You know, i'm pretty sure these kind of TVs really have a market. Since it is absolutely impossible to see companies (even chinese ones) producing brand new CRT TVs for retro gamers, it should be totally possible to create SD resolution TVs like this one, without scaling and line doubling and subsequent zero input latency. I can totally see a market there. And with modern LCDs this should be possible.
Personally, I use a older 1080p LCD. I've had a Trinitron CRT and although it's great for nostalgia, my eyes can't handle staring at them for prolonged use which really sucks but playing PAL games I can see the flicker on my unit which is the reason I sold it... I also find it easier upscaling older consoles instead of downgrading my PS3 and 360.
The problem is that LCDs need direct images to function, while CRTs only care that they get the RGB inputs for the electron guns as they sweep along the screen. Maybe an LCD that sweeps across the screen pixel by pixel, row by row, until it fills the field, before the blanking interval, then moving to the next one, and sweeping through that field before the blanking interval?
I own this tv with remote. I have held onto it for many years because it is very unique. LCD analog is super rare. I took it into a retro game store one time thinking they would appreciate it but they told me it was trash so I kept it. Glad to see someone else understands the usefulness. I doubt it will ever be worth more than thrift store prices though… even though useful, seems as the years go by all this old tech just is a novelty for cheap nerds like us.
"You just plug it in and it works" There's something you hardly ever hear anymore. I remember getting a Gateway Astro all in one when they first came out. The best thing about it was the recovery disc, which seems like I had to use once a week. Great video!👍🇺🇸
Those Gateway Astros are completely unobtainable at this point. I don't think they ever sold well. I can count on one hand the number of them I've seen turn up on eBay. An Astro and an early Profile are at the top of my list of most wanted Gateway machines.
This Gateway TV is not a gateway project, gateway only put its brand stamped on products that already existed (in the monitors and tvs sector), judging by the Main Menu, it is a rebranded LG Flatron
When I needed an LCD for this purpose I sought out an early DVD LCD combo TV. Those tended to be intended for children's rooms, and where therefore very defeatured. It was also the only LCD I could find at the time with the older aspect ratio screen, and analog tuner needed to run my Timex Sinclair and Atari 400, as bare metal.
I found an Emerson SD LCD display in the trash. They are great displays for analog sources without the inconvenience of CRTs' size and weight. I use that and a Commodore 1702 for my VCR, Laserdisc and retro games.
I lucked across my Daenyx DN-153 at a thrift store. Not the prettiest, but it does accept 14.5-16.5KHz h-sync signals over the VGA port, which makes CGA/TGA conversion simple and easy.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd welcome seeing a video on that Panasonic VCR. It seems pretty well-optioned considering that it has HDMI, a digital ATSC tuner, and an SD card reader. I'm still kicking myself after I got rid of a similar model a few years ago that had a digital ATSC/QAM tuner built in. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but a VCR with an analog-only tuner is really inconvenient considering that you have to use a DTV to analog converter and then make sure that the converter is tuned to the channel you want to record. It's also really nice to be able to use a coax splitter and run a dedicated TV cable to the VCR and your TV. Then you can watch whatever you want while the VCR can do its own thing recording something else. Even though mostly everyone has moved on to on-demand streaming and DVRs, the people that are selling those VCRs online must not have gotten the memo, because they all want crazy money. People selling that Panasonic VCR online are asking $180 to around $500--there's even a few listed for almost $1000. Go figure, I must've paid no more than $10 for the one that I eventually got rid of.
A lot of people think that the only method of transferring their old VHS tapes is to use a unit like that, hence the premium pices. It actually is a very method convenient. In the 1990s, after spending several hundreds of pounds trying to set up my computer for editing analog footage from a camcorder, I ended up just plugging it into my Panasonic DVD recorder.
Never knew they expanded into badge engineering. Would definitely be interested in finding out more about the VP mode on that Panasonic VCR. I’ve never heard of that
I used to have a samsung galaxy s5 and it had an IR blaster on it. I used that phone a LOT to turn off or change channels on public TVs. Kinda sad that more modern phones have dropped IR.
I remember looking for a modern phone that had the features I had in my previous phone, but with 5G - IR blaster, headphone jack, SD card slot. There was only one phone that matched these criteria, and I couldn't import it from China...
Wow that computer shot of the Gateway brings me right back. That beige block was my family’s first computer, and legitimately what I played my first PC games on back in 2002. I distinctly remember the first time I had to degauss the giant monitor for my parents.
I actually had a 13 inch stereo TV. It was made by KTV. It was your standard 13" CRT TV with a single speaker, but it had an ATSC digital tuner built in for over the air digital broadcast. I discovered that it was a stereo set when I plugged a pair of headphones into it. I'm not talking about both speakers playing without a mono to stereo adapter, but true 2 channel stereo audio. To verify this I tuned to a music channel and heard a song that starts in the left channel and pans to the right and it was faithfully reproduced. KTV even made cable ready black and white sets with 181 channel tuner.
To get correct color brightness with the C64 to s-video cable, you need to put a 330 ohm resistor in series with the chroma line. The commodore standard has a tendency to over saturate the chroma signal.
We used to have a similar LCD TV branded by Polaroid, it was good for playing GameCube games and DVDs. Gateway and Polaroid were licensing their brand in the 2000s, because they wanted to get into the growing LCD screen segment!
