The best part of the fight was the inclusion of Paul's visions about alternate timelines. Some where he dies, and others where Jamis lived and served as a mentor to him after he joined the Sietch. It really added weight to the assertion from the book "I was a friend of Jamis." Paul, in a way, KNEW Jamis. The real Jamis. Not the angry, aggressive man who was lashing out due to wounded pride. But the wise, introspective man of the desert, who served as a teacher and older brother to a Paul who will never be. The best version of a good man. The person Paul was desperately trying to preserve before being confronted with the necessity of having to kill for survival...
Wow, Fantastic insight. Jamis was such a fantastic character and the anticipation throughout the film that Jamis would meet Paul and mentor him only for that expectation to be subverted really made me want to read the book. I suppose Jamis did mentor Paul. Thank you for the comment and wonderful input!
@@MovieMaketh Also the fact that he cried about Jamis's death (in the book) made a lot of Fremen respect him more due to losing water over it (unheard of), growing the muad'dib storyline
Another small, easily overlooked detail: When he dies Paul covers Jamies eyes with his hand, the Fremen handling the body do the same. This is to prevent any tears getting wasted - so anither instance of Paul knowing the ways of the desert This fight has an insane amount of small hints and details that truly demonstrate a deep knowledge and appreciation of the books
"May thy knife chip and shatter" Refers to the Fremen belief that when a fremen dies their Crysknife dissolves. It is somewhat like saying, may you die a good fremen.
It was more than a belief. A crysknife naturally disintegrated if not near the slight electrical field produced by a body, unless they were “fixed” (treated). The reason they were rarely unsheathed was ceremonial. It was their belief that a crysknife must draw blood if unsheathed, so Fremen would cut themselves if they drew their knife without using it. Outsiders were also killed if they saw an unsheathed crysknife.
Another interpretation of "May thy knife chip and shatter" is that, because the crysknife is a tooth of Shai-Hulud, declaring that the knife would shatter is like saying 'may God abandon you.'
@@TheErockaustin This practice comes from the Ghurka, with whom I served in the military a long time ago (yes, they still exist). If a Ghurka unsheathes their knife, they must draw blood, from a attacker or themselves. And they are badass.
I don't think that's what it's supposed to imply, as it's usually said with a bit of a sneer in the tone. IIRC, the idea is that since the knife is a tooth of Shai-Hulud, it's a blessed weapon, and thus it would only break if you are proven false in the eyes of god (Shai-Hulud). So saying it to someone before a battle, is something of a mocking taunt, implying they are a heretic, or unclean, etc etc. Typical religious insults thrown at an opponent before a duel.
I was very surprised in the movie that they didn't include Paul shedding a tear after killing jamis, and the fremen's awe that Paul 'gives water to the dead'. I thought it was a particularly poignant part of the book, and would have been a quick and easy addition to the movie. Maybe they thought it would make Paul look soft, idk. Either way, I did think this was one of the best adaptations I've ever seen
There is so much in Dune - just the first novel. Many details, and entire characters, were omitted for this excellent most recent film adaptation. I dislike how little screen time the Emperor was given; the 'non-super-powered' puppet master. His presence behind the battle of Arrakis was non-existent and his defeat at the end of Dune Part 2 felt like an afterthought at best (also the ending/finale of Part 2 felt very rushed). Director Villenueve had to select - and omit - story beats from the novel. The only way to 'convert' the novel that is Dune into a film is to shred many pages of it (or make it an 8+ hour film which I would happily watch).
@@cosource378man as a reader of the book what do you really liked about this adaptation? Tbh, I hated it. But, I wonder about your opinion. I have been an avid story consumer all my life, and dune books breaks so many patterns I am tired off. But, the movie adaptations of villeneuve reinforces hollywood stereotypes and pandering to pc.
@@andrew-hf9fl I thought he shed a tear during Jamis’s funeral in the book. They cut that scene from the movie. I’m assuming its removal has more to do with the brevity of the adaptation than concerns about Paul looking “soft”.
I love how you hear breathing and other noises. Makes for more realism. Also there aren't a lot of unrealistic moves in general, like flips and spins... makes it be more believable.
‘Why does he play with him” Jessica”He Has never killed before” In that moment he earned their sympathy. It’s a Masterclass in adaptation without resorting to exposition from what is one of the most pivotal scenes in the novel. Denis absolutely nailed it.
The best fight scene in history will always be held by the duel between Jet Li and Donnie Yen in the movie “Hero”. There are so many layers to it from both a storytelling and kinetic angle, with barely a word spoken.
Everyone is correct in their own way. The Raid 2 fight - insane, the Hero fight - epic and beautiful, and the 1 on 1 Paul Atredes fights, both this one and the one at the end of Dune 2 - emotional, intense and just perfect.
agree 100%. i've been drawn to and have watched this fight scene at least 20 times. it's real, surreal, and haunting - watching a boy transition into a man through combat.
These movies have touched the conscious of many simply by attention to detail and taking the flow methodically- so many layers portrayed at one time that is so relatable to the struggles of our time.
I still like this fight better from the 2000 mini-series, Paul asks Jamis to yield and Stilgar yells out "There is no yieding! It's to the death boy!"Paul's mother says "He has never killed before." Stillgar's answer was totally Freemen "Then he had better learn." The Minni series was my favorite as it had a lot more time for world-building, conversations, and building up of the antagonists. The new one is my favorite for the graphics.
I’m reading The Heart and Soul of Dune right now which mentions the 2000 mini-series. Sounds interesting putting Dune in TV format, I’ll add it to the list!
@@MovieMaketh It is 24 years old and looks it. But the story was kept as close to the books as possible. With 6 hours to play with there was a lot of interesting conversations and interactions that really gave depth to the story. It lacked in costumes, sometimes in acting and the computer graphics are well...24 years old so...
@@cotillion Ya I'm sad they aren't going to go that far in this iteration of the remakes. Children of Dune resolved a lot of the unanswered stuff about Paul's destiny. I found the 1980s Dune movie to have the best villain portrayals, which always makes a movie better. Sting was a little cookie, but the Barron was fun to hate, and Piter was wicked too with his lust for lady jessica, as well as the emperor and the spacing guild being more fully developed than the new version did.
@@clintpot8521 I watched the movie when I was a kid and read the books as an adult, and kept on wondering when the 'Weirding modules' would be introduced... waiting... wondering... lol...
Always felt that although he salute jamis, it was more of an ode to duncan and his sacrifice to reach that point. Much like the knife fight in pt 2 he added the “chip and shatter” as well as the chest thumping as an ode to jamis. I liked the details that he is incorporating these aspects to his fighting style and rituals.
