Strange... it's almost like this is what everyone was afraid of when this was first revealed came true. It's almost like the people who play the game know it better then the people making it.
Can you even imagine what will happen when WG introduces Jets. I'm actually impressed by all the people who still play this game, they must be hard core into masochism.
I felt like wg made some progress with addressing carriers (rocket planes), then right after they introduced this thing. Lost all faith in CVS ever being dealt with after that.
Comrade, they made sekrit battleships in a Naval Base called Polanski, complete with advanced turret lubricant systems to turn 18" guns in 30 seconds a full 180. :P
The new Russian CVs are just ridiculously op... The skip bombers are way to easy to hit with, the rockets eat cruisers and the torp spread is simply broken... Not to mention that the planes are made of stalinium and the booster take off is dumb af
@@juri8723 Unlikely, since it's a US designation, they wouldn't take a french one. Pretty sure at this point nobody knows why they picked it. The most accepted one is cruiser aViation.
@@chrisb9143 at this rate we're going to see a consumable that just obliterates everything on half the map. Every battle will just be who gets it off first. WG: "Get ready, Captains. We're buffing Steamrolls!"
Ok, I played Tier 6 carriers and felt they are in somewhat good place, their damage is limited, major counter-play are flak puffs, but they can carry (ha. ha.). Then I switched to Tier 8 (Lexington) and that thing is filthy. I started with stock modules = less 2/3 of alpha damage for all plane squadrons. And even then I racked ~60k avg. damage and ~40-50k spotting damage... with stock modules... I actually sold it, because I completely lost interest in carrier gameplay. It felt like a point-and-click adventure.
I was thinking, can you make an AA build on the CV and stay close to Allies and use its AA to cover them, while going after enemy CV. I only got the Graf Zeppelin from a crate and doubt it would work with that, since it loses lots of planes trying to defeat a CV.
Well, sure the AA on a CV is strong, but the problem is that everybody will shoot you if you are spotted, and you will be. So in short: no, it won't work, since you won't last long enough to shoot down planes... And as long as you are alive, the enemie cv will just harass the DDs that are far away... So, yeah... Unfortunately not gonna work
Someone used to division up with 2 DD’s and a G Zep., using their smoke. Does limit what the DD’s can do in the game but the secondaries on the Graf did insane damage
This used to be my playstyle but it doesnt work with the crappy autopilot and alot of the AA ranges on CVS are bad. My old Saipan had 7.2km AA range thanks to upgrade and captain skill. Now it cannot go beyond 3.5km or some useless number.
17:58 "Where are you, sub?" asked and then proceeded to search half of the cap a sub really cannot be into - just look at your spotted range and a "detected" mark on your screen and you have the area where the sub is, nothing too hard about it ;)
The only way to counter this is by removing it early in the game, the US can use everything but it’ll take time and lot of plane losses, the IJN can do some relevant damage, but most of the time they have to relied on torp and also huge plane loss, the brits would be irrelevant for this and the german maybe the best option but would face problem with AA ship camping near nakhimov
Funny. At the start people complained about CVs so they made ships melt them out of the air. I stopped playing ages ago. Looks like the melting capability is gone and they can strike faster than ever.
I dont have it but whenever I play ranked with haku I beat it. But it and haku are the only cvs i see This in a div with Conq and smolensk or similar combo would be nasty farming fires
This is how all CVs should work. That bullshit where 'whole squadron flies through AA but only 2 planes fire payload' is unbelievably dumb. There are counters to everything in this game... but most people get salty when a CV catches them alone and starts to tear them appart. A BB shoots for 20k per salvo every 30 seconds. A CV does that every 2 mins but has a lower chance to miss.
You can shoot back at a BB, and you can position yourself against one. Carrier? Nope. Cant shoot back, and if it's not in a good position to drop it can just break off, fly around and drop from another angle.
Historically some subs DID have AA, pretty heavy AA actually Type VII submarine - U-Flak or flak trap subs for example, with 2 quad 20mm, 2x 37mm automatic, and even a battery of 86mm aa rockets....
Not really, try playing non Soviet cv, they do not drop entire ordinance on single pass, they have no boost on start, They have more tricky aiming system and have to actually stay longer in aa defense zone. Obce you loose your first squadron, you don't have another full for nost of time. But all of these do not apply to Nakhimov. Nakhimov is just broken
Some days ago a potato CV in this exact map pressed W and went to cap mid alone. Obviously he got rekt and start complaining about - listen - THE HEAL CHEAT IN BBs. And then he proceeded to say you need skill to play CVs and people just complain bc they lack skill. I lost all my words with this idiot. Edit: what I forgot to say is he pressed W in the moment the match started, so he was dead in less than 5 min.
