E series is getting to be obsolete for server use, though it is still useful for building budget gaming PCs with the cheap Chinese MBs and the 1S CPUs. The W series is considerably more expensive than the CPUs featured in this video and, for a home server, the modest gain in single thread score just isn't worth paying double for a CPU. The 6150 performs similarly to a Threadripper 1950X but is substantially cheaper, a rarity when comparing intel and AMD CPUs, whether it be on the new or used market. Sort of like how the E5-1650 v3 performs like a Ryzen 1600 in gaming but for a quarter of the price.
These CPU for gaming, but gaming doesnt look bad at all on it. Plenty FPS to enjoy games on a side. While having all performance for work and productuvity and multitasking, just one problem they still hold price quite high once it drops to cheap price it will be nice optiom, but finind motherboard for good price can be challanging
E series is still going strong for budget gaming. Using a Xeon Gold 6150 for gaming is going to give you about the same performance as using a $10 E5-1650 v3 so it doesn't make sense to game on one unless you want to build a server that can stream 3 different games at the same time or use as a private CS2 server. You could game on a Threadripper too but it is just a waste of money.
Nice video! I can’t image why anyone would take on the hassle of a 8124m with a specific mobo or a modified one, over a standard part. And it’s the last thing I’d try to play games on. These things are for servers with huge ecc ram hosting massive concurrent workloads reliably.
I bought an HP Z6 G4 workstation here. I'm also planning a video: with Xeon 6128 processors versus 1650v4; 6128 versus 1650 versus 2643 versus 4; 6128 vs i5-12400; 6128 vs 2643v4 vs i5-12400 + RX 7700XT (WQHD). Next I plan battle 8/16 for example E5-2667v3 vs 6134 and 2667v3 vs 6134 vs i7-12700.
Hi Miyconst, have you considered comparing AMD EPYC CPU’s to Xeon’s? it seems 1st to 3rd gen EPYCs can be found for cheap, especially ES versions and EPYC CPU’s tend to have more cores and can be overclocked as well, it seems maybe it’s the way to go from X99, the only thing is the motherboards are still expensive.
These must be coming down relative to your local currency? I believe we had chatted about them in the comments early in the year and you said they were still quite expensive where you are. I love my Skylake xeons in my server (2x 6138) and the cascade lake one in my gaming machine (W-3235). Definitely not as strong as brand new chips obviously, and single thread performance is a bit less than the consumer chips of the same generation. There are 2 things that keep me working with xeons, having more PCIE lanes, and the raw stability, for this I can sacrifice some performance that I don't feel is an issue with even a 3080.
No, the prices are still unreasonably high, especially for the motherboards but I got bored with LGA 2011-3 and decided to spend (waste) the money and buy an LGA 3647 set.
@@Miyconst Too bad it was a waste for you, I rather enjoy these big stupid chips. Then again on US ebay one e5-2696v3 costs the same as two Xeon Gold 6138s which made them great candidates for the home server upgrade. The W-3235 was technically speaking a downgrade in performance from the consumer chip I had prior, but after a couple years on a consumer platform random crashing was driving me insane. When underclocking and fresh ram didn't improve things I gave up on regular desktop chips, but when some 4000/5000 series ryzen 5s can still be had new for less than the price of my used W3235 it's not nearly as clear cut or budget oriented.
Because Intel decided to increase the L1/L2 cache capacity that is unique per CPU and that is good for lots of small isolated tasks running in parallel, for example web-hosting.
To reduce manufacturing costs and fit more cores into the same area. Most server workloads don't benefit much from the extra L3 cache (some do, hence the release of AMD's EPYC X3D CPUs, but the majority don't), compared to putting the area saved towards adding extra cores. As Miyconst says, server workloads usually benefit more from slightly larger L1 and L2 caches than from much larger L3 caches, and adding a few KB to L1 takes up much less area than a few MB of L3.
@@Miyconst Дякую за видео. Я тоже перешел на 3647. Но набор CPU у меня по интересней собрался для обзоров и тестов. Например GOLD 6128, 6126, 6134м, 6136 на HP Z6 G4 Workstation. Уже начал делать тесты пока самый простой в играх планирую видео: Gold 6128 vs 1650v4; 6128vs 1650v4 vs 2643v4; 6128 vs i5-12400; 6128 vs 2643v4 vs i5-12400 + RX 7700XT (WQHD). Далее планирую битву 8/16 например E5-2667v3 vs 6134 и 2667v3 vs 6134 vs i7-12700. Скажи плиз свое мнение. Что думаешь о полезности сего? Дякую. Слава Украiни.