This is a good fight scene, but there are too many cuts in the edit and while the performers are good, there are many scenes that are much better, both in narrative and choreography. Mandy Patinkin vs Cary Elwes in The Princess Bride, Liam Neeson vs Tim Roth in Rob Roy, Chow Yun Fat vs Michelle Yeoh in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, The Viper vs The Mountain in Game Of Thrones, and so on.
Good observation, I love the Princess Bride. That's a tough list to compete with. Usually I would agree with you on there being too many cuts but that actually serves a purpose. At the start of the fight there are a lot of cuts that symbolize Paul's nervousness. You'll actually notice that as the fight continues and Paul gets more and more confident we stay mostly in the same frame until the end of the fight. Thank you!
I agree. I don't think this fight scene choreography is as dynamic and visually appealing as the scenes you mentioned, however I appreciate the storyline complexity and nuances explained by the narrator.
came here to say this. the one in Dune was a great fight scene, but not the best. I would add to your list Jack Sparrow vs Will Turner from the 1st pirates movie. we learn so much of these 2 characters, it is very light-hearted, and it has humor.
While this fight is amazing, plays an integral role in the movie and is full of small details, i think fight scene may be a little too broad a term for it if you also claim its the best. Best knife fight scene sure. Best fight scene? I give that to The Raid. But cool vid. Thanks for taking the time to make it and share it
@@MovieMaketh agreed 100%. Imo they are re-iterating that with the strange female voice during this same scene. The "paul atreides must die for KW to rise" + "when you take a life, you take your own" lines really signify that he will be completely different
Never really thought about how he did in fact teach Paul the way of the desert, which kinda suggests Paul's dreams always come true, just not always literally as he dreams them.
Rob Roy had some pretty great fight scenes too. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon had about 5 or 6 that made me realize I was holding my breath the entire time.
I think my all time favourite fight scene will always be Nada vs Frank in They Live. Having said that? The build up to Jamis and Paul in part one is built up perfectly from the first time we see Paul to the reveal that Paul knows what Jamis is doing with his hands behind his back. It's the most important fight in all of the battles of any of the Dune novels. A huge part of me want to see Jamis and Paul become good friends, but if that were to occur the hero's journey counts for nothing. I watched both parts one and two back to back last night, and the placement of the duel is perfect. A lot of Dune fans have issues with Villeneuve's focus on Paull's journey over the internal thoughts and politics as a whole from every side in the story, excepting the crucial plot points, but to see him transform from a boy with dreams to a man with a singular vision is perfectly executed. This is the first of yours that I have seen. Instant subscription, and I'm looking forward to more!
Maybe for the woke age of movies this is a good fight, but ya, there's tons of great fight scenes in the oldies but goodies category. I remember two sword masters in the Tyrone Powers version of Zorro - Tyrone Powers, and Basil Rathbone, duking it out in close quarters, and many other greats that weren't even the best fighters of their time - Gene Kelly in the Three Musketeers, Erol Flynn in Robinhood, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, etc. Perhaps the name of the video was meant to generate controversy and good conversation?!
"May thy knife chip and shatter" is a Fremen saying that refers to the crysknives. An "unfixed" Crysknife disintegrated - shatters - when not in the immediate vicinity of a living body's electrical field. Thus, when the wielder of a crysknife died, their weapon would shatter. The House Atreides novel penned allegedly by Brian Herbert and a collaborator said that the fixed versions were keyed to an individual's electric field, so when its owner dies that knife also shattered. Whether this is canon or not depends on your views of the "expanded universe" of Dune novels outside of the original six by Frank Herbert.
Agreed. I must have watched that scene, run it back and watched it again about 15 times the first time I watched the film. I ADORE the books, especially the first of them, and of course am aware of the numerous differences between the storylines of the first book and Denis Villeneuve's film based on the first half of it, but I think I get why he made those choices. As science fiction directors of today go, I can't really think of one I admire more. I'm not trying to imply that Villeneuve's star shine's brighter than say Ridley Scott's, but rather that his vision as a writer and director of science fiction films is more in line with many modern fascinations in the field of physics, and that his capacity to realise the set of societal orders Frank Herbert envisioned has proven to be absolutely on-point. I'm gushing a bit, aren't I? But are these science fiction masterpieces Villeneuve's given us over the years not maybe worth a little bit of gushing over? I am absolutely aching to see the second instalment. I hope to get the opportunity soon. Lord knows I need a little bit of the good kind of mind blowing right now.
That was beautiful. I always wondered what the meaning behind the dream was. Thanks to your insightful analysis, now I know. I don't agree with your classification of this being the best fight scene ever, but after the video, I concede that it is one of the best. Cheers.
It's a very impressive scene. I'm sure some directors would use quick cuts, shaky-cam, all the usual tricks to try and make it seem fast paced and frantic. But no, the camera work is great, showing all the important moves with enough cuts to various angles to keep it interesting without making it too hectic. I thought both actors did a fantastic job as well, since without all the fast cuts you have to nail the choreography. It definitely came across as a real fight between opponents that were drastically different in their style.
This fight scene is the sum of all of Paul’s dreams to this point. That’s what makes it so dope. I knew they were going to end the film here, but I couldn’t understand why at first.
I don't know anything AT ALL about dune but this was a phenomenal breakdown and now i'm going to watch the movies, and then get the books. I know you advised we read the books first but i'm already on the video and amazon isn't always fast. Glad I was rebellious and seeking instant gratification for once lol great work.
I like the Fight Scene.. But the BEST? Realy? I was happy to see in that you wrote it´s hyperbole. I think for all you explained it is a immersive Fight scene that is believable at the moment of Watching and that is great for todays standart.
I am a lifelong fan of dune that has also studied extensively in Hema and more specifically historic knife combatives the forms used in the new adaptation are reminiscent of arnis kali but they also seem do draw heavy from something that looks like Fiore de'i Liberi (italian medieval dagger dueling system) with the catches and use of grips reverse grips are often used improperly for flashy movie knife scenes instead of the far more versatile reach overhand gives. Something I've garnered from much contact sparring with knife is that things boil down to reach and can quickly devolve to a grappling setup opportunistic slashes Will open the door but structured thrusts and stabs carry more disproportionate lethality a competent knife fighter from stationary can draw upon a ten foot thrust reach you are playing with range vying over it Jamis at the beginning of the duel practically offers up the most vulnerable targets on his body to Paul as if he's mocking his chivalry his sense of gentlemanly conduct in an otherwise savage exchange predicting he won't advance while also coaxing him into the range of his own blade where he might hook upward into the arm or a passing step cut. The breathing and intensity are on point as knife based combatives is truly a full body expenditure your mind and eyes are tracking you have to remain calculative as the body naturally dumps its adrenalin its not uncommon for knife fighters to use deliberate controlled breathing or exhales that sound audibly like a hiss as they deliver its also commonplace to open with opportunistic cuts to the eyeline the structures if the wrist and fingers in attempt to disable otherwise shift the balance of the fight there are no guarantees and even very good fencers will be forced to take a cut or superficial blow that may not prove fatal the longer the fight goes on the greater the window becomes there are absolutely fencing arts tied to daggers/knives that seem to offer greater percentages of survival and disengage from an opponent in a dueling context two party knife on knife not outside the realm of possible more often the knife is launched from a place of subterfuge within 21ft very fast very ugly studying the way they move the biomechanics of common strikes can yield helpful advantages for instance the way a human arm works a horror movie stab that typical downward driving strike is usually intercepted stepping in catching the arm high outside the muscular arc of motion but would be very hard to stop beyond this point in full momentum of the stab.