@@tkmedia3866 Polaroid was abandoning film cameras during that time and was pushing into digital imaging, but they faced too much competitors in the digital age, since the HDTVs were starting to get cheaper and even Sharp and Panasonic got out of the LCD TV business.
@CSSTP Media yeah, I know Polaroid was used for rebadging TVs from Sharp or LG for big box stores like Best Buy and ASDA Superstores. Sakar International had also rebranded budget CRT TVs like Vivtar and Memorex in the 2000s.
There is a Gateway TV remote on Ebay now for the L30M103. My experience with other TV brands and models is that the same protocol is used over other models in the same range and over many years even. There might be a free spot on the PCB inside for a PAL oscillator. IT might be possible to add that capability by adding a crystal and enabling it in the service menu.
What's great is TVs like these can be found at super cheap prices. I have a Samsung SyncMaster 710MP that's similar (17 inch screen, 4:3 ratio with composite, RF and S-Video inputs) except it also has an VGA input. It was $15 from Craigslist. The picture quality isn't wonderful but when it comes to retro machines it's perfectly fine.
At the beginning, regarding the wish to change the channel or volume of a random TV, there actually used to be a wrist watch that claimed to have such capability.
I remember as a child we had Gateway supermarkets, don't know if they were related or not to Gateway2000, but I recall the store in Peterlee here in the north east of England having the Gateway-logo'd carpet in the clothing section for years after it had been bought up and converted into an Asda store... :P
No there wasn't a connection. Our local supermarket was Gateway (a Bristol based company), back when Bill Gates was still at school (early 1970s). There were actually pictures of the supermarket in the BBC Computer / Laserdisc Domesday book. Going completely off topic, when it opened they had the usual (for the time) electro-mechnical cash registers, but they were hooked up to change machines behind each cashier, so rather than having to count out the change she just pressed a button on the till and it came down a chute for the customer to pick up. I have searched for pictures and information of such units and not found anything.
This somehow reminds me of when BenQ used to make TVs and laptops, among other products, before moving to just making monitor. Before moving into the current flat I live in, it was partially abandoned, and there was a room with loads of dust, and a wall-mounted BenQ TV with a warped polariser (a result of Singaporean humidity) and a remote with batteries that had leaked. That TV was thrown out before I got to move in. It appeared that the home was last lived in around the mid 2000s before we bought it at a relatively low price and moved in. I even have photos of the TV that I took during a home open!
"you just plug it in, and it works" man I miss those days when you would buy a working product that did what it's supposed to.. and not end up becoming a paying beta tester 😁
@@fungo6631 I don't think you've worked with many Sharp displays lol but, my comment also extends to the general release of products that just aren't fully finished and require patch after patch and sometimes the companies just stop supporting it and you're left with a device that doesn't work as advertised.
@@fungo6631 oh my dude I work in the AV industry, I see all kinds of stuff. I'm not dumb, but I've worked with some pretty terrible stuff, displays included. But again, my comment was ment to be more general in nature, not just referring to displays.
Love these TVs, had a Sylvania 4:3 480p LCD TV for the past 4 years for all of my retro gaming needs. Almost no input lag, just like a CRT, so it's great for games like Parappa the Rapper which are unbearable on modern HDTVs. It also has component input, which I use for my PS2 and Xbox 360. Still planning on replacing it with a CRT, but this has served me very well.
Gateway is code 1076 on my Philips universal & learning remote, model SRP5107/27. It's an older model remote no longer in stores, but a few new-old-stock units are on eBay inexpensively. Possible newer Philips universal remotes will still have it, too. Good luck!
I have a similar set built by sharp in 2003-2004. Free from freecycle, 20inch, no HDMI inputs, stereo speakers with an external "brick on a leash" power supply as you call it, carying handle and two nice trap doors on the back for cable management with the buttons on the top. It is silver and it is from the aquos line of flatscreens by sharp. You can even rotate and flip the image in mirror modes. Speakers have a great sound for there size.
I remember that at one point we had this old LCD TV which was completely unresponsive to the remote Edit: it was also not very responsive to the buttons on the top of it (it had no buttons on the front, all the buttons were on the top) Fortunately the only button i really ever needed to use was the power button, as we just left it on the same input all the time And we currently have a very small TV which is even smaller than that one, but at least it works properly with the remote, and it has pretty much every type of input apart from S video (including VGA, HDMI, and Scart)
People are so into CRTs, and I love mine, but early standard definition flat screens are pretty great if you're willing to take a hit to picture quality.
I hear you about that "Being somewhere were there's a TV..."... as I used to transport an elderly friend to my of her doctors and suffer the same ordeal. Thankfully, I had upgraded my Palm Pilot (Digital Personal Assistant) to a Sony Clie series model, which allowed me to download/install a universal remote control app to use on those waiting room sets! =;D
I keep a couple of this type of TV for my older gaming consoles, the picture and colour quality is great compared to and older CRT. Mine is a UMC brand, my gateway is a TV with VGA but it's wide-screen I wish it wasn't but it's a handy secondary screen in vertical for arcade boards mind you.
