Having The God Damn News pop up with a congratulation on Liam's marriage and immediately hearing somebody open a beer in the background is the most WTYP thing ever and I am here for it.
1:17:33 Alice: "This contains a distinct unmistakable transgender vibe." Devon: "It's probably because everything is a switch out of necessity." Me, a trans woman who identifies as a switch: "Hey!" Congratulations Liam and Rin.
@@AlanCanon2222What are you even doing here? Are you just lurking looking for people to throw grade school insults at? What a sad, meaningless waste of your time.
Fellow trans girl and also a lesbian here, going into aviation maintenance. "I love aeronautics. I love aerodynamics. I love the plane that is so light and so beautiful that, like- *chuckles* it cannot be handled except by the delicate touch of a lesbian." I have never felt more seen, thank you Alice
Two Paths (with two subpaths): Programmer or Aerosoace engineer: Linux Programmer (Good) - Apple Programmer (Evil) or Civil Aerospace (Good (?)) - Lockheed-Martin (Very Evil)
Also some of us are really bad at telling apart male voices, so there's just a singular character sometimes called Ross and sometimes called Liam, and sometimes called guest. Someone so confused about their identity isn't really parasocial relationship material.
I walked into the airport bar after nearly 30 hours of traveling and sat down at a stool near the end. The bartender asked me what I wanted, I asked for a not hazy IPA. She said they had Lagunitas, I said that's perfect. Then she said she'd sell me a shot with the beer for half price, which was their special at the moment, and I immediately blurted out "I love you." This is how I feel when WTYP posts a new episode.
Hbomb didn't want to be that guy, he knows he's too good at being that guy, but he wants peace not war, but they forced him to be that guy, and now the reckoning is happening...
Love listening to my favorite podcast about engineering disasters from a leftist perspective as I perform maintenance on engineering disasters from a leftist perspective. Yay Liam (from the steam tunnels)
I work at a public university doing maintenance. The things I get called to deal with are typically either completely falling apart, or are overflowing with shit. Perhaps an engineering disaster is a bit of an overstatement, but I was really going through it today when the podcast dropped lol(lots of poop)
@@connerplatt8639pretty sure the third law of thermodynamics has it that yes no matter what you are doing it's an engineering disaster, though I'm not an engineer so I am probably wrong
I had sort of fallen down this rabbit hole, and my thing with the Panera "charged lemonade" is threefold: - First of all, although the amount of labeling and verbal warnings from Panera employees about the drink apparently varies by location, it's crazy to me that it was being kept next to the low-caffeine and decaf drinks. Not only should it be labeled, it should be moved closer to the coffee and caffeinated stuff/to where it's more obvious that it's caffeinated. - Also, Panera apparently has an "unlimited sip club," and the charged lemonade should probably be excluded from that "free refill" program. - Why the fuck is it being sold in a size large? Starbucks allegedly won't sell their nitro brew in whatever they call a size large; why would you not just sell it in smaller cups if you're going to put in that much caffeine? Or just... the Panera company could tweak the formula so that instead of a size large containing 5 Redbulls of caffeine, it contains 1-2 or 1-3 Redbulls of caffeine? I can remember a few years ago when everyone was freaking out about how dangerous energy drinks can be, and this shit is MULTIPLE energy drinks PER SINGLE SERVING. Like, even if you see "charged lemonade" and it says "contains caffeine," I feel like most people would assume "it's probably as much caffeine as iced tea; maybe as much as soda." Not "more caffeine than a Red Bull." Because it's presented as fucking lemonade. The only way normal lemonade has caffeine is if you make an Arnold Palmer with it. Like, just market it as an energy drink. Put it in a dispenser that's stylized to look like it holds an energy drink. Have a special cup for it that's stylized/branded to look like an energy drink. Call it "Panera's energy drink, Charged Lemonade." (Maybe Panera should also have to card you when you try to buy it, although I don't know if that would have helped in these scenarios.) I don't need this shit to be banned, but Panera should be sued because they ever thought this was a safe idea to put on a menu (also, corporations should always be sued). It's like selling a single cocktail with a high enough proof that after one serving, your BAC is too high to legally drive. It's negligent and they should have known better. ("It's like that 10-lb burrito" Yeah, I've heard people make similar arguments, but you don't fatally OD on burritos, fast food, or sugar the way you can fatally OD on caffeine. And no, eating too much sugar doesn't cause diabetes or ketoacidosis; as a type 1 diabetic, that's not how that works.)
Also I went to Panera for a meeting with a professor one time, and the bathrooms were locked. You had to get an employee to unlock them for you, it was super weird. I haven't even come across that at conventional fast food places. (Also also, I got a grilled cheese with tomato soup, and the "tomato soup" was just tomato sauce, not bisque or even real "soup" or anything. Shit's also overpriced there IMHO.)
The 10lb burrito argument makes no sense. It's very odd that anyone would even make that argument in the first place. You can just look at it and see that, "Wow, that is a gigantic burrito!" Doesn't matter what's in it, it's not gonna be good for you to eat that quantity of food. You can't just look at the lemonade and see that it's got enough caffeine to kill a small horse...
The 10lb burrito thing is so stupid. This isn't a serving size problem, it's a concentration problem. This would be like if a 1lb burrito had all of the stuff of a 10lb burrito and also 5 energy drinks in it.
Thank you so much for this comment!! I really enjoy the show, but no one’s perspective is unimpeachable, and it’s important to remember that our initial opinions are not always necessarily informed. It was somewhat upsetting to me to hear this segment, because as someone with chronic illnesses and other health conditions, it actually means something to me. In general, the US, and capitalistic systems as a whole, have very few consumer protections. The most vulnerable are always the disabled community. We deserve to live in a world where we are not in danger of dying because of negligent corporations, and the general belligerence that our society has towards accommodations. It’s all well and good to frame it as “well only two people died,” except really, it isn’t. They ordered a lemonade which most consumers would assume had a low amount of caffeine. It’s not like they tried scuba diving, or some other inherently dangerous activity with the full knowledge and consent for what they were getting into. It’s not “spoiling the fun” to want the corporation held responsible and to find it unacceptable that human lives can be lost. We’ve developed this puritan attitude towards health where it’s doesn’t “really count” if there’s an underlying issue. Death by Covid? Well it shouldn’t count because they also had heart problems, or asthma, or cancer. Why is that? Why do we value the vulnerable so little. I’m immunocompromised, does my life matter less than someone who isn’t because I’m at a higher risk for dying of a virus? Why are we so ok with collateral damage, so long as “normal” people aren’t at risk? I’m so sick of hearing that the death and suffering of disabled people isn’t a social concern, simply because inconvenience to the general public is too big of an ask for our lives.
