The truth hurts to hear sometimes. But in this world, at this time, the truth is very often obscure and kept away from us. Francis gets right to the point here and tells us what we need to know, not what we may want to hear.
+tfortommyb the reality is there is gonna come a day when ALL will stand before the very God that many chose not to Believe in, but it will be too late to change their circumstances because now the will have to answer for their life and if it's not founded on Jesus Christ it will only imply that your name is not written in the Book of Life and you'll be cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone which was (originally created for the Devil and his angels)...people think God is a joke but I hope they wake up soon and come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved from the Wrath to Come...His Justice is on a completely different level than ours
+Nikko Daniels What 'reality' is this? There is no evidence of this claim whatsoever... Have you ever taken a step back and thought maybe, just maybe that all religions are bullshit meant for controlling simple minded folk and raking in a ton of untaxed dollars for personal greed? Seriously stop and think about it... Think about how many wars and atrocities have been carried out in the name of religion INCLUDING christianity...
The truth is you can do nothing without Jesus and his teachings, you must apply them, visit a voice in the dessert youtube. John:15: “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. 9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
I really like this because he backs up his facts with the Word. In my opinion, if you want to tell me "truths" about the Lord, then you better have bible verses to back you up
Ramon Vallejo Scripture is not evidence of anything. I don't blindly believe in anything without evidence, just because it's written down. Even if it's thousands of years old. I also wouldn't believe you, if you told me that the Loch Ness Monster is real.
Ramon Vallejo You don't know that scripture is truth, you believe that scripture is truth. Faith is faith. It doesn't matter if you have faith that God exists, or that Peter Pan exist. One is not more true than the other, according to their equal complete lack of evidence. There's only one definition of faith. Faith means you believe in something without evidence. If you disagree with this, you don't know what faith means. You don't have the slightest evidence for any of the things you believe, where I have evidence for everything I know. I'm not just looking for any answer, I'm looking for the correct answer, or the closest to it. You should be more skeptic and critical. Good luck.
Because the truth is not and never will be popular. People want and have always wanted their egos stroked. Only those who are willing to admit their weakness who will go through the eye of the needle. By grace.
Care to explain what you think isn't true by what he said? Scripture fully backs up what he's saying here, and he just preaches it straight up, as it should be preached.
Yea I know how that feels but the truth of the Holy Spirit reminded me of Isaiah59:1 Surley the arm of the Lord is not to short to save nor his ear to dull to hear. May the good Lord bless your soul.
Melissa Kecken I believe God allows us to be "tore up" inside sometimes. If we don't.. we wouldn't begin to lay aside the "things and stuff" that SEEM so important..to pray and intercede for our families and friends and enemy's.. and get into the Word to find the answers. The "things" of the world keep us so occupied..but we MUST take back that time..and spend it in His presence... calling back.. and crying out for those who need Him..and those who are lost.
hotdoc007 Interesting. My 2 favorite words are Love and Truth. I always say to people that you must strive for these 2 components of life, and you can't have one without the other. They can't be separated. If I could start a new church group we would be called, "Love and Truth Gospel."
Amen I know I suck Pray that I may truthfully repent Apart from Jesus I can do nothing Lord have mercy on my thoughts Thank you for speaking through Francis 😥
You don't suck. You are probably about average. Anything "wrong" with humans is God's fault for 1. Designing us this way, 2. Putting a forbidden tree right next to two brand new humans that didnt know right from wrong 3. Designing the "perfect" creation to break/"fall" the second a human doesn't perfectly obey God 4. Making sin hereditary. There is nothing to repent or feel bad about for being born, and it's sickening that you are being told that you have to apologize for existing.
Mike Hammer Many teachers teach that. Rev 20:10 Then the devil who fooled them will be thrown into the lake of fire and burning sulfur. He will be there with the beast and the false prophet, and they will be in pain day and night forever and ever. Whats your view on this verse?
+Michael NewZealand People often like to leave out scripture to justify being naughty. Kind of like people twist the bible to make it say not to judge. Very common these days which is sad. People also mix up hell the jail and the lake of fire the prison that is eternal. They don't like the fact that God does punish. They forgot why Jesus Christ saved them apparently. God loved them so much he gave the life of his only begotten Son as payment for mankind so they wouldn't be separated from God. Eternal separation from God is torment and which results in the Lake of Fire. People love themselves a hippie version of the Bible but not the actual Bible.
+Marquis Reid .........There is NO eternal hell…’aionios’ is the Greek word mistranslated as ‘eternal’ in many Bible translations…'aionios' is the Greek word for the Old Testament term, 'olam' and 'olam' definitely does not mean 'eternal'...read the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament which was quoted by the New Testament writers many times so the Septuagint is authoritative.....'aionios' appears hundreds of times in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament, and does NOT mean 'eternal' in the Septuagint Greek Old Testament...therefore the Bible does not teach 'eternal punishment'.
God Through Jesus Ultimately Redeems All Humanity That is what I stated their is no eternal hell. However leaving out the Lake of Fire is just removing from the Bible. The Lake of Fire which Hell is thrown into.
God doesn't punish? Why wouldn't He? Why SHOULDN'T He? He creates a world of perfection, of joy, peace, love, provision, intimacy with Him and we burn it to the ground! He made everything, so He deserves to write the rules for everything. And whoever writes the rules has the right to deal however they want with anyone who breaks them. Especially when the rules are broken wilfully and repeatedly.
Slaves are still preaching their masters gospel to keep people ignorant. Preaching heresay about mythological characters. People are smarter now and it's n
If he claims to be omnipotent omnipresent and omnibenevolent. How can he just punish and smite his perfect creation in your words. If you say because humans are the cause of all even the you have to consider two possibilities that fall solely on the responsibilities of God. 1) he created man as perfect yet with a imperfect will that he knowing full well would result in some of them going to hell. 2) he some how turned of the benevolence aspect of his being and created imperfect things like the a devil serpent knowing Satan would trick and destroy his most perfect creation in his eyes. Either one is a tough pill to swallow. But you seem to be blindly following the undeterminable dispositions of your God, so what say you if he decided to change his mind
*I find it hard to believe that someone would not like Francis. This guy is so solid but truthful and not a pushover, he’s so friendly and helpful and also light hearted. Heard him preach in person before, and I love how he embodies Christ. Great message, very true*
OMG... Just woke up this morning praying, spoke to God and asked him, Lord why do my brothers and sister see the reality of sin. Thank you for being a instrument in for the Lord. We need our eyes to be open before it’s to late. May the Blessings of the Holy Spirit be upon you always.
I’m just tryin to help because I used to struggle with using his name in vein I don’t do it anymore that sin is gone I have never done it ever again and probably never will
I love the truth that pastor Chan revealse from God's word. This is essential to allowing individuals from everywhere to know. And even as scary, is the fact that individuals walk around, daily, not realizing that our lives can be taken from us at any moment (i.e. sickness, or Christ's return!.
