10 Things WWE Wants You To Forget About WCW
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- DX's false "invasion" of Nitro, ratings misery, the Invasion, and other WCW moments.
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This should be Volume One because there is definitely more than 10
Fr 😭
For real though I immediately thought "only 10?"😂
@@lememelordhunter2049 everything they want us to forget everything
Dam you are so right needs an on going top 10
We need a part 2!
The fact that, when he referred to "plenty of skeletons that he's like to keep in the closet", they showed a luchador who WASN'T La Parka was a big missed opportunity... Lol
Back in 2014 I was chatting to a fellow wrestling fan. She said she had only started watching WWE that year.
"Why's that?" I asked
"I was a WCW girl. If Manchester City went bust would they all start supporting Man United?!"
I got her point 🙂
Brilliant video Andy.
I honestly think they'd like us to forget WCW entirely now.
The fans tuned in to Invasion 2001 because they expected surprises from these big wrestlers that didnt sign with WWF. It did end up being a pretty good PPV, but it would have perhaps continued going that direction if they had shown up at the event.
So... you're kind of spinning a narrative of your own here. People half-expected them to show up. I know this, because I wasnt a full-blown in the know fan back then and me and my friends expected as much.
Vince should have listened to Shane and kept WCW a separate company run by Shane.
Or let him buy UFC back in the day
@@thepolarphantasm2319 Would UFC become what it is now if WWE had bought them?
@@hakimdiwan5101 Dana white is very much like Vince. Shane is not.
It's a similar question. UFC grew, same as WWE did, but it's just as stagnant and its owner is just as big a lolcow.
@@thepolarphantasm2319 Ohhh!
@@hakimdiwan5101 No, the UFC would likely have shut down. Vince would eventually put worked fights, as the idea of gambling and making money off of it would be too enticing. Every match would have to be investigated. The initial XFL, Vince even created a fake feud and promised to see possible nudity of cheerleaders in their locker room, just to attempt to bump the ratings. That contributed to the XFL's legitimacy being questioned.
Definitely no surprise that WWE wants everyone to forget about WCW’s 83 weeks of dominance in the ratings.
84
What? That's actually the one fact they WILL point out. They just dress it up as if WCW only ever bought pre-made, star talents, and that's the ONLY reason why the WWF was ever number two... oh, and the "WWF gets dominated" part was over in the blink of an eye. It's like Vince HAS TO basically no sell that part of WCW's history, just to make his inner-self ok with the fact that he got beat for almost two years straight.
Such a weird dude.
83, 84... to be perfectly honest, the longest uninterrupted WCW streak where viewing figures are available for both shows is about 47 weeks. Counting WWEs 61 week uninterrupted run at the end of the wars, it doesn't sound at all cool and sexy after all.
If only there was a show on the WWE Network called "The Monday Night Wars" that literally mentions is REPEATEDLY.
Actually they do acknowledge it. But they paint it as purely a result of the NWO. Heaven forbid they admit that what they were putting out was that godawful. Nope, it’s just that the competition had one good idea.
Nitro did three hours first.
Went live every week
Monthly ppvs
An in house training center
Like 80% of the hogan era was the awa. Sting turned them down multiple times.
Number One: that they had a perfect opportunity to create an awesome WWF vs WCW feud and they turned into McMahon vs McMahon, extremely boring nepotistic affair
They definitely could have booked the WWE vs WCW Invasion angle a lot better. They could have made the feud competitive, but no Vince had to bury everyone from WCW!
Vince did his heel character in Memphis with Jerry Laywer years before Bishoff.
Thank you! Someone else who knew about this.
I grew up with WCW it was something my dad and brothers watched every Monday and Thursday night, and AEW being like WCW is why I love AEW now a days.
Dude aew is not like WCW it's like the old wwf attitude era with a twist.
WWE never denied stealing talent; Jericho, Guerrero, Big Show…they deny stealing established main eventers. Which is mostly true, besides the Big Show, the WWE wasn’t taking WCW’s headline talents.
@TheVolourn to be fair he came to them
Proud to be one of the wcw fans that tuned out for years. And now I’m back tuning into dynamite and rampage! 💪
It's funny that you said WCW stole Nash, Hall, and Luger... When they were WCW guys years before WWE as well.
That thought had crossed my mind, as well.
84 weeks? 84?! Someone tell Eric Bischoff his podcast needs to be renamed lol
83 weeks 84 prograns
4:04 actually, Vince turned heel in the USWA long before Eric did in WCW
And Herb Abrams was a heel in early 90’s UWF.
