things kpop trainees dislike about big 4 companies
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2023
- i know most trainees prefer to debut in big 4 companies but it's important to know that they have their own downsides too! i hope you find this short helpful.
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If that's true, I think JYP's reason is logical. Hybe is fine too.
Yes 👍🏻👍🏻
Not that much… cause even ig there is talent they Still very Young kids like 16-17 mostly… or even if they are 19 Still very unexperienced!
Talent is just a thing if you not keep and practice then it will be “dirty”
(It’s Vica-reverse cause even if you are very hard working Still if you has no talent… 😬🧐)
Also kpop never meant about the talent… 😅😂 even the most talented singer in the kpop is just very “fine” in the worldwide… mostly if we compring with the legends like michael Jackson and freddie mercury……… or just Bruno Mars…
@@gipsymelody1268 but that’s the thing why box K-pop into these puppets tht can’t create their own art from the starting n only focus on looks n concepts rather than actual musical talent?? BTS became international artists and have been active for 10 years now because they broke tht mould.If we want K-pop artists to succeed in the long run n not fade out K-pop should focus on musical talent. As for support HYBE is the only one tht has a mental health support team for trainees and artists. While companies like YG and SM have long been known for mistreatment of trainees as well not paying attention to artists tht don’t get high profits
how's it logical exactly???
@liaselle3385 I think it’s logical because they do spend a lot of money on trainees as well. I don’t think they immediately dismiss trainees that don’t do well. Don’t they do multiple evaluations in a year to see the progress of trainees? I guess if a trainee is not improving after multiple evals then that’s when they drop them? Correct me if I’m wrong though 😅
Basically the traits the companies look for:
YG - patient
SM - compliant
Hybe - self-reliant
JYP - fast-learner
Thats true
Jyp - dedication to improve, not just being a fast learner. Theyre looking for the trainees' attitude on how much they really want to be an idol.
They say lack of teachers like it is a bad thing but that means you get less debt and more autonomy to learn what you want and more ownership of your process
@@csy897 SM artists get paid as soon as the money comes in, without having to pay back lessons and management fees
@@tzuyukiwichou2892 also adaptability - if you learn fast you can change and repute fast too
JYP’s thing is pretty logical in my opinion. Would you keep your trainee under your company for years on end just to let them down after them training for 4+ years? If they don’t see enough potential or improvement it’s better for the company to not invest and better for the trainees mental health to not have false hope. For me personally, I’d rather get cut off by JYP one year into training with them rather than having them wait to watch my skills improve or to see my potential just to cut me off after giving me false hope.
I’m pretty sure BangChang from Straykids was training for like 8 years before jyp decided to debut him
Actually the second option is Better bc then you’d be talented enough to get accepted into any other agency
@@Shaz2012and jihyo for 10
@@H_In_Your_Areaa_Ayoo yeh
Because they were talented enough but didnt fit the concept of Got7@@Shaz2012
People : the big four are horrible companies they are kicking out trainees who don't progress like that's sooo horrible !
CUBE entertainement : oOuuPsss 💀
Lmao not that horrible company xD
@@quanganhnguyenuc6282Cube is bad at managing their groups. They literally have just one active group now because they messed up all the other groups.
Not big 4 though it's hybe and big3
People consider hybe as one of the "big 3" now since they created groups like newjeans and bts and many more popular ones, I just stated the most popular groups.
@@Weshallstealbananamilk
@Weshallstealbananamilk well hybe is kinda bigger than all three so everyone just calls it big4 to make it easier
Jyp makes a lot of sense considering they see their trainees as investments and offers free stuff like therapists and balanced meals
Except when they ban you and revoke your food so you starve and lose weight.
Moreover, trainees wouldn’t spend MUCH MORE time like yg and might try something else like acting or just focus on education at school.
@@gimlisonofgloin4083agreed. At least JYP trainees knows early on if they’re gonna make it or not. Unfortunately they might let go of some hidden gems but as long as these trainees are persistent they will make it inevitably. Chaeyeon/Mashiro for instance.
It makes sense for them.
Right & I hope the therapist things is true! I'd just be careful about glorifying JYP too much tho, since we don't know what be behind the scenes. Also according to Bang Chan it can still be rigorous because it makes an impact of many teens self worth & self esteem, especially since there are a lot of sacrifices. And you can get depressed from the friends u lose. A tough proc ss but I know things usually gets better and one of the lesser evils compared to how SM treated Exo🤢 I'm glad JYP has been prioritizing a lot of their artist health and safety a lot more lately tho✨
JYPe kicking out people easily is probably because they don't have trainee debt, they can't afford into spending money on someone who's not making the expected progress, they want someone who learns fast or that has a bit of training already, cheaper on the agency, cheaper for the idol as well. If it's like that it's really logic and convenient for both sides
Didn’t think about that but true
True that
agreed. but as for the trainee debt, I suppose even yg, sm and hybe doesn't have trainee debt system, isn't that right?
@@llae27 Not sure now. But back then during 2pm era, they have debt system. That Jaypark case also. Sm is the only one known company that's absolutely didn't implement debt system. Yg and hybe unknown.
I think its a good way of saving their (the trainee’s) time too
Ive seen trainees of 7 years not being able to debut at the end, and their time wasted
Meanwhile
Eunhyuk: SM didn't let me to do surgery because if I changed one features, i need to change the others too LMFAO
Huh?
The commenter is saying that SM told Eunhyuk not to do surgery, because he would have to get multiple since changing one part on his face would throw off the rest
😂😂😂
If you watch I-Land, you know how Bang Sihyuk asked Rain and Zico to not only look at the skills that the trainees have but to look more at the potential they have. So, it's not true that you have to be very talented in the first place to be their trainee. They see potential in you, whether you are able to develop further or not.
Moa and Engene might know how Yeonjun and Heeseung said that when they entered Bighit, their dance skills were below the other trainees, yet a few years later they became the most multitalented trainees and dance prodigy. I would say that Hybe is more of a perfectionist in evaluation. When we think their performance is already good but their trainer feels they can do more than that, then they will be criticized. That way trainees know they can keep pushing and expand the potential they have, which ends up creating a lot of all-rounders.
