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Caedrel Reacts To IWD Quitting LEC & Gives His Opinion On The State Of LEC

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  • @Chasi830
    @Chasi830 Місяць тому +918

    its crazy how Rogue management speedran a championship winning, worlds quarterfinals roster to 10th place LEC, that nobody wants to watch. so fucking disgusting.

    • @gaborolaszi5062
      @gaborolaszi5062 Місяць тому +88

      Also don't forget they weren't just a one season wonder. At that point they were consistently top1 regular split team for like 4-5 splits in a row. Ofc they always choked in playoffs that's why their eventual win mattered a lot, but going from consistently 1st place to consistently is tragic.

    • @justinliu1014
      @justinliu1014 Місяць тому

      same thing as DRX no?

    • @primordial6966
      @primordial6966 Місяць тому +46

      @@justinliu1014 DRX wasn't ever considered as top-tier org/team. They were always kind of bottom-mid, sometimes grabbing/finding good players (Zeka, Keria etc.). Their worlds win was rather unexpected and it was pretty clear the org wouldn't maintain that level. They had no money to keep the players that won them worlds, because thos players all of the sudden were very high rated and alot of teams were willing to spend big on them. So it was kind of inevitable that DRX would fall off again.

    • @hiw3128
      @hiw3128 Місяць тому

      ​@@justinliu1014
      DRX was a dark horse. They are the only team not first/second seed of their region to win Worlds.

    • @Niick3015
      @Niick3015 Місяць тому +13

      ​@@justinliu1014 DRX has had 2 good years. 2020 and 2022. Thier 2020 season they finished 3rd and 2nd so they were actually doing pretty well that year since they had Chovy, Doran, Keria and Deft alongside a then fairly unknown Pyosik so that year they were expected to do well.
      2022 they werent even expected to qualify for worlds. They barely scraped victories over KT and Sandbox (Now FearX) to qualify. 2022 DRX began thier miracle run before they had even qualified.

  • @PWzhouster
    @PWzhouster Місяць тому +265

    Agree with a lot of Caedrel said about format and strength
    I also think that a lot of it can be summed up as "if the teams don't seem to care, why should I, a viewer?"

    • @MyNigellus
      @MyNigellus Місяць тому

      The 3 season split is horrible. You have barely 4 weeks to "make it", trophies feel worthless. I remember when splits were longer G2 once also almost didn't make playoffs, if it had been such a short format they had been out.

    • @holyrs1575
      @holyrs1575 Місяць тому

      Too many splits, winning doesnt really matter any more

    • @radekhruby142
      @radekhruby142 Місяць тому +1

      Format killed LEC. Shit teams and KC and MAN fans finished it

  • @moritzschuler4941
    @moritzschuler4941 Місяць тому +975

    I can absolutely understand IWD here. With both the layoffs and the reclining quality of the gameplay it just feels like a waste of time watching it. Yeah I will still watch internationals, but I have been following EU league even when we were still the EU LCS and I have now reached a point in which I havent watched a single full game during the split
    Edit: I swear the last point is actually Huge. No Roadshows is one of the biggest Buzzkills ever. No one gives a shit about the final week at this point

    • @petarpetrov1784
      @petarpetrov1784 Місяць тому +33

      I think the bar was set so high from 2018-2021 that now getting back to the mean feels bad. The produciton was really insane + having some really good teams makes it hard to reproduce, especially considering the layoffs. I think the level of play is not as low as people make it out to be but there is for sure a huge drop between 2020 and the years after. The biggest problems are the lack of new personalities and a lot of good players leaving. But this year the overall level of gameplay in all regions is lower compared to last year (excluding GenG). LPL also feels a lot weaker and a lot more boing to watch too (compared to last year) because the good teams from last year got separated and the good players are not concentrated in the best teams.

    • @peternguyen7077
      @peternguyen7077 Місяць тому +40

      ​@petarpetrov1784 I think problem with lec as well is the level of play not only dropped, but as viewer there isnt much of a narrative. We all know G2 is gonna win because these teams cant help but choke during the playoffs. Im not blaming G2 I think they are the expection that is actually trying to carry this dumpster fire of the region. Lec in itself with contract blocks and nepotism from staff is starting hurt any competitive nature the league has.

    • @ranolol
      @ranolol Місяць тому +8

      ​@petarpetrov1784 Nah to even, I didn't watch or played the game for years and only came back in 2023. The EU LCS from 2015 was more entertaining than this year league, last year was a weak year for LEC as you saw at Worlds but it was really nice to watch for the entire year.

    • @pda32301
      @pda32301 Місяць тому +6

      LPL production is worse for english viewers lmao, LPL aint even that good anymore

    • @jacobcelmer4928
      @jacobcelmer4928 Місяць тому +1

      You know it’s bad when LCS is better than LEC now

  • @skitz3124
    @skitz3124 Місяць тому +667

    The fact Dom genuinely acknowledge twice (including when a chatter said he may just be mad about costreaming rights) that he could just be partly biased sells his take far more than I expected. I expected him to completely deflect that bias or lash out at the chatter. Def agree w him & Caedrel though.

    • @NoobNoobZug
      @NoobNoobZug Місяць тому +32

      Never expected him to be like that. Pretty cool actually. I kinda like him when he is not in the "omg pro flash against wall? What a silver" mood

    • @laeliuss7495
      @laeliuss7495 Місяць тому +163

      That's the real Dom, I feel like he has this weird perception outside of his own community, he's seen as this weirdo hater toxic guy. But if you stop and watch him, he's exactly like this clip shows it, he loves the game, he has a genuine passion for content creation, and I'm sure he's mad because the LEC being boring is bad for league competitive and his not happy about quitting.

    • @NoobNoobZug
      @NoobNoobZug Місяць тому +4

      @@laeliuss7495 I just know some clips of them where he was mostly fair and his commentarys together with Yamato where he is super unfair and toxic. One time he watched a game solo so i warched him and he was not toxic at all. Seems like he gets toxic in group but idk i dont watch him enough to know that.

    • @tenarmurk
      @tenarmurk Місяць тому +32

      @@NoobNoobZug Group calls make it more about entertainment and not analysis. Its usually pretty funny but the in depth stuff is gonna get lost

    • @laeliuss7495
      @laeliuss7495 Місяць тому +45

      ​@@NoobNoobZugif you watch him with The Sack is pretty obvious that they'll ramp up the talking so that they make each other laugh. It's genuinely funny when they just call: "Every player here should be jailed" after a bad play. But if you watch his tier lists for example, he gives all good, well researched, reasonable takes. And the guy is genuinely like an encyclopedia of competitive league knowledge.

  • @ahmedmounier3886
    @ahmedmounier3886 Місяць тому +338

    Honestly , if it wasn't for Caedrels Co streams I wouldnt even watch LEC, Just internationals and probably LCK

    • @gokuderahayato2304
      @gokuderahayato2304 Місяць тому +3

      Yeah after last year. I was kinda done with league. If not for Co streams, I would definitely not watch any league anymore. Except for G2 Vs TES I can't even remember a game I fully watched this year. I thought maybe it's just me, but Lec game quality is abysmal.
      But I also have to say I am fatigued with always the same picks and nothing new at all. They should just drop a patch that nukes everything and then try to balance it again maybe then we don't have to watch the same shit over and over again.

    • @ahmedmounier3886
      @ahmedmounier3886 Місяць тому

      @@gokuderahayato2304 I honestly started watching the YT vids of most games and tune in to the stream for the "hype games " but even the LEC hype games have become so boring and do not get me started on draft picks when every game was lucian / nami , Zeri/ Lulu or Senna Tahm with Ksante. Absolutely disgusting and resident sleeper

    • @ronintje7647
      @ronintje7647 Місяць тому

      I went from watching G2 games during dinner on my phone along with all other games after dinner to missing most of their games because i just couldn't be bothered with these 9 game seasons, not even sure i'm gonna watch the playoff stage.