There was an Arizona based chain of restaurants called Paradise Bakery that competed against Panera. It was superior to Panera in almost every metric. Instead of upping their game, Panera bought Paradise and converted them into Paneras. Yes, I’m still bitter.
Screw it, let’s run ‘em for president. Liam may be a little too spicy for the big seat, so Rocz for POTUS, Liam for VP, November for Secretary of State?
Congrats Liam and Rin! I hope everyone who reads this has a good end to their year! Also, my silky smooth brain appreciates a plane episode while recovering from COVID.
I mean sure, if you ignore all the countries they ruined. Also don’t sell the British short, they can be both bad at engineering and incompetent at nation building.
Gives me flashbacks when subway had the bright idea to offer Flatbread pizzas too. The subway where I worked was right next to a pizzeria and people still ordered that awful thing
Two takeaways from the news section: Liam is now YoungManAnderson on social media Drinking enough Red Bulls gives you so many wings that you turn into a biblically accurate angel, therefore rendering you dead
FYI Alice, the entire UK is at the end of a big ocean current AND in the middle of a big air current that constantly brings up warm water/air from the caribbean. The orkneys have an average temperature of 7 degrees celsius in the winter months, Toronto has an average temperature of like -5 celsius in those same months, and it's even worse in other provinces - in Winnipeg where my family's from the average is like -12 C from december through february
Nain, Labrador is about as far north as Glasgow, Scotland. Got some cousins up there and the mean temperature is -22°c in February and 6.5°c in August. The Eastern Atlantic is warm as hell with its equatorial currents.
The black paint on the nose in front of the windows I've always just known as anti-glare paint, they'd paint that area so the pilots wouldn't be blinded by the sun hitting the bare metal or lighter tone paint.
Congratulations Liam and Rin! The best news we've ever gotten from the God Damn News. Fuck... 1:03:13 is such a good moment. You've all got such wonderful hearts, and the way Alice knows how to immediately tell a joke that doesn't undercut Liam's feelings but does make him laugh is just the best. This is a great podcast.
"I have drank 3 C4 energies today....." Oh cool, I cant wait for the next news segment next episode where we have an in memoriam for Liam as his heart has literally exploded.
I love when these drop while I'm at work. Gives me some engineering disasters to listen to while surrounded by engineers. Also, Congrats on the Wedding! Ya, Liam!
I was in Cub Scouts (Canadian Boy Scouts) when I was younger and one year we took a trip to the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum. It was incredible. Just a whole spectrum of planes from every era. The crowning jewel though was one of only two working Lancasters in the world. As a WW2 history kid I was so pumped to not only see it but go inside it and look around. Its a lot smaller than I would have thought and incredibly cramped, even for a child. The topper to the whole thing was that we slept overnight in the museum. I basically slept under the Lancasters engine that night lol
That museum is amazing. I go there every time I'm in Ontario. Unfortunately I've yet to see the Lancaster, every time I've visited it's been away on long distance trips. The other artifact that stood out to me was the Orenda Iroquois jet engine from one of the Avro Arrows, complete with torch holes from when the thing was chopped up.
I was a little confused at first; here in the United States “Cub Scouts” refers to younger Boy Scouts who are in elementary school and participate in Scouting before they’re old enough to be Boy Scouts. I was in both growing up. Being a typical suburban boy it was my only reliable outlet to be able to go camping, hiking, or on any form of watercraft.
Nice, was just about to start a playthrough of a game and needed something to listen to, perfectly timed! Congratulations Liam and Rin! Did try to give to that charity, couldn't due to not being American, did however give to a different Irish charity who will now be *very* confused at a message saying "Yay Liam!" with the donation.
thank you, Well there's your Problem Podcast, for giving me 1950's jetplane dysphoria at 1:16:32 also: congratulations to Lian and Rin! here's to many years of happiness! I'll be hunting my fellow dutch people to send 5000 euros in dollars as a wedding gift and reparations! :D
1:50:35 We actually did have triangular windows (rounded on the edges ofc) The Sud Aviation Caravelle had them, which also used the cockpit section of the Comet
Congrats Liam and Rin!! Also, it took me a while, but I made my way through the publicly available archive of the show. Absolutely loved all of it. Thank you everyone for making it. Looking forward to future episodes--and at some point tossing some money into the patreon so I can listen to the bonus episodes.
The two patreons I er patronise are this and Steph Sterling and I enjoy that choice being regularly vindicated. Congratulations Liam - honoured to have played some small part in your happiness.
The holes at the end of a crack thing was known about for a long time as its based on architectural principles of an arch with all of the forces about the arch acting in equilibrium therefore no one part of the arch wants to collapse as the forces are equal. Its just that principle, its old school equal forces. It sends the loadings around the hole like the loadings of weight around a brick or stone arch. This can also work for building elements too especially steelwork and large format concrete components. Also Japanese carpenters did this to wood where it slots over steel such that it prevents the wood splitting when fixed down onto steel mounts. I actually did a scale model of such a detail for my architecture portfolio and got a first in detailing for it and explaining the principles of the equal forces and why it should be employed in a lot of details.
56:30 - relatedly, a friend made me a crocheted sampler quoting me talking to my newborn daughter, saying "All will be well, Smoltopus* - all will be well and all manner of things will be well...whether we like it or not". Turns out Julian of Norwich can make a kid pipe down and take notice. And also, Congrats Liam and Rin - hope their website can handle intercontinental ballistic ddonations. * yeah, we nicknamed her Smoltopus. She is smol and has octopus-like flailing tendencies.