Pastor Chan, I RARELY leave comments on UA-cam but my brother I shall continually intercede for you that THIS TRUTH of the Spirit of Christ shall NEVER depart from your life, no matter what it costs you. Maranatha, brother and I love you.
AMEN & AMEN! How ARROGANT the heart is to believe that it is 'good enough' to enter heaven APART from REPENTANCE & RECEIVING THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF THE LAMB SHED TO WASH AWAY OUR FILTHY STAIN! THANK YOU LORD JESUS FOR TAKING MY PLACE!!!!!!!
Reading 90% of the comments I think yall are missing the message. It is not what Chan believes, it is what God says. By nature we have Sin in us, there is no way that we can be good on our own. "We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment(women menstrual bloody rags). We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away." Isaiah 64. The message is that we all need Jesus, He is the only way to God, not our good works or deeds. Read God's word and find agreement with The Creator not the created. Want to see God's Love? Read Hosea, He loves, He is faithful, He wants us! Even tho we don't. Joy comes in rejoicing in the GOODNESS of God! not ours. This message is from a brother to another, make much of Him :D
Pastor. Chan, we live in very confusing times. The end is at hand. Be watchful and pray and above all; repent. May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you and every soul that listens to this humble message. In Jesus name. Amen. From Panama.
Child of the Truth Wow God bless you and much love and grace to you. Jesus Christ loves us all dearly and completely. Abundant blessings in Jesus name as you continue in your walk with Him. Much love to you child of God.
" I do not agree that all Christians will find at least something to disagree with one another." Christians argue CONSTANTLY about non-essential doctrines, for example: Pre-Trib , Post-Trib or Mid-Trib rapture ... Eternal security ... Keeping the Sabbath ... Baptism being essential for salvation ... I could go on and on. I'm shocked that you've never noticed this
How exactly do we correct false doctrines without argument? A world without argument is a world that is apathetic. A world that compromises morality without contention. We are literally told to go and preach repentance unto all nations. A literal impossibility without argument. Christ is not apathetic or passive. He is active in command.
This man is speaking the truth, I really like him, he goes right to the point and he is not afraid of telling the truth of the Bible and God. Its funny cause I talked about sin with a friend yesterday and what we have to know is that we really cant consider ourselves good people cause we all fall short of Gods glory, we are Gods children, but that doesn't necessarily mean we are good people. Therefore it is so important we try to be and follow jesus in his footsteps...
WHAT WOULD GOD PUNISH US FOR??? SIN IF JESUS TOOK EVERYONE'S SINS 2000 YEARS AGO, AND GOD DOES NOT REMEMBER YOUR SINS NO MORE. HE SEES US RIGHTEOUS THROUGH CHRIST WHICH MEANS HE SEES US RIGHTEOUS. THE ONLY PUNISHABLE SIN IS UNBELIEF IN JESUS"
2019, still relevant and still true, even more so. Saints we need to stand strong in these days, and turn away from false doctrines and this new age care bear Christianity that has become so popular. It is based on man's works, goodness, and politics rather than the organic building up by the Holy Spirit. Be watchful and hold fast to scripture ! Praise the Lord!
Great preach, As a lutheran i would agree on this 100percent, but not because im a lutheran its because im a christian, and this is biblical. God is loving but therefor he needs to punish evil.
Marius Sørenes Christian, Luther, Protestant, Catholic. Are all dumb names to separate God's people. We all believe the same thing, we should call ourselves the products of God.
Marius Sørenes lutherans are not christian. Luther was an Apostate because he trusted a false gospel of works for salvation. Yes, he came to realize the truth after self-condemning himself but he still believed in works such as baptismal regeneration. Water baptism is administered after you have already been regenerated to come to repentance and faith. The water was to show you repented(changed your mind to no longer live for dead works) and it was because of and not for the remission of sins because justification is only due to faith and not water baptizing. spiritual regeneration is the Work of The Spirit and not us.
Kiwi Munoz not all denominations believe the same thing and why there is separation. Mainstream denominations and those whom get in bed with them are apostate, the blind leading the blind. they have grossly turned away from the Gospel and the Kingdom culture and lifestyle. Most churches outwardly idol worship the fake images of jesus,many believe in works salvation, many only hold to two ordinances when their are 4 not just the supper and baptism. Many speak against modesty or tolerate immodesty causing lust to increase, many dont discipline their local and abroad members, most are not non-violent in lifestyle. Most are duped in trying to form a theocracy instead of waiting for Jesus to establish the true one upon His return. Most believe this country was founded by christians when instead it was deists whom formed and influenced the Constitution. Most approve of so called Christian's to judge to death and discipline by enforcing moral law through secular law and government on practiced sinners and saints. Many tolerate and approve homosexuality, women teachers and leaders of men, women apostles and deacons to the pastor etc.etc the list goes on and on of how greatly those professing Christ have fallen away and will continue to fall away until the great apostasy is fulfilled.
Deb Harris That’s not what Lutherans believe at all. We believe that we are born into sin. I don’t know where you get that idea, but it is completely false.
As I struggle with faith, expressing it and seeing people reject Christ these videos give me peace. Francis Chan knows how to connect in many ways. Thank you God for Francis and his ministry which focuses completely on Jesus.
If you are in Christ you are a new creation, completely reconciled unto God. We have a message of reconciliation & if you have been born again you have been re-Fathered & now have become righteous. The mystery has been revealed - Christ in us the hope of Glory! Rise-up church & share this amazing news in love & power!
Yes. This message is right on. The world today really needs to hear THIS, especially this younger generation! Thanks brother Francis for speaking truth in love!
"Not every one that says to me, 'Master Master!', shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven." Jesus of Nazareth
love this man..he challenges me many time not to become too comfortable where I am right now but go deeper and not be lukewarm.. this man is on fire and is like a twoedged sword..
I think the He is right - however I get the feeling that the church uses these powerful truths to control people in the Church. you really have to have the most humble and patient people teaching this stuff - the evangelical churches are famous for wanting to control your life and putting you on a non-stop guilt trip/
You have a very valid point and one that is so prevalent in many of our Christian churches. Thank God, it isn't like that for all the churches, just some. I don't think you meant to say that we should not talk about these points.
whiteliketar no the church system you are pointing to was designed to control people period. The Bible is a device for control. The biggest lie is calling it the voice of the Creator.
Dr. Rhymes Correction , everyone who Christ’s themselves do so due to fear. Christ = restrain Restrain - kept under control; prevented from freedom of movement or action . Which is why they show the heart bound with thorns, an awful symbol for controlling, draining and killing of ones inner child. You are correct that many sacrifice their heart to molech to be free from true love.
