Riv was spitting about Purdy. Purdy has been legit. He’s not as elite as the high end QBs in the league like Allen, Mahomes etc. but he makes high iq plays and doesn’t turn the ball over. If he maintains this pace throughout the whole season he should definitely be in the MVP convo.
I agree with that Purdy’s legit but why should he be in the MVP convo? Bc at his current pace we’re talking about 20-21 passing TDs, 4k passing yards, 8 rushing TDs & close to 100 yards rushing. Those rushing #s are suspect considering the volume they’ll likely come down to 4-5. So we’re looking at 24-26 total TDs, 4k passing yards with 100 or less rushing yards for an MVP. I’m not the biggest stats person so what I’m saying is Purdy’s would have to take his game to another level before being in the MVP convo. Even Hurts was at 35 total TDs last season ijs.
@@Obie_24 because MVP is a QB award and the 49ers are the best team in the NFL if he continues to throw 0 INTs and the team continues winning every game, why shouldn’t he be in that convo? Weird comparison with Jalen Hurts tho. Hurts was the MVP front runner before getting injured and ended up being the runner up. I never said that Purdy will/should be the MVP favorite, hell he probably isn’t even top 3 but he should 100% be “in the convo” if he continues to be consistent and win. He’s already #7/#8 in MVP betting odds and he has room to climb up.
@@Obie_24 how about now? On pace for 31 passing TDs, 4.3K passing yards, 0 INTs, 7 rushing TDs and leading a 5-0 team. do we think that deserves MVP consideration?
When RIV gets heated puts a smile on my face cuz dude spits nothing but facts!!! Watching this and hearing riv say plug in DJ fucking Moore and watching Moore go for 3 tds and 230 🔥🔥🔥#RIVISFACTS
I hate when people make the argument that "Purdy only looks good because his team is good" well look at Tua & Jalen Hurts before their teams made Trades and coaching changes, people literally called those two dog shit and now its a complete 180 on the two simply because of AJ Brown, Tyreke Hill, Jaylen Waddle, & Devonta Smith.
I probably was the only panthers fan that wanted us to trade burns for those two first the rams offered.. We should've started corral for the year so we can be in the running for Caleb or Drake. But nah we decided to be stupid
The mistake was trading the house away for Bryce. When they could have just tanked for Caleb Williams. They rushed it. They could have stayed at 9th and got Jalen Carter. Kept DJ Moore.
I agree with joel as a panthers fan. I didnt want bryce, cj was a clear #1 pick.bryce has to get 2 or 3 times better than he is next year to have a chance at making the panthers not regret takimg cj. Hes already way better and will improve which is scary. I honestly feel like he wont last 5 years on this team unless a miracle happens
@@JayDimez36exactly, people are not even even watching panthers game an saying this. Our offense is anemic as a whole, idk what they want Bryce to do when the only receiver that can get separation is his tight end
1:08:56 if you took him off the team you would just see more check downs to cmc and rpos to deebo this system is made off adjustments you act like they depend on one guy they depend on everybody it’s a team sport Joel what are you on bro for real🤦♂️🤦♂️
Someone correct me if I am wrong but CJ Stroud is the best 3rd downs QB in the NFL....he's having a special start As for Bryce Young, I will give him a year so we can get a full body of work. Sometimes it's hard to judge prospects in their rookie season. Trevor Lawrence is the only recent example I have of this.
Winston, Goff, Kyler. I don’t remember any of these guys getting off to good starts. Now they all ended up not working out long term but there are for sure more examples than just TLaw.
@@ghandibanksjosh Allen was horrific his rookie year, so was geno smith and drew brees ( who Bryce is literally compared too) they are sleeping on Bryce he’s going to take a year or two but just like drew Bree’s once he gets time in the pocket and can get a supporting cast he’s accurate as can be and has great pocket presence
JJ Hill Diggs Keenan Smith Waddle Chase Higgins Olave Mclaurin Dk Hollywood Puka Kupp Mike Williams Lamb Cooks Wilson Dj moore Christian Watson ARSB mike Evans Chris Godwin London Pittman jr Nico Collins Amari cooper Aj brown Pickens Diontae Johnson Davante Adams Calvin Ridley And there are probably more where there’s no drop off. Not saying better but saying could cover his production.
