Thanx Paul! I would be very happy to meet you some day. I fish on river Drina, here in Serbia. My older friends told me that you already been here a few years ago! Again, thanks for the lessons! Best regards!
Nikola Mircetic Hi Nicola, it’s been a few years since I was on the Drina. Perhaps next year I can make the trip. If it wasn’t for COVID I would have been in the Balkans next month! Looking forward to meeting you 😎👍
To me you are talking about one of the elements of classic casting. You accelerate gradually, nearly exponentially and start putting power into the cast when you are on the last third or fourth of your cast. It makes sense to copy that same exponential acceleration to your double haul, since the distribution of applied power during the cast is still the same. You always accelerate on the last movement of your cast, everything else is just keeping the tension of your line. However, I recently had a master course, not as a student, but as an assistant instructor, and we were discussing some passed down wisdom with other instructors at the end and I would be interested to hear your take on it. It is about the direction the line pulling hand travels when you double haul. One of the oldest instructors here, teaches to move the line hand in a path that lines up with the rod. So you don't pull it along side your body, but straight down. The reasoning being, every action has a reaction, and the reaction to a line being pulled to the side, even slightly, shifts the angle of your main-hand and rod. It might just be on a small level, but it is amplified at the rod tip and distorting the cast slightly. You might not notice it, because experienced casters, have a lot of mechanics working for them and with a little bit of power still cast further, but what if I tell you that even they can get a few meters more out, easily, with that simple technique, even when they think they reached their max. I would love to have you try it properly, and not neglect me as a keyboard warrior, but as someone who is in love with every detail about fly casting, and I am dying to know the opinion of an everything but classic fly casting instructor. Especially all the negatives you see about it. Thank you.
A K Hi AK this would be a really good question to ask on the SL Board because then you’ll get replies from different distance casters and coaches www.sexyloops.co.uk/theboard/index.php For me I would say that the best haul is the one that reaches the highest speed all things considered. And so I build my stroke around that. Consequently for the backcast I haul from chest to straight arm in front and for the forward cast from in front of the shoulder to straight arm behind. On the forward cast I’m careful not to take the hauling hand to the rod hand - ie cross body - because that takes the bend out of the elbow and my max haul comes predominantly from elbow straightening. So while yes, pulling the rod off true is a potential problem, I think that I gain more by using the body for its maximum effect on the haul. There was a discussion of the Board where hauling acceleration was tracked and compared to rod accn - it was very surprising for me because peak haul acceleration was rather close to Min Chord Length which was not what I expect at all. I think some more measurements might be in order. I twist the thumb at the end of the forward cast haul at the very last instant. I guess that wasn’t being measured! Anyway I’m sure you would get some different opinions from some of the other guys. This is also quite a good video I don’t know if you’ve seen it? www.sexyloops.com/flycast/competition-distance-cast/ Cheers, Paul
Too many shrooms…can’t remember what you were going to say, mate! Hahahaha! It would have been nice to then follow up with the demo of the double haul.
Hi Paul, when do you slip line on the back cast? As soon as the haul hand is fully extended or as it returns to the rod once the loop has almost unrolled? Thank you.
Hi Stephen, I do if after the hauling arm has fully extended as as it’s returning. If slack line is forming and the line isn’t being shot it’s either because the loop isn’t tight or fast enough, or because the line is dirty and/or running along the surface of the rod. If the rings are Snakes then I recommend this: www.sexyloops.com/index.php/ps/twisted
@@SexyloopsTV I am fishing for seabass from a pontoonboat, with a graded sinkingline (hover, sink 2, sink 4). And its kind of hard on the shoulder compared to the intermediate lines i am used to. Is it just the nature of the line or is it something i can do different? Wfr Tommy
Tommy M drop me an email Tommy and we’ll go through it. Trying to formulate replies in this little box is challenging!! Paul@sexyloops.com It shouldn’t be hard on the shoulder but there are a lot of variables to consider and eliminate. I have a good friend who fishes for Snapper with a kayak. He is fishing a fast sinking line for those.
Thank you for spending the time to go through that in detail. It is cringy to watch glossy, high quality fishing videos in breathtaking places and the casting techniques employed are, well, lacking. Good vid, Sir. The hair’s great too.
mnije 😀 Well I hadn’t had any hair for 18 years and this is what happens 😂 Yep I know what your saying about some of the movies/TV. It seems odd really that you wouldn’t learn to cast more effectively before doing these things! Mind you even worse than casting is often fish handling 😡
Thanx Paul! I would be very happy to meet you some day. I fish on river Drina, here in Serbia. My older friends told me that you already been here a few years ago! Again, thanks for the lessons! Best regards!