God is building up and strengthening His remnant, His bride in these last days. We, more than ever must put Hebrews 3:12-13 into our lives for one another and examine ourselves daily , lest Satan should get an advantage over us, for we are not ignorant of his schemes and deception. We must pray and humble ourselves to receive the truth about God's holiness and our poverty, that we need His filling every moment. Jesus is not glorified in a proud heart that takes bits and pieces of scripture they like and neglect to probe their hearts with the whole truth. We must be honest and allow God to sift us that the true wheat worthy will remain. Our redemption draweth nigh, Jesus is Lord. All glory and praise to God!
Pastor Francis... Thank You for doing these videos... We have way too many Joel Osteen Type of pastors now in the world who don't teach The Gospel and instead teach a horizontal, Dr. Phil, Feel Good, Prosperity Gospel Message and are not warning unsaved people about the truth found in God's word, and warning them of hell. :)
You're so judgemental to put Joel Osteen's name out there. You cannot read his heart. & If you don't like how certain people preach, you get up there and spread the word. Just because someone has a different input or perspective of scripture doesn't give you the authority to be so haughty and throw stones of judgement at them.
@@stacirivera799 Joel Osteen doesn't preach correctly. I am not saying he's bad or anything, no, but I am saying that he doesn't convict his audience with guilt because of their sin. I have noticee thatpreachers like Paul Washer always accuse the audience of their sin. I have to thank preachers like Washer, because without them, I would have never felt guilty of my sins neither would I have been able to turn away from sin.
tell it Frances..the truth is the truth..Our Lord tells the truth..thank you for having the boldness to tell the truth..bless you always my brother in Christ
That's because there is no evidence to support the claim that we are "sick" with something called sin. Just a lot of baseless claims from an ancient book.
@@marlinbundo2409 Dylan hello. What is sin? Missing the mark, wrong things we do based on what Creator God says is acceptable and unacceptable. Eg stealing something small or big makes us a theif.. This is sin. It's a code that EACH of us will be held to and answerable for. Sin is a sickness, a virus that all of us is infected with.
@@pasainchina97 So God designed a world where we could become 'infected' from birth, then expects us to meet a standard he already knows is impossible for us the way he designed us, then gets to torture us for eternity when we fail an impossible task? And this sounds morally perfect to you? Then, the only way an omnipotent god could think of to fix the situation is to make a human sacrifice out of himself, but it only works if you apologize for being born and believe some crazy impossible stuff happened 2,000 years ago. Strangely enough, i don't buy it.
@@marlinbundo2409 In the garden Adam & Eve didn't buy it either. They believed a lie that they could be like God. They did it there own way and seriously messed up. The Bible says we have all sinned!true or false? The Bible says that we have all gone our own way. True or false? The Bible says that people love darkness more than light.. True or false?
You are correct it is impossible for us that's why Jesus came to earth.. John 3:16..Romans 3:23 and Romans 10:9 ..Jesus is the only hope for this world
Well, any Christian who has been a believer for more than a few years would realize that using grace as a license to sin IS itself sin. I mean, it does make sense. Many pastors preach this over and over... The lies that Francis pointed out were blatant lies that MANY born-again Christians believe, unfortunately.
Jacob Steed What I said isn't just about teaching grace as a license for sin. Virtually no eternal security proponent will admit that he, or she proposes eternal security to allow for sin.
The way I see it, to do sinful actions brings about bad consequences (psychologically, emotinally, physically, etc.), repenting is a way to escape those consequences (which is possible because of grace) and allow a person to change their ways. Of course, I'd say repentance is personal and needs to be done over prayer.
I'm glad this teaching came up today. My pastor passed away two years ago this month and he regularly taught this that we are not good saved by the righteousness of Christ.
I'll never forget when I was 16 and the boy I had a huge crush on, shared Christ with me. All my friends were rebelling against their parents. They were sleeping around. I was walking a straight line. I was a "good person"...or so I thought. When he told me I was going to hell without Jesus Christ, I. Was. SHOCKED. Me?! Going to hell?! But I was the good one! Well, a few months and many questions later, I gave my life to Christ. I just celebrated my 24th spiritual birthday two weeks ago.
Jesus didn't come to earth to condemn the world but to save it!!! Everything Changed when Christ died on that cross and then rose again on the 3rd day! God made a way for us to be reconciled to Him... It has nothing to do with good or bad or us. It has everything to do with God and what he did for us because He truly loves us. God Judges, but Judgement is NOT punishment. A loving God teaches us, he corrects us...He puts us through a refining fire.
Oh Sheree - Oh Sheree! How we rapture for that refining fire! (btw, can you tell me what the purpose would be of eternity? - only I have not long for this world and it sounds like a pretty hellish idea to me! Imagine spending eternity as a groveling goody; imagine how worn your imaginary knees would be!) Your beliefs are abject nonsense. Grow up.
The two most deceitful from the Devil is: "Man choose God and not v.s" and "God will punish billions of his own creation for eternally in som hellhole"
"For this is GOOD and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; WHO WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (I Tim. 2:4). This IS the "desire and good pleasure" of God Almighty, and "My counsel shall stand, and I WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE" (Isa. 46:10) despite what all the clergymen in the world teach to the contrary. They hate, and loathe, and despise these plain and simple declarations of God. But their time is very short. This is just a part of the ‘GOOD NEWS GOSPEL’ that precious few on earth have ever heard or experienced.
earl clay "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" 1 Tim 2:3 Here we see that God is willing to save all mankind. But is he able to do that? Nothing is impossible to God, for he is almighty. Do we have a word which says that he is gonna do that? ...him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will Ep" 1:11 Okej, we can read from the bible that God is willing, and he is able, and he worketh ALL things after of hes own will. But you dont believe that do you? Iam sure you believe he is willing, and he is able, BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HE WILL DO IT!! You dont have a clue what you talking about! Poor miserable soul, may God have mercy on you
earl clay ofcourse, iam taking it out of the context" and you are the one who decides what is in the right context? You say salvation is a choise, you choose God? But the word says "You have NOT choose me, but I have choosen you" Let me think....who should I believe? I think i believe the word. You say: "he wills everyone saved but he isnt gonan save everyone in fact its quite clear from scripture most will not be" just what I asumed, he wants to save everyone, he can save everyone, and he will carry out his will, according to the word. BUT HE WILL NOT DO THAT ???? Do you know the word contradiction? And did you know that the script does not have any contradictions? But it's nothing that bothers you, BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT !?
earl clay I have no scripture for my cause? Do you have readings problem? I come with many scriptures that says that he is willing and able, to save and "THY WILL BE DONE" But you think Jesus prayed i vain. You dont care if i come whit hundreds of scriptures, "IAM ALLWAYS IN THE WRONG CONTEST!"
Our righteousness are as filthy rags..Isaiah 64:6. On the contrary, Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. Consider Rom4:3 also. Based on scriptures it seems no act can be too good to warrant salvation on the part of humans. Believing in the finished work at the cross is what pleases God not our own works. Ephesians2: 8-9 ...saved by grace through faith...Not of works, lest any man should boast. There you go our works are nothing!!!