Joel talking abt Bryce actually made me angry, there hasn’t been enough time to judge him yet and his point abt screen plays meaning he’s not trusted could equally be used to say that he’s not being given a proper offensive scheme to execute. Saying he doesn’t pop off directly after saying he’s given uninspiring plays to execute is so idiotic and contradictory.
Someone tell Joel the criteria for mvp please. Numbers, wins and a little narrative/play and plus you have to be a qb unless you are having an historic season. Purdy will have good arguments for almost all of those
Bruh I ain’t never agreed with riv more than rn, bro respect that he brought up how Jalen hurts has been alright, cuz it’s true he’s been alright outside of last week.
Football is not like basketball. In basketball anybody on the floor can score or turn it over. That’s why mistakes matter less, because if you turn it over in basketball, you can hustle back on defense and make a play to get it back. And even if you don’t get it back you only gave up 2 or 3 points and will have plenty of possessions to make up for it. But Football is different because it’s the ultimate team sport. Daniel Jones in a vacuum is not that bad. Solid accuracy, good speed, great size, he’s just a little turnover prone. If this was basketball he could be a good shooter with size and speed to play defense and make highlight plays as well. But once again this is football. The ultimate team sport. When he makes those little mistakes, his teammates now have to make up for that. If the defense can’t make up for your mistake, you HAVE TO make a play for the team. Or to put it plainly, you are a great athlete who is not good at football.
59:41 thank you riv that shi that Joel said on instagram about Purdy was crazy he’s exactly what Kyle wants in a qb that’s why they shipped tray even tho he had the “bigger upside” Purdy really just one of them ones fr🤝
AR is playing great, the Colts WRs have had a lot of drops so his comp% looks worse than he's actually playing. He's not perfect by any means (show me a rookie QB who was), but for being only 3 starts in after only starting in 13 games in college I couldn't be happier with his performance so far as a Colts fan.
Joel is genuinely just a hater. I get yall think Brock Purdy isn’t great but you don’t have to be ignorant and stupid. Two of the most important factors to winning MVP is team wins and individual numbers. Let’s say the niners go 15-2 and Purdy has like 35 touchdowns. He will have a good ass shot at winning mvp, unless cmc has some ungodly numbers too because qb’s get the preference. So the answer to the question should have been a unanimous yes, he should be in the mvp conversation. I’ve said it before Purdy processes the field better than half of the 16 qb’s Joel has before him so what if he doesn’t have a rocket arm
Joel loves to shit on brock purdy and the niners every chance he gets 🤣🤣 glad riv there to keep him in check lmaoo. Ironic considering the Zach situation in Jets kingdom😭 buddy got no room to talk about young QBs
been watching and enjoying the pod for a while, but idk if it’s just me, but i don’t like the camera switching where i can’t see all members of the pod. I like to see everyone’s reactions to the different monologues. edit: other than that, still love the podcast!
i'm 50/50 on it as well. maybe over time it will grow on us as fans, change is always strange at first. the quality is quite a bit better when it's zoomed which is a plus.
Had the Giants got Hopkins it doesn’t do much, bruh has looked horrible and o-line is atrocious. Jones wouldn’t be able to get the ball to him and his decision making is ight at best
I hate that you guys put the lions over the Seahawks cuz of supposedly better team or chiefs win. 1. The Seahawks easily have the better team Amon ra is compares to dk and Lockett, plus the run game almost the same with Montgomery and Gibbs to k9 and Zach. Lions have a better line but we’re making do with back ups rn, then defense we make the gap, probably the best db group in the league with woolen, Witherspoon, diggs, love and adams if stays healthy. Bobby and brooks are tackle merchants that are helping shit the run game. Plus our d line isn’t bad either, no we don’t have a Aiden Hutchinson level yea but we do have all around decent with mafe, uwosu, reed, jones and the different plays can be called with brooks and Wagner rushing or adman and spoon. Making the qb see so many different types of rushes I just don’t see how you can say they better then these guys and 2. Chiefs win is without kelce, and the starting receivers is toney, Moore and Mvs where now it’s rashee rice, Justin Watson and and mixture of sky moor and mvs. They run the game back chiefs win
Brock purdy haters will make up new criteria's to hate on purdy over looking at objective facts😂😂😂 clowns like joel moran will make up hypothetical scenarios and call that facts😂😂😂😂 brock purdy is definitely playing better than trevor lawrence...
