There is no way the corporations buying clothes from Bangladeshi RMG factories didn't know about the issues about poor safety & working conditions. They didn't care until Rana Plaza collapse & the Tazreen Fashion factory fire (the 2012 fire in an RMG factory in Ashulia mentioned in this video) caused outrage around the world & caused increased scrutiny of the industry.
I think the real takeaway is the enforcement of building codes is insanely loose in Bangladesh. You can't even build a shed in California without a permit or a fine. This dude had an entire 9 story building with zero permits and he was still adding onto it. That's some serious government negligence
Bangladesh sadly comes in near the top of corruption indexes by country. Not saying that this was just fine and dandy and it was all their fault (it wasn’t THEIR clothes they were sewing!), but it won’t get better in any country without tackling corruption issues. As someone who actually does work in the fashion industry, for a large company it’s nearly impossible to trace exactly where everything is sourced from and who does what, because there’s so many links in the supply chain and it’s impossible for all of them to be inspected thoroughly. (Even the source of the fiber to MAKE the fabric that will be turned into clothes!)
@@SoundShinobiYuki that's a bold faced lie. Plenty of brands are capable of tracking the entire supply chain for their supplies and get certified as B Corp companies. It's just that many brands, especially the large ones, don't want to spend the money to do so.
Love the work that you and the team put in to all of your shows, Simon, but please tell the editor that the music is unbearably loud. Can’t get through this one.
I also felt that the music was too loud and distracting. Usually these videos are pretty relaxing and informative to listen to but the music in this one made it feel like an infomercial
I'm from Bangladesh and was glued to the TV when this unfolded. I remember footage of people with torn limbs being dragged out of the rubble. There were hands and feet of dead people, covered in dust, poking out of the debris and the bodies were lined up in the hallway of a nearby school.
Agreed. It should be tuned down and some of the songs are not even suitable for such a topic, they sound like they're from infomercials or corporate training videos.
Was just about to comment this. Why would anyone think higher pitch music would fit a video about disaster? Emphasize the general sense of depravity, don't play the exact opposite. I feel like I'm playing a video game.
Bangladesh is likely gonna have a Bangladeshi Progressive Movement soon. Which is a good thing as you need a Progressive Movement to help curb the worst excesses of industrialized capitalism.
I didn't notice the music until I started reading the comments halfway through the video 🤷🏼♂️ Crazy amounts of corruption and mismanagement on this building, wild 😳
Orrrr the editor did a horrible choice with music AND AUDIO levels. Action, suspense, high sound is NOT what this serious topic needs. This isnt oh well I turned up sound to mimic the factory. Get out of here with that crap.
To those who want to learn more about the fast fashion industry and this disaster check out the documentary "The True Cost." Very good documentary, very eye opening
Id love to watch it to educate myself but there is no room in my brain for something new to be sad and pessimistic about. Ill pop it on the waiting list.
@@DenethordeSade.90I hear you. I try to just take note tangentially, "This situation is a bad one," find something within MY ability to do (shop at thrift stores first, and in my case since I sew, practice ways to alter thrift store clothing into what I need), and mentally move on. Last couple years, I have focused mainly on, "Okay, what can I PERSONALLY do?" And mentally drop the rest. There is so much bad in the world, it's exhausting. Just brighten your own corner.
Guys, do you even read the comments? People have been telling you how annoying this music issue is for months and you still persist. Why do you willingly annoy your viewers? The music is WAY too loud, and it is the same in too many other videos on this channel than I care to count. The videos are great, but the music swiftly ruins them. READ YOUR COMMENTS AND LISTEN TO THE FEEDBACK PEOPLE ARE GIVING YOU.
Seriously, your other channels don’t have this issue with either your voice audio being way too low or the background music being way too loud or sometimes both so damn frequently. As others have also pointed out, the choice of bgm is also *extremely* tasteless and borderline offensive with the action movie-like mood and even *cheerful* sections while describing avoidable mass tragedy. Out of all the channels to have this problem, this is arguably one of if not *the* worst ones for it.
And ten years later, nothing has changed and the big chains still buy from sweatshops, while the customers shrug and act as if they didn't know what they are supporting.
I wish I could afford to get clothing from other non-expotive brands but thats just how most of western clothing is, even the cheapest stuff is made in sweat shops. At least I dont get new stuff often, I keep my clothing around for ages. My jeans are stained from work but they keep going 10 years later.
Like the commenter above replied, oftentimes there is just no other viable economic choices. That's why the responsibility should not be pushed onto the consumer when it comes to exploitive labor, that should rest on the shoulders of the corporations that fuel modern indentured servitude.
It’s should be the corporations, govt bodies and manufacturers to ensure a safe environment. It’s impossible for the consumer to know the production environment of the goods we purchase, we look at price and quality.
Yup.....all those toys and goodies we take for granted and just toss away when tired off them are made by people slaving away in sweatshops, earning barely enough to survive on......but what the hell, as long as we get to live the good life right?
