I Don't Care About Fun
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- I misjudged mill rogue, you can actually beat quest decks. If you hate your opponent just play mill rogue.
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Mill Rogue might be anti-fun, but there's no way I'm feeling sorry for a pirate warrior.
Sometimes the end justify the means.
I used to think "if only there were a few more pirates then a pirate deck could be a lot of fun!".
And now look where we are
@@AB0BA_69 1 mana draw ancharr is pretty good
well, it's fun for at least half the people in any match =D
As a cthun druid I do feel bad.
As much anti-fun Mill Rogue is, I don't blame anyone for playing it, because it's an archetype that functions as countermeasure to other anti-fun decks on ladder, it's been too long since it was a dominant deck.
Agreed. its no more "anti-fun" than dying to stupid quest warrior on turn 5
It's the Blade of anti-fun.
@@ThemajorGirfan honestly I think I prefer pirate warrior, and not by a small margin
@@zomtron pirate warrior is 30% of the ladder pre-legend. Mill rogue is probably less than 2%
@@zomtron same, I hate dying early, but not getting to play my deck in a long game is even worse
Say what you want about Mill Rogue, you have to smile seeing a Mage get Loatheb'd 6 turns in a row.
and then forgetting to ping off the evasion
@@alexanderd2767 confusion 100
Shudderwock shaman laughs at your “6 turns”
"It's not about card draw its about-
(MY HAND IS TOO FULL)
...sending a message"
i can hear uther saying that in my head
@@sinaruden9280 I think they were intending to quote Joker from The Dark Night lol
@@Redhotquagmire I meant Uther saying (MY HAND IS TOO FULL)
Imagine emoting about a non-interactive deck while playing a non-interactive deck KEKW
"KEKW"
"Hey Dane, what is the name of this single-player game?"
KEKS-R-US
Well, because emoting is the only interactive thing you can do in this case
I really feel like people take emotes way too seriously.
What I like about this deck, that this requires much more game knowledge to function properly than any other non-interactive decks, because it can boardlock itself, it can mill itself, and it can fatigue itself on low health levels if the player isn't skillfull enough.
Also mass bounces and both Scabbs require remebering the order of cards you play and the remaining discounts.
And the best part about this archetype, it is powerful, but has very low chances to become broken, because this deck is very tightly packed with a very specific cards, so it would need some direct upgrades to the existing cards to become broken and there are already some cards that are good, but just can't fit, like daring escape for self board cleaning/octopackage or combo guy, who draws 2 minions.
I can see the last card as a replacement for the prize vendor for fixing coldlight/loatheb draws, but I'm not sure about it
I wanna know what it plays like with the card replacement you suggested.
About that (first) Mage match:
I find it hilarious that these days there are hyper efficient infinite damage burn decks that can kill you on turn 5 from hand, that are completely destroyed by a card from Naxxramas.
Loatheb was released in 2014, think about that for a minute.
the infinite damage combo comes from the basic set
old cards are as broken as new ones in term of effects, they just cost more mana and have less stats
It’s nice that Dane’s opponents appreciate how clever he is.
"What is the name of this single player game?" Haha Well played, sir, well played.
The first game was unbelievably scary.
Also, as always, amazing thumbnails!
as a value deck player,as much as i hate mill deck,at least i can try to find a way to try to win even with bad luck of card,instead of rushing the enemy before they played the combo,or hoping i draw an early board clear or minion vs aggro
"I'm pretty sure fighting fire with fire will just make more fire"
- Sun Tsu, Art of War
I been getting legend with renolock in this nasty meta because I never left the year 2015. glad to see someone else is clapping cheeks with a retro deck
I just want to play Emperor, Giants, Boom and Leeroy on the same deck again, is it too much to ask? I even used to run Dreadsteed....
Copium
I'm running Shirvalah OTK! Loving it
@@henryy.4878 Go back to cringewitch
16:03 Imagine playing otk mage and also thinking you have the right to get titled
“Misery loves company” but Dane wasn’t buying it
I still remember one random game a few years back where I dominated a mill rogue by dirty ratting his first oracle and then hitting the other one with Snipe. Truly most hated deck of all time, next to big priest
I beat it yesterday on ladder with New C'thun Druid, very satisfying when they fail to burn any combo pieces and you clap them in the face with two C'thuns. Also beat them with a Jade Yog Druid. That one I just kept shuffling every second jade spell in. Card wise our decks stayed the same size while my board kept getting bigger. Always preferred Mill Druid over Mill Rogue but my favourite Mill deck would be the Warlock Treachery deck with the 5 manna 8/8 mech. Hope you've not been seeing much big priest on ladder. Take care and have a good one. :)
@@TheWarick I just recently tried making a treachery dwck with the 3/6 discard demon but it's sadly too slow and by the time you get rhe pieces you are dead If you play it or they have their combo pieces already. Also, I face big priest every single time I create some new control/greed deck and it reminds me why I hate this game lol. Even with all the devolve tools of shaman, the winrate is like 40% at best :(
@@TheMasterpiecePD I've played 3 big priests this season. Only at plat 10, haven't put in a huge amount of time. Have beaten them though. Always good if you have friends that play, you can get daily quests done in fun games. Meta I definitely not great but not the worst it's been. Will be interested in seeing what the mini set brings and what happens with rotation.
