Man that was such and impressive showcase of good plays and amazing reflexes, also mental wars in the strats they have employed. They really are pro players and truly deserve that title. It does not matter who won, because its about the little mistakes either could have done and about the show we watched not about ego.
Many Idiots in Comments like in every Dota Video ._. "Noob Dendi" "Noob Mushi". Wtf? Are you trying to make someone worse cause you are fan of the other one? Dendi Fans should respect Mushi Fans like Dendi respects Mushi. Same for the other way but stop saying others are Noobs when yourselves are playing at Low Priority, got reported for feeding and have 1 Win from 100 games...
I'm not a big fan of either of these players, so I'm unbiased here. 1v1s do not make 1 person better than the other. DotA is a game of luck, skill, mindgames and mechanical skill. Each match is different. Nobody is guaranteed to win just because they have the label 'better', because that's all it is. A label. An opinionated label at that. Dendi did get outplayed, but that's it. Maybe he could win the next 1v1, maybe not. Stop acting like this proves something.
emm..thats why 1v1 is the PERFECT skill match??what??do you even read what you say? DotA is a game of luck, skill, mindgames and mechanical skill. skill = 1v1, skill is not getting ganked 2v1 mindgames = try playing mindgames with 1v1 at your same level of skills and mechanical? try playing the same hero with your opponent and THINK what he does. GG you're a pro dota player
Kellas Aellara It's NOT a perfect skill matchup. If you're gonna make a matchup based on purely skill. You would have to remove everything that's random. Miss chance, runes etc. Mushi got some advantage out of simply guessing where the rune would be. It's not like I don't approve of this match up, but it's not perfect nor is it shown which player is better. It just shows which player is better in a mirror match up, purely 1v1.
you can say that this was organized for fun, but let's be fair. no 1v1 goes 19 minutes until the first blood without both players taking the match seriously, as it's a large amount of pride at stake. both dendi and mushi saw this as more than just a fun match up. also, if dendi had won, there'd be even more fanboys screaming 'dendi the best in the world!!' now, let's not ignore the main point, which is that both the players are as talented as they get. props to both to even be here.
you do know... at the end of the day... all that doesnt count, but which ever team takes back the 1st prize money counts. They've won once, got runner-up once. What's to stop them from going at it again?
Thank you for that, and I will go one step further. Look at Alliance, the team that I think will win TI3. As for individual skill I'm not sure that any of the Alliance players are actually *the* best in the world at what they do. But they have the best strategies and the best execution right now. Dota is more than mechanical skills, and besides, it's just a game.
Mushi can win his lane even if he is solo and doesn't necessarily need ganks not to mention his understanding of the game mechanics are excellent. Which is why in a 1v1 match up he is really strong.
mushi has always been a solid solo carry...i remember when dendi was just a support in dota 1 and mushi was already laning against the world's best solo laners...
from this game, we can see that asians are better in 1v1, either dota, or sc2 where the 1v1 scene dominated by koreans,.. while foreigners is better at team games...
All of you people saying that Dendi is overrated solo mid player: remember that Dota is a team game, not a solo game; way that Dendi plays mid suits his team. Want confirmation? How about internationals so far? 1 won and 1 final.
im talking about the Solo match-ups itself..yes its official..but its a fun match-up that puts all stars against each other and is not meant to prove who is the best and who is not..but 4 Mushi i do support him..go malaysia! xD
They still try their best as this was a real match. 1v1 Is a part of dota, every game in dota, there is a solo lane, mostly Mid. If you win mid, you win a part of the game. As I said, it's a part of the game. This is a misconception people think about Dota. Ultimately it all comes down to team fights.
Why do people insist on spoiling the videos and getting top comment D: And before you say is not your fault you got top comment... Yes, it is! You wrote a clever and meaningful statement and you should be ashamed of it :C
So basically what you are saying is that Mushi has much better lane control, presence, consumption, and general overall a better player 1v1 than Dendi. Since he wins this 1v1 easy. In this 1v1, both players play fair, there is no advtantage or disadvantage. Both starts with the same of everything. You play on FAIR ground. Both Mushi and Dendi can miss a creep for rune in this game, that comes down to how well they play and decision making. And Mushi just did it much better than Dendi. Twice.