Amen brother! Truth hurts but if we don't tell anyone, who will?? That's what we are here for! To preach the good news and to tell the world of what is to come. 🙌🏻
So many People here are so eager to put this message down or to belittle the Faith. Nobody is talking about "worthlessness". No one said anything about people being worthless. Are you all deef? Yes I said Deef! (deaf) lol. The passage is very clear! The Bible also has a Scripture the mentions this frase, "Seeing they will not see and hearing they will not hear". God made it this way so that scripture and revelation of it would not be found by people who could not care less anyway. Folks who have this life all figured out and hate "religion" love to watch video's like this one and act like they have anything to say about it when the real interpretation of the scripture cant even be known by them unless they truly had a sincerity of heart towards the Lord. Again, no one said anything about worthlessness. The Bible is talking about a person or person who may think that they are good or good enough to go to Heaven without actually receiving Jesus as their personal Savior and without the sacrificial blood that Jesus shed to cover the sin. It say's that there is no one who is "Good", no not even one. Good in the sight of the Almighty is not the good that we humans can even comprehend. You could very well be a person of very High worth but you are still not "Good" in God's eyes. What is worth anyway? And why would so many here think that is what Francis is even talking about. People will grasp at anything and say anything to make sure that they never have to give up they're own desires and they're way of life. The fact is that there is a world full of high worth and lovely people, that God loves by the way, that are going to a place that was created by God for Satan and the demons because they have fallen short of the Glory of God! If you disagree with the Gospel and Christians in General, why not just avoid listening and arguing and go live your life of worth? What a shame that there are so many who God loves so, but who will never really hear or understand. Lord help them.
actually ? the biggest lie told today is I LOVE you .... LOVE is rare this age and day - but many people say it. Too much self destruction and self hatred going around ...... and those who hate themselves ? Can't love someone else. However - they worship others.
You were born to love and serve God in this life and be with him the next. Don't listen to this toxic garbage. God called creation good. We are apart of that creation.
You were born to find happiness and leave the world a better place than when you found it. Find something that inspires you and interests you and go with it.
Epicgamer6711 You were born in this world to be a good neighbor, learn about God, stay away from evil and live forever with God and all His loving and peaceful children. The journey in this world has its ups and downs, but God is faithful. He will never leave you.
+Jose Louise Carlos .. What really sucks is to die without accepting Christ's atoning death for the remission of sin, sin we were all born into. Or as Bob Dylan put it, in his song "Saved", "... born already ruined, stone cold dead as I stepped out of the womb".
I feel like the crux of Francis' message is correct -- we all need a Savior -- we need Jesus. He is the only way to heaven. However, there are nuances in what he says that I feel may misrepresent the Father's motives and heart. You could easily hear what he is saying and take it to mean that because God is also "a God of wrath", when we sin He turns His wrath on us and is planning to punish us eternally because of how wrathful He is. I would say that in that situation He still loves us dearly. His wrath is aimed at the sin, not at us. But if we spurn the salvation that Jesus has purchased for us, we are choosing to hang onto the sin in our lives and let it drag us to hell with it. I don't think it's right to equate the devil, the false prophet and the beast with humans in the area of God wanting to punish us eternally. He created humans and said it was very good. Humans are created in His image and likeness. Yes, we will wind up in hell if we don't accept the gift of salvation that Jesus has purchased for us with His death on the cross, but I don't think it's a correct characterization to paint the picture of God wanting to punish us because He is a wrathful God. I could probably get into more nuance, but I think I've said enough. We need Jesus and are doomed without Him, and He and the Father are both wonderful, and loving, and just.
God's wrath is an extension of his love. If you love your child playing in the yard you are going to hate the snake in the grass that's about to bite him. If you hold on to your false identity as a sinner, then the love of god will burn you until you, possibly forever. But there's hope even then: Ps 22:27 "ALL the ends of the world will remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations will worship before you."
I think the hair to split is regarding what the target of God's wrath is. You could easily interpret Francis' message as saying that people who sin are the target of God's wrath, rather than the sin that is entangling them. I agree with your post, though.
I'm so happy that God has a heart big enough to use his son as a shield for us to block his just wrath. What a good friend we all have in such an amazing lord.
So if I'm not good who's fault is that? Are you saying I am bad by default just by being born ? Say I decided to create a robot which I hard wired to do both good and bad. Robot misbehaves which got me mad that I will now punish it for eternity. Yup makes sense. Are you sure you aren't the one spreading lies ?
Drifter 003 but you're not a robot.....you make decisions on your own, no? Or are you blaming God and others for the choices you have made? By nature (genetically) yes you are a sinner but you are also a sinner by thoughts, motives and deeds. You choose to do evil even when you know that what you are doing is wrong. Everyone has done this. So you are guilty before a perfect and holy God. There is none righteous or good, we all cleave to doing evil. And when we do them, we have absolutely no concern how our actions affect others, ourselves and ultimately the One who created us. Because of this we ALL stand guilty before God. He is right in judging us for how we choose to live our lives, just like a judge is just for sentencing a "bad" (society's standard) person to punishment. Does this person not have free will? Aren't they supposed to be allowed to do whatever they want since this is the country of freedom? Who cares if he kills someone, rapes a person, robs a bank. He has free will! Do you see how detrimental that thought process is. God gave us free will because He wants us to choose wisdom, to choose to want to do right and ultimately to choose to love Him not out of force but out of willfulness. Those who choose evil over the love of God, are in themselves worthless. Why are you sticking around for, to cause more harm to the world, to people? It makes no sense and that is why God is going to get rid of every evil doer.
Btw ..the wages of sin is DEATH ..that is the consequence ..as you can see we are all dying. Jesus came so that you may have eternal life and save us from perishing, if only you would believe n put your trust in Him completely. This is an act of someone who is NOT guilty, as we are, taking our punishment as if they have committed the crime just so that you can go free. You are the sinner, you are the one who chooses to do wrong, Yet Jesus who never sinned died and bore the sins of the world in order for you and I to be freed from Gods righteous anger, which we rightfully deserve. God cleansed the world of wickedness by flooding the earth with water, when He comes back He will cleanse the earth this time with fire, and sin/evil will be no more. If you choose to ignore Gods gift of grace n mercy, and you're caught in your sin, you will be left on this earth n perish in that cleansing of fire. He's getting rid of sin forever, that is the punishment, not that you will be burning forever for fun. Your punishment is eternal, there will be no more of you because you were too consumed in your sin to head to Gods warning.