  • @Taireyn
    @Taireyn Місяць тому +106

    The lack of roadshows killed an insane amount of hype for me, I went to an esports event one time ever and it was either spring or summer finals in Hamburg with G2 vs Unicorns of Love playing and it was absolutely insane. But this year it felt ultra meaningless. Just compare it to LCK spring finals, that was just insanity how hype that was and I feel like all of this would be possible for the LEC in the future. But with no money and staying the way it is now the LEC will 100% just fade away

    • @Snootz86
      @Snootz86 Місяць тому +6

      Bro i don't think we had a spring stadium finals since 2019.. maybe i am missing

    • @Flexy59
      @Flexy59 Місяць тому

      i was there too, it was indeed crazy hype

    • @Flexy59
      @Flexy59 Місяць тому

      @@Snootz86 na you might be right, G2 vs UOL was in 2017 spring iirc

    • @Arkanna96
      @Arkanna96 Місяць тому +7

      Exactly! The finals feel like just another day at the office, it's so sad what they did to LEC when it used to have so much hype. The rap battles they did for playoffs a few years ago were so good.

  • @laeliuss7495
    @laeliuss7495 Місяць тому +138

    I agree with Dom and Caedrel.
    The fact that there's no sense of identity and theres just so many splits and meaningless games all jumbled together and those horrendous bottom tier teams like Rogue just infesting us with boring gameplay every single week, and those useless Bo1 and no content, and those studio finals that mean nothing, like the first split of the year was useless the second one was basically the same shit. We need some chance ASAP or the league will be like last year LCS

    • @leevimasalin2301
      @leevimasalin2301 Місяць тому

      Last year LCS? Havent this guy heard that Riot is making LCS a minor region next year. The problem with LEC is like you said, its boring and the format is so bad, but people still watch the league by some miracle, LEC this year had the highest viewing numbers ever so people clearly watch it alot its around 800k-1mil. The problem with LCS is that no matter how good the format is or what changes they make, no one watches that league like… they just cant get eyes to watch NA. They do good at worlds and win FNC and no one cares, there is literally zero souls that give a fck. There is hype for the core NA audience who always watch like Dom for example, the format is great and all, but still NA is less viewed than Europes tier 2 league LFL… Like tier 2 leagues like LFL or Brazil has more viewing than NA and it will never change sadly. They now merge NA to a minor region and it literally pissed off the minor region?? Shouldnt they be happy to become a ”major region”, no they hate it xdd

    • @vvuulven6382
      @vvuulven6382 Місяць тому

      @@leevimasalin2301 It's not solely the fact that no one cares, But legit the only "Good" They did at worlds is NRG Beating G2 Which let's be honest was a fucking hail mary in it's own accord, and then One team did good cause they beat Fnatic yes, But did you forget that FlyQuest legit got dropped by Paris? Like the difference between LEC and LCS is that in LEC there are good Teams like SK , Fnatic , G2 and BDS , While also there are shit teams like VIT , Mad , Rogue etc. In LCS literally there isn't a team that they can say, YES we can compete in worlds or MSI , Cause again in MSI the only "Good" Run TL had was beating the second seed of EU , their second seed being beaten by the PCS and literally have their First Seed Dumpstered by the east, Not saying G2 did any better but come on, G2 at least took T1 to 5 Games and dismantled TOP. And even then G2 doesn't even seem to be the strongest Team in EU cause SK Beat them and only lost like 1 or 2 Games. Like a lot of people are saying Eu just has a Lot of stupid and pointless games along with the "Shields" Being a mickey mouse competition that doesnt matter if you win or not. It's basically just Ego boost.

    • @leevimasalin2301
      @leevimasalin2301 Місяць тому

      @@vvuulven6382 I agree with you on everything you just said. Hopefully the format changes next year.

    • @krzychu240692
      @krzychu240692 Місяць тому

      ​@@leevimasalin2301That's not a format fault. The problem is that Riot makes their professional league in the franchise model. They should reverse all changes to the point when they start. In this case every match will be for something. There will be also more new players.

    • @Noobtuber251
      @Noobtuber251 Місяць тому

      ​@leevimasalin2301 Lol most people don't really play league in the US much anymore, NA dominates esports when it's more sports games or first person shooters. If you ego about your league rank here, people just think ur a virgin lmfao

  • @cryptidian3530
    @cryptidian3530 Місяць тому +66

    I think what Dom is describing about stagnation is what I'd call maintenance mode. Like the league is in maintenance mode.

    • @SoulxWeaver
      @SoulxWeaver Місяць тому +18

      You mean life support

    • @alfdlgnaat
      @alfdlgnaat Місяць тому +1

      @@SoulxWeaver technically maintenance lol

  • @lchn12345678
    @lchn12345678 Місяць тому +198

    for me, the reduction in content doesnt mean anything if the teams and games are shit, 2019 lec was so peak because lec had content AND good games, i wont enjoy the current lec more if they kept the good content because there are too many bottom teams

    • @Xzibitfreek
      @Xzibitfreek Місяць тому +6

      2018/2019 were OFF years and anything but the norm and despite universal praise, had lower viewership than LEC right now

    • @G2CSFan
      @G2CSFan Місяць тому +1

      2019 SCHIZO

    • @Skyflairl2p
      @Skyflairl2p Місяць тому +1

      @@Xzibitfreek I mean the seasons before that felt a bit like it does now, I started watching worlds 2018 because my friends who were long-time fans of fnc was extra hyped. But 2019 brought it all together and got me hooked, it's safe to say its just been a downhill experience after that. Maybe they'll bring it back soon, but it sure sucks being where we are.
      Oh well, at least we get an extra international event next year so there's that.

    • @huntersuper98
      @huntersuper98 Місяць тому

      @@Xzibitfreek That's in part due to the fact that the pro scene viewership is almost always growing. More and more people get into it each year.

    • @Bowserguy62
      @Bowserguy62 Місяць тому +1

      2018-2020 was peak lec after that shitshow

  • @zoid_on_youtube
    @zoid_on_youtube Місяць тому +185

    the top 4 LEC teams are fine, but watching the lower ranked teams play each other actually feels like death, I dont know how else to describe it.

    • @sergioradicy8550
      @sergioradicy8550 Місяць тому +20

      i mean, tha format is really bad, teams this bad as the bottom, should be in elimination brackets, not giving them a second chance to play

    • @FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV
      @FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV Місяць тому +1

      ​@@sergioradicy8550 Then they'll never get better, even if they wanted to. That's a pointless argument.

    • @FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV
      @FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV Місяць тому +3

      Honestly, I disagree. I think the top 2 (BDS, SK) have been playing well and fairly cleanly. G2, FNC however, have not been. FNC were doing fine, then they just started playing noticeably worse since their 1st loss. And G2 have been playing around all split.

    • @sergioradicy8550
      @sergioradicy8550 Місяць тому +1

      @@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV they don't get better even with more chances so it's still pointless, the format is really bad, but there are a lot of other things that are making LEC really worst every year by

    • @JS-zb9vx
      @JS-zb9vx Місяць тому

      Well put 😂

  • @harunora13
    @harunora13 Місяць тому +55

    Baus sneaking in a Caedrel clip

  • @MikeCrazyCalvert
    @MikeCrazyCalvert Місяць тому +286

    Caedrel "What does he mean by fans"
    Ahem - KKorps (cough cough*)

    • @pandour
      @pandour Місяць тому +54

      Ahem - also MAD ;)

    • @Ganlix
      @Ganlix Місяць тому +50

      That and MAD, both of them

    • @ju5tm398
      @ju5tm398 Місяць тому +30

      genuinely sad to see these new "fans" of teams get into the league. completely clueless i may add, and pile on top of actual analysts, Content creators and talent and attempt to tarnish these longstanding figures' credibility in the lol scene. Actual aids how kc and mad fans in certain areas of the scene have acted and continue to

    • @Domi6556
      @Domi6556 Місяць тому +24

      Kc and mad fans should be banned. I dislike both teams because of their fans.

    • @anterimac5196
      @anterimac5196 Місяць тому +9

      Reason why these fandoms annoy me is because fan mentality of mentioned teams feels like: "oh you're not french/spanish? Then F*** YOU". I get the feeling that league/gamestate/plays are completely irrelevant to these fans.

