Sorry to hear you crashed man. Thank you for taking the time to share the video, this will help others (well at least the ones smart enough to understand we a just trying to educate them) from having a similar experience. - Van
Sportbike Track Gear Sorry I don’t want to mislead you, it wasn’t me in the Video. It belongs to someone called Cory. He put up such a good description of what caused the crash and it’s basically what you are stating! His and your video has stopped me buying cheap aftermarket levers.There is also a crash of someone on a track day, in the UK going flat Out, the front wheel locks and he totals the bike but walks away.If it had been on the streets I’m sure he would be dead.
I’ve never had 1 single issue from the eBay levers and I’ve bought like 3 sets for my R6. The only downside is that the black fades into this gold-ish color. I won’t be suckered into spending $100+ for some levers. They shouldn’t cost that much. Everyone has different experiences and opinions about the “good stuff”. I’ll stick with my eBay levers and spend the $80-$90 I saved by not buying ASV levers on something else.
And that was the last thing RAD Chili ever said before he ran through a busy intersection and got trampled by a semi. According to authorities, cause of fatality was traced down to brake failure.
@@user-cg9vp9bf5d I'll just tag in.. I have these exact levers in the video and unless theres a new design they dont have this problem his speaking of.. no binding the pin lock thing his talking about is free an loose...
@@robzillagarage but now we know what problems could arise from the Chinese levers. Only thing that needs to be done is test it out and see if it binds or not. If it does, tell the seller it's crap and you get your money back (if you buy it on aliexpress). No harm done. You can do this until you get a fully functioning one. That's it.
Thank you for putting this out there. My front wheel almost locked up after installing a set of these cheap levers. There are videos on UA-cam of crashes caused by these levers. Not worth it. Brian is spot on.
I've installed cnc levers from China on my gen 1 fazer 1000, not an ounce of problems at all, and as to the allowed movement of the pin on the end of the clutch and brake cables, I've messed around with bike ones, they don't move, they're not supposed to move, why would you want them to move??? That's just gives another strain point on the cable, it needs to be rigid
I'm rushing out to check my aftermarket levers. This vid has put chills up my spine. I am usually extremely safety conscience yet how could I have allowed myself to be so trusting with the quality of so critical a product. Your vid is a wake-up call for me. And potentially a lifesaver! Thankyou.
I have MZS levers on my bike and had them on my previous bike. You do have to check that bearing on these cheap-os. Thank you for spreading awareness of a major safety issue. Having never been exposed to the higher end product I never knew what that extra money was buying. I will keep a closer eye on my MZS levers and add better parts to my Christmas list.
I respect as a businessman for actually caring for your customers and looking up someone on UA-cam that ordered something from your website and you were able to reach out to him and resolve his issue!
I bought the blk& red "ride it" levers and outta the box the blind hole for the pin was "loosey goosey" there was SOME play all I did was tighten the nut on bottom a little and slapped a little grease on it good to go and the shorty size was a little longer than rc2.but other than that they been good to go for 6yrs now.
Dude, this video helped me heaps. Love the channel and always learn something new. My brakes locked up as you have described and after tons of money spent and time looking for the boogie man, it was the new lever i had installed. All the best!
Happy to hear this helped you sort out the problem. This is the reason we made this video when we helped one of our customers solve his brake locking issue. - Van
Got a pair of foldable, extendable lever for 25 quid on amazon, I've bought like 4 sets on all my different bikes, absolutely good quality, simple and robust design, nothing to fail on there, on the other hand, my XT600 had a set of ASV levers on it (they are like 80 quid EACH if i'm not mistaken), one time the bike fell off the kickstand and landed on the bars, i pick it back up, nothing special, about 20 mins later when i go to leave at the 3rd or so redlight trying to stop, going to pull the clutch in, lever snaps off and made my bike almost jump into the intersection... I've dropped, hit and clipped my bike dozens of times with these amazon levers on, they never failed or shown any signs of failure.
@Thgt Ggyh so you don't drop your bike when offroading? You are the perfect rider in that case... The XT600 is a dual sport, pretty sure the falls are from offroad riding
@Thgt Ggyh that's because the clutch lever broke and the bike launched forward you knobhead... and in no way it is because of his riding. learn to read but mostly understand
ive never had any problems with "cheap" ebay billet levers and ive used them on most of my bikes since i started riding back in 1991. used them on my suzuki katanas, gsxr's, rf900 and now my kawasaki zx14r. love them. i make sure to use synthetic grease on all of the "friction points" to make sure they always operate smoothly and blue threadlock on the nut under the levers so it has no chance of vibrating off.
Damn, glad I watched this. You probably just saved me from an upcoming crash! I'm around 3 years late to this video, not sure if you're gonna see this but I just wanna say thank you!
I'm glad I watched your video because i bought these levers and when i tested them I almost crashed due to the front brake locking up on me due to that cross pin being in that fixed position with no flex in it. Good thing I was going slow when it happened. I don't have an issue with it now since it has probably "adjusted" are my near miss. The clutch actually sticks a bit and is slow to return to the normal position thus not engaging the engine fully. I will be taking this shyt off and going with your recommendations. Thanks!
You always provide phenomenal customer service and produce quality content as well. Keep up the great work, Van - hope your son will follow your footsteps one day!
@sportbiketrackgear you just appreciate taking people's money. You are pathetic. A loser. My bet is you will be homeless in a year or two with all the sharks after you for tge money you still owe
Wow... I just bought a 2017 R6 and these MRS lever already installed on it. I’ve only ridden the bike twice so far but I won’t be riding it again until I replace those lever! This video is a life saver! Going to pick up a set of CRG levers now.
Glad I watched this, and as always, great content from you guys. I bought a ‘16 R3 which had adjustable levers on it already and today I noticed the adjustable part had just disappeared. Time to upgrade!
Another great video guys. On my R6 race bike I run CRG carbon fiber levers with the remote brake adjust. On my supermoto I'm running ASV. You get what you pay for, and levers are certainly a no compromise part, they have to perform every time. Better to spend $100 per lever than have to pay $1,000 or more to fix your bike when you crash because of crappy cheap levers.
Thank you for this information. I just happened to find this video. One of my bikes had aftermarket levers on it when i bought it. I could not figure out why the front brake was so touchy, almost like it wanted to lock up. I put a set of Parts Unlimited Honda levers back on it, now it is perfect. Crazy stuff. Thanks again!
Thanks for the warning. I had a cheep brake lever bind up on my old ZX10r a few years back, and almost had a violent crash in the middle of a busy highway. Never again will I get cheep with levers.
Are You able to remove the cross-pin from the lever on the "MZS"? If so, would you use a dremel or sandpaper to free up some space where the cross-pin goes, re-install it and have the play necessary to prevent brakes from locking up?
@@sportbiketrackgear I understand that 100%. I was shedding some light for the people that don't mind fiddling with their bike parts and would go the extra mile to make the levers work for them. But at sub $50 you should not expect the precision that's present in the premium levers
@@clintknowlton4589 .......you're only putting trust in yourself. If you don't trust yourself then, easy, don't attempt it and go out and buy premium levers instead.
First of all I want to say great safety information in this video! You had me worried since I found this video right after installing the Amazon Chinese levers on my grom and z125. I watched this video 3 or 4 times trying to understand how such a simple lever could fail like you talk about. Secondly, I wish you would've talked about the difference between axial and radial brake masters. It took me a while to realize that the grom and z125 levers are axial and don't have that cross pin bearing and that there is literally no way for those to fail, in that manner. Aside from a little up and down play (really no worse than stock) I am resting easy now lol. Thank goodness, there was no way I would've spent $200 on levers for either of those bikes.😄
I believe 95 percent of the headaches I have had in my business ( 35 years) have been caused by inferior aftermarket parts. I have had countless issues with lever fitment. I support your videos making the public aware of these poor fitting parts. Keep up the good work. If ONLY 1% of the levers sold were bad, how many people would that account for? Your body sliding across the ground isn't worth saving a buck...
Your a motorcycle mechanic? if you watch the video of the guy coming down at the 10 sec mark just before he goes down the motor soars in revs, whats that got to do with the front brake locking up? sounds like he grabbed a handful of clutch and lost control. ua-cam.com/video/gmOVptDWSPE/v-deo.html
@@sekou3758 irregardless of how this guy crashed his bike. My comment still stands about the poor quality of aftermarket parts manufacturing. I remove a lot of these levers from bikes that cause the brake Pistons to stick in causing brake drag, brake light switches to stick in or in general poor fit. I've seen quite a few of these levers break without ever having contacted the ground. As I said my comment stands about the poor quality of aftermarket parts.
@@sekou3758 he may well be right about the clutch grab, not going to deny that but as I said, my low opinion of inferior aftermarket parts still stands.
i'm going to share this with a friend of mine. he just had this same issue. i told him after the fact to never buy bike parts on ebay and amazon. luckily he didn't get hurt but he absolutely could have! thanks for putting out quality content!
I had a set of $25 ebay levers on my 2014 CBR 500r, didn't like the amount of loose give in the levers. Had them on there for a few days and took them off.
For sure the tolerances of these cheap levers is not even close to where they should be. I would leave the OEM levers on my bike before installing a cheap set. End of the day the OEM levers may lack adjust-ability but they do offer excellent feel. - Van
Yup ordered one from Amazon. I was scared when I watched this video and never bought them until recently I pulled plug after many recommending for my motorcycle. By that time I remember the watching video but didnt remember the reason not to buy. Well my break levers are so fucking simple, just a simple lever that can is held by original nut and bolt. No other bearing and stuff. After watching the video, I am so glad I bought them and not wasted $200 on CRZ. They are worth it.
Properly working brakes are more important than a working throttle or even engine. Sure, wear happens, but at the point where they don't brake anymore, you better pray you have good enough gear to take that coming impact unless you can engine brake enough to survive.
I use to stand by Chinese levers; they can definitely get the job done for the avg street rider. After converting my bike to track-only though, I was throwing the Chinese levers out by noon and putting the OEM ones back on! The play that you showed in this video is important if you're looking for the absolute most precise and smooth lever actuation. For me, with a quick-shifter, the up/down play in the (clutch) lever wasn't very bothering. My problems with the Chinese levers came when I started to heavily brake into the corners. There is SO much flex in the lever when you squeeze the piss out of it. It actually gave so much that I had to adjust my levers another 1-2 clicks, which was uncomfortable, but gave me enough stroke to not bottom out! It was crazy. I'm sticking with OEM from now on... I might do a shorty lever on the clutch side and I do I'm definitely going with a name-brand like Pazzo, CRG, etc.
Thank you for this video, was just about to purchase those cheap levers and was looking for information on UA-cam. Im a new rider and after watching this Ill be spending a hell of lot more money on my levers. Thanks
Wow, great video. I was going 110 MPH on my gsxr 750 on the highway and had CoreMoto brake lines on, first 5 miles with these levers my front tire RAPIDLY locked up and by some miracle I didnt wash out or fly over my bars. I stopped so fast form 100+MPH that i didnt even have time to merge onto the left shoulder while i was in the far most left lane! I was half sticking out in traffic. A cop and pedestrian pulled over to help me lift the front of my bike and roll the bike out of hazard. BEST BELIEVE I am spending $120 on a brake lever now!
I was about to buy this levers on amazon until I saw this video. With the video I understand what happens with the brake lever, but what would be the consecuences of the cheap levers on the clutch side only?? Thanks for the info.
Great video! Thanks :). At first, I was skeptical - "Oh great, another retailer trying to convince me to buy expensive stuff" - but what you said made total sense! Also, it was awesome that you were very respectful and made it clear you had no ill will against China, but these motorcycle levers are just dangerous. Before watching this, I was completely unaware of the axial master cylinder/lever setup, having ridden mostly dirt bikes. That being said, I believe there is room for some clarification. For this axial master cylinder/lever setup, the Chinese quality control makes these levers DANGEROUS. Even with modification and maintenance to make it smooth and tight, I am not sure how the materials would wear. HOWEVER, for simpler levers, like those on dirt bikes, without the axial design, Chinese levers should be totally fine IF you check them out to make sure they are structurally sound and don't bind at the pivot point in the master cylinder or perch. Sure, they will have more slop and be generally less refined, but they should work fine. Thanks for the great video! Cheers
If you lose your brake lever on a road bike you are in some deep shit. Is saving literally a couple of bucks worth risking yourself and your machine? - Van
Oh yeah, but there's a HUGE gap in pricing between the 'better' ones and the ones that come from China, like, £120 a set of Pazzos versus £14 from China, where they're being produced anyway!