In reponse to your intro, I used to have a smartphone with an IR blaster (Samsung Galaxy S5). It was more of a gimmick than anything, but it did work fine. I've seen that little TV in your videos for a long time, and it looks like a standard 15 inch LCD monitor from the front, aside from the A/V input. I've been waiting for a video on this for a long time! Very shocking that it does not have a VGA input. Sound quality is ok given its small size. It would be nice to see a video on that Panasonic vintage TV if you haven't made one already.
If you ever want to annoy people, there is a Kit called the TV-B-gone. You solder it together, and it turns off every TV I have ever tried. Restaurants, Airports. Walk down the sidewalk and turn off TV's.
Never understood the obsession over CRTs. They’re neat but not strictly necessary. I have one in storage purely for old light gun games like Time Crisis and House of the Dead.
If you like retro-stuff and hate the high pitched noise of crts this is the way to go. It won´t work with light guns but other than that it´s much more space saving and convenient than a crt.
My parents have a 4:3 13" Sony LCD TV from around the same area, and still use it as a secondary surveillance monitor for their security cameras. Yup, not very useful in this day and age as a media TV set, but nonetheless useful for watching out any sus things happening outside their home.
i can't believe there is a american tv show where you can win a Yugo! a Yugoslavian classic. there are a lot of people still driving those in ex-yugoslav countries and they all seem to be in good shape and working fine. really funny seeing one being given away on AMERICAN TV!
They were sold in American as "the cheapest car on the market". There are quite a few UA-cam videos about them, and Yugos even appear in some American films (in a similar manner to the way a Citroen 2CV gets driven by James Bond in For Your Eyes Only).
@@MrDuncl i know. i watched a couple of videos about Yugos being sold in the US and how it was criticized as the worst car ever. but hey, it's cheap and works!
Ah! You need a Ninja Remote! Once I was able to map the buttons on all my old equipment (including my Betamax player whose remote was lost when I was a kid over 30 years ago) I was able to clone the buttons onto the correct button layout in my Sony RM-VL 7620 universal learning remote. Now I can literally do anything with this remote by combining it with the Ninja Remote to clone the signal itself. It’s a wonderful life hack, I hope maybe I’ve inspired you to make a movie about it lol…
The comparison of composite vs S-Video quality will vary by the TV you are connected to. When using S-Video output from a VCR you are using the VCR's own comb filter versus letting the TV use its own comb filter on the composite output. since VHS is encoded in composite quality anyway, the quality of S-Video VHS is entirely dependant on how good the comb filter is that processes the signal. S-Video from a VCR will only look better than composite when the VCR's comb filter is nicer than the one in the TV. In most cases this will be true until you get into prosumer and industrial/broadcasting TVs.
I remember these early flat Standard Definition Televisions. Yeah the sound was the worst on these flat speakers but the picture looked pretty swell on these. And then slowly widescreen came around and i remember some TVs even being 16:10 first before 16:9 then became dominant. My best buddy's grandparents had such a TV. The early 2000s really were absolutely all about ditching CRTs and going all flat and i always looked with envious eyes to the flat PC TFT screens. But back then CRTs still had the best response time and flatscreens still suffered from slow responding LCDs which lead to image ghosting.
I remember some of those first LCD PC monitors; we sold them in the computer store I was working in (part of the RAF Lakenheath BX in the UK)...they had dreadful, slow refresh screens and cost around $600 for a 13inch display!!😵
@@stevesstuff1450 I was just going to comment about prices. I recall seeing an LG 15" monitor TV reduced from £1000 down to £650 and was very tempted at the time although I decided £650 was still a lot of money. Two or three years later I got a 22" widescreen LG monitor TV (the one I am still using as I type this) for £200. Because it doesn't have a digital tuner it was reduced down to about the same price as a monitor. Like my main TV it has no shortage of inputs. DVI, VGA, Composite, Component, and even SCART. While on the subject of LCDs in 2000 my boss decided to buy an LCD monitor. Back then manufacturers claimed a number of bad pixels was normal and unavoidable. He decided that if he was paying £500 for a monitor ha expected it to be perfect. After taking three back he gave up and got a nice CRT.
Just looks similar to my Philips CM8833 monitor originally used for computers but now I use it for retro gaming. Do you still have your Commodore 1084 monitor around? This is a nice and compact TV made!
Yeah, dell did as well seemed like a trend in the mid 2000s, except dell is still around (gateway still exists but I think e machines owns them (or is it the other way around I can’t remember)
you can get an universal remote that supports almost all devices ever made, mine can control almost every tv and even hi fi stereo and vcr, it has an auto search feature to detect the device automatically
Nice video and TV. The slow motion part with the CRT hurt my eyes. I don't have epilepsy but that sort of stuff sometimes gives me a headache. It might be a good idea to put a epilepsy or flashing warning before showing that in the future since some people could have epilepsy.
Cool TV. Haven't seen a 4:3 LCD TV in years. Almost looks like a late model Trinitron with the back chopped off. Though the Trinitron would probably have a bit of a better picture. With the C64 in front of it, I see it's a lot smaller than it appeared at first, wow.
There're apps for your phone which allow you to control devices with remote controls, even very old ones. A friend of mine currently uses his phone to control a Sansui vintage amplifier. Search for it.