  • @DarkAngel-os8gs
    @DarkAngel-os8gs Місяць тому +18

    It‘s just so sad because LEC was always fun because of the content/the people. But if riot doesn’t care for the league you can’t really expect the teams/players/viewers to care for it.

  • @suitwo
    @suitwo Місяць тому +77

    LEC has been struggling for a while now, since 2021 we have only won a single BO5 against a team from China or Korea, and that was this year. We have not made worlds semis since 2020 and only barely managed to scrape a team over to quarters frequently, heck we didn't even manage that last year. I'd say it's fair to say we as a region didn't only stagnate since 2021, but it also felt like a lot of teams stopped caring as well.
    It's not even just the teams, the broadcast quality and entertainment level feels like it's been getting worse year by year, where before it was probably the most unique broadcast of the major regions. This year only made things worth with the gutting of the production team.

    • @MCG55SS
      @MCG55SS Місяць тому +6

      damn really....and we started losing to NA when they were free games since then.

    • @mbrown7325
      @mbrown7325 Місяць тому +12

      And G2 is such a giant the seasons feel like they don’t matter either. You see bds or fntc make it to playoffs and you just know they will choke like a mfer and G2 will sweep again.

    • @MoutPessemier
      @MoutPessemier Місяць тому +2

      @@mbrown7325 True G2 is the undisputed best team we've had for years now, but that is also because they are the only team that genuinely cares about the league and is constantly trying to push and improve our region as a whole. I would also find it refreshing to see anyone else win besides G2 and actually challenge them, but non of our teams have been able to come even close to that (except for maybe FNC on a good day). This has led me to cheer only for G2 as they actually still give a crap and try to improve themselves as well as the region

    • @mbrown7325
      @mbrown7325 Місяць тому

      @@MoutPessemier I think SK has a real shot this year. I imagine bds and fntc will be more of the same.

  • @jorgegoncalves9137
    @jorgegoncalves9137 Місяць тому +209

    To me, the drop of promotions/relegations was the beginning of the death of LEC, teams dont care anymore, their place is secured next season anyway

    • @Chasi830
      @Chasi830 Місяць тому +39

      its crazy how Rogue management speedran a championship winning, worlds quarterfinals roster to 10th place LEC, that nobody wants to watch. so fucking disgusting.

    • @GothPaoki
      @GothPaoki Місяць тому +3

      Yea that was pretty bad. I remember h2k getting first place in regular and getting relegated the next split. That was crazy.

    • @Tristan-ne1vz
      @Tristan-ne1vz Місяць тому +3

      This take has never made any sense to me. Relegation teams 90% of the were worse than today's 9th and 10th seeds. Most of them were underfunded amateurs with no chance to take a game from anyone else. Frachises have more incentive than anyone else they're investing millions of dollars every year into coaching, infrastructure, players. If they suck its -$1,000,000 that isn't a concern of relegation teams.
      Every region had its highest peaks under franchise system korea for instance is better than ever. Teams can afford to pay players and build massive orgs. Its just that league esports as a whole in the west is on a downturn + poor economics around the world.

    • @AleXoEx0
      @AleXoEx0 Місяць тому +4

      They should just do what the premier league in English football does and give parachute payments to teams that make the LEC for if or when they go down, they give a certain amount of money for 2-3 years so that they can potentially fight back. We desperately need EXCITEMENT return to the league.

    • @ferst262
      @ferst262 Місяць тому

      Yep, no reason to improve

  • @LFC4LIFEJEDI
    @LFC4LIFEJEDI Місяць тому +48

    Whilst LEC sticks with BO1 it will continue to get worse, throw on top the huge cost cutting right across the board the LEC will continue their race to the bottom..
    Sponsors will start pull out and that will signal the beginning of the end for LEC..
    Riot seems to given up on League everywhere outside of Asia...
    If we don't see LEC move to BO3 + fearless draft over two splits next season LEC is dead...

    • @theteamxxx3142
      @theteamxxx3142 Місяць тому +5

      i agree now that every region will have 3 splits and probably fearless draft there's no way that they change the format for each region . Just copy what LCK does and import the best LCK challengers players and get the league to a better lvl then eu rookies will come in at 18 yold hopefully not 25 and if they are good they will be able to play and grow in the lec and reach top teams

    • @janos2318
      @janos2318 Місяць тому

      the saudis will come bro and rescue the league dw

    • @GothPaoki
      @GothPaoki Місяць тому +3

      The saudis are busy with dota 2

    • @janos2318
      @janos2318 Місяць тому

      @@GothPaoki not for long...

    • @AleXoEx0
      @AleXoEx0 Місяць тому

      They are going for basically every sport and esport they can.

  • @koenma932
    @koenma932 Місяць тому +7

    I appreciate Caedrel being hopeful, because I've also been down on LEC, and I'm watching since season 3. It's been pretty depressing watching the league I love lose its' shine

  • @swagric2590
    @swagric2590 Місяць тому +80

    Franchising killed LEC, imagine how spectacular it would be if we had all those narratives about promotion and relegation. Imagine if KC got their Spot for winning EMEA master and then could have been relegated if they failed to adapt. Imagine if EINS could go to the LEC. People thought the prime years of LEC were possible due to Franchising, but it was honestly just the hard work and rebrand. You could have had that and better narratives at the same time.

    • @Darkyryus_
      @Darkyryus_ Місяць тому +7

      Franchising kills everything...

    • @ceejaybalbin
      @ceejaybalbin Місяць тому +10

      @@Darkyryus_ franchising kinda killed NALCS as well. yeah more money got put in but how many of those nba teams backed out. how many of those companies maintained the spot they bought? Echo Fox? Houston Rockets? Golden State Warriors? Etc?

    • @MG10224
      @MG10224 Місяць тому +5

      It’s the mentality difference. I feel franchising works in specific ways and regions, but not in general. When you have a huge player base, competitiveness by nature and people passively practicing the game every day, I feel franchising feels wrong.
      It’s a little bit comparable with European football. You can’t franchise this, the nature and history doesn’t allow it.
      Not that it’s impossible (like in the USA) but far less interesting and emotionally intense for the millions of people who played this game from scratch.

    • @aaabbb-zc7sx
      @aaabbb-zc7sx Місяць тому +7

      ​@@ceejaybalbinna franchised and now local players don't even get a chance to play.all teams that make it to internationals are either 4 koreans,4 chinese or 4 europeans

    • @holyrs1575
      @holyrs1575 Місяць тому

      Franchising kikled league, we womt have more G2, and C9 and shit like that, now its just investments left and right to grab money, meh pathetic USA system , trash shit

  • @TheSandman109
    @TheSandman109 Місяць тому +17

    Have been watching every split EU LCS and LEC since it came out, been playing since end of S1 and this split was the first season I didn't watch (only 1 match here and there)

  • @gnphilips16
    @gnphilips16 Місяць тому +64

    As someone who used to pretty much watch LEC exclusively (other than internationals) I find myself being more invested in the Korean Academy teams rather than the actual main scene. The format is more interesting, the players seem more interesting and the overall games have been more entertaining for me compared to the bland LEC stuff in the last year or so.

    • @Vilhomatto
      @Vilhomatto Місяць тому +5

      Tbh the format alone makes it way more interesting as theres so much more variety in champ pools and tacticts. LEC is pretty much boring as theres nothing new, everything is copy and paste what ever Korean top teams are running. And the teams play with 20 champ pool. Only ones who dare to be different even a bit are pretty much Wunder and Adam lol.

    • @gnphilips16
      @gnphilips16 Місяць тому +2

      @@Vilhomatto Agreed. For a while I felt that there at bare minimum needed to be more bans to count for just how large the champion roster is now. The format Fearless Draft or whatever it is they are calling it is, like you said, a nice change that forces at least a larger variety of champions during a series. It still might end up being the same champions picked over the course of the series, but at least it means that each game will be at least different.

  • @reishiki8682
    @reishiki8682 Місяць тому +13

    The funny moment when the LCS is finally trying to actually be good and the LEC is now just a paycheck region.