Dirt bike rider here. It's a total waste of money buying the cheap Chinese levers, they rattle apart in no time and the tolerances are rubbish. Did it once, regretted it, now will only buy and install Zeta levers. They might cost more but they are worth every cent. Ride on!
I love STG but I also love my $30 eBay levers which are undoubtedly from China. I also know people who have had $700+ rearsets snap like toothpicks. Quality is important though and you must inspect any part that goes on your motorcycle putting safety above everything else! I think Brian does a great job of trying to educate riders and get people to focus on safety and that is never a bad thing!
I think that's pretty cavalier, considering we're talking about something that could catastrophically fail at any moment. I'll save money by buying cheap chinese made knockoffs when it's a wallet or sunglasses, but when it's something that you need to depend on to keep you safe, buyer beware.
You could apply that rationale to a great many parts on a motorcycle. Don't get me wrong, I think you absolutely SHOULD apply said rationale liberally, as motorcycles are inherently dangerous. But regardless, an aluminum bar is an aluminum bar. The line-bearing-housing interaction needs to be seated correctly, lubed, and obviously to fit with integrity. If that is the case, worry not. Either way, giving your money to STG is a good decision, so that's another plus to the expensive levers. STG takes good care of us all.
The issue with this particular lever was not caused by improper installation IMO. The tolerance between the cross pin bushing and the lever body was too tight which caused it to bind. Said binding caused the brakes to lock. - Van
I wish I’d seen this before I ordered some $25 levers off eBay!! I installed them and the brake lever wiggles like crazy, I instantly took them both off and ordered some driven halo levers from you guys!! Lesson learned!! You guys are the best!!
Try levers on a '23 XSR900 with the brembo master cylinder. One oddball. Stock pushrod threads into the stock lever pin (and glued!), stripped the push rod threads are too big to fit in the smooth hole on the adjustable cheapies. The smooth pin is hardened and is unthreadable. Apparently there is a version of the brembo push rod that isn't threaded and fits in a smooth pin hole?
I'm from China and I hate those made in China crap too. Good thing in the states is that they only priced $40,$50 each, so that way you know you are not buying any quality item. In China, they put big names on those crap and sell them at high rates. You can't really tell the differences cuz for most ppl we don't know what the authentic ones look or feel like. I hate to say this, but people can buy good things from China when those things don't require quality material or precision. Here in China, we have a motorcycle company tear a Honda cb500x apart, copied everything and changed the look a little and they say they made a new bike. Sad thing is that crap is having endless problems. It's really funny cuz it's just like a student copied No.1's homework and still failed class.
K Mason well said. Am from southAfrica but I live and work in China now! I have bought very many goods with big names but on delivery the goods are crap on quality! On the 5th of this month(5.4.2019) I bought a brand new sport bike. I think it’s called horizon am not sure of its proper name @$3400. (Us Dollars). As I talk now the thing can’t move. It’s at a repair shop now. I broke a valve in the engine coz I tried to race it a bit! Taking quick tight twisties Change gears up and down so fast. I only rode it for 160miles. Now I have to spend another $980 to get it back on the road .. but why do we have to suffer in the hands of these ruthless money minded suckers ?? They don’t care about product quality. But only want to make profit! And worst of all The dealership won’t cover the damage! Am so disappointed
The end result of the video applies to ALL riders, regarding any new gear. (no matter who makes it) Inspect your new gear, BEFORE you install them, AFTER you install them, do a pre-ride check , and then an "in/on-ride" check. If it works properly 100 percent, include it into your weekly/monthly maintenance intervals. If it does not function the way it is advertised, RETURN THEM, immediately.
STG - the same exact thing happened to me. I commented on this on this topic in one of your other videos. After my front brake locked up, I reinstalled the EOM levers later that day. As much as I would like to install aftermarket levers, that close-call experience is telling me to stay away and not roll the dice.
I bought a cheap pair of shorty levers for my 2006 R1 right when I got it. The last few years I used it to commute on the 101 and 405 freeways in LA for my job with the round trip being 80 miles each day. After 4 years I had put about 70k miles on the bike and never had any issues with the levers at all. I did initially want the ASV ones but I couldn't shell out the money at the time and then just stuck with the ebay ones. Maybe I somehow just got lucky?
For sure there are plenty of people who have had a good experience with the cheap levers. That said there are far too many who have had the brakes lock causing a crash IMO. Read through the comments on this video, several riders who had this happen have posted comments. - Van
Thanks for a clear & concise explanation. I'm so glad I came across this video just as my ebay purchases were almost complete! Needless to say, saving up my money for a much better lever set, like you suggested 👍
Thanks for this valid lesson. I was looking for new levers, trying to get a cheap replacement. Ofcourse quality doesn’t come that cheap, so I’ll look into the CRC levers instead.
I had the same thing happen to my CBR 1000RR when I bought it. Bought some levers off eBay and went for a ride and only made it about 300 yards and my front brake lock up. Each time I squeeze the lever the more it lock. I actually had to Walk home and get my wrench and swap out the levers on side of the street to even ride the bike home. If I would have made it to the interstate which was about 3 miles away it would have been really bad. I pray that I never made it. But I will never buy Chinese eBay or Amazon levers again. NEVER..... So I agree with this video 100%. Saving a few bucks isn't worth crashing a 14000 bike or worse losing my life over it.
Appreciate you sharing this man and happy to hear you did not crash your bike! Amazon has opened the door for poor quality products with crazy low prices. When you look at the listing the photos make the item look amazing, deal of the century. It leaves some people with the impression they are getting ripped off if they invest in a better quality product. Having the opportunity to compare CRG and MZS Levers side by side is not something most would ever get to do. I can tell you that there is a massive difference between them. - Van
I put some on my buddies 600rr and had the exact same thing happen. Day before a trackday so I told him go ride it to make sure it's good. He called me from the first stop sign he came to and I had to beat the pin out with a hammer and screwdriver lol
Same thing happened to me except I made it to the highway. Luckily I didn’t go down but I came to a complete stop right around a blind turn and there I was stuck in lane 2 with my bike trying to get drivers attention so me and the bike wouldn’t get hit. Shit went on for almost 10 minutes before someone finally pulled over to help. That shit was sketchy and I’m super blessed it wasn’t way way worse.
@@nathandaniel6540 Glad to hear you are ok. Tons of people have already posted comments about brakes locking in this video and it has only been up a couple days. - Brian Van
I went through 3 clutch cables on my zx10r because of the cheap levers the previous owner had installed. The cable was rubbing a sharp edge where it comes out of the elver and over time chew into the cable, fraying it and eventually the cable snapping on me! Replaced them with a set of ASVs and haven't had a problem since!
I appreciate this video. I bought a set of very high quality levers and because of this video ended up realizing a mistake I made installing them. I had sloppily applied thread lock to the front brake actuator pin and it dripped into the rotating bushing locking it into a single position. Went back to check it because of this video and realized the issue.
I don't doubt the level of Quality on a expensive line of levers is excellent. They have gorgeous products. Those are premium features that not even OEM levers have. OEM also tend to have a bit of play. I bought some nice Spiegler lines from you guys over a year ago May 2017 for my FZ1 with R1 front end fork conversion and I run them with Chinese lever and M/C. Zero problems. I also bought a used R1 that also had Chinese levers on them and they had been on the bike a long time with no issue. My brother has a 2015 R1 with them with out issues and my friend has a Triumph Street Triple that he picked used up from a shop with those type of levers already on it. All of them have seen track days and canyon/mountain rides without issue. Just by looking at the comments on here its like everyone thinks this happens all the time. If this is the cause then shouldn't it happen 100% of the time? Are those the actual levers on the customers bike? Were they tested to in fact prove this is the issue.? R&D is not done like that. And if they are truly dangerous levers why could you see them on an old clapped out bike? Dangerous is dangerous. If they are the true issue they shouldn't be on any bike. Cost of the bike is irrelevant to cost of life. Making statements like clip ons breaking under brake pressure? Support the products you sell . That's good business sense. You guys are a quality seller which is why I made a purchase from you after seeing your video also. But don't use hearsay and scare tactics and say I love Chinese people "BUT"..
Nothing in this video has been misrepresented, these levers caused the brakes to lock on the R6. I did not do this to scare people, I did it to share something I feel needs to be shared man. You are correct not all of them have issues. That said ask yourself if you want to be the guy who's brakes lock up and you fall because they did? It is also a fairly safe bet these products are not backed by any product liability insurance. While I do not know that for a fact I will say it would be very difficult to cover the expense of said insurance when you are selling a set of levers for $40. End of the day we should all do what we feel is right for us. - Van
@@deathwish8339 Porsche and Ferrari break down. We own BMW and Audi's in the family and have recalls. It happens. Nothing is perfect 100% of the time. I'm not saying the Premium Stuff isn't amazing. Ball Bearing in the adjuster is cool.But once you adjust the lever to your comfort do you ever change it? The factory OEM doesn't have that feature , so comparing it to another brand and saying its not as good because it doesnt have that feature is a bit silly. Now looking at the pivot bushing design that Brian Van pointed out IS different from the Brembo design on my R1 and the Brembo RCS design that is fairly common on many bikes. SO with the rotating bushing being tight as BV pointed out he may be right. But that is not every design .And I'm sure that you could free that bushing up fairly easy IF that was a common issue.Should you have to free a bushing? NO, but like any motorcycle maintenance it wouldn't hurt to check an make sure everything is smooth. As I looked at the comments I saw that there was a blanket response that everything NOT from a premium brand was unsafe. Should you support the premium brands since they put in the R&D that is often copied? Sure if you like. But Even the OEM copy each other as well. As far strength is concerned, all levers break in crashes regardless of make. Like I said, this not a knock to STG as I am a paying customer and follow their page.
@@chrisjones7281 Thanks for taking the time to leave this! You could 100% free up that bushing if you had enough knowledge and experience to see the need to do so. The reality is most riders do not have said knowledge nor should they need to, the levers should simply me made to the correct tolerances. I am not saying only premium brands are safe, I am saying these MSZ levers have shit tolerances and have caused the front brake to lock on several bikes (multiple comments in this video already noting brake locking). I feel best practice when shopping for brake components, levers, handlebars, rearsets and drive line components is to stick with known brands that have proven themselves to perform. Taking it a step further I also believe we should all support brands to invest in the research and development that works towards making this sport better. The motorcycle industry is very unique when you compare it to others out there. You won't find many people who make their living in this industry living in a mansion or flying in a private jet. Sure you can make a decent living if you work your ass off, passion for riding is the real driving force. - Brian Van
@@chrisjones7281 Porsche and Ferrari do break down, as do all vehicles. They also bring a somewhat unique driving exerience with their crazy performance. You are paying for the outstanding performance and relatively high reliability. A better comparison is, would you buy a known brand like Mercedes or a knockoff clone of a Mercedes like a BYD (chinese manufacturer) for 1/3rd the price. Be honest now.
Axial master cylinders use simpler levers than radial ones , that means that a cheap and even chinese levers can be used in relative safety but radial ones need really good ones ! But not just for safety but for feeling!
You are correct, now do you think most riders who purchase levers know the difference between radial and axial masters? IMO they should not have to know the difference, the levers being sold need to be manufactured to proper tolerances. - Van
Sportbike Track Gear you are absolutely right! I have some Chinese levers as spares and the difference between “good Chinese levers” and bad ones is just too much as a gamble if you don’t know what you are doing
To preface, I HATE the Chinese knock-off economy, but I disagree profoundly with the general sentiment expressed here. Drivers, and Riders even moreso because we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, should understand the simple terminology and technology involved in constructing our machines. Knowledge is power and you wouldn't need to make these videos if Riders understood simple engineering principles.