Been looking to build an affordable home server and the E series is just getting too long in the tooth. Looks like the cheapest MB is around $100 US but that's a HP OEM board and I have a feeling that, by the time I buy the invariably necessary cable adapters, I might as well just get a Supermicro board for $160. I was surprised just how cheap these CPUs were. Definitely going to save some money over building a TR 1950X machine.
Sir, why not test the Xeon’s for what they are designed for, mainly computational scientific analysis and compiling. Also, I can tell you that with a slight overclock of the Socket 2066, Intel I9-7980xe. 9980xe and 10989xe high core count processor (18), you can easily achieve 26000 in CB23. That is even more than the Xeon W 3265M. Granted the i9-10980xe is still high in the used market, I have seen the 7980xe for under 300usd. Motherboards (Socket2066) are also to be had around 300usd. FWIW, I work in geophysics, and contemplated upgrading my system to Socket3647 with the Xeon W-3200 series, however the numbers do not justify such an expensive system. And the Ice Lake Xeon W-3300 on the 4289 Socket is exponentially more expensive than the 3647 Socket systems. Testing in games does not make sense. At least with CB23 and 24 benchmarks take advantage of the AVX512 features that no consumer processor has. FWIW
Cinebench, Geekbench, Blender are hardly gaming benchmarks. I tested a bit of both worlds. AM5 Ryzen CPUs support AVX512 and the price is very comparable to LGA 2066 while AM5 is much newer and much more energy efficient.
Heck i have a 1660v3 on a dell motherboard turbo overclocking to 4.1 ghz on all 8 cores. It is a good balance for my wifes school and my gaming for a cheap price
I'm still using the E5-2696v3 (TU, Mi899, -50/-50mV offsets) paired to X99TF and 48GB DDR4 desktop ram (Corsair Vengeance, XMP profile 11-12-12-24-36). It's been a stable daily driver since 2020 and I have no plans to upgrade since I was able to install Win11 Pro without any issues using the image install (.iso) method. For sure, I would do a budget build with AM4 today...but I simply have no need to upgrade...my system runs like a Swiss watch. If it ain't broke...I'm not gonna fix it!
Because Intel decided to increase the L1/L2 cache capacity that is unique per CPU and that is good for lots of small isolated tasks running in parallel, for example web-hosting.
@@Miyconst oh ok that weird man i was going to use these for crypto mining but u need more l3 cache then what comes with this cpu thats y ive been mining on a dual x99 mother board
To reduce manufacturing costs and fit more cores into the same area. Most server workloads don't benefit much from the extra L3 cache (some do, hence the release of AMD's EPYC X3D CPUs, but the majority don't), compared to putting the area saved towards adding extra cores. As Miyconst says, server workloads usually benefit more from slightly larger L1 and L2 caches than from much larger L3 caches, and adding a few KB to L1 takes up much less area than a few MB of L3.
Finally, the used hardware reviewers are moving to Skylake-SP and LGA-3647 after 7 years
😂
retbleed bug will be a problem.
E series is getting to be obsolete for server use, though it is still useful for building budget gaming PCs with the cheap Chinese MBs and the 1S CPUs.
The W series is considerably more expensive than the CPUs featured in this video and, for a home server, the modest gain in single thread score just isn't worth paying double for a CPU. The 6150 performs similarly to a Threadripper 1950X but is substantially cheaper, a rarity when comparing intel and AMD CPUs, whether it be on the new or used market. Sort of like how the E5-1650 v3 performs like a Ryzen 1600 in gaming but for a quarter of the price.
Doubt I'll ever mess with this platform, but glad to watch your videos regardless. Very informative!
Thanks for the great video!
Thanks for the support!
@@Miyconst Thanks for the video! because of you I keep buying these Chinese motherboards, got me a good little collection goin on. LOL
These CPU for gaming, but gaming doesnt look bad at all on it. Plenty FPS to enjoy games on a side. While having all performance for work and productuvity and multitasking, just one problem they still hold price quite high once it drops to cheap price it will be nice optiom, but finind motherboard for good price can be challanging
Just hoping for chinese motherboard manufactureres to pick up the socket
E series is still going strong for budget gaming. Using a Xeon Gold 6150 for gaming is going to give you about the same performance as using a $10 E5-1650 v3 so it doesn't make sense to game on one unless you want to build a server that can stream 3 different games at the same time or use as a private CS2 server. You could game on a Threadripper too but it is just a waste of money.
