I've been using stiff cardboard boxes filled with fresh soil for nigh on ten years, not just wine boxes, and so far no incidence of rose plant disease.
Fantastic summary of that research! I was not familiar with this “rose sickness” - perhaps it is referred to differently here in the US 🤔 The wine box approach seems logical - but I fancy the idea of marigolds feeding the pollinators and correcting the soil all in one go. ☺️ Thank you for the garden lesson.
No it’s called the same - rose replant disease or RRD and it affects more than roses. Just search “rose replant disease”. Marigolds aren’t a one shot deal either. Some think it is an issue of soils being deficient and needing to be recharged with minerals, pH adjusted, mycorrhiza and beneficial bacteria added and worked up so oxygen can get to roots and drainage is improved. We use to work the ground, and add manures and healthy crops back into the soil. Good gardeners have always know this and did this before making new beds or bring fallow land back into production. They did these things along with crop rotation and cover cropping long before they had fancy trendy names. They did it because it worked. You will find more scientific and trial based articles if you look at “Apple replant disease” and the same thing affects apples, cherry, plums, pears, etc. They can help, but the chemicals they pull up are in the plant, and thus some feel should should be destroyed and depending on the residual chemical, the nectar can kill the pollinator. Marigolds were used back in my great grandmother’s day - born in 1892, died 1982 at 90. But also my grandparents and me after them. It’s not new. It’s just they are doing trials to figure out what the old timers knew. You want the taller Tagetes erecta (Mexican or African marigolds). The shorter French bedding marigolds (Tagetes patula) doesn’t do as good a job it seems. Here is one article on soil reclamation or the fancy name is Phytoremediation. Mustard, sunflowers, Indian grass, etc are a couple more. This is just one magazine article, but it’s a good start before you get into the deeper material. Look for University based articles that have trialed different plants - www.iamcountryside.com/growing/phytoremediation-plants-clean-contaminated-soil/ As I said, there are other plants which can be used for land reclamation. Research and you will find them. You can find dozes and dozens of articles including university based ones. The disease, or syndrome really bas always been in old rose growing books about digging the old soil out completely and replacing when putting new roses in old rose beds. I have grown roses since I was 17 so now 50 years of growing and have know about it for that long and based on my old books - it’s been known about for century or more. I think it is a combination of issues from various nematodes to some crops just strip the soil and the nutrients must be replaced. We didn’t have as much a problem, because old Gardner’s were just better at these things than the almost beginner growers of today. Back even 30 years ago but certainly longer - gardeners were farmers first, they understood the soil and the importance of what it needed. They had to, it was also the source of their food. It wasn’t until the 1950s after WW2 when the heyday of so many chemicals hit and really started ruining our soil, air, and water. It’s also when so many cars hit the road, leave gas and oil on roads to seep into the water and soil not to mention leaving its scent in the air. Before it was horses leaving manure and urine by the road side and seeping into the soil. The weedeaters were sheep, cattle, horses, goats. And getting rid of nematodes with marigolds go back at least to my great grandmother’s time - they planted marigolds around everything. My old rose bed has been dormant and lacking roses for 10 years. Some other plants do okay though not great but it’s getting better. I’m hoping to plant once again marigolds (Mexican and African) next spring until revitalize with solarization next year, making sure pH and minerals are correct via soil testing, cover crops (clover, buckwheat, legumes like beans, peas, alfalfa, etc) and the addition of variety of microbes (Quantum Total) and using Kelp (kelpMax) along with slow release low NPK with microbes and biofungicides right after the ground cools after solarization for next July/August and hopefully we will try in the fall or the next spring a rose or two. It’s no guarantee but I just can’t remove this entire bed of soil - it’s not the removal as such - it’s find decent soil. Most of the bulk soil you find is subsoil they add fine ground bark and other wastes calling it compost. They screen the subsoil and fluff it all and you think you have something good and