Thanks again for another video, Ron. You have a great presentation style that is easy to follow. But I do have a question for you. It is my understanding that Back EMF can be turned down at higher throttle settings, so I'm wondering if this might be a solution to allow us to have our cake (improved slow speed motor control with Back EMF left on) and eat it too (reduce or eliminate locos fighting one another at higher speeds.) Have you tried this at all? I'm pretty new to DCC and consisting locos, so this idea may have been tried and abandoned by others previously, but if you have any information or feedback on this idea, it would be greatly appreciated.
The short answer is I don't know. You are right that, in certain newer and higher end decoders (ESU LokSound and Lokpilot for example) BEMF is more configurable than it once was, but I hear few people.talking about it and I've not had time.tonplay with it as of yet. I will have to check that out.
Hello, Ron! Great to hear and see many of the items I do for speed-matching are the same. Very reassuring. A great video recapping the speed-matching process. Have a great Easter! ~Tony
Thanks Ron, it seems like certain high end decoders take and hold speed matching adjustments much better and easily then others (didn't want to name manufactures), have you run into this? Thanks and happy Easter, Mario
I don't know that I've seen that issue, but if locomotives sit not run for a period of time they will act strangely in consist until they "warm up" again.
I am an N scaler as well and have a lot of locos that need to be converted to dcc. I have about half Kato and the other bachmann. What decoders do you rely on the most? Both cost effective and reliable? Thanks
Trial and error. I turn mome tum off entirely while speed matching, then when done I add back in a small amount and test them to see that they accelerated and decelerate together well. In most cases my momentum settings are between 2 and 10.
Hi Brian, I believe he did mention this situation, and said he'd set up as many locomotives as desired for the consist "fleet" (my words, not his) by matching them all as closely as possible - thus any combination can be run together... But is probably considerably more work than just setting up 2 or 3 as a consist and using them exclusively. Hope that helps, Charlie
What Charlie said is correct. I get them all close to the same, and if I switched out consists regularly I would work harder at that...but doing so with 30+ locomotives is a chore to be sure.
Hi Ron! I really like the layout that you are always standing in front of. Everytime I hope that you will place a train on it but it's mostly empty. And uhm, will you finish that bald rock? Well, just some thoughts, no pressure, its your layout after all! Keep up the good work, I really enjoy watching your vids
I've had trains in this shot, but it's not normally a place Instagram one. As for the mountain, I need to make a couple thousand trees...I'll get it done one of these days.
With DCC it's a wonder way the decorders don't adjust automatically. Hopefully some day. The Railpro system by Ring Engineering is awesome in HO but I believe they are working on a N scale system.
To do so as I would.want them they would need to interact with some sort of speedometer, which is possible but there is only so much room on a tiny decoder.
@@RonsTrainsNThings Ron, seeing as pre-made speedometers seem to be all but non existent, perhaps a nice follow up video would be if you could build one of the permanently installed kits on the layout with the readout on the fascia... Another question I had was, how difficult is it to get the speed settings to correspond to actual scale speed using JMRI? I think I once saw a video demonstrating this - and he plateaued the output to match the maximum speed of the prototype as well... So if a locomotive was geared to max out at say, 70 mph, cranking the throttle past that setting yields no increase in speed. Just wondering.😉
I agree, can’t find the speedometers. I’ve been watching IOTT, he has developed a number of things, I use his blue hat for my signals. But he has a purple hat that mounts on a car that will do an auto speed match and upload to JMRI. Haven’t tried it yet but thinking about it because the speedometers as you say are non existent
Ron, thank you for this video. As far as BEMF goes, am I to understand that you turn it off and leave it off? Do all your speed matched locomotives stay in consist and never run as a stand alone?
Thanks Ron. What problems might I incur if I speed match locos without back emf then turn it back on? I match my locos by manufacturer and decoder type.. All my BLI with BLI, Kato with Kato etc.
This one is no longer available. There are a few others out there...check Amazon...but I don't have enough experience with any to make a recommendation.