Oh man i have the same lever just on my FZ6 Clutch, the brake is OEM. But its helped pulling the clutch soo much easier, like a completely new bike. So far after a solid year of riding through every season, its held up. I will keep an eye on it though.
The levers you need to watch are the radial brake levers. I have not heard of any issues with the clutch levers. Still I would not recommend installing any sub par controls on your motorcycle. - Van
I have those same exact MZS levers installed on my new to me 16' R3, I dont even like the idea of aftermarket levers, and now that I have watched this vid i definitely know I will replace them back to stock. Thanks for sharing,
Agree 100%, people seem to think that they can pay 10% and get 100%. Not how it works! I treat the mods i make for my bike (cosmetics excluded) as if i were buying new tires, i'd not skimp out on those, so neither will i for a lever or rearset, or chain...
Every brake locking/cheap lever problem I've seen so far has been with radial master cylinders. If you don't have a radial master, you'll most likely be fine. If you do have a radial master, there's a pretty good chance you'll still be fine but you have to take a long hard look at your set up and make sure it's working right.
Radial masters are the common denominator for the locking brakes at this point for sure. That said not everyone knows the difference between radial and axial. Let's not forget the horrible tolerances these levers have. Better to leave the OEM levers on then install these MZS, they have better feel. - Van
I was very skeptical at the start of this video, but I listened to the end and I'm glad I did. I had literally just ordered levers from Amazon just like the ones that failed. Fortunately I still had time to cancel the order. I will now research levers more carefully. I did not give much thought to the purchase. They are "just" levers, right? Duh! Brakes very important, not gonna work if the levers don't... Thanks for opening my eyes a little.
So the bushing is those mzk won't rotate smoothly as I noticed. If it does rotate smooth and has good tolerance n clicker nice and tight, it should be good. I'm referring to the FXCNC lever. Clutch is excellent, but I still don't trust this brake lever for her. If no1 makes an adjustable lever for this bike, what's my next move? I may be old, but I still race here in Va....flat track
Great video. I used to have those exact levers on my bike but quickly replaced them with a pair of ASV levers. Would be interesting to show other comparisons between quality products and cheap knock offs (clip ons, rear sets etc)
My wife got the MZS levers on her 300 and it was a disaster. ( she got them second hand, and had her friend install them ) I didn't know about it but it was a complete disaster. awesome video, thank you for making this video, the world needs to know about top shelf quality levers for not only their safety, but the safety of others around them.
Thanks for sharing! We just turned this video on a couple hours back and there are already multiple comments regarding issues with these levers. One comment noted the front brake locking as well. Let's see how many more are posted after this video has been up a little longer. - Brian Van
At the annual BMW motorcycle weekend party in southern Germany, the German Police had a booth and they showed a rack of "aftermarket" stuff that is Illegal for use on German roads. Aftermarket "cheap" brake levers were on their rack. These kill riders in the Alps and elsewhere.
dude. in germany, anything that is not factory fitted or doesn't have compliance certificate for the specific model is illegal, so even your beautiful $200 levers would be defined as 'Alpine riders' killers' xD
CycleCruza got them $20 Ebay levers on his CBR1000RR with no issue, I had a set on my Ninja 300 no problem. Still using a set of $20 Ebay levers on my new Fz07, so far so good, the pull fells amazing. I can say that 95% of levers on the market r prob made in China. Not paying for $120 for a single lever. LOL
Whatever tickles your pickle man. Over the years I have installed several different brands of levers on a wide range of bikes. My opinion is based on first hand experience and information learned over an extended period of time, not 1 set of levers on one bike. There are already several comments on this 2 day old video noting brakes locking up caused by the lever. Not worth the risk. Using these levers is about as smart as wrapping your junk with knock off condoms IMO. - Van
First off, great content on the STG videos. Brian, you obviously are a smart guy with years of experience which leads you to more informed opinions. I respect the things you say based on your intelligence and experience. However, Joe Blow with limited knowledge trying to install anything that he doesn't fully understand is an accident waiting to happen. That could be levers, pegs or even something as simple as adjusting chain slack. Motorcycles aren't dangerous, tackling a job that you're unqualified for is dangerous.
ive been servicing 2 gsxr 750's from 0 Miles each. 2006 and 2017. guess what mashed my 2017. it wasnt my pair valve mod. wasnt my full exhaust i installed, or the PCM V i put in a had generic programmed myself. It was those damn levers. So joe blow cant know that his shit will vibrate loose and locked could he, or does everyone else have the ability to see in the future? ua-cam.com/video/q3zGZudOwbg/v-deo.html
this video made me check the tolerances on the mzs levers... hadn't realized how sloppy they were. not going to risk it, I ordered the upgraded OEM shorty handles from Triumph before taking the street triple to a track day. thanks for the advice STG. I even found some that are only $42 for the set, $8 more expensive than the chinese knock offs. No Brainer to stick with OEM.
Bottom line, your customer installed a bad part, then he rode around on it. This is 100% resolved by anyone with just a little common sense on install. And it needs to be said, that ANYONE who does maintenance on a bike without thorough safe review of the work, should not be riding bikes to begin with. SMH
I took good note's "THANK YOU" so much for the information you may have saved lives by putting this video out,now i will WISH for the best product,because you get what you pay for.
Love my MZS levers, spending 10% of my bikes total value on levers just seems foolish - not all cheap levers, not even all MZS levers will have this issue you're talking about. Mine don't even have that bushing - they have a spring. Work awesome and I would love to see a CRG take as much abuse as us dual sporters put onto our levers... lol. Bet you anything if I had something like those on my bike I'd have a broken perch and that's way worse than a lever breaking.
i have a pair of asv on my bikes.....and cheap chinesse on my girlfriend bikes.....for probly 8x less the price.....theyre worth it....even if they fade every 6 month.....you still win
@@thepanman8 My OEM Levers work "Perfectly". Awesome comfort, too! I wouldn't trade them for any fancy looking aftermarket folding type of garbage lever. (Ever)
My cheap levers work fine just like the majority of people on here. $30 vs $300 is just too good to pass up. I also didn't throw them on and then take off down the road wide ass open either. Test everything before you just trust them. Cheap or expensive. They're not gonna work fine for 6 months and then start locking up. These were obviously designed too tight when manufactured. My cheap front and rear stands are still holding up my bike fine for the past two years. I don't lean on them from the side like you did in your other video. Of course the name brands are better quality and have that insurance, because people will sue them for their own mistakes. I personally ain't looking to sue anyone because I rode my motorcycle like a jackass. There's some places you don't want to go cheap on though. Chains and sprockets. Cheap chains always fail and they take out legs or engines.
Let's open with the stands, I would buy a cheap stand before I would put these $35 a set levers on my bike. If the stand fails the bike falls over, you shed a couple tears, then dry said tears and pick up the bike. Installing sub-par levers, brake parts, clip ons, rearsets or drive line components on your motorcycle is not something I would recommend. If you want to save money on bike parts put a knock off exhaust on or make your own fender eliminator. Cheap sunglasses are another great way to save money. Product liability insurance is more than just coverage if a law suit is filed. IMO this is part of the whole package that makes a brand legitimate and worth investing your hard earned money when purchasing their products. Also included on this list are things like research & development, product testing, quality control and technical support (before and after the sale). All of these add layers of expense that simply need to be there to produce products worth purchasing. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I definitely love my $40 knockoff muffler. I've even had people try to tell me that would ruin my engine as well... Lol. When I ask them to explain how, they come up with nothing. Just because these cheap levers failed, doesn't mean they all will. It is a great heads up for a failure point for us to look out for. And of course the knock offs don't have R&D. They're relying on these big companies to do it. But let's be real here. There is nothing remotely close to reasonable in the cost of the name brands. It probably cost $5 in materials to make them. If they cost $50-60 a set vs $20-30 a set, I'd agree they were worth the extra money. But $200 a set vs $20-30 is not worth it in my eyes. Test the product and make sure it works. Name brand or not.
@@TEAMWRIGHTEOUS I have been doing this a long time man and can say I do not know anyone working in this industry that lives in a mansion. The motorcycle industry is different than so many out there. There just isn't crazy margin or markup in the products like you see with clothing etc... While it may take $5 in materials it also requires product liability insurance, skilled labor, really expensive machinery, etc... For sure not all of the MZS levers will fail, that said who want to be the test dummy? - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear mine aren't even a name brand cheap set. They're just red adjustable levers. Lol. But a 40x markup on a product is outrageous. Imagine if other things you bought were marked up that much. People think cellphones are expensive, but they cost about $200 to make. At 40x markup that would be $8000. They may not be living in mansions, but they ain't starving either. I definitely ain't against spending money on my bike and have bought good brakes and rotors, tires and drive chain and sprockets. But I can afford those because I get budget stuff where it's safe. I'll watch closer now on these levers as I never knew that's how they worked.
@@TEAMWRIGHTEOUS It's not a 40X mark up because the cost of the raw material is a very small percentage of the cost that go into the levers. I am no cell phone expert but I saw a documentary where a dude went to China and made his own phone using parts he bought on the street. He had next to nothing into the parts and built a working phone. To determine actual production costs for an item you have to factor in everything required for production, not just the raw materials. Before I started STG I would have agreed with you. Over the years I have learned a lot about what real expenses are and how important it is you truly understand what your operating costs are as a business. This shit is way more complicated than I expected it to be man. Took a few lumps learning these lessons along the way for sure. Anyone who really knows me will tell you I say exactly what's on my mind, zero bullshit my man. If we sell a lever for $100 we are paying approximately $70 for said lever. From there you have the free shipping (man I wish FedEx gave me free shipping), the box, health insurance, pay roll, building expenses, marketing, etc... The list is longer the character limit on UA-cam. Now if everything goes just right there will be a couple % left when it is all sorted. When I say a couple I mean low single digits. Some items are better than others to be fair, this rough formula represents more of an average end of the day. Full disclosure my brother. If you work you ass off with all the chips in the center of the table you can do alright. You may not have a private plane but you can for sure have a nice bike! - Van
do these lever company's such as CRG, vortex racing, Pazzo offer refunds if their products/levers have a issue ? If so, that is a feature that I am sure the overseas company's don't offer .
I can not speak for Pazzo as we have never offered their levers. CRG and Vortex both have excellent customer support, we are also here to support if there are any issues with their products. If they / we are unable to sort out a warranty issue we will take them back and refund you. Every situation looks a little different, bottom line is we are all here collectively to make sure you are good to go. - Brian Van
Mate, Thank you. I was just about to buy those exact Levers, I saw a Buyers comment about play & went off researching. Then I found your Vid. Looks like I will be getting some CRG spectrum Levers instead. Wont be cheap in Aussie dollars but I would rather fork out Dollars than Flesh. Made sure to post warnings on some our Facebooks groups. Your a good man!
Coming from the IT world where most things are made by a select few companies, take Dell and HP both buy their motherboards from Foxconn and are made on the same assembly line.... The point is all this trash levers, computers & underwear are all made in the same sweatshops but certain companies pay the sweatshop owner just a little more
Not really. You now know some things to watch out for with levers (thanks for the great video)! What problems will kill you with other substandard parts? I'd suggest that if you have enough knowledge to reliably spot lethal defects, you wouldn't usually be buying dangerous parts in the first place. Buying a part that will kill you, then catching that fault at inspection is a 'near miss' - the last chance before you're injured/dead. I've ridden with cheap levers, and I've had a brake lever come off while doing 70+ on a GSX-R1000 on a public road. Somehow managed to stop in time with engine braking & the rear brake, but have since only used ASV levers (DOI: now have a sponsorship with ASV). The takeaway is: don't skimp on critical parts. Just because it looks and acts like a quality part at inspection (as mine did) does not mean it will continue to function reliably.