I'm just imagining the children of LSH taking the parts and building something completely different with them like it's Lego. Picture, if you will, a fleet of Gundam Wings built out of repurposed parts from De Haviland Comet model kits. (Also, for the curious, Revell is currently owned by a vulture capital firm, so yeah, not great.)
I fawn over the A350 nose, and also the "racoon mask" (the black painted area around the cockpit window) because of how good they look, and guess what? Those are design elements shared with the Comet! I'm not closeted, but I have to keep my plane special interest on the down low to blend in.
I was wondering how the caffeine amount compared to coffee, and Liam's beloved Red Bull. But damn, looks like if Red Bull gives you wings, Starbucks Espresso is some Von Braun shit.
Congratulations. Balsa is surprisingly strong cross grain laminated. My hepa filter box is made from sheets of it that way and you could probably throw it at the wall a few times before if failed.
The aircraft nose blacking was originally so the coating did not block radar. However later on it was simply a stylistic choice. On other aircraft, the top of the nose in front of the cockpit may have been painted black to match the stylistic black nose or for an anti-glare coating. The comet has a very short and steeply raked nose, so the need for an anti-glare coating is negligible.
Wife of pilot. Alice is right. If the flight crews won't use it, don't use it. They port for the water and the waste are next to each other. Ground crews constantly hook them up backwards! Do not drink anything on an aircraft that doesn't come to you sealed.
The first case that I've seen with the Charged Lemonade ™ from Panera Bread ™ was a case where a person had one serving and TWO REFILLS. That seems to be important information.
My partner and I listen to this podcast, and we had to pause during the Panera insta-kill lemonade section to imagine some guy in a wool tunic and linen coif, hopped up on energy drink, running in one of those medieval human-sized hamster wheel cranes, lifting *alllll* of the stones to finish the castle tower that day. Congrats to Liam and Rin! All the happy years to you both.
37:37 I am a rowing coach in my spare time and no matter how many times I tell new rowers where exactly to step there's always one who decides they know better and cracks a hull.
Just left work for the Christmas break. Get in my car to drive home to my parents for Christmas. Get notification that there’s a new WTYP. Get in boys we’re travelling in style.
You guys aren't the first to note the windows were secondary (it's been out on the Tube a while..). You missed the other mistake DeHavilland made during thier (too short) testing program(me). The body they used for fatigue testing, was the same one they had used for overpressure testing. The error there being that overstressing the metal also changes its molecular structure (both tests should have been kept completely separate). The Comet was a major disaster and tragedy, while the Princess and Brabazon (yep they named one of the planes after the committee chair) were just HUGE white elephants. The 707 benefited some from the Comet's mistakes, but even more from all the issues with the B-47 bomber (the B-52 got some help too). The nearest American Equivalent is the Lockheed Electra issues of the late 1950s. Interestingly, the Comet and Electra had LONG careers as Patrol/Anti Sub Aircraft (as the Nimrod and Orion respectively)
Congratulations Liam! Game recognizes game on running the bar out of alcohol, though mine was a byob reception! I look forward to a fun and exciting podcast about a very normal plane!
devon really needs to remember to put the call of duty hit sound back in when they add text in post because i almost missed that "switch out of necessity" joke and that would have been a gd shame
apparently you can now upload two different audio tracks on a video, I don't know how much extra work this would be for devon, but if there was a version where we could choose to hear the dings and one where we couldn't that might be cool? Alternatively two uploads twice the views one ding mode the other exported sans ding.
Second this, a lot of the time I have this open on my second screen and only occasionally glance back when there's a slide change or similar and I often catch Devon's comments by chance - Please add back the hitmarker sound or something similar!
Panera charged lemonade predates Grimace Shake. Around this time last year when it was first introduced I saw a post from someone who had a Bad Time drinking the charged lemonade on accident and everyone having a laugh about how crazy highly caffeinated lemonade is. It's an amount that if you don't have a tolerance will cause you to technically overdose. Just it most people it merely ruins your day and you didn't even need medical attention
Congratulation Rin and Liam! I like that on the Comet cutaway drawing they've bothered labelling "air brake" but none of the other control surfaces, which presumably De Havilland decided were less importantly.
מאַזל - טאָוו צו ליאַם און רין פֿאַר זייער חתונה, און עס זאָל געדויערן 1000 יאָר !!! (!!! Congratulations to Liam and Rin on their marriage, and may it last 1000 years)
Felicitaties aan Liam en Rin voor hun huwelijk. Moge Liam Nederlands leren om het huishouden huiselijker te maken!!! (Congratulations to Liam and Rin on their marriage. May Liam learn Dutch to make the household more homey !!!)
i've been following the podcast for awhile, and y'all have been honestly so helpful in getting us through the horrors. HAPPY MARRIAGE LIAM AND CORRIN!!!!!
Mazel tov Liam! Now to sit back and hear why square windows and jet planes do not mix. Alice, your plan to give kids Airfix models would make James May proud.
This is almost the perfect topic and presentation! Congratulations Liam, yay! Straight out of the gate with Cities: Skylines, Armenia, Liam's charity and Comet 'Yoke Peter'. Add an interurban line and it'd be even better than perfect! Thank you for the awesome work, cheering you on from Australia! Love you folks! Oh Alice, the black paint in front of the cockpit is an anti-glare panel, to stop sunlight reflecting off the natural metal into the eyes of the crew, it was often dark green on WW2 aircraft. I don't think there's a name for where the anti-glare paint is extended around the cockpit windows. I've long wanted to write you a script for an episode about the interurban industry and would now love to write one about the British South America Airways losses of the Lancastrian that Alice mentioned and then two Avro Tudors. Do you allow WTYP submissions or would they have a fanfic vibe?!