I have Logik TV which uses hisense panel + hardware. Supports both PAL & NTSC video, albeit the firmware was borrowed from portable tv along so that might explain it
Handy I have a Philips monitor from that time a little later that also has those options Composite and svideo and even a hdmi connection whether it can handle NTSC I do not know never tested. They are getting harder to find these days. But is very nice thing I have an Ultimate 64 (C64) connected to it with scanlines on and is like a Crt very nice picture. Which I also connected to a real CRT at the same time that you can use at the same time. Thank's for showing
5:39 Yes please make a video about the proprietary recording speed. Kind of like how most Betamax VCRs couldn't record B1 speed, even tho B1 recordings played back just fine.
What is the panel used? I don't see any viewing angle testing. For me for now the Samsung 213 and 214 are the best, as those are using high quality VA panels with great colors, viewing angles, and S-video/composite/VGA input. Also easier to find than this in the EU.
I've developed a much more intuitive method to compare TV input latency: point a video camera at the screen. The speed of the trails indicates the amount of latency. Note that this also depends on the latency of the camera. The first-gen Digital8 camcorder I was using appears to output exactly one frame (or field, I don't remember) behind the action.
5:05 - Ah, Fox-body Mustang, Olds Cutlass Ciera... Is that a Nissan Stanza?... Nissan Pathfinder, Subaru GL, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Tercel, Yugo. All, except the Yugo, were pretty decent vehicles.
I honestly might have to look into something like this, I dug out my old PS2 recently and have been wanting to play through all the hit games I missed out on growing up and currently I'm having to play on a more modern Vizio E321VL LCD which to be fair, does look pretty good when using a component cable like I've been doing (might have to look into S-video as well). The issue is that the PS2 was made for 4:3 ratio screens, and its native resolution is either 480i or 480p. I would prefer to have a CRT like I did growing up but they are getting harder to come by and as far as I know, there's no real good place to look for them in my area, but earlier LCDs like this one might be a little easier to find hopefully.
I found an old LG LCD monitor I tried to use with my PS2 as well, but it looked horrible compared to the Samsung Smart TV I normally use. Fortunately, many modern TV's are able to recognize 480p/480i signals, as well as signals with 24fps without further upscaling. The LCD LG was 4:3, yes, but it's not worth downgrading the signal so much for the right aspect ratio and for unnoticeable (if any) reduction in input lag. My two cents.
i thought there was an app you could get that works as a universal remote. sad to hear this doesnt work. nice tv. i used to see them in Walmart as late as 5 years ago.
You know, i'm pretty sure these kind of TVs really have a market. Since it is absolutely impossible to see companies (even chinese ones) producing brand new CRT TVs for retro gamers, it should be totally possible to create SD resolution TVs like this one, without scaling and line doubling and subsequent zero input latency. I can totally see a market there. And with modern LCDs this should be possible.
Why not!? That's a good idea, or Mike Chi could make a 4:3 monitor for the Retrotink for retro gamers.
🙄 pixel response time
Personally, I use a older 1080p LCD. I've had a Trinitron CRT and although it's great for nostalgia, my eyes can't handle staring at them for prolonged use which really sucks but playing PAL games I can see the flicker on my unit which is the reason I sold it... I also find it easier upscaling older consoles instead of downgrading my PS3 and 360.
The problem is that LCDs need direct images to function, while CRTs only care that they get the RGB inputs for the electron guns as they sweep along the screen. Maybe an LCD that sweeps across the screen pixel by pixel, row by row, until it fills the field, before the blanking interval, then moving to the next one, and sweeping through that field before the blanking interval?
We still have 4:3 LCD TV in Indonesia, possibly the parts mostly imported from Shenzhen but assembled here. We even still have 4:3 inch CRT TV here.
I own this tv with remote. I have held onto it for many years because it is very unique. LCD analog is super rare. I took it into a retro game store one time thinking they would appreciate it but they told me it was trash so I kept it. Glad to see someone else understands the usefulness. I doubt it will ever be worth more than thrift store prices though… even though useful, seems as the years go by all this old tech just is a novelty for cheap nerds like us.
"You just plug it in and it works"
There's something you hardly ever hear anymore.
I remember getting a Gateway Astro all in one when they first came out.
The best thing about it was the recovery disc, which seems like I had to use once a week.
Great video!👍🇺🇸
Back in the olden days of Kazaa and limewire I had to use my recovery disk quite a few times due to downloading some questionable files
Those Gateway Astros are completely unobtainable at this point. I don't think they ever sold well. I can count on one hand the number of them I've seen turn up on eBay. An Astro and an early Profile are at the top of my list of most wanted Gateway machines.
Kev: "wow, that's a long model number."
Sony: "Allow me to introduce myself."
This Gateway TV is not a gateway project, gateway only put its brand stamped on products that already existed (in the monitors and tvs sector), judging by the Main Menu, it is a rebranded LG Flatron
Wow, "it just works." Theres a phrase we dont hear to often. Love it.
When I needed an LCD for this purpose I sought out an early DVD LCD combo TV. Those tended to be intended for children's rooms, and where therefore very defeatured. It was also the only LCD I could find at the time with the older aspect ratio screen, and analog tuner needed to run my Timex Sinclair and Atari 400, as bare metal.
also look at the sharp aquos series from the early 2000s, nice sets that can be found very cheap to free in most cases.
Mine was free and I love it.
I found an Emerson SD LCD display in the trash. They are great displays for analog sources without the inconvenience of CRTs' size and weight. I use that and a Commodore 1702 for my VCR, Laserdisc and retro games.