The way that you said you do the consit speed matching made my head hurt, lol. The way I do each locomotive is I adjust the speed table so that it runs consistently at the same speed forward and reverse. Then I do the comparison with them both. So far, I haven't had to make any further adjustments. But that's been with just one manufacturer. Eventually, I will mix manufacturers, and some tweaking may be required. I would have definitely mentioned the reverse trim adjustment. I found that a locomotive may run spot on to x mph in one direction but be higher or lower in other. That's where you then adjust the reverse trim to get it to run at x mph in either direction consistently. At the end of that process, it is literally like running one locomotive as they are all speed matched perfectly.
The speedometer is out of production and can only be purchased second-hand. It's a shame that you made such an interesting video with a product that is no longer manufactured.
Well, if you would be so kind as to tell me where to find it, I would greatly appreciate it. I tried to search for it before writing to you, but I couldn't find anything available. Best regards from Barcelona, Spain.
Yes, and that is unfortunate. There are others on the market and kits you can build, but I don't have enough experience to make a recommendation currently.
Wow! Didn’t realize the accutrack was no longer made. Hope mine won’t need repairs. There are arduino methods to do speed sensing. A google search will bring up some.
For more on speed matching using JMRI, check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/hXO_HbRh6ME/v-deo.html
Thanks again for another video, Ron. You have a great presentation style that is easy to follow. But I do have a question for you. It is my understanding that Back EMF can be turned down at higher throttle settings, so I'm wondering if this might be a solution to allow us to have our cake (improved slow speed motor control with Back EMF left on) and eat it too (reduce or eliminate locos fighting one another at higher speeds.) Have you tried this at all? I'm pretty new to DCC and consisting locos, so this idea may have been tried and abandoned by others previously, but if you have any information or feedback on this idea, it would be greatly appreciated.
The short answer is I don't know. You are right that, in certain newer and higher end decoders (ESU LokSound and Lokpilot for example) BEMF is more configurable than it once was, but I hear few people.talking about it and I've not had time.tonplay with it as of yet. I will have to check that out.
Hello, Ron! Great to hear and see many of the items I do for speed-matching are the same. Very reassuring. A great video recapping the speed-matching process. Have a great Easter! ~Tony
I haven't even thought of some of those. Thanks for the video
Thanks Ron, it seems like certain high end decoders take and hold speed matching adjustments much better and easily then others (didn't want to name manufactures), have you run into this?
Thanks and happy Easter, Mario
I don't know that I've seen that issue, but if locomotives sit not run for a period of time they will act strangely in consist until they "warm up" again.
Some great ideas. Thanks for sharing.
I am an N scaler as well and have a lot of locos that need to be converted to dcc. I have about half Kato and the other bachmann. What decoders do you rely on the most? Both cost effective and reliable? Thanks
For cost, Digitrax, but sound is bad if that's important to you. For awesome operation, control, and reliability ESU LokSound or Lokpilot.
Great advice Ron. How do you handle accel and deceleration settings?
Trial and error. I turn mome tum off entirely while speed matching, then when done I add back in a small amount and test them to see that they accelerated and decelerate together well. In most cases my momentum settings are between 2 and 10.
@@RonsTrainsNThings thanks!
hello Happy Easter Ron & it's is Randy and i like yours cool & Thanks Ron & Friends Randy
Great video and ideas. Would you do things differently if you're going to be changing out consists regularly (as the prototype would)? Thanks - Brian
Hi Brian, I believe he did mention this situation, and said he'd set up as many locomotives as desired for the consist "fleet" (my words, not his) by matching them all as closely as possible - thus any combination can be run together...
But is probably considerably more work than just setting up 2 or 3 as a consist and using them exclusively.
Hope that helps,
Charlie
What Charlie said is correct. I get them all close to the same, and if I switched out consists regularly I would work harder at that...but doing so with 30+ locomotives is a chore to be sure.