That was a wonderful analysis. I've read that book at least 5 times over the years. As a martial artist, that scene is the only fight in the 1st movie that resonated with me. Your take on the phycology of Jamus I think is spot on and something I will think about for some time.
The fight scenes in these movies are incredible. So kenetic and brutal yet elegant. Jamis really should have picked up on Paul's skill level when he so easily got passed him earlier though. I would have liked to see the mentor Jamis version.
more on dune plz, totally agree with your pov. No spoilers only 8 chapters in book. IMO this is the greatest trilogy ever (pending a decent-good 3rd movie). I usually have unpopular opinions but I'm seeing a ton advocating for the movies as top sci fi films of all time, and it's so relieving to know I'm not the only one. 😂 The sound effects, visuals, soundtrack, and most importantly, acting are unmatched. Yes, they had the advantage of being released in 2024 and not the 80s or early 00 but it's still near factual that the cinematography is unrivaled.
I’m willing to die on the hill that Dune is probably as good as it gets when it comes to sci-fi films. Unpopular opinion though: Dune Part 1 > Dune Part 2. Thank you for commenting and keep on reading that book!
Enjoy the books!! They add so much to the films. Part 2 has some book allusions but it's really part 1 that benefits from knowing the book as the film alludes to so much and becomes richer in detail upon knowing the deeper story. For example the wider meaning of the Gom Jabar and philosophy of the Bene Gesserit.
Yes, I do most heartily wish that this scene would have included Paul shedding tears over Jamis' death. It shows Paul's nobility and respect for human life from his core. Paul's tears astounded the group of Fremen, 'He gives water to the dead . . .' an amazement.
I would like to congratulate on a very well thought out and delivered narrative for your video. In this day of AI narrative constructs and voice overs, it was refreshing to hear what someone who put actual thought into how they wanted to communicate what they wanted to say. Even if you used AI to polish your script a bit, it still came across very nicely. I look forward to seeing more of your work. IF I might offer one piece of constructive criticism, it would be that in places, your delivery seemed very much like you were reading to me, instead of talking to me, as if you had temporarily lost the nuance of verbal language and fallen back to reading what someone else wrote for you to say. But those moments were both few and far between, and you've definitely earned a fan (and a subscriber) with this work.
That’s quite possibly the nicest comment I’ve received so far. Firstly, thank you very much. Secondly, I started this channel partly out of a distaste from AI. I believe AI is eroding unique thought and perspective. I don’t use AI in any part of the video making process because then it wouldn’t be my work, it would be ChatGPTs work. Thank you for such a kind and thoughtful comment, more content coming very soon!
I highly recommend reading all of the Dune series including Bryan Herbert/Kevin Anderson continuation books. There is so much to unpack and understand in the two movies that you just can’t understand without the rest of the series.
In the book Lady Jessica sees a spark of satisfaction in Paul's eyes at the adoration he receives for his duel. A spark that could transform him into a murderous monster like his grandfather. She pre-empts this transformation by delivering a savage and calculated accusation: "How does it feel to be a murderer?" I wish that one made it into the movie, but it would be hard to contextualize without internal monologue.
In the book, which I have not read since around about 1979 it is explicitly said * that he realises DURING the fight that he is losing mana/standing with the watching Fremen because he is not willing to kill Jamis but he repeatedly shows he could kill him. *I believe he says it to himself, and becomes aware they are feeling that from his ability to read humans
I pause the video. If you saw the movie. If you didn’t read this book. You can’t undo this. This is the one book where the book is better than the movie. From a 50 year old fan that’s not a hipster or douchbag. Honestly.
One change to the fight that i have a slight gripe with, is the reason the fight is dragged out. In the movie, Paul is simply trying not to have to kill Jamis. He stops his attacks short, and tries to convince Jamis to yield. In the books, Jessica explains that it looks like Paul is embarassing Jamis, not out of a desire to spare him, but because he has been trained his whole life to slow his blade at the last moment in order to push through a body shield. As soon as Paul himself realizes what he is doing, he kills Jamis at the next opportunity. Then we get to where most people have a complaint, that the movie doesn't show Paul crying for Jamis after killing him. I think this was removed because of the decision to to include Paul's attempts to spare Jamis. By clearly having Paul ask Jamis to yield, it already establishes his regret at having to kill Jamis, both to the audience and to the Fremen. For casual fans just watching a movie, this is probably a "better" way to show the fight and establish how the Fremen begin to view Paul.
I am pretty sure that when in Paul's dreams he see Jamis talk to him, that Paul is actually seeing through Chani's eyes. He's seeing an interaction between Jamis and Chani.
Pretty Good. But one Better is in "Atomic Blonde". About halfway into the movie Charlize Theron takes on about 8 or 10 Russian agents in a no holds fight that lasts about 10 minutes without a single cut screen during the fight. It is actually full contact fighting because the camera never leaves the fight or changes angles. There is no other fight scene like it. It's a great movie, that will surprise you throughout. It's set in Berlin just days before the Berlin Wall comes down and deals with German, American, and Russian spies. Great twist at the end you never see coming. Great movie, and I think has the best movie fight scene of them all.
The novel Dune is so freakin' amazing that everyone should feel compelled to recommend it to anyone else at any time they have a spare second or two. It's a literary triumph of such a degree that all the beauty of the bible, the koran and the vedas all pale in comparison to the literary divinity published by Herbert.
While i've no doubt this is a memorable and worthy effort, there is just no room for dispute, the best fight scene in the history of cinema is the sword fight in the Princess Bride.
4:08 I liked the book version of the fight way more then either of the movie adaptations. This fight established in the books that Paul is a supreme fighter, trained by some of the galaxies best killers for higher. He absolutely dominates this fight all the while attempting to show mercy and off the call the fight off, leading him to learn important lessons about Fremen culture and customs.
Dune is one of my favorite stories from the mini series and the newer adaptations. Saying that, I couldn't say it's the best fight scene ever...... I really like last the last fight scene from "The Man From Nowhere". Amazing knife fight..... Brutal
IMO there are plenty of fight scenes with far superior dramaturgy to them - Ridley Scott's The Duelists, Jerzy Hoffman's the Deluge, are just some of the titles to be named here...