the compost posted wood (sometimes dyed to look dark) is a joke. Buy some, send it off to your local extension office for testing and see what you get. They have to add 50% compost to make it look decent but you shouldn’t add more than 30-35% compost - you need the minerals in native soil to grow tasty healthy vegetables and fruits. Otherwise you have to add all of that back and it takes a whole to do organically though the hydroponic folks do it overnight with chemicals. But calcium and magnesium is vital along with all the other trace minerals. It’s very difficult to find rich native top soil full of minerals anymore. We have run out of it and what’s left is terribly contaminated by every chemical known to man. Buy what you can - try to stay away from potting soils (they are just a combination of peat Moss and/or fine ground bark they call natural forest products, perlite and occasionally other materials like coir. Potting soil is great for getting seedlings started because it’s sterile and you don’t expose the seeds to all the bad fungi of native soil and they get started and mature before getting planted in your yard. They have chance once older. But for long time growing, it’s no good unless you do the same as nurseries do, add NPK including calcium, magnesium, and all the essential trace minerals needed at each watering. Most of what they use are synthetic instead of organic nutrients. Why, they need it to work fast, can’t wait a couple of years. They also use lots of fungicides and pesticides to keep them growing. Once you get them home, it’s up to you and your soil to keep them alive. Actually there are several other diseases from fusarium to the water molds like Phytophthora and phythium that disease the soil worse than RRD or rose replant disease. They can affect the soil for decades and are currently sipping out hundreds of thousands of acres from production. Fusarium is causing our current most commercial grown banana to go extinct and billions are being spent to try and save entire countries crops. But it also affects many other ornamentals and food crops. The water molds are the same - causing root rots and wiping out entire jungles. Just do a little research and you will discover how much trouble we are in with our food crop security. Read about many plant diseases and pests wiping out entire crops and contaminating entire farms for years. These same diseases that affect our roses, Orchids, and other ornamentals are also destroying billions of dollars of food crops and causing some to be “extinct”. Look up the YT video and articles on Cavendish banana and it’s battle.
What a great video. You are a mine of information. Breakthroughs like this are very exciting. Marigolds and wineboxes.... certainly a very economical solution!
Fascinating thank you, so very well explained ! I moved here last year, there are many previously planted roses and I am currently debating what to do with a rose that's grown up very tall through a huge himalayan honeysuckle & enormous grass! It's one big mess, I would like to remove the entire thing and replant with David Austin Roses. I was going to use your bottomless planters idea (which is just brilliant in itself) but this now gives me options I didn't think I had.
Great information! I always love your videos because I always learn something plus the garden is beautiful. Did I hear you right? David Austin was your uncle???
Tagetes patula. Bunny mentioned "nema", as in nematodes. I see Marshall's, among others, do a nema seed mix. Useful, but rather vivid! Hope that helps.
Fabulous ..... I have never heard about planting in a wine box ! OK....time to open some bottles and have Drinkies !! lol I will be growing marigolds around my roses and digging them in too. Greetings from Australia.
Hi Bunny, great info for us rose lovers thank you! Problem me with the marigolds is the color clashing. Do they come in pink yet? Also, would love to see your gardens in bloom this coming season 😊
I've heard of rose sickness before and have tried with some success, just removing the soil and adding Miracle Grow outdoor soil mix. Thank you for this video though
So can you sow marigold seeds around your rose plants and flip them if you've had your rose in for say a decade or two, just to help them thrive where they are?
I think that sounds like a good idea, they use the marigolds when they produce mycorrhiza commercially, so they could be beneficial to the soil biome.😋
Hi Bunny. Very fascinating info on this subject. So what is the latest news on the rose you planted with the wine box. I'm curious because this spring I'm going to plant a Climber( Lady of Shallot) where another climber( Princess of Margaretta) was and I'm going to do exactly what you did - with a wine box.