Congrats Liam and Rin on your wedding. The Malaysia-Singapore Airlines were named that way because they operated out of both places, culturally similar, but administratively different under the British Empire. Eventually the company split as both countries broke away. Also, please do the Westgate bridge disaster of Melbourne, Australia, some day.
In case no one has posted yet: 4:35 The GD News I 9:25 The GD News II 15:00 The GD News III 25:00 Main Story 1:55:20 Safety Third 2:02:44 Commercials Congrats and Yay Liam!
Having The God Damn News pop up with a congratulation on Liam's marriage and immediately hearing somebody open a beer in the background is the most WTYP thing ever and I am here for it.
1:17:33 Alice: "This contains a distinct unmistakable transgender vibe."
Devon: "It's probably because everything is a switch out of necessity."
Me, a trans woman who identifies as a switch: "Hey!"
Congratulations Liam and Rin.
@@AlanCanon2222What are you even doing here? Are you just lurking looking for people to throw grade school insults at? What a sad, meaningless waste of your time.
Fellow trans girl and also a lesbian here, going into aviation maintenance.
"I love aeronautics. I love aerodynamics. I love the plane that is so light and so beautiful that, like- *chuckles* it cannot be handled except by the delicate touch of a lesbian."
I have never felt more seen, thank you Alice
Seriously, I felt so seen by that
Very seen😊
A WOMAN? IN AVIATION MAINTENANCE?! Damn woke moralists!
Two Paths (with two subpaths): Programmer or Aerosoace engineer: Linux Programmer (Good) - Apple Programmer (Evil) or Civil Aerospace (Good (?)) - Lockheed-Martin (Very Evil)
42:15 Rocz, re: Transitioning to the postwar Lvtwaffe: "What hormones do you need for that?"
SStrogen.
Testostereich
Fourteen point eighty-eight milligrams of said SStrogen
Thats awful you guys, take my like and scram
Me when the wehraboos get mad that I call the Bismarck “she”
@@dionysus913 Everyone knows its is filled with gender fluid now
Congrats on the marriage Liam and Rin! Best god damn news I've heard all day!!
We don't have to be parasocial to wish a stranger congratulations. May all good things come to you both.
Also some of us are really bad at telling apart male voices, so there's just a singular character sometimes called Ross and sometimes called Liam, and sometimes called guest. Someone so confused about their identity isn't really parasocial relationship material.
@@fallingphoenix2341 I can barely even tell Alice apart.
@@MySerpentine I decided that Alice is the one who lives in the UK and usually says things I agree with.
Oh really? I'm just going to be twice as parasocial to cancel out your antiparasociality
@@TheBananenbeer I do like your decisive confidence and support of one of my favorite podcasts, maybe I'll form a parasocial relationship with you 😀
Shout out to Devon for tediously recreating the sketches throughout this. I'm sure it was annoying, but we appreciate the hard work.
I walked into the airport bar after nearly 30 hours of traveling and sat down at a stool near the end. The bartender asked me what I wanted, I asked for a not hazy IPA. She said they had Lagunitas, I said that's perfect. Then she said she'd sell me a shot with the beer for half price, which was their special at the moment, and I immediately blurted out "I love you."
This is how I feel when WTYP posts a new episode.
PS congrats to Liam and Rin, but not necessarily in that order.
1:26:38 the fact hbomberguy became the internet top order carnivore overnight is sort of entrataining
Hbomb didn't want to be that guy, he knows he's too good at being that guy, but he wants peace not war, but they forced him to be that guy, and now the reckoning is happening...
Love listening to my favorite podcast about engineering disasters from a leftist perspective as I perform maintenance on engineering disasters from a leftist perspective. Yay Liam (from the steam tunnels)
what do you do for work?
@@RavingDragoon maintaining the discourse production facility (I would presume)
I work at a public university doing maintenance. The things I get called to deal with are typically either completely falling apart, or are overflowing with shit. Perhaps an engineering disaster is a bit of an overstatement, but I was really going through it today when the podcast dropped lol(lots of poop)
@@connerplatt8639pretty sure the third law of thermodynamics has it that yes no matter what you are doing it's an engineering disaster, though I'm not an engineer so I am probably wrong
with slides!
I had sort of fallen down this rabbit hole, and my thing with the Panera "charged lemonade" is threefold:
- First of all, although the amount of labeling and verbal warnings from Panera employees about the drink apparently varies by location, it's crazy to me that it was being kept next to the low-caffeine and decaf drinks. Not only should it be labeled, it should be moved closer to the coffee and caffeinated stuff/to where it's more obvious that it's caffeinated.
- Also, Panera apparently has an "unlimited sip club," and the charged lemonade should probably be excluded from that "free refill" program.
- Why the fuck is it being sold in a size large? Starbucks allegedly won't sell their nitro brew in whatever they call a size large; why would you not just sell it in smaller cups if you're going to put in that much caffeine?
Or just... the Panera company could tweak the formula so that instead of a size large containing 5 Redbulls of caffeine, it contains 1-2 or 1-3 Redbulls of caffeine? I can remember a few years ago when everyone was freaking out about how dangerous energy drinks can be, and this shit is MULTIPLE energy drinks PER SINGLE SERVING.
Like, even if you see "charged lemonade" and it says "contains caffeine," I feel like most people would assume "it's probably as much caffeine as iced tea; maybe as much as soda." Not "more caffeine than a Red Bull."
Because it's presented as fucking lemonade. The only way normal lemonade has caffeine is if you make an Arnold Palmer with it.
Like, just market it as an energy drink. Put it in a dispenser that's stylized to look like it holds an energy drink. Have a special cup for it that's stylized/branded to look like an energy drink. Call it "Panera's energy drink, Charged Lemonade."
(Maybe Panera should also have to card you when you try to buy it, although I don't know if that would have helped in these scenarios.)
I don't need this shit to be banned, but Panera should be sued because they ever thought this was a safe idea to put on a menu (also, corporations should always be sued). It's like selling a single cocktail with a high enough proof that after one serving, your BAC is too high to legally drive. It's negligent and they should have known better.