    • @JorgeM270
      @JorgeM270 Місяць тому +4

      LCS going down to 8 teams made the level of play go up so much. It’s the strongest LCS has looked in so, so long. Honestly maybe since 2016.

  • @telekarma
    @telekarma Місяць тому +9

    My small wishlist for LEC would be:
    Back to 2 splits
    Real fearless draft
    Best of 3 matches

    • @AleXoEx0
      @AleXoEx0 Місяць тому

      My small wishlist for you:
      Take that wig off your head.

  • @vvuulven6382
    @vvuulven6382 Місяць тому +3

    To some degree, You can tell that it's easier , Like the league is easier and the biggest showing of that is Mad Lions making it into play-offs when they had a 1-7 Record. Like Come on, You literally won 4 games TOTAL with Tie breakers and got sent to playoffs when Fnatic , BDS , SK and G2 Won 6-7 Games without tie breakers and got the same result. It further shows that B01's literally do not matter cause you can go last place and just get lucky and just need to win the tiebreakers....

  • @ternel
    @ternel Місяць тому +1

    Man so sad to hear the LEC doesn't have the backing anymore. I remember when they were doing actual music videos. Heck, remember the wellerman song? And the weekly music thing every week?
    It was just such a strong region.

  • @kaiwen
    @kaiwen Місяць тому +1

    im vastly still against the Winter. Spring, Summer into season finals as a format. it kills so much of the hype you have for matchups and as rekkles explained that a player has like 27 games they play in the entire year when they‘re getting 10th.
    Add back spring, spring p/os into summer and their p/o plus regional finals. you will get people back for hype matchups and give the players a chance of playing more games to develop the roster more and more

  • @Jeihira
    @Jeihira Місяць тому +4

    Roadshows are such a big one. I know few things have hurt in NA as much as the decline in road shows.

  • @ayoubbelouadah7195
    @ayoubbelouadah7195 Місяць тому +4

    The fact that we never got the moments & memories videos anymore says a lot about the state of LEC content

  • @LegitimateEU
    @LegitimateEU Місяць тому +5

    I didn't watch any regular season LEC this summer, for the first time in .. ever?
    I just forgot, I never made a conscious choice to stop watching it, but I also never remembered or cared to put it on. I guess my subconscious just got bored of it after Spring.
    Somehow I just don't care anymore.
    My best guess might be that there's not enough legacy players left to draw me in? If Rekkles and Perkz were still playing, I'd probably watch, regardless of how washed up they are.

    • @midastheunwise2423
      @midastheunwise2423 Місяць тому +1

      I'm also disinterested, despite being a regular watcher since season 2. At most it's second monitor content and I maybe glance over at it from time to time when it sounds like something's happening, but for a good decade it was always the focus of my attention. Getting older will have something to do with that, but it's definitely also feeling stagnant. I don't really care too much about legacy players, as long as the new ones coming in are also exciting. Some are. I like the new Mad Lions roster at least, but most of the more successful new LEC talent lately is Korean imports, which I find it hard to get excited about. I like seeing new local talent rise up and succeed.
      Also, for me the EU region had always been the region of innovation, right back to when Moscow 5 revolutionised how pro play worked. We almost never had players that could keep up with LPL/LCK equivalents, but we could always beat them by playing unconventionally, rewriting the rule book again. Nowadays it's only really G2 doing that (and Mad Lions a bit), and everyone else is just doing the exact same cookie cutter comps with no innovation. Fearless draft would help this though.

  • @MirRid
    @MirRid Місяць тому +9

    I used to watch lec, but then it just doesn’t hit anymore.

  • @R3alSt3al
    @R3alSt3al Місяць тому +2

    Just look at the championshippoint standing.
    We can safely say G2 FNC BDS an SK will be top 4 and top 3 qualifies for season finals.
    Mad got enough points already too. So the only question is 6th place which is likely will be Heretics looking at current points.
    Even thought we got shit ton of games left GX and KC have to make top 3 to qualify.
    So why the hell would I watch a the rest of summer when top 6 is most likely won't change for season finals.
    I really hope the format changes with that extra international tournament with at least a single round Bo3 into top6 playoffs or something, because since last year summer I feel less and less energy to watch LEC. I am watching it since 2014 when I have time and now I am slowly reaching the point when I check when G2 is playing turn on the stream for it than turn it off.

  • @starszszs
    @starszszs Місяць тому +9

    I used to watch LEC every weekend almost every game now this last two splits I don't think I've seen one game

  • @lr1253
    @lr1253 Місяць тому +2

    when i started watching lec every day and every game lec was by far called best lolesports production content wise. Now we dont have anything except teams content

  • @darrenfleming7901
    @darrenfleming7901 Місяць тому +2

    I think LEC got hit the hardest by esports winter both on the org side and the league side. It feels like the LEC orgs don’t have so little money that they need to get their shit together or risk leaving the scene (like in LCS), but they also don’t have enough money to put real effort into their rosters, so most of them feel like they’re just trying to cruise through with what they have like Dom said. And when you have orgs that don’t care you get a lot of players who either don’t believe in the team they’re on or else feel like they can’t do anything on their current roster.

    • @florisbackx1744
      @florisbackx1744 Місяць тому

      No way. NA got hit way harder or have you forgotten about the whole FTX drama? The European teams are much healthier orgs. The problem is RIOT pulling out resources. It's mind blowing how a single French B tier team can organize huge live events and at the same time RIOT axed one of only two live events (outside of the studio).

  • @Setonix1-.-1
    @Setonix1-.-1 Місяць тому +1

    Fearless draft in eu, man i would like to see it but i feel like lot of those players have one good pick but cant play situationall picks, so seing fearless in eu would be like organised bronze soloQ lvl of performance ( ofc excluding teams that put in effort to play their best on most of the picks their team can need), i feel like long run it would be great mirror for level of performance in eu and it could help us progress when players would fear embarrasing theseles on stage but short run it would be clown fiesta xddd

  • @0xandrae
    @0xandrae Місяць тому +3

    We miss quickshot and the music video skits

  • @emperesque1218
    @emperesque1218 Місяць тому +57

    I mean IWD is right tho. The LEC in terms of gameplay quality is worse than ever, and the production is reduced to a skeleton crew. Not to mention the addition of the new french and spanish orgs have introduced another tier of annoying ass fans.

    • @anterimac5196
      @anterimac5196 Місяць тому +13

      Wait are you telling me you dont enjoy people screaming during the game so that you cant even hear what casters are saying?
      Yeah thats what kill it for me, I just turn on something else where ppl dont yell in my ear

    • @biim3051
      @biim3051 Місяць тому +9

      Tbf that is more of an LEC studio being tiny ass than the fans. LCK finals fans were crazier and yet nobody was bothered by the shouts. Imo it just shows that lec is not adapted to entertainment yet

    • @anterimac5196
      @anterimac5196 Місяць тому +1

      @@biim3051 Yeah thats fair, its on them to cancel out noise from the crowd. That could be another task for the casters :')

    • @biim3051
      @biim3051 Місяць тому +3

      @@anterimac5196 It does feel like, if they did put some money they could isolate better their casters however it wouldn't solve the problem of the interviews, you would need more space for that. The big orgs fans have always been annoying (FNC/KC/MAD) but at the same time that's what makes us either root for them or for their oponents and by proxy, watch the content. You would be like "damn those KC fans, i hope KC loses, let's go [insert oponent]. And in the end those big fanbases would make the LEC feel more alive, but the format man that format is ass and the studio is trash.

    • @Yaya-lz4px
      @Yaya-lz4px Місяць тому +3

      Lmao the only reason lec had some spark of hype is because of the french and Spanish viewers this year
      If you don't count them the league was even more boring

  • @StoneDeceiver
    @StoneDeceiver 28 днів тому

    oh, wow... that point about the format change hit me hard, now that i think about it.. i haven't watched LEC at all since that happened and never put two and two together. When I want to go spend a few hours watching/catching up with the pro scene on the lol-esports website vods just to realize that there was a finals two weeks ago and last week was the start of a new split that somehow i didn't even know happened. then it's like okay, i don't realyl feel like watching any LEC games cuz I already missed an entire split somehow without knowing about any of the narratives are even relevant anymore since who knows if it was this split or last split, or w/e is even going on.. so yea, makes sense to me that ppl just don't care ever since that change because theres too much too fast and none of it really matters unless the finals before worlds, so just watch other regions until then that still have normal spring and summer split with breaks inbetween for the msi and worlds internationals

  • @edralev7671
    @edralev7671 Місяць тому +1

    Im with Dom with this something is missing in LEC or LCS 2017-2020 is peak now it got so boring. Now i would rather watch LCK academy than LEC/LCS split.