Wild really has become one of those anime series where the villains become the heroes
Back in the day I got denied multiple times by Mill Rogue while I was taking my Krullock list up. I felt a great degree of satisfaction in beating it that 1 in 6 times though. It was like dunking on someone.
Dane only uploads once in awhile but every time it’s high quality so the wait is worth it
11:30 welcome people welcome to loathebstone
Absolutely love what you did to those Ignite Mages.
Ahh Dane, man. Love the authenticity in "We all f'n'8 mill rogues."
the mage repeating "you are clever" while not being himself
The "Hey Dane, what's the name of this singleplayer game" donation is underrated
I’d happily lose to a mill rogue over losing to a brainless pirate warrior again any day of the week. I respect the mills strategy far more than I respect “derp derp me plays all the pirates and smash face derp derp”. Keep up the sterling work good sir ✊
Я люблю тебя, Дейн!
Ты и есть любовь!
Спасибо
I could watch this all day. Thanks.
To this day, I hate any sort of mill decks specifically because I didn't know how to handle playing against mill rogue back in 2014
I almost felt bad for that first mage.
..Almost.
You made me laugh, that’s the best medicine in the world, thanks again Dane , your content is amazing !
Dane’s deck ideas 🤝 Lotheb
I really like mill decks, are really fun to watch!!
I wish more people had your mindset of playing stuff other than the s tier autopilot garbage.
Developers need to decide what to do with game because it will be stuck like this even when new expansions come
@@chillraz3300 considering it’s been almost 6 months of this meta in wild, and nothing has happened, it’s safe to assume Blizzard have stopped caring
Didn't even break a sweat during that first match *flex*
best fun I've had in a long time. Giving your opponent 60 armour with numerous armour vendor / shark bounce backs, letting them ramp and build their board up numerous times without being able to use it to do anything more than clear up 1/1s, then remove all the armour in one turn with shark and 3 coldlights.
Feels like that's all Hearthstone is, fishing for someone you can troll with a bad matchup, and conceding to all of your bad matchups.
I stopped playing when Mill rogue stopped being viable. I learned it from you and savjz. I really enjoyed that style of play against different decks. Maybe I'll come back if it ever becomes semi viable again
Dane, back in the mix!
Before even watching I just have to say: What a fucking threatening title!
I've never played Mill Rogue (or Pirate Warrior or Quest Mage) so I had to give this a go, as I do own all the cards for it ... I had to take a break every few games, the turns require some intense thinking! My only loss was due to a mistake I made myself (so conceded), accidentally played a Vanish on an empty board while the rope was burning with a full hand, was supposed to play the secret. Oops, ah well.
Anyway, it was fun ... will keep it at the bottom of my decklist as DaneMill, right beside a golden oldie FirebatDiscard.
Cheers!
And thus, balance was restored to the universe
Hearthstone… the game that’s always more entertaining to watch other people play
Shaman takes hostages and Rogue burns everything down. XD
"Yo Dane, what is the name of this single player game?" 🤣
Instead of 0TK rogue, you can call this 10TK rogue
Ive always loved mill rogue, probably my favorite archetype, i wish it was more viable but when it works its more frustrating to play against than the old miracle rogue (the one forsen used to play).
"The Mad man did it again!"
Thank you so much for this sweet sweet revenge xD
I've missed watching high skill mill players, it might be anti fun, but it requires some brain unlike some of the other current anti fun decks. The constant loatheb against the mage was amazing fun.
mill rouge is one of those types where it sucks to play against but its just fun to play as.
Makes me think of White/Blue decks in MTG but less stupid
First game I played with this deck, I drew 16 cards and no draw or anything playable. GG
Dane's anti-hero arc.