@@canturgan One of my GSX-R1000s had a fully floating front disc with amazing calipers, pads, lines etc. Riding hard one day, I pulled on the aftermarket lever, which came apart in my hand, and I watched the parts fly down the road behind me at over 100 mph. The pads & cylinders were great, but I had no way of using them! I now have ASV levers and HEL lines etc sponsorship - I only want the best for my braking system. All I'm saying is that there are some parts that are underestimated, but actually critical in a serial system. With enough knowledge and experience you can use any part (that's what the factory do to make the bike in the first place)! Unfortunately the Dunning-Kruger effect means that those with less knowledge (like me) don't know what they don't know - hence will make critical errors when (unwittingly) working beyond our competence. I try to avoid this paradox by relying on highly-knowledgeable people (like ASV) to keep me safe, rather than unknown internet resellers. Some will have enough knowledge to be able to use such parts safely - but I suspect this would entail buying bulk quantities and testing the parts themselves - so in short I suspect this video is not aimed at them, and they are not trying to save a little money on a single pair of levers!
I have a set of this MZS on a cbr1000rr not a single problem yet but I’m not going to wait them to fail so already order a set of vortex just to upgrade a bit
A great video and great advice that’s just as relevant 4 years later. A lot of folk get seduced by the low price point and funky anodising, but like you say there are certain parts on a motorcycle that you need to be able to rely on 100%. Front brake is perhaps the most important control on any bike, it makes sense to buy quality.
i bought & installed Pazzo levers on my CB500X six months ago. I love them; Great levers; fantastic quality like CRG 🇺🇸. Pazzo levers are Made in Canada 🇨🇦.
Many thanks for this. My (ancient but great fun) 2001 Yamaha 1000 Fazer recently had a similar issue on a regular road ride. Never even thought it could be a lever problem and had the calipers checked, cleaned and taken care of. Took it to a track the next week and, whilst it didn't lock up because I wasn't braking aggressively, it stayed on for a while and I had to stop by the side of the track for a while to let the calipers free up. I'll check the lever tomorrow. It's worked perfectly for years but maybe now either worn or dirty inside.
I recently purchased a k4 gsxr750, i noticed my front brake needed alot of force to stop compared to my rear. Come to find out it had those exact cheap ebay brake lever, but it was missing that pin bushing!!!! Im glad i came across this video
I literally have the same exact levers on my cb919 and they have worked flawlessy since installed. I think I can speak for 95% of everyone watching this video and say that I'd choose a cheap $30 pair of levers over a $300 pair any day.
MZS levers come with instructions strickly made for that bushing as well as common causes of problems etc if you install it wrong.. it also states you may need to use your OEM bushing (which i did) and it comes with washers to tighten up the clearances... granted i wont attempt to compare china brands to american brands.. but ive never had a problem with cheap aftermarket levers from multiple companies... the guy with the R6 was a f***n moron who shouldve taken his bike to a shop 😂. 3 sets of levers vs 1 single lever.. i mean its a no brainer, but from a marketing & profit stand point i see why you try so hard to push the more expensive brands, because they are HIGHER quality. If you can afford it, always get the better stuff, but if you cant, nothing wrong with a few cheapy parts ^_- (Im sure these people are super nice people) hahaha, im dead 😂💯
how about when the damn float receiver for your brake actuator rattles loose and just right to apply your brakes all by themselves??? smart ass this shit is for real these levers are F****d and I am gathering as many of these MZS victims to go big on china resellers...Amazon types. and if you installed them so piss pout the brakes would be engaged or dragging a little. you would you know if you did it wrong while pushing it out of your driveway or whatever.
I know this is an old video, but wanted thank you guys!!! This is my first year back riding, and purchased an old 2007 Aprilia Tuono, it has aftermarket levers. They are ASV’s, are they an ok brand? They seem to work well, but I don’t want to find out the hard way.
I have had these MZS’s on my K1200S for years now. Have not had any issues from day one. If there was, I would have sent them right back immediately. I drive test everything I install in my driveway then around the block before I go rippin’ around. I have trusted these levers time and time again over 180mph. Maybe it’s because mine used the lower half of my stock levers and were not a direct replacement. Good video though I enjoy all of your vids. Lesson: test your stuff before you go ride.
@@jcmartinez7527 first of all, you should inspect all parts before installing them, second, just because you spend more money doesn't make you smarter. A fool and his money are easily parted. You mean to tell me that a $200 dollar pair of levers is really any different from a $35 dollar pair? A lever is literally just a stick with a hole in it. Sure the $200 dollar pair might have gorilla pussy tight tolerances and a better fit and finish than the space shuttle Atlantis but the oem levers, which everyone agrees are perfectly safe and serviceable, are sloppily made out of shitty metal because it's a low stress part. It doesn't need to hold up to the rigors a rearset or an axle would.
@@user-nb8yt2il2r you are right in terms of checking every thing for defects before you install. Buy where do you even find a 35 dollar pair of levers? And of course a 200 pair of adjustable levers CNC machined in the USA are better than some super cheap Chinese made ones.. and it's more than a stick with a hole in it if you're talking about adjustable ones
@@user-nb8yt2il2r Yes the $200 levers are different than the $35 pair, when you pay the premium for levers you’re paying for the R&D that went into the levers, the higher quality materials that went into them and the up to date tooling that makes the product, as well as finish quality and fitment. Companies like MZS don’t have the money to fund strict R&D that goes into making a safe product that stays safe through years of use, not to mention the tooling that is required to produce levers with a strict tolerance. The same goes to OEM levers, big motorcycle companies have the money to work out what I described above.
Never said that, not even close to what I said. There is a ton of great product that comes out of China at this point, these MZS levers are not on that list. The tolerances on these levers are not even close to where they need to be. In this 2 day old video there are already MULTIPLE comments about these levers causing the front brakes to lock up. - Van
I have a pair of chinese levers and the quality is definetly subpar and the adjusters have broke on one. Not going to say they will bind, but Chinese manufacturers very low quality control control and theres no doubt that some dangerous lever are making it out to customers that would have been caught by other more expensive manufacturers.
To be fair he said quite clearly he was not hating on the whole chinese industry. Shame we can't get decent products here in the uk for the same prices you guys get them at. Would have to pay obsurd fees when they arrive here in the uk
@@sportbiketrackgear I think the key with the Chinese industry is like any other - do your research and know that you may end up getting junk until you find a reputable shop. I've built high end bicycles and wheels from China and I didn't commit to a full frame etc until I checked out the quality of something smaller. Thanks for posting this and your other videos, they have been my main source of information for my latest gen R6 build. Next paycheck I'm getting the steel lines and using your video :)
The Synto Levers are made by ABM and are quality. We do not offer them because they do not have a ton of inventory here in the US and there are several other excellent options. - Van
I'M HAVING THIS SAME ISSUE ON MY 99 R1! I worked on the stock lines and rebuilt the master cylinder and thought the issue was resolved, then took the bike out for a spin only to end up having to lay it over on a freeway exit. I then rebuilt the calipers and went to test the bike again, only to have it lock up the front brakes on the freeway again. This time, I was able to keep it upright. HELP, HELP! Also, what are your opinions on Core Moto brake lines? That's the brand that I've been looking at to replace the current lines, but after watching this video, Speigler isn't much more in cost over Core Moto's set. Thanks and keep up the radtastic work fellas!
You are welcome and thanks for watching. I do not have any exeprience with Core Moto lines, sorry. We focus on Spiegler lines here and all use them on our bikes at STG. IMO if you need a set that is the way to go. - Van
ua-cam.com/video/gmOVptDWSPE/v-deo.html this shows what happens, thanks for the info great video .
Sorry to hear you crashed man. Thank you for taking the time to share the video, this will help others (well at least the ones smart enough to understand we a just trying to educate them) from having a similar experience. - Van
Sportbike Track Gear Sorry I don’t want to mislead you, it wasn’t me in the Video. It belongs to someone called Cory. He put up such a good description of what caused the crash and it’s basically what you are stating! His and your video has stopped me buying cheap aftermarket levers.There is also a crash of someone on a track day, in the UK going flat Out, the front wheel locks and he totals the bike but walks away.If it had been on the streets I’m sure he would be dead.
Lol that dude just grabbed the front brake riding one handed
@@sportbiketrackgear So must this thing move or not, the guy in the vid says he crashed because it was moving ..
Thks For Sharing mate!
your shirt must have high quality buttons
Lol
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HAHA!!!
Don't sneeze.
Bahahhaha stop it
I’ve never had 1 single issue from the eBay levers and I’ve bought like 3 sets for my R6. The only downside is that the black fades into this gold-ish color. I won’t be suckered into spending $100+ for some levers. They shouldn’t cost that much. Everyone has different experiences and opinions about the “good stuff”. I’ll stick with my eBay levers and spend the $80-$90 I saved by not buying ASV levers on something else.
yea, something else like your hospital bills once the lever suddenly stops functioning
Xta-C Dummy. They work fine and will continue to do so.
And that was the last thing RAD Chili ever said before he ran through a busy intersection and got trampled by a semi. According to authorities, cause of fatality was traced down to brake failure.
@@user-cg9vp9bf5d I'll just tag in.. I have these exact levers in the video and unless theres a new design they dont have this problem his speaking of.. no binding the pin lock thing his talking about is free an loose...
@@robzillagarage but now we know what problems could arise from the Chinese levers. Only thing that needs to be done is test it out and see if it binds or not. If it does, tell the seller it's crap and you get your money back (if you buy it on aliexpress). No harm done. You can do this until you get a fully functioning one. That's it.
Thank you for putting this out there. My front wheel almost locked up after installing a set of these cheap levers. There are videos on UA-cam of crashes caused by these levers. Not worth it. Brian is spot on.
You're welcome and thanks for watching! - Van
if your brakes locked up after you installed aftermarket levers, its probably because you installed them incorrectly.
I've installed cnc levers from China on my gen 1 fazer 1000, not an ounce of problems at all, and as to the allowed movement of the pin on the end of the clutch and brake cables, I've messed around with bike ones, they don't move, they're not supposed to move, why would you want them to move??? That's just gives another strain point on the cable, it needs to be rigid
Your a moroon You have to grease these period you also have to tighten the Allen and bolt to desired tension.
@@christopherdonlick9119thank you these morons
I'm rushing out to check my aftermarket levers. This vid has put chills up my spine. I am usually extremely safety conscience yet how could I have allowed myself to be so trusting with the quality of so critical a product. Your vid is a wake-up call for me. And potentially a lifesaver! Thankyou.
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Van
Dont be a pussy
I have MZS levers on my bike and had them on my previous bike. You do have to check that bearing on these cheap-os. Thank you for spreading awareness of a major safety issue. Having never been exposed to the higher end product I never knew what that extra money was buying. I will keep a closer eye on my MZS levers and add better parts to my Christmas list.
Remove them immediately had this happen to me on shit levers
I respect as a businessman for actually caring for your customers and looking up someone on UA-cam that ordered something from your website and you were able to reach out to him and resolve his issue!
Appreciate that! - Van
Never had a problem with cheap levers, had them on about 6 different bikes! And will continue to buy them
Me too dude. I actually just bought a set of the mzs that he discusses first, and i love em
I bought the blk& red "ride it" levers and outta the box the blind hole for the pin was "loosey goosey" there was SOME play all I did was tighten the nut on bottom a little and slapped a little grease on it good to go and the shorty size was a little longer than rc2.but other than that they been good to go for 6yrs now.
Great that you let people know this issue! Makes you think twice and spend a bit more for quality
Dude, this video helped me heaps. Love the channel and always learn something new. My brakes locked up as you have described and after tons of money spent and time looking for the boogie man, it was the new lever i had installed.
All the best!
Happy to hear this helped you sort out the problem. This is the reason we made this video when we helped one of our customers solve his brake locking issue. - Van
Can you make a video about wearing the correct sized clothing :D
I am giving you a great example right here man, you're welcome!
That's a race fit shirt, nothing wrong here 😂
Ha!