Daniel Welfare Sucks he been sucked no black qb would’ve got a contract like dat off a 15 td season it’s cuz they were desperate an it’s New York hope Saquon leaves for good go to LAC
Any QB with a very shaky line can’t be judged 100%. If they have a solid line and still making bad plays then you can call them a bad QB. DJ never really had a solid line… Eli is an example of this
Imagine if the jets drafted Zach Wilson, saw that he sucks, never tried to replace him, then paid him 40 mil. That’s what the giants did, only difference is DJ had support from the front office and Zach didn’t.
@@digontozahid my point is that even in his best season he still sucked. But the giants acted like there were no concerns. Not saying the jets did it right either. Just saying the giants gave Danny enough to be better, but he’s just not the guy.
Saying Daniel Jones is a below average QB is crazy. I really wish my boy even had a decent situation. Im not saying hes crazy good but he is not a below average QB.
When Riv is active in debates, he’s the best in that room. That Purdy debate is in the realm of the KD discussion
Riv was spitting about Purdy. Purdy has been legit. He’s not as elite as the high end QBs in the league like Allen, Mahomes etc. but he makes high iq plays and doesn’t turn the ball over. If he maintains this pace throughout the whole season he should definitely be in the MVP convo.
I agree with that Purdy’s legit but why should he be in the MVP convo? Bc at his current pace we’re talking about 20-21 passing TDs, 4k passing yards, 8 rushing TDs & close to 100 yards rushing. Those rushing #s are suspect considering the volume they’ll likely come down to 4-5. So we’re looking at 24-26 total TDs, 4k passing yards with 100 or less rushing yards for an MVP. I’m not the biggest stats person so what I’m saying is Purdy’s would have to take his game to another level before being in the MVP convo. Even Hurts was at 35 total TDs last season ijs.
@@Obie_24 because MVP is a QB award and the 49ers are the best team in the NFL if he continues to throw 0 INTs and the team continues winning every game, why shouldn’t he be in that convo? Weird comparison with Jalen Hurts tho. Hurts was the MVP front runner before getting injured and ended up being the runner up. I never said that Purdy will/should be the MVP favorite, hell he probably isn’t even top 3 but he should 100% be “in the convo” if he continues to be consistent and win. He’s already #7/#8 in MVP betting odds and he has room to climb up.
@@Obie_24 how about now? On pace for 31 passing TDs, 4.3K passing yards, 0 INTs, 7 rushing TDs and leading a 5-0 team. do we think that deserves MVP consideration?
Joel, just because someone has a different opinion than you does not make them wrong 🤣🤣
1:55am huh? Yall don’t care about my sleep at all
low key be workin out tho
When RIV gets heated puts a smile on my face cuz dude spits nothing but facts!!! Watching this and hearing riv say plug in DJ fucking Moore and watching Moore go for 3 tds and 230 🔥🔥🔥#RIVISFACTS
I hate when people make the argument that "Purdy only looks good because his team is good" well look at Tua & Jalen Hurts before their teams made Trades and coaching changes, people literally called those two dog shit and now its a complete 180 on the two simply because of AJ Brown, Tyreke Hill, Jaylen Waddle, & Devonta Smith.
Degree of difficulty matters.
damn Rob cooked enough food for a village in that Purdt debate😂😂😂, and Joel literally hates Purdue which is weird cuz he likes underdog stories
Best video ever!!!!!
Rio Cafe over here cooking joel Sheeeeeeeesh
I probably was the only panthers fan that wanted us to trade burns for those two first the rams offered.. We should've started corral for the year so we can be in the running for Caleb or Drake. But nah we decided to be stupid
The mistake was trading the house away for Bryce. When they could have just tanked for Caleb Williams. They rushed it.
They could have stayed at 9th and got Jalen Carter. Kept DJ Moore.