Wow, I must say this is well-said
With HYBE, actually I don't believe that they have less training with the trainees. Sakura said that only with HYBE, she had proper training most especially with her voice. Kazuha also trained most especially in dancing because she practiced almost all of her life in ballet. She needs to train modern dance that is why HYBE sent a dancer trainer to her. Another thing, they have a hard evaluation. So I believe that they do have trainers in those categories.
They do have training there. But maybe less so they have the freedom to develop their own style.
Yess agreed
i think thats for trainee who hasn't been fixed into any group yet. maybe to let them find their own style and colors before grouping them all together to give them the proper training that would actually match and work for them later. i think its way better than shaping them all into the same colors which would be a shame. like maybe they also want more determined trainees because that would be a waste spending the resources on kids that doesnt really know what theyre getting into and just do it for the sake of it, not because thats genuinely what they dreamed and wanted for
@@squid__4951 yeah its true. they only get proper training after thet got into the lineup to sharpened their talent more n to develop teamwork
@@squid__4951 exactly!! hybe is the best when it comes to the welfare of its artists...maybe had decline a bit in recent yrs but when bang PD was the ceo, bighit was legit the bestest of best out there!!!
Sm's lead to perfection has ruined so many idols. I am not saying that plastic surgery is bad but if it is against the wish of the person and pressuring then that's bad. But what can we do, thus industry is heavily dependent on visual > talent. I wish that kpop Stans didn't pressurise the idols as well upon their beauty, y'all are the reason of the cause.
I don't think it's true, I mean the creator doesn't have any proof/evidence of this.
I mean, it's SM. They are known everywhere for their obsession with appearance. If I had a euro for every SM idol who said they debuted because a random staff approached them on the street and offered them a place to debut, I would have enough money to buy Twitter from Elon Musk.
@@nikolashakos_ but doesn't every company do it? I mean there are idols in other companies who are also cast like that. It's an industry that loves visuals, it's not Sm that is only doing it, And how can you say that sm ruined many idols. Where are the evidences/ proof? Sm ruined some idols, who? After all it's a statement. I'm genuinely curious about it.
@@oo-il6ks Yes, but SM takes it to a whole different level. Most groups have 1 or 2 members who became trainees and idols because of their visuals, and then there is NCT under SM Entertainment, in which 70% of their members got accepted to their company thanks to their appearance, and we are talking about a 23 member group. These are too many visual members. It's just embarrassing.
Also, when did I say "they ruined many idols"? Did you see the word "ruin" anywhere in my comment?
@@nikolashakos_ they are still talented as fuck tho nct is not only a group of visuals but also a group of really fucking good singers and rappers so they didnt get accepted only because of their visuals.....
You know you're attracting the hybe company stans with this 😭😭
YG is very picky about debuting the trainee. Promising doesn't mean you debut if you are not improving. They pick the most talented one that deserved to be debuted. You know that YG paid the most salary to their idol so debuting the talented one is the key for the group to be successful and worth paid.
Agreed 💯
Hybe one is pretty cool I think-they just want to have talented trainees, not crap or something. In this way they can check, who has potential and true skills.
That's not the right way actually. The reason why you have training is to instill them with a solid foundation of their technique. The biggest problem in kpop always has been their idols actually lack foundation in dancing, singing and rapping.
It's like you went to school but the teachers refused to teach you, and expect you to learn all by yourself. Dance class etc aren't cheap at all if they want to afford it on their own.
@@notmyname3556 Im really happy that someone decided to write their opinion. It's kinda true what you saying, but I personally didn't see any kpop idol from Hybe, who is total crap and lack in stage presence or dance or something else. I'm aware that trainees go there to GET training and lessons not to make them on their own,but in this way they learn how to be creative.
@not my name is it true? Or just rumour? they even appointed one sub-company for debuting one girl group. I'm not sure if there is no teacher.
@@notmyname3556 actually Hybe didn't give so much help until they have the grup formed. After it start the true trainees lessons
I know it from a ex hybe probationer
@@claudiamerticariu2025 wow, that's very odd. Like how do you know if they have undiscovered talent, like many idols out there especially those from sm became trainees from zero skill in certain area, but received proper training, and found out they're really good at something.
A whole wasted talent really, if they reject trainees like that. Wonder how the requirements like
Being a trainee in JYPe is a pathway to be successful as a lot of successful artists and idols were once a trainee under JYPe or even debuted in JYP such as Hyuna, Jay Park & Somi
Chaeyeong, daehwi, mashiro, shownu, etc.
Hyolyn of Sistar and IU were also trainees of JYP.
@@teachermotovlog701 they failed the audition
Basically, JYP is sucks handling them. That's all. They left and debuted in other agencies and success by their own effort.
@@teachermotovlog701hyolyn is not a trainee lol😆she got rejected by jyp in an audition cuzz jyp think she's ugly
I don’t think YG promises quick debut anymore, people knows it’ll take a long time to debut there 😅
or maybe they're seeing if you're patient
If I had to debut, i would chose yg as the groups get their salaries right after debut💀
And the only company when the trainee doesn't have any debt!
You forgot one thing : you don't have to talented just be pretty and have rich parents and you get in
Yeah that's kinda sad :(
Last time I saw a short on UA-cam and ig it was a kind of survival show (im not sure at all) and there was two girls who perfom Nonstop by Oh My Girl. They was really pretty but they didn't sing well at all 😕
@@soyeonsoulmate Yes ! This scene is so sad ☹️ and there were 2 girls with a more rock style but people didn't vote because of beauty standards....
A judge (member of G-idle) has also criticized this in the series.
I mean, many idols come from rich parents and i am okay with that because these idols are talented (Lia, giselle, Lisa, rose, Minnie, sorn,chanbing,etc.) However if there is favoritsim between looks or richness then that's a problem (which mostly happens, like in xiaoting's case).