("It's like that 10-lb burrito" Yeah, I've heard people make similar arguments, but you don't fatally OD on burritos, fast food, or sugar the way you can fatally OD on caffeine. And no, eating too much sugar doesn't cause diabetes or ketoacidosis; as a type 1 diabetic, that's not how that works.)
Also I went to Panera for a meeting with a professor one time, and the bathrooms were locked. You had to get an employee to unlock them for you, it was super weird. I haven't even come across that at conventional fast food places.
(Also also, I got a grilled cheese with tomato soup, and the "tomato soup" was just tomato sauce, not bisque or even real "soup" or anything. Shit's also overpriced there IMHO.)
Also congratulations Liam and Rin
The 10lb burrito argument makes no sense. It's very odd that anyone would even make that argument in the first place. You can just look at it and see that, "Wow, that is a gigantic burrito!" Doesn't matter what's in it, it's not gonna be good for you to eat that quantity of food. You can't just look at the lemonade and see that it's got enough caffeine to kill a small horse...
The 10lb burrito thing is so stupid. This isn't a serving size problem, it's a concentration problem. This would be like if a 1lb burrito had all of the stuff of a 10lb burrito and also 5 energy drinks in it.
Thank you so much for this comment!! I really enjoy the show, but no one’s perspective is unimpeachable, and it’s important to remember that our initial opinions are not always necessarily informed. It was somewhat upsetting to me to hear this segment, because as someone with chronic illnesses and other health conditions, it actually means something to me. In general, the US, and capitalistic systems as a whole, have very few consumer protections. The most vulnerable are always the disabled community. We deserve to live in a world where we are not in danger of dying because of negligent corporations, and the general belligerence that our society has towards accommodations. It’s all well and good to frame it as “well only two people died,” except really, it isn’t. They ordered a lemonade which most consumers would assume had a low amount of caffeine. It’s not like they tried scuba diving, or some other inherently dangerous activity with the full knowledge and consent for what they were getting into. It’s not “spoiling the fun” to want the corporation held responsible and to find it unacceptable that human lives can be lost. We’ve developed this puritan attitude towards health where it’s doesn’t “really count” if there’s an underlying issue. Death by Covid? Well it shouldn’t count because they also had heart problems, or asthma, or cancer. Why is that? Why do we value the vulnerable so little. I’m immunocompromised, does my life matter less than someone who isn’t because I’m at a higher risk for dying of a virus? Why are we so ok with collateral damage, so long as “normal” people aren’t at risk? I’m so sick of hearing that the death and suffering of disabled people isn’t a social concern, simply because inconvenience to the general public is too big of an ask for our lives.
I cannot believe we got through an entire news segment without a celebratory "Kissinger is Dead" segment!
"Ding dong the witch is dead!"
But we DID discover Reinhold Messner is Turkish, so-- net plus I'd say.
@@theprojectproject01 I thought he was Zimbabwean
They might have recorded it a while ago.
I can't believe that they put trucker speed in the lemonade and didn't sell it in gas stations where it belongs.
Timestamps:
00:00 - 4:33 Intro
4:33 - 25:01 The God Damn News
25:01 - 33:12 Episode Starts
33:12 - 37:41 The De Havilland Company
37:41 - 46:33 Jet Engines
46:33 - 1:04:39 De Havilland Comet pt1
1:04:39 - 1:05:50 Ad
1:05:50 - 1:19:24 De Havilland Comet pt2
1:19:24 - 1:34:05 Incidents
1:34:05 - 1:51:11 What Went Wrong
1:51:11 - 1:55:17 Aftermath
1:55:17 - 2:02:44 Safety Third
2:02:44 - 2:04:25 Outro
Also congrats to Liam and Rin!
Thanks!!
Truly, you are doing god's work.
But thanks anyway! 😁
I know you guys and gal always make jokes about doing an episode on the Chernobyl disaster, but I really think that would be a great episode.
Hero of the revolution, right here.
@@OADINCdidn't they do that for their live show with the Antifada podcast?
There was an Arizona based chain of restaurants called Paradise Bakery that competed against Panera. It was superior to Panera in almost every metric. Instead of upping their game, Panera bought Paradise and converted them into Paneras.
Yes, I’m still bitter.
Pour one out for Paradise Bakery
I'm ready for the 'three podcasters on each other's shoulders in a trenchcoat' congressional run.
Screw it, let’s run ‘em for president. Liam may be a little too spicy for the big seat, so Rocz for POTUS, Liam for VP, November for Secretary of State?
Based on Roz’s pronunciation of “over and over and over” and “periscoop,” I think his transformation into a Philadelphian is complete.
1:19:32 The actual topic of the podcast first gets discussed.
This is the podcasting we all know and love.
“And now it’s time for…. The god damn topic”
Never change WTYP 😂
Congrats Liam and Rin!
I hope everyone who reads this has a good end to their year! Also, my silky smooth brain appreciates a plane episode while recovering from COVID.
Hope your recovery goes well, comrade.
Fuck covid (had it twice). Get better soon!!!
Wishing you a speedy recovery. Been there.
Wait, you don't mean "a good end to [our] year" as in "have a nice time" right? ;-) Hope you're feeling better
When Germany feels proud, it ruins other countries. When England feels national pride, it makes a thing that breaks.
I mean sure, if you ignore all the countries they ruined. Also don’t sell the British short, they can be both bad at engineering and incompetent at nation building.
Like every country they “created”?
You underestimate the will of the British. They can do both
Britain is still reigning #1 champ in ruining countries...
We do both. Just ask....every country ever.
Fun fact: On United Dreamliners, the seat gives enough power to run a steamdeck, but not my seatmate's gaming laptop. Plan accordingly.
*Extinguisher catches fire*
"Now why's it gone and done that"
*looks at Made in Britain label*
"Ahhhh"
As a former Subway ™️ sandwich artist ©️ I am obligated to make fun of Alice's order.
Next time ask for it on flat bread, the soul leaving the sandwich artist gives it a lil extra kick.