The testosterone Bolshoi has never been my cup of tea. The most criminally underrated cinematic violence for me is when a small-time thug leans in through a car window to intimidate Bob Hoskins in _Mona Lisa_ and instantly, like a pitbull on speed, Hoskins gains an armlock on the guy's head and grinds and bangs and bangs and grinds the thug's head around the entire frame of the open car window, like a superball struck by a tennis racquet in an enclosed squash court, while barely breaking his facade of nonchalance about the monstrous rout, like he's got another one in another pocket, if you gave him 10 more seconds to fish around. I can't even find this scene on UA-cam. Criminally underrated, in the first degree.
Aw, you left out the dialogue about Paul not having killed anyone before. I have not reached this part in the book yet, but I feel like that was also very significant. That he felt remorse and even cried, wasting his own water on the death of an apparent enemy, displayed in my mind to the Fremen his empathy for all life, including theirs. I also thought that the idea of killing someone else as a self-inflicted death as well was also significant. Paul also died in that moment on that most "human" level (see: Gom Jabbar scene when he proves his humanity). Jamis taught Paul what he needed to know within his dreams leading up to this meeting, but his final lesson and more importantly, his gift as his mentor, was his own life and by extension Paul's death...so that he may arise to fulfill his promise. Personally, I think both Dune films are the best bit of cinema I've seen in at least a decade. This is an incredibly powerful scene on so many levels, and I cannot wait to see Part 3 when it comes out.
I read the books but didn't watch the series. Can't say they managed to impart how difficult it was for him to get over his trained reflexes to slow his attacks so they would get past a shield.
Good, yes. Best, absolutely not. Loving every bit of it, brings something not so new but just refreshing. Sounds and atmosphere truly elevates everything. This scene deserves to be acknowledged and sets the standards for a proper cinematic fights.
Oh dear. Love your passion for Dune. Paul v Jamis is one of the great fights in literature but in film, there are so many others which stand above this B/B+ adaptation of a great scene. FWIW, I like the actor who plays Jamis here, however for fights on Film, we need to broaden your base. Off the top of my head and in no particular order: The Duellists - any of the duels Eastern Promises - the sauna knife fight Polish film 'Potop" or The Deluge in English. Best Saber duel ever filmed.
In the book, the mentoring and friendship of vision Jamis is much more explicit and developed. In the movie we do get one or 2 visions of Jamis, so it is technically "in there", but it doesn't really develop the depth of that relationship. I understand the decision to condense this down from a "this movie can't be FOUR hours long" point of view. But you do lose some of the very cool depth and significance. If I had my perfect way, the Dune book would have been split into 3 movies with the first one ending immediately after the Harkonen attack to give more time for palace intrigue and for the Janis and Chani vision relationships.
I think Jamis showing up so little made his appearances even more powerful and potent. Definitely one of my favorite characters in the Dune universe though.
Paul's fighting is "schoolyard", meaning you don't try to kill the kid who laughed at your haircut. "Paul has never killed a man..." This something the fighting masters would have worked up to eventually, but right now he's not been trained to kill, he's just been trained to be a killer. The distinction is subtle but important. (I was effectively raised by a one-legged Marine GySgt. He knew I was going to join the USN and schooled me in need-to-know.
Good video very insightful just wanted to add the moment Paul knew he was going to kill Jamis is when Paul changes the orientation of the knife in his hand from tip up to tip down
I really liked the part where Chani is like : don't worry, Jamis won't let you suffer and you will die a swift death. Young lady, if he's the Mahdi like everyone says, a Fremen warrior should be at least a fair fight? The fact she underestimated him so much is never brought up and it irks me a little. The guy just killed one of your best warriors and all you can say is "This is only the beginning"?
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The best part of the fight was the inclusion of Paul's visions about alternate timelines. Some where he dies, and others where Jamis lived and served as a mentor to him after he joined the Sietch. It really added weight to the assertion from the book "I was a friend of Jamis." Paul, in a way, KNEW Jamis. The real Jamis. Not the angry, aggressive man who was lashing out due to wounded pride. But the wise, introspective man of the desert, who served as a teacher and older brother to a Paul who will never be. The best version of a good man. The person Paul was desperately trying to preserve before being confronted with the necessity of having to kill for survival...
Wow, Fantastic insight. Jamis was such a fantastic character and the anticipation throughout the film that Jamis would meet Paul and mentor him only for that expectation to be subverted really made me want to read the book. I suppose Jamis did mentor Paul. Thank you for the comment and wonderful input!
@@MovieMaketh Also the fact that he cried about Jamis's death (in the book) made a lot of Fremen respect him more due to losing water over it (unheard of), growing the muad'dib storyline
Another small, easily overlooked detail: When he dies Paul covers Jamies eyes with his hand, the Fremen handling the body do the same. This is to prevent any tears getting wasted - so anither instance of Paul knowing the ways of the desert
This fight has an insane amount of small hints and details that truly demonstrate a deep knowledge and appreciation of the books
Paul was a friend of Jamis, he taught Paul that when you kill a human you kill part of yourself as well.
@@razma20001 He "Gave water to the dead" if was considered a saintly act.
"May thy knife chip and shatter" Refers to the Fremen belief that when a fremen dies their Crysknife dissolves. It is somewhat like saying, may you die a good fremen.
That makes sense because in the books they always talk about not taking the Crysknife out of its sheath. Thank you so much for your comment!
It was more than a belief. A crysknife naturally disintegrated if not near the slight electrical field produced by a body, unless they were “fixed” (treated). The reason they were rarely unsheathed was ceremonial. It was their belief that a crysknife must draw blood if unsheathed, so Fremen would cut themselves if they drew their knife without using it. Outsiders were also killed if they saw an unsheathed crysknife.
Another interpretation of "May thy knife chip and shatter" is that, because the crysknife is a tooth of Shai-Hulud, declaring that the knife would shatter is like saying 'may God abandon you.'
@@TheErockaustin This practice comes from the Ghurka, with whom I served in the military a long time ago (yes, they still exist). If a Ghurka unsheathes their knife, they must draw blood, from a attacker or themselves. And they are badass.
I don't think that's what it's supposed to imply, as it's usually said with a bit of a sneer in the tone. IIRC, the idea is that since the knife is a tooth of Shai-Hulud, it's a blessed weapon, and thus it would only break if you are proven false in the eyes of god (Shai-Hulud). So saying it to someone before a battle, is something of a mocking taunt, implying they are a heretic, or unclean, etc etc. Typical religious insults thrown at an opponent before a duel.