@@sapphia4612 there definitely is😭
Yup, but that's in all of the agencies I think 🤔
Jyp's reason is logical tho, why waste years of training if that thing was not meant for you!
I completely agree with you.
SM probably will not do that again, But people often forgot that only SM have idols like shindong n amber. Not even smaller company do that, even back then, or even if they do they made it a hard publicity then end up doing badly. Idk, I just think it will be the same in every company when it comes to plastic surgery
And that was like 15 years ago 💀 now 5 out of 10 idols look the same you can clearly see the look they are going for, Wendy changed face like 3 times in her career and not like chaewon when she went from izone being young to lesserefim but I mean actually looking different from before,
@@Dahnamoji7 but I think Wendy's face changed mostly after that falling accident that she had to do surgery for
@@Dahnamoji7Plenty of idols from other companies completely change their face, let’s be real. Chaeyeon, Jessi, Chungha, Yuna, Chaeryeong, Bom, Lisa, Momo, Sakura, Yeonjun, Heeseung, Joshua, Bangchan, Felix, Hyunjin, Changbin, etc. In fact, it’s worse with smaller companies bc they don’t have as good plastic surgeons or the money to afford better, more natural facial changes. Only Aespa in SM have noticeably different features and Wendy of RV. SHINee, the rest of RV, Ningning, NCT, EXO, all have had fairly subtle plastic surgery, which is what SM’s originally known for.
@@IBringDramamamamia I know that is why I said 3 times, while we can’t hold her for the 3 time as we don’t know how much she sufferd before that she also changed
@@katr_i_na momo looks exactly the same as her photos and vidoes of when she was young and dancing? Also Yuna has school pictures of her looking the exact same
Did they do small changes maybe I can’t tell but I would say YG and jyp do it like sm
Sm genuinely has type they like
Look at aespa
YG took the Indian quote seriously😂which is the result of patience is successful 😂
I feel like that's what makes Hybe idols unique. They have their own style
Yes really authentic too...discipline, BangPD trained them with good behaviour/ manners...
Bighit or pledis rest are not even near 😂😂
bang pd has been quoted saying that what he looks for in trainees is 3 main categories: teamwork, assertiveness, and future potential.
He only manages bighit and focus more priorities there
@randomluv he was the ceo of hybe, and a current chairman in the board, I think bang pd had a big influence on what the corporation's culture and subsequent companies should focus on, the video generalized trainees experience when there's many companies under hybe. So at least where bang pd is involved under hybe, he looks for potential, trainees also have a lot of lessons avaliable to them before they debute which I think would mean they care about building up their trainees
you forgot looks and being skinny 😂
@@vbsliker3000BTS was called ugly back in the day you feel me. If they were choosing looks over skills, then young emo BTS wouldn’t debut
@@CaroCaro7517 Yeah, but that was 10 years ago. Things have changed a lot. Even back then people still saw groups like 2NE1, BTS and Mamamoo as anomalies who "beat the odds despite not fitting beauty standards due to exceptional talent" rather than the standard for how all groups should be. It's even more difficult to enter the industry now if you are super talented but don't fit the beauty standards, because there is a higher focus on visuals and everyone lipsyncs 😂
But yg do cover all of the trainees expenses tho😂, they doesn’t even have any debt when they leave n just need to move on and find a better place that can accept them for who they are
That's true. YG trainees are treated best in terms of financial assistance and they debut with no debts.
Because that's what YG's strategy is to see if they actually wanna debut than they will work harder than others!!
i wish video creators provides proofs to their accusations
Exactly
they cant, they have to kiss some fandoms as$😂
There is no such this as "proof/Sources" on these K-pop short channels. All misinformation that uneducated folks will eat up.
Nah, look at this comment section lol, new kpop fans full of praising hybe company when it doesn't really that difference from another company lol.
@@Dina-zb2cv you better know hybe is aleast better than other companies ,,,, don't think people who are praising hybe are only new kpop fans
You can say whatever you want about the big 4 but something they do offer their trainees is immediate and I mean IMMEDIATE popularity and success. It is almost impossible for groups that com from the big 4 to fail . The difference about debuting in a smaller label/company with a the big 4 is that you get fame and exposure even before debuting. The members from Baby monster ,a group from YG that hasn’t even debuted yet, have already a lot of fan accounts and the group is already being overhyped because it comes from YG. Groups like NMIXX, Le Sserafim, ITZY and others had a massive debut success while other groups from smaller companies celebrate getting their debut song to a million views. If you debut with the big 4 you have guaranteed success while if you debut with a smaller company you will be lucky that your label is not thinking about disbandment after the first year.
*you can ignore this reply*
true but over the terrible standards, I don’t think it’s fair if your gonna stay there unhappy and pressured. I mean it’s not even that easy to debut with those companies in the first place. also this is slightly unrelated but the more popular the more haters and pressure you get. also you can get spotted by fans most of the time and can barely have some peace….
And look at new jeans,unlike other gps nwjns had no introduction whatsoever and dropped straight to their debut,look at their popularity now- I'm not just saying they got popular only bc of the company
But NMIXX didn’t have their first win yet, did they?
@@my.meIody the thing is that you think smaller groups aren’t pressured. They are the ones that are pressured the most by their companies in order to make money out of them. They are constantly thinking about disbandment and have to drop WAY MORE MUSIC and have WAY MORE COMEBACKS than big groups. Just look at P1Harmony … a group that comes from a smaller company and debuted like 2 years ago. They debuted 2 years ago yet I am pretty sure they have more songs than blackpink does and last year they had like 3 comebacks with like two tours in between comebacks. I am not saying it is easy for idols that debut on big companies … I am saying they get immediate recognition and fame without even needing to drop a song while smaller groups can consistently drop bangers and never get that recognition they deserve because their company can’t offer them that level of exposure.
Objectively NMIXX doesn’t have anywhere near the popularity or a fan base compared to any of the other groups from those agencies
Kang Seung Yoon of Winner said YG don't promise someone to debut soon but to become a trainee first of their company. Koreans know about YGE but still choose YGE as their top company to get trained with.