I like to point out the response was neither good nor exemplary, they turned down multiple assistance offers for equipment and manpower from organizations and countries which could have been used to actually move the rubble that trapped people, rather than cutting their limbs off. The response was also extremely uncoordinated, with civilians and workers alike basically just wandering through rubble trying to find survivors with no structure in place. Overall it was seen as a lackadaisical response that proffered saving "the countries image" over people's lives thru the willful neglect of useful aid and proper rescue techniques. Btw literally just learned this in college last week in my advanced public health class so just wanted to correct him there.
Kudos for reminding us about this tragedy. I believe we should constantly be reminded that it is our, the consumers' greed that leads to all this. Think twice before swiping your card tomorrow.
I remember news reports of this happening! There were subsequent reports that fire exits had been blocked and doors were locked to prevent workers from leaving qq I'm addition to the loud music mentioned to prevent workers from taking to one another. Horrible and preventable tragedy!
For people who are having a hard time focusing on what Simon is saying over the music, consider turning off the "stable volume" option of this particular video. Doesn't get rid of the issue entirely, but it helps. Let's hope Simon takes the feedback and adjusts the music in later videos.
I remember the old commercials from the American Garment Workers Union "to look for the union label" ... sadly, union produced clothing is frequently beyond my ability to afford and I'm still wearing clothing scavenged from a storage shed clean out two decades ago. So I'm stuck. T-shirts and pants on after season sale even at WalMart, or nothing. Yes, the industry has some intensely shady goings on that need to be stopped. Lives are more important than deadlines. But it is not just the clothing industry that treats people as expendable and not just overseas. Sadly, human beings are going to have to strike a balance between reasonable and profit or things are just going to get worse and worse and worse.
Probably a very interesting video about a terrible tragedy, but I couldnt get past the 6 minute mark because of the loud (and sometimes even too cheerful for the subject) music over it.
Bangladesh sadly comes in near the top of corruption indexes by country. Not saying that this was just fine and dandy and it was all their fault (it wasn’t THEIR clothes they were sewing!), but it won’t get better in any country without tackling corruption issues. As someone who actually does work in the fashion industry- I was in fact in fashion school and working part time in a clothing shop when this happened- for a large company it’s nearly impossible to trace exactly where everything is sourced from and who does what, because there’s so many links in the supply chain and so it’s impossible for all of them to be inspected thoroughly. Fast fashion is horrible and thrives on those gaps. (Even if your factory is strictly inspected to be of good quality and wages, and your retail employees aren’t treated like dirt… the source of the fiber to MAKE the fabric that will be turned into clothes can be surprisingly horrible!)
Genuine question, does fibre for "fast fashion" come from different sources than that used in more expensive garments? I know very little about the workings of the fashion industry.
@@lesleycouch6557 Depends on the fibre. Polyester and rayon are basically the same source since they’re entirely manmade (just not likely to be using the bottom tier stuff that rips and tears in barely a month). Natural fibres like cotton and wool and linen, once harvested they’re then graded for their suitable purpose (wool, for example, will have several grades of fibre on the same fleece depending on where it was on the sheep. Some will go to fine-quality garments, some to chunkier knitting yarns, some to carpets, some fit only for industrial purposes like insulation) the higher quality stuff usually goes to the higher end clothes and fabrics. Silk, you’ll never even find fast fashion made of it. THAT SAID, just because a brand is expensive doesn’t actually make it quality. Home sewing has also suffered the last few decades, all the middle-range quality fabrics have nearly vanished leaving either ultra-luxe handwoven Italian cashmere wool for $60 a yard at specialty fabric shops, or bottom of the barrel cheap poly blend for $5 at the chains and nothing in between.
Thanks to all the commenters mentioning the MUSIC. Simon talks very fast, he takes brain power to keep up with, and I hadn't realized why I subtly felt like this was even more hectic and busy than usual. Yes, ditch the music, PLEASE.
For the 1st time I put a 👎because of the BACKGROUND MUSIC being so loud that I barely heard Simon talked. So I stopped. Can your editor do a better job than that ? It is supposed to be a background not a nuisance to the viewers 😤😡
its scary that stuff like this can happen, even without an earth quake, bad building practice has plagued many contries for ages, not just poor countries but even the western world when corruption invades the building, or a bulidng gets changed beyond what was meant for the original plan.
It’s amazing the emergency service response was so quick and comprehensive…It sucks those same services don’t have the pull in the government(or over corruption) to have some building safety guidelines that could prevent tragedies like these😔
I remember hearing about this on the news when this happened. I was 13 years old at the time back in 2013 and it was tragic. RIP 2 the people who were killed
And just over 100 years prior the Triangle Shirtwaste Factory in New York burned down. Lesson learned: "move it to where we don't have to see it" (and had it not been for the internet, that would have worked too).
Sounds like paradise. No big government safety regulations, no OSHA. If only we had that blissful freedom in the US! (For the sarcastically challenged, that was sarcasm.)