Ok we need the North Korean aircraft carriers next with a-10 rocket attack planes, b-52 full wave carpet bombers, and to balance out having no torpedo bombers they will get b-2 spirit tactical nuke bombers,
go back to where the sub was in the cap when you were trying to spot him and you will see a directional arrow in the direction that your planes were being detected.
I really wonder how can this ship and Hakuryu be on the same tier. Hakuryu can output 1/5th of this ships dagage and it's much harder to target, it's planes are made out of toilet paper.. it's just makes no sense....
Love watching your stream but if a ship is so broken and OP, then take a stand and don't play it. If we all refuse to play such OP ships, WG loses, but the community wins by eliminating NP experiences like this CV BS. Don't buy them, and don't play them. I personally choose not to play Russian CVs because they are such rubbish. As a prominent contributor, I believe you're in a good position to take leadership in this regard, Trenlass.
No, I love my nakhimov and i will play it. For the sake of imbeciles thinking CVs are weak ( ahem ahskance ). 120k in nakhimov is a bad game, so imagine flexing with that damage trenlass
Unfortunately, what WG does if a ship doesn't get "enough playtime" in their eyes is BUFF the ship. So if their precious Nakhimov drops in popularity, it will get STRONGER.
@@colinreese3389 this is exactly how wg works. So technically in order to get a ship nerfed, everyone needs to play it as much as possible... But then WG will still find excuses not to nerf it
Trenlass, please also make a broken video about the 4 T10 BB`s which have already more average damage than the Nakhi, especially the Burgogne. Oh wait, there is one from today, but the ship was fun to play! o.0
BBs don't have the same battle impact though. For instance, spotting is really important for winning games (there's a reason DDs and radar cruisers are high priority targets). This game, Nakhi had 270k spotting damage. Good luck getting that in a BB.
It's actually funny how the enemy try forming a task force and escort the CV because they know the other side has a Soviet CV
New update, WG decides to add SU-35s and to get the Yellow Squadron camo, pay an additional 5K doubloons kek.
@@BPKPhoenix The update after that USA gets a Raptor with Mobius squadron camo, Invincible Fleet intensifies! :3
@@EternalGaming786 A gamer of culture I see
Strange... it's almost like this is what everyone was afraid of when this was first revealed came true. It's almost like the people who play the game know it better then the people making it.
Come on, man, the Hakuryu player was an idiot.
@@VRichardsn like all cv players tbh
Bunch of pedos
@@sapiensiski have you tried to play a cv on high tiers now?
@@52down yup. Overpowered as shit
@@sapiensiski Spoken like a nonce
Can you even imagine what will happen when WG introduces Jets. I'm actually impressed by all the people who still play this game, they must be hard core into masochism.
This video will age well since wg anounced supercarriers some hours ago KEKW.
Is this for real?!
THEY WHAT
oh no.
Ok this is a sign people. We should move to other games...
@@juankovacs6033 you guys cant and you know it
I felt like wg made some progress with addressing carriers (rocket planes), then right after they introduced this thing. Lost all faith in CVS ever being dealt with after that.
today they introduced super carriers WITH JET PLAINES :)
WG: Nakhimov IS BY FAR THE MOST STUPID AND BROKEN SHIP IN WORLD OF WARSHIPS you say? HOLD MY VODKA!
You mean making rocket planes near useless against dds
Looking forward to the russian super carrier! With nuke skip bombs hopefully!
Missiles with nuclear warhead
Hypersonic cruise missiles with nukes on the tip
Kashtan CIWS onboard so they can shoot down every weapon dropped by a plane before they reach the ship
And why am I not surprised that such a "ship" is straight out of a russian fantasy harbor?
It is the same with Soviet battleships. In truth, the Soviets never completed any battleship.
Comrade, they made sekrit battleships in a Naval Base called Polanski, complete with advanced turret lubricant systems to turn 18" guns in 30 seconds a full 180. :P
The new Russian CVs are just ridiculously op... The skip bombers are way to easy to hit with, the rockets eat cruisers and the torp spread is simply broken...