@@sportbiketrackgear 🤣🤣🤣🤣 duuuude
hater idiot
Got a pair of foldable, extendable lever for 25 quid on amazon, I've bought like 4 sets on all my different bikes, absolutely good quality, simple and robust design, nothing to fail on there, on the other hand, my XT600 had a set of ASV levers on it (they are like 80 quid EACH if i'm not mistaken), one time the bike fell off the kickstand and landed on the bars, i pick it back up, nothing special, about 20 mins later when i go to leave at the 3rd or so redlight trying to stop, going to pull the clutch in, lever snaps off and made my bike almost jump into the intersection... I've dropped, hit and clipped my bike dozens of times with these amazon levers on, they never failed or shown any signs of failure.
@Thgt Ggyh so you don't drop your bike when offroading? You are the perfect rider in that case... The XT600 is a dual sport, pretty sure the falls are from offroad riding
@Thgt Ggyh that's because the clutch lever broke and the bike launched forward you knobhead... and in no way it is because of his riding. learn to read but mostly understand
I appreciate you taking the time out to do this and looking out for fellow riders!!!
Thank you for watching! - Van
ive never had any problems with "cheap" ebay billet levers and ive used them on most of my bikes since i started riding back in 1991. used them on my suzuki katanas, gsxr's, rf900 and now my kawasaki zx14r. love them. i make sure to use synthetic grease on all of the "friction points" to make sure they always operate smoothly and blue threadlock on the nut under the levers so it has no chance of vibrating off.
Happy to hear you have had a good experience using these junk levers on your bikes. Personally I would not install them on a riding lawnmower. - Van
Damn, glad I watched this. You probably just saved me from an upcoming crash! I'm around 3 years late to this video, not sure if you're gonna see this but I just wanna say thank you!
You are welcome, happy to help out. - Van
Thanks! Installed a pair of the MZS's and the clutch lever keeps rolling in on me. I am pulling them off now!
I'm glad I watched your video because i bought these levers and when i tested them I almost crashed due to the front brake locking up on me due to that cross pin being in that fixed position with no flex in it. Good thing I was going slow when it happened. I don't have an issue with it now since it has probably "adjusted" are my near miss. The clutch actually sticks a bit and is slow to return to the normal position thus not engaging the engine fully. I will be taking this shyt off and going with your recommendations. Thanks!
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Brian Van
You always provide phenomenal customer service and produce quality content as well.
Keep up the great work, Van - hope your son will follow your footsteps one day!
Appreciate the kind words for sure. There is a very good chance Max Van will take over some day and take STG farther than I ever could. - Van
Quit sitting on his D begging for freebies 😂 the guy is a lowlife scumbag selling ChiNa garbage with huge markups. Don't be a fool
@sportbiketrackgear you just appreciate taking people's money. You are pathetic. A loser. My bet is you will be homeless in a year or two with all the sharks after you for tge money you still owe
True shouldn't risk your life just to get cheap and bad quality product.. life is priceless
Wow... I just bought a 2017 R6 and these MRS lever already installed on it. I’ve only ridden the bike twice so far but I won’t be riding it again until I replace those lever! This video is a life saver! Going to pick up a set of CRG levers now.
Happy to help out. This is the kind of shit people need to know. Enjoy the new bike. - Van
Need Help,Cant decide between MGP or CRG levers ,I got 2017 gsxr1000R .Thanks for your Answer
I would go with the CRG over the MGP. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear ❤️🤟
Glad I watched this, and as always, great content from you guys. I bought a ‘16 R3 which had adjustable levers on it already and today I noticed the adjustable part had just disappeared. Time to upgrade!
Never go with cheap controls. - Van
What I like about this channel is not only they give you advises, they also show you why.
Thanks!
You are welcome and we appreciate your support! - Van
Another great video guys. On my R6 race bike I run CRG carbon fiber levers with the remote brake adjust. On my supermoto I'm running ASV. You get what you pay for, and levers are certainly a no compromise part, they have to perform every time. Better to spend $100 per lever than have to pay $1,000 or more to fix your bike when you crash because of crappy cheap levers.
We are 100% on the same page. - Van
Thank you for this information. I just happened to find this video. One of my bikes had aftermarket levers on it when i bought it. I could not figure out why the front brake was so touchy, almost like it wanted to lock up. I put a set of Parts Unlimited Honda levers back on it, now it is perfect. Crazy stuff. Thanks again!
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Van
Thanks for the warning. I had a cheep brake lever bind up on my old ZX10r a few years back, and almost had a violent crash in the middle of a busy highway. Never again will I get cheep with levers.
Sorry to hear that happened and thank you for watching! - Van
Are You able to remove the cross-pin from the lever on the "MZS"? If so, would you use a dremel or sandpaper to free up some space where the cross-pin goes, re-install it and have the play necessary to prevent brakes from locking up?
You should not have to do that, the lever should be good to go out of the box. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I understand that 100%. I was shedding some light for the people that don't mind fiddling with their bike parts and would go the extra mile to make the levers work for them. But at sub $50 you should not expect the precision that's present in the premium levers
I deff want to trust my brakes to a home dremel job......
@@clintknowlton4589 .......you're only putting trust in yourself. If you don't trust yourself then, easy, don't attempt it and go out and buy premium levers instead.
First of all I want to say great safety information in this video! You had me worried since I found this video right after installing the Amazon Chinese levers on my grom and z125. I watched this video 3 or 4 times trying to understand how such a simple lever could fail like you talk about. Secondly, I wish you would've talked about the difference between axial and radial brake masters. It took me a while to realize that the grom and z125 levers are axial and don't have that cross pin bearing and that there is literally no way for those to fail, in that manner. Aside from a little up and down play (really no worse than stock) I am resting easy now lol. Thank goodness, there was no way I would've spent $200 on levers for either of those bikes.😄
You will not have the problem described in this video with your Z. - Van
I believe 95 percent of the headaches I have had in my business ( 35 years) have been caused by inferior aftermarket parts. I have had countless issues with lever fitment. I support your videos making the public aware of these poor fitting parts. Keep up the good work. If ONLY 1% of the levers sold were bad, how many people would that account for? Your body sliding across the ground isn't worth saving a buck...
Your a motorcycle mechanic? if you watch the video of the guy coming down at the 10 sec mark just before he goes down the motor soars in revs, whats that got to do with the front brake locking up? sounds like he grabbed a handful of clutch and lost control.
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@@kx501 my comment stands.
@@patrickscycleshop It still stands? Without even addressing what @Bike Modder said?
@@sekou3758 irregardless of how this guy crashed his bike. My comment still stands about the poor quality of aftermarket parts manufacturing. I remove a lot of these levers from bikes that cause the brake Pistons to stick in causing brake drag, brake light switches to stick in or in general poor fit. I've seen quite a few of these levers break without ever having contacted the ground. As I said my comment stands about the poor quality of aftermarket parts.
@@sekou3758 he may well be right about the clutch grab, not going to deny that but as I said, my low opinion of inferior aftermarket parts still stands.
i'm going to share this with a friend of mine. he just had this same issue. i told him after the fact to never buy bike parts on ebay and amazon. luckily he didn't get hurt but he absolutely could have! thanks for putting out quality content!
You are welcome and thanks for watching! - Van
I had a set of $25 ebay levers on my 2014 CBR 500r, didn't like the amount of loose give in the levers. Had them on there for a few days and took them off.
For sure the tolerances of these cheap levers is not even close to where they should be. I would leave the OEM levers on my bike before installing a cheap set. End of the day the OEM levers may lack adjust-ability but they do offer excellent feel. - Van
My OEM levers dont even have those bushings
Yup ordered one from Amazon. I was scared when I watched this video and never bought them until recently I pulled plug after many recommending for my motorcycle. By that time I remember the watching video but didnt remember the reason not to buy.
Well my break levers are so fucking simple, just a simple lever that can is held by original nut and bolt. No other bearing and stuff.
After watching the video, I am so glad I bought them and not wasted $200 on CRZ. They are worth it.
jay patel can you supply the link to the levers? Thanks
@quadruple treble 1888 lol I mean if you life is worth saving a few pennies then good for you
Properly working brakes are more important than a working throttle or even engine. Sure, wear happens, but at the point where they don't brake anymore, you better pray you have good enough gear to take that coming impact unless you can engine brake enough to survive.
I been riding for more then 12 years I believe If I am meant to die , I will die now matter if I have Pazzos or CRG.
I use to stand by Chinese levers; they can definitely get the job done for the avg street rider. After converting my bike to track-only though, I was throwing the Chinese levers out by noon and putting the OEM ones back on! The play that you showed in this video is important if you're looking for the absolute most precise and smooth lever actuation. For me, with a quick-shifter, the up/down play in the (clutch) lever wasn't very bothering. My problems with the Chinese levers came when I started to heavily brake into the corners. There is SO much flex in the lever when you squeeze the piss out of it. It actually gave so much that I had to adjust my levers another 1-2 clicks, which was uncomfortable, but gave me enough stroke to not bottom out! It was crazy. I'm sticking with OEM from now on... I might do a shorty lever on the clutch side and I do I'm definitely going with a name-brand like Pazzo, CRG, etc.
I got vortex lever for brake and use Chinese for clutch. The vortex came with the same knuckle as the Chinese one
Thank you for this video, was just about to purchase those cheap levers and was looking for information on UA-cam. Im a new rider and after watching this Ill be spending a hell of lot more money on my levers. Thanks
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Van
Wow, great video. I was going 110 MPH on my gsxr 750 on the highway and had CoreMoto brake lines on, first 5 miles with these levers my front tire RAPIDLY locked up and by some miracle I didnt wash out or fly over my bars. I stopped so fast form 100+MPH that i didnt even have time to merge onto the left shoulder while i was in the far most left lane! I was half sticking out in traffic. A cop and pedestrian pulled over to help me lift the front of my bike and roll the bike out of hazard. BEST BELIEVE I am spending $120 on a brake lever now!
Happy to hear you did not crash. - Van
I was about to buy this levers on amazon until I saw this video. With the video I understand what happens with the brake lever, but what would be the consecuences of the cheap levers on the clutch side only?? Thanks for the info.
You should be good to go with the clutch side. Still not great quality, just won't really be risking your personal safety. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear thanks for the reply, suscribed!!👍
Great video! Thanks :). At first, I was skeptical - "Oh great, another retailer trying to convince me to buy expensive stuff" - but what you said made total sense! Also, it was awesome that you were very respectful and made it clear you had no ill will against China, but these motorcycle levers are just dangerous. Before watching this, I was completely unaware of the axial master cylinder/lever setup, having ridden mostly dirt bikes.
That being said, I believe there is room for some clarification. For this axial master cylinder/lever setup, the Chinese quality control makes these levers DANGEROUS. Even with modification and maintenance to make it smooth and tight, I am not sure how the materials would wear.
HOWEVER, for simpler levers, like those on dirt bikes, without the axial design, Chinese levers should be totally fine IF you check them out to make sure they are structurally sound and don't bind at the pivot point in the master cylinder or perch. Sure, they will have more slop and be generally less refined, but they should work fine.
Thanks for the great video!
Cheers
If you lose your brake lever on a road bike you are in some deep shit. Is saving literally a couple of bucks worth risking yourself and your machine? - Van
Oh yeah, but there's a HUGE gap in pricing between the 'better' ones and the ones that come from China, like, £120 a set of Pazzos versus £14 from China, where they're being produced anyway!
Dirt bike rider here. It's a total waste of money buying the cheap Chinese levers, they rattle apart in no time and the tolerances are rubbish. Did it once, regretted it, now will only buy and install Zeta levers. They might cost more but they are worth every cent. Ride on!
I love STG but I also love my $30 eBay levers which are undoubtedly from China. I also know people who have had $700+ rearsets snap like toothpicks. Quality is important though and you must inspect any part that goes on your motorcycle putting safety above everything else! I think Brian does a great job of trying to educate riders and get people to focus on safety and that is never a bad thing!
Agreed. It sounds like the story was 1 part cheap lever, 9 parts poor installation and poor testing.