The roses are doing really well. I imagine the cardboard has pretty well much rotted by now, and the roots will be spreading out from that in the box to the original soil. But because they are well on the way to becoming established they will be able to withstand any attack by harmful organisms. I find that roses in my soil do take a good two years to establish and next summer if it is excessively dry again I will give a good soak every month or so if they looked even slightly stressed. 🐇
The roses are doing really well. I imagine the cardboard has pretty well much rotted by now, and the roots will be spreading out from that in the box to the original soil. But because they are well on the way to becoming established they will be able to withstand any attack by harmful organisms. I find that roses in my soil do take a good two years to establish and next summer if it is excessively dry again I will give a good soak every month or so if they looked even slightly stressed. 🐇
Last Autumn I had to dig a dead tree out of a border, in the process an established scrambling Rose was also lifted, the put back into the soil 2 feet away from its original location, as this Rose is already mature and established, will it be susceptible to Rose Replant disease? For the last month it has put on leaf and seems to be thriving.
Fantastic video, full of information. One question if you don't mind- you said that the problem is from a build up of fungi and bacteria - is it problem because a large population of fungi and bacteria have grown alongside the mature rose and when the mature rose is taken out and then the new rose has been planted, it cannot cope with the population numbers? Thanks again
I am not totally sure that the quantities of pathogenic fungi and bacteria are huge but they colonise the soil and then attack the new rose roots. The microbiome of the soil is really complex, you can find the whole paper on the scientific search engine ‘google scholar’ there are lots of graphs, pix etc. A bit of an eye opener!🧐
Hey Bunny, thank you, this is the best data on rose sickness in a long time. On planting in cardboard boxes, do you remove the bottom? On the one hand, it may somewhat defeat the point, but I am worried about slow drainage through the cardboard.
Hi no I keep bottom in and make sure I water at least once a week till bottom has rotted and roots can get away. I don’t think it takes many months to do this 🐇
@@bunnyguinness Cheers, I went ahead and did just that; I prefer planting elsewhere, but this spot needed a climber and the two years old Claire Austin I had there previously wouldn’t do. And your recommendation suits me well, already had the roses and clematis watered deeply once a week.
You can use a soil activator. My rosegrower recomended it. they had very good results. It activate the microorganism and helps to build up humus in the soil. Tagetes is a fantastic plant 🌼👍🏼
Hi Bunny, I planted the "Claire Austin" climbing rose last year in the exact place I had removed a very old climber, is the new rose ruined or could I dig it up and move it to a new position? Would it still be infected or would it recover and reach its full potential? Love your videos!
I bought four David Austin roses and tried the replant method whereby you plant them in a box and place it in the soil and it did not work. Rose replant disease kicked in and killed all of my rosebushes. This method is rubbish! And it was a very expensive lesson to learn.
Very informative. I have a rose that is 25 years old. She struggled a bit, so I cut her back to about 2 feet. There’s new foliage, and some older foliage coming back. I gave it rose fertilizer in March and sprayed the leaves today, as something is eating them. I may move to a fresh spot in autumn. What u think?
I've been using stiff cardboard boxes filled with fresh soil for nigh on ten years, not just wine boxes, and so far no incidence of rose plant disease.
Brilliant, helpful confirmation thanks😊
Thank you bunny, I learn so much each time I watch your videos.
Brilliant thank you Bunny. I will try the wine box to replant a rose that has died. Your research is excellent and your advice invaluable
Fantastic summary of that research! I was not familiar with this “rose sickness” - perhaps it is referred to differently here in the US 🤔 The wine box approach seems logical - but I fancy the idea of marigolds feeding the pollinators and correcting the soil all in one go. ☺️ Thank you for the garden lesson.