Except the government didn’t do their jobs and was corrupt, taking bribes… like most states in the world Yet for some reason a bigger government somehow would’ve prevented it Edit: or even the idea that a big government would have any accountability or responsibility 😂
Inspiring rescue and kend helpers storues are great to hear during thos horror. But its so devastating how little the people in every level of the business plus the building managers/creators cared for the workers here. All who make and buy the clothes bear some responsibility.
Profit margins. Fuck them. They’d still be profiting, but if it’s not up to a goddamned margin, they’d rather lose it all. I do wish more people around the world would start making due with fewer pieces of clothing, and taking care of what they have. That makes it easier to spend more per piece from companies that don’t treat workers like rubble, and would lessen the adverse environmental impact.
I remember when this happened, it was disheartening and revealed a lot of problems in various industrial districts. I remember there being a large fire in a congested area sometime after Rana Plaza.
I binged a lot of these videos lately, they provide great information told in a great way. However, some of the editing choices are distracting, like the loud music on this video, or the weird cuts to old style tv segments with poor old style audio. You should probably just tell the info with the least extra sound possible.
If history ever taught something about humanity, is that "another catastrophe" is aways needed for people to take care of each other and solve critical problems.
Having done research into in-field amputation for my own studies the fact a medical student performed an emergency amputation really puts how horrific this situation is into context for me. Emergency amputations are an absolute last resort of which there are only 4 unanimously agreed reasons to perform one and even my state's ambulance guidelines stipulate that exhaustive reviews with multi-disciplinary teams has to occur to rule out every single alternative before amputation can occur. additionally, the fact compensation was a whole $9400 (that people didn't even receive) is pathetic (dispicable if im honest) sure that's more than the average person's income but it's pathetic. people died, lost limbs, suffered mental and physical injuries that you don't just recover from in 5 seconds. i know from personal experience the cost assosiated with the loss of a limb in less traumatic experience in a country with adequate medical & rehabilitation services & subsidies for prosthetics and mental health services and the cost is well over $9400 for prosthetics alone.
It's crazy to think this happened in 2013 because in America the last time something like this happened was in 1911 except instead of collapsing it caught fire. maybe it wasn't the last time America had something like that it's the only garment factory fire that happened the US that Simon Whistler covered on one of his channels
I love how the World Bank painted such a rosy picture of the aftermath: Wages were increased, working conditions improved etc. Also, pigs fly. Also-also, the World Bank is a trustworthy organization that deeply cares about people who make less than a billion a year.
Jesus Christ, yet *another* video where the background music is WAY too loud? Honestly, does your ItS editor even *listen* to the final mixes before submitting videos to you? Do *you?*
Sadly many rules and regulations are written in blood. Change, often isn't made until after a tragedy or near tragedy. But this is why the people need to stick together in these situations. Every worker should have refused to enter the building that morning and every other until the issue was fixed. There would be no need to worry about being replaced by a different worker because the entire working population would be in unison. The people have forgotten the power they hold when they are as one. In reality, without the people, there is no society.
imma have to wait for a less loud version or just skip this one :') it'd be important to double check to make sure the videos can be watched by people with sensory disorders, thank you!!
building standards are such a crucial thing. wonder how he got away with this for so long. you'd expect the citiy to atleast take action when someone just starts building smth without the city's approval.
Shocking Shocking Shocking!! FAIL BY THEIR COMPANIES, GOVERNMENT ...seems more and more reports and little action for the sufferers of the incident. and no real positive impact on those working in the clothing industry 😔
I've been looking into the issues with fast fashion for awhile now. It's part of what got me interested in foraging weaving material from the wild and buying local wool to turn into yarn and trying to weave it. There are some scattered efforts to bring back hand made, custom textiles. But its extremely hard to break the cycle even in the USA . Most people just don't have the time to make clothing unless its for a special occasion. Meanwhile goodwill has begun sending Ghana their fast fashion leftovers in such numbers that they had to burn all the trash in an entire dump and then some clothing thrown overboard at sea turned into massive kelp like ropes of clothing that kept tangling and drowning birds and other sea life like seals. When I was young, my father taught me to choose my principles in life and stick to them. In this case making the world a better place by inquiring about its problems rather than judging them or giving orders. You aren't going to have this problem if people put substance over style!
In the face of poverty and general disparity, human life and safety ceases to be a priority. Sadly, this is outsourced exploitation reminiscent of similar century old disasters in the west.
The multi-national nature of many industries is the reason the working conditions remain exceedingly poor... Effectively, multi-national companies are a cancer on the world's economics because there is always the next poor 3rd/4th world country waiting to be exploited. Think back over the past decades as dast-fashion took hold: made in Korea, made in Malaysia, made in Vietnam, made in Shri Lanka.... Bangladesh. Each time profits lessened the companies just picked up sticks and moved.