  • @andreabosio6452
    @andreabosio6452 Місяць тому +1

    To me, this format of splits also is good part of the problem: bo1 were good in the double round robin, going against every team at least 2 times. Gave the teams especially at the bottom at least a chance to improve (remember the schalke miracle run). Bo3 are in my opinion the best way to improve each team, they take longer but lck and lpl demonstrate that it is beneficial. This mid way, which isn't meat nor fish...eeh, it's a mess of it's own. Only things truly obvious are G2 trolling then dominating and MDK arriving at playoff by the skin of their theeth and then do an exploit. It is maybe the fourth time i see them sucking all split and then arriving at playoff and do better than any other game in the last 2 split. Every.single.time.

  • @iannabben2
    @iannabben2 Місяць тому +8

    Imo. Lec went downhill since the days where we had sjokz, caedrel, quickshot, medi&vedi. Back then it just felt like a group of friends having fun, laughing, the content they were making also felt very thorough and thought out with a good balance of fun, cringe and fun. It stayed entertaining, it kept being fun no matter if you were watching PGL and so on. Players would also join in on it.
    Now it just feel like they are trying to copy what they did before with new people and it is not working. The Players all say the same things as well. Yesterday there was a glimpse there with Wunder and Mikyx where they were riffing and laughing, getting to cast the first few minutes it was just low and chill. But LEC especially content wise has very much gone downhill.

    • @MCB400100
      @MCB400100 Місяць тому

      😂😂😂 boohooo who cares

  • @HiddenEnt
    @HiddenEnt Місяць тому +4

    I've literally been so checked out of the LEC these last two splits.. I've actually gotten into the LPL, LCK, LJL and VCL this season alone and even not understanding the broadcasts I have been enjoying the gameplay.

    • @escorption6284
      @escorption6284 Місяць тому +5

      I know this is going to sound blasphemous for a LEC fan but LCS is actually fun this split.

    • @HiddenEnt
      @HiddenEnt Місяць тому

      @@escorption6284 the new blood on the scene as made for some good story lines at least and drafts are creative

    • @FrogWalrus
      @FrogWalrus Місяць тому

      The LJL and VCS? Lol I don’t buy that.

    • @HiddenEnt
      @HiddenEnt Місяць тому

      @@FrogWalrus you’re welcome to? I don’t remember requiring randoms on the internet to agree with my opinion on what I find enjoyable. Thank you ^.^

  • @Jose-cr3zn
    @Jose-cr3zn Місяць тому +1

    Sounds like Europe is sick of being a one team region. NRG beat G2 but now TL in LCS looks way better than NRG ever did so it looks like LEC simply can't keep up right now.

  • @tim..indeed
    @tim..indeed Місяць тому +2

    Need some tournament diversity too.
    Like every two years give us a Battle Of The Atlantic against the LCS and in the other years give us a European Cup where the European countries play each other.
    And actually take them seriously.

  • @forestcaine
    @forestcaine Місяць тому +2

    Fucking insane how dom and tyler1 became THE most well adjusted league content creators. Wtf

  • @roachdoggjr4648
    @roachdoggjr4648 Місяць тому +1

    Pretty sure Monte said the CFO was promoted to head of the company, and big surprise the former CFO wanted budget cuts.

  • @Satrim373
    @Satrim373 Місяць тому +29

    If only people realized not from just this clip that dom is a level headed guy. He’s smart inside and out of the game ever time there’s controversy with dom he always backs it up his opinions.
    Like with the double lift drama recently he got so much hate because some people just love double lift but love or hate him dom literally just said what he was saying was wrong and showed evidence throughout the history of lane swapping in league of legends.
    Either way I’m glad ppl in the comments are seeing this side of him cuz their favorite content creator agrees with him but the inconsistency on how dom gets treated in this community is insane.

    • @lcmbeatdrop
      @lcmbeatdrop Місяць тому

      frfr

    • @FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV
      @FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV Місяць тому +6

      He mostly gets the hate because LCK fanboys have become so disgusting and they hate him because he dislikes T1 fans, plus live-streams LPL.

    • @Satrim373
      @Satrim373 Місяць тому

      @@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV why didn’t he get LEC co streaming and LCS way back when. There was Reddit threads about him years b4 he even co streamed he’s been hated for years

    • @FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV
      @FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV Місяць тому

      @@Satrim373 I'm just referring to now, tbh. I'm not entirely sure why he was hated back then, but I'd imagine it was probably due to the same reasons you listed. I only started watching Dom like 3-4 years ago tbf, so I'm not 100% sure. But yeah, I assume people had him wrong and probably thought he was toxic.

    • @Arkanna96
      @Arkanna96 Місяць тому +2

      @@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV Personally, I dislike him because it really looks like he's farming the hatewatch from LCK fans with some of his takes. To be fair, it's a really good tactic to get engagement.

  • @John-r4e5l
    @John-r4e5l Місяць тому

    I am from NA & I love watching LEC + other Regions like LPL, LCK, and VCS.

  • @petrri323
    @petrri323 9 днів тому +1

    It’s just a different game than it was even 2 years ago. At this point I don’t think there’s anything that can be done. Games suck to watch, and suck to play. There’s no more storylines or any real reason to tune in beyond, “I like the [color here] team.” Worlds is the only thing worth watching anymore, and that doesn’t bode well for Pro League’s future.

  • @DBasedAlex
    @DBasedAlex Місяць тому +1

    Wait do people actually think Dom is controversial?? Maybe 5 years ago I guess, but nowadays he’s one of the most level headed and unbiased voices out there. He’s considers opinions outside his own, especially those contrary to his, and is open to listening and viewing things holistically

  • @iSa_Ach
    @iSa_Ach Місяць тому +6

    Maybe this is just my personal opinion, but LEC kinda going down when Sjokz and Quickshot aren't the heads anymore.
    I vaguely remember that both of them wanted the same direction where 2018-2020 was headed, I could be wrong.
    Sjokz steps down as a full-time League host to pursue her own brand but she left knowing Quickshot was in control up to a point where the League didn't even try to defend him (yeah like he really means to offend people - it was clearly a joke PLUS they weren't even in Berlin when he did that joke). Riot could've just put a punishment for him like placing him on a managerial position rather than on-air talent up atleast the "joke" went away or when people start don't care and not take things too serious to be offended.
    If anything I'm blaming Riot for this, there's a difference about firing artist and designer versus firing esport scene talents who runs, manages and promote the same League to every players.

    • @AleXoEx0
      @AleXoEx0 Місяць тому

      Wait what was the "joke" that quick shot did? I thought he was pretty progressive type, was it something offensive?

    • @midastheunwise2423
      @midastheunwise2423 Місяць тому +3

      @@AleXoEx0 At an international event, being an EDM enjoyer he made a joke about how one of the moves the DJs typically do looks like a Nazi salute, while doing the EDM move (it's not quite the same, he wasn't literally doing the salute). It wasn't done on broadcast, just in a phone video that I think Guldborg uploaded to Twitter, thinking it was harmless. Sadly it got Quickshot in trouble and he ended up quietly leaving the broadcast.
      Quickshot was really progressive though, he always spoke to the audience in an inclusive way, saying things like "Welcome Bs, Gs, and NBs", long before nonbinary folk really became well known in the public consciousness. He also was clearly just a standup bloke, whenever they tried new casting talent, Quickshot would be their wingman as he's good at making people feel comfortable and prompted them with relevant questions so they could flex their knowledge. He was also excellent at being the hype man for major events.
      I don't know how much LEC being based in Berlin affected the decision, but it's a real shame that just one private joke that wasn't remotely mean-spirited was enough to undo years of goodwill. I believe Nazi iconography is illegal in Germany (and presumably also the salute) so maybe it was serious enough there to warrant it? I still suspect that LEC's broadcast team just overcorrected though. People are absolutely terrified of backlash on Twitter.