Joel “dropped interception” Moran
joel kept bringing the same point up cause he ain know what to say 😂😂😂
Purdy is playing better than burrow right now!
purdy needs respect, literally hasnt lost a game, plain and simple, who cares if he isnt top 10
Joel gotta be trolling ngl 😂 bro be tweaking in these debates
bro this has turned into a brock purdy debate show. these boys talk about brock purdy every show
Giants receivers really not that bad. Chiefs, Panthers, Cardinals, Packers, all have less and are putting up better numbers.
I agree with joel as a panthers fan. I didnt want bryce, cj was a clear #1 pick.bryce has to get 2 or 3 times better than he is next year to have a chance at making the panthers not regret takimg cj. Hes already way better and will improve which is scary. I honestly feel like he wont last 5 years on this team unless a miracle happens
Put stroud on the panthers and he’s not nearly playing as good as he is now
@@JayDimez36exactly, people are not even even watching panthers game an saying this. Our offense is anemic as a whole, idk what they want Bryce to do when the only receiver that can get separation is his tight end
why is drew so in love with daniel jones? jones has crap pocket presence, dude constantly getting blind sided and fumbling from it 😂
1:08:56 if you took him off the team you would just see more check downs to cmc and rpos to deebo this system is made off adjustments you act like they depend on one guy they depend on everybody it’s a team sport Joel what are you on bro for real🤦♂️🤦♂️
Someone correct me if I am wrong but CJ Stroud is the best 3rd downs QB in the NFL....he's having a special start As for Bryce Young, I will give him a year so we can get a full body of work. Sometimes it's hard to judge prospects in their rookie season. Trevor Lawrence is the only recent example I have of this.
Winston, Goff, Kyler. I don’t remember any of these guys getting off to good starts. Now they all ended up not working out long term but there are for sure more examples than just TLaw.
@@rellfacts279great point.
@@ghandibanksjosh Allen was horrific his rookie year, so was geno smith and drew brees ( who Bryce is literally compared too) they are sleeping on Bryce he’s going to take a year or two but just like drew Bree’s once he gets time in the pocket and can get a supporting cast he’s accurate as can be and has great pocket presence
Geno 😂😂😂
w pod
Joel Purdy argument is trash. I could 40 WR in place of Aiyuk and there wouldn’t be a drop off
JJ
Hill
Diggs
Keenan
Smith
Waddle
Chase
Higgins
Olave
Mclaurin
Dk
Hollywood
Puka
Kupp
Mike Williams
Lamb
Cooks
Wilson
Dj moore
Christian Watson
ARSB
mike Evans
Chris Godwin
London
Pittman jr
Nico Collins
Amari cooper
Aj brown
Pickens
Diontae Johnson
Davante Adams
Calvin Ridley
And there are probably more where there’s no drop off. Not saying better but saying could cover his production.
Crazy cause nick mullens is Kirk cousins back up 😭😭
💙💙💙💙
im sorry Purdy will never be better than geno. Purdy is average with a perfect system
Daniel Jones makes no one better Andrew … I’m sorry but he wasn’t worth that money .
Hey mf the goat Mullens is still playing
Saying Bryce young the wrong pick after 4 nfl games is ridiculous. I know y’all need headlines for clicks but a lil credibility gone
Joel talking abt Bryce actually made me angry, there hasn’t been enough time to judge him yet and his point abt screen plays meaning he’s not trusted could equally be used to say that he’s not being given a proper offensive scheme to execute. Saying he doesn’t pop off directly after saying he’s given uninspiring plays to execute is so idiotic and contradictory.
Joel is the absolute worst when it comes to Purdy 🤣🤣
Nah Riv was COOKING Joel holy shit 😭😂😂😂 Joel is such a hater on players that he doesn’t like when they are playing well 😭
Riv cooking in the Purdy debate, go 9ers
Someone tell Joel the criteria for mvp please. Numbers, wins and a little narrative/play and plus you have to be a qb unless you are having an historic season. Purdy will have good arguments for almost all of those
Riv and Joel arguments are always entertaining 😂
Fighting this hard for Daniel Jones smh, stockholm syndrome is a treacherous curse of man.