The monatary award to the deceased families was a slap in the face. They should have taken the average life expectancy minus the age of the deceased then multiply that by the average yearly income and also factor in the total dependants. Example: Life expectancy 60 years minus 20 years old at death equals 40 years times $3500.00 average yearly income equals $140,000. To factor in dependants use average family size. Lets say average family is 2 grandparents, mom & dad, 4 children giving us a factor of 8. We'll use 100 as a whole so 100 decided by 8 equals 12.5. With this perfectly average family mom died so we have 12.5 times 7 surviving dependants equals 87.5. Take this 87.5 and convert it to a dependent factor .875 times $140,000 equals 122,500 add this to the 140,000 and i feel this is a more fare and just compensation. $262,500. Compensate the deceased family and let future businesses know there is a price to pay for corruption and blackmail.
Man this is hard. I remember when it happened. WHY always garment workers? Other businesses cleared out. Only the garment workers were told to stay, always we're treated like shizz. I remember watching a documentary about sweat shops in India, and thought, "Gee that's not so bad, it's like any sewing factory here in the US..." And then I thought, wait, that's bad. This is bad to treat us that way. We make the things you need, you have to have clothes and uniforms, and belts, and working gear to hold your stuff. Always we're at the bottom of consideration. Bless these people, they blessed everyone else, they need some consideration, too.
I worked in Fast Fashion and the worst that it's all not even needed. Nearly all price of fashion industry is businessmen in all links of chain taking big risks. You could easily pay Silicon Valley tech salaries to workers and it won't be a big problem.
This is why I don't support fast fashion. I either buy secondhand, or from certified B Corp companies, or I go without. New stuff isn't worth someone else's life and well-being.
Capitalism doing what capitalism does best... profit no matter what. It took me several attempts over a week to get through this one... finally I found that putting my headphones on my temples rather than directly on my ears allowed me to hear Simon's voice rather than the music.
The testimonies from the survivors made me cry. The stark reality of the death, trauma and suffering caused is heartbreaking and all because we want cheap nice clothes. People, please please please stop buying fast fashion.
There is no way the corporations buying clothes from Bangladeshi RMG factories didn't know about the issues about poor safety & working conditions. They didn't care until Rana Plaza collapse & the Tazreen Fashion factory fire (the 2012 fire in an RMG factory in Ashulia mentioned in this video) caused outrage around the world & caused increased scrutiny of the industry.
Sir Philip Green of Top Shop made billions, principally by squeezing prices further from south Asian sweat shops.
I think the real takeaway is the enforcement of building codes is insanely loose in Bangladesh. You can't even build a shed in California without a permit or a fine. This dude had an entire 9 story building with zero permits and he was still adding onto it. That's some serious government negligence
Bangladesh sadly comes in near the top of corruption indexes by country. Not saying that this was just fine and dandy and it was all their fault (it wasn’t THEIR clothes they were sewing!), but it won’t get better in any country without tackling corruption issues. As someone who actually does work in the fashion industry, for a large company it’s nearly impossible to trace exactly where everything is sourced from and who does what, because there’s so many links in the supply chain and it’s impossible for all of them to be inspected thoroughly. (Even the source of the fiber to MAKE the fabric that will be turned into clothes!)
No mate. It's your cheap garments come at huge price to someone else. Which is true of a lot.
@@shakiMiki yep 10cents a shirt 35$ or more at the store. No room in the budget for safety
They required permits and inspections, but he bribed people, the more obvious takeaway is on corruption and capitalism
@@SoundShinobiYuki that's a bold faced lie. Plenty of brands are capable of tracking the entire supply chain for their supplies and get certified as B Corp companies. It's just that many brands, especially the large ones, don't want to spend the money to do so.
Love the work that you and the team put in to all of your shows, Simon, but please tell the editor that the music is unbearably loud. Can’t get through this one.
Yes, the sound mixing is off. I can barely hear Simon.
I didn't want to complain, because the content is informative, but yes, the music was too loud.
The music is fine.
I also felt that the music was too loud and distracting. Usually these videos are pretty relaxing and informative to listen to but the music in this one made it feel like an infomercial
At least Simon didn't yell the first word of the video
I'm from Bangladesh and was glued to the TV when this unfolded. I remember footage of people with torn limbs being dragged out of the rubble. There were hands and feet of dead people, covered in dust, poking out of the debris and the bodies were lined up in the hallway of a nearby school.
The picture used throughout when discussing Rana was epically sleazy. Kudos to the editor on that one!
Great video, however, the music is so annoying. Get rid of it or at least tune it down a few notches.
Agreed. It should be tuned down and some of the songs are not even suitable for such a topic, they sound like they're from infomercials or corporate training videos.
Hard agree- I had to switch this one off because the high pitched music was giving me a headache
Yes, it was very distracting! I made it 9 minutes into the video but had to stop it because of the noise.
Was just about to comment this. Why would anyone think higher pitch music would fit a video about disaster? Emphasize the general sense of depravity, don't play the exact opposite. I feel like I'm playing a video game.
It's just the same repeatative tone. It's so anxiety inducing. Please never again.
I'm here to hear Simon
Yup... it's Triangle Shirtwaist but for the 21st century. I sure hope no one is surprised.
Bangladesh is likely gonna have a Bangladeshi Progressive Movement soon.
Which is a good thing as you need a Progressive Movement to help curb the worst excesses of industrialized capitalism.