  • @2sthimo449
    @2sthimo449 Місяць тому +2

    I just hate that they fired so many people. Negativity around a product can harm everyones long term passion and kill a region. Riot could definitely afford to put money into LEC and make the content, but they didn't think it was worth it. Theyll pay the price in 5 years when LEC is a dead product.
    I don't know if I want to hope that they're going to be ESL produced soon. I hate the inevitable Saudi takeover but rn that seems the most realistic way to get money back into hyping LEC

  • @twicee__4931
    @twicee__4931 Місяць тому +1

    Fearless draft is the one thing I want to see in all the regions. I enjoy watching LEC but it is getting stale but the same goes for LPL,LCK and LCS

  • @maciejr1447
    @maciejr1447 Місяць тому +4

    the LEC songs imo are some of the most genius pieces of content ever released. The creativity and execution combined with fun are just flawless

  • @unLUCKY95
    @unLUCKY95 Місяць тому +1

    LEC is genuinely getting boring, I've even seen G2 fans say they're bored of just winning without any real competition. Also the new format is just kind of lame, each team only playing each other once and only having a 3 week regular split gives no room for growth at all, most of the teams feel like they're just fed up and only playing because they have to, and players are constantly shuffled around in an attempt to make improvements to no avail. The last time the league was really exciting was 2020 when Fnatic and G2 were genuinely good teams that were neck and neck through the LEC and actually put up a good fight against the LPL/LCK teams.

  • @ddddirge
    @ddddirge Місяць тому +2

    Oh now I wonder if LEC gonna change the format and follow Americas system of combining franchises with the qualifiers or something
    Next year gonna be interesting to see whether every regions (except Americas that already laid out their plans in detail and APac that did the same albeit more vague) gonna make changes of their regional systems
    🤔🤔🤔

  • @hellCAT69
    @hellCAT69 29 днів тому

    8:58 A-men, brother! You are so right, I can't express how much truth is in this! They already lost Quickshot and a few others.

  • @moneybuyer6046
    @moneybuyer6046 Місяць тому +9

    they need to reduce to 8 teams and add bo3 fearless to have a chance of retaining viewership. I've watched almost every game for the past 4 years but haven't found the willpower to watch more than 2 games this split.

    • @thelastpage5428
      @thelastpage5428 Місяць тому

      BO3 fearless would be so awesome, it would make the games much more exciting to watch. I totally agree with you.

    • @radekhruby142
      @radekhruby142 Місяць тому

      Bro I watrched 98% of games sicnce season fucking TWO. But this shit I cant do it. Its so bad. Idiotic MAD KC fans shouting, format absolute dogshit, champion variety nonexistent. Every team outside G2 has no hands or macro sence... so bad

  • @Shavaaa
    @Shavaaa Місяць тому

    Bring quickshot back. He could help out so much, even behind the scenes

  • @dioxide39
    @dioxide39 Місяць тому +2

    as someone who got into watching League Proplay this year (specifically domestic leagues instead of just internationals), its kinda saddens me seeing LEC being at this bad of a spot. Genuinely looked like a fall from grace over the last few years.

  • @captainlureu
    @captainlureu Місяць тому

    People forget that rn it’s the euros too. And starting both tournaments the split and the euros at the same time in June just makes it impossible to watch both. If it wasn’t for the euros I probably would have watched LEC.

  • @cingsing986
    @cingsing986 Місяць тому

    I used to be really into lec but 2019/2020 was literally when it felt like it started to crumble

  • @opporancisis5834
    @opporancisis5834 Місяць тому

    been watching lec since the first year and i still really enjoy the league :( only thing i dislike is the lack of roadshows because europe is the perfect place for roadshows

  • @Samjie
    @Samjie Місяць тому +1

    I think the primary issue is that half the league are atrocious. Watching the bottom half of LEC now feels like watching the bottom LCS teams in recent years. KC, MDK, RGE, GX, VIT are all super hard to watch.
    The roadshow point is also so true. Watching 'finals' in the same arena with a 200 person crowd is extremely underwhelming.
    Without co-streams such as Caedrel's and Dom's I wouldn't event watch LEC.

  • @NessieJN
    @NessieJN Місяць тому

    We had it good for many years but the lack of player personality is bad considering how good the European challenger league is we produce good players on the regular they are just not given the chance to build a fan base and nobody cares. Add the facts that the format change which appeared good at the time has caused more harm than good and players have lost the will to try and compete with LCK and LPL which i feel is bad considering we defiantly can compete if effort was put in but everything just feels undercooked atm.
    Lastly i personally think how the teams/league and fans have treated our legends players like Perkz, Rekkles, Hyli, Wunder, Yankos and a few others like Nemesis and Bwipo has not helped. These are players with huge fanbases taken teams very deep into international tournaments and won many splits and MVPs these players should be on competitive teams and give time to build. Form is temporary but class is permanent however because they had one bad split or year they are looked down upon the last 2 years have been a disaster.

  • @StylessZ
    @StylessZ Місяць тому +1

    I have religiously gotten up to watch LEC as an Australian for 3 years now. This means getting up at 1am and then sleeping again at like 5.
    This year has been mind numbingly boring. Literally nobody looks like they care. The casters and broadcasters that were once interesting now are so nice and fluffy to everyone it's boring as shit. Just say the players are bad and not doing good.
    Also. How many more quizzes does Sjokz need to run between games, where the people playing don't even understand the format.
    I understand the budget is rough and resources are low. But even the gameplay is average. Change to Bo3 or something. Idk. Anything needs to change. I loved watching G2 and even a lot of the other players. Now it's not worth the effort

  • @th3summoner
    @th3summoner Місяць тому +15

    LCS is more entertaining than LEC. Unironically. LEC just sold it this year.

    • @vaqueroliquido7339
      @vaqueroliquido7339 Місяць тому +4

      because Riot keeps pumping resources into LCS even while it's failing. Meanwhile, LEC keeps losing resources. Also, LCS leadership is willing to make changes to try and keep it interesting while LEC leadership seems like it's trying to keep things the way they have been since last year, even though it obviously isn't working.

    • @chaboiearl4266
      @chaboiearl4266 Місяць тому +11

      @@vaqueroliquido7339 Bro WHAT. Riot is not fucking “pumping resources into LCS.” LCS got huge cuts and layoffs too, and on top of that they are deleting the entire region next year, losing 2 teams, losing a world’s spot, are you joking? That is the most delusional statement ive ever seen.

    • @FrogWalrus
      @FrogWalrus Місяць тому

      @@vaqueroliquido7339 way to be 110% wrong.

  • @dutchdude1985
    @dutchdude1985 Місяць тому +1

    How its all turned upside down, EU used to absolutely pump out insane content for the league with NA being meme central. Here we are with NA consistantly putting out insane content besides the matchups and EU not only not having banger content the one thing youre left with the matches themselves are far too often plain sh*t.

  • @nancy9324
    @nancy9324 14 днів тому

    I'm not kidding you when I say I watched every LEC matches (since 2016 when it's still EULCS) up until summer & season final last year (2023), but I find it hard to watch it this year. I agree with you both, it kinda feel pointless to follow LEC bc of all the major changes (since the lay offs i think). Coupled with team's quality and performances at international tournaments. It just breaks my heart because I've seen how the peak looked like

  • @awsomegamer1485
    @awsomegamer1485 Місяць тому +1

    I used to love watching lec, but now all my favorite teams collapsed and it's just a g2 region at this point. I couldn't care less for other teams, just gonna root for g2 at worlds and maybe watch their finals of lec, that's it.

  • @epinefedrina
    @epinefedrina Місяць тому

    They need to bring Fearless Draft. Everyone plays the same. Fearless draft including all the bans of every run. Make teams come up with different drafts on Bo3.