Nice video! I can’t image why anyone would take on the hassle of a 8124m with a specific mobo or a modified one, over a standard part. And it’s the last thing I’d try to play games on. These things are for servers with huge ecc ram hosting massive concurrent workloads reliably.
I bought an HP Z6 G4 workstation here. I'm also planning a video:
with Xeon 6128 processors versus 1650v4; 6128 versus 1650 versus 2643 versus 4; 6128 vs i5-12400;
6128 vs 2643v4 vs i5-12400 + RX 7700XT (WQHD). Next I plan
battle 8/16 for example E5-2667v3 vs 6134 and 2667v3 vs 6134 vs i7-12700.
Hi Miyconst, have you considered comparing AMD EPYC CPU’s to Xeon’s? it seems 1st to 3rd gen EPYCs can be found for cheap, especially ES versions and EPYC CPU’s tend to have more cores and can be overclocked as well, it seems maybe it’s the way to go from X99, the only thing is the motherboards are still expensive.
These EPYCs are on my radar but the gaming performance is questionable and the motherboards are next to non existing, so I am still waiting.
@@Miyconst Looking forward to this! I don’t have much but I’ll donate something for these reviews. Thank you
These must be coming down relative to your local currency? I believe we had chatted about them in the comments early in the year and you said they were still quite expensive where you are.
I love my Skylake xeons in my server (2x 6138) and the cascade lake one in my gaming machine (W-3235). Definitely not as strong as brand new chips obviously, and single thread performance is a bit less than the consumer chips of the same generation. There are 2 things that keep me working with xeons, having more PCIE lanes, and the raw stability, for this I can sacrifice some performance that I don't feel is an issue with even a 3080.
No, the prices are still unreasonably high, especially for the motherboards but I got bored with LGA 2011-3 and decided to spend (waste) the money and buy an LGA 3647 set.
@@Miyconst Too bad it was a waste for you, I rather enjoy these big stupid chips. Then again on US ebay one e5-2696v3 costs the same as two Xeon Gold 6138s which made them great candidates for the home server upgrade. The W-3235 was technically speaking a downgrade in performance from the consumer chip I had prior, but after a couple years on a consumer platform random crashing was driving me insane. When underclocking and fresh ram didn't improve things I gave up on regular desktop chips, but when some 4000/5000 series ryzen 5s can still be had new for less than the price of my used W3235 it's not nearly as clear cut or budget oriented.
Lol why do these cpus have 2 to 5 less l3 cache than many x99 parts?
Because Intel decided to increase the L1/L2 cache capacity that is unique per CPU and that is good for lots of small isolated tasks running in parallel, for example web-hosting.
@@Miyconst ohhh, interesting
To reduce manufacturing costs and fit more cores into the same area. Most server workloads don't benefit much from the extra L3 cache (some do, hence the release of AMD's EPYC X3D CPUs, but the majority don't), compared to putting the area saved towards adding extra cores. As Miyconst says, server workloads usually benefit more from slightly larger L1 and L2 caches than from much larger L3 caches, and adding a few KB to L1 takes up much less area than a few MB of L3.
@@Miyconst Дякую за видео. Я тоже перешел на 3647. Но набор CPU у меня по интересней собрался для обзоров и тестов.
Например GOLD 6128, 6126, 6134м, 6136 на HP Z6 G4 Workstation. Уже начал делать тесты пока самый простой в играх планирую видео:
Gold 6128 vs 1650v4; 6128vs 1650v4 vs 2643v4; 6128 vs i5-12400; 6128 vs 2643v4 vs i5-12400 + RX 7700XT (WQHD). Далее планирую
битву 8/16 например E5-2667v3 vs 6134 и 2667v3 vs 6134 vs i7-12700. Скажи плиз свое мнение. Что думаешь о полезности сего? Дякую.
Слава Украiни.
Been looking to build an affordable home server and the E series is just getting too long in the tooth. Looks like the cheapest MB is around $100 US but that's a HP OEM board and I have a feeling that, by the time I buy the invariably necessary cable adapters, I might as well just get a Supermicro board for $160. I was surprised just how cheap these CPUs were. Definitely going to save some money over building a TR 1950X machine.