I hope I won't be offending anyone of Dendi's fans since I really like him, yet if we are talking about mechanical skills and overall solo gameplay I am pretty sure MuShi is better.
doesnt anyone realise dendi isnt taking these games serious? hes just doing stuff for fun not for the win.. Mushi is like trying hard and dendis just trying to have fun and make the game nice to watch.. dagon vs necro. u cant argue against that
nope , if you watch the first match "Dendi says : Please take it easy" "Mushi Replied : Just for fun" . i idolize Dendi and Mushi but the truth is Mushi is better
Puppey just played an Alche with the lowest net worth in the whole game. Even if he went ward bitch he should still be able to farm with his goblin's greed, but no. They had to choose to dedicate all farm to XBOCT's gyro and Kuroky's furion. It was painful to watch.
Pretty sure Na'Vi won Alienware cup. And pretty sure Na'Vi were second on TI2. Orange were 7th on TI2 and 5/6th on Alienware. So even if they 2:0 them it doesn't really matter, they didn't bring home the cash.
does that count if dendi wins? lol plus, whats with the "they"(i know u mean navi) in this? it is not about the main event ,no? whats the relationship between dendi in a solo match and navi in main event? @_@ don't get me wrong dendi and navi are both good. I know dendi can have better impact in real games but that doesn't change the fact he lost in this solo ? as u guys say this doesn't mean anything in real games, so why don't just admit dendi lost and mushi is better in this for-fun game?
You didn't get my point. I didn't say his comment was an excuse. I clearly stated that he is right, but that I also agree with the comment he replied to, and that comment (from 08060915) is a reply to butthurt Dendi fans in general.
why do people get so wound up about these 1v1's. It's just a bit of fun , not a test of who is best at DOTA. Mushi won so fair play to him , doesn't mean dendi isn't a brilliant player though.
he fuckin outplayed him accept that fanboy, i'm not hatin on anyone but to think that he gave the FB and still managed to win with his new item set up suited for pushing, thats what we call a outplay !
dendi is more of a ganker, while mushi is more of a farmer so in 1 v 1 where games can drag quite long dendi is not as good. But I think dendi is a better contributor in a 5 v 5 game because of his ability to find kills
in this game dendi obviously got outplayed. mushi has such disadvantages like getting first blooded, rage buyback and fighting against an early dagon rush with nothing, and he still won.
Just to save you a little bit of face..these match ups are organized to pit players against each other for FUN..not to prove who is better then who..DOTA in it's basis was never meant to be a 1 v 1 game..simply a team based strategy which requires quick response and problem solving while having FUN..dendi haters or whoever haters out there simply have sad unfulfilled lives trying to criticize and high ranking players who do exceptionally well in INTERNATIONAL tournaments..
What do you think would happen if there are no runes in 1v1 between 2 pro players ,playing the same hero.... it WILL TAKE at least 1 hour per round.So you need an edge in order to win and that edge is runes/or different item builds!!! So stop crying (you can deny the other guy the option of runes so its dendi's fault he lost)
Okay, this isn't a test of who's the better player, but lets be honest, no one here is fucking around. Everyone in this solo championship wants to win. There is a reason this is a SOLO CHAMPIONSHIP, it's for SOLO players, this is not a team game anymore, this is a solo game. You're forced to depend on yourself, and only yourself. Dendi is still a great player, it's just that Mushi outplayed him. I'm not a big fan of Mushi, I'm just not blind to the fucking bullshit.
Let's say in a 5v5 game, Dendi has a CM support who constantly ganks mushi mid and dendi wins lane. It doesn't mean Dendi is better than mushi. It just means Dendi is lucky to have a good support to shut down middle lane. 5v5 is all about who you team with and picks and how well you execute. in 1v1 You contest about your skills. All about skills and decision making. You don't have to tell me dota is a teamgame, I know that already. Just your logic makes no fucking sense.