Hi Ron! I really like the layout that you are always standing in front of. Everytime I hope that you will place a train on it but it's mostly empty. And uhm, will you finish that bald rock? Well, just some thoughts, no pressure, its your layout after all! Keep up the good work, I really enjoy watching your vids
I've had trains in this shot, but it's not normally a place Instagram one. As for the mountain, I need to make a couple thousand trees...I'll get it done one of these days.
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY FOR YOUR CHANNEL
Thank you. 👍🏼👍🏼
With DCC it's a wonder way the decorders don't adjust automatically. Hopefully some day. The Railpro system by Ring Engineering is awesome in HO but I believe they are working on a N scale system.
To do so as I would.want them they would need to interact with some sort of speedometer, which is possible but there is only so much room on a tiny decoder.
Nice video Ron - great tips!👍
Now if only the speedometer were still available...😢
Agreed.
@@RonsTrainsNThings
Ron, seeing as pre-made speedometers seem to be all but non existent, perhaps a nice follow up video would be if you could build one of the permanently installed kits on the layout with the readout on the fascia...
Another question I had was, how difficult is it to get the speed settings to correspond to actual scale speed using JMRI? I think I once saw a video demonstrating this - and he plateaued the output to match the maximum speed of the prototype as well...
So if a locomotive was geared to max out at say, 70 mph, cranking the throttle past that setting yields no increase in speed.
Just wondering.😉
I agree, can’t find the speedometers. I’ve been watching IOTT, he has developed a number of things, I use his blue hat for my signals. But he has a purple hat that mounts on a car that will do an auto speed match and upload to JMRI. Haven’t tried it yet but thinking about it because the speedometers as you say are non existent
Ron, thank you for this video. As far as BEMF goes, am I to understand that you turn it off and leave it off? Do all your speed matched locomotives stay in consist and never run as a stand alone?
Correct on both points.
Thanks Ron.
What problems might I incur if I speed match locos without back emf then turn it back on? I match my locos by manufacturer and decoder type.. All my BLI with BLI, Kato with
Kato etc.
Where can we find the speedometer I have been looking for one for the past 4 months?
Out of business
This one is no longer available. There are a few others out there...check Amazon...but I don't have enough experience with any to make a recommendation.
Always great video
Thanks so much!👍🏼
The way that you said you do the consit speed matching made my head hurt, lol. The way I do each locomotive is I adjust the speed table so that it runs consistently at the same speed forward and reverse. Then I do the comparison with them both. So far, I haven't had to make any further adjustments. But that's been with just one manufacturer. Eventually, I will mix manufacturers, and some tweaking may be required. I would have definitely mentioned the reverse trim adjustment. I found that a locomotive may run spot on to x mph in one direction but be higher or lower in other. That's where you then adjust the reverse trim to get it to run at x mph in either direction consistently. At the end of that process, it is literally like running one locomotive as they are all speed matched perfectly.
My goal is to speed match everything my together so that any of my loccos can run together without question
I love the idea of that, but getting 30 or more locomotives to run exactly the same is a Herculean task.
The speedometer is out of production and can only be purchased second-hand.
It's a shame that you made such an interesting video with a product that is no longer manufactured.
There are other speedometers out there.
Well, if you would be so kind as to tell me where to find it, I would greatly appreciate it. I tried to search for it before writing to you, but I couldn't find anything available. Best regards from Barcelona, Spain.
Prayerful Easter to you .......
Too bad but the guy who built the speed meter retired. Need to find another provider hope he sold to someone
I'm going to do some research in this area and make a recommendation video soon.
Our local hobby got a few in but sold out within a few days , I have one I will keep a look out for your next video
ACCUTRACK IS NO LONGER and won’t ever be SELLING THOSE. Can’t buy one.
Yes, and that is unfortunate. There are others on the market and kits you can build, but I don't have enough experience to make a recommendation currently.
Wow! Didn’t realize the accutrack was no longer made. Hope mine won’t need repairs.
There are arduino methods to do speed sensing. A google search will bring up some.