I was looking to see if someone would bring this up
I was a WWE kid but I would rent the WCW videos at the two locations my parents frequented. I didn't really get the why of these guys fighting, but it was great! I feel that way when I watch old Kana + matches on UA-cam. The wrestling is amazing, but I've no idea of the why.
Vince McMahon had a heel Mr. McMahon-like gimmick in Memphis in 1993. It's hard to say that he stole that from Bischoff
It's just that Vince McMahon SR always told Vince that owners never get involved with in-ring roles. That's why he always avoided it but after Montreal screwjob he became a natural heel and he just encashed that heat
@@ananyaraizada7657 Yeah, and he also owed Jerry Lawler a favor, which is why that gimmick never left USWA in Memphis until the Screwjob
That line about Meng from the first entry caught me off guard and made me spit my food out, laughing.
They also had ric rude
Pretty sur. Next Monday vince would had a box with dx head inside
Actually the Mr. McMahon character was first revealed in Memphis Wrestling, before Nitro.
WWE never shuts up about the 84 weeks thing. They bring it up any chance they can get
Yeah if DX got in you Have Meng, barbarian, Scott Norton, Scott Steiner and several other legit scary dudes in that locker room at the time.
You have Meng, you have an army lol. I met Scott Norton one time, he was a really nice guy.
According to Kevin Nash, he and Scott Hall wanted to go out into the parking lot and confront DX but Bischoff wouldn't let them.
@@kageakuma3009 Norton was a sweetheart, but if needed, he could be a nightmare for anyone who messed with him.
@@RichWhiteUM Because they would have thrown up the kliq sign and tossed them a dx t shirt.
The buyout of WCW was the modern equivalent of Black Saturday. The fans of wrestling were simply not interested in WWE's product as Vince McMahon says himself, "it's not wrestling, it's sports entertainment."
Thats a terrible comparison.
@@ChristopherJohn4389 Both instances turned fans away from the WWF(E) product, so I feel it is an apt comparison in that context.
@@serialmiller1987 stfu WCW fanboy
@@jgv6323 You shut the hell up, WWE fanboy. Vince McMahon doesn't care about you or your loyalty.
@@christophermarriott1681 AEW mark TRIGGERED again. Read back what you said about WWE and apply the sane logic to your AEW fanboyism. You won't though because you're a hypocrite with no self awareness. If you had any self aware you'd see how ridiculous and immature you are right now
1:00 "IT'S AN ACTUAL FORBIDDEN DOOR!" My side hurts......
I’m grateful that Netflix had wrestling content back in 2012 which is the year I got into wrestling
It was there where I saw matches from WCW Clash Of The Champions and grew respect for what WCW was and also some of the future WWE icons that started in WCW.
🙄 Sure
@@TheLerm !
My thing that WWE seems to want to forget about WCW:
WWE's "win" in the Monday Night War was as much a factor of WCW's self-destruction as it was anything else. Unfortunately, WWE wants to forget this because it undercuts Vince's seeming genius...even as he is being exposed more and more as someone who was less a genius and more an egotist.
I wouldn’t even say that. Wcw ended because time Warner didn’t want wrestling on their channels anymore. Nitro and thunder were still the highest rated shows on their networks.
Honestly, I blame the AOL Time Warner merger. Regardless on how mismanaged the promotion was by 2000 and 2001, WCW would still might exist if not for the merger which saw Ted Turner's influence dissipate.
Nobody will ever accept that Vince is not a genius. Even his biggest rivals have admitted this fact
WWF started pulling ahead when WCW forgot that you have to have writers and cant just rely on your one good storyline that had stopped being interesting years before.
NWO when it first happened? Yeah, it was a big thing.
NWO when half your roster is a part of some NWO faction, you have 0 creative ideas besides "MORE NWO" and people are turning the channel after the first hour of Nitro to catch the full Raw show? Yeah, its gonna die.
The night he bought WCW was the last time I turned on a wrestling show until 2014.
I was always WCW over WWE (it was more available in the UK until about 2000) and at the time I really enjoyed the Invasion angle, mainly because my WCW favourites were back on TV!
AEW definitely feel like WCW 2.0 and in a good way! Not just in Sting, TNT, Tony Schiavoni etc, but the black ring ropes, the ramp to the ring, and the other touches like Dynamite (Nitro)!
I was pro-WCW in the whole cheer for the underdog kinda way. It was hard to be a WCW fan because I could see all the ways WWF were better. WCW definitely had enough great things to keep me pulling for them, but it was certainly like watching a train crash into a bus in slow motion.