That's demon time sh*t lol
Gives me flashbacks when subway had the bright idea to offer Flatbread pizzas too. The subway where I worked was right next to a pizzeria and people still ordered that awful thing
"Everything is a switch out of necessity" is an amazing joke.
It reflects the flexibility of human sexuality as an evolutionary result
Alice is the champagne / confetti cloud in all our hearts. Yay Liam and Rin!
Two takeaways from the news section:
Liam is now YoungManAnderson on social media
Drinking enough Red Bulls gives you so many wings that you turn into a biblically accurate angel, therefore rendering you dead
surely you mean YoungManMcAnderson
@@beedubree2550youngmcanderson had a farm
@@johnnyricks4342 E I E I O
Yay Liam (married)! I felt the pain in your heart when you screamed "HOW!?" at Rocz's memory deficiency.
FYI Alice, the entire UK is at the end of a big ocean current AND in the middle of a big air current that constantly brings up warm water/air from the caribbean.
The orkneys have an average temperature of 7 degrees celsius in the winter months, Toronto has an average temperature of like -5 celsius in those same months, and it's even worse in other provinces - in Winnipeg where my family's from the average is like -12 C from december through february
FELLOW MANITOBAN SPOTTED
When the Gulf Current disappears due to climate change, THEN we're fucked
Nain, Labrador is about as far north as Glasgow, Scotland. Got some cousins up there and the mean temperature is -22°c in February and 6.5°c in August.
The Eastern Atlantic is warm as hell with its equatorial currents.
Three c4's?? I'm almost 30 and when working at target I drank one of those and my body turned into tv static. I felt awful.
The black paint on the nose in front of the windows I've always just known as anti-glare paint, they'd paint that area so the pilots wouldn't be blinded by the sun hitting the bare metal or lighter tone paint.
Congratulations Liam and Rin! The best news we've ever gotten from the God Damn News.
Fuck... 1:03:13 is such a good moment. You've all got such wonderful hearts, and the way Alice knows how to immediately tell a joke that doesn't undercut Liam's feelings but does make him laugh is just the best. This is a great podcast.
I fucking love that joke, it's so relatable and simple. A DH comet kit would definitely have cheered me up as a child.
"I have drank 3 C4 energies today....."
Oh cool, I cant wait for the next news segment next episode where we have an in memoriam for Liam as his heart has literally exploded.
I love when these drop while I'm at work. Gives me some engineering disasters to listen to while surrounded by engineers.
Also, Congrats on the Wedding! Ya, Liam!
That sounds like it would be somewhat discouraging 😅
@@dftp I'm one of the many people cursed with hope. 😋
I listen to these at my job as a pm for a commercial gc. It's very meta.
@@JoeyCarb I used to listen at my job at a specialty contractor. It is very meta.
No engineers at my work, but there are certainly disasters - so it still feels right.
Congrats to Liam and Rin (and thanks for the drinks - proud to have helped that bar run out of Brawler)
Ah yes, my favorite Gabriel García Márquez novel "10 million years of hogs"
YAY LIAM AND RIN!
I'm subscribing to the theory that Alice couldn't be in any of the photos because she was the photographer.
"Drink one of these, go to space. Drink more than one of these, uh, die."--The slogan for Panera's New Lemonade.
I was in Cub Scouts (Canadian Boy Scouts) when I was younger and one year we took a trip to the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum. It was incredible. Just a whole spectrum of planes from every era. The crowning jewel though was one of only two working Lancasters in the world. As a WW2 history kid I was so pumped to not only see it but go inside it and look around. Its a lot smaller than I would have thought and incredibly cramped, even for a child. The topper to the whole thing was that we slept overnight in the museum. I basically slept under the Lancasters engine that night lol
That museum is amazing. I go there every time I'm in Ontario. Unfortunately I've yet to see the Lancaster, every time I've visited it's been away on long distance trips. The other artifact that stood out to me was the Orenda Iroquois jet engine from one of the Avro Arrows, complete with torch holes from when the thing was chopped up.
@@bobsmith2637I swear it is the mcdonalds ice cream machine of airplanes.
@@bobsmith2637 didnt realize just how lucky i was! Its an incredible piece of machinery, i really hope you get to see it one day.
I was a little confused at first; here in the United States “Cub Scouts” refers to younger Boy Scouts who are in elementary school and participate in Scouting before they’re old enough to be Boy Scouts.
I was in both growing up. Being a typical suburban boy it was my only reliable outlet to be able to go camping, hiking, or on any form of watercraft.
Nice, was just about to start a playthrough of a game and needed something to listen to, perfectly timed!
Congratulations Liam and Rin!
Did try to give to that charity, couldn't due to not being American, did however give to a different Irish charity who will now be *very* confused at a message saying "Yay Liam!" with the donation.
Yay Liam for everyone!
thank you, Well there's your Problem Podcast, for giving me 1950's jetplane dysphoria at 1:16:32
also: congratulations to Lian and Rin! here's to many years of happiness!
I'll be hunting my fellow dutch people to send 5000 euros in dollars as a wedding gift and reparations! :D
Thank you Devon for putting in the Maddening… the drawy bits. Not the making-me-mad bits.
Herzlichen Glückwunsch Liam und Rin! 🎉
1:50:35 We actually did have triangular windows (rounded on the edges ofc)
The Sud Aviation Caravelle had them, which also used the cockpit section of the Comet
Congrats Liam and Rin!!
Also, it took me a while, but I made my way through the publicly available archive of the show. Absolutely loved all of it. Thank you everyone for making it. Looking forward to future episodes--and at some point tossing some money into the patreon so I can listen to the bonus episodes.
Probably not the best thing to be watching on my flight today but fuck it we ball
The two patreons I er patronise are this and Steph Sterling and I enjoy that choice being regularly vindicated. Congratulations Liam - honoured to have played some small part in your happiness.