I think that's pretty cavalier, considering we're talking about something that could catastrophically fail at any moment. I'll save money by buying cheap chinese made knockoffs when it's a wallet or sunglasses, but when it's something that you need to depend on to keep you safe, buyer beware.
You could apply that rationale to a great many parts on a motorcycle. Don't get me wrong, I think you absolutely SHOULD apply said rationale liberally, as motorcycles are inherently dangerous. But regardless, an aluminum bar is an aluminum bar. The line-bearing-housing interaction needs to be seated correctly, lubed, and obviously to fit with integrity. If that is the case, worry not.
Either way, giving your money to STG is a good decision, so that's another plus to the expensive levers. STG takes good care of us all.
The issue with this particular lever was not caused by improper installation IMO. The tolerance between the cross pin bushing and the lever body was too tight which caused it to bind. Said binding caused the brakes to lock. - Van
Well said my man! If the $4 sunglasses shit the bed you just throw them in the trash and move on. - Van
I wish I’d seen this before I ordered some $25 levers off eBay!! I installed them and the brake lever wiggles like crazy, I instantly took them both off and ordered some driven halo levers from you guys!! Lesson learned!! You guys are the best!!
Thank you for the order and for watching. When we come across something like this we like to share it. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear Let me tell you, your videos have saved me and my buddies THOUSANDS in labor costs Van!! We love you guys at STG!!!!
Try levers on a '23 XSR900 with the brembo master cylinder. One oddball. Stock pushrod threads into the stock lever pin (and glued!), stripped the push rod threads are too big to fit in the smooth hole on the adjustable cheapies. The smooth pin is hardened and is unthreadable. Apparently there is a version of the brembo push rod that isn't threaded and fits in a smooth pin hole?
In come cases the OEM levers are the best option. - Van
Man I’m glad I watched this , just so happens I ordered the crg black with blue clickers for my 2018 cbr 1000rr. I was glad u said these are good
I'm from China and I hate those made in China crap too. Good thing in the states is that they only priced $40,$50 each, so that way you know you are not buying any quality item.
In China, they put big names on those crap and sell them at high rates. You can't really tell the differences cuz for most ppl we don't know what the authentic ones look or feel like.
I hate to say this, but people can buy good things from China when those things don't require quality material or precision.
Here in China, we have a motorcycle company tear a Honda cb500x apart, copied everything and changed the look a little and they say they made a new bike.
Sad thing is that crap is having endless problems. It's really funny cuz it's just like a student copied No.1's homework and still failed class.
Appreciate you sharing your perspective my friend. - Van
国内没有市场 环境 说实话我觉得抄没有问题 但是久了也要拿出点自己的能拿出手的东西
@@para39gt 我没有反对抄，世界大厂都在抄，有厂商租一辆特斯拉全部拆下来抄，我反对的是，既然抄了，省去了所有研发费用，那么就应该抄抄好，把配置和材质提升一下。给用户一个更好也更廉价的选择。全部抄一遍下来还是没抄好，这不是来搞笑的吗
孔目兴 just like what I said
K Mason well said. Am from southAfrica but I live and work in China now! I have bought very many goods with big names but on delivery the goods are crap on quality! On the 5th of this month(5.4.2019) I bought a brand new sport bike. I think it’s called horizon am not sure of its proper name @$3400. (Us Dollars). As I talk now the thing can’t move. It’s at a repair shop now. I broke a valve in the engine coz I tried to race it a bit! Taking quick tight twisties Change gears up and down so fast. I only rode it for 160miles. Now I have to spend another $980 to get it back on the road .. but why do we have to suffer in the hands of these ruthless money minded suckers ?? They don’t care about product quality. But only want to make profit! And worst of all The dealership won’t cover the damage! Am so disappointed
The end result of the video applies to ALL riders, regarding any new gear. (no matter who makes it) Inspect your new gear, BEFORE you install them, AFTER you install them, do a pre-ride check , and then an "in/on-ride" check. If it works properly 100 percent, include it into your weekly/monthly maintenance intervals. If it does not function the way it is advertised, RETURN THEM, immediately.
STG - the same exact thing happened to me. I commented on this on this topic in one of your other videos. After my front brake locked up, I reinstalled the EOM levers later that day. As much as I would like to install aftermarket levers, that close-call experience is telling me to stay away and not roll the dice.
same experience ...putting my original OEM levers back on also
I bought a cheap pair of shorty levers for my 2006 R1 right when I got it. The last few years I used it to commute on the 101 and 405 freeways in LA for my job with the round trip being 80 miles each day. After 4 years I had put about 70k miles on the bike and never had any issues with the levers at all. I did initially want the ASV ones but I couldn't shell out the money at the time and then just stuck with the ebay ones. Maybe I somehow just got lucky?
For sure there are plenty of people who have had a good experience with the cheap levers. That said there are far too many who have had the brakes lock causing a crash IMO. Read through the comments on this video, several riders who had this happen have posted comments. - Van
Thanks for a clear & concise explanation. I'm so glad I came across this video just as my ebay purchases were almost complete! Needless to say, saving up my money for a much better lever set, like you suggested 👍
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Van
Thanks for this valid lesson. I was looking for new levers, trying to get a cheap replacement. Ofcourse quality doesn’t come that cheap, so I’ll look into the CRC levers instead.
You are welcome and thanks for watching! - Van
I had the same thing happen to my CBR 1000RR when I bought it. Bought some levers off eBay and went for a ride and only made it about 300 yards and my front brake lock up. Each time I squeeze the lever the more it lock. I actually had to Walk home and get my wrench and swap out the levers on side of the street to even ride the bike home. If I would have made it to the interstate which was about 3 miles away it would have been really bad. I pray that I never made it. But I will never buy Chinese eBay or Amazon levers again. NEVER..... So I agree with this video 100%. Saving a few bucks isn't worth crashing a 14000 bike or worse losing my life over it.
Appreciate you sharing this man and happy to hear you did not crash your bike! Amazon has opened the door for poor quality products with crazy low prices. When you look at the listing the photos make the item look amazing, deal of the century. It leaves some people with the impression they are getting ripped off if they invest in a better quality product.
Having the opportunity to compare CRG and MZS Levers side by side is not something most would ever get to do. I can tell you that there is a massive difference between them. - Van
I put some on my buddies 600rr and had the exact same thing happen. Day before a trackday so I told him go ride it to make sure it's good. He called me from the first stop sign he came to and I had to beat the pin out with a hammer and screwdriver lol
Same thing happened to me except I made it to the highway. Luckily I didn’t go down but I came to a complete stop right around a blind turn and there I was stuck in lane 2 with my bike trying to get drivers attention so me and the bike wouldn’t get hit. Shit went on for almost 10 minutes before someone finally pulled over to help. That shit was sketchy and I’m super blessed it wasn’t way way worse.
@@yteka99 Thanks for sharing, already a ton of brake locking comments on this video. - Van
@@nathandaniel6540 Glad to hear you are ok. Tons of people have already posted comments about brakes locking in this video and it has only been up a couple days. - Brian Van
I went through 3 clutch cables on my zx10r because of the cheap levers the previous owner had installed. The cable was rubbing a sharp edge where it comes out of the elver and over time chew into the cable, fraying it and eventually the cable snapping on me! Replaced them with a set of ASVs and haven't had a problem since!
ASV makes an excellent lever. Thanks for sharing this, another example of how a cheap lever will cost you more than you saved. - Van
I appreciate this video. I bought a set of very high quality levers and because of this video ended up realizing a mistake I made installing them. I had sloppily applied thread lock to the front brake actuator pin and it dripped into the rotating bushing locking it into a single position. Went back to check it because of this video and realized the issue.
Happy to hear this was helpful! - Van
I don't doubt the level of Quality on a expensive line of levers is excellent. They have gorgeous products. Those are premium features that not even OEM levers have. OEM also tend to have a bit of play. I bought some nice Spiegler lines from you guys over a year ago May 2017 for my FZ1 with R1 front end fork conversion and I run them with Chinese lever and M/C. Zero problems. I also bought a used R1 that also had Chinese levers on them and they had been on the bike a long time with no issue. My brother has a 2015 R1 with them with out issues and my friend has a Triumph Street Triple that he picked used up from a shop with those type of levers already on it. All of them have seen track days and canyon/mountain rides without issue.
Just by looking at the comments on here its like everyone thinks this happens all the time. If this is the cause then shouldn't it happen 100% of the time? Are those the actual levers on the customers bike? Were they tested to in fact prove this is the issue.? R&D is not done like that. And if they are truly dangerous levers why could you see them on an old clapped out bike? Dangerous is dangerous. If they are the true issue they shouldn't be on any bike. Cost of the bike is irrelevant to cost of life. Making statements like clip ons breaking under brake pressure?
Support the products you sell . That's good business sense. You guys are a quality seller which is why I made a purchase from you after seeing your video also. But don't use hearsay and scare tactics and say I love Chinese people "BUT"..
Nothing in this video has been misrepresented, these levers caused the brakes to lock on the R6. I did not do this to scare people, I did it to share something I feel needs to be shared man. You are correct not all of them have issues. That said ask yourself if you want to be the guy who's brakes lock up and you fall because they did? It is also a fairly safe bet these products are not backed by any product liability insurance. While I do not know that for a fact I will say it would be very difficult to cover the expense of said insurance when you are selling a set of levers for $40. End of the day we should all do what we feel is right for us. - Van
It only has to happen once. Someone tells me a dog bites, I dont go pet it because he looks fine.
@@deathwish8339 Porsche and Ferrari break down. We own BMW and Audi's in the family and have recalls. It happens. Nothing is perfect 100% of the time. I'm not saying the Premium Stuff isn't amazing. Ball Bearing in the adjuster is cool.But once you adjust the lever to your comfort do you ever change it? The factory OEM doesn't have that feature , so comparing it to another brand and saying its not as good because it doesnt have that feature is a bit silly. Now looking at the pivot bushing design that Brian Van pointed out IS different from the Brembo design on my R1 and the Brembo RCS design that is fairly common on many bikes. SO with the rotating bushing being tight as BV pointed out he may be right. But that is not every design .And I'm sure that you could free that bushing up fairly easy IF that was a common issue.Should you have to free a bushing? NO, but like any motorcycle maintenance it wouldn't hurt to check an make sure everything is smooth. As I looked at the comments I saw that there was a blanket response that everything NOT from a premium brand was unsafe. Should you support the premium brands since they put in the R&D that is often copied? Sure if you like. But Even the OEM copy each other as well. As far strength is concerned, all levers break in crashes regardless of make. Like I said, this not a knock to STG as I am a paying customer and follow their page.
@@chrisjones7281 Thanks for taking the time to leave this! You could 100% free up that bushing if you had enough knowledge and experience to see the need to do so. The reality is most riders do not have said knowledge nor should they need to, the levers should simply me made to the correct tolerances. I am not saying only premium brands are safe, I am saying these MSZ levers have shit tolerances and have caused the front brake to lock on several bikes (multiple comments in this video already noting brake locking).
I feel best practice when shopping for brake components, levers, handlebars, rearsets and drive line components is to stick with known brands that have proven themselves to perform. Taking it a step further I also believe we should all support brands to invest in the research and development that works towards making this sport better. The motorcycle industry is very unique when you compare it to others out there. You won't find many people who make their living in this industry living in a mansion or flying in a private jet. Sure you can make a decent living if you work your ass off, passion for riding is the real driving force. - Brian Van
@@chrisjones7281 Porsche and Ferrari do break down, as do all vehicles. They also bring a somewhat unique driving exerience with their crazy performance. You are paying for the outstanding performance and relatively high reliability. A better comparison is, would you buy a known brand like Mercedes or a knockoff clone of a Mercedes like a BYD (chinese manufacturer) for 1/3rd the price. Be honest now.
Axial master cylinders use simpler levers than radial ones , that means that a cheap and even chinese levers can be used in relative safety but radial ones need really good ones ! But not just for safety but for feeling!