He isnt known for making amazing plays in the mid lane? Hes known for the mid game ganks and plays not for the shit he does in the mid lane, like csing? plus in a 5v5 ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT scenario mid... this isnt a good showcase for how good a mid player is, 1v1 you go a completely different build because of the circumstances, especially how you are the same hero.. So... Not sure how much of a fact your opinion is?
That is also the reason in 5v5, You don't lose because you are worse than your opponent. Sometimes it is, but based on picks, teammates and execution. All of these comes in play. That's why you can't determine who is better in 5v5, you simply can't. Ever. 10 different heroes, laning position, new players, superior mid, superior lineup. All of these doesn't determine who is a better mid player in 5v5. Lets play 5v5 me against you mid, My team ganks you all the time, I win lane, Im better ?
== i see no sign of me criticizing high ranking players? i am juz trying to point out that dendi fans should not keep on finding funny excuses when dendi lost in such a game...of cuz mushi fans shouldnt flame dendi as noob either. why don't just admit that dendi lost in the game, give mushi some credit. im sure if dendi won the game the fans will say "oh dendi is god" and not "this game is for fun"or "lucky".Double standard? dendi is good,just some immature fans try to defend him no matter what.
wr vs wr wasnt luck at all... mushi payed the runes with lasthits and exp... he worked for every rune and pushed and zoned out dendi properly to get the runes... also he had the better tactic... dendi is a great player but when it purely comes to mid mush is the better player ! and THATS A FACT ! dendi didnt punish mushi hard enough going for runes and he only relied on pure bottle crowing... however thats simply dendis philosphy ...
Man that was such and impressive showcase of good plays and amazing reflexes, also mental wars in the strats they have employed. They really are pro players and truly deserve that title. It does not matter who won, because its about the little mistakes either could have done and about the show we watched not about ego.
really high skilled game, was great to watch :)
Many Idiots in Comments like in every Dota Video ._. "Noob Dendi" "Noob Mushi". Wtf? Are you trying to make someone worse cause you are fan of the other one? Dendi Fans should respect Mushi Fans like Dendi respects Mushi. Same for the other way but stop saying others are Noobs when yourselves are playing at Low Priority, got reported for feeding and have 1 Win from 100 games...
Some people just have to big ego and small brain :P
so true ......... beat them only say people noob
there is a lot of fanboys everywhere for everything ....
I agree !!!!
well said bro
I'm not a big fan of either of these players, so I'm unbiased here.
1v1s do not make 1 person better than the other. DotA is a game of luck, skill, mindgames and mechanical skill. Each match is different. Nobody is guaranteed to win just because they have the label 'better', because that's all it is. A label. An opinionated label at that.
Dendi did get outplayed, but that's it. Maybe he could win the next 1v1, maybe not. Stop acting like this proves something.
You talk the true !
emm..thats why 1v1 is the PERFECT skill match??what??do you even read what you say?
DotA is a game of luck, skill, mindgames and mechanical skill.
skill = 1v1, skill is not getting ganked 2v1
mindgames = try playing mindgames with 1v1 at your same level of skills
and mechanical?
try playing the same hero with your opponent and THINK what he does.
GG you're a pro dota player
Kellas Aellara You're entitled to an opinion, but you on't be able to take mine away
Penta Gram
Actually all you said is a fact. People (kids) have big egos and cant see this simple truth.
Kellas Aellara It's NOT a perfect skill matchup. If you're gonna make a matchup based on purely skill. You would have to remove everything that's random. Miss chance, runes etc. Mushi got some advantage out of simply guessing where the rune would be.
It's not like I don't approve of this match up, but it's not perfect nor is it shown which player is better. It just shows which player is better in a mirror match up, purely 1v1.