Jenny Anderson , I used to be christian myself and getting out of the Christian cult is one the best thing I've done for my self. I realized it was all nonsense. I mean how can one not see all the horrible things described in the OT . Murder, rape, incest, slavery just to name a few. Christians ignore those part of the bible and cherry pick whats palatable to them. Just look at the whole christian doctrine. We are all screwed just because the first two people god chose to be in the garden "disobeyed" . Do you really believe a talking snake screwed up all god's plan so bad that he'd have to go for plan B OR is all part of his sick game? That the whole humanity is now deserving of eternal burning in hell? Eternal. Let that sink your head for a minute. Not unless of course he sacrifices himself to himself. Are you telling me that the god you call all knowing did not know humanity would screw up? He didn't know he'd have to drown all humans and animals on the planet minus 8 people and 2 of each animals? All because a snake or the devil whom HE shouldn't have never put in the garden in the first place, fucked up all humanity? Don't know about you but I think that's so goddamned immoral. Consider a situation where a father leaves his toddler in a room with a pistol. He tells him not to touch the gun or he could die. Of course the child doesn't know any better , picks up the gun and shoots himself accidentally. Do you blame the innocent child or the father? The father stood there watched his child die. Of course he couldn't intervene, he loves him so much he can't possible take away the child's "freewill" . Wake up! What you call freewill is ultimatum. Believe or burn forever. Aren't you tired of going through cognitive dissonance? Your bible tells you whatever you ask will be given to you. When your prayer doesn't get answered you say it's not "gods will" to resolve that disharmony in your head. Instead facing the possibility that god doesn't exist , you choose to lie to lie to your self and say "it's not the right time" ,,,"it's not god's will " blah blah . I say why the hell pray in the first place if that's the case.
Drifter 003 I can see just by your response, that you have a personal issue with God. Trust that I wasn't always a believer, used to be just like you. I grew up in a religion, my mom brought me up as a Catholic but I started doing my own thing seeing as my mom was a hypocrite who talked down on certain behaviors that were "ungodly" all the while enjoying partaking in her own sin. That made me question a lot n I hated God because well "why are Gods people so judgmental and hypocritical, He must be the same way." For years I stopped going to church, started drinking, sex, kinda did whatever I wanted to do and it felt liberating to me....at first. Then everything started seeping in, all of this I was doing which were fun, but are temporary. Deep inside I was angry, bitter, suicidal and no matter how much I tried to find true peace, wasn't working for me. By the middle of 2014, It was something drawing me, I all of a sudden started thinking about God but it wasn't til my breaking point in April 2015, I finally opened my mouth n cried out to God out of desperation n brokenness over the way I was living, He finally was able to make a way into my life. Don't get me wrong, I think it's essential that everyone breaks away from their religion, so that they can go searching for love in the things of this world, only to figure out that those things can't satisfy you. That within itself rains true that "no one seeks God and everyone sins and goes there own way." You have a huge misconception of who God is my friend, n you also have a huge misconception of who we are as humans. We make choices everyday on our own, if we can be quite honest, we can make some very bad and selfish choices. Take a look around you, this world is full of evil messed up stuff and they are all the effects of HUMANS. Humans rape, humans murder, humans lie, humans steal, humans cheat and it is all in our free will that we choose to do these evil things. You call yourself a drone as if you or anybody else do not make choices on their own, as if God is controlling your every move. God gives us options; how will you know what is good without evil, how would you know what is happiness without once being sad. With Adam and Eve, God supplied them with EVERYTHING; He literally gave them everything, they legit lacked nothing and yet in their want to be like God, feeling as if God was keeping them from something greater, they disobeyed Gods one rule. God warned them that they would die, they didn't listen n now we are all dying as a consequence. Satan only presented the idea to them, they ran along with it. The Bible refers to a serpent as Satan. He's not some big red creature like form with horns lol as most like to paint him. He is sneaky though and very deceptive, I mean he deceived the entire world. You discredit the Bible because they say things like "The serpent deceived them ..." In revelation it speaks about BEASTS arising from the waters people will look at this and think it's literal. Surely someone can read the Bible and have absolutely NO idea what it's truly saying because it's spiritual, you only see it with your bias thinking. Only God who inspired it can reveal to you what's actually being said in His word. You speak about His omniscience, that He knew beforehand that all of this would happen. That humanity would be deceived n He would have to flood the earth , and all of these things would come with it. Understand that we are created in Gods image, which means He created us with emotions just like Him, He created us wisdom and knowledge, He created us with a conscience against right and wrong which means that EVERYONE knows whether or not they are violating that conscience. God knows the difference between Good and evil and yet He can not sin. We know the difference between Good and Evil and yet we constantly choose to do evil. Why? And why do we glorify doing evil; why do we glorify lying to each other, to killing one another, sacrificing babies etc. We only see a glimpse of what humans are capable of doing, imagine God who sees EVERYTHING, knows our hearts, our motives, He sees what people do behind closed doors, imagine how He feels. He flooded the earth because people were So wicked, and He even warned them FOR YEARS to turn from their evil ways n they still didn't want to out of pride and love for their sins. Like I said in my previous post, He gave us free will so that we would choose to do want to do right, and also choose His love over our selfish needs and actions but unfortunately we don't. God knowing that His own creation would turn their backs on Him, that He would have to come don to reconcile His children back unto Him, that it would be a long pursuit of winning back the very people He created and hate Him says a lot about His good character and not ours. When He gave us free will and didn't create robots, He gambled with His heart knowing that some His own creation would love Him and some will downright hate Him. As for judgement, God is the very essence of love and because He is love, He's getting rid of the very thing that causes suffering in the world (sin) and all who partake in it. Hell is a doctrine of fear created by the Catholic Church to get you to follow their religion or burn. That's not even biblical. Jesus said " For God so loved the world, He sent his son that whoever believes in Him, won't PERISH (die) but have everlasting life. Jesus did not come to save us from an eternal place of torment because it doesn't exist, He came to give us life and to deliver us from the grips of sin and death. Simple. However, same way He once flooded the earth to get rid of sin, next time He will cleanse this earth with fire and ALL sin, the effects of sin and anyone wrapped up in sin are going to PERISH in it and they will be no more. No more hurting, no more crying because everyone who enjoyed and NEVER felt the need to ask God for help to change will cease to exist completely. Sounds pretty fair and loving to me. As for the Bible condoning rape, murder, incest. Where?? The Bible RECORDED the lives of people, people did these things, that doesn't mean God agreed with the actions of them. The Bible recorded that people were burning their babies and offering them as sacrifices to their idols, and never did God say He condoned it, if anything He punished them for it. Please read in context. The example I provided is me telling you that God is a judge and there are consequences for our actions. There is no moral outside of God..who makes it up? Do we along the way choose what's right and what's wrong? Thats dumb. A moral standard is already set in stone and that moral is God. Sure, if you want to compare your goodness to those of the world then yes you'll always find someone worse than you, but compare it to God who is perfect, you'll see that you have fallen short. You don't need religion to tell you that obviously, you have a conscience and you know right from wrong but doesn't mean you don't go against your conscience and still choose to do wrong. For that God will judge you also. There are absolute laws that we as humans have all broken before God and there are consequences for breaking them which is death. The purpose of the Gospel is not to turn bad people good and good people more good, the point is to bring dead people back to life. Before God we are all dead in our sin but having faith in Jesus will give us eternal life, a prosperous life, here on earth and eternally. God still being merciful and gracious, pays for our debt so that we can go free and we still don't take it? How stubborn and prideful can we be. What you're really saying is "Thanks but no thanks God, I know that what I'm doing is wrong and is worthy of death n I really just don't care. I don't need your mercy or your grace, I'll just take this punishment on myself" n surely he'll give you what you want, since you think you can handle standing before a holy and righteous God. Even in our disobedience and unbelief in Him, He extends His hand still n we reject it. I'm sorry that you felt as if your prayers were never answered and I know it's not something you want to hear but a lot of things do happen that we don't understand why. However, your sin separates you from God period, whether it's because you have guilt and shame because of your sin that makes you feel as if He doesn't love you or you just hate Him because of the actions of infallible man. Unless you put your pride aside and humble yourself, you will continue to have misconceptions of who God is. You may view my beliefs in God as brainwash, I mean we're all brainwashed by something lol; you're brainwashed by society's thinking, by a bunch of changeable theories and just can't seem to figure out the truth or why you were even brought here on earth. This world is under the bondage of their feelings, emotions, basically whatever their body tells them to do they do it and ultimately people are under the bondage of death. I find it funny that people fear death n hate the idea of it but run to the very things that end up killing them not only physically but mentally, emotionally and spiritually. Without God people are walking dead men but they think that they are so free. We think we can live a peaceful prosperous life spiritually without involving the very One who gives us this breath to breathe everyday. We think we can work our way to Heaven although he clearly tells us that no one is perfect, no one is good and the only way to Him is to accept Jesus. "Nope, nope but we feed the homeless, we are nice to people sometimes, we donate blood, we really are good. I mean it's not like I murder people like him, or rape people like that scum over there. I might lie a few times here and there, or steal only when I really need to, punch someone in the face if they get on my nerves, but I'm not even THAT bad." Lol but you're still bad tho..How highly and self righteous of us.
