The old Thomas Built bus factory, High Point, North Carolina, riveted millions of rivets into school bus bodies with one man inside and the other outside. They were all hand built and rolled on steel wheel carriages by hand from station to station until just a few years ago. They were however cold rivets but still solid rivet, not a pop in. Anyone that ever had to repair body damage knows how tough rivets are. This is a masterful video. Thanks.
I really enjoy bucking small rivets cold, with a rivet gun and the strength of them is amazing as you pointed out. When they get to be 3/8" or larger I always heat and buck. Glad you enjoyed the video and always good to hear from you.
Super video,,,brought back memories of my apprentice Iron Workers days of 1971 where riveting was taught in class, but never got to do in the field,,,Thx Brain, took me back 49 yrs as I watched this, Bear
Thank you for doing this video. I did a Willys MB chassis 2 years ago and used button head bolts and all metal locking nuts, then filled the hex head in with weld. I couldn't get the rivets to form to my satisfaction. I'm going to do a GPW frame next and now feel confident that I can do it the right way!
I think its awesome you are taking Matt under your wing and showing him these skills. Nobody know how to do this any more. Everything here in silicon valley is all high tech computery things. My grandpa showed me how to hot and cold rivet, weld and how to forge things. Thank God for old guys! Times have changed so much, so sad, in many ways everything now a days is disposable. Thanks for sharing your skills with us all
Thanks for watching and commenting. Hard to find anyone that wants to work on older iron these days but hopefully people will enjoy seeing my videos and how things are done.
metalshaper oh yes absolutely fascinating to see flat sheet be formed into something I’ve known all my life (jeeps) I’ve had a love affair with jeeps, they embody Independence and exploration of the outdoors, hunting trips and better times as a young fella with my grandpa , Dad, and old uncles around the fire telling stories, jeeps parked around in a circle, tents full of snoring old guys. It’s funny what memories are triggered by seeing a Jeep. I’m looking for a good Jeep to relive my youth while I still can. Sorry for the rabbit hole from the past. I guess I’m trying say thank you for sharing your videos they make me happy.
That's very interesting; never seen it done before. I've had a couple of CJ2A's and CJ3A's, but never a CJ5, so I never noticed the difference with the flat vs. round rivet heads. Thanks!
This was the video I was waiting for! I have 2 M38A1 frames needing this done. Having pounded thousands of aircraft aluminum rivets I was thinking bucking bar and heavy 9x rivet gun. That sounds fine in theory, but watching the heat flow out of your rivets, I might rethink. The clamped up bars seem to work pretty well too. Thanks for the video!! Keep ‘em coming!
The Willys frame is so light I like to do them by hand. A large rivet gun can make a mess in no time if you are not careful. I use rivet guns on heavy truck frames when using 1/2" or larger rivets.
did something similar on my GPW with the rivets. Used a lot heat sinks and used an air chisel with an adapter to make the GPW crowned rivets by mistake by the way. I drilled my tool out a little bit and ended up with a pointed rivet. By far my favorite part of the frame.
I love the fact that your showing the younger folks about the trade. That’s Awesome. I’m up in Springfield Massachusetts someday I’d like to come out and see you. Just keep doing what you do. Awesome
Have you used icing yet? It replaced the crappy old nitro putty from the lacquer days . It’s pretty slick filler thinner the plastic filler and uses a cream hardner . Sands easy and don’t shrink and crack.
Yes I have used it before. I like to get things as straight and perfect as I can and can usually get by with a couple of coats of hi build primer before paint
Matt's rivet is just happy, see it is smiling. Matt everyone that has set rivets has put a smile or 2 on them at some time. Working on aircraft I have pounded thousands of rivets, (aluminum or monel rivets). Never have the rivets been hot , but sometimes the rivets I have used been frozen. Lol. Would an pneumatic rivet gun work for doing the hot rivets? Thanks for all the great videos you give us for our education and entertainment.