Not to mention that the planes are made of stalinium and the booster take off is dumb af
its like you're armed with an infinite supply of modern Cruise Missiles.
your team was getting spanked... right up until you sank the cv and turned on the enemy fleet. CV stands for Carry Vessel.
Cruiser Volaire but yeah Carry Vessel makes more sense tbh
@@juri8723 Unlikely, since it's a US designation, they wouldn't take a french one. Pretty sure at this point nobody knows why they picked it. The most accepted one is cruiser aViation.
Why else do you think they're carriers
Trenlass: This is the most stupid and broken ship in the game
WG: hold my beer.
yep... with the announcement of the "United States" super carrier.. all bets are off...
@@CesarinPillinGaming the best of FDR and Nakhimov, soon in the game (and in ranked obviously)
@@chrisb9143 I can't wait to see what bullshit we will see for Soviets.. my take is we're going to see a petro-like ultra sub with missiles.
@@CesarinPillinGaming US Sus
@@chrisb9143 at this rate we're going to see a consumable that just obliterates everything on half the map. Every battle will just be who gets it off first.
WG: "Get ready, Captains. We're buffing Steamrolls!"
If you think Nakimov is crazy OP... Wait for the Super CVs, with jet planes!
Ok, I played Tier 6 carriers and felt they are in somewhat good place, their damage is limited, major counter-play are flak puffs, but they can carry (ha. ha.). Then I switched to Tier 8 (Lexington) and that thing is filthy. I started with stock modules = less 2/3 of alpha damage for all plane squadrons. And even then I racked ~60k avg. damage and ~40-50k spotting damage... with stock modules...
I actually sold it, because I completely lost interest in carrier gameplay. It felt like a point-and-click adventure.
But WAIT, there's MORE.....now we are gonna have absolutely disgusting super carriers with jets that go 340knts NICE :D
I was thinking, can you make an AA build on the CV and stay close to Allies and use its AA to cover them, while going after enemy CV.
I only got the Graf Zeppelin from a crate and doubt it would work with that, since it loses lots of planes trying to defeat a CV.
Well, sure the AA on a CV is strong, but the problem is that everybody will shoot you if you are spotted, and you will be. So in short: no, it won't work, since you won't last long enough to shoot down planes... And as long as you are alive, the enemie cv will just harass the DDs that are far away... So, yeah... Unfortunately not gonna work
Someone used to division up with 2 DD’s and a G Zep., using their smoke. Does limit what the DD’s can do in the game but the secondaries on the Graf did insane damage
@@avalsirithanawat1772 That was an insane game, but it's a win/fail combo. Win some, and you lose some!
This used to be my playstyle but it doesnt work with the crappy autopilot and alot of the AA ranges on CVS are bad. My old Saipan had 7.2km AA range thanks to upgrade and captain skill. Now it cannot go beyond 3.5km or some useless number.
Go secondary build lol
Jet Plane SuperCarriers: Hold my keg.
Was 53k with republique. Nakhimov rockets blasted me for god knows what,like 25--30k+3 fires . Literally 53k with rocket planes,
French and US BBs are very juicy targets. You just know they will melt in seconds.
Everyone watching the stream: Look Soviet CV's stronk!
Me: How did that Elbing ate two of Shliefen's sea mines xD?!
This video aged well.
17:58 "Where are you, sub?" asked and then proceeded to search half of the cap a sub really cannot be into - just look at your spotted range and a "detected" mark on your screen and you have the area where the sub is, nothing too hard about it ;)
This ship did 50% of my DDs HP in one drop.. nuff said broken AF
The only way to counter this is by removing it early in the game, the US can use everything but it’ll take time and lot of plane losses, the IJN can do some relevant damage, but most of the time they have to relied on torp and also huge plane loss, the brits would be irrelevant for this and the german maybe the best option but would face problem with AA ship camping near nakhimov
We need an IJN supercarrier with Kamikaze fighters. Because every time I face CV’s that’s what I feel like doing. Killing myself.
Actually kamikaze were the best anti-CV warfare in WWII. I think their introduction with IJN CVs is just a matter of time.
tren are you perhaps using an AMD graphics card ? since the planes went blurry at 5:36 onwards my 6700xt did the same, sent it in and it was faulty
Funny. At the start people complained about CVs so they made ships melt them out of the air. I stopped playing ages ago. Looks like the melting capability is gone and they can strike faster than ever.
15:35 I laughes so hard at this 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for the guest starring in the role of "bullied bully".