No it’s called the same - rose replant disease or RRD and it affects more than roses. Just search “rose replant disease”. Marigolds aren’t a one shot deal either. Some think it is an issue of soils being deficient and needing to be recharged with minerals, pH adjusted, mycorrhiza and beneficial bacteria added and worked up so oxygen can get to roots and drainage is improved. We use to work the ground, and add manures and healthy crops back into the soil. Good gardeners have always know this and did this before making new beds or bring fallow land back into production. They did these things along with crop rotation and cover cropping long before they had fancy trendy names. They did it because it worked. You will find more scientific and trial based articles if you look at “Apple replant disease” and the same thing affects apples, cherry, plums, pears, etc. They can help, but the chemicals they pull up are in the plant, and thus some feel should should be destroyed and depending on the residual chemical, the nectar can kill the pollinator. Marigolds were used back in my great grandmother’s day - born in 1892, died 1982 at 90. But also my grandparents and me after them. It’s not new. It’s just they are doing trials to figure out what the old timers knew. You want the taller Tagetes erecta (Mexican or African marigolds). The shorter French bedding marigolds (Tagetes patula) doesn’t do as good a job it seems. Here is one article on soil reclamation or the fancy name is Phytoremediation. Mustard, sunflowers, Indian grass, etc are a couple more. This is just one magazine article, but it’s a good start before you get into the deeper material. Look for University based articles that have trialed different plants - www.iamcountryside.com/growing/phytoremediation-plants-clean-contaminated-soil/
As I said, there are other plants which can be used for land reclamation. Research and you will find them. You can find dozes and dozens of articles including university based ones. The disease, or syndrome really bas always been in old rose growing books about digging the old soil out completely and replacing when putting new roses in old rose beds. I have grown roses since I was 17 so now 50 years of growing and have know about it for that long and based on my old books - it’s been known about for century or more. I think it is a combination of issues from various nematodes to some crops just strip the soil and the nutrients must be replaced. We didn’t have as much a problem, because old Gardner’s were just better at these things than the almost beginner growers of today. Back even 30 years ago but certainly longer - gardeners were farmers first, they understood the soil and the importance of what it needed. They had to, it was also the source of their food. It wasn’t until the 1950s after WW2 when the heyday of so many chemicals hit and really started ruining our soil, air, and water. It’s also when so many cars hit the road, leave gas and oil on roads to seep into the water and soil not to mention leaving its scent in the air. Before it was horses leaving manure and urine by the road side and seeping into the soil. The weedeaters were sheep, cattle, horses, goats. And getting rid of nematodes with marigolds go back at least to my great grandmother’s time - they planted marigolds around everything.
My old rose bed has been dormant and lacking roses for 10 years. Some other plants do okay though not great but it’s getting better. I’m hoping to plant once again marigolds (Mexican and African) next spring until revitalize with solarization next year, making sure pH and minerals are correct via soil testing, cover crops (clover, buckwheat, legumes like beans, peas, alfalfa, etc) and the addition of variety of microbes (Quantum Total) and using Kelp (kelpMax) along with slow release low NPK with microbes and biofungicides right after the ground cools after solarization for next July/August and hopefully we will try in the fall or the next spring a rose or two. It’s no guarantee but I just can’t remove this entire bed of soil - it’s not the removal as such - it’s find decent soil. Most of the bulk soil you find is subsoil they add fine ground bark and other wastes calling it compost. They screen the subsoil and fluff it all and you think you have something good and the compost posted wood (sometimes dyed to look dark) is a joke. Buy some, send it off to your local extension office for testing and see what you get. They have to add 50% compost to make it look decent but you shouldn’t add more than 30-35% compost - you need the minerals in native soil to grow tasty healthy vegetables and fruits. Otherwise you have to add all of that back and it takes a whole to do organically though the hydroponic folks do it overnight with chemicals. But calcium and magnesium is vital along with all the other trace minerals. It’s very difficult to find rich native top soil full of minerals anymore. We have run out of it and what’s left is terribly contaminated by every chemical known to man. Buy what you can - try to stay away from potting soils (they are just a combination of peat Moss and/or fine ground bark they call natural forest products, perlite and occasionally other materials like coir. Potting soil is great for getting seedlings started because it’s sterile and you don’t expose the seeds to all the bad fungi of native soil and they get started and mature before getting planted in your yard. They have chance once older. But for long time growing, it’s no good unless you do the same as nurseries do, add NPK including calcium, magnesium, and all the essential trace minerals needed at each watering. Most of what they use are synthetic instead of organic nutrients. Why, they need it to work fast, can’t wait a couple of years. They also use lots of fungicides and pesticides to keep them growing. Once you get them home, it’s up to you and your soil to keep them alive.