I never thought that I could hold my breath for more than 30 minutes. WOW! :)
really ??????? where did you get that information plz, i want to see
If you are talking about Dendi vs Mushi, Mushi pretty much won not only just these two games, but every mid match up in the tournament.
you can say that this was organized for fun, but let's be fair. no 1v1 goes 19 minutes until the first blood without both players taking the match seriously, as it's a large amount of pride at stake. both dendi and mushi saw this as more than just a fun match up.
also, if dendi had won, there'd be even more fanboys screaming 'dendi the best in the world!!'
now, let's not ignore the main point, which is that both the players are as talented as they get. props to both to even be here.
you do know... at the end of the day... all that doesnt count, but which ever team takes back the 1st prize money counts. They've won once, got runner-up once. What's to stop them from going at it again?
Thank you for that, and I will go one step further. Look at Alliance, the team that I think will win TI3. As for individual skill I'm not sure that any of the Alliance players are actually *the* best in the world at what they do. But they have the best strategies and the best execution right now. Dota is more than mechanical skills, and besides, it's just a game.
What everyone needs to remember is that playing a 1v1 same hero mid doesn't represent all of a player's skill as a solo mid.
Mushi can win his lane even if he is solo and doesn't necessarily need ganks not to mention his understanding of the game mechanics are excellent. Which is why in a 1v1 match up he is really strong.
mushi has always been a solid solo carry...i remember when dendi was just a support in dota 1 and mushi was already laning against the world's best solo laners...
why are they buying wards? for the shuckle?
from this game, we can see that asians are better in 1v1, either dota, or sc2 where the 1v1 scene dominated by koreans,.. while foreigners is better at team games...
you can say we're naturally gifted
i dont agree Games pretty much dont depend on races just IQ
but IQ depends on race? lol idk
***** Dendi's from Ukraine
i meant to say there's no sarcasm "mix" on my comment, i really want to know who are these top 5 mid players
Did u look sven's player after game. His ankel was broken
why dendi lose? whar rules at 1x1 ? 2 tower down = lose?
Dendi turned the tables in the international with pudge
Agree. Also Dendi respects a lot Mushi.
I dont like Mushi cause its quite a bit egocentric, but he's a good player.
All of you people saying that Dendi is overrated solo mid player: remember that Dota is a team game, not a solo game; way that Dendi plays mid suits his team. Want confirmation? How about internationals so far? 1 won and 1 final.
im talking about the Solo match-ups itself..yes its official..but its a fun match-up that puts all stars against each other and is not meant to prove who is the best and who is not..but 4 Mushi i do support him..go malaysia! xD
They still try their best as this was a real match. 1v1 Is a part of dota, every game in dota, there is a solo lane, mostly Mid. If you win mid, you win a part of the game. As I said, it's a part of the game. This is a misconception people think about Dota. Ultimately it all comes down to team fights.
that what u call as map awareness my friend..and u know if 1v1, runes are crucial to turn the tide
Why do people insist on spoiling the videos and getting top comment D: And before you say is not your fault you got top comment... Yes, it is! You wrote a clever and meaningful statement and you should be ashamed of it :C
So basically what you are saying is that Mushi has much better lane control, presence, consumption, and general overall a better player 1v1 than Dendi. Since he wins this 1v1 easy.
In this 1v1, both players play fair, there is no advtantage or disadvantage. Both starts with the same of everything. You play on FAIR ground. Both Mushi and Dendi can miss a creep for rune in this game, that comes down to how well they play and decision making. And Mushi just did it much better than Dendi. Twice.
I hope I won't be offending anyone of Dendi's fans since I really like him, yet if we are talking about mechanical skills and overall solo gameplay I am pretty sure MuShi is better.
match id?
poor dendi
actually dendi choose better strategy, but mushi had more luck on his side
no strategy for 1v1 match actually man.. just accept the truth
im a litttle bit of a navi fan, but mushi's better
chrizz pach lol, suicide is when you die because you wanted to
dendi is good man just not the best mid in the world and compared to mushi and s4 he's not a big problem
Mushi is much better
doesnt anyone realise dendi isnt taking these games serious? hes just doing stuff for fun not for the win.. Mushi is like trying hard and dendis just trying to have fun and make the game nice to watch.. dagon vs necro. u cant argue against that
nope , if you watch the first match "Dendi says : Please take it easy" "Mushi Replied : Just for fun" . i idolize Dendi and Mushi but the truth is Mushi is better
Love the combo, bGod and mGod
Puppey just played an Alche with the lowest net worth in the whole game. Even if he went ward bitch he should still be able to farm with his goblin's greed, but no. They had to choose to dedicate all farm to XBOCT's gyro and Kuroky's furion. It was painful to watch.