I was very surprised in the movie that they didn't include Paul shedding a tear after killing jamis, and the fremen's awe that Paul 'gives water to the dead'. I thought it was a particularly poignant part of the book, and would have been a quick and easy addition to the movie. Maybe they thought it would make Paul look soft, idk. Either way, I did think this was one of the best adaptations I've ever seen
There is so much in Dune - just the first novel. Many details, and entire characters, were omitted for this excellent most recent film adaptation. I dislike how little screen time the Emperor was given; the 'non-super-powered' puppet master. His presence behind the battle of Arrakis was non-existent and his defeat at the end of Dune Part 2 felt like an afterthought at best (also the ending/finale of Part 2 felt very rushed). Director Villenueve had to select - and omit - story beats from the novel. The only way to 'convert' the novel that is Dune into a film is to shred many pages of it (or make it an 8+ hour film which I would happily watch).
@@cosource378 Agreed, 100%. Especially on that 8+ hour film...LOL I'd GLADLY watch that.
@@cosource378man as a reader of the book what do you really liked about this adaptation? Tbh, I hated it. But, I wonder about your opinion. I have been an avid story consumer all my life, and dune books breaks so many patterns I am tired off. But, the movie adaptations of villeneuve reinforces hollywood stereotypes and pandering to pc.
I felt the same way but I have recently learned that Paul did not in fact shed a tear in this fight but only later.
@@andrew-hf9fl I thought he shed a tear during Jamis’s funeral in the book. They cut that scene from the movie. I’m assuming its removal has more to do with the brevity of the adaptation than concerns about Paul looking “soft”.
I love how you hear breathing and other noises. Makes for more realism. Also there aren't a lot of unrealistic moves in general, like flips and spins... makes it be more believable.
The choreography in Dune is so good because it feels so real. That fight scene with Feyd-Rautha in that big arena was just the cherry on top.
‘Why does he play with him”
Jessica”He Has never killed before”
In that moment he earned their sympathy.
It’s a Masterclass in adaptation without resorting to exposition from what is one of the most pivotal scenes in the novel. Denis absolutely nailed it.
And this was the first script Denis had written since 2010. Thank you!
He was also used to fight with a force shield, be quick in deffence and slow in attack.
The best fight scene in history will always be held by the duel between Jet Li and Donnie Yen in the movie “Hero”. There are so many layers to it from both a storytelling and kinetic angle, with barely a word spoken.
100% true. I've seen a lot of movies. Maybe all of them, which are relevant.
I loved Hero, but nope. The Raid II. Kitchen fight.
Everyone is correct in their own way. The Raid 2 fight - insane, the Hero fight - epic and beautiful, and the 1 on 1 Paul Atredes fights, both this one and the one at the end of Dune 2 - emotional, intense and just perfect.
Great? Yes. Best? Nah.
yeah man. "best of all time" is a pretty high bar. this is definitely a quality fight but come on
I guess it depends on what grabs you personally.
agree 100%. i've been drawn to and have watched this fight scene at least 20 times. it's real, surreal, and haunting - watching a boy transition into a man through combat.
A boy, yes.. but a man? No, the Lisan Al Gaib.
These movies have touched the conscious of many simply by attention to detail and taking the flow methodically- so many layers portrayed at one time that is so relatable to the struggles of our time.
Everybody involved in the making of this movie was so incredibly passionate about it. It’s no wonder both films are masterpieces through and through.
Man, this was beautifully broken down. Respect to you sir.
I still like this fight better from the 2000 mini-series, Paul asks Jamis to yield and Stilgar yells out "There is no yieding! It's to the death boy!"Paul's mother says "He has never killed before." Stillgar's answer was totally Freemen "Then he had better learn." The Minni series was my favorite as it had a lot more time for world-building, conversations, and building up of the antagonists. The new one is my favorite for the graphics.
I’m reading The Heart and Soul of Dune right now which mentions the 2000 mini-series. Sounds interesting putting Dune in TV format, I’ll add it to the list!
@@MovieMaketh It is 24 years old and looks it. But the story was kept as close to the books as possible. With 6 hours to play with there was a lot of interesting conversations and interactions that really gave depth to the story. It lacked in costumes, sometimes in acting and the computer graphics are well...24 years old so...
@@MovieMaketh childen of dune series was good too
@@cotillion Ya I'm sad they aren't going to go that far in this iteration of the remakes. Children of Dune resolved a lot of the unanswered stuff about Paul's destiny. I found the 1980s Dune movie to have the best villain portrayals, which always makes a movie better. Sting was a little cookie, but the Barron was fun to hate, and Piter was wicked too with his lust for lady jessica, as well as the emperor and the spacing guild being more fully developed than the new version did.
@@clintpot8521 I watched the movie when I was a kid and read the books as an adult, and kept on wondering when the 'Weirding modules' would be introduced... waiting... wondering... lol...
Always felt that although he salute jamis, it was more of an ode to duncan and his sacrifice to reach that point. Much like the knife fight in pt 2 he added the “chip and shatter” as well as the chest thumping as an ode to jamis. I liked the details that he is incorporating these aspects to his fighting style and rituals.
I think that’s a really cool interpretation as well!
I absolutely LOVE this adaptation of Dune!! From casting to production. It’s brilliant.
The best fight scene in history is, of course, the swordfight between Inigo and The Man In Black in "The Princess Bride".🧐
But only when they are both fighting left handed... ;-)
This film is the best therapy against insomnia.
😂😂😂😂
This is a good fight scene, but there are too many cuts in the edit and while the performers are good, there are many scenes that are much better, both in narrative and choreography. Mandy Patinkin vs Cary Elwes in The Princess Bride, Liam Neeson vs Tim Roth in Rob Roy, Chow Yun Fat vs Michelle Yeoh in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, The Viper vs The Mountain in Game Of Thrones, and so on.
Good observation, I love the Princess Bride. That's a tough list to compete with. Usually I would agree with you on there being too many cuts but that actually serves a purpose. At the start of the fight there are a lot of cuts that symbolize Paul's nervousness. You'll actually notice that as the fight continues and Paul gets more and more confident we stay mostly in the same frame until the end of the fight. Thank you!
I agree. I don't think this fight scene choreography is as dynamic and visually appealing as the scenes you mentioned, however I appreciate the storyline complexity and nuances explained by the narrator.
came here to say this. the one in Dune was a great fight scene, but not the best.
I would add to your list Jack Sparrow vs Will Turner from the 1st pirates movie. we learn so much of these 2 characters, it is very light-hearted, and it has humor.
There are 2 categories for fight scenes. The actual choreography/editing, and narrative. This is good in the former category and great in the latter.
John Wick vs anyone. LOL
While this fight is amazing, plays an integral role in the movie and is full of small details, i think fight scene may be a little too broad a term for it if you also claim its the best. Best knife fight scene sure. Best fight scene? I give that to The Raid. But cool vid. Thanks for taking the time to make it and share it
Raid is insane lol. The fight scenes were all nuts
Personally, I thought the knife fights in "The Hunted" to be among the best.