Yg doesn’t promise their trainees anything
They are just very strict in choosing who debuts and some trainees can’t keep up with the thoroughness
Exactly
tell that to Moon Sua and other girls from Future 2ne1, they were promised that they'll debut and YG kept postponing it and eventually cancelled their debut so they all left
Sua literally wasted 10 years in YG not to debut and then debuted just a year after she joined a different company 💀
Honestly it's both though. YG will debut who they wanna debut, whether they keep a trainee for ages because they have a vision/plan for them, or they keep them ages and then can't debut them because YG is being fussy and the trainee leaves. Personally I can't understand the "future 2ne1" thing because from what I seen, those girls were super talented
@@arbuz510 were you there when they were promised debut? Anyone can be removed at any time as long as they haven’t been confirmed as final line up for a group, they are just trainees, many idols under many other companies hv left to debut in another company
It’s how things work and how it’s done
Get ur confused self out of here and stop misusing emojis
Adding ‘💀’ to every sentence u mk is so unnecessary and cringe
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I understand the fact that hybe wants to have the best of the best but through training also a person can become the best (if there is dedicated training that is) a singer or dancer can improve themselves so much.
Yeah sounds like theyre being cheap not hiring coaches and teachers.
But the thing is that when u are self trained u will get more perfection and if u have any mistake on stage u can cover it by yourself coz u know how to do it
@@adrijamondal3736 you mean professionalism? How about to those doesn't have experienced yet and they want to be an idol how will she/he improve? Sometimes they need a teacher to add more that make them special 'cause not all have an ideal talent for being kpop idol😁
@@adrijamondal3736 but you have a point in that way, but sometimes they still need a teacher unless some members are gifted to teach him/her especially some members are too young to empower him/her up.🤔😁
@@idol7833 that's when u either become independent or it's a chance to get well along with your members maybe some of the older teens in the members can help them which may lead to a family type thing and they will be close and will also show teamwork....
U may have different opinions but also jisoo is self trained vocalist in yg ent
Lol HYBE is the only one that’s not a bad thing. They want talented people to debut. That’s why even new groups like new jeans, txt take active part in creating music since debut. They only hire vetted experts as trainers not just the same ones tht the industry has been using. Plus they have a mental health team for artists and trainees. I wish YG n SM would learn a thing and take better care of their artists rather than just focusing on whoever earns them more money
yeah, it is really great to not train and not give minimal help to a fragile person, a minor mostly, who is developing his/her mind and starting growing up, not educating them. it doesn’t influence their way of thinking at all, the fact that they don’t give a ruck and just want them to be a money machine
@@xnicla They provide guidance to develop your own style. If you don't have the drive to learn and explore what you want to develop on your own you might not be suited to the industry just yet. They say less not non existent.
I also heard that SM has BOA as a trainee consultant for the really young trainees?
Jype also provides their trainee in multiple skills besides the basics: dancing, rapping, singing etc. You can develop yourself in leadership in jype etc etc idk more about sm tho
@@xnicla if you are fragile, you shouldn't be there or in any trainee program in the first place. I don't go to a dangerous place for me like a training then drag the employer and say it was his fault. An employer should care, but only to an extent, the rest is up to you and your family. Go to a therapist instead!
For Hybe to want them to actually be artistic which implies you not only copy but actually create, that is a good thing. You act like they don't give training at all, which is obviously not the case.
Yeah what I was thinking. Kpop focuses a lot on visuals rather than talent. Most companies look for visuals, because they think the 'talent' can be trained. So I'm actually glad Hybe works this way, because they focus more on talent and creating good music. From the very beginning, Bighit's artists have been given a lot of creative freedom in music and expressing themselves (the things that music should actually be about). It's good to see groups like New Jeans and TXT also taking part in creating music.
And the people that are chosen to get debuted actually do get a very hard training. To me it just feels less fabricated this way and like you're a robot trained to be like everyone else. Those idols are just trained to be money makers for their company.
Hybe's system actually developing artist's talent.
People always make SM as villain in Kpop Industry
I feel hybe does the correct if they make a mistake they'll improve by themselves like if a mentor shouts some people don't get it properly so learning it by themselves is the best thing
@@sapphia4612 they do have mentors but little less there is a difference in less and nothing
Mentors shouldn’t be shouting at people, they should explain where they went wrong and what to do to improve.
How can someone improve if they don’t have a more experienced person guiding them?
If learning by oneself was the best thing then university wouldn’t exist. Not to mention literally any other educational institution - things like martial arts classes, language classes, technical education.
Trainees are trainees because they’re supposed to have someone training them.
Learning by yourself can only get you so far, and when it comes to singing, without proper instruction, trainees/idols risk damaging their vocal chords irreparably.
@@LaurenPebbleThey said less not non-existent. With the current generation filled with lots of kpop groups, they'd probably want trainees with lots of potential, not spoonfed ones. It's not like that industry is for everyone.
with this logic we wouldn't need schools, just learn by yourself 🥰🤗
You made it like SM the worst among the others about this. SM never forced their trainees to do plastic surgery. Haechan said that he wasn’t allowed to get plastic surgery and denied having it. A member of Super Junior also denied plastic surgery rumors except heechul for his nose bcs an accident and kyuhyun for his double eyelids. Eunhyuk said SM forbade him tho. SM never forced seulgi to get ps bcs her monolid eyes.
JYP's reason is logical. Why spend so much money on one trainee who isn't progressing fast enough? They's be practically losing money. So yes, it is sad to see how quickly they're let go, but they are one of the biggest entertainment producers and they can't afford to have anything slowing them down.