Pretty sure Na'Vi won Alienware cup. And pretty sure Na'Vi were second on TI2. Orange were 7th on TI2 and 5/6th on Alienware. So even if they 2:0 them it doesn't really matter, they didn't bring home the cash.
u got the point which so many ppl dont get it , good one haha
does that count if dendi wins? lol
plus, whats with the "they"(i know u mean navi) in this? it is not about the main event ,no? whats the relationship between dendi in a solo match and navi in main event? @_@ don't get me wrong dendi and navi are both good. I know dendi can have better impact in real games but that doesn't change the fact he lost in this solo ? as u guys say this doesn't mean anything in real games, so why don't just admit dendi lost and mushi is better in this for-fun game?
here I am watching in 2021 XD
You are right, but he is also right. It's funny how fans will always find excuses when their favorite loses.
No matter how strong 1vs1 you are in the end it about team play.
some men just want to watch the world burn... cant do shit about it. Thumbs up for you NomNomOwl
You didn't get my point. I didn't say his comment was an excuse. I clearly stated that he is right, but that I also agree with the comment he replied to, and that comment (from 08060915) is a reply to butthurt Dendi fans in general.
it doesnt mean that dendi isnt good , it just means that mushi is better
why do people get so wound up about these 1v1's. It's just a bit of fun , not a test of who is best at DOTA. Mushi won so fair play to him , doesn't mean dendi isn't a brilliant player though.
Icefrog?
he fuckin outplayed him accept that fanboy, i'm not hatin on anyone but to think that he gave the FB and still managed to win with his new item set up suited for pushing, thats what we call a outplay !
I don't see what your point is. right now the first one who gets the rune also has the advantage
Who pressed "close" when it ended. LOL
dendi is more of a ganker, while mushi is more of a farmer so in 1 v 1 where games can drag quite long dendi is not as good. But I think dendi is a better contributor in a 5 v 5 game because of his ability to find kills
I thought bottle crowing was forbidden?
they're both good. end of story. anyone who said otherwise should try playing against them
"there's no sarcasm there" indeed..
why not orchid? u_u
Why not Pudge mirror? Ez win for Dendi :)
Mushi's ability to find kills is somewhat in the same lvl with dendi.Even better at solo pickup.
For me, Merlini is the greatest solo player ever!
Surely Dendi will not accept that . But dendi dont care that he lost to mushi because it does not have a prize. PS I just heard it from a friend
That was almost a sick rap.
dendi worst player in the world
reported as spam
Facepalm...
Haters gonna hate..
troll
This troll playing low priority for feeding. So good.
How to win 1v1 wr: Max powershot, 1 point in windrun, no shackle, stats, get tower.
Good bro
in this game dendi obviously got outplayed. mushi has such disadvantages like getting first blooded, rage buyback and fighting against an early dagon rush with nothing, and he still won.
dendi is my idol, but i got to admit that mushi is much superior than dendi when it comes to 1 vs 1.
Just to save you a little bit of face..these match ups are organized to pit players against each other for FUN..not to prove who is better then who..DOTA in it's basis was never meant to be a 1 v 1 game..simply a team based strategy which requires quick response and problem solving while having FUN..dendi haters or whoever haters out there simply have sad unfulfilled lives trying to criticize and high ranking players who do exceptionally well in INTERNATIONAL tournaments..
What do you think would happen if there are no runes in 1v1 between 2 pro players ,playing the same hero.... it WILL TAKE at least 1 hour per round.So you need an edge in order to win and that edge is runes/or different item builds!!! So stop crying (you can deny the other guy the option of runes so its dendi's fault he lost)
because dendi knows he already lose and simply dont want to waste time dragging it more
please do it like joindota: 1 matchup in a single video
there's no sarcasm there, i really want to know...