From Bangladesh here. This was a real tragedy. It was horrible.
Canadian Here, I see how bad that was and I was so sad about that stuff, I wish it never happened.
Yeah, it shook the entire country. Now every person living in Bangladesh knows about the tragedy of Rana Plaza. @@nekomasteryoutube3232
I'm sorry man, this shouldn't happen to workers in any country. I hope things have improved over there since :(
Brazilian here, do you think politicians pocketed some of the money? Given that the survivors didn't even get their fair share of the compensation
@@irispaiva yeah definitely.
This is hard to watch bc of the background music, it's like informercial, not "deadly shocking inhumane horror."
Yeah it sounds like an infomercial or a corporate training video!
That’s a you thing
Maybe lower the audio a tad. Particularly if you're going to insist on shoehorning in decidedly dynamic, borderline-cinematic soundtracks.
I didn't notice the music until I started reading the comments halfway through the video 🤷🏼♂️
Crazy amounts of corruption and mismanagement on this building, wild 😳
It's quite touching how so many people helped, this world really does have some lovely people living on it 🙏🏻🙏🏻🤗
music too loud. Its hard to hear what you are saying
Just like in the factory
Orrrr the editor did a horrible choice with music AND AUDIO levels. Action, suspense, high sound is NOT what this serious topic needs. This isnt oh well I turned up sound to mimic the factory. Get out of here with that crap.
To those who want to learn more about the fast fashion industry and this disaster check out the documentary "The True Cost."
Very good documentary, very eye opening
Id love to watch it to educate myself but there is no room in my brain for something new to be sad and pessimistic about. Ill pop it on the waiting list.
@@DenethordeSade.90 *nods* Fair
Very eye opening indeed. Sad we live in a world where this still happens.
@@charlottehardy822 Aye 😔
@@DenethordeSade.90I hear you. I try to just take note tangentially, "This situation is a bad one," find something within MY ability to do (shop at thrift stores first, and in my case since I sew, practice ways to alter thrift store clothing into what I need), and mentally move on. Last couple years, I have focused mainly on, "Okay, what can I PERSONALLY do?" And mentally drop the rest. There is so much bad in the world, it's exhausting. Just brighten your own corner.
Guys, do you even read the comments? People have been telling you how annoying this music issue is for months and you still persist. Why do you willingly annoy your viewers? The music is WAY too loud, and it is the same in too many other videos on this channel than I care to count. The videos are great, but the music swiftly ruins them. READ YOUR COMMENTS AND LISTEN TO THE FEEDBACK PEOPLE ARE GIVING YOU.
Stop the background music. If you are speaking there is no need for ambient music to be included. It's irritating.
At least turn it down another 10 db and maybe no arpeggios. Irritating, as you said.
The music at 11:30 is completely inappropriate for the topic discussed too.
@@neoxyte100% agree
Seriously, your other channels don’t have this issue with either your voice audio being way too low or the background music being way too loud or sometimes both so damn frequently. As others have also pointed out, the choice of bgm is also *extremely* tasteless and borderline offensive with the action movie-like mood and even *cheerful* sections while describing avoidable mass tragedy. Out of all the channels to have this problem, this is arguably one of if not *the* worst ones for it.
Hard agree with everything here.
The music was pretty distracting
He just needs to turn it down a few notches
@@SRW_yeah, it also just feels inappropriate considering the subject
The music is so obnoxious. Simon please it’s ruining the videos.
And ten years later, nothing has changed and the big chains still buy from sweatshops, while the customers shrug and act as if they didn't know what they are supporting.
I wish I could afford to get clothing from other non-expotive brands but thats just how most of western clothing is, even the cheapest stuff is made in sweat shops.
At least I dont get new stuff often, I keep my clothing around for ages. My jeans are stained from work but they keep going 10 years later.
Like the commenter above replied, oftentimes there is just no other viable economic choices. That's why the responsibility should not be pushed onto the consumer when it comes to exploitive labor, that should rest on the shoulders of the corporations that fuel modern indentured servitude.
It’s should be the corporations, govt bodies and manufacturers to ensure a safe environment.
It’s impossible for the consumer to know the production environment of the goods we purchase, we look at price and quality.
Yup.....all those toys and goodies we take for granted and just toss away when tired off them are made by people slaving away in sweatshops, earning barely enough to survive on......but what the hell, as long as we get to live the good life right?
@@zurielsss and a living wage........
Background music too loud.
I thought so too, it’s distracting
I like to point out the response was neither good nor exemplary, they turned down multiple assistance offers for equipment and manpower from organizations and countries which could have been used to actually move the rubble that trapped people, rather than cutting their limbs off. The response was also extremely uncoordinated, with civilians and workers alike basically just wandering through rubble trying to find survivors with no structure in place. Overall it was seen as a lackadaisical response that proffered saving "the countries image" over people's lives thru the willful neglect of useful aid and proper rescue techniques. Btw literally just learned this in college last week in my advanced public health class so just wanted to correct him there.
Makes sense they would care more about their image than actually saving lives over there.