  • @Livius_42
    @Livius_42 Місяць тому

    7:45 - i felt that...
    I don't like the 3 split format for what, 1 split MSI, 1 for Worlds now we have three and some of the teams don't play for 6 months
    Just kick 3-4 teams, maybe make BO3

    • @Tom-jy3in
      @Tom-jy3in Місяць тому

      just make a qualification tourney with double elim for everything but worlds and screw the splits

  • @sleepless1566
    @sleepless1566 6 днів тому

    As a destiny 2 player, gaming is f?cked in 2024.

  • @Velereonics
    @Velereonics Місяць тому +2

    in a way this is a good thing. And that probably sounds dumb to people who are like working for the LEC because it was a career path for them at one point but look at other esports. And how many team esports have ever even briefly been as big as league. or at least sizable enough that it's lasted for years. counterstrike is the only one I can think of. include starcraft because it was technically team-based even though each individual match was 1v1.
    those games were durable in the mainstream because their communities were already forming competitive leagues on their own and they needed the game clients to be able to accommodate that, and they needed some kind of authority who could monitor cheating and things like that.
    as they get bigger then you need a different kind of legal legitimacy because you have kids that are playing in it and you have people traveling between countries and it just becomes logistically so complicated that the companies themselves have to step in.
    that's what happened with starcraft, that's what happened with Counter-Strike and that's what happened with League.
    so they were organically formed competitive scenes that people wanted and what they needed was not a bunch of oversight to the game, they needed logistical support and they needed monetary support, they needed legal protection because of the amount of money and the amount of people and the age of the people involved.
    My favorite example is OverWatch and they basically just tried to give a fully developed pro scene to the community and say this is it and it's good and it was like... no one knew who any of these people are that are playing. why are there this many teams why are they from these specific cities like what's going on.
    teams always used to be just formed by players and then eventually they would win enough that they would get picked up by sponsors so it was like a natural process as opposed to the corporation forcing the structure onto everyone.
    what happened to OverWatch it died really fast like within a couple years and the viewership was never very good. no one has any investment in any of the teams because no one knows anyone on it.
    when League first was getting big The narrative was like TSM versus CLG And specifically the players on it like people were watching their streams and then they were on pro teams and that was fun.
    if you're just buying a player who's good on another server there's no narrative to that it's not interesting. if the vast majority of the teams in your league are literally phoning it in, then it brings your whole League down.
    It will never work to just skip the whole phase of building something organically And instead formalizing it immediately like from the get-go. And similarly if you had an organic community, but then you do a lot of artificial meddling and gatekeeping and other stupid things, then you're going to kill your league, And the only way to recover is to go back to building an organic scene.
    Brazil kind of has been doing that. fans are excited about their teams and they know their players and they're having fun with it. they aren't just importing a bunch of Koreans.
    so if LEC loses all of its funding like raya just doesn't put anything behind it and the LEC doesn't give anybody money for content, it's going to kill off the corporate part of it and like basically they'll just drop it because it's not profitable anymore and then anybody can pick it up. that recent tournament that had like Nemesis and all those people in it that's like a sign of what will happen because the one of those teams is just going to get like thrown into LEC because they're not going to be able to sell the spot and so they're just going to give it to a team like that for free. And that'll be an organic team to replace caps basically so that poor man can retire.

  • @Turiwn
    @Turiwn Місяць тому

    I’ve been following the League scene since early Season 2 and have always been a fan of all League content, but IWD is correct. It seems like the LEC made a smart move back in the day by franchising the entire ecosystem. (Imagine leaving the LEC at the perfect time, like Schalke LOL, banking €18 million to save the club - anyways.) I also believe that the LEC needs to make some changes; they either need to go big or go home. They’re placing a massive burden on clubs, which have to maintain financial pressure without receiving enough in return. Viewership is declining, brands aren’t allocating marketing budgets, and while the quality of games remains high, they’ve become super repetitive. So, where do we go from here? What are the solutions?

  • @Scathed1
    @Scathed1 Місяць тому

    God, please, fearless draft would get me to watch every game I possibly could

  • @SkiesWRLD
    @SkiesWRLD Місяць тому +1

    LEC and LCS suffer from the same problem, both regions are maximizing profits by using old popular players to sell merch and make money, they gave up on winning trophies, having a good worlds run, etc. instead of recruiting up and coming talent that are their prime, they run 28 year old players, this is not okey. Look at LPL and LCK best players in recent years they are all young players with the exception of greats like faker who are consistent every year. Do you know how many superstar players T1 has produced? You wouldn't really know because the main roster stays the same for the most part, but majority of teams in the LCK have players that have been to the T1 academy, thats insane, the player who won worlds in EDG Scout was an academy T1 player. T1 Academy is the best league academy in the world shown by their amazing results but every team is nurturing talent, something that LCS and LEC are missing, they gave up. There needs to be a change in leadership in all of these teams, get the nepo babies out and put real quality coaches in charge, get some LCK/LPL coaches get some training programs, put qualified people in positions of power, etc.

  • @Aceinine
    @Aceinine Місяць тому

    Caedral really might have a point about the issue stemming from a lack of caster freedom and budgets.
    The year with the rap content was by far one of my favorite seasons of LEC. I remember enjoying it more than every other international League at the time.

  • @hanogover
    @hanogover Місяць тому

    League even stopped drops, even when I didn't care about the game I would watch it for the drops or have it in background, you would get one chest at least per game now you get nada

  • @bartomiejbialik8989
    @bartomiejbialik8989 Місяць тому

    Yeah I kinda feel the same. I just watch TH games, cuz I really like Wunder and Jankos. Also the new format is soooo boring and hype killing is crazy. It's just like I have to watch 4 finals in one year of LEC and like tbh none of this finals really matter and moreover no matter what, G2 is winning most of them anyway. Also players personality almost not exist. Like tbh right now the only players with personality would be Jankos, Carzy, BB and Flakked. And maybe Nisqy. The rest is just like some NPCs in a background.

  • @rishovmukherjee2596
    @rishovmukherjee2596 Місяць тому +1

    For me, LEC is missing the seriousness. Like having fun and all is important, but at the end of the day if you watch LPL or LCK, they are dead serious with their performances. LEC teams apart from G2 maybe, don't really feel serious at all. Like yeah sure we play, we lose, who cares..go again next. It feels too casual at times for me! It almost feels like the effort is missing where teams work hard to perform domestically and internationally. The eagerness to improve seems to be gone and its the same old over and over!

    • @biyao1337
      @biyao1337 Місяць тому +1

      it's called performing good enough to get the paycheck and not getting kicked out.

    • @TpDgreat
      @TpDgreat 13 днів тому

      yeah i think this is the main reason, at some point a certain player will hit his peak and loses his competitiveness it happens on some if not most players like me, back when i started playing LoL i was really into it i wanna get good i wanna main champions but when i felt that ive reached my peak not really peak but i got stuck at plat 2 XD. i said to my self okay i think thats it ive been playing lol for a long time now then it hits me, like i dont care anymore if i lose i doesnt hurt or piss me anymore. im not sure but i have other reasons as well
      1. i want to play other games (this was the time fortnite was on the rise)
      2. i got older XD (maybe the reason my competitiveness in gaming banished)
      3. plat 2 was the sweet spot for me u can still pick non meta champs in short i can still enjoy playing my fave champs not like in higher ranks were they will doomed u for picking non meta champs and the trashtalk was toxic sure i understand but at that time thats not the reason i play LoL i want to have some fun. (losing my competitiveness)
      last point is some players doesnt have that hunger like lets say the LPL or LCK players or the non major regions have. correct me if im wrong but i feel like for LPL and LCK players winning a championship is more valuable than their salary and their rivalry is still intact to this day.