YG is a proof since they got SO MANY PROJECTSSSSS OVER PROJECTSSSSS
I'm a choose YG and get a good training and if they don't debut that I'll just go and join so medium scale companies
Ah yes the only logical reasonable people in here lol. Lot of ex trainee from YG already debut in medium company but of course their group also quite famous.
u dont need to apply for medium scale companies coz they are the one who will come for you if ur an ex-yg trainee. 🤣🤣🤣
Don't know but I liked HYbe one though 😂
Well YG just want their trainees to be more patience and have more confident and boost trainees talents but all of their tiredness is worth it because idols in YG incomes are bigger than the entertainment
SM really want their visuals to match their talents.
Sm one is tricky because I feel like so many idosl would've left if the pressure was that hard. And SM must be doing something right because most if the groups they have created are still running today
exactly they are just jealous of their visuals
This one is tricky tho bc in some of those groups, either one or two members have left the group or kicked out or been replaced, and others have left SM and went to diff label but still do group activities bc their group is still under SM. Then some groups under them tho haven't explicitly said they disbanded but not active as a group altho flourishing in their solo careers.
No I’ve seen many Korean online say that they get brainwashed into wanting plastic surgery themselves due to not feeling good enough and better opportunities
Remember how Bang PD developed BTS? He doesn't specify what time they go to practice, how long they practice. They are free to live their life and practice whatever, whenever. That's why BTS is very versatile and extremely authentic. BHE & HYBE saw what that does to BTS, they want to allow others under them to experience the same.
Hybe leans towards nurturing artists/musicians/performers and not just mere company-produced kpop idols. I love Hybe for allowing their artists to create their own path, thus fostering creativity and authenticity.
YG accomplishes this too, yes ?
@@no-thanks I only know Blackpink from YG and sadly they are still very much controlled by their company. I base this mostly on the girls' less participation in music and content-creation, and the fact that the girls cannot have free weverse lives.
😂😂😂 txt is traumatized because of their confused trainers and bad environment
Sakura asked producer to give her less lines cause they told her she can't sing with emotion instead of providing a vocal/rap trainer they straight up agreed to give her bare minimum. That's not a good company at all 😂😂
If you’ve seen how YG selects and trains their trainees, you’ll know that they are the hardest agency to enter as a trainee, and don’t forget their monthly evaluations which is probably the harshest evaluations I’ve seen. And let’s not say YG always promises debut to their trainees coz we know they rarely debut new groups unless they ready.
They are aiming for perfection
I feel like an example for the trainees not being promised to debut are the pink punk members as most members except for the blackpink members were either cut from the line up or left the company due to yg not promising their debut
@@aoaoutmothers yeah just look at the ex yg trainees who debuted under different agencies now like Gon and seunghun of CIX, GIDLE’s miyeon, secret number’s jinny, billie’s moon sua, P1harmony’s jongseob, keita and dohwan of ciipher
Just to end up giving them songs like Batter Up 💀 joke of an agency
YG is such a dream company to get in.
Yeah, i saw a video of a korean ex trainees in the industry and they say that they wish they could get in YG
I think for the hybe part is that they want their trainees to be creative in producing and writing songs. Hybe is known for giving credits to those who were involved in the album production. Like with yunjin for her self-producing songs, alot of hybe artists did participating in writing lyrics, and bts have 3 members as main producers in the group. They want their artists to show themselves of what the meaning of true artists means.
Hybe have hard trainings when it comes to dance practice, based on what txt and lesserafim's stories were.
plus they have vocals coaches
And yet they have the least amount of producers with the exception of SM.
i agree hybe seems to want and create artists that love music and enjoy what they are doing they don't need to most talented traniee but the traniee with the most star quality
The fact that none of the comments think of YG training system as comfortably livable proves how difficult it is to train under yg..... that's why I love the artists who make it so much
If i have to choose one to debut in i would definitely choose Hybe
SM never force their trainees to do plastic surgeries. lots of SM well known former trainees already said it. they said that SM did get doctor and gave input about surgery, but the decision is on the trainees' hand. Seulgi even said it too, but she didn't want to do it. So she didn't until now. Eunhyuk also explained that he wanted to have surgery, but SM said that it's better if he didn't do it. So, no, they didn't force it. Also, SM didn't have DEBT system for their trainees like other agencies, so the trainees basically pays 0 during training and after debut; and still get accommodations, and whenever a new group will debut, they have their own Produce 101 among their trainees. it's almost impossible to expect SM to sent personal trainers/teacher for the dozens, maybe thousand trainees they had like hybe did lol. also that other companies have their trainees in DEBT, the company will pay everything, but it's going to be added as the trainees' debt which they had to pay after debut, the artists won't received the full amount of salary before their debt is cleared; some didn't get paid at all until it was cleared. until now, there's no known companies who didn't implement debting system other than SM. YG is unknown, and JYP still have debt system at least until 2pm/miss a era and it's not known whether they still did or not. like 2pm still have debt back then when Jay Park left 2pm. it was known by people then that if he voluntarily left the group, the company would remove his debt,
Also whenever SM trainees wanted to leave or being eliminated, they gave recommendation letters to the other companies, so they didn't leave with nothing and can join other agencies right away, even without any audition (depends on the agency's policy); whether it's idol agency or acting agency. for example: Soyeon (ex t-ara), raina (after school), they got recommendations from SM and able to join new agency, and got into the debut line-up right away. there are a lot of similar cases for example from other agencies too. google it!
I think the sm criticism makes no sense when all big 3 have made their idols get plastic surgery. And if you look at gidle and wjsn and ive (I swear only examples because I see their faces all the time lol), smaller companies make their idols do plastic surgery too. Like it's very obvious that other companies have followed the sm etc formula because looks are all that matter these days. And I really don't think 18 yos are thinking I need lip filler
Ngl ppl will make up any rumour about SM, they like targeting SM among the Big3 for some reason, YG's CEO himself called 2NE1 ugly (which forced park bom to do Ps) and this hypocrites like to point the finger at SM, many SM old idols haven't done surgery like taemin, kai, seulgi, key, jisung, chen,chenle, ningning, joy, yeri, DO, suho, eunhyuk, krystal, sulli, eugene many more, I could list more & more. It's just that SM had/has many idols under them compare to any other Big 3 agency that's why ppl always usually blame SM.