$160 for a Supermicro board is very good, here in Europe they are $300+.
LGA 3647 continues to be a disappointment like normal, cpus were just not designed for a typical desktop workload.
Sir, why not test the Xeon’s for what they are designed for, mainly computational scientific analysis and compiling. Also, I can tell you that with a slight overclock of the Socket 2066, Intel I9-7980xe. 9980xe and 10989xe high core count processor (18), you can easily achieve 26000 in CB23. That is even more than the Xeon W 3265M. Granted the i9-10980xe is still high in the used market, I have seen the 7980xe for under 300usd. Motherboards (Socket2066) are also to be had around 300usd. FWIW, I work in geophysics, and contemplated upgrading my system to Socket3647 with the Xeon W-3200 series, however the numbers do not justify such an expensive system. And the Ice Lake Xeon W-3300 on the 4289 Socket is exponentially more expensive than the 3647 Socket systems.
Testing in games does not make sense. At least with CB23 and 24 benchmarks take advantage of the AVX512 features that no consumer processor has. FWIW
Cinebench, Geekbench, Blender are hardly gaming benchmarks. I tested a bit of both worlds. AM5 Ryzen CPUs support AVX512 and the price is very comparable to LGA 2066 while AM5 is much newer and much more energy efficient.
@@Miyconst I would anticipate that a better benchmark to demonstrate Xeon CPU capabilities would be the SPEC CPU 2017 Benchmark Suite.
My next PC will probably be AM5 powered for a change!
I think mine as well 😀
My E5-2696v3 18 cores turbounlock 145W does 2240/26K with cpumark at 3792Mhz, 45M of cache, 43€. I don't see the benefit of using this platform
True, there are only a few niche cases where LGA 3647 is better.
How did you get this cpu to run at 3792 boost all core under load? Mine under load only does 3.4ghz
Planning of upgrading to that CPU and disabling a couple of cores for 3.8 all core
Heck i have a 1660v3 on a dell motherboard turbo overclocking to 4.1 ghz on all 8 cores. It is a good balance for my wifes school and my gaming for a cheap price
I'm still using the E5-2696v3 (TU, Mi899, -50/-50mV offsets) paired to X99TF and 48GB DDR4 desktop ram (Corsair Vengeance, XMP profile 11-12-12-24-36). It's been a stable daily driver since 2020 and I have no plans to upgrade since I was able to install Win11 Pro without any issues using the image install (.iso) method. For sure, I would do a budget build with AM4 today...but I simply have no need to upgrade...my system runs like a Swiss watch. If it ain't broke...I'm not gonna fix it!
Can you make a Xeon 6138 review?
I can but what's the point?
@@Miyconst way cheaper and less power consumption.
Ok, I will see what I can do about it.
@@Miyconst thanks!
Hey friend! Do you have modify bios to MR9A PRO MAX ?
the 6230 is also a great deal too 2.1 ghz base but 3.4 up to 12 core turbo
And the 62XX support DDR4-2933.
@@Miyconst yep :) getting two for my hp z8 g4
¡¡¡ What !!!! 240W TDP
There are the most powerfull xeon gold in gaming? 👀
Wanna se more models
I am working on another video, testing 8272CL this time.
how do these cpus have less l3 cache then a xeon e5 2680 v4 ???? how is that possible???? why would u spend more to get less?? makes no sense
Because Intel decided to increase the L1/L2 cache capacity that is unique per CPU and that is good for lots of small isolated tasks running in parallel, for example web-hosting.
@@Miyconst oh ok that weird man i was going to use these for crypto mining but u need more l3 cache then what comes with this cpu thats y ive been mining on a dual x99 mother board
To reduce manufacturing costs and fit more cores into the same area. Most server workloads don't benefit much from the extra L3 cache (some do, hence the release of AMD's EPYC X3D CPUs, but the majority don't), compared to putting the area saved towards adding extra cores. As Miyconst says, server workloads usually benefit more from slightly larger L1 and L2 caches than from much larger L3 caches, and adding a few KB to L1 takes up much less area than a few MB of L3.
sembrano film i giochi forte
unless china will staret making cheap "new" mobos for this socket, platform is dead for mass consumers
Very true.
Hard pass