This fight means more than the one on part two, this one really built Paul's character
Paul is never the same after this fight. True character transformation.
Agreed. While the choreography in part 2 is flashier, this is the more interesting and profound fight. And I find the filmmaking more sublime here.
@@MovieMaketh agreed 100%. Imo they are re-iterating that with the strange female voice during this same scene. The "paul atreides must die for KW to rise" + "when you take a life, you take your own" lines really signify that he will be completely different
Never really thought about how he did in fact teach Paul the way of the desert, which kinda suggests Paul's dreams always come true, just not always literally as he dreams them.
its like you completely ignored all asians movies for fight scenes.
Rob Roy had some pretty great fight scenes too. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon had about 5 or 6 that made me realize I was holding my breath the entire time.
IS HE TOYING WITH HIM ?!
NO, NO, HE HAD NEVER KILLED A MAN BEFORE !
Also he trained against people using shields so he is forgetting that he's not on hard mode.
I think my all time favourite fight scene will always be Nada vs Frank in They Live. Having said that? The build up to Jamis and Paul in part one is built up perfectly from the first time we see Paul to the reveal that Paul knows what Jamis is doing with his hands behind his back. It's the most important fight in all of the battles of any of the Dune novels. A huge part of me want to see Jamis and Paul become good friends, but if that were to occur the hero's journey counts for nothing.
I watched both parts one and two back to back last night, and the placement of the duel is perfect. A lot of Dune fans have issues with Villeneuve's focus on Paull's journey over the internal thoughts and politics as a whole from every side in the story, excepting the crucial plot points, but to see him transform from a boy with dreams to a man with a singular vision is perfectly executed.
This is the first of yours that I have seen. Instant subscription, and I'm looking forward to more!
Deary me, this isn't even in the top 20.
Not even the top 40.
so what is?
@@chriswilson81 , The Duelists by Ridley Scott is one of the better known troves of good movie fights.
@@YuriIdrisov I like the fight in rob roy
Maybe for the woke age of movies this is a good fight, but ya, there's tons of great fight scenes in the oldies but goodies category. I remember two sword masters in the Tyrone Powers version of Zorro - Tyrone Powers, and Basil Rathbone, duking it out in close quarters, and many other greats that weren't even the best fighters of their time - Gene Kelly in the Three Musketeers, Erol Flynn in Robinhood, Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, etc. Perhaps the name of the video was meant to generate controversy and good conversation?!
"May thy knife chip and shatter" is a Fremen saying that refers to the crysknives. An "unfixed" Crysknife disintegrated - shatters - when not in the immediate vicinity of a living body's electrical field.
Thus, when the wielder of a crysknife died, their weapon would shatter.
The House Atreides novel penned allegedly by Brian Herbert and a collaborator said that the fixed versions were keyed to an individual's electric field, so when its owner dies that knife also shattered. Whether this is canon or not depends on your views of the "expanded universe" of Dune novels outside of the original six by Frank Herbert.
Great context - thank you!
Agreed. I must have watched that scene, run it back and watched it again about 15 times the first time I watched the film. I ADORE the books, especially the first of them, and of course am aware of the numerous differences between the storylines of the first book and Denis Villeneuve's film based on the first half of it, but I think I get why he made those choices. As science fiction directors of today go, I can't really think of one I admire more. I'm not trying to imply that Villeneuve's star shine's brighter than say Ridley Scott's, but rather that his vision as a writer and director of science fiction films is more in line with many modern fascinations in the field of physics, and that his capacity to realise the set of societal orders Frank Herbert envisioned has proven to be absolutely on-point. I'm gushing a bit, aren't I? But are these science fiction masterpieces Villeneuve's given us over the years not maybe worth a little bit of gushing over? I am absolutely aching to see the second instalment. I hope to get the opportunity soon. Lord knows I need a little bit of the good kind of mind blowing right now.
That was beautiful. I always wondered what the meaning behind the dream was. Thanks to your insightful analysis, now I know. I don't agree with your classification of this being the best fight scene ever, but after the video, I concede that it is one of the best. Cheers.
It's a very impressive scene. I'm sure some directors would use quick cuts, shaky-cam, all the usual tricks to try and make it seem fast paced and frantic. But no, the camera work is great, showing all the important moves with enough cuts to various angles to keep it interesting without making it too hectic. I thought both actors did a fantastic job as well, since without all the fast cuts you have to nail the choreography. It definitely came across as a real fight between opponents that were drastically different in their style.
Awesome breakdown. Instant subscribe. I never got Janis taught Paul the ways of the desert until you said so. Amazing closing statement.
This fight scene is the sum of all of Paul’s dreams to this point. That’s what makes it so dope. I knew they were going to end the film here, but I couldn’t understand why at first.
I don't know anything AT ALL about dune but this was a phenomenal breakdown and now i'm going to watch the movies, and then get the books. I know you advised we read the books first but i'm already on the video and amazon isn't always fast. Glad I was rebellious and seeking instant gratification for once lol great work.
I like the Fight Scene.. But the BEST? Realy? I was happy to see in that you wrote it´s hyperbole. I think for all you explained it is a immersive Fight scene that is believable at the moment of Watching and that is great for todays standart.
I am a lifelong fan of dune that has also studied extensively in Hema and more specifically historic knife combatives the forms used in the new adaptation are reminiscent of arnis kali but they also seem do draw heavy from something that looks like Fiore de'i Liberi (italian medieval dagger dueling system) with the catches and use of grips reverse grips are often used improperly for flashy movie knife scenes instead of the far more versatile reach overhand gives. Something I've garnered from much contact sparring with knife is that things boil down to reach and can quickly devolve to a grappling setup opportunistic slashes Will open the door but structured thrusts and stabs carry more disproportionate lethality a competent knife fighter from stationary can draw upon a ten foot thrust reach you are playing with range vying over it Jamis at the beginning of the duel practically offers up the most vulnerable targets on his body to Paul as if he's mocking his chivalry his sense of gentlemanly conduct in an otherwise savage exchange predicting he won't advance while also coaxing him into the range of his own blade where he might hook upward into the arm or a passing step cut. The breathing and intensity are on point as knife based combatives is truly a full body expenditure your mind and eyes are tracking you have to remain calculative as the body naturally dumps its adrenalin its not uncommon for knife fighters to use deliberate controlled breathing or exhales that sound audibly like a hiss as they deliver its also commonplace to open with opportunistic cuts to the eyeline the structures if the wrist and fingers in attempt to disable otherwise shift the balance of the fight there are no guarantees and even very good fencers will be forced to take a cut or superficial blow that may not prove fatal the longer the fight goes on the greater the window becomes there are absolutely fencing arts tied to daggers/knives that seem to offer greater percentages of survival and disengage from an opponent in a dueling context two party knife on knife not outside the realm of possible more often the knife is launched from a place of subterfuge within 21ft very fast very ugly studying the way they move the biomechanics of common strikes can yield helpful advantages for instance the way a human arm works a horror movie stab that typical downward driving strike is usually intercepted stepping in catching the arm high outside the muscular arc of motion but would be very hard to stop beyond this point in full momentum of the stab.