Same in belgium 😁 wcw was available till the end in march 2001 ..
And yeah aew made me love wrestling again since it feels like wcw..( the good wcw ) its on tnt , sting , etc 😁
WWE didnt streal any those guys you listed. They all left cause WCW fired them , or was frustrated with the way. they were being used.
That WCW was actually pretty Awesome
This is one of the most flawed, biased episodes of WC I've ever seen. Absolutely brutal.
Exactly.
Agreed
This was terrible. Not only just because they're clearly showing how biased they are, but also just flat out telling lies and ignoring information.
??? Number 10 clearly made WCW look like weenies for closing their doors. Definitely accomplished quite a bit, especially with that particular time (late 90s)
Exactly, they completely missed the point of what that accomplished.
Hadn't Vince already done the Mr. McMahon gimmick as a guest in Memphis earlier?
He did, but Memphis Wrestling was not seen anywhere but Memphis outside of tape trading circles, so it wasn't acknowledged.
Razor Ramon was poached from AWA ("Big" Scott Hall)
Kevin Nash was in WCW first (Vinnie Vegas)
The Undertaker was poached from WCW ("Mean" Mark Callous) even though he was going nowhere in WCW
The Attitude Era edgier and grimier content did NOT copy ideas from WCW. The WWF at the time copied ECW.
I don't think the World Wrestling Entertainment or Titan Sports or whatever you want to call it is trying to hide the 84 weeks thing, it was brought up in backstage segments of the career mode of the video games in more than one game
I don't watch wrestling anymore, but the television ads and few snippets of AEW YT vids I've seen does remind me of WcW. When I watched with my grandfather.
Aew is amazing way better then wwe or wcw. You should check it out. Recommend next Wednesday Dynamite it's going be insane
@@pokesprout7469 Just not my thing anymore, but glad others enjoy.
@@KnicKnac This is what would bring you back. Wrestling is actually good again. Wrestling needed Aew. Your missing out
A bunch of these don’t qualify as things WWE want us to forget about WCW at all.
I watch every video you guys do every single day.. while working, playing, etc.. This is my absolute favorite I’ve seen and, no disrespect to anybody else… but Andy is the only person to do this one correctly. His amount of passion, excitement, and cheek is always delivered just right. Thanks for the entertainment!
Andy Murray is the worst at it. Simon Miller is better because he's not biased
@@franklingoodwin the entire staff seems to be some super talented lads! Simon is my spirit animal and Andy was the right person for the video (in my opinion) but not a big deal whatsoever.
@@franklingoodwin Why do you think Andy is biased?
@@ceulgai2817 Because of the things he says and the way he calls people that disagree with his opinions "creatures"
@@franklingoodwin Like what things? When has he called someone a creature for disagreeing?
Well this is a shit list against wwe at this point.
Yep. The timing is suspicious
@@franklingoodwin naw they always do this. And a lot of things on here didn’t really make sense to me. But whatever. I’ll let whatcultureaew tell y’all something
10 things AEW wants you to remember about WWE 😂
1) they've fucked up everything they've tried for decades
2) see #1
@@thepolarphantasm2319 I absolutely agree but would add
3) their tag division
4) Sting's whole run
5) the latter part of DB's last run
6) The early part of DB's first run
7) Punk's last year or two
I can't remember what else I wanted to say but ya could finish those ten and do at least ten more.
Also, yes I love AEW but also really enjoy SmackDown. It is really a very good program. All hail our Tribal Chief.
One love
@@boyankovachev7982 don’t forget the mass budget cuts
The wasted talent the got bigger in AEW
That it gets higher ratings (other the nonsense key demos which mean nothing to anyone that isn't a mark) and is more profitable 😆
Always good to hear an Andy Murray list.
Number 3 hit me hard because that was me. It took me at least 4 years to be invested in WWE but nothing like I was with WCW. I became loyal to TNA, started to really get behind ROH and NJPW a few years after that and started to love NXT. Now I find myself against any WWE programming and see AEW as “can’t miss TV.” With NWA, Impact, NJPW, ROH, and local promotions having great talent and matches I have no reason to go to WWE again.
TL;DR, I was WCW/nWo 4 life, now I’m bleeding that black and gold!
No surprise that this turns into aew is great. Thats what this channel is
On the massive Invasion buyrate and citing that as the reason the big names didn't have to be there... couldn't possibly be because we had the debut of Booker T and DDP a month earllier at KOTR and people were expecting bigger names to, well, invade at Invasion?
You're wrong on the DX at WCW.
It was gold and everyone but you, apparently, loved it.