Rightt the plastic surgery thing is an industry standard pressure not an SM thing
Ppl obsessed with making SM as the villain among big4.
@@RubyJane701_ they'd be jobless and miserable if they didn't do that lol
Hybe might give less dance Teachers but it helps trainees actually find out their mistakes by themselves instead of having Teachers yelling at you 24/7 and you still might not understand. It helps you develop your own style of dancing and understand why you’re doing it and the importance better. If I had to choose, def hybe
This. Imo hybe want trainees to grow "organically" then they'd pick those who suit the group concept, not the opposite which is molding the trainees into the group concept iykwim
It's not just the dance teachers. That greedy rat company has terrible, if even any vocal coaches; for example 5/7 enhypen members don't have any vocal support except for heeseung & sunoo and are weak vocalists. With mediocre dancing you can't go that wrong but without proper singing technique you can fuck up your voice to no return
And what about the vocals? Everyone needs vocal training. It's so essential to carry notes unlike dancing.
@@FlyxwhitxmeXx heeseung literally carries that group in the singing field. Wish all of them got training. Literally no one improved their vocals from debut till now, except Jay maybe. All of them are average except Heeseung who's good. Sunoo is above average.
@@okayyy-mp8ft I know, like I said, everyone except for heesung (& sunoo, kinda) were basically weak vocalists. Idk about improvents of the others in the last months since I was mia seemingly anywhere tho😬
I have been following SM ent for 11 years and I have never heard about them forcing their trainee to get plastic surgery. They recommend it but do not force them to do that.
Obviously forcing someone is illegal, but saying: „Sorry your looks don‘t fit the concept of the new group.“ is perfectly fine. So that way it‘s not forced, but pressured to.
Uhm i wouldn’t say forced but pressured too cause they were on seulgi for the longest time telling her to get plastic surgery for her eyes and mark they would all up on him to get plastic surgery
A member of Brown Eyed Girls exposed SM for telling her that her eyes were small and needed to be big before she became a trainee at SM. She has amazing vocals that she debuted in BEG after a producer from another agency heard her
@@anna-5104but e. g. Chenle from NCT debuted even though he declined surgery, so if you are talented enough (and not completely looking like trash) you seem to get debuted anyway
@@juvyjanededios97 yeah and were are BEG members now? most of kpop stans probably haven't even heard about them, but they all know SNSD that debuted at around the same time, I don't approve of the belief that idols should be flawless in looks but unfortunately that's how kpop industry works. at least they don't JUST look out for pretty idols in sm, they do care about talent too
Its actually a good thing for what Hybe been doing. They made the trainees grow and create their own colour, it also make the competition healthier. It also depends on them, if you want it work for it so when debuted they know they achieve with their own hardwork & creativity
for SM, yes PHYSICAL APPEAREANCE is a MUST for them BUT YOU CANT DEBUT without those POTENTIAL that they are looking for - you must be a TALENTED trainee. as you can see, those groups who already debuted are really successful (as well individually) because of their TALENT - they even have works outside their job being an idol. but i dont really agree with that sm would really really force their trainees to get PS or else they wont debut, because as eunhyuk said, the company asked him to get PS but he declined it and look at him now, a very talented one. so yeah, all sm groups are really beautiful and good looking naturally.
AND ALSO, A LOT OF SM TRAINEES ARE REALLY REALLY GOOD LOOKING AND BEAUTIFUL PLUS TALENTED ONES (ex. smrookies) but up until now, THEY HAVENT DEBUTED YET - not even sure if they will still debut. :)
Plastic surgery probably applies to all the companies, especially nowadays. The competition is tougher and ever and companies focus more on visual appeal of the groups than the music. Like, some of the recently debuted idols barely can hold a note. Not everyone is Mariah Carey but there should be a bare minimum of what idols should be able to do.
I feel like kpop is just a popularity game at this point like if you are in a big well known company and are pretty then u can do anything, meanwhile there’s groups that are talented and don’t get much recognition. That’s why I’m getting into jpop because I feel that it’s about talent instead of visuals
@@sherbear6625 guess what made Kpop a popularity game in the first place ! It was never this way 6/7 years ago .
at least sm idols can sing, they are literally famous for being the vocal power house of kpop
It is true that SM Ent asks a lot of its trainees to do surgery, but they can start without. NCT's Chenle refused, and he made his debut anyway.
But Chenle is rich. I’m sure his parents intervened.
@@blueshoes5145yes exactly. Chenle is rich and he already had a music career and he's very funny and distinguishable. SM wasn't about to drop that gold mine.
@@hermionegranger6405what about eunhyuk and taemin
i meaaann as bad as SM wants to be this top-tier visual producing company..
They do actually produce really really talented artists, like choreography aside they can fucking sing like.. better than any agency in South Korea tbh lol.
I think hybe one makes sense....we have had enough of trainess that were forced to fit into categories or forced to sing or rap just cause they were selected based on visuals and had no talent in that field...we can see the increased use of autotune these days as result
sm never force their trainee to get plastic surgeryy where do you get this info?? Many traine left sm bcs their not enough to be in new group ,like their vocal dsnt suit with sm concept and for hybee i think its not that bad
IKR, i've been following sm (their artist i mean) for years and i never heard them force their trainees to do plastic surgery? as far as i know they only left because they find it hard to compete with the other trainee or like they didnt suit(?) the new group's concept
@@xydexonn_im6953 YESS RIGHTT
the creator spread fake news
Just wait and watch this plastic surgery thing about sm is going to spread like jisoo and jin nearly debuting in rv and exo. People are just going to believe it😂💀
@@m.gurung7489 yess stupid ppl
@@xydexonn_im6953 Someone in the comments said that in the past, SM tried to buy BTS when they were getting more popular, is this true? People was arguing about who's #1 company wise or "big 4". (Not a Army btw it just sounded interesting 😅).