Wow, the response time is almost 1:1 with the CRT. I'm impressed!
I lucked across my Daenyx DN-153 at a thrift store. Not the prettiest, but it does accept 14.5-16.5KHz h-sync signals over the VGA port, which makes CGA/TGA conversion simple and easy.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd welcome seeing a video on that Panasonic VCR. It seems pretty well-optioned considering that it has HDMI, a digital ATSC tuner, and an SD card reader.
I'm still kicking myself after I got rid of a similar model a few years ago that had a digital ATSC/QAM tuner built in. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but a VCR with an analog-only tuner is really inconvenient considering that you have to use a DTV to analog converter and then make sure that the converter is tuned to the channel you want to record. It's also really nice to be able to use a coax splitter and run a dedicated TV cable to the VCR and your TV. Then you can watch whatever you want while the VCR can do its own thing recording something else.
Even though mostly everyone has moved on to on-demand streaming and DVRs, the people that are selling those VCRs online must not have gotten the memo, because they all want crazy money. People selling that Panasonic VCR online are asking $180 to around $500--there's even a few listed for almost $1000. Go figure, I must've paid no more than $10 for the one that I eventually got rid of.
A lot of people think that the only method of transferring their old VHS tapes is to use a unit like that, hence the premium pices. It actually is a very method convenient. In the 1990s, after spending several hundreds of pounds trying to set up my computer for editing analog footage from a camcorder, I ended up just plugging it into my Panasonic DVD recorder.
Never knew they expanded into badge engineering. Would definitely be interested in finding out more about the VP mode on that Panasonic VCR. I’ve never heard of that
I used to have a samsung galaxy s5 and it had an IR blaster on it. I used that phone a LOT to turn off or change channels on public TVs. Kinda sad that more modern phones have dropped IR.
I remember looking for a modern phone that had the features I had in my previous phone, but with 5G - IR blaster, headphone jack, SD card slot. There was only one phone that matched these criteria, and I couldn't import it from China...
My HTC One M8 (from 2014) had this too, I rarely used the function but I think it came in handy in a hotel somewhere with a broken/missing TV remote
That Canon Rebel EOS was something to drool about when it came (and still are, excellent lens and features).
I just watched old G4 tech tv from 2003 and saw a commercial for Gateway televisions. I had no idea they made tvs
Wow that computer shot of the Gateway brings me right back. That beige block was my family’s first computer, and legitimately what I played my first PC games on back in 2002. I distinctly remember the first time I had to degauss the giant monitor for my parents.
I actually had a 13 inch stereo TV. It was made by KTV. It was your standard 13" CRT TV with a single speaker, but it had an ATSC digital tuner built in for over the air digital broadcast. I discovered that it was a stereo set when I plugged a pair of headphones into it. I'm not talking about both speakers playing without a mono to stereo adapter, but true 2 channel stereo audio. To verify this I tuned to a music channel and heard a song that starts in the left channel and pans to the right and it was faithfully reproduced. KTV even made cable ready black and white sets with 181 channel tuner.
To get correct color brightness with the C64 to s-video cable, you need to put a 330 ohm resistor in series with the chroma line. The commodore standard has a tendency to over saturate the chroma signal.
Or you can just turn down the color in the TV's settings.
We used to have a similar LCD TV branded by Polaroid, it was good for playing GameCube games and DVDs. Gateway and Polaroid were licensing their brand in the 2000s, because they wanted to get into the growing LCD screen segment!
If you think about it Polaroid is perfect brand for a LCD based display as it use a polarizer.
@@tkmedia3866 Polaroid was abandoning film cameras during that time and was pushing into digital imaging, but they faced too much competitors in the digital age, since the HDTVs were starting to get cheaper and even Sharp and Panasonic got out of the LCD TV business.
@CSSTP Media yeah, I know Polaroid was used for rebadging TVs from Sharp or LG for big box stores like Best Buy and ASDA Superstores. Sakar International had also rebranded budget CRT TVs like Vivtar and Memorex in the 2000s.
There is a Gateway TV remote on Ebay now for the L30M103. My experience with other TV brands and models is that the same protocol is used over other models in the same range and over many years even.
There might be a free spot on the PCB inside for a PAL oscillator. IT might be possible to add that capability by adding a crystal and enabling it in the service menu.
What's great is TVs like these can be found at super cheap prices. I have a Samsung SyncMaster 710MP that's similar (17 inch screen, 4:3 ratio with composite, RF and S-Video inputs) except it also has an VGA input. It was $15 from Craigslist. The picture quality isn't wonderful but when it comes to retro machines it's perfectly fine.
At the beginning, regarding the wish to change the channel or volume of a random TV, there actually used to be a wrist watch that claimed to have such capability.
I had a similar TV a few years back, the only difference is that it had VGA instead of S-Video. Made for a good retro gaming TV and secondary monitor
The electric organ muzak appears again, it sounds like another track of the same record. It is so perfect for this channel!
Nice just in time for lunch time a new video from one of my favorite UA-camr have a nice Thursday Kevin.