Nah it was amazing and cool at the time but if you really look at it from an unbiased PoV it wasn't as cool or amazing as it seemed mainly cause they made it out to be this massive attack on WCW but really it was a group of people hopped up on drugs and booze going to another stadium and yelling incoherently
@@wintertrooper7918 it kinda hit hard the morals as fans said they gave us the tickets for free
Lex Luger was in WCW first and made a pretty big name for himself before he went to the WWF I wouldn’t group him with Hall & Nash as somebody WCW stole whom both were virtually unknown in their initial WCW runs.
Title mentions WCW. Significant proportion of content is focused on stuff WWE did. Whatculture does it again.
Had to turn this off at the end. I love AEW, but the way you guys give blatant AEW handy Js...it's getting to be a little much.
Ah, a nice list of things people mostly already knew.
Hart's contract wasn't expiring. It was too rich for Vince's blood at the time.
No, his contract was expiring and the new one was too much for vince. Bret and Vince agree on that
@@TinkSalsa I stand corrected.
I was wondering if y'all would do a expansion of this Series? I would love to see if Impact has anything they want you to forget about
It wouldn't get the views hating on WWE does
@@franklingoodwin true but i would be interesting to see if there is anything Impact, ROH wants you to forget like for example, A.J. Styles and Claire Lynch.......whoops
@@SheriffOutlaw the problem with that is finding the things impact wants you to forget (especially during the tna era), as it isn't as easy to find.
@@TinkSalsa very true. Different but not impossible
This is actually but one installment in a previously established series. It's one of my favorites!
I was around watching both WCW and WWF in the 90s and I can confidently say other companies may have done things first but WWF did it better.
Spoken like a true WWE sheep. Plenty companies did it better then WWE including WCW. I can say that since I've watching various wrestling promotions since 1980.
Go back to your place kissing Mcmahons aas, noob.
@@titanhades4331 …..he ain’t lying if they did it better….then why is it wwe that is ruling the wrestling world
2:49 Simon would be proud...
Number 10 was funny as hell, WCW regrets not opening the door, #8 stealing talent is a lie, the talent chose where they wanted to go and the wrestlers chose to sign in a company they like. WCW's spirit does not lie in AEW, this is a promotion for AEW more trashing on WWE, great going in lying and promoting.
I don't think Stone Cold counts as stealing. Bischoff fired him because he didn't think he was marketable (lol) and that he was difficult to work with. Not saying WWF didn't steal but that doesn't really count.
After watching this, I am curious of who stole the addiction on air storyline, WWE with Hawk or WCW with Scott Hall?
Also the Invasion 100% failed because they only had b level wcw guys. Invasion ppv was purchased but after that there wasn't anything worth watching. Horrible take
Look at all the new frames and art styles. I'm digging it.
1:32
I never get sick of seeing that clip 🤣 🤣 🤣
84 weeks ? You sure about that. Do you purposely leave a mistake in every video nowadays or do you just not read your script before filming ?
Booker and DDP were top guys. They act like the invasion was headed by Hugh Morrus or something.
Great video
As someone who grew up during the Invasion and loved it,I am happy to hear someone defending The Invasion.
Bro that wcw invasion episode was epic you had to be there guess you weren't
Yeah, Flair came in literally the night after they killed the Invasion. Also the nWo was only months away from coming in when they pulled the plug.
The biggest problem was that the very very beginning of the invasion when they put 2 WCW legends against each other and the fans just didn't care
@@wintertrooper7918 I won’t call buff bagwell a wcw legend
@@painvillegaming4119 I mean for wcw, legend is a fairy low bar especially considering how by the end their top guys were mostly former wwe
@@wintertrooper7918 pretty much is ric Vader and sting hogan and Goldberg DDP booker T>Kevin Nash and the Steiner >>>everybody else
McMemphis preceded Bischoff by four years.
Yeah AEW is all the best parts of wcw without someone having the ego and power of hogan it feels great to have wrestling on tnt again
i love so much the way that Andy Murray narrates the videos. You just know how to present a good content
I had left wrestling before the buyout, as I just got tired of WCW shenanigans, and my fav was Bret who was no longer with WWE. It took years for me to return
one of the biggest lies wwe tells to this day is that ' raw is the longest running weekly episodic television show in history. not really, Raw did not air on the night the first nitro did on September 4, 1995.
I damn near stopped watching wrestling all together after March 26, 2001, but kept watching because I wanted to see where things would go...
Ugh.....