You are correct, now do you think most riders who purchase levers know the difference between radial and axial masters? IMO they should not have to know the difference, the levers being sold need to be manufactured to proper tolerances. - Van
Sportbike Track Gear you are absolutely right! I have some Chinese levers as spares and the difference between “good Chinese levers” and bad ones is just too much as a gamble if you don’t know what you are doing
To preface, I HATE the Chinese knock-off economy, but I disagree profoundly with the general sentiment expressed here. Drivers, and Riders even moreso because we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, should understand the simple terminology and technology involved in constructing our machines. Knowledge is power and you wouldn't need to make these videos if Riders understood simple engineering principles.
HI BRIAN,
am going to change the stock break lever , clutch lever. thank you for the info Gosh.
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Oh man i have the same lever just on my FZ6 Clutch, the brake is OEM.
But its helped pulling the clutch soo much easier, like a completely new bike. So far after a solid year of riding through every season, its held up.
I will keep an eye on it though.
The levers you need to watch are the radial brake levers. I have not heard of any issues with the clutch levers. Still I would not recommend installing any sub par controls on your motorcycle. - Van
I have those same exact MZS levers installed on my new to me 16' R3, I dont even like the idea of aftermarket levers, and now that I have watched this vid i definitely know I will replace them back to stock. Thanks for sharing,
You are welcome and thanks for watching. - Van
I almost bought a set of this pos's ! Thanks for the heads up. I'm ordering Crg's now! I'll be placing a order with you guys soon!
Appreciate the support, you will love the CRG levers. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear same here
Agree 100%, people seem to think that they can pay 10% and get 100%. Not how it works! I treat the mods i make for my bike (cosmetics excluded) as if i were buying new tires, i'd not skimp out on those, so neither will i for a lever or rearset, or chain...
@@Patrickisnt ha ha, example, my XJR1300 - front wheel OEM bearing (NSK) 20 Euros, go to any shop and the same bearing is 10, be it SKF, Koyo, NSK :D
with expensive levers you pay 500% and still get 100% at the most ;)
Every brake locking/cheap lever problem I've seen so far has been with radial master cylinders. If you don't have a radial master, you'll most likely be fine. If you do have a radial master, there's a pretty good chance you'll still be fine but you have to take a long hard look at your set up and make sure it's working right.
Radial masters are the common denominator for the locking brakes at this point for sure. That said not everyone knows the difference between radial and axial. Let's not forget the horrible tolerances these levers have. Better to leave the OEM levers on then install these MZS, they have better feel. - Van
I was very skeptical at the start of this video, but I listened to the end and I'm glad I did. I had literally just ordered levers from Amazon just like the ones that failed. Fortunately I still had time to cancel the order. I will now research levers more carefully. I did not give much thought to the purchase. They are "just" levers, right? Duh! Brakes very important, not gonna work if the levers don't... Thanks for opening my eyes a little.
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Van
So the bushing is those mzk won't rotate smoothly as I noticed. If it does rotate smooth and has good tolerance n clicker nice and tight, it should be good. I'm referring to the FXCNC lever.
Clutch is excellent, but I still don't trust this brake lever for her.
If no1 makes an adjustable lever for this bike, what's my next move? I may be old, but I still race here in Va....flat track
The moral to the story is only install quality controls on your bike. If no one makes an adjustable lever the only option is to use the OEM. - Van
Great video. I used to have those exact levers on my bike but quickly replaced them with a pair of ASV levers. Would be interesting to show other comparisons between quality products and cheap knock offs (clip ons, rear sets etc)
He did one for motorcycle stand and a lot of people with the cheap shit slammed him for it. sigh...cheap people is gonna be cheap.
All the Chinese levers are shit nothing to know
Got it. When i take it to the track I'll use OEM levers
I am a 60-year-old Canadian I've been riding since the age of 15 I truly enjoy your videos find them very educational keep up the good work thanks man
My wife got the MZS levers on her 300 and it was a disaster. ( she got them second hand, and had her friend install them ) I didn't know about it but it was a complete disaster. awesome video, thank you for making this video, the world needs to know about top shelf quality levers for not only their safety, but the safety of others around them.
Thanks for sharing! We just turned this video on a couple hours back and there are already multiple comments regarding issues with these levers. One comment noted the front brake locking as well. Let's see how many more are posted after this video has been up a little longer. - Brian Van
At the annual BMW motorcycle weekend party in southern Germany, the German Police had a booth and they showed a rack of "aftermarket" stuff that is Illegal for use on German roads. Aftermarket "cheap" brake levers were on their rack. These kill riders in the Alps and elsewhere.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to share this. IMO this is a real problem from hard parts to safety gear that needs to be sorted out. - Van
I'm with you too bro, I believe 100% these are dangerous and SHOULD be OUTLAWED IN THE USA as well!
Exactly how do the German Police identify "cheap" aftermarket levers?!
@@hoomannili My question too.
dude. in germany, anything that is not factory fitted or doesn't have compliance certificate for the specific model is illegal, so even your beautiful $200 levers would be defined as 'Alpine riders' killers' xD
CycleCruza got them $20 Ebay levers on his CBR1000RR with no issue, I had a set on my Ninja 300 no problem. Still using a set of $20 Ebay levers on my new Fz07, so far so good, the pull fells amazing. I can say that 95% of levers on the market r prob made in China. Not paying for $120 for a single lever. LOL
Whatever tickles your pickle man. Over the years I have installed several different brands of levers on a wide range of bikes. My opinion is based on first hand experience and information learned over an extended period of time, not 1 set of levers on one bike. There are already several comments on this 2 day old video noting brakes locking up caused by the lever. Not worth the risk. Using these levers is about as smart as wrapping your junk with knock off condoms IMO. - Van
I didn't know thay made after market levers for Chinese scoootaasss
You are taking advice from CycleCruza?😳 good luck.
should i taking advice from u? hahahaha@@sapalobo9723
@@LeaveYouOnRead probably not, but I stand by this one.
The tolerances are so tight on the CRGs they give Brian's shirt a run for it's money! 😂
Joking aside I'm going to get some CRGs now
Great comment! - Van
Went to salvaged bikes on ebay. Started to notice these same levels on a couple of low mileage bikes with minor crash damage. Had to wonder if.....
I would not be surprised. - Van
www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Triumph-Street-Triple/192740810497?hash=item2ce03f5f01:g:mpMAAOSwHn9btk-v&vxp=mtr
Thanks for the video and what to look for. I just put some shorty levers on my 636. Actually took them off to verify their tolerance and action.
You are welcome and thanks for watching! - Van
First off, great content on the STG videos. Brian, you obviously are a smart guy with years of experience which leads you to more informed opinions. I respect the things you say based on your intelligence and experience. However, Joe Blow with limited knowledge trying to install anything that he doesn't fully understand is an accident waiting to happen. That could be levers, pegs or even something as simple as adjusting chain slack. Motorcycles aren't dangerous, tackling a job that you're unqualified for is dangerous.
Thanks man, appreciate the kind words. - Van
ive been servicing 2 gsxr 750's from 0 Miles each. 2006 and 2017. guess what mashed my 2017. it wasnt my pair valve mod. wasnt my full exhaust i installed, or the PCM V i put in a had generic programmed myself. It was those damn levers. So joe blow cant know that his shit will vibrate loose and locked could he, or does everyone else have the ability to see in the future?
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this video made me check the tolerances on the mzs levers... hadn't realized how sloppy they were. not going to risk it, I ordered the upgraded OEM shorty handles from Triumph before taking the street triple to a track day. thanks for the advice STG. I even found some that are only $42 for the set, $8 more expensive than the chinese knock offs. No Brainer to stick with OEM.
He is not advising, he is selling...to gullible fools.
Bottom line, your customer installed a bad part, then he rode around on it. This is 100% resolved by anyone with just a little common sense on install. And it needs to be said, that ANYONE who does maintenance on a bike without thorough safe review of the work, should not be riding bikes to begin with. SMH
So do you think the pot metal rear sets and pegs OEM’s include are unacceptable ?
No I the OEM parts are much better than parts like these levers. OEM's would never get away with this shit. - Van
I took good note's "THANK YOU" so much for the information you may have saved lives by putting this video out,now i will WISH for the best product,because you get what you pay for.
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Van
Mine moves smooth Thank you for pointing that out Youre a great dude
Love my MZS levers, spending 10% of my bikes total value on levers just seems foolish - not all cheap levers, not even all MZS levers will have this issue you're talking about. Mine don't even have that bushing - they have a spring. Work awesome and I would love to see a CRG take as much abuse as us dual sporters put onto our levers... lol. Bet you anything if I had something like those on my bike I'd have a broken perch and that's way worse than a lever breaking.
Love my MZS, way more comfortable than stock levers
i have a pair of asv on my bikes.....and cheap chinesse on my girlfriend bikes.....for probly 8x less the price.....theyre worth it....even if they fade every 6 month.....you still win
How are they holding up after this time? Are they still safe to use? I just put them on my bike
@@Anthony-qh1xv still fine!
@@thepanman8
My OEM Levers work "Perfectly". Awesome comfort, too!
I wouldn't trade them for any fancy looking aftermarket folding type of garbage lever. (Ever)
My cheap levers work fine just like the majority of people on here. $30 vs $300 is just too good to pass up. I also didn't throw them on and then take off down the road wide ass open either. Test everything before you just trust them. Cheap or expensive. They're not gonna work fine for 6 months and then start locking up. These were obviously designed too tight when manufactured.
My cheap front and rear stands are still holding up my bike fine for the past two years. I don't lean on them from the side like you did in your other video.
Of course the name brands are better quality and have that insurance, because people will sue them for their own mistakes. I personally ain't looking to sue anyone because I rode my motorcycle like a jackass.
There's some places you don't want to go cheap on though. Chains and sprockets. Cheap chains always fail and they take out legs or engines.
Let's open with the stands, I would buy a cheap stand before I would put these $35 a set levers on my bike. If the stand fails the bike falls over, you shed a couple tears, then dry said tears and pick up the bike.
Installing sub-par levers, brake parts, clip ons, rearsets or drive line components on your motorcycle is not something I would recommend. If you want to save money on bike parts put a knock off exhaust on or make your own fender eliminator. Cheap sunglasses are another great way to save money.
Product liability insurance is more than just coverage if a law suit is filed. IMO this is part of the whole package that makes a brand legitimate and worth investing your hard earned money when purchasing their products. Also included on this list are things like research & development, product testing, quality control and technical support (before and after the sale). All of these add layers of expense that simply need to be there to produce products worth purchasing. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I definitely love my $40 knockoff muffler. I've even had people try to tell me that would ruin my engine as well... Lol. When I ask them to explain how, they come up with nothing.
Just because these cheap levers failed, doesn't mean they all will. It is a great heads up for a failure point for us to look out for.
And of course the knock offs don't have R&D. They're relying on these big companies to do it. But let's be real here. There is nothing remotely close to reasonable in the cost of the name brands. It probably cost $5 in materials to make them. If they cost $50-60 a set vs $20-30 a set, I'd agree they were worth the extra money. But $200 a set vs $20-30 is not worth it in my eyes. Test the product and make sure it works. Name brand or not.
@@TEAMWRIGHTEOUS I have been doing this a long time man and can say I do not know anyone working in this industry that lives in a mansion. The motorcycle industry is different than so many out there. There just isn't crazy margin or markup in the products like you see with clothing etc... While it may take $5 in materials it also requires product liability insurance, skilled labor, really expensive machinery, etc...
For sure not all of the MZS levers will fail, that said who want to be the test dummy? - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear mine aren't even a name brand cheap set. They're just red adjustable levers. Lol.
But a 40x markup on a product is outrageous.
Imagine if other things you bought were marked up that much.
People think cellphones are expensive, but they cost about $200 to make. At 40x markup that would be $8000.
They may not be living in mansions, but they ain't starving either. I definitely ain't against spending money on my bike and have bought good brakes and rotors, tires and drive chain and sprockets. But I can afford those because I get budget stuff where it's safe. I'll watch closer now on these levers as I never knew that's how they worked.