25:07 is that a Twisted reference or am I looking too hard into this? 👀
I'd argue Pirate Warrior, Murlocs or whatever other super-aggro decks arround is the true anti-fun. In any case, they truly deserve every tiny bit of anti-fun they can get to experience themselves.
Beating anti-fun meta decks with an anti-fun niche deck?
I'll take it.
mill decks have always been my favorite...
17:06 What was that Mage turn? Like seriously how do you manage that?
Mill rogue is by far my all time favourite
спасибо за причину жить
You not alright lad?
@@urabus986
He is now
a few more gold into the shop, if i cant pull scabbs ima craft it
Hey mate! i just mixed your decks and it is awsome! this one and the owl deathrattle one! OTK its finest! try it! really fun
It's the least fun deck to play against, even though the competition is very, very strong?
The reason Mill Rogue is so unfun to face is because they're playing a different game entirely. Sure, they're using the same board and rule set, but the win condition and strategy seem to break the agreement both players are supposed to make when you start a game.
Only one person has to agree that the other should suffer
Mill rogue is infinitely more fun and honorable than quest hunter or pirate warrior, neither of which interact with 90% of the decks they face
I like mill rogue. It just feels really bad if you're playing a control deck. It punishes you extremely hard and right now heavy control decks are struggling already... so it's even worse.
This is true, but the reality is that almost every competitive deck for the past couple years has violated this agreement if you assume that the game is meant to be "both players draw cards and play them onto the board, interact with one another and gradually whittle down their opponent's health over many turns."
Aggro and high-roll decks kill their opponent before they can play any cards, combo decks kill their opponent from full health (sometimes 2-3 times full health and through ice block, so literally no counterplay outside armor druid memes), mill decks remove the cards from the card game and the closest thing to midrange decks that still exist rely on mechanics like freeze, cost increases and infinite value generation to keep their opponent from interacting with them or make it otherwise meaningless to do even try. If by some miracle you manage to find any other kind of matchup except it to still be decided by RNG at some point, since 99% of decks involve rolling dice with potentially massive consequences.
Hearthstone becoming solitaire isn't just a meme and it isn't only an issue with one or two decks, it's actually a pretty accurate description of the state of the game. Being mad at mill rogue in 2022 is just silly unless you just woke up from a 3-5 year coma. Be mad at the designers that seem to have completely lost focus on making anything even remotely resembling what hearthstone used to be.
20:05 lmao
No one:
Absolutly no one:
This mad lad: yeah so i got to legend with mill rogue
Dane, I love you, but please may we have the Street Fighter glitchy sounds over your censored swears, they warmed my heart.
Plus, this is random, but years ago, you had a video (can't find it now) in which your opponent hit you in the face with two mountain giants, and you had a glitchy effect flicker on screen when you took the impact. I thought that was a really cool effect and if you ever did it again, I'd be eternally grateful haha
I might be a little bit better at gardening than you, but you are most definitely a lot better at Hearthstone than me.
Anything that destroys pirate warrior or quest hunter is absolutely fine by me.
An elegant deck for a more civilized age.
Mill me to the spoon
This is probably something that everyone knows but I’m just gonna say it anyway: the issue that people have with mill rogue is that whoever is playing the deck might as well just be playing solitaire with a deck of playing cards as far as the other player is concerned (at least that’s how I feel). Like yeah they’re usually trying to figure out how to stay alive versus some decks but usually it’s really just them doing their game plan with no real counter play from the opponent. Same with most mage decks (as a more common/popular example of “solitaire decks”) since they just put up an ice block and then pull off some combo that involves sorcerer’s apprentice (which I seriously think needs to be nerfed to where the spells can’t be reduced below 0 mana or something similar) to just OTK the opponent. There’s a bit more counter play (loatheb, secret hate, etc) but it’s not always the best answer. I guess I’m just trying to say that I hate decks with no real counter play and the game just becomes one sided
@@arnaudthouvenot929 True. I'm just saying sometimes you see people running secret hate when mage decks running ice block are common on ladder. I'm not saying it's correct but it's an option and people do actually do it
shoutouts to "LaserDragon" with the most badass name
20:00 HAHAHAHAHAH
I want zola in this deck.
haha insane! love it!
Deck list??
No fun not ever.
is the deck worth playing w/o either version of scabbs. i have neither
no, Scabbs the reduction one allows you make some insane early plays.
The archetype definitely existed before Scabbs was printed this year, so it's certainly possible. The game has only grown increasingly faster though so just like anything else by playing an outdated version of the archetype you're just going to have a more difficult time actually playing cards before you explode.