4:00 have you forgotten about Vince in Memphis. He was testing the Mr McMahon character back in 93
Sure you’ve done one of these before 🤷♂️
They have
i grew up as wwe kid and i will stick with that.. dont just put the videos like some kind of agenda showing wcw did all great stuffs.. only those wrestlers like benoit, eddie, chris jericho big show all moved to wwe because they dont like the directions wcw going.. and burying young talents for the sake of nwo and hulk hogan contract to refuse to lose any matches as he can refuse any bookings .. u guys won cause of nwo and buried of the same over utilisation of nwo only..
Didn't Herb Abrams of UWF do the heel authority figure before Eric Bischoff though?
That #1 spot got me a little misty eyed.
So many of these entries are wrong, 83 weeks not 84, Bischoff being the first heel gm, home grown stars (WCW had three who were real world champs, Steiner and Booker only existed when they were dying. Goldberg was a complete fluke and Sting was champ before the war began) wwe were far greater at making new stars than WCW who failed to push so many talents they could have had etc, etc
Well this started of direct then took a sharp turn at 'only 3 home grown stars.'
valid points
Please do more videos of WCW.
WWE brought in the Light Heavyweight Championship to compete with WCW’s popular cruiserweight division (and fail miserably at it)
I agree that AEW on Turner is like rejuvenation of the original WCW and the WCW that went head to head with WWF back in the days. It's a refreshing moment for American wrestling fans or sports entertainment fans for competition to be back alive here in the states. Don't believe just ask the marks who are going to comment after my comment
Everytime I hear the DX tank bullshit I laugh... 1 it was a jeep 2 it did nothing 3 I just heard u bring it up and say the exact same thing haha
Number 10. That tanks wasn't a tank.
Nawww really!?!?
Is it even legal to own a tank…where would they even buy the bloody thing
now with poaching hulk hogan from awa, you have to consider that he was in wwf from '79-'81. the hulkster got sacked by vince sr because of his cameo in rocky 3. flash forward to '83, vince jr takes the reigns, hogan's rehired & becomes the biggest name in wrestling history.
Can it be considered stealing if WWF did everything better?
Saying Vince stole talent is weird. Those guys were ignored and had terrible characters. WWE built them from scratch
Just like aew doing now
@@erp2000 The difference is that Vince never signed established stars. AEW only sign established stars
1:35 ah yes the time we almost lost Simon
Vince was a heel in 1993 when he led an invasion in to the USWA in a feud with Jerry Lawler. And if you watch his promos from then it’s the Mr. McMahon character without a doubt. So not sure I’d say he copied Easy E.
the funny part is that proves that 'Mr. McMahon' was less of a character and more of how he really was :P
We keep forgetting the higher ups didn't want wrestling on TNT and tbs
For real NWO vs NWO was probably my favorite era in wrestling 3 giants taking over and sting fighting them off alone then he got his own crew to fight them off when they got stronger in numbers, it was a classic war in wrestling, and then they had the first creative game that everyone else that followed copied
Sorry, Andy, I'm going to tell you how RIGHT you are with the #1 Spot! Never thought of this before, but the Buy Out had the same effect on true WCW fans as Black Saturday. Hell, we were already teetering just dealing with Russo!
Eric Bischoff has stated he wished he had let DX in the building.
Scott hall and Kevin nash would then proceed to join dx on there ride since they can do what they want since creative contrôle
And then Haku would murder them
Goldberg was over hyped, he had less than a handful of moves that he'd spam.
Hope Barry Darsow gets two cheques for this video...
I went to wcw nitro bar and grill in Las Vegas was epic
AEW knows how to treat the legends and do a good job with the young up an coming talent.
I 100% tuned out of wrestling when WWF bought WCW. Didn't even think about wrestling again until I heard that Sting had gone to WWE. I tuned back in out of curiosity only to get my heart broken again by WWE. Now I watch AEW religiously!
Tell me you're a mark without telling me you're a mark 😆
Was it 83 weeks or 84 weeks that Nitro beat Raw in a row. I see the different numbers all the time. While we're at it because I can almost never find it, (I AM a bit lazy, from time to time) was it 121 or 122 weeks in a row the Raw beat Nitro in the end?
Given that Eric Bischoff UA-cam channel is called 83 weeks, one can assume that’s the answer you are looking for 👊
When dx invaded it was in my area
Sure Vince and the WWF did recruit talent, as did WCW, but did either one really steal talent? Did either company get talent that was still contracted to the other? No one forgets about the wrestlers who were in WCW first.
DX invading WCW was legendary , gtfo
Seriously they completely missed what it did and accomplished.
I rarely ever hear wwe claim wcw stole something from them