@@TEAMWRIGHTEOUS It's not a 40X mark up because the cost of the raw material is a very small percentage of the cost that go into the levers. I am no cell phone expert but I saw a documentary where a dude went to China and made his own phone using parts he bought on the street. He had next to nothing into the parts and built a working phone. To determine actual production costs for an item you have to factor in everything required for production, not just the raw materials.
Before I started STG I would have agreed with you. Over the years I have learned a lot about what real expenses are and how important it is you truly understand what your operating costs are as a business. This shit is way more complicated than I expected it to be man. Took a few lumps learning these lessons along the way for sure. Anyone who really knows me will tell you I say exactly what's on my mind, zero bullshit my man.
If we sell a lever for $100 we are paying approximately $70 for said lever. From there you have the free shipping (man I wish FedEx gave me free shipping), the box, health insurance, pay roll, building expenses, marketing, etc... The list is longer the character limit on UA-cam. Now if everything goes just right there will be a couple % left when it is all sorted. When I say a couple I mean low single digits. Some items are better than others to be fair, this rough formula represents more of an average end of the day.
Full disclosure my brother. If you work you ass off with all the chips in the center of the table you can do alright. You may not have a private plane but you can for sure have a nice bike! - Van
do these lever company's such as CRG, vortex racing, Pazzo offer refunds if their products/levers have a issue ? If so, that is a feature that I am sure the overseas company's don't offer .
I can not speak for Pazzo as we have never offered their levers. CRG and Vortex both have excellent customer support, we are also here to support if there are any issues with their products. If they / we are unable to sort out a warranty issue we will take them back and refund you. Every situation looks a little different, bottom line is we are all here collectively to make sure you are good to go. - Brian Van
Mate, Thank you. I was just about to buy those exact Levers, I saw a Buyers comment about play & went off researching. Then I found your Vid. Looks like I will be getting some CRG spectrum Levers instead. Wont be cheap in Aussie dollars but I would rather fork out Dollars than Flesh. Made sure to post warnings on some our Facebooks groups. Your a good man!
No worries man, happy to help out. - Van
Coming from the IT world where most things are made by a select few companies, take Dell and HP both buy their motherboards from Foxconn and are made on the same assembly line.... The point is all this trash levers, computers & underwear are all made in the same sweatshops but certain companies pay the sweatshop owner just a little more
That's not exactly how it goes. It's more by Egineering and Design, you can't buy Egineering for $50.
So the takeaway here is: "Inspect your eBay levers before installing them!"
Not really. You now know some things to watch out for with levers (thanks for the great video)! What problems will kill you with other substandard parts? I'd suggest that if you have enough knowledge to reliably spot lethal defects, you wouldn't usually be buying dangerous parts in the first place.
Buying a part that will kill you, then catching that fault at inspection is a 'near miss' - the last chance before you're injured/dead. I've ridden with cheap levers, and I've had a brake lever come off while doing 70+ on a GSX-R1000 on a public road. Somehow managed to stop in time with engine braking & the rear brake, but have since only used ASV levers (DOI: now have a sponsorship with ASV).
The takeaway is: don't skimp on critical parts. Just because it looks and acts like a quality part at inspection (as mine did) does not mean it will continue to function reliably.
@@Mojoissimo So the takeaway here is: "Inspect your eBay levers before installing them!"
@@Ru5te No. But feel free to follow your own advice - keeps me in a job. ;-)
@@Mojoissimo Brake pads and brake cylinders maybe, but a simple lever?
@@canturgan One of my GSX-R1000s had a fully floating front disc with amazing calipers, pads, lines etc. Riding hard one day, I pulled on the aftermarket lever, which came apart in my hand, and I watched the parts fly down the road behind me at over 100 mph. The pads & cylinders were great, but I had no way of using them! I now have ASV levers and HEL lines etc sponsorship - I only want the best for my braking system.
All I'm saying is that there are some parts that are underestimated, but actually critical in a serial system. With enough knowledge and experience you can use any part (that's what the factory do to make the bike in the first place)!
Unfortunately the Dunning-Kruger effect means that those with less knowledge (like me) don't know what they don't know - hence will make critical errors when (unwittingly) working beyond our competence. I try to avoid this paradox by relying on highly-knowledgeable people (like ASV) to keep me safe, rather than unknown internet resellers. Some will have enough knowledge to be able to use such parts safely - but I suspect this would entail buying bulk quantities and testing the parts themselves - so in short I suspect this video is not aimed at them, and they are not trying to save a little money on a single pair of levers!
you guys changed my mind!!!!! thx bro
I have a set of this MZS on a cbr1000rr not a single problem yet but I’m not going to wait them to fail so already order a set of vortex just to upgrade a bit
A great video and great advice that’s just as relevant 4 years later. A lot of folk get seduced by the low price point and funky anodising, but like you say there are certain parts on a motorcycle that you need to be able to rely on 100%. Front brake is perhaps the most important control on any bike, it makes sense to buy quality.
Well said and thanks for watching! - Van
I have a general rule: NO cheap parts on a motorcycle. It's just not worth it.
I also have a general rule, don't crash.
i bought & installed Pazzo levers on my CB500X six months ago. I love them; Great levers; fantastic quality like CRG 🇺🇸. Pazzo levers are Made in Canada 🇨🇦.
I guess they do have more up there than just beers steers and queers
I have mzs on my dirt bikes, they get beat on and they are perfect, lasting longer than stock.
Excited to put mine on my grom
Many thanks for this. My (ancient but great fun) 2001 Yamaha 1000 Fazer recently had a similar issue on a regular road ride. Never even thought it could be a lever problem and had the calipers checked, cleaned and taken care of.
Took it to a track the next week and, whilst it didn't lock up because I wasn't braking aggressively, it stayed on for a while and I had to stop by the side of the track for a while to let the calipers free up.
I'll check the lever tomorrow. It's worked perfectly for years but maybe now either worn or dirty inside.
Hope you get that sorted out. - Van
I recently purchased a k4 gsxr750, i noticed my front brake needed alot of force to stop compared to my rear. Come to find out it had those exact cheap ebay brake lever, but it was missing that pin bushing!!!! Im glad i came across this video
Happy to hear this was helpful! - Van
I literally have the same exact levers on my cb919 and they have worked flawlessy since installed. I think I can speak for 95% of everyone watching this video and say that I'd choose a cheap $30 pair of levers over a $300 pair any day.
A 5% failure rate on a brake lever is horrible. These MZS levers are so sloppy you are better off with the OEM levers on the bike. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I agree. I would never accept a 5% failure rate. I also would never gamble my life on a failure rate like that.
"I'm sensitive" 😂
As always, superb video!
Thank you for watching! - Brian Van
MZS levers come with instructions strickly made for that bushing as well as common causes of problems etc if you install it wrong.. it also states you may need to use your OEM bushing (which i did) and it comes with washers to tighten up the clearances... granted i wont attempt to compare china brands to american brands.. but ive never had a problem with cheap aftermarket levers from multiple companies... the guy with the R6 was a f***n moron who shouldve taken his bike to a shop 😂.
3 sets of levers vs 1 single lever.. i mean its a no brainer, but from a marketing & profit stand point i see why you try so hard to push the more expensive brands, because they are HIGHER quality.
If you can afford it, always get the better stuff, but if you cant, nothing wrong with a few cheapy parts ^_-
(Im sure these people are super nice people) hahaha, im dead 😂💯
how about when the damn float receiver for your brake actuator rattles loose and just right to apply your brakes all by themselves??? smart ass this shit is for real these levers are F****d and I am gathering as many of these MZS victims to go big on china resellers...Amazon types. and if you installed them so piss pout the brakes would be engaged or dragging a little. you would you know if you did it wrong while pushing it out of your driveway or whatever.
I know this is an old video, but wanted thank you guys!!! This is my first year back riding, and purchased an old 2007 Aprilia Tuono, it has aftermarket levers. They are ASV’s, are they an ok brand? They seem to work well, but I don’t want to find out the hard way.
You are welcome the ASV levers are excellent quality. - Van
This man is GOLD - most definitely going to buy everything and anything from them in the future for my bike.
Thank you for watching and for the kind words. - Van
I have had these MZS’s on my K1200S for years now. Have not had any issues from day one. If there was, I would have sent them right back immediately. I drive test everything I install in my driveway then around the block before I go rippin’ around. I have trusted these levers time and time again over 180mph. Maybe it’s because mine used the lower half of my stock levers and were not a direct replacement.
Good video though I enjoy all of your vids.
Lesson: test your stuff before you go ride.
You should inspect cheep parts before installing them
Most people who buy cheap parts probably aren't educated enough on the subject to know what could be wrong.
@@jcmartinez7527 first of all, you should inspect all parts before installing them, second, just because you spend more money doesn't make you smarter. A fool and his money are easily parted. You mean to tell me that a $200 dollar pair of levers is really any different from a $35 dollar pair? A lever is literally just a stick with a hole in it. Sure the $200 dollar pair might have gorilla pussy tight tolerances and a better fit and finish than the space shuttle Atlantis but the oem levers, which everyone agrees are perfectly safe and serviceable, are sloppily made out of shitty metal because it's a low stress part. It doesn't need to hold up to the rigors a rearset or an axle would.
@@user-nb8yt2il2r you are right in terms of checking every thing for defects before you install. Buy where do you even find a 35 dollar pair of levers? And of course a 200 pair of adjustable levers CNC machined in the USA are better than some super cheap Chinese made ones.. and it's more than a stick with a hole in it if you're talking about adjustable ones
@@user-nb8yt2il2r Yes the $200 levers are different than the $35 pair, when you pay the premium for levers you’re paying for the R&D that went into the levers, the higher quality materials that went into them and the up to date tooling that makes the product, as well as finish quality and fitment. Companies like MZS don’t have the money to fund strict R&D that goes into making a safe product that stays safe through years of use, not to mention the tooling that is required to produce levers with a strict tolerance.
The same goes to OEM levers, big motorcycle companies have the money to work out what I described above.
One pair of defective levers and the whole Chinese industry is bad?
Never said that, not even close to what I said. There is a ton of great product that comes out of China at this point, these MZS levers are not on that list. The tolerances on these levers are not even close to where they need to be. In this 2 day old video there are already MULTIPLE comments about these levers causing the front brakes to lock up. - Van
I have a pair of chinese levers and the quality is definetly subpar and the adjusters have broke on one. Not going to say they will bind, but Chinese manufacturers very low quality control control and theres no doubt that some dangerous lever are making it out to customers that would have been caught by other more expensive manufacturers.
To be fair he said quite clearly he was not hating on the whole chinese industry. Shame we can't get decent products here in the uk for the same prices you guys get them at. Would have to pay obsurd fees when they arrive here in the uk
@@sportbiketrackgear I think the key with the Chinese industry is like any other - do your research and know that you may end up getting junk until you find a reputable shop. I've built high end bicycles and wheels from China and I didn't commit to a full frame etc until I checked out the quality of something smaller. Thanks for posting this and your other videos, they have been my main source of information for my latest gen R6 build. Next paycheck I'm getting the steel lines and using your video :)
Carlos Cal you said that not him. Did you watch the video?
You mentioned Spiegler brake lines. What about their levers? Are they any good?
The Synto Levers are made by ABM and are quality. We do not offer them because they do not have a ton of inventory here in the US and there are several other excellent options. - Van
I'M HAVING THIS SAME ISSUE ON MY 99 R1! I worked on the stock lines and rebuilt the master cylinder and thought the issue was resolved, then took the bike out for a spin only to end up having to lay it over on a freeway exit. I then rebuilt the calipers and went to test the bike again, only to have it lock up the front brakes on the freeway again. This time, I was able to keep it upright. HELP, HELP! Also, what are your opinions on Core Moto brake lines? That's the brand that I've been looking at to replace the current lines, but after watching this video, Speigler isn't much more in cost over Core Moto's set. Thanks and keep up the radtastic work fellas!
You are welcome and thanks for watching. I do not have any exeprience with Core Moto lines, sorry. We focus on Spiegler lines here and all use them on our bikes at STG. IMO if you need a set that is the way to go. - Van