While I understand that this is an entertainment channel, I'm glad to see you highlight this serious issue.
I wouldn't call "Into the Shadows" exactly an entertainment channel
Kudos for reminding us about this tragedy. I believe we should constantly be reminded that it is our, the consumers' greed that leads to all this. Think twice before swiping your card tomorrow.
I remember news reports of this happening! There were subsequent reports that fire exits had been blocked and doors were locked to prevent workers from leaving qq I'm addition to the loud music mentioned to prevent workers from taking to one another. Horrible and preventable tragedy!
Couldent watch this one, the background music was way too loud
Same
Greed and lack of government regulations and inspection caused this. People who find government regulation too bothersome end up killing workers.
For people who are having a hard time focusing on what Simon is saying over the music, consider turning off the "stable volume" option of this particular video. Doesn't get rid of the issue entirely, but it helps. Let's hope Simon takes the feedback and adjusts the music in later videos.
Thanks that actually helped a bit
Thanks, that did help
I remember the old commercials from the American Garment Workers Union "to look for the union label" ... sadly, union produced clothing is frequently beyond my ability to afford and I'm still wearing clothing scavenged from a storage shed clean out two decades ago. So I'm stuck. T-shirts and pants on after season sale even at WalMart, or nothing. Yes, the industry has some intensely shady goings on that need to be stopped. Lives are more important than deadlines. But it is not just the clothing industry that treats people as expendable and not just overseas. Sadly, human beings are going to have to strike a balance between reasonable and profit or things are just going to get worse and worse and worse.
Probably a very interesting video about a terrible tragedy, but I couldnt get past the 6 minute mark because of the loud (and sometimes even too cheerful for the subject) music over it.
I lasted 3 min until that obnoxious music was the only thing i could hear.
Bangladesh sadly comes in near the top of corruption indexes by country. Not saying that this was just fine and dandy and it was all their fault (it wasn’t THEIR clothes they were sewing!), but it won’t get better in any country without tackling corruption issues.
As someone who actually does work in the fashion industry- I was in fact in fashion school and working part time in a clothing shop when this happened- for a large company it’s nearly impossible to trace exactly where everything is sourced from and who does what, because there’s so many links in the supply chain and so it’s impossible for all of them to be inspected thoroughly. Fast fashion is horrible and thrives on those gaps. (Even if your factory is strictly inspected to be of good quality and wages, and your retail employees aren’t treated like dirt… the source of the fiber to MAKE the fabric that will be turned into clothes can be surprisingly horrible!)
Genuine question, does fibre for "fast fashion" come from different sources than that used in more expensive garments? I know very little about the workings of the fashion industry.
@@lesleycouch6557 Depends on the fibre. Polyester and rayon are basically the same source since they’re entirely manmade (just not likely to be using the bottom tier stuff that rips and tears in barely a month).
Natural fibres like cotton and wool and linen, once harvested they’re then graded for their suitable purpose (wool, for example, will have several grades of fibre on the same fleece depending on where it was on the sheep. Some will go to fine-quality garments, some to chunkier knitting yarns, some to carpets, some fit only for industrial purposes like insulation) the higher quality stuff usually goes to the higher end clothes and fabrics. Silk, you’ll never even find fast fashion made of it.
THAT SAID, just because a brand is expensive doesn’t actually make it quality.
Home sewing has also suffered the last few decades, all the middle-range quality fabrics have nearly vanished leaving either ultra-luxe handwoven Italian cashmere wool for $60 a yard at specialty fabric shops, or bottom of the barrel cheap poly blend for $5 at the chains and nothing in between.
@@SoundShinobiYuki Thank you, that's interesting. A more complex issue than I thought.
Rest in peace to those that passed away.
Thanks to all the commenters mentioning the MUSIC.
Simon talks very fast, he takes brain power to keep up with, and I hadn't realized why I subtly felt like this was even more hectic and busy than usual. Yes, ditch the music, PLEASE.
For the 1st time I put a 👎because of the BACKGROUND MUSIC being so loud that I barely heard Simon talked. So I stopped.
Can your editor do a better job than that ? It is supposed to be a background not a nuisance to the viewers 😤😡
It’s not even that I can’t hear him. It’s that it’s so damned distracting.
@@thetowndrunk988And unsuitable for the subject matter.
its scary that stuff like this can happen, even without an earth quake, bad building practice has plagued many contries for ages, not just poor countries but even the western world when corruption invades the building, or a bulidng gets changed beyond what was meant for the original plan.
One example is the Elliot Lake, ontario shopping mall collapse, it was never meant to have a parking spot over its roof.
The real tragedy here is the background music
It’s amazing the emergency service response was so quick and comprehensive…It sucks those same services don’t have the pull in the government(or over corruption) to have some building safety guidelines that could prevent tragedies like these😔
Nlg thought I was in a brainblaze video with this background audio
I remember hearing about this on the news when this happened.
I was 13 years old at the time back in 2013 and it was tragic.
RIP 2 the people who were killed
The story: 🙁
The music: YEAH! YEAH! YEAH!