Hybe really wants to show their trainees's real talent❤️
There's no thing as big4 it had always been BIG3 and it will always remain like so
I watched a video of an ex-Hybe trainee and it’s true that his days as trainee wasn’t that tiring. Pretty chill, they had classes to learn Korean and dance and vocal. But he was also let go after the first round of evaluations. So I’m assuming the higher you climb, the harder the training becomes. This makes sense as why would the company waste resources to train someone unpromising?
good job hybe, you are creating talented idols
JYP is logical. It's true that they should have the best of the best
Like what other ex YG trainees said in shows after leaving YG, YG TRAINEES ARE VERY COMPETITIVE. If you want to survive, you need to always be at your Ultima bestsssss. Only a few can survive, only those who are crazy hungry to debut under YG.
For Yg, yes they take YEARS to debut their trainees, but the outcome is always the best. Baby Monster as an example. They have been training for years even though they are really young, but they are talented like any other idol that has experts
Honestly it makes me so proud hearing big4. The fact that BTS made a company rise to that height is such a huge deal. Ik it's off topic but still sharing the proud moment ;-;
Edit: Guys I realize different people have different opinions on the topic but my comment was basically just a way to express how proud I am of tannies. No company is perfect and it is obvious that hybe is where it stands mainly due to BTS. Love to all! (Please don't start a war)
Me too I was so happy 'it's the big 4 now'
I remember seeing a video and one part showed how Bighit had more money than the big3 combined
I was just about to comment the same thing as all of you 😂
@@kimkardashianlostearring5277 It's not more, it's way way more money. BTS alone was towering over big3, but after acquisition and making other sub-labels, it became too high that even the cumulative profit of Big3 can't touch HYBE.
NewJeans, Le sserafim, TXT, Seventeen, Enhypen - everyone sales millions after all. BTS members individually can sell millions now.
Wait but it's just the big 3 do u guys even know why it's ONLY called the big 3??
Jyp is definitely for me. Im a horrifically fast learner and the fact that they drop trainees would make me practice non stop, forcing me to get better.
the SM one is so untrue, literally eunhyuk of suju said he wanted to get nose job at a certain point in his career and the company told him not to? i see more trainee leaving because debut seemed unsure / far away.
They told him not to because then he’d have to get other surgeries to fit their “image”
That hybe one was good
Plastic surgery one is not just for SM. Any kpop entertainment could be forcing their idols to do that. Like it's so hard to find an idol who didn't any surgeries. I'll take an example from these mentioned entertainments. Sakura was the visual of her previous group and still she had to do some another ps before debuting in lesserafim. They even made idols who have already debuted to undergo ps. But everyone is just pointing out to SM only.
YG uses that strategy to filter the finest ones tbh. I think all of the companies at some point does that. And I’m glad for it tbh
It’s a good thing that Bp was patient enough
You wrong abt YG, YGent has an assessment every month, the trainees will be assessed whether their talents in singing, dancing and making songs have increased or not shown improvement, if he can't compete among other talent trainees then he will be sent home, you can see how the training system works at Ygent on WINNER, IKON, TREASURE, BLACKPINK and even now BAEMON. If you don't believe one reason can be convincing, how can Miyeon (G-idle) who is so pretty and has good singing technique be eliminated as a member of BP? Even trainees who have been at YG for a long time sometimes experience pressure because their talent is not as good as other trainees so they give up and leave YGent
YG is known for giving financial assistance to trainees and they don't bury them in debts. YG is also known for paying talent fees higher than other agencies.
Yes
also it not only due to not talented or skill enough but what important is how they fit in the group, that will make them debut
Miyeon was not eliminated she left
LoL Miyeon left because YG the delay of their debut plus YG didn't give them stage exposure
Hybes reason is really logical this just makes me want to join hybe so much as a label, and jyps too
As for SM its pretty simple to prove it, just gather all the idol predebut pict, even their childhood pict.
As i stan their BG i can assure you that all of them are natural (I didn't know much about their GG).
So, it's debunked that claim (pressure their trainee to have a plastic surgery)
Sure buddy
You may debut late in yg but you can't deny that every group they debuted has found success in their career they also pay salaries way earlier
These hybe comments🙄 - natural talent is good, but trainees still need proper support for their talents to strengthen. It really is the difference between being able to perform just your groups music and being truly skilled
I actually agree with u I thought the same
For sm is obviously made up. They cast trainees for their looks and talents and you can obviously see that most ex sm trainees are pretty and handsome. Ya'll just hype up the issue with aespa's ps and assume that sm force their trainees to do ps in order to debut when infact most ex sm traineed are pretty and handsome.
The most accurate is that sm keep having a lot of trainees and promising them to debut, but end up choosing other trainees. (Poor hina can't accept what happened to her) Also if the trainers/higher up doesn't see an idol material in a trainee they will send them to other departments like modelling and acting.
@Gigi Herrier girl are you watching this video? Can't you comprehend properly? I don't have to explain it to you.
@Gigi Herrier SM created the training system and that's all
@Gigi Herrier no you did not comprehend properly. This video was about what idols hate about their company not what the company invented etc. and it's NOT TRUE that sm FORCED Trainees to do ps in order to debut. SM doesn't require their idols to do ps just to debut. Most of them debuted without ps and most of them did ps AFTER DEBUT! and that is artists choice not forced. Except for aespa who debuted already doing ps.
@Gigi Herrierdropped the artists name 💀 if you can't well that shows you are lying. Drop the name of artists who confirmed that he/she was force by sm to undergo ps just to debut.
@@heart8143 Ik this is kinda late but why was this even an argument?! Almost every idol in the industry undergoes ps and its not like it was the trainees idea, it was obviously the company that wanted it! So whether or not SM “forces” the trainees, what proof do u have? Because they still have majority of their idols and that issue wasn’t even brought up until Aespa??!
SM don't force anyone until now it's just a rumour and they're even good than any other company atleast they are not debuting a KID who born in 2007 !
hybe needs to focus on their vocal lessons tho lmaoo
Yes Ur ryt
True lol, people here be praising hybe but it's the exact reason for which hybe idols are trolled. They are the best performers imo, but when it comes to singing, in a group barely 1-2 people can sing ( vocals. Good vocals, not talking about rappers).