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I'm thrilled that several have mentioned fight scenes from "The Princess Bride"
That was a wonderful analysis. I've read that book at least 5 times over the years. As a martial artist, that scene is the only fight in the 1st movie that resonated with me. Your take on the phycology of Jamus I think is spot on and something I will think about for some time.
Love this video! Can’t wait for more to come, Dune is a goldmine of themes to analyse
I have the opposite problem of most UA-camrs where I have too many video ideas that I want to make on Dune. More are coming though, I promise!
Thank you. Your passion made me appreciate a film I had no intention of seeing.
The knife fight in the raid 2 is the best ever, nothing comes close, the choreography for that fight is insane
The fight scenes in these movies are incredible. So kenetic and brutal yet elegant. Jamis really should have picked up on Paul's skill level when he so easily got passed him earlier though. I would have liked to see the mentor Jamis version.
Great narrative, really enjoyed the video, thank you
This breakdown is flawless! Bravo!
more on dune plz, totally agree with your pov. No spoilers only 8 chapters in book. IMO this is the greatest trilogy ever (pending a decent-good 3rd movie). I usually have unpopular opinions but I'm seeing a ton advocating for the movies as top sci fi films of all time, and it's so relieving to know I'm not the only one. 😂 The sound effects, visuals, soundtrack, and most importantly, acting are unmatched. Yes, they had the advantage of being released in 2024 and not the 80s or early 00 but it's still near factual that the cinematography is unrivaled.
I’m willing to die on the hill that Dune is probably as good as it gets when it comes to sci-fi films. Unpopular opinion though: Dune Part 1 > Dune Part 2. Thank you for commenting and keep on reading that book!
Enjoy the books!! They add so much to the films.
Part 2 has some book allusions but it's really part 1 that benefits from knowing the book as the film alludes to so much and becomes richer in detail upon knowing the deeper story. For example the wider meaning of the Gom Jabar and philosophy of the Bene Gesserit.
Yet the storry is very chopped off and somewhst altered. The other versions were less flashy but more accurate.
This was a good breakdown/analysis
Thank you!
Nice breakdown. Should have mentioned that hand hold at the end as well.
Love this scene. After watching st discovery it was so jarring seeing Olusanmokun portray someone so hardened. A superb actor to be sure.
I got goosebumps when you said your last line. Great video!
Wow, thank you!
the best fight scenes are the old jackie chan ones like drunken master ect
Yes, I do most heartily wish that this scene would have included Paul shedding tears over Jamis' death. It shows Paul's nobility and respect for human life from his core. Paul's tears astounded the group of Fremen, 'He gives water to the dead . . .' an amazement.
Well done. The last flip of the knife from a thrust to a back handed jab was so slick…
It was
Paul turned his knife before Jamis attacks. He knew his next blow would be lethal
I would like to congratulate on a very well thought out and delivered narrative for your video. In this day of AI narrative constructs and voice overs, it was refreshing to hear what someone who put actual thought into how they wanted to communicate what they wanted to say. Even if you used AI to polish your script a bit, it still came across very nicely. I look forward to seeing more of your work. IF I might offer one piece of constructive criticism, it would be that in places, your delivery seemed very much like you were reading to me, instead of talking to me, as if you had temporarily lost the nuance of verbal language and fallen back to reading what someone else wrote for you to say. But those moments were both few and far between, and you've definitely earned a fan (and a subscriber) with this work.
That’s quite possibly the nicest comment I’ve received so far. Firstly, thank you very much. Secondly, I started this channel partly out of a distaste from AI. I believe AI is eroding unique thought and perspective. I don’t use AI in any part of the video making process because then it wouldn’t be my work, it would be ChatGPTs work. Thank you for such a kind and thoughtful comment, more content coming very soon!
One of my all-time favorite movies, I think I like this remake the best
Thanks. Your commentary made the scene even better.
Thank you very much!
Agree, great additional context.
Very insightful breakdown, I agree 100% that this is one of if not the best fight scenes to date. Imo
Achilles Vs Hector is the greatest fight scene in movie history.
It's up there for sure
Kil Zone with Donnie Yen is my favourite knife fight.
Yep I agree
I highly recommend reading all of the Dune series including Bryan Herbert/Kevin Anderson continuation books. There is so much to unpack and understand in the two movies that you just can’t understand without the rest of the series.
I always wondered why I cried after this fight scene the first time I saw Dune. Now I know, thank you. 🙏
I just like how desperate they portray this fight to the death. It seems very intense and realistic to me
In the book Lady Jessica sees a spark of satisfaction in Paul's eyes at the adoration he receives for his duel. A spark that could transform him into a murderous monster like his grandfather. She pre-empts this transformation by delivering a savage and calculated accusation: "How does it feel to be a murderer?" I wish that one made it into the movie, but it would be hard to contextualize without internal monologue.
I think in the book the word is killer.
In the book, which I have not read since around about 1979 it is explicitly said * that he realises DURING the fight that he is losing mana/standing with the watching Fremen because he is not willing to kill Jamis but he repeatedly shows he could kill him.
*I believe he says it to himself, and becomes aware they are feeling that from his ability to read humans
VERY well done. Kudos to you!
This scene was very evocative for me, it was such an important fight for Paul and a right of passage for him on his journey.
I pause the video. If you saw the movie. If you didn’t read this book. You can’t undo this. This is the one book where the book is better than the movie. From a 50 year old fan that’s not a hipster or douchbag. Honestly.
I wish Dune 2 had been half as good as the first film.
It was twice as good
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Thank you very much!
One change to the fight that i have a slight gripe with, is the reason the fight is dragged out. In the movie, Paul is simply trying not to have to kill Jamis. He stops his attacks short, and tries to convince Jamis to yield. In the books, Jessica explains that it looks like Paul is embarassing Jamis, not out of a desire to spare him, but because he has been trained his whole life to slow his blade at the last moment in order to push through a body shield. As soon as Paul himself realizes what he is doing, he kills Jamis at the next opportunity.
Then we get to where most people have a complaint, that the movie doesn't show Paul crying for Jamis after killing him. I think this was removed because of the decision to to include Paul's attempts to spare Jamis. By clearly having Paul ask Jamis to yield, it already establishes his regret at having to kill Jamis, both to the audience and to the Fremen. For casual fans just watching a movie, this is probably a "better" way to show the fight and establish how the Fremen begin to view Paul.