What a bully!
Who's ready for Supercarriers!
Supercarriers with Jets: hold my rockets
*Enemy AA barely starting to shoot
: Bye bye, have a great time!
please help im new to cv on 11:54 how did he cancel the animation after launch the rockets, dont you have to watch the animation? please help
The Eagle looks back and giggles.
I dont have it but whenever I play ranked with haku I beat it. But it and haku are the only cvs i see
This in a div with Conq and smolensk or similar combo would be nasty farming fires
This ship will look perfectly balanced once HMS Eagle and USS United States SuperCVs arrive.
I'm only here for the RFS Vladimir Poutine
Just wait for Soviet SuperCV.
Look at all those flak puffs, hitting the same spot that isn't your planes...
With the speed your team was losing boats, i did not expect you to win
This is how all CVs should work. That bullshit where 'whole squadron flies through AA but only 2 planes fire payload' is unbelievably dumb. There are counters to everything in this game... but most people get salty when a CV catches them alone and starts to tear them appart. A BB shoots for 20k per salvo every 30 seconds. A CV does that every 2 mins but has a lower chance to miss.
You can shoot back at a BB, and you can position yourself against one. Carrier? Nope. Cant shoot back, and if it's not in a good position to drop it can just break off, fly around and drop from another angle.
Historically some subs DID have AA, pretty heavy AA actually Type VII submarine - U-Flak or flak trap subs for example, with 2 quad 20mm, 2x 37mm automatic, and even a battery of 86mm aa rockets....
I think we need new adjectives to describe CV's, because "broken" and "stupid" apply to the entire class of ships.
Not really, try playing non Soviet cv, they do not drop entire ordinance on single pass, they have no boost on start, They have more tricky aiming system and have to actually stay longer in aa defense zone. Obce you loose your first squadron, you don't have another full for nost of time. But all of these do not apply to Nakhimov. Nakhimov is just broken
Some days ago a potato CV in this exact map pressed W and went to cap mid alone. Obviously he got rekt and start complaining about - listen - THE HEAL CHEAT IN BBs. And then he proceeded to say you need skill to play CVs and people just complain bc they lack skill.
I lost all my words with this idiot.
Edit: what I forgot to say is he pressed W in the moment the match started, so he was dead in less than 5 min.
Nakhimov - THIS SHIP IS BY FAR THE MOST STUPID AND BROKEN SHIP IN WORLD OF WARSHIPS... This title didn't age well (supercarriers)
Very good game Trenlass, bravo
I once wondered when will they introduce a tech-tree full of fake ships. Here it is.
Aaah, seeing that Smolensk getting balanced was cathartic.
Then I remembered supercarriers
Every time I see a Nakhimov on the enemy team, I cry a little. Then I die very quickly to it's indestructible planes and insane damage.
Stalinium is a pretty powerful armor unfortunately.
WOW.. so broken! Is this worth sending to Jingle for the LOLS and MEMES?
Yesterday I heard about jet planes and super CV I thought it was a joke, also supers are coming to random :(
Wait for it...Super CVs Eagle and United States are coming...they have jets...not joking.
340kn jets
WTF was trhat dmg on the Smolensk with he rocket planes!? O.O
Luckily there was no oneshot from a BB or a Shima Torpedo hit.
Ok we need the North Korean aircraft carriers next with a-10 rocket attack planes, b-52 full wave carpet bombers, and to balance out having no torpedo bombers they will get b-2 spirit tactical nuke bombers,
Honestly don't know how that hakuryuu even unlocked and bought the ship
Wows is adding An American Supercarrier...with Jets.
I told you a while ago that you will become CV main, you see, you played CV again! :p
Oh man, this video is so late. WG is already working on the most broken and stupid ship in the WoWS
First Smolensk, then Petropavlovsk and now Nakimov.
Yes, Russian Bias is still VERY MUCH a thing in WoWs.
WG is like: I'M NOT DONE YET!
Now Imagine SUPER CARRIERS.
Oh I'm pretty sure that the Schlieffen can give this one a run for the most broken in WoWs.
you can kite schleiffen to death. it is your fault if you get melted.
Im watching this for the 'stupid and broken' hint. Fark Trenlass wasnt wrong
But i must admit, it is fun to play with, but not against.
most broken? wait for super CVs!
WOW your team melted at the start!