I can be done with a large rivet gun and I have tried that in the past. A Willys frame is light and the large gun can do some damage quickly. Also wanted to show how to do it with a very minimal amount of tools. On large frames with 1/2" rivets I use a large rivet gun, on small stuff hand bucking with heat gives great results.
That was interesting. I installed rivets in my 3b 10 years ago and I tried heating them but they always came out loose so I bought a 7x rivet gun and used a 10lb sledge hammer head as my bucking bar and cold bucked all my rivets, it came out great but I like seeing how you did it by applying heat and the force to the tail side of the rivet, it's opposite of how I was taught to rivet, very cool!
Brian, once again you've shown how to do a job the right way. I thank you because this is what I am doing on my CJ5. Do you know where I could purchase the 3/8" flat head rivet set tool?
I make all of my rivet sets. Best to have a local machinist make one for you with the head shape you want. I always use 1144 steel when making rivet tools
Rivet guns work, but I only use them on heavy frame sections that can handle it. This video of for the guys that are doing it by hand but still want perfect results.
@@metalshaperJeep thanks much i kinda figured you did i am restoreing a 54 3b may need some body parts wnen i get deeper into it i know i am going to need some oil for front end and tranny keep up the good work
That was Matt's very first rivet and I am trying to get him comfortable with a hammer in his hand. I use old school motivation and it still works. Thanks for watching.
metalshaper nothing wrong with what you said.. go have him pound in a thousand nails in a board until he can swing straight,to get the hang of it.. my first job was nailing off a shear wall by hand until my arm went numb, than I switched hands and nailed with other.. not very productive but good learning experience.. I heard and expression once . Goes something like this.. if filling a wheelbarrow gets you tired, take a break and roll it 50 yards and dump it. One is a break from the other but you sill have to work hard all the time, no excuses no complaining.
Been trying to find someone to learn and take over the business for many years now. Still have not found anyone but maybe someday before I am too old someone will want to learn my trade.
metalshaper most people do not want the responsibility to run a company, your best chance is to either sell everything as a company or keep training others to do the grunt work, while you run the new jobs, paperwork side and keep overseeing. People that want to run there own business either buy one or start from scratch. But I get it the world is falling apart people do not pay, call back and so on.. I am out of it all now, retired no debt and just play around with new challenges to kill time.
Matt's lucky to have such an experienced teacher. Nice job Matt!
Good to hear from you George
Good video and a pretty good job by Matt for his first try on riveting.
Thanks for sharing!
Everybody has to have a first time, and Matt did much better on his second rivet.
Found your videos after buying my first willys jeeps. Love the videos. Keep them coming, very informative!
The old Thomas Built bus factory, High Point, North Carolina, riveted millions of rivets into school bus bodies with one man inside and the other outside. They were all hand built and rolled on steel wheel carriages by hand from station to station until just a few years ago. They were however cold rivets but still solid rivet, not a pop in. Anyone that ever had to repair body damage knows how tough rivets are. This is a masterful video. Thanks.
I really enjoy bucking small rivets cold, with a rivet gun and the strength of them is amazing as you pointed out. When they get to be 3/8" or larger I always heat and buck. Glad you enjoyed the video and always good to hear from you.
Super video,,,brought back memories of my apprentice Iron Workers days of 1971 where riveting was taught in class, but never got to do in the field,,,Thx Brain, took me back 49 yrs as I watched this, Bear
Hammer and tool control Matt!! Brian makes it look easy!!! Great Video!!!
All it takes is a lifetime of work to make it look easy. Matt did much better on his second rivet.
You make this look really easy. Very cool.
I have set thousands of rivets, but with a little practice anybody can turn out perfect results
I have been waiting for this one. Thanks for sharing
glad you enjoyed it.
Great work Brian and Matt
thanks for watching george
Thank you for doing this video. I did a Willys MB chassis 2 years ago and used button head bolts and all metal locking nuts, then filled the hex head in with weld. I couldn't get the rivets to form to my satisfaction. I'm going to do a GPW frame next and now feel confident that I can do it the right way!