And just over 100 years prior the Triangle Shirtwaste Factory in New York burned down.
Lesson learned: "move it to where we don't have to see it" (and had it not been for the internet, that would have worked too).
Sounds like paradise. No big government safety regulations, no OSHA. If only we had that blissful freedom in the US! (For the sarcastically challenged, that was sarcasm.)
Except the government didn’t do their jobs and was corrupt, taking bribes… like most states in the world
Yet for some reason a bigger government somehow would’ve prevented it
Edit: or even the idea that a big government would have any accountability or responsibility 😂
Inspiring rescue and kend helpers storues are great to hear during thos horror. But its so devastating how little the people in every level of the business plus the building managers/creators cared for the workers here. All who make and buy the clothes bear some responsibility.
"No one should die for fashion"
(From a protester's poster)
Great work, once again, Simon and Team!
This is incredibly sad. Good job. 🙂
Profit margins. Fuck them. They’d still be profiting, but if it’s not up to a goddamned margin, they’d rather lose it all.
I do wish more people around the world would start making due with fewer pieces of clothing, and taking care of what they have. That makes it easier to spend more per piece from companies that don’t treat workers like rubble, and would lessen the adverse environmental impact.
I remember when this happened, it was disheartening and revealed a lot of problems in various industrial districts. I remember there being a large fire in a congested area sometime after Rana Plaza.
I binged a lot of these videos lately, they provide great information told in a great way. However, some of the editing choices are distracting, like the loud music on this video, or the weird cuts to old style tv segments with poor old style audio. You should probably just tell the info with the least extra sound possible.
If history ever taught something about humanity, is that "another catastrophe" is aways needed for people to take care of each other and solve critical problems.
You should look into Pennhurst Asylum in Pennsylvania.
Yes! I’ve been there it’s so creepy
I remember vividly the photos from this collapse. So many workers dead and embracing each other. Just heart breaking.
Having done research into in-field amputation for my own studies the fact a medical student performed an emergency amputation really puts how horrific this situation is into context for me. Emergency amputations are an absolute last resort of which there are only 4 unanimously agreed reasons to perform one and even my state's ambulance guidelines stipulate that exhaustive reviews with multi-disciplinary teams has to occur to rule out every single alternative before amputation can occur.
additionally, the fact compensation was a whole $9400 (that people didn't even receive) is pathetic (dispicable if im honest) sure that's more than the average person's income but it's pathetic. people died, lost limbs, suffered mental and physical injuries that you don't just recover from in 5 seconds. i know from personal experience the cost assosiated with the loss of a limb in less traumatic experience in a country with adequate medical & rehabilitation services & subsidies for prosthetics and mental health services and the cost is well over $9400 for prosthetics alone.
The classic recipe: crony capitalism + profits at all cost + corruption. Same story, just different number of victims.
And it will never change.
Important video, thank you (& you obviously fixed the music, because I note that it is at a respectfully discreet level)
what is it with the ridicules backing music cant hear a word your saying unwatchable
It's crazy to think this happened in 2013 because in America the last time something like this happened was in 1911 except instead of collapsing it caught fire. maybe it wasn't the last time America had something like that it's the only garment factory fire that happened the US that Simon Whistler covered on one of his channels
You should check this out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_chicken_processing_plant_fire
I love how the World Bank painted such a rosy picture of the aftermath: Wages were increased, working conditions improved etc. Also, pigs fly. Also-also, the World Bank is a trustworthy organization that deeply cares about people who make less than a billion a year.
Can you please just leave the music out?
One can’t listen to you talking with that stressful background noise!
Simon could you consider doing the 1982 Los Angeles fetus scandal? I only just heard about it and it seems like a great fit for this channel
Keep up the good work 😊
Unfortunately, the way of the world is "profits first, safety second" and that will NEVER change
Jesus Christ, yet *another* video where the background music is WAY too loud? Honestly, does your ItS editor even *listen* to the final mixes before submitting videos to you? Do *you?*
It's not just the volume. The music is completely inappropriate. For instance, go to 17:42.
Sadly many rules and regulations are written in blood. Change, often isn't made until after a tragedy or near tragedy. But this is why the people need to stick together in these situations. Every worker should have refused to enter the building that morning and every other until the issue was fixed. There would be no need to worry about being replaced by a different worker because the entire working population would be in unison.
The people have forgotten the power they hold when they are as one. In reality, without the people, there is no society.
I don't blame the workers. I blame the greedy companies and, often careless, customers who buy goods made in sweatshops.
imma have to wait for a less loud version or just skip this one :')
it'd be important to double check to make sure the videos can be watched by people with sensory disorders, thank you!!
Good stuff Whistler..
This is why I choose to not wear clothes.
Edit: Also, bruh, your husband survives a tragedy and you divorce him? That's ice cold.
I read that more than 2 dozen victims families have not been compensated as they could not back up their claims with documentation.
building standards are such a crucial thing. wonder how he got away with this for so long. you'd expect the citiy to atleast take action when someone just starts building smth without the city's approval.