I am pretty sure that when in Paul's dreams he see Jamis talk to him, that Paul is actually seeing through Chani's eyes. He's seeing an interaction between Jamis and Chani.
Pretty Good. But one Better is in "Atomic Blonde". About halfway into the movie Charlize Theron takes on about 8 or 10 Russian agents in a no holds fight that lasts about 10 minutes without a single cut screen during the fight. It is actually full contact fighting because the camera never leaves the fight or changes angles. There is no other fight scene like it. It's a great movie, that will surprise you throughout. It's set in Berlin just days before the Berlin Wall comes down and deals with German, American, and Russian spies. Great twist at the end you never see coming. Great movie, and I think has the best movie fight scene of them all.
Jamis reminded me so much of the real Adelaide from Us, his feral stare and animalistic noises.
I’ve actually never seen Us! But I know Jordan Peele is a fantastic writer/director, I’ll add it to the list!
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It's fantastic
The novel Dune is so freakin' amazing that everyone should feel compelled to recommend it to anyone else at any time they have a spare second or two.
It's a literary triumph of such a degree that all the beauty of the bible, the koran and the vedas all pale in comparison to the literary divinity published by Herbert.
Great breakdown! Keep up the good work.
Thank you! More coming soon!
While i've no doubt this is a memorable and worthy effort, there is just no room for dispute, the best fight scene in the history of cinema is the sword fight in the Princess Bride.
This was a very good analysis.
The hand-to-hand in these movies is second to none.
4:08 I liked the book version of the fight way more then either of the movie adaptations. This fight established in the books that Paul is a supreme fighter, trained by some of the galaxies best killers for higher. He absolutely dominates this fight all the while attempting to show mercy and off the call the fight off, leading him to learn important lessons about Fremen culture and customs.
Dune is one of my favorite stories from the mini series and the newer adaptations. Saying that, I couldn't say it's the best fight scene ever......
I really like last the last fight scene from "The Man From Nowhere". Amazing knife fight..... Brutal
IMO there are plenty of fight scenes with far superior dramaturgy to them - Ridley Scott's The Duelists, Jerzy Hoffman's the Deluge, are just some of the titles to be named here...
My pick for the best fight scene ever is Jason Bourne vs. Desh in The Bourne Ultimatum. Best realism I've seen in a movie fight.
Excellent breakdown! Another top tier fight is the final duel between ObiWan and Maul
Great video. I'd have liked to see the fight uncut at the end for a wrap up. Not sure how copyright works, but I'd think that'd be fine?
The testosterone Bolshoi has never been my cup of tea.
The most criminally underrated cinematic violence for me is when a small-time thug leans in through a car window to intimidate Bob Hoskins in _Mona Lisa_ and instantly, like a pitbull on speed, Hoskins gains an armlock on the guy's head and grinds and bangs and bangs and grinds the thug's head around the entire frame of the open car window, like a superball struck by a tennis racquet in an enclosed squash court, while barely breaking his facade of nonchalance about the monstrous rout, like he's got another one in another pocket, if you gave him 10 more seconds to fish around.
I can't even find this scene on UA-cam. Criminally underrated, in the first degree.
Aw, you left out the dialogue about Paul not having killed anyone before. I have not reached this part in the book yet, but I feel like that was also very significant. That he felt remorse and even cried, wasting his own water on the death of an apparent enemy, displayed in my mind to the Fremen his empathy for all life, including theirs. I also thought that the idea of killing someone else as a self-inflicted death as well was also significant. Paul also died in that moment on that most "human" level (see: Gom Jabbar scene when he proves his humanity). Jamis taught Paul what he needed to know within his dreams leading up to this meeting, but his final lesson and more importantly, his gift as his mentor, was his own life and by extension Paul's death...so that he may arise to fulfill his promise.
Personally, I think both Dune films are the best bit of cinema I've seen in at least a decade. This is an incredibly powerful scene on so many levels, and I cannot wait to see Part 3 when it comes out.
Old boy hallway scene will never be topped.
Also the "do you yield" isn't for tradition but bc Paul doesn't want to kill anyone, hasn't done it before
I read the books but didn't watch the series. Can't say they managed to impart how difficult it was for him to get over his trained reflexes to slow his attacks so they would get past a shield.
Good, yes. Best, absolutely not. Loving every bit of it, brings something not so new but just refreshing. Sounds and atmosphere truly elevates everything. This scene deserves to be acknowledged and sets the standards for a proper cinematic fights.
Oh dear. Love your passion for Dune. Paul v Jamis is one of the great fights in literature but in film, there are so many others which stand above this B/B+ adaptation of a great scene. FWIW, I like the actor who plays Jamis here, however for fights on Film, we need to broaden your base. Off the top of my head and in no particular order:
The Duellists - any of the duels
Eastern Promises - the sauna knife fight
Polish film 'Potop" or The Deluge in English. Best Saber duel ever filmed.
In the book, the mentoring and friendship of vision Jamis is much more explicit and developed. In the movie we do get one or 2 visions of Jamis, so it is technically "in there", but it doesn't really develop the depth of that relationship. I understand the decision to condense this down from a "this movie can't be FOUR hours long" point of view. But you do lose some of the very cool depth and significance. If I had my perfect way, the Dune book would have been split into 3 movies with the first one ending immediately after the Harkonen attack to give more time for palace intrigue and for the Janis and Chani vision relationships.
I think Jamis showing up so little made his appearances even more powerful and potent. Definitely one of my favorite characters in the Dune universe though.
yeah, Dune should have been a 10-12 episode TV show, not 2*3 hours of a movie.
7:01 Treebeard Desert Moment
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Good analysis of the inner termoil being experienced by both warriors
Paul's fighting is "schoolyard", meaning you don't try to kill the kid who laughed at your haircut. "Paul has never killed a man..." This something the fighting masters would have worked up to eventually, but right now he's not been trained to kill, he's just been trained to be a killer. The distinction is subtle but important. (I was effectively raised by a one-legged Marine GySgt. He knew I was going to join the USN and schooled me in need-to-know.
Good video very insightful just wanted to add the moment Paul knew he was going to kill Jamis is when Paul changes the orientation of the knife in his hand from tip up to tip down
Paul knows the weirding way. That’s all you need to know.
I really liked the part where Chani is like : don't worry, Jamis won't let you suffer and you will die a swift death. Young lady, if he's the Mahdi like everyone says, a Fremen warrior should be at least a fair fight? The fact she underestimated him so much is never brought up and it irks me a little. The guy just killed one of your best warriors and all you can say is "This is only the beginning"?
Nice video & voice over
Well done!
Alright. I paused the video and read both books in preparation to watch this... it better be good.
You did the right thing. The movie can only highlight the story.
When Paul started losing the fight. I genuinely leaned forward in my seat and my anxiety shot up like crazy, AND BAM…. 😮