Nikola Mircetic Hi Nicola, it’s been a few years since I was on the Drina. Perhaps next year I can make the trip. If it wasn’t for COVID I would have been in the Balkans next month! Looking forward to meeting you 😎👍
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To me you are talking about one of the elements of classic casting. You accelerate gradually, nearly exponentially and start putting power into the cast when you are on the last third or fourth of your cast. It makes sense to copy that same exponential acceleration to your double haul, since the distribution of applied power during the cast is still the same. You always accelerate on the last movement of your cast, everything else is just keeping the tension of your line. However, I recently had a master course, not as a student, but as an assistant instructor, and we were discussing some passed down wisdom with other instructors at the end and I would be interested to hear your take on it.
It is about the direction the line pulling hand travels when you double haul. One of the oldest instructors here, teaches to move the line hand in a path that lines up with the rod. So you don't pull it along side your body, but straight down. The reasoning being, every action has a reaction, and the reaction to a line being pulled to the side, even slightly, shifts the angle of your main-hand and rod. It might just be on a small level, but it is amplified at the rod tip and distorting the cast slightly. You might not notice it, because experienced casters, have a lot of mechanics working for them and with a little bit of power still cast further, but what if I tell you that even they can get a few meters more out, easily, with that simple technique, even when they think they reached their max. I would love to have you try it properly, and not neglect me as a keyboard warrior, but as someone who is in love with every detail about fly casting, and I am dying to know the opinion of an everything but classic fly casting instructor. Especially all the negatives you see about it. Thank you.
A K Hi AK this would be a really good question to ask on the SL Board because then you’ll get replies from different distance casters and coaches www.sexyloops.co.uk/theboard/index.php For me I would say that the best haul is the one that reaches the highest speed all things considered. And so I build my stroke around that. Consequently for the backcast I haul from chest to straight arm in front and for the forward cast from in front of the shoulder to straight arm behind. On the forward cast I’m careful not to take the hauling hand to the rod hand - ie cross body - because that takes the bend out of the elbow and my max haul comes predominantly from elbow straightening. So while yes, pulling the rod off true is a potential problem, I think that I gain more by using the body for its maximum effect on the haul. There was a discussion of the Board where hauling acceleration was tracked and compared to rod accn - it was very surprising for me because peak haul acceleration was rather close to Min Chord Length which was not what I expect at all. I think some more measurements might be in order. I twist the thumb at the end of the forward cast haul at the very last instant. I guess that wasn’t being measured! Anyway I’m sure you would get some different opinions from some of the other guys. This is also quite a good video I don’t know if you’ve seen it? www.sexyloops.com/flycast/competition-distance-cast/ Cheers, Paul
That is some awesome advice Paul.
Love the shirt! Great video! We’re you in a southern rock band 🎸 back in the 70’s? Leonard Skinner maybe?
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Too many shrooms…can’t remember what you were going to say, mate! Hahahaha! It would have been nice to then follow up with the demo of the double haul.
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This guy has smoked the odd joint in his lifetime
Hi Paul, when do you slip line on the back cast? As soon as the haul hand is fully extended or as it returns to the rod once the loop has almost unrolled? Thank you.
Hi Stephen, I do if after the hauling arm has fully extended as as it’s returning. If slack line is forming and the line isn’t being shot it’s either because the loop isn’t tight or fast enough, or because the line is dirty and/or running along the surface of the rod. If the rings are Snakes then I recommend this: www.sexyloops.com/index.php/ps/twisted
@@SexyloopsTV Great, thank you.
Does any of this change with rod stiffness?
Thats a god looking shirt.
Tommy M nice shirt, shame about the face 😀
@@SexyloopsTV I am fishing for seabass from a pontoonboat, with a graded sinkingline (hover, sink 2, sink 4).
And its kind of hard on the shoulder compared to the intermediate lines i am used to. Is it just the nature of the line or is it something i can do different?
Wfr Tommy
Tommy M drop me an email Tommy and we’ll go through it. Trying to formulate replies in this little box is challenging!! Paul@sexyloops.com It shouldn’t be hard on the shoulder but there are a lot of variables to consider and eliminate. I have a good friend who fishes for Snapper with a kayak. He is fishing a fast sinking line for those.
Thank you for spending the time to go through that in detail. It is cringy to watch glossy, high quality fishing videos in breathtaking places and the casting techniques employed are, well, lacking. Good vid, Sir. The hair’s great too.
mnije 😀 Well I hadn’t had any hair for 18 years and this is what happens 😂 Yep I know what your saying about some of the movies/TV. It seems odd really that you wouldn’t learn to cast more effectively before doing these things! Mind you even worse than casting is often fish handling 😡
Everyone shouting point the rod butt!!! :-)
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