  • @SteveO3030
    @SteveO3030 Місяць тому

    Kind of seems like E-sports, especially in the west, is just dying (or at least heading for a serious lull). I feel like it got big in the 2010s on top of a VC bubble where orgs went to investors and said "look! our viewership is growing! give us your money and you'll see huge growth!" and now everyone's realized that there's no great tipping point coming, it's just not that profitable, and all the money those orgs got they spent on over-inflated player contracts and giving their friends director-level bullshit jobs. Same thing is happening/happened with a million startups and companies like uber that were never profitable but just kept alive by speculative investment. Now we're likely heading into a global recession and no one wants to just throw money at kids playing video games in the hopes that it might pay off in grubhub sponsorships and twitch revenue.

  • @poeskey
    @poeskey Місяць тому

    There is too many splits. it should have just stayed 2 splits. Spring, Winter. Then fill the summer with international tourneys. Even small ones bring in decent viewership. They need to go back and scale back like lcs did and bring it back to the days like 2019, or 2015.

  • @limitless9484
    @limitless9484 Місяць тому

    Are ppl taking into consideration that it literally has 3 (4 if you cound "season final playoffs" before worlds ) split format every year? So it literally requires a LOT more work than the other regions do, and riot, the way i view it, hasnt rly given them the materials to perform all that work that is needed (literally firing Quickshot took a HUGE toll on the league and it SHOWS and also Caedrel leaving to become a streamer, also dagda and the guy that got quickshot fired are just disgusting imo) . Also half the teams being terrible is not only LEC case, it literally is the case in every single region lol, literally every worlds has the same exact teams, maybe some new LPL or LCK teams (which btw have the same players inside them but with a different branding). LEC just had, as caedrel said, all the spotlight cause it was the most entertaining league for so long, so it's kind of normal for it to recieve the most hate as well

  • @mgl6289
    @mgl6289 Місяць тому

    next year will definitely be different, but lcs has had all these changes because they NEEDED them lec is still getting good viewers so riot may not be incentivized to change so much

  • @MrNommerz
    @MrNommerz Місяць тому

    As someone who has watched LCK since season 3 Bo1s are so bad, and they have only seemed worse and worse as time has gone on. While there's definitely more than one thing wrong with the LEC, any league still running Bo1s is immediately among the worst IMO. It feels like it takes so much skill out of the game, the drafts become so bad. I used to think Bo1s would make the drafts more interesting but the opposite is true, no one risks any picks because if the game goes badly they lose the all-in. At best, shitty teams coinflip niche picks against the teams they have no chance against, and they might win the "series" because of it. NA and EU both suck eggs and I can't help but feel a huge part of that is/was the Bo1 format. That shit has got to go.

  • @roye7304
    @roye7304 Місяць тому

    The thing i also dislike about the 3 split format is that you don't really have any way to come back. Week 3 the results are pretty much set in stone. Something like the Schalke miracle run cannot happen now

  • @w1ndt
    @w1ndt 18 днів тому

    When I started watching LEC around 2020 I was immediately hooked. The fun or sometimes goofy games were fun to watch and the production made it so much better. Every pro player had a chance to let their personality shine with content which made me atleast care about them a lot more. This year though I can't help but feel LEC has lost the plot. The casters try their best but they can't do all of it. Players don't get to express themselves which in turn makes people care about the players less. LEC is losing the personality at an alarming rate.

  • @jeffreymarte5967
    @jeffreymarte5967 Місяць тому +1

    I'd say G2 success has been one of the biggest problems for LEC. The fact that G2 and all other team feel like they are a thousand miles apart really demotivates enjoyment and fans. Why get hyped about your team achieving 1st when you know that there's a boogeyman at the top.

    • @jeffreymarte5967
      @jeffreymarte5967 Місяць тому

      And more power to G2 for demostrating their prowess and skill. But, still, this speaks to the weakness of the league as a whole.

  • @cause951
    @cause951 Місяць тому

    i used to watch the whole streams nowadays im just tuning in for the games and watch live views and costreams so sad

  • @richardleenknegt4749
    @richardleenknegt4749 Місяць тому

    I completely understand your point, but I do think the layoffs from Riot's side make a lot of sense. For the LPL and LCK, live views and co-streams have made Western viewers more invested in the league because some of their favorite personalities were there to make it interesting. However, for the LCS and LEC, it had the opposite effect. People preferred watching you or "the sack" commentate on the games rather than a high-production cast, which obviously costs a lot of money.
    So, it makes sense for Riot to see this and decide to reduce the amount of money they spend on production. They might have used a similar argument to reduce the number of road shows. But I do agree that this has made it a lot less hype, and I also don't like the three-split format.

  • @Roxyopal77
    @Roxyopal77 Місяць тому

    And we love that you still being hopeful shows and you do act like a member of the community - I'll keep watching, but do agree that the production has decreased - the players in interviews are the ones carrying

  • @MikeyDLuffy
    @MikeyDLuffy Місяць тому

    I havent watched LEC at all in the past few months and i dont even know why tbh. The quality of the production definitely dropped off and i do think maybe it was just fatigue. I didnt even consciously make a decision to stop, i just realized it now after watching this video lol

  • @faseeghmarcus8763
    @faseeghmarcus8763 Місяць тому

    What if they just got the casters to make more songs. The one for Rekkless making a comeback was really good. They can make skits with the players.

    • @seishin4243
      @seishin4243 Місяць тому

      It's not a problem of lack of ideas, it's there's no budget for doing more.

  • @kdkwan7016
    @kdkwan7016 Місяць тому +4

    When there is no content from LEC, I'm just not getting intrest with any of the games.
    For sure if the teams are better, more people will watch the games.
    But contents mean a lot when the games are low quality.
    It is still fun to watch the G2 rekkles sink.

    • @Arkanna96
      @Arkanna96 Місяць тому +1

      The rap battles added so much hype a few years back.

  • @hoanghaothien7877
    @hoanghaothien7877 Місяць тому

    0:03 lil bro -500$ xdd

  • @PayamRPooya
    @PayamRPooya Місяць тому

    Imo LEC really needs to do 3 things to bring back the disenchanted viewers
    1. Format ( this Bo1 in Studio BS has gone long enough , it's bad for teams , bad for viewers and bad for content team and casters )
    2. Funding ( it's obvious the org is running on pennies and dimes , and that's fine for a new game or indie game tournament but when aesthetic doesn't match the prestige , it really turns viewers off )
    3. BRING QUICKSHOT BACK ( it can be a coincidence that budget cuts happened at the same time as Quickshot firing , but i really think anybody watching LEC can agree that quality dropped drastically since his exit , it's not a one man job , but sometimes the presence of one man can really elevate the experience of collective and Quickshot for sure was that one man . i really don't think there is any possible community backlash if they bring him back , and you can see how much love he has for the game and casting in his YT videos and how much he misses it , it's a win win in my opinion , and i really don't think anyone disagrees , if you do , plz tell me why )

  • @nickkowak9628
    @nickkowak9628 Місяць тому +2

    He's on crack, but he's right.

  • @derpip4325
    @derpip4325 Місяць тому

    What about getting rid of the franchise system. So teams can drop out of the LEC and make the teams care about not getting last place cause u can loose sth. Its all about the top teams but nothin intressting about the lower teams. Imo it would make a big differance

  • @WhiteSekii
    @WhiteSekii Місяць тому

    I'd be curious to know if LEC is the league with the highest average career length for active players. The reason I stopped watching LCS a few years back is because I was always seeing the same old faces that could win internationally just constantly swap teams, and the fact that I stopped watching LEC a few years back as well and still hear a bunch of the same name seem to me like a reason to not go back

    • @hubertdabrowski3548
      @hubertdabrowski3548 Місяць тому +1

      Tbh most of the current lec roaters are rookies / players that joined in the last 2/3 years. Some og's like caps wunder miky hily jankos are still there.

    • @WhiteSekii
      @WhiteSekii Місяць тому

      @@hubertdabrowski3548 I see, I probably just caught it when they were playing

  • @maekoh
    @maekoh Місяць тому

    The rivalry analogy is a perfect example of where the LEC is at. And it's why the LCK does it so much better. We could see T1 v GenG another 100 times and it'd be a hype finals almost every time, however the LEC, whether its due to zero hype or just lackluster performances, it's just another "eh whoever wins, wins" type of series. LCK builds up storylines, hype, consistently good performances etc, the LEC simply doesn't do any of that.