W
Classic W
The holes at the end of a crack thing was known about for a long time as its based on architectural principles of an arch with all of the forces about the arch acting in equilibrium therefore no one part of the arch wants to collapse as the forces are equal. Its just that principle, its old school equal forces. It sends the loadings around the hole like the loadings of weight around a brick or stone arch. This can also work for building elements too especially steelwork and large format concrete components. Also Japanese carpenters did this to wood where it slots over steel such that it prevents the wood splitting when fixed down onto steel mounts. I actually did a scale model of such a detail for my architecture portfolio and got a first in detailing for it and explaining the principles of the equal forces and why it should be employed in a lot of details.
On behalf of all of Southeast Asia, which I am qualified to do on the basis of absolutely nothing: Congratulations to Liam and Rin!
Congratulations, Liam and Rin! Also to Rin, now we're fairly sure we can spot where your problems are 😅
The children can be nicknamed "Problem 1", "Problem 2", "Problem 3" and so on.
@@MrJohndoakesand the ultimate child, Shakehandswithdanger
@@adamwhite2364 Don't forget the grandchildren: The, God Damn, Philadelphia, Eagles.
Wait what about [REDACTED ACTIONABLE THREAT]?
@@maybemablemaples2144 Second cousin twice removed.
A lifesize DeHavilland Comet, made from DeHavilland Comet model kits ... you can't get the wood, ya know.
56:30 - relatedly, a friend made me a crocheted sampler quoting me talking to my newborn daughter, saying "All will be well, Smoltopus* - all will be well and all manner of things will be well...whether we like it or not". Turns out Julian of Norwich can make a kid pipe down and take notice. And also, Congrats Liam and Rin - hope their website can handle intercontinental ballistic ddonations.
* yeah, we nicknamed her Smoltopus. She is smol and has octopus-like flailing tendencies.
I'm just imagining the children of LSH taking the parts and building something completely different with them like it's Lego. Picture, if you will, a fleet of Gundam Wings built out of repurposed parts from De Haviland Comet model kits.
(Also, for the curious, Revell is currently owned by a vulture capital firm, so yeah, not great.)
LIAM FOR PA SENATOR!! Also Congrats Liam and Rin!! Many many years of happiness to you!!
As a closeted trans woman I've honestly never felt more seen than when I heard how Alice talks about the De Havilland Comet
I fawn over the A350 nose, and also the "racoon mask" (the black painted area around the cockpit window) because of how good they look, and guess what? Those are design elements shared with the Comet!
I'm not closeted, but I have to keep my plane special interest on the down low to blend in.
Closeted plane lover sneaking into the train podcast comments!
For reference on caffeine/oz:
Lemonade that Kills You Instantly - 13mg/oz (390mg in a 30oz)
Starbucks Cold Brew - 12.8mg/oz (205mg/16oz)
Starbucks Blonde Roast - 22.5mg/oz (360mg/16oz)
Red Bull - 9.25mg/oz (111mg/12oz)
Starbucks Espresso - 100mg/oz (150mg/oz)
Starbucks didn't do unlimited free refills at self serve nor give away unlimited drinks for a month as promotion.
Biohazard Coffee - 77mg/oz (928mg in a 12oz)
amount of caffeine people associate with lemonade : 0
I was wondering how the caffeine amount compared to coffee, and Liam's beloved Red Bull. But damn, looks like if Red Bull gives you wings, Starbucks Espresso is some Von Braun shit.
@merrydaye4763 ding ding. And we know everything has caffeine in it.
3:54 Back then the UK didn't use the current NATO phonetic alphabet so the aircraft was known as GEORGE ABLE LOVE YOKE PETER. Also Congrats Liam.
With the wings sticking out that's less Plane Jail and more of a Plane Gibbet. It's to serve as a warning to the other planes.
Congratulations.
Balsa is surprisingly strong cross grain laminated. My hepa filter box is made from sheets of it that way and you could probably throw it at the wall a few times before if failed.
The aircraft nose blacking was originally so the coating did not block radar. However later on it was simply a stylistic choice. On other aircraft, the top of the nose in front of the cockpit may have been painted black to match the stylistic black nose or for an anti-glare coating. The comet has a very short and steeply raked nose, so the need for an anti-glare coating is negligible.
Also with part of the changes to the wing, you can see the addition of a finlike structure to the wing - that is an anti-stall fence.
Wife of pilot. Alice is right. If the flight crews won't use it, don't use it. They port for the water and the waste are next to each other. Ground crews constantly hook them up backwards! Do not drink anything on an aircraft that doesn't come to you sealed.
congrats to Liam and Rin, that picture rules very much
My experience as a trans woman has made it necessary to resist creep for hundreds of thousands of hours
God, this is such a good joke
Oh Liam that’s so wonderful! A long and happy marriage to you!
Strawberry c4 nectar of the gods. You can feel your molecules vibrating
Congrats Liam and Rin 💚
The first case that I've seen with the Charged Lemonade ™ from Panera Bread ™ was a case where a person had one serving and TWO REFILLS. That seems to be important information.
My partner and I listen to this podcast, and we had to pause during the Panera insta-kill lemonade section to imagine some guy in a wool tunic and linen coif, hopped up on energy drink, running in one of those medieval human-sized hamster wheel cranes, lifting *alllll* of the stones to finish the castle tower that day.
Congrats to Liam and Rin! All the happy years to you both.
37:37 I am a rowing coach in my spare time and no matter how many times I tell new rowers where exactly to step there's always one who decides they know better and cracks a hull.
Speaking of triangular windows, the French Sud Caravelle (also a very pretty plane) had them. As far as I can tell, it was mostly for French reasons.
I love how the French design airplanes and cars. No one else does it like them
Just left work for the Christmas break. Get in my car to drive home to my parents for Christmas. Get notification that there’s a new WTYP.
Get in boys we’re travelling in style.
Safe travels stranger!
Excited for this one, this example was how my material science professors introduced the topic of stress concentration
You guys aren't the first to note the windows were secondary (it's been out on the Tube a while..). You missed the other mistake DeHavilland made during thier (too short) testing program(me). The body they used for fatigue testing, was the same one they had used for overpressure testing. The error there being that overstressing the metal also changes its molecular structure (both tests should have been kept completely separate).