Once you get the hang of hot riveting you will be making perfect rivet heads. Just practice on a few first and then go for it.
Very interesting--I had never see that technique before. Thanks for another useful video.
A good technique to master, and with some practice good results are possible.
I think its awesome you are taking Matt under your wing and showing him these skills. Nobody know how to do this any more. Everything here in silicon valley is all high tech computery things. My grandpa showed me how to hot and cold rivet, weld and how to forge things. Thank God for old guys! Times have changed so much, so sad, in many ways everything now a days is disposable. Thanks for sharing your skills with us all
Thanks for watching and commenting. Hard to find anyone that wants to work on older iron these days but hopefully people will enjoy seeing my videos and how things are done.
metalshaper oh yes absolutely fascinating to see flat sheet be formed into something I’ve known all my life (jeeps) I’ve had a love affair with jeeps, they embody Independence and exploration of the outdoors, hunting trips and better times as a young fella with my grandpa , Dad, and old uncles around the fire telling stories, jeeps parked around in a circle, tents full of snoring old guys. It’s funny what memories are triggered by seeing a Jeep. I’m looking for a good Jeep to relive my youth while I still can. Sorry for the rabbit hole from the past. I guess I’m trying say thank you for sharing your videos they make me happy.
Great job guys.
That's very interesting; never seen it done before. I've had a couple of CJ2A's and CJ3A's, but never a CJ5, so I never noticed the difference with the flat vs. round rivet heads. Thanks!
This was the video I was waiting for! I have 2 M38A1 frames needing this done. Having pounded thousands of aircraft aluminum rivets I was thinking bucking bar and heavy 9x rivet gun. That sounds fine in theory, but watching the heat flow out of your rivets, I might rethink. The clamped up bars seem to work pretty well too.
Thanks for the video!! Keep ‘em coming!
The Willys frame is so light I like to do them by hand. A large rivet gun can make a mess in no time if you are not careful. I use rivet guns on heavy truck frames when using 1/2" or larger rivets.
did something similar on my GPW with the rivets. Used a lot heat sinks and used an air chisel with an adapter to make the GPW crowned rivets by mistake by the way. I drilled my tool out a little bit and ended up with a pointed rivet. By far my favorite part of the frame.
Great video, interesting to see!
I love the fact that your showing the younger folks about the trade. That’s Awesome. I’m up in Springfield Massachusetts someday I’d like to come out and see you. Just keep doing what you do. Awesome
Have you used icing yet? It replaced the crappy old nitro putty from the lacquer days . It’s pretty slick filler thinner the plastic filler and uses a cream hardner . Sands easy and don’t shrink and crack.
You are welcome to come by, just let me know.
Yes I have used it before. I like to get things as straight and perfect as I can and can usually get by with a couple of coats of hi build primer before paint
Great information about riveting.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video.
This makes me want to give it a try! Very cool!
Time and patience will give you good results.
Good job on all your videos....keep the good content coming..
Thanks, I try to cover a wide variety of restoration topics.
Never seen this done before. Very interesting thanks so much
Always good to have you watching
Great Video, Thank you
Matt's rivet is just happy, see it is smiling. Matt everyone that has set rivets has put a smile or 2 on them at some time. Working on aircraft I have pounded thousands of rivets, (aluminum or monel rivets). Never have the rivets been hot , but sometimes the rivets I have used been frozen. Lol. Would an pneumatic rivet gun work for doing the hot rivets? Thanks for all the great videos you give us for our education and entertainment.
I can be done with a large rivet gun and I have tried that in the past. A Willys frame is light and the large gun can do some damage quickly. Also wanted to show how to do it with a very minimal amount of tools. On large frames with 1/2" rivets I use a large rivet gun, on small stuff hand bucking with heat gives great results.