At 5:10 I thought that was UA-cam messing up again. (like it frequently does even on my blazing fast connection)
I remember as a child we had Gateway supermarkets, don't know if they were related or not to Gateway2000, but I recall the store in Peterlee here in the north east of England having the Gateway-logo'd carpet in the clothing section for years after it had been bought up and converted into an Asda store... :P
No there wasn't a connection. Our local supermarket was Gateway (a Bristol based company), back when Bill Gates was still at school (early 1970s). There were actually pictures of the supermarket in the BBC Computer / Laserdisc Domesday book.
Going completely off topic, when it opened they had the usual (for the time) electro-mechnical cash registers, but they were hooked up to change machines behind each cashier, so rather than having to count out the change she just pressed a button on the till and it came down a chute for the customer to pick up. I have searched for pictures and information of such units and not found anything.
This somehow reminds me of when BenQ used to make TVs and laptops, among other products, before moving to just making monitor.
Before moving into the current flat I live in, it was partially abandoned, and there was a room with loads of dust, and a wall-mounted BenQ TV with a warped polariser (a result of Singaporean humidity) and a remote with batteries that had leaked. That TV was thrown out before I got to move in. It appeared that the home was last lived in around the mid 2000s before we bought it at a relatively low price and moved in. I even have photos of the TV that I took during a home open!
"you just plug it in, and it works" man I miss those days when you would buy a working product that did what it's supposed to.. and not end up becoming a paying beta tester 😁
But modern TVs do work as well when plugged in.
Ehh not always *cough cough* LG “smart” TV *cough cough*
@@fungo6631 I don't think you've worked with many Sharp displays lol but, my comment also extends to the general release of products that just aren't fully finished and require patch after patch and sometimes the companies just stop supporting it and you're left with a device that doesn't work as advertised.
@@MarshalArnold Just don't buy smart TVs. There's plenty of them to buy here. If you do buy smart TVs, don't buy the cheapest crap.
@@fungo6631 oh my dude I work in the AV industry, I see all kinds of stuff. I'm not dumb, but I've worked with some pretty terrible stuff, displays included. But again, my comment was ment to be more general in nature, not just referring to displays.
Love these TVs, had a Sylvania 4:3 480p LCD TV for the past 4 years for all of my retro gaming needs. Almost no input lag, just like a CRT, so it's great for games like Parappa the Rapper which are unbearable on modern HDTVs. It also has component input, which I use for my PS2 and Xbox 360. Still planning on replacing it with a CRT, but this has served me very well.
Gateway is code 1076 on my Philips universal & learning remote, model SRP5107/27. It's an older model remote no longer in stores, but a few new-old-stock units are on eBay inexpensively. Possible newer Philips universal remotes will still have it, too. Good luck!
Great video. I found it very interesting. I'm kind of glad the universal remote wouldn't work! 😄
Not bad not bad, we used to have a Polaroid TV for years before it finally died. It worked for almost 7 years as the main TV.
My smartphone has a "infrared blaster" and a remote control app. Works perfect to mess around with TVs in public 😁
Shame, as many televisions have lock feature built-in to prevent such tampering.
I have a similar set built by sharp in 2003-2004. Free from freecycle, 20inch, no HDMI inputs, stereo speakers with an external "brick on a leash" power supply as you call it, carying handle and two nice trap doors on the back for cable management with the buttons on the top. It is silver and it is from the aquos line of flatscreens by sharp. You can even rotate and flip the image in mirror modes. Speakers have a great sound for there size.
Is it the Sharp Aquos 20b4u-sm?
@@Koven_Sabbathsharp lc-20b6u-s
I remember that at one point we had this old LCD TV which was completely unresponsive to the remote
Edit: it was also not very responsive to the buttons on the top of it (it had no buttons on the front, all the buttons were on the top)
Fortunately the only button i really ever needed to use was the power button, as we just left it on the same input all the time
And we currently have a very small TV which is even smaller than that one, but at least it works properly with the remote, and it has pretty much every type of input apart from S video (including VGA, HDMI, and Scart)
This is really a great video about this TV, and I'm looking forward to that VCR video I hope you'll do soon ♥
People are so into CRTs, and I love mine, but early standard definition flat screens are pretty great if you're willing to take a hit to picture quality.
Nice to see you drag out a model 1 Genesis to test it out on.
Nice TV, and great to see a Commodore 64 in one of your videos :)
But it's missing the Commodore key!
Excellent video!
I hear you about that "Being somewhere were there's a TV..."... as I used to transport an elderly friend to my of her doctors and suffer the same ordeal. Thankfully, I had upgraded my Palm Pilot (Digital Personal Assistant) to a Sony Clie series model, which allowed me to download/install a universal remote control app to use on those waiting room sets! =;D
I keep a couple of this type of TV for my older gaming consoles, the picture and colour quality is great compared to and older CRT. Mine is a UMC brand, my gateway is a TV with VGA but it's wide-screen I wish it wasn't but it's a handy secondary screen in vertical for arcade boards mind you.
honestly I'd love a video of you just watching and commenting on some tv shows.
This is the only flat panel tv I have ever seen with front inputs
In reponse to your intro, I used to have a smartphone with an IR blaster (Samsung Galaxy S5). It was more of a gimmick than anything, but it did work fine.
I've seen that little TV in your videos for a long time, and it looks like a standard 15 inch LCD monitor from the front, aside from the A/V input. I've been waiting for a video on this for a long time!