The Comet was a major disaster and tragedy, while the Princess and Brabazon (yep they named one of the planes after the committee chair) were just HUGE white elephants.
The 707 benefited some from the Comet's mistakes, but even more from all the issues with the B-47 bomber (the B-52 got some help too). The nearest American Equivalent is the Lockheed Electra issues of the late 1950s. Interestingly, the Comet and Electra had LONG careers as Patrol/Anti Sub Aircraft (as the Nimrod and Orion respectively)
Imagine spending your military career flying the plane that's known as the Dipshit because nobody caught Bugs Bunny's sarcasm once upon a time
Congratulations Liam! Game recognizes game on running the bar out of alcohol, though mine was a byob reception! I look forward to a fun and exciting podcast about a very normal plane!
devon really needs to remember to put the call of duty hit sound back in when they add text in post because i almost missed that "switch out of necessity" joke and that would have been a gd shame
seconded
apparently you can now upload two different audio tracks on a video, I don't know how much extra work this would be for devon, but if there was a version where we could choose to hear the dings and one where we couldn't that might be cool?
Alternatively two uploads twice the views one ding mode the other exported sans ding.
Second this, a lot of the time I have this open on my second screen and only occasionally glance back when there's a slide change or similar and I often catch Devon's comments by chance - Please add back the hitmarker sound or something similar!
@1:17:30 it’s because of Wendy Carlos, early synths look like this
"She bet half her shit on that she will love me forever", what a way of putting "we got married"
Heeeeeeyyyyy congrats Liam! Cool to hear you're in homeless services, like i was for years. Hope your company sees lots of yay Liam's!
Based on that first image I'm sure everything's going to be fine
Love that panera bread looked at the grimace shake meme and was like “hmmmm thats good advertising we should do that but for real”
Panera charged lemonade predates Grimace Shake. Around this time last year when it was first introduced I saw a post from someone who had a Bad Time drinking the charged lemonade on accident and everyone having a laugh about how crazy highly caffeinated lemonade is. It's an amount that if you don't have a tolerance will cause you to technically overdose. Just it most people it merely ruins your day and you didn't even need medical attention
"Much like wu-tang clan, Well There's Your Problem is for the children."
🔥🔥🔥BARS🔥🔥🔥
Whenever I hear of a wedding in PA, I assume it’s like the first hour of Deer Hunter
This is a highly underrated comment if I've ever seen one
1:17:38 I laughed UPROARIOUSLY at that one. Great job Devon, you're an invaluable addition to the podcast
Congratulations and Yay Liam! Please don't drink the lemonade that kills you instantly.
Congratulation Rin and Liam!
I like that on the Comet cutaway drawing they've bothered labelling "air brake" but none of the other control surfaces, which presumably De Havilland decided were less importantly.
Lets all hope Hbomberguy does not look into this. I like this podcast.
Congrats on the marriage you two!
Fun fact: MacAnderson (or McAnderson) literally means “Son of Andrew’s Son”
Liam ibn FitzMcAndersonich
Andy's Boys
@@svenofthejungle hell yeah, ibn! ☝
When the pilot you’re interviewing in 1953, to fly the comet, says he has prior experience flying jet aircraft
“While serving in the the US Army Air Forces, right?
…right?”
Congratulations to Liam and Rin!
Mount Arawat was first climbed by noted Tanzanian alpinist Reinhold Meisner. Also yay Liam. congrats on getting married!
Yay Liam and Rin!!!🥳 That wedding photo alone really is worth every Patreon dollar
מאַזל - טאָוו צו ליאַם און רין פֿאַר זייער חתונה, און עס זאָל געדויערן 1000 יאָר !!!
(!!! Congratulations to Liam and Rin on their marriage, and may it last 1000 years)
Felicitaties aan Liam en Rin voor hun huwelijk. Moge Liam Nederlands leren om het huishouden huiselijker te maken!!!
(Congratulations to Liam and Rin on their marriage. May Liam learn Dutch to make the household more homey !!!)
i've been following the podcast for awhile, and y'all have been honestly so helpful in getting us through the horrors. HAPPY MARRIAGE LIAM AND CORRIN!!!!!
Congratulations Liam and Rim!!!
"Had their asses clapped by St Peter" is not a euphemism I had ever expected to hear.
Mazel tov Liam! Now to sit back and hear why square windows and jet planes do not mix.
Alice, your plan to give kids Airfix models would make James May proud.
25:30 I love that we, as an internet culture, still refer to lines drawn on the screen as John Maddens
The Comet nose was used for the very, very pretty Caravelle. The noses of the 787 and A350 have shades of Comet and Caravelle.
Find someone who looks at you the way Roz looks at the champagne in Liam & Rin's wedding photo.
This is almost the perfect topic and presentation! Congratulations Liam, yay! Straight out of the gate with Cities: Skylines, Armenia, Liam's charity and Comet 'Yoke Peter'. Add an interurban line and it'd be even better than perfect! Thank you for the awesome work, cheering you on from Australia! Love you folks! Oh Alice, the black paint in front of the cockpit is an anti-glare panel, to stop sunlight reflecting off the natural metal into the eyes of the crew, it was often dark green on WW2 aircraft. I don't think there's a name for where the anti-glare paint is extended around the cockpit windows.
I've long wanted to write you a script for an episode about the interurban industry and would now love to write one about the British South America Airways losses of the Lancastrian that Alice mentioned and then two Avro Tudors. Do you allow WTYP submissions or would they have a fanfic vibe?!
Congrats Liam and Rin on your wedding.
The Malaysia-Singapore Airlines were named that way because they operated out of both places, culturally similar, but administratively different under the British Empire. Eventually the company split as both countries broke away.
Also, please do the Westgate bridge disaster of Melbourne, Australia, some day.
In case no one has posted yet:
4:35 The GD News I
9:25 The GD News II
15:00 The GD News III
25:00 Main Story
1:55:20 Safety Third
2:02:44 Commercials
Congrats and Yay Liam!