Hows this ship the most stupid and broken ship? You can actually fuck the enemy CV for the first time in 6 years, thats a win for me :D
I think you're missing the fact that it only kill one cv on the map xD so it will be an even bigger loose if the enemy decides to slap your cv :D
yeah i hate that cv. so fuckings broken and OP... i realy hate the bombskipper thing. worst thing they implended in the game
This thing leaves FDR in the dust
Russian bias plus CV OP… I fear no much but that ship, it scares me
its not broken enough, here, have some JET SUPER CV's /s
Breaking New: Russian ships are OP in a Russian game, Film at 11. 🤣
Just dodge. I'll take this CV in any game over subs.
just dodge sub torps :D
This guy's laugh sounds like TeamFourStar's Mr. Popo
its the only ship i cant combat in ranked, i cant play Cv myself never had the knack, and if our team doesn't have one as well i die a little inside
go back to where the sub was in the cap when you were trying to spot him and you will see a directional arrow in the direction that your planes were being detected.
uhh that is the direction of his CV tho
@@Pepega_Ch yup, you are correct. Thanks for pointing that out!
I really wonder how can this ship and Hakuryu be on the same tier. Hakuryu can output 1/5th of this ships dagage and it's much harder to target, it's planes are made out of toilet paper.. it's just makes no sense....
Well, at least Hakuryu have more plane health compared to MvR.
@@miyuuri_lia still way too low, for the way it plays.
Just wait for supercarriers in 0.11.1.
wtf 11min just to kill enemy CV. _definitely not OP!!!_
Just look at the new super CV... actual joke. :D
They have actual jets that go 350kts. Haha
Thankyou
I was considering coming back to WoWS, now I am no longer considering it
Sad to say it but ... Nakhimov will soon be weak compared to incoming jets :'( (see devblog)
We gonna need to play T7 maximum to avoid that
Of course, the company originating in Russia pulls a non-existent ship from a Russian fantasy harbor and makes it OP.
Wargaming is from Belarus
U think this is bad wg hold my beer super cvs tada
I love CV's.. Dont you guys love CV's? Wish they added Super CV's......
only 125k damage and youre calling it op
That's because he was focused on removing the Hakuryu for the first half of the match.
Love watching your stream but if a ship is so broken and OP, then take a stand and don't play it. If we all refuse to play such OP ships, WG loses, but the community wins by eliminating NP experiences like this CV BS. Don't buy them, and don't play them. I personally choose not to play Russian CVs because they are such rubbish. As a prominent contributor, I believe you're in a good position to take leadership in this regard, Trenlass.
That not how it works. Showing every now and then that this is a stupid thing is important imho. It is not that he is playing this thing often.
No, I love my nakhimov and i will play it. For the sake of imbeciles thinking CVs are weak ( ahem ahskance ).
120k in nakhimov is a bad game, so imagine flexing with that damage trenlass
Unfortunately, what WG does if a ship doesn't get "enough playtime" in their eyes is BUFF the ship. So if their precious Nakhimov drops in popularity, it will get STRONGER.
@@colinreese3389 this is exactly how wg works. So technically in order to get a ship nerfed, everyone needs to play it as much as possible... But then WG will still find excuses not to nerf it
They are coming...
WG says hold my beer, super CV's are on the way! Tier 11 CV's incoming.
i always report ppl playing skip bombers
Nice and we are getting actual super CVs now LOL This is going to be fun... (not)
NakUwUmov is broken indeed, nice game trenny boy
Did you take a shower after that game? ;)
The most stupid and broken ship in World of Warships... YET.
Just waiting for WG to introduce Ukrainian warships. They will have a unique consumable called "deploy spinnaker"
Nice chair.
Russians wish they ever had an aircraft carrier
Wargame being biased? No way. Shock. Is it 2015 yet?
Good Job The Allies never went to war against Russia, the Russian navy would have bodied the US/UK navies in an instant.
Lol.
Broken but only did 125k
CV players should be auto permabanned!
Trenlass, please also make a broken video about the 4 T10 BB`s which have already more average damage than the Nakhi, especially the Burgogne. Oh wait, there is one from today, but the ship was fun to play! o.0
BBs don't have the same battle impact though. For instance, spotting is really important for winning games (there's a reason DDs and radar cruisers are high priority targets). This game, Nakhi had 270k spotting damage. Good luck getting that in a BB.
Barrion damage and damage is not always the same. Without me my team would have made 270k less damage due to spotting :)
Interesting beast
Balans.