont understand why they didn't just make their own engine and went to BMW though.
(Lists 2 engines within the same engine family and with the same displacement code) Guyth i thwear they're comphlethely dipherrenth Moreover, all the vehicles listed use the 2GR-FKS now iirc
You don't see Zach cussing out a touchpad everyday.
To be fair he's right I tried it when I was renting a Lexus for 2 weeks I tried to get used to it, but I get more pissed every single time I have to drive.
😭Zach cussing got me crying yo
I was zoned out the. I hear “this f*u* touchpad”
True, it should've been the Supra. Such a nice interior and sound system tho. Plus : CDs forever!
The Supra should’ve been the Toyota Version Lexus LC with the LS Twin Turbo 3.5V6 since the MK4 was The Lexus SC but, I get it would’ve been expensive. So The RC would’ve made more sense for The Supra! All Toyota had to do was put The Twin Turbo 3.5 from the Lexus LS in here! It didn’t need to have an Inline 6 that bad & The Supra has always been a 2+2 Coupe! Also The Scion TC should’ve been the Toyota Celica after Scion was killed off!
TC=Toyota celica
@@emmanuelalva6597 It stood for “Touring Coupe”…🥱
100%.
Supra purists will revolt if Toyota tried that...they'll complain that it doesn't have an i6 like every other Supra before did. Now those people are complaining that the Supra has now become a BMW. I guess you can't please everyone.
What? No… The B58 has been proven very strong platform and BMW makes the best in-line 6 engine currently. Straight 6 makes the Supra what it is. I think Toyota should have just put more effort into making the chassis more of their own rather than using the Z4. As someone who initially didn’t think the BMW x Toyota collab was great for the Supra, (and I own BMWs) now it makes sense why they did it.
I like that fact this car seems so new... yet so old.. and I feel the same way with most of the "pad" style center thingamajiggys. Especially lexus.
The touchpad rant was effing HILARIOUS! Most had the same opinion, but unable to put it as succinctly. 😈 The Supra comparison is extremely thought provoking; I think you're right, but I'll need to chew on that one for a bit. The RWD RC 350 had rear-wheel steering too, so it really could have been the next Supra. Very interesting take... Thanks for posting, great review!
Wait till you drive an RC-F. It's got a 5.0 V8 in it. I drive one, it's a blast!
Prices on them have freaking skyrocketed, I would love one.
W-why does a car have a touch pad? I'll never understand newer cars and I build computers...
You are 100% right that this should have been the new Supra though. The SC300 in the mid 90's was the famous MKIV Supra only with less power on a cut-down version of the same 2JZ engine (and MUCH MUCH cheaper now, not a bad car to pick up!)
stupid waste of my money these "Infotainment" systems
I want a good sound system with Bluetooth that's all. Everything else they cram in there? Dont need it...
Honestly, great review. Like the new camera angles. Keep up the videos!
You love the TouchPad I see
I love the RC, even the touchpad. I own a 2019 so I’m biased. However the RC could never be a Supra. A straight six is a must. And the RC platform is too heavy for a true sports car. The RC is a luxury coupe.
I often wondered why Toyota didn't just develop a turbocharged version of the 2GR engine for the Supra - the 2GR was LITERALLY the replacement for the 2JZ.
Toyota made a GR variant fitted to a RWD car with a 6 speed manual covered in carbon, but it only released in Japan :(
There was also a special version which made 360hp!
You could say "ohhh but it's all about straight 6", but when the Nissan GTR changed to a V6 nobody complained.
Yeah like why didn't they just do it themselves and went to BMW instead?
@@alouisschafer7212 They went with BMW because they wanted a straight 6 engine, but didn't want to spend money developing one. But the cost in royalties to BMW would surely be more than just turbo charging the 2GR. Would have been a hell of an engine. Lotus uses a supercharged version of the 2GR that makes well over 400hp. Twin turbo would make it easily 500-600hp.
The bfb test... still haven't seen a car pass it. Not sure I'd want a car that could
Had the chance to drive an RC350 FSport AWD and have to agree. It's a fantastic car in a lot of ways. The Mark Levinson sound system is the best sound system I've ever heard in any car. Definitely would be a perfect car if it didn't have the touchpad and if it was RWD.
From the rumor mill the Supra has always had an inline 6 and Toyota wasn't going to develop a sports car from the ground up due to cost. I agree with you Zach and like I said that was from the rumor mill.
Heck yeah definitely another good and honest review of the car.
You never mentioned sport plus
People say this car is slow but it has similar numbers of the other N/A v6s so how is it slow
Is there a huge difference between the F Sport and the normal trim? Does that difference justify the F Sport's price tag, or should I save money and buy the normal trim?
It seems you don’t like the touch pad. Tell me more about that.
My 2018 Toyota Corolla SE has the same jigsaw shifter. Being the SE trim it has sport mode as well.
My 2022 Taco has the same and I love it. Just simple and works.