Hybe one I agree man.
Look at I-Land from where Enhypen debuted. They learnt and improved every dance move on their own with minimal guidance. The trainees helped each other. It was a hell of a show seriously.
So proud my talented boys debuted 🙏😫😭🥺🫂💓
not vocals
@@cjnem7243 vocals also they did it on their own. Without much guidence. Wdym?
@@springdayofficial did it on their own by being mid vocals lack of support cannot sing live you know why their song are full of autotune
@@cjnem7243 lmao. You clearly have seen nothing and don't listen to them by writing this comment. It's so obvious.
Enhypen has the most difficult choreography and still sings live. In MMA 2022, they and monsta X were the only one to sing live and it was proved by official sites. Even In MAMA , KBS, GDA they sang live. That too did encore so go cry somewhere else.
Plus their songs are top tier. 2nd most streamed song they bag in 4th gen after skz. You're not aware of reality, not my fault.
I bet you're a gg stan or a YG group stan.
Cause all of these super ass jealous of enha since they are literally more talented then their faves.
Or probably a 3rd gen crazy stan who is so insecure that they are comparing their faves to a 2 year old group.
Don't cry. Your nugus will stay nugus.
Hybe rules the k-pop planet anyway!
what nonsense. hybe has vocals coaches. plus they send artist to the United States to train.
If i will be an idol, ofcource,i will choose hybe or jyp 💁.. Actually they are BETTER than promising fake to idols/trainees or just changing the stucture of a person's face 🙂. (My opinion. No need to fight over this).
Choose jyp.... it's better.
If I could get a chance to join a company it would be Jyp
YG is promising us that Baby monster is coming soon, in 6 years😍😍😍
Sorry but is big 3, sm, jyp and yg. Hybe is not on the podium, big 3 is about the foundation of kpop, back in the 90s.
he means is that this is the biggest agency in this era
Stuck in the past I see. Guess what, wake up it's already 5th gen not 1st gen anymore. Times change, definitions change, public opinion change and so must you adapt.
'Minimal mentors' I disagree I've seen Sakura drastically improving in Hybe and look at Lesserafim how synchronized they're just because of their strict mentors
That's because Sakura heavily needed it. She was the weakest one there in terms of everything.
@@willo8757 that's exactly the same thing needed it and got it
this video is nonsense. I know for fact the hybe has vocals coaches.
@@nicoleloss7987 I think they were meaning less then other companies not none at all. This isn't a bad thing if true (not sure if it even is) cause it could be because they are wanting them to develop their own styles instead of just fully following the teacher?
For the SM haters/self righteous stans, just so you know, most of your groups have had plastic surgery. Almost all. Like, all of your faves, literally. They change their appearance to fit beauty standards in some way. They have to because it’s unfortunately a part of their job. They may have been pressured by their company or SK’s culture which seems to be very image focused. That’s South Korea and that’s k-pop.
The fact that jyp chooses talent over visual🤝
Maybe Hybe/ Bighit changed from before since not all artist that debut came to them fully ready but I still don't see a issue. Look at it this way if it's their dream by the time they audition for a company they should be close to ready to debut otherwise what does a company have to judge but their looks and hopes that they'll become talented later on? Glad they take talent over potential otherwise it'd be a group of visuals with little to no talent.
If i had chose one of them then I'll choose JYPE
New yg trainees: "We’ve trained for 3 years and they don’t wanna debut us"
Meanwhile all top YGE idols: debuted for 7 years
“HYBE offer less teachers and practice instruction”
No wonder….😌😌
if that's true, jyp is the only good company out of 4. they over the best trainer and teacher, provide good food, education and all.. it's between you can keep up the pace or you lose, because it makes them want to prepare a group for next debut
I want to choose SM, just to meet Exo, shinee , NCT and Aespa .
I am born beauty so i dont think they will make me do PS.
I am bathroom singer 🤣🤣🤣
And i can rap too if their is autotune
I can dance if no one see me
SM doesn’t force their idols to get plastic surgery tho, they don’t even force them to get on diets, its always the artist choice. I remember that when the Red Velvet members gained weight for Dumb Dumb comeback netizens attacked them so much that they had to lose weight, but that was because of the hate the were getting, not because SM forced them. Also seulgi mentioned the company suggested her to get double eyelid surgery but she didn’t want to get it and the company didn’t force her to do it…she even debuted so i don’t think SM forces their idols to do things they don’t want to. SM is even one of the few companies that doesn’t care about their idols dating since debut, they don’t have a dating ban like JYP or YG, and the artists can also get tattoos and piercings if they want too since debut, for example ningning already has like three tattoos and she got them a few months after Aespa debuted
YG doesn’t promise anything and that’s why trainees leaves because they’re uncertain on whether they’ll be able to debut because even official numbers and members to debut aren’t made official thus you’re really just in for the ‘luck’ with so much uncertainty. There was an ex trainee mentioned about this.. am not sure if it’s sua
There is no big 4 . It’s big 3 + hybe
Yeah right but hybe is the richest .
@@priyankadebnath5090it's not about being rich😗
@@annamathew7096 and hybe is the best :)
@@annamathew7096 but Hybe is still bigger💀
@@priyankadebnath5090 there's no big 4, never and will never be. Big companies like SM, JYP and YG are defined as “BIG 3”, because they contributed a lot of famous kpop group from 1st generation until now. HYBE LABELS only made their success during 3rd gen until now. I agree that HYBE LABELS is waaay more richer than the Big 3, but there's no such thing as “BIG 4”. That's why the other commentor said above that “its not about being rich”.
There are no such things as the big 4
It's the big 3
Hybe may have rise over the years but they are not considered that
no…one…cares
Womp womp
Hybe and JYP make sense to me. That's a very competitive industry, if you aren't good enough, there're 10 people waiting that are gonna be better.
I like HYBE and JYP’s mentality. If you want it, you’ll work hard. Shapes character