Drifter 003 And btw there are bunch of people who are Christians by name and not by action or faith in Jesus. God deals with those people as well, they are called hypocrites because they claim to know Him but their hearts are far from Him. Religious people even killed Jesus so that should say a lot about how God wants to know us personally and not through religion. Religious people are self righteous and a lot of them come in the name of Christianity, doesn't mean that they know God and God is working through them because they even persecuted Him. Oh yea and the Bible does say ask and it shall be given to you. God is not some Genie who is here to fulfill your wishes, He is a father and the Creator of everything including us. He knows us better than we know ourselves. Sometimes what we ask for is often very destructive for us and He doesn't give it to us, we hate Him. We want a God who thinks just like us, likes the same thing we desire and gives us everything we ask for, but then that means God wouldnt be God, He would be ..well..us. 1. This request isn't speaking to sinners, you need to first reconcile to God in order for Him to hear your prayers 2. "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” Is this what you were referring to? Lol again read in context. He's speaking about receiving the Holy Spirit. Ask and it shall be given to you.... Lastly, As for me, finally coming into the truth of God, finally knowing that I have purpose, that I am not alone and don't need to feel alone because I have father in Heaven who loves me and thought I was worthy enough to die for has given me all of the peace that I need. I am so much more free now that I acknowledge God for who He is and that I'm forgiven for all of the things that I've did prior to knowing Him. Its very much available to you too but you need to un harden your heart towards Him cus He wants relationship with you. You are clearly hurting about something that I don't know about, but He knows, humble yourself and cast your cares to Him, ask for help whatever but don't be bitter toward a God you don't even seem to believe in. He doesn't force himself on anyone, He's just waiting for you to let Him in. God bless you, I hope this helped in some way, whatever questions you have bring them to Him, I can promise you without a doubt, He'll reveal those answers to you. Not through blind faith, I say this through experience because He has done it for me. ❤
Don't believe the wolves in sheep's clothing, they are only to discourage you, make you feel you're never good enough. John14:21 He that hath My Commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me and he that loveth Me Shall Be LOVED Of My FATHER, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him. Psalm84:11 For the Lord GOD is a sun and shield, the Lord will give Grace and Glory, no good thing will He withhold from them that walk uprightly. One of the scariest Lies that the false prophets and false teachers will teach is that the Ten Commandments were done away with at the Cross, Not true. They know that if you break them you will be left behind and then they can lead you to the One World Religion. It will be a law enforced, and that's the law you are to break, the enemies law.
Actually the wolf in sheep's clothing diminish the Gospel by telling you, you are good. In other words Jesus redeemed people who could be justified by works. That's completely the opposite. If we are good then Jesus Christ is just a foot note to show works not a redeemed who did what we can't. Not only that but at our hearts don't want to-do.
No once saved always saved is real Romans 11:5-6. The misunderstanding is that we choose to be born again by using texts like John 3:16 and John 1:12 out of context. Just saying a prayer doesn't save us. Christ does. Which is very much an act of grace on his part. Yet most ignore that fruit will be produced in a saved life verses continuing to live in sin. We are very much saved by Grace. This is work God does in us Eph 2:7-10 and also Phil 1:6. We do not deserve saving faith nor can we produce this on our own.
So then all Paul says is a lie? Romans 11:5-6 " 5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. Eph 2:8-10 " 8 For by grace you have been savedthrough faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship,created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Simply put you have misused James to prove our works save us vs Christ's work. James is saying real faith(which comes from God because of the Grace Christ earned,) is alive and active Just like love. Phil 1:6 "and I am sure of this, that he(this would be God) Who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." Now at this point I must assume that you put more emphasis on the red letters thinking the whole bible isn't as authoritative. Which I give John 5:39 Scripture is about Christ. But if you think your works save you instead of faith let's look at Romans 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin." So which is it? Was Paul wrong? And James right? They are both right. John 1:16 For from his fullness we have have all received, Grace upon Grace. You think you choose to be born again? John 1:13 and Romans 9:16 say other wise. Want red letters? John 3:8 the wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going, so is everyone born of the spirit." Add also John and Ezk 36. I will let you read to see if sinful man can work his way into heaven vs God's grace produces fruit in those whom he has chosen to save. All deserve hell. No one deserves heaven, not one. I will agree there is a heresy being taught and that is just pray this prayer and you are saved. 2 Cor 13:5 tells us to examine ourselves. See God chooses to save some and some he chooses not to save. Another great heresy is thinking we do these works and get to heaven. That also is not true. Instead those who God predestined according to his foreknowledge he has chosen to be conformed into the image of Christ. Romans 8 in the 20s. See God isn't up in heaven waiting to see who follows. God is active in the Salvation of his people. God is at work in those whom he has chosen to save.
Stevie Koch actually those are not misunderstood that lead people to once saved always saved. That is actually what scripture teaches. I do not in anyway dismiss obedience to Christ. You will know a tree by its fruit. I am saying(like scripture Romans 11 is pretty clear) you are saved because God chose to save(grace) repentance is an obedient act yet it is granted by God 2 Tim 2:25. Simply put perseverance shows God has chosen to save us.