Very shocking that it does not have a VGA input. Sound quality is ok given its small size. It would be nice to see a video on that Panasonic vintage TV if you haven't made one already.
I did a video about the Panasonic way back in 2008: ua-cam.com/video/9gmlf3o4srM/v-deo.html
If you ever want to annoy people, there is a Kit called the TV-B-gone. You solder it together, and it turns off every TV I have ever tried. Restaurants, Airports. Walk down the sidewalk and turn off TV's.
I imagine it just spits out every "power off" IR code known to mankind, in hopes of at least one of them working.
Funny thing, I have that DSLR shown in the DVD.
0:17 What a TWIST!
Never understood the obsession over CRTs. They’re neat but not strictly necessary. I have one in storage purely for old light gun games like Time Crisis and House of the Dead.
Thanks for the video, Kevin.
I have that on my PALM PILOT IIIC UNIVERSAL CONTROLLING IT WILL COMMUNICATE TO ANYTHING EVEN TO MY CAR STARTER IT'S ALL DEALS WITH INFRARED
When I had my first phone with a ir controller (Sony Xperia something) I couldn't stop muting public TV's in bars and restaurants...
If you like retro-stuff and hate the high pitched noise of crts this is the way to go. It won´t work with light guns but other than that it´s much more space saving and convenient than a crt.
My parents have a 4:3 13" Sony LCD TV from around the same area, and still use it as a secondary surveillance monitor for their security cameras. Yup, not very useful in this day and age as a media TV set, but nonetheless useful for watching out any sus things happening outside their home.
i can't believe there is a american tv show where you can win a Yugo! a Yugoslavian classic. there are a lot of people still driving those in ex-yugoslav countries and they all seem to be in good shape and working fine. really funny seeing one being given away on AMERICAN TV!
They were sold in American as "the cheapest car on the market". There are quite a few UA-cam videos about them, and Yugos even appear in some American films (in a similar manner to the way a Citroen 2CV gets driven by James Bond in For Your Eyes Only).
@@MrDuncl i know. i watched a couple of videos about Yugos being sold in the US and how it was criticized as the worst car ever. but hey, it's cheap and works!
Ah! You need a Ninja Remote! Once I was able to map the buttons on all my old equipment (including my Betamax player whose remote was lost when I was a kid over 30 years ago) I was able to clone the buttons onto the correct button layout in my Sony RM-VL 7620 universal learning remote. Now I can literally do anything with this remote by combining it with the Ninja Remote to clone the signal itself. It’s a wonderful life hack, I hope maybe I’ve inspired you to make a movie about it lol…
LCD panels have progressive scan, so deinterlacing should be here
The comparison of composite vs S-Video quality will vary by the TV you are connected to. When using S-Video output from a VCR you are using the VCR's own comb filter versus letting the TV use its own comb filter on the composite output. since VHS is encoded in composite quality anyway, the quality of S-Video VHS is entirely dependant on how good the comb filter is that processes the signal. S-Video from a VCR will only look better than composite when the VCR's comb filter is nicer than the one in the TV. In most cases this will be true until you get into prosumer and industrial/broadcasting TVs.
Or newer TVs that use DSP processes.
I remember these early flat Standard Definition Televisions. Yeah the sound was the worst on these flat speakers but the picture looked pretty swell on these. And then slowly widescreen came around and i remember some TVs even being 16:10 first before 16:9 then became dominant. My best buddy's grandparents had such a TV. The early 2000s really were absolutely all about ditching CRTs and going all flat and i always looked with envious eyes to the flat PC TFT screens. But back then CRTs still had the best response time and flatscreens still suffered from slow responding LCDs which lead to image ghosting.
I remember some of those first LCD PC monitors; we sold them in the computer store I was working in (part of the RAF Lakenheath BX in the UK)...they had dreadful, slow refresh screens and cost around $600 for a 13inch display!!😵
@@stevesstuff1450 I was just going to comment about prices. I recall seeing an LG 15" monitor TV reduced from £1000 down to £650 and was very tempted at the time although I decided £650 was still a lot of money. Two or three years later I got a 22" widescreen LG monitor TV (the one I am still using as I type this) for £200. Because it doesn't have a digital tuner it was reduced down to about the same price as a monitor. Like my main TV it has no shortage of inputs. DVI, VGA, Composite, Component, and even SCART.
While on the subject of LCDs in 2000 my boss decided to buy an LCD monitor. Back then manufacturers claimed a number of bad pixels was normal and unavoidable. He decided that if he was paying £500 for a monitor ha expected it to be perfect. After taking three back he gave up and got a nice CRT.
good video I still use the sony mavica
Just looks similar to my Philips CM8833 monitor originally used for computers but now I use it for retro gaming. Do you still have your Commodore 1084 monitor around? This is a nice and compact TV made!
Yes, I do.
@@vwestlife I see. Do you plan to get the 1084s stereo version one day?
@@卡拉永遠OK唱不完 If I ever come across one locally, sure. But until then, my dual-speaker mono 1084 is fine.
Wait the cowbrand computers made a tv!?