I love joel cuz he gets my blood boiling pause, I almost never agree with him but idc I love it
Why pause that 😂
@J_Wolf_ sometimes you just gotta be safe😂😂😂
He does it on purpose lol
Bruh I ain’t never agreed with riv more than rn, bro respect that he brought up how Jalen hurts has been alright, cuz it’s true he’s been alright outside of last week.
Football is not like basketball. In basketball anybody on the floor can score or turn it over. That’s why mistakes matter less, because if you turn it over in basketball, you can hustle back on defense and make a play to get it back. And even if you don’t get it back you only gave up 2 or 3 points and will have plenty of possessions to make up for it. But Football is different because it’s the ultimate team sport.
Daniel Jones in a vacuum is not that bad. Solid accuracy, good speed, great size, he’s just a little turnover prone. If this was basketball he could be a good shooter with size and speed to play defense and make highlight plays as well. But once again this is football. The ultimate team sport. When he makes those little mistakes, his teammates now have to make up for that. If the defense can’t make up for your mistake, you HAVE TO make a play for the team. Or to put it plainly, you are a great athlete who is not good at football.
59:41 thank you riv that shi that Joel said on instagram about Purdy was crazy he’s exactly what Kyle wants in a qb that’s why they shipped tray even tho he had the “bigger upside” Purdy really just one of them ones fr🤝
nobody on this show is wrong more than joel
Just joined the Pateron for Pick ‘ems! Happy to be supporting the boys!
The Brock purdy hate is unreal, but Brock and the niners love it
It’s bad & I’m a chiefs fan! Purdy is top 10 rn.
AR is playing great, the Colts WRs have had a lot of drops so his comp% looks worse than he's actually playing. He's not perfect by any means (show me a rookie QB who was), but for being only 3 starts in after only starting in 13 games in college I couldn't be happier with his performance so far as a Colts fan.
Cj stroud rn, justin Herbert, Mahomes, lamar, Joe Burrow, brock purdy, mac jones,
Danny dimes got sacked 10 times in one game and Sam Howell is still the most sacked QB in the league 🥴 that’s insane
Joel is genuinely just a hater. I get yall think Brock Purdy isn’t great but you don’t have to be ignorant and stupid. Two of the most important factors to winning MVP is team wins and individual numbers. Let’s say the niners go 15-2 and Purdy has like 35 touchdowns. He will have a good ass shot at winning mvp, unless cmc has some ungodly numbers too because qb’s get the preference. So the answer to the question should have been a unanimous yes, he should be in the mvp conversation. I’ve said it before Purdy processes the field better than half of the 16 qb’s Joel has before him so what if he doesn’t have a rocket arm
Joel loves to shit on brock purdy and the niners every chance he gets 🤣🤣 glad riv there to keep him in check lmaoo. Ironic considering the Zach situation in Jets kingdom😭 buddy got no room to talk about young QBs
Great show and immaculate camera quality
Debate rankings
1. Riv
2. Joel dehls
3. Drew
4. Joel moran
Nahhhhh I thought y’all was gassing it but Riv really cooked today 😭😭😭😭
Love the cameras pod looks great
Riv spitting and saying aiyuk going anywhere and being best receiver crazy
Joel chose violence, Riv reciprocated
the zach wilson hopium is comical. one alright game and suddenly zach wilson is the future of the jets. still coping from the loss of rodgers 😂
Love the late night drops
1:17:14 COOK RIV, COOK
FINALLY SHOWING RESPECT TO MY HAWKS, JOEL! I see you!
Cameron ward would be a great fit for the ny giants and they could prolly snag him in the third round
If Mike Tomlin gets fired Bears need to scoop him up
been watching and enjoying the pod for a while, but idk if it’s just me, but i don’t like the camera switching where i can’t see all members of the pod. I like to see everyone’s reactions to the different monologues.
edit: other than that, still love the podcast!
i'm 50/50 on it as well. maybe over time it will grow on us as fans, change is always strange at first. the quality is quite a bit better when it's zoomed which is a plus.
Had the Giants got Hopkins it doesn’t do much, bruh has looked horrible and o-line is atrocious. Jones wouldn’t be able to get the ball to him and his decision making is ight at best
Desmond Ridder and Daniel Jones is the exact same QB. Literally identical.