Actually there are several other diseases from fusarium to the water molds like Phytophthora and phythium that disease the soil worse than RRD or rose replant disease. They can affect the soil for decades and are currently sipping out hundreds of thousands of acres from production. Fusarium is causing our current most commercial grown banana to go extinct and billions are being spent to try and save entire countries crops. But it also affects many other ornamentals and food crops. The water molds are the same - causing root rots and wiping out entire jungles. Just do a little research and you will discover how much trouble we are in with our food crop security. Read about many plant diseases and pests wiping out entire crops and contaminating entire farms for years. These same diseases that affect our roses, Orchids, and other ornamentals are also destroying billions of dollars of food crops and causing some to be “extinct”. Look up the YT video and articles on Cavendish banana and it’s battle.
What a great video. You are a mine of information. Breakthroughs like this are very exciting. Marigolds and wineboxes.... certainly a very economical solution!
I had just received an order of David Austin roses on the day I saw this video! Thank you Bunny! I will use this approach .
Fascinating thank you, so very well explained ! I moved here last year, there are many previously planted roses and I am currently debating what to do with a rose that's grown up very tall through a huge himalayan honeysuckle & enormous grass! It's one big mess, I would like to remove the entire thing and replant with David Austin Roses. I was going to use your bottomless planters idea (which is just brilliant in itself) but this now gives me options I didn't think I had.
Thank you for the great information
Very helpful video! Thank you💕🌸
Thank you for such an amazing info
Great information! I always love your videos because I always learn something plus the garden is beautiful. Did I hear you right? David Austin was your uncle???
Good thinking!
Great information. I love swapping roses around. Generally I stick to pots. I’ll try this in the garden. Thanks !
Such an admirer of your uncle's roses. Have planted squire and ambridge. Would love to know more about David Austin.
Yes they are great and so was he, I’m a big fan too 👌🏻
great information ! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Can you please spell the name of the marigold used ?
Thank you
Tagetes patula. Bunny mentioned "nema", as in nematodes. I see Marshall's, among others, do a nema seed mix. Useful, but rather vivid! Hope that helps.
@@auntfanny3266 Thank you !!!
They are Tagetes Patula ‘Nemamix’ .I think there are also some others that can be used too if you can’t get these. 🐇
@@bunnyguinness Thank you !
Great finding! Thanks for sharing!
Fabulous ..... I have never heard about planting in a wine box ! OK....time to open some bottles and have Drinkies !! lol
I will be growing marigolds around my roses and digging them in too. Greetings from Australia.
Hi Bunny, great info for us rose lovers thank you! Problem me with the marigolds is the color clashing. Do they come in pink yet? Also, would love to see your gardens in bloom this coming season 😊
Not an easy colour I agree, I don’t think they will ever come in pink though, but you need only grow for a season🐇
I've heard of rose sickness before and have tried with some success, just removing the soil and adding Miracle Grow outdoor soil mix. Thank you for this video though
brilliant. thanks
So can you sow marigold seeds around your rose plants and flip them if you've had your rose in for say a decade or two, just to help them thrive where they are?
I think that sounds like a good idea, they use the marigolds when they produce mycorrhiza commercially, so they could be beneficial to the soil biome.😋
Hi Bunny. Very fascinating info on this subject. So what is the latest news on the rose you planted with the wine box. I'm curious because this spring I'm going to plant a Climber( Lady of Shallot) where another climber( Princess of Margaretta) was and I'm going to do exactly what you did - with a wine box.