Yeah, dell did as well seemed like a trend in the mid 2000s, except dell is still around (gateway still exists but I think e machines owns them (or is it the other way around I can’t remember)
well looks like the logitech harmony remotes control this tv.
you can get an universal remote that supports almost all devices ever made, mine can control almost every tv and even hi fi stereo and vcr, it has an auto search feature to detect the device automatically
thats a cool tv
Nice video and TV. The slow motion part with the CRT hurt my eyes. I don't have epilepsy but that sort of stuff sometimes gives me a headache. It might be a good idea to put a epilepsy or flashing warning before showing that in the future since some people could have epilepsy.
Lol...diddums.
I have that same DVD player
I can imagine that Gateway display being used for CCTV systems.
"Only in America", hahaha!
But yeah, I think I remember something similar to this back when I was young.
Super cool
"I won 'Classic Concentration' and all I got was this Yugo"
okay wtf is the song playing during the slowmo footage? it was pretty good
Cool TV. Haven't seen a 4:3 LCD TV in years. Almost looks like a late model Trinitron with the back chopped off. Though the Trinitron would probably have a bit of a better picture.
With the C64 in front of it, I see it's a lot smaller than it appeared at first, wow.
I don't have much space where I live to have a CRT TV so I just use CRT shaders in retroarch, this would be pretty cool to watch VHS and DVDs though.
Xiaomi's phone builtin IR remote control application supports Gateway TVs, but I don't know for sure if it is compatible with this model.
There're apps for your phone which allow you to control devices with remote controls, even very old ones. A friend of mine currently uses his phone to control a Sansui vintage amplifier. Search for it.
I have Logik TV which uses hisense panel + hardware. Supports both PAL & NTSC video, albeit the firmware was borrowed from portable tv along so that might explain it
Handy
I have a Philips monitor from that time a little later that also has those options Composite and svideo and even a hdmi connection whether it can handle NTSC I do not know never tested.
They are getting harder to find these days.
But is very nice thing I have an Ultimate 64 (C64) connected to it with scanlines on and is like a Crt very nice picture.
Which I also connected to a real CRT at the same time that you can use at the same time.
Thank's for showing
our Gateway computer last a long time
On my old Xiaomi Phone which has an ir port is an option for a Gateway TV in the MI Remote app
Nice that reminds me of a Panasonic that have that is the same sizes
If you're looking to get a remote control for this TV, try an old One For All remote like the Cinema 6 or 7.
Excellent video sir. BTW, what was that music at the end?
I've recently found a Samsung TV B2430HD from a thrift store it got a lot of ports to play with lol
I own an Acer AL1511 which I use for an Opteron 165 PC running Windows XP
5:39 Yes please make a video about the proprietary recording speed.
Kind of like how most Betamax VCRs couldn't record B1 speed, even tho B1 recordings played back just fine.
What is the panel used? I don't see any viewing angle testing. For me for now the Samsung 213 and 214 are the best, as those are using high quality VA panels with great colors, viewing angles, and S-video/composite/VGA input. Also easier to find than this in the EU.
I've developed a much more intuitive method to compare TV input latency: point a video camera at the screen. The speed of the trails indicates the amount of latency.
Note that this also depends on the latency of the camera. The first-gen Digital8 camcorder I was using appears to output exactly one frame (or field, I don't remember) behind the action.
5:05 - Ah, Fox-body Mustang, Olds Cutlass Ciera... Is that a Nissan Stanza?... Nissan Pathfinder, Subaru GL, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Tercel, Yugo. All, except the Yugo, were pretty decent vehicles.
I honestly might have to look into something like this, I dug out my old PS2 recently and have been wanting to play through all the hit games I missed out on growing up and currently I'm having to play on a more modern Vizio E321VL LCD which to be fair, does look pretty good when using a component cable like I've been doing (might have to look into S-video as well). The issue is that the PS2 was made for 4:3 ratio screens, and its native resolution is either 480i or 480p. I would prefer to have a CRT like I did growing up but they are getting harder to come by and as far as I know, there's no real good place to look for them in my area, but earlier LCDs like this one might be a little easier to find hopefully.
I found an old LG LCD monitor I tried to use with my PS2 as well, but it looked horrible compared to the Samsung Smart TV I normally use. Fortunately, many modern TV's are able to recognize 480p/480i signals, as well as signals with 24fps without further upscaling. The LCD LG was 4:3, yes, but it's not worth downgrading the signal so much for the right aspect ratio and for unnoticeable (if any) reduction in input lag. My two cents.
Have a nearly identical TV I kept around for the same purpose. IIRC its some generic brand like Sylvania tho.
title implying that a lcd tv might me suitable for retro gaming is one of the strongest clickbaits i encountered
totally justified though, it's amazing how low the lag is
Another good vid, but I am still not sure you know what beige is ! PAL was 629 when I was at school or maybe I think of the frequency
Gateway officially called the color of this monitor "bronze".
“Well, with this device, you CANT.” 😂 how would that device even work without programming it to each and every device, what a gyp
I would like to see plugging that into that Video Toaster if you still have it from 9 or 10 years ago.
I still have it, but haven't used it much.
Later on ebay: RETRO GAMING GATEWAY LCD TV $500 Don’t lowball me I know what I have!
i thought there was an app you could get that works as a universal remote. sad to hear this doesnt work. nice tv. i used to see them in Walmart as late as 5 years ago.
I have a small Samsung LCD with this same exact tiny wall mount of 75mm. You might just have a rebadged Samsung there.
8:05 please upload mavica camera review
I already did a video about a Sony Mavica camera over a decade ago.