Didn’t even notice any background music till i read the comments half way though the video and then still didn’t notice the music
Same here
Shocking Shocking Shocking!! FAIL BY THEIR COMPANIES, GOVERNMENT
...seems more and more reports and little action for the sufferers of the incident.
and no real positive impact on those working in the clothing industry 😔
I think this happened before in America years ago the management even had locked the doors to the stairs "so employees didn't go smoke on the stairs"
Hamlet North Carolina, chicken processing plant fire with the fire exits locked. 1991.
I've been looking into the issues with fast fashion for awhile now. It's part of what got me interested in foraging weaving material from the wild and buying local wool to turn into yarn and trying to weave it. There are some scattered efforts to bring back hand made, custom textiles. But its extremely hard to break the cycle even in the USA . Most people just don't have the time to make clothing unless its for a special occasion. Meanwhile goodwill has begun sending Ghana their fast fashion leftovers in such numbers that they had to burn all the trash in an entire dump and then some clothing thrown overboard at sea turned into massive kelp like ropes of clothing that kept tangling and drowning birds and other sea life like seals. When I was young, my father taught me to choose my principles in life and stick to them. In this case making the world a better place by inquiring about its problems rather than judging them or giving orders. You aren't going to have this problem if people put substance over style!
In the face of poverty and general disparity, human life and safety ceases to be a priority. Sadly, this is outsourced exploitation reminiscent of similar century old disasters in the west.
Suggestion
D company and mumbai
There is also a really good netflix documentary
This sounds much like the triangle shirtwaist factory fire
The multi-national nature of many industries is the reason the working conditions remain exceedingly poor... Effectively, multi-national companies are a cancer on the world's economics because there is always the next poor 3rd/4th world country waiting to be exploited. Think back over the past decades as dast-fashion took hold: made in Korea, made in Malaysia, made in Vietnam, made in Shri Lanka.... Bangladesh. Each time profits lessened the companies just picked up sticks and moved.
I might be able to make it by then. I'm headed headed back to the cabin from town shortly.
Oh, it only gets worse.
If you're thinking of the factory fire, it was the year earlier.
The monatary award to the deceased families was a slap in the face. They should have taken the average life expectancy minus the age of the deceased then multiply that by the average yearly income and also factor in the total dependants. Example: Life expectancy 60 years minus 20 years old at death equals 40 years times $3500.00 average yearly income equals $140,000. To factor in dependants use average family size. Lets say average family is 2 grandparents, mom & dad, 4 children giving us a factor of 8. We'll use 100 as a whole so 100 decided by 8 equals 12.5. With this perfectly average family mom died so we have 12.5 times 7 surviving dependants equals 87.5. Take this 87.5 and convert it to a dependent factor .875 times $140,000 equals 122,500 add this to the 140,000 and i feel this is a more fare and just compensation. $262,500. Compensate the deceased family and let future businesses know there is a price to pay for corruption and blackmail.
This is the only way.
You can see the fast fashion mountain from space,
look it up
Any suspicions of safety in the east London garment industry, particularly in LBTH ward "Banglatown" ?
A modern repeat of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory disaster.
Unfortunately, the music makes the video difficult to comprehend. It is well produced, but the music is too loud to take it in properly.
Man this is hard. I remember when it happened. WHY always garment workers? Other businesses cleared out. Only the garment workers were told to stay, always we're treated like shizz. I remember watching a documentary about sweat shops in India, and thought, "Gee that's not so bad, it's like any sewing factory here in the US..." And then I thought, wait, that's bad. This is bad to treat us that way. We make the things you need, you have to have clothes and uniforms, and belts, and working gear to hold your stuff. Always we're at the bottom of consideration. Bless these people, they blessed everyone else, they need some consideration, too.
Politicians in the States that would love and push to have these safe guards removed. And it was that $10 shirt you bought they were there making
It always comes down to greed and corruption. And I bet that nothing has changed.
That's horrible all around
💯
Background music too loud. Reduce please.
I gave a presentation on this disaster for one of my fire safety classes
The real cost of cheap garments.
How about a video on the ammonium nitrate explosion in Lebanon
I worked in Fast Fashion and the worst that it's all not even needed. Nearly all price of fashion industry is businessmen in all links of chain taking big risks. You could easily pay Silicon Valley tech salaries to workers and it won't be a big problem.
This reminds me of the Sampoong department store collapse.
This is what happens when businesses are allowed to do whatever they want without regulation
Simon Do a video on the biggest government disasters / failures ..need.more video like this one
This is why I don't support fast fashion. I either buy secondhand, or from certified B Corp companies, or I go without. New stuff isn't worth someone else's life and well-being.
Capitalism doing what capitalism does best... profit no matter what.
It took me several attempts over a week to get through this one... finally I found that putting my headphones on my temples rather than directly on my ears allowed me to hear Simon's voice rather than the music.
The testimonies from the survivors made me cry. The stark reality of the death, trauma and suffering caused is heartbreaking and all because we want cheap nice clothes. People, please please please stop buying fast fashion.