Thank you very much for this deep insight. I was unhappy with the clip system of my quilt and now I am gonna change that to a toggle system. I am also about to include an additional hack where I connect all straps of the quilt (with thin cord) in an "U" Form together. Secured on 1 site and adjustable on the other site. So I can additional tension it a mit more and make it more unlikely for drafts to form
Well, I must say that was a very thorough, well thought out and balanced comparison between the two strap systems. I just received my custom UGQ Bandit two days ago. I originally ordered the UltraLite toggles, but switched to the Deluxe clips before it went to production. I switched for the reason you mentioned in the beginning, clips just 'seemed' to be easier to deal with, especially at night if you need to get out and back into your quilt at night. Although I can now see all the very good reasons to choose the toggle system, I think my clips will work fine for me, especially since I did order the tensioners which I really like because I can tension the sides when warranted, or leave loose when not needed.
Thanks a very detailed review of the various attachment systems. Love have do review of your wife's quilt after her using it since there are so many options on the quilts to chose from.
Thanks for this amazing video! I have an older Enlightened Equipment quilt with toggle straps that I can't seem to get to work. I will buy the toggle straps from UCQ!
Instead of clipping the clips of the quilt together, just move the toggles close together, then cross the loops on the quilt to the opposite side and affix them. That way, the quilt is closed together AND still attached to your pad.
Excellent comparison review of quilt to pad attachment systems. My quilt uses the wafer clip. The only option available for the Featherstone Moondance. And why didn't you just simply purchase two UGQ quilts?
The REI quilt was on sale and with a dividend to spend, I got it for a really good deal. Another UGQ quilt for me would have been over twice the cost. My wife has had more struggles getting a good sleep when camping too so I felt it was worth the cost for her and she's loved it since. I would have returned the REI quilt, since they have a 1 year return policy, and gotten a UGQ for myself if I hadn't ended up being well satisfied with the REI quilt throughout last season. And I was.
Wow great review thank you. I have been wondering about this my self, and you answered a lot of questions. On a side note on the Outdoor Vitals quilt, is it sawn through horizontally about halfway up the quilt, there seems to be a seam there and I can't see how it could have a baffle in it?
Yes, the upper vertical baffles are split in two with a seam splitting them horizontally. The baffles are still box stitched so the seams aren't actually sewn all the way through from the outside to the inside. I think the idea with the design is to minimize migration of the down from one end too far to the other end and makes it easier to keep the down more evenly distributed. Unfortunately the one I had just happened to have a lower vertical baffle in the middle that got skipped over in the filling phase before it was sewn shut.
One more thing. Was the UGQ toggle system the same as the REI toggle system. I am thinking I may be able to buy the toggle system from UGQ and modify my Featherstone Moondance Quilt to accept the toggle system as long as the toggle system on the UGQ is not just a shock cord stretchy version of the UGQ wafer clip system if you catch my meaning.
It's pretty much the same but the UQG cord is still a shock cord while the REI cord is more like a really long shoe lace. Relaxing tension on it with the cord lock adjuster still helps to make it easier to connect and disconnect like it does with the REI one. The shock cord could be a good thing if you twist and turn a lot. If you stillbthink you'd prefer a non-stretching cord, you could just buy the plastic hardware and some not stretchy cord from a diy part supplier like Dutchware.
My experiences with the wafer clips on a Cumulus quilt, mirrors the issues that you have mentioned.
Thank you very much for this deep insight. I was unhappy with the clip system of my quilt and now I am gonna change that to a toggle system. I am also about to include an additional hack where I connect all straps of the quilt (with thin cord) in an "U" Form together. Secured on 1 site and adjustable on the other site. So I can additional tension it a mit more and make it more unlikely for drafts to form
Well, I must say that was a very thorough, well thought out and balanced comparison between the two strap systems. I just received my custom UGQ Bandit two days ago. I originally ordered the UltraLite toggles, but switched to the Deluxe clips before it went to production. I switched for the reason you mentioned in the beginning, clips just 'seemed' to be easier to deal with, especially at night if you need to get out and back into your quilt at night. Although I can now see all the very good reasons to choose the toggle system, I think my clips will work fine for me, especially since I did order the tensioners which I really like because I can tension the sides when warranted, or leave loose when not needed.
Thanks a very detailed review of the various attachment systems. Love have do review of your wife's quilt after her using it since there are so many options on the quilts to chose from.
Thank you! Will do!
Thanks for this amazing video! I have an older Enlightened Equipment quilt with toggle straps that I can't seem to get to work. I will buy the toggle straps from UCQ!
Instead of clipping the clips of the quilt together, just move the toggles close together, then cross the loops on the quilt to the opposite side and affix them. That way, the quilt is closed together AND still attached to your pad.
Excellent comparison review of quilt to pad attachment systems. My quilt uses the wafer clip. The only option available for the Featherstone Moondance. And why didn't you just simply purchase two UGQ quilts?
The REI quilt was on sale and with a dividend to spend, I got it for a really good deal. Another UGQ quilt for me would have been over twice the cost. My wife has had more struggles getting a good sleep when camping too so I felt it was worth the cost for her and she's loved it since. I would have returned the REI quilt, since they have a 1 year return policy, and gotten a UGQ for myself if I hadn't ended up being well satisfied with the REI quilt throughout last season. And I was.
Wow great review thank you. I have been wondering about this my self, and you answered a lot of questions.
On a side note on the Outdoor Vitals quilt, is it sawn through horizontally about halfway up the quilt, there seems to be a seam there and I can't see how it could have a baffle in it?
Yes, the upper vertical baffles are split in two with a seam splitting them horizontally. The baffles are still box stitched so the seams aren't actually sewn all the way through from the outside to the inside. I think the idea with the design is to minimize migration of the down from one end too far to the other end and makes it easier to keep the down more evenly distributed. Unfortunately the one I had just happened to have a lower vertical baffle in the middle that got skipped over in the filling phase before it was sewn shut.
One more thing. Was the UGQ toggle system the same as the REI toggle system. I am thinking I may be able to buy the toggle system from UGQ and modify my Featherstone Moondance Quilt to accept the toggle system as long as the toggle system on the UGQ is not just a shock cord stretchy version of the UGQ wafer clip system if you catch my meaning.
It's pretty much the same but the UQG cord is still a shock cord while the REI cord is more like a really long shoe lace. Relaxing tension on it with the cord lock adjuster still helps to make it easier to connect and disconnect like it does with the REI one. The shock cord could be a good thing if you twist and turn a lot. If you stillbthink you'd prefer a non-stretching cord, you could just buy the plastic hardware and some not stretchy cord from a diy part supplier like Dutchware.