I drove a silver one and the naturally aspirated engine sounds great
Pro-tip - turn that ASC off! It has an intake sound tube anyway. Totally unnecessary, and it sounds better without it.
It seems only luxury or the higher trim sedans have rear climate controls. Of course, the Toyota Corolla does not
Due to the fact that this is 2016, it has the older outdated infotainment system which doesn't offer Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. Toyota didn't offer it until 2020. Newer redesigned models no longer have CD players
I just bought a brand new 2024 RC 350 and it amazingly still came with a CD player!
As a BMW fan, I really like the MK.V supra. It's the best BMW being made today.
I always would’ve liked to see an AWD Supra but still with a manual transmission.
It’s possible they considered making this the Supra but couldn’t get aesthetics dialed in. Maybe they couldn’t design a body around the chassis and suspension that didn’t look wonky.
You know As a rc350 owner I didn't like the touch pad comment lol annnnnd then you killed it with that supra comment 👏 👍💯 my rc350 is heavily modified you should come do a video on mine 😉
Guys, I think Zack hates the touchpad, I'm not sure tho
Like that steering wheel, my 2016 Toyota Corolla Sport doesn't have the word 'SPORT' on the steering wheel & I wish it did...but at least it doesn't have a f*ck#ng touch pad!
As an RCF owner, I disagree with this whole idea that this platform should've been the new supra. Especially the 350. That thing is underpowered for it's weight. The RCF is plenty fast, but I still don't think it should've been the supra. I think it does very well being in a category of it's own. The 2GR would have to go for it to be even close to a supra. The B58 is a great engine, regardless of whether or not it's a Toyota. Way more tunable than the 2gr has ever been. The 2GR is so hard to get any power out of without shelling out $10k for a supercharger.
7:15 Well, no one’s gonna top that…
I can feel that plastic through the screen. The sliding tachometer is cool but unnecessary. Lexus used to be great but now is sort of forgotten. Imagine if they'd leaned more into their F division and benchmarked the M3 and SL AMG just like they did for the original LS400 with the S-Class. Toyota knows how to build good stuff, they're just too cautious to really go all out.
Touchscreens were mature technology in 2016. There's no reason why Lexus has been fussing with the trackpad and joystick-mouse thing for so long.
I think they are gotten for enthusiasts, but that was never their target audience. They sell a ton, more than anyone else, of Lexus RX. And ES 350.
Even mechanic Scotty Kilmer says this touchpad is crap
I know right? I hate Lexus' touchpad, it's a piece of crap and once they've gotten rid of it, I won't miss it at all.
So the ls 500 is faster
Yes yes yes! I hate that Fing mouse pad. Oh my god. I’ve had this car for 5 years and every second I have to use that stupid thing is misery. But overall I am in love with this car. So I can look past its faults.
Beautiful car ❤️
The wife's car is a '15 GS350. Same engine, and apparently the same platform from the b-pillars back (I guess the RC is IS from the b-pillars forward and GS from the pillars back with a little bit of bracing from the IS-C, or something). Love the thing. Feels every bit of its nearly 4k pound curb weight, but in a good, planted, solid sort of way. Also surprisingly nimble, and genuinely fast. Very easy to get large speeding tickets cuz it just goes and is so stable and confident. Wonderful car, and I would really like to replace it with an RC when the time comes.
I do like these
It is a better car than the new Supra, but it sure is not sporty looking. Essentially it is a competitor to Infiniti G35/37 type vehicle.
Those blank buttons look so bad.
Isn’t the RC Lexus cars based on the same platform as the FRS/BRZ? That may be why they didn’t use it for the Mk 5 Supra, going to the same proverbial well one time too many.
Toyota was pretty dead set on using a straight-six, even if they bought the engine from BMW, works it even fit into that engine bay?
The RC is not on the 86 platform. It’s chasis is made up from parts of the GS and the IS.
Putting the name Supra in this 2 ton Frankenstein chassis would have killed the Supra legacy once for all.
The MK4 Supra weighed 3,500Lbs & this weighs 3,800Lbs and Joining with BMW to make the MK5 didn’t ruin The Supra Legacy??🤦🏽♂️😂
@@MandusahRamirez stock Mk5 Supra is a rocket ship compared to a stock Mk4 Supra... And its a damn nice car. I dont see a problem having the Supra name on it.
I dont understand why they didn't just make their own engine and went to BMW though.
The Camry, RX350 and Sienna *don't* have this engine. This is the 2GR-FSE, not the 2GR-FE. They're completely different engines.
Not True! The ONLY difference between the two is The D-4S Twin Injection System.. Meaning The FSE got Direct & Port Fuel Injection.
(Lists 2 engines within the same engine family and with the same displacement code) Guyth i thwear they're comphlethely dipherrenth
Moreover, all the vehicles listed use the 2GR-FKS now iirc
Is the Taco engine same as these?
@@paulm6481 yes, but only from 2016. 2015 and older used the 1GR-FE from the 4runner and FJ Cruiser.
@@paulm6481 Yes. Its a 2GR-FKS tho.