I would trust Brian Daboll still the Daniel Jones situation he can’t do much about
I hate that you guys put the lions over the Seahawks cuz of supposedly better team or chiefs win. 1. The Seahawks easily have the better team Amon ra is compares to dk and Lockett, plus the run game almost the same with Montgomery and Gibbs to k9 and Zach. Lions have a better line but we’re making do with back ups rn, then defense we make the gap, probably the best db group in the league with woolen, Witherspoon, diggs, love and adams if stays healthy. Bobby and brooks are tackle merchants that are helping shit the run game. Plus our d line isn’t bad either, no we don’t have a Aiden Hutchinson level yea but we do have all around decent with mafe, uwosu, reed, jones and the different plays can be called with brooks and Wagner rushing or adman and spoon. Making the qb see so many different types of rushes I just don’t see how you can say they better then these guys and 2. Chiefs win is without kelce, and the starting receivers is toney, Moore and Mvs where now it’s rashee rice, Justin Watson and and mixture of sky moor and mvs. They run the game back chiefs win
Brock purdy haters will make up new criteria's to hate on purdy over looking at objective facts😂😂😂 clowns like joel moran will make up hypothetical scenarios and call that facts😂😂😂😂 brock purdy is definitely playing better than trevor lawrence...
Tell me how I knew when I saw a Brock purdy debate was going to turn into the best yelling debate
why is Riv sitting there 😂
Daniel Welfare Sucks he been sucked no black qb would’ve got a contract like dat off a 15 td season it’s cuz they were desperate an it’s New York hope Saquon leaves for good go to LAC
Dude acts like just cause you win MVP means you have to be the best player in the league for years. It's the best player THAT YEAR.
The disrespect to Brock Purdy is absolutely nuts…
Best video ever!!!!!!+
Any QB with a very shaky line can’t be judged 100%. If they have a solid line and still making bad plays then you can call them a bad QB. DJ never really had a solid line… Eli is an example of this
Y’all aren’t old enough to remember LT lol. CMC is great, being in an elite zone scheme is helping him cheat Father Time
Thank you for the pod
You’re wrong Dak Prescott is not a top 10 quarterback he’s more like a top 10 loser quarterback
Drew stop it, Mike needs to be on the hot seat. 3 playoff wins in 12 years , we haven’t done shit since 08’
the bryce young disrespect is crazy😂 i cant wait till he proves everyone wrong , he will b better then cj and a rich
As a 49er fan jimmy g is below average but Kyle always propped him up
Daniel Jones apologists are annoying, he has been hot garbage before coming into the league and hot garbage today
cj has the irl version of madden ability protected that o line fight so hard to protect him and they’re not even starters
Drew 1:21:46 has me crying yo😂😂😂😂
I feel u Joel I am not a bo nix believer. RPO system one read doesn’t translate well
He stay riding Jimmy's stats now it's he's a below average 😭😭🤣
QBR doesn’t win you an mvp, stop bringing it up
Jorel Moran L
Imagine if the jets drafted Zach Wilson, saw that he sucks, never tried to replace him, then paid him 40 mil. That’s what the giants did, only difference is DJ had support from the front office and Zach didn’t.
Daniel jones rookie year is better than zac wilsons whole football life ...
@@digontozahid my point is that even in his best season he still sucked. But the giants acted like there were no concerns. Not saying the jets did it right either. Just saying the giants gave Danny enough to be better, but he’s just not the guy.
Drew caping so hard for Daniel is nasty to watch he is garbage 😂😂
Nah I aint gon lie Riv SMOKED Joel's ass lmao
Okay but Deebo and AJ Brown were better than Ayuik is now
45:35 was straight blasphemy
Lamar >= Allen at their Best
Riv cheffed up in the kitchen against Joel
Saying Daniel Jones is a below average QB is crazy. I really wish my boy even had a decent situation. Im not saying hes crazy good but he is not a below average QB.
Bro in the blue is a bozo
What happened to the live pods ?
what did brock purdy do to you ?
He ate him up in this debate
Joel is so spot on about Daniel jones. If you just deny it it’s you being in denial. Drew will die on that hill.
Purdy vs Dj is dj easy for me.
Player for player