Okay, this isn't a test of who's the better player, but lets be honest, no one here is fucking around. Everyone in this solo championship wants to win. There is a reason this is a SOLO CHAMPIONSHIP, it's for SOLO players, this is not a team game anymore, this is a solo game. You're forced to depend on yourself, and only yourself. Dendi is still a great player, it's just that Mushi outplayed him. I'm not a big fan of Mushi, I'm just not blind to the fucking bullshit.
mushi obviously a more experienced player in 1v1....which mean he is more like a self-centered player.But still he won so GG to him
I can't believe neither of them went for Focus Fire, in a 1v1 situation that ability would be valuable.
means that u prettier than him?
Let's say in a 5v5 game, Dendi has a CM support who constantly ganks mushi mid and dendi wins lane. It doesn't mean Dendi is better than mushi. It just means Dendi is lucky to have a good support to shut down middle lane.
5v5 is all about who you team with and picks and how well you execute.
in 1v1 You contest about your skills. All about skills and decision making.
You don't have to tell me dota is a teamgame, I know that already. Just your logic makes no fucking sense.
2 kills or 2 towers and you win dendi knew he had lost his tower when he died
gege wp
*Funn1k. And how is that about the thing I said?
He isnt known for making amazing plays in the mid lane? Hes known for the mid game ganks and plays not for the shit he does in the mid lane, like csing? plus in a 5v5 ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT scenario mid... this isnt a good showcase for how good a mid player is, 1v1 you go a completely different build because of the circumstances, especially how you are the same hero.. So... Not sure how much of a fact your opinion is?
"he just got better items" yeah Dendi doesn't know how to build necronomicon
lol luck? what kind of weeds are you smoking?
it's ok, dendi didnt care about these matchups, he just wants 2.5m prizepoooooll
What does that have to do with my comment
Well, Mushi is really good player and all, but why doesn't he call gg at the end of the game? Neither after first one, nor the second one.
GG TOWER !
dat Mushi windrunner addon look to sexy xD
this comments... *FACEPALM*
You mad? Watch his game vs FATA as Lina. And you will see.
but they have all start match,,much fun then 1 vs 1,,
The Commentator Makes Me Sleepy
and please watch the 2013 Allstars Match..just to save you some little face..you funny person you..
That is also the reason in 5v5, You don't lose because you are worse than your opponent. Sometimes it is, but based on picks, teammates and execution. All of these comes in play. That's why you can't determine who is better in 5v5, you simply can't. Ever.
10 different heroes, laning position, new players, superior mid, superior lineup. All of these doesn't determine who is a better mid player in 5v5.
Lets play 5v5 me against you mid, My team ganks you all the time, I win lane, Im better ?
00:00 LOL
but he did not play twice a Dandy
== i see no sign of me criticizing high ranking players? i am juz trying to point out that dendi fans should not keep on finding funny excuses when dendi lost in such a game...of cuz mushi fans shouldnt flame dendi as noob either. why don't just admit that dendi lost in the game, give mushi some credit. im sure if dendi won the game the fans will say "oh dendi is god" and not "this game is for fun"or "lucky".Double standard? dendi is good,just some immature fans try to defend him no matter what.
wow, the commentators are betting for mushi wow hahaha
Well,You said they was having fun?
Why did TI13 was having Solo Championship?
So,get more knowledge before You talk.
kuroky is insane. Perfect rubick.
BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME
malaysian dota !
wr vs wr wasnt luck at all... mushi payed the runes with lasthits and exp...
he worked for every rune and pushed and zoned out dendi properly to get the runes...
also he had the better tactic... dendi is a great player but when it purely comes to mid mush is the better player !
and THATS A FACT !
dendi didnt punish mushi hard enough going for runes and he only relied on pure bottle crowing...
however thats simply dendis philosphy ...
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yup this 1v1 is just for fun and guess what..mushi beat dendi just for fun