@@metalshaperJeep thanks for the explanation. Thanks again for making video's.
Thanks for showing how to.
Cheers. 🍻
Great video!
Always good to have you watching, thank you.
That was interesting. I installed rivets in my 3b 10 years ago and I tried heating them but they always came out loose so I bought a 7x rivet gun and used a 10lb sledge hammer head as my bucking bar and cold bucked all my rivets, it came out great but I like seeing how you did it by applying heat and the force to the tail side of the rivet, it's opposite of how I was taught to rivet, very cool!
There is more than one way to get a job done, I use the hot method and it works great.
I''ll have to try it that way the next time I have to change them, thanks for the video!
Great information keep the video coming.?
Lots more videos being made.
Nice, interesting
Good to have you watching.
Nice!
Thanks
Grandes restauração gostaria de ver a fabricação de uma lateral do Cj 5 do ano 1955 com todos os detalhes obrigado 👏🏼👏🏼
Brian, once again you've shown how to do a job the right way. I thank you because this is what I am doing on my CJ5. Do you know where I could purchase the 3/8" flat head rivet set tool?
I make all of my rivet sets. Best to have a local machinist make one for you with the head shape you want. I always use 1144 steel when making rivet tools
Hello, Nice work
Is heating up the frame like that not asking for problems later on? Always seen the rivet heated up in the oven.
I have a air powerd rivet gun it Shure Bangs those rivets down quick . 🐤🐤🐤
Rivet guns work, but I only use them on heavy frame sections that can handle it. This video of for the guys that are doing it by hand but still want perfect results.
Brian did you make your rivet sets or can you buy them? Great video
I make all my own rivet sets. The large one is made from S7 steel and the smaller round head rivet sets are made from 1144 stress proof steel.
@@metalshaperJeep thanks much i kinda figured you did i am restoreing a 54 3b may need some body parts wnen i get deeper into it i know i am going to need some oil for front end and tranny keep up the good work
I have 1957 CJ5 that needs work. How do I get hold you? Thanks.
Does that not cause the rest of the steel to crack?
Also having both cj5 and a cj3a I never noticed the difference in the rivets
Round head on the early and flat head on the later. Either way they really secured the rear crossmember with rivets and welds.
Haven’t looked around yet, where do you get your rivets?
There are still a lot of rivet companies out there, Big Flats, Hanson, etc..... They are not hard to find or use.
@@metalshaperJeep I live in Big Flats.
Very interesting to watch.
"don't hit it like a girl" 🤭
That was Matt's very first rivet and I am trying to get him comfortable with a hammer in his hand. I use old school motivation and it still works. Thanks for watching.
@@metalshaperJeep It works well. cheers Brian.
Pretend you’re driving a railroad spike.......
metalshaper nothing wrong with what you said.. go have him pound in a thousand nails in a board until he can swing straight,to get the hang of it.. my first job was nailing off a shear wall by hand until my arm went numb, than I switched hands and nailed with other.. not very productive but good learning experience.. I heard and expression once . Goes something like this.. if filling a wheelbarrow gets you tired, take a break and roll it 50 yards and dump it. One is a break from the other but you sill have to work hard all the time, no excuses no complaining.
Hit that motherf.....like it owes you money
Absolutely !!!!
Come on Matt ,you have to hold the tool with your whole hand not just lay tool on your fingers with a thumb on top. Watch the video!
You have to teach someone or you have to do everything. The key is to teach them right and then move on to the brain work.
Been trying to find someone to learn and take over the business for many years now. Still have not found anyone but maybe someday before I am too old someone will want to learn my trade.
metalshaper most people do not want the responsibility to run a company, your best chance is to either sell everything as a company or keep training others to do the grunt work, while you run the new jobs, paperwork side and keep overseeing. People that want to run there own business either buy one or start from scratch. But I get it the world is falling apart people do not pay, call back and so on.. I am out of it all now, retired no debt and just play around with new challenges to kill time.