The roses are doing really well. I imagine the cardboard has pretty well much rotted by now, and the roots will be spreading out from that in the box to the original soil. But because they are well on the way to becoming established they will be able to withstand any attack by harmful organisms. I find that roses in my soil do take a good two years to establish and next summer if it is excessively dry again I will give a good soak every month or so if they looked even slightly stressed. 🐇
The roses are doing really well. I imagine the cardboard has pretty well much rotted by now, and the roots will be spreading out from that in the box to the original soil. But because they are well on the way to becoming established they will be able to withstand any attack by harmful organisms. I find that roses in my soil do take a good two years to establish and next summer if it is excessively dry again I will give a good soak every month or so if they looked even slightly stressed. 🐇
Fascinating! I'm digging out my marigold seeds!
Very helpful
Last Autumn I had to dig a dead tree out of a border, in the process an established scrambling Rose was also lifted, the put back into the soil 2 feet away from its original location, as this Rose is already mature and established, will it be susceptible to Rose Replant disease? For the last month it has put on leaf and seems to be thriving.
Hello jay
Sorry it here about your roses.
Do you watch Bunny Guinness she has done some research on RRD on her UA-cam channel.
It might help. Xx
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Fantastic video, full of information. One question if you don't mind- you said that the problem is from a build up of fungi and bacteria - is it problem because a large population of fungi and bacteria have grown alongside the mature rose and when the mature rose is taken out and then the new rose has been planted, it cannot cope with the population numbers? Thanks again
I am not totally sure that the quantities of pathogenic fungi and bacteria are huge but they colonise the soil and then attack the new rose roots. The microbiome of the soil is really complex, you can find the whole paper on the scientific search engine ‘google scholar’ there are lots of graphs, pix etc. A bit of an eye opener!🧐
Hey Bunny, thank you, this is the best data on rose sickness in a long time.
On planting in cardboard boxes, do you remove the bottom? On the one hand, it may somewhat defeat the point, but I am worried about slow drainage through the cardboard.
Hi no I keep bottom in and make sure I water at least once a week till bottom has rotted and roots can get away. I don’t think it takes many months to do this 🐇
@@bunnyguinness Cheers, I went ahead and did just that; I prefer planting elsewhere, but this spot needed a climber and the two years old Claire Austin I had there previously wouldn’t do. And your recommendation suits me well, already had the roses and clematis watered deeply once a week.
You can use a soil activator. My rosegrower recomended it. they had very good results. It activate the microorganism and helps to build up humus in the soil. Tagetes is a fantastic plant 🌼👍🏼
Fascinated by your comment, what ‘activator’ was it he recommended please?
@@bunnyguinness "Oscorna Bodenaktivator". I use it around in my garden and for the lawn.
You are always full of fascinating information! I wonder if that is a disease that affects us here in Colorado?
Yes I am sure it does, maybe it has a different name.?
@@bunnyguinness will have to investigate further!😁
Another option is water the roses with a dedicated fungicide.
Hi Bunny, I planted the "Claire Austin" climbing rose last year in the exact place I had removed a very old climber, is the new rose ruined or could I dig it up and move it to a new position? Would it still be infected or would it recover and reach its full potential? Love your videos!
I bought four David Austin roses and tried the replant method whereby you plant them in a box and place it in the soil and it did not work. Rose replant disease kicked in and killed all of my rosebushes. This method is rubbish! And it was a very expensive lesson to learn.
Wow!
I’m gonna try your trick
Very informative. I have a rose that is 25 years old. She struggled a bit, so I cut her back to about 2 feet. There’s new foliage, and some older foliage coming back. I gave it rose fertilizer in March and sprayed the leaves today, as something is eating them. I may move to a fresh spot in autumn. What u think?
I'm not sure you can safely move a rose as old and mature as that (even bare root)
Who else ordered marigold seeds while watching this 😆
So I’m guessing you can use any cardboard box lol
Woow beautiful😍😍😍
Of course the best part of this technique is chugging down all that wine so you can use the box ;)
🐇!