1 Cor 4:7 For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?" Stevie Koch this is easy, if God grants repentance, 2 Tim 2:25 God gives saving faith, Eph 2:8-8, and Romans 9:16 says So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. Romans 11:5-6 5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. If you are saved it is by God's grace. You put more emphasis on the red letters when the red letters quote the rest of scripture and are in full support of the rest of scripture. You keep talking about how Jesus never said anything about Grace. How about John 6:44, for starters. Add Ezk 36. God brought you to Christ. In other words it was God's decision to heal you. If that ain't Grace that he would give the Holy Spirit that you may be conformed to the image of Christ then I don't know what is. Romans 9:11 1 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls-" If you are truly obedient as you say it's cause God chose you before hand to save you. For his names sake not yours. Its about him, his glory, his love, his goodness. There is none in you apart from the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:9 " You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." You can preach your works all day but you don't choose to born again anymore than you chose to be born the first time John 1:13. As for me I will boast in Christ. Not my works, not my sin. I love him because he first loved me. This means I obey him because he chose me. Not he chose me because I obey(how did works, work out for the Pharisees) John 10:26 " but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep." The cause of them not believing is because they don't belong. If you are saved it isn't cause of your works that's just the proof in the pudding. But what works do you have? Hoses 6:6 and Matt 9:13 show my works.
False teaching he removed the verse from context. If you read further you will see that the verse is making the point we are all sinners by the law but that Jesus redemned us from the law. We are perfect through the blood of Jesus Christ. Romans 3: 19 thru 25 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Romans 3:19-25 KJV bible.com/bible/1/rom.3.19-25.KJV
Calling these beliefs lies, based on nothing but your own beliefs in the truth of the bible (which is written by man and full of contradictions) seems foolish to me. Also your beliefs are an ideology of fear. What is the worth of the struggle to be a good person when it only happens because of the fear of punishment?
OFCLREALMinistries It might be because I watch a bunch of political stuff and in the US that often intersects with religion. It might also simply be because I recently watched something with "lies" in the title. Who knows. Anyways, I believe it is fruitful to expose yourself to beliefs and philosophies that you don`t share, because it helps you to understand other people and sometimes you even find them to have good points, which causes self-reflection.
Seeric85 You have a really awesome point, why would anyone just do something out of fear? It seems like many Christians are simply motivated by fear of Hell - a lot like other religions, sad... But Jesus actually said that He was a treasure so valuable that we could give up everything just to follow him, and gain much much more in Him! If you watch more of Chan's videos he explains that... Anyway, the bible says we all need Jesus to have eternal life, but it's more about reward than punishment, because having a relationship Jesus is so worth it! Thanks...
Seeric85 I hope you take the time to read this. So what is your belief? We all have a belief. if you choose not to believe it is still a belief. if you believe in nothing, well then where did all the something come from. If you believe in the big bang and then the evolution of species you still have a belief. The thought for me is this. Christians are told at times that we have a blind faith. Now I can understand that statement on it's own. Now to believe in nothing is pretty silly as there is clearly something that must of started it all. Yet still a belief. Then the "wise" people of today say that it was the big bang, or that there was a little ball of something that spun out the universe and so forth. Problem is so many have pulled that theory apart who are non-religious and have showed it has too many flaws. Yet this theory is pushed as truth. But that doesn't even worry me that much. We all have a belief. The thing that makes me wonder is why am I here, what is this all for, and what happens to me when I die? Everybody in some way or another either by science or religion is trying to answers these questions. Truth is we all want to know the answer to this or have thought about it and choose not to give it any more thought as it can really stress you out. For if there is a God, then I need to find out what He wants, what is His deal and I would need to change while I am enjoying the pleasures that this God calls sin. But that is still not what I am trying to get at. We have a blind faith yet I fail to see how. The whole big bang theory or whatever they might be calling it now on a deeper level says, I came from whatever started it all so many billion of years ago. That I am here for no other reason than just pure chance of evolution and when I die I go absolutely no where. So as a criminal I might spend some time in jail, or I might have had a terrible life been raped and abused. It makes no difference because when I die we all gone and nothing matters. There is no justice for those who have had a terrible life or for the criminals and greedy people who take advantage of the system and abuse people. So if I kill someone it doesn't matter. Sure we can say evolution has evolved us to care and have morals as such. But who decides what is correct moral behavior? I see evolution not as something smart and in fact a greater step of blind faith. Yes there are bad people who claim to be Christians but actually have no intention of doing what Jesus actually taught. There are bad people period who do evil things period. Joseph Staling did many evils in the name of evolution. So many evil people did so much evil in view of that like Hitler too. Who by evolution believed German people where the superior races. Then you can look at the Christian crusades and point fingers at people who thought they where christian and did many evils in the name of God. That alone doesn't prove that Christianity is not real. it proofs men are evil. Blind faith I don't think so. I believe evolution is a blind faith. We say God created us for a purpose and when we die we can spend eternity with him if we choose Him. It is not based on fear of punishment. Yes as a good God who has to judge fairly, he must act for justice as well. Suppose you where in court for a crime you never did, and the judge gives you a unfair trail and sends you to jail without hearing your case. Would you call him a fair judge. Now God gives us a free will to chose life or to chose life without Him. That choice is up to you and no one can force you. He provides a way out, what seems so foolish but yet in it is life. He sends His Son to die for our sins offering us a mercy and grace free of charge. We only got to believe. God promises us that no matter what if you believe in Him you are saved. We only have to fear punishment if we going somewhere bad. Now if that same judge had to judge you for a crime you did do, and he provided a way out for you. A way out which means you never have to suffer or go to jail, the question is would you take it? Also you would see that this judge also cares for you. This is what God has done. But he wants our hearts. He wants you to choose Him as He has chosen you. If he forces you to choose then he hasn't got your heart. Yet we must choose now, for one day it will be to late and God would say I gave you so many opportunities to take my free pardon for your sins. Any man that looks at this world and draws the conclusion that there is no God has allowed his heart to be blinded for the sake of his/her own conscious because what they really want is not to accept there is a God. Because that would mean I would have to change. To change a bad habit for something good is hardly a given up of something. We all want to do good, that is why we believe we not so bad and believe we actually good people. God just wants to give you what you really want and the ability through and by Jesus only to have life and that in abundance. Will there still be troubles. everyday. My family is a mess, and I have a no easy life even as a Christian. I just have a secure hope in Christ. I sin and make mistakes all the time. Though I know that when I die because I believe in Jesus I will be in a better place. I believe God is God and therefore I have no right as a created human to tell God how He is to ran His creation and what rules He should make. Yet I am sure glad that He showed me Jesus and gave me a pardon because of Jesus. By that I am free to live life without the fear of punishment irrespective of my sins I have done and will do. I do make every effort to live a life that will honor God, but I can only do that by faith and faith alone. Faith in Jesus pleases God. He is a easy God to please. Just believe in Jesus and allow Him into your life and He will do the work in you. I am really sorry that all you have seen maybe is just terrible professing Christians claiming to know Jesus make true Christianity and what it really stands for seem silly and stupid. I hope this helps you see that there is more, and I ask that you don't judge us by the few wolves in sheep's clothes as we won't judge you by what you think of us. There is so much more to this life than what we see. No true Christian is after your money either. In fact we don't even really care for it. We know you need it to do things with in this life, but it holds no sway on us. People that want your money, I would also tell you to be careful of them. People that say one thing and quickly do another. I would also say be careful of them. In the end it will only be God who judges you. So don't worry about those who make Christianity seem bad for they can do nothing for you. Cheers