If you already have the other cards there's no reason not to try it out though, other than the emotional trauma you subject yourself to by logging into hearthstone. There are a lot of good cards to sub in like Daring Escape, Elven Minstrel, the deathknight or even just some more cheap removal. You won't be able to do great things as consistently but you'll still occasionally be able to do things that more or less resemble what Dane did.
there are many different versions and combos to execute this playstyle
That's disgusting. I love it.
anti-fun is fun to play, sure alone the knowledge you opponent suffers during the play maybe even more then over a loss is a win if you play just for the fun of beating the opponent.
amazing, as alwasy
Playing against mill rogue is horrible. How much fun is facing all these silly odd hunters, pirate warriors etc?
Also, I think that Skulking Geist with Valeera should be a thing as well in lower dia caus of so many hunters.
love ya dude
why u looking like Linguini in the thumbnail?
ALRIGHT LAD
I respect mill rogue more than I do pirate warrior. Give me "solve the puzzle" over "play pirates" any day
where is the final clap?
I love trout
Perfect deck to waste the time of your Opponent.
I already did it that was some mounth ago. Just need a good build.
Anti-fun is how I feel about any togwaggle deck. Win or lose it’s just not fun to play against. I want to use the deck I built. That’s why I built it. If I can’t use my deck in a game of hearthstone then I’m just conceding or quitting because that’s why I wanted to play in the first place.
I don’t mind losing. Losing can still be fun. But cards like togwaggle are just designed to ruin the fun of the other person.
the meta is killing your opponent before they play their cards. Im able to play more cards from my deck against togwaggle than pirate warrior or combo mages since togwaggle doesn't kill you on turn 4
@@catnhood8609 Exactly.
@@catnhood8609 You are justifying a lengthy torture because execution exists. I'd rather be rejected instantly than lead on for another 20 turns, its the same reason mill rogue is hated, not saying they can't be fun but the moment they become the fixation of the netdeck NPCs they are far worse than a quick death.
Dane, are you getting enough sleep, mate? Your eyes look puffy as hell, dude. Please look after yourself!
18:57 Nomraly i watch them playing an online game alone.
i love to see when those ppl cant do anything and feel the pain i feel when i play vs that in normals
it is definitely fun to see quest warrior to suffer! big like (work on your thumbnail pls)
YOUR OWL ROUGE IS NOT FUN AT ALL 300 HP COMBO IS TOO MUCH !!!
8:21 Opponent had lethal here. Should have used weapon when u had only 1 minion left so the bombs finish the job.
He had the secret activate did you forget ? It pops at the second your hero take a dmg
@@wxyzmarkus6834 I kinda think the ombs would still trigger :P
@@newpowerup1996 the secret gives immune though (not stealth) so they won't damage him
First bomb that hits him he goes immune. Second bomb does nothing.
Fun? Hearthstone is about winning and clout.
Simply winning is not that exciting after you won like 5000 matches
First
Why gang-up instead of lab recruited? Body, might be double battle-cried, returned to hand etc etc
Gets in the way of Potion of Illusions, probably. As loath as I am to suggest it myself, you don't really need an infinite deck - a slightly larger one than your opponent's is fine, all the meta decks are drawing as fast as they can already.
@@noatrope i get your point, but i dont think PoF is good enough excuse to not swap them. It might be even better with PoF.
Personally id rather run lab (as i'm doing for months) because x2 shuffle on oracle is really huge. ,,Double" your chances of drawing win condition is really good ^^
On other hand, gang up works with prep. So its questionable, but my personal opinion is that lab is better
@@boobuu8495 Could be, then! I haven't played this particular deck, so I was just taking a guess. (It also occurs to me that Lab takes up a board space, which are at a premium and you only have so many ways to remove your own cards on the turn you go off... but also you probably shouldn't be playing them that turn anyway since they don't directly contribute to burst damage, and having to restock your deck at the last minute to avoid fatigue seems like a fairly niche situation.)
@@noatrope board space is great point!
Once against mage id lose because if i couldnt remove my 1/1 to play loathebs, one of them was lab.
Luckily my opponent was stupid and played 2/2 minions kek
The fact you rope every turn to the end is pretty infuriating. Can't imagine how your opponents feel. Lack of sportsmanship that is
You mean having to think about my turn and the next turn? God forbid mate I use my allotted time to make decisions ;)
@@DaneYT you have all of the opponent's turn to think as well. Are you saying you're slow in the head? That's ok 😊
@@SocietyKilledTheUnicorn We can't all be a super brain like you
@@DaneYT clearly🤦
Hello Mr. Dane how are ya? XD