Michael Pretorius Hey there. I took the time to read through your reply. Let me start by telling you a bit about me and my approach to these matters. I was raised a protestant in Germany and believed in God for most of my early life. I started to have serious doubts around the time I was 15-16 and lost my faith in God. Today I could not tell you what it was in particular that caused this. I remember I went through a phase where I was that typical edgy atheist kid that thinks religion was the worst thing to happen to humanity. I left that behind as well, and today, as an adult, I would rather describe myself as a skeptic than an atheist. I do not believe in easy answers when it comes to the nature of our existence. I do however believe that evolution is a real thing, since it is scientific consensus and can be observed in nature. Obvious examples that are very clear to a layman is the breeding of domesticated animals. Are you aware of the silver fox domestication project that the Soviets started in the 50's? Today we can observe the results of that, with only 50 years of selective breeding causing significant changes in behaviour and appearance of the foxes. The existence of evolution however does not disprove the existence of a God or in fact the christian God. I do not think less of people because they are religious, in fact, I am a bit envious when it comes to people like you who have such strong convictions. It offers answers to questions that I will probably never be able to answer and makes life easier in general. However I can not lie to myself and start believeing in something that my rational mind is telling me is not true. When I observe the world around me I see nothing that fits the christian myths of the allmighty creator. To me the world around me is chaotic struggle for survival and superiority, were the strong and adaptive thrive. The inherent value of moral behaviour, "being a good person" as they call it, from a distanced view is that it is a human survival mechanism. Forming social bonds is inherently importent for our success as a species. But that is only the distanced view. Being "a good person", being moral and respecting others feels right to me. That is why I strive to be a better person. I am listening to my instincts. On some level I believe most of what we do to be biological determinism, but that doesn`t devalue my actions or me as a person, at least in my own eyes. I also believe in a personal code of honour, but that is a very subjective personal philosophy.
PROOF TEXTING... YOU ARE DISCREDITED.... You evangelical protestants have no clue what you are talking about. You are doing more harm to the Christian people than any other group. In Genesis God called his creation good. Humanity is part of creation. Going by your argument, is no is good than why was Noah saved? Also, there will be a final judgement... not punishment.
Cho co he wants to tell you the truth. You saught to discredit him for a great truth he revealed! Is that not a candle light into the darkness of your own heart? Lighting up ur intent that shows you think someone else is filled with evil. That'll make you suffer in a disgusting set of days as long as you don't seek change
Every church Ive been to loves trying to spin Roman 3:9-12 and say that this only applies to people who arent Christians yet. There is no context at all to imply this, yet it does more to keep the congregation happy. Thank you Francis Chan for telling the truth about that verse.
None of us can achieve 100% goodness and righteousness without God and faith in Christ, no works can completely satisfy God, when we have faith in Christ, we satisfy God. Righteousness is nothing we can achieve ourselves, we need God. This is my take on everything, God bless all of you!
This is so true. We are all sinners that is why we cannot judge other people. Self righteousness makes us judgemental and this is the truth. If we could embrace this fact, we could all understand the benefit of God’s grace.
This is the truth and all humanity are scared to admit that we are all fallen beings. The sooner we all admitt this fact daily, the sooner we will fall on our knees and ask for the true forgiveness Christ has to offer, the sooner people will be truly saved and not wear a Christian mask in our blind pridful society. I am preaching to myself also. Thank you Pastor.
As a Quaker I admire all you have done to simplify your life and give to the poor. But also as a Quaker I believe that there is that of God in each of us
I get where he's coming from, but this video is clearly leaving people confused about their worth and identity. People already know that they've done bad things (sinned) but that doesn't identify us as sinners. We were lost sons and daughters, and God got us back through Christ to be filled with the spirit and walk like Christ. I went through a season of depression with the mentality that I was a "bad person", until God showed me my value and purpose. I was created to shine and love others like Jesus. He do not give us a spirit of fear but of boldness.
The truth hurts to hear sometimes. But in this world, at this time, the truth is very often obscure and kept away from us. Francis gets right to the point here and tells us what we need to know, not what we may want to hear.
nerdsmack Amen!
+nerdsmack What you need to know is that THERE IS NO GOD. And yes, you NEED to hear that.
+mariobros882000 Sir the flying spaghetti monster will punish you for eternity if you do not eat at olive garden at least twice a week.
+tfortommyb the reality is there is gonna come a day when ALL will stand before the very God that many chose not to Believe in, but it will be too late to change their circumstances because now the will have to answer for their life and if it's not founded on Jesus Christ it will only imply that your name is not written in the Book of Life and you'll be cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone which was (originally created for the Devil and his angels)...people think God is a joke but I hope they wake up soon and come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved from the Wrath to Come...His Justice is on a completely different level than ours
+Nikko Daniels What 'reality' is this? There is no evidence of this claim whatsoever... Have you ever taken a step back and thought maybe, just maybe that all religions are bullshit meant for controlling simple minded folk and raking in a ton of untaxed dollars for personal greed? Seriously stop and think about it... Think about how many wars and atrocities have been carried out in the name of religion INCLUDING christianity...
There is nothing good in us apart from God. Thank you God for working in me and producing good fruits.
Powerful Truth
The truth is you can do nothing without Jesus and his teachings, you must apply them, visit a voice in the dessert youtube.
John:15: “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
There newer is a truth in a christian.
Speak for yourself.
I could listen to Francis Chan talk about the TRUTH all day long. Nothing fake or phony here. Humble. Respectful.
I really like this because he backs up his facts with the Word. In my opinion, if you want to tell me "truths" about the Lord, then you better have bible verses to back you up
+FeatherGirl What "facts" is he backing up and with what? Please elaborate.
+FeatherGirl Argument by authority = the weakest type of argument (actually not even valid)
Ramon Vallejo Scripture is not evidence of anything. I don't blindly believe in anything without evidence, just because it's written down. Even if it's thousands of years old. I also wouldn't believe you, if you told me that the Loch Ness Monster is real.
Ramon Vallejo You don't know that scripture is truth, you believe that scripture is truth. Faith is faith. It doesn't matter if you have faith that God exists, or that Peter Pan exist. One is not more true than the other, according to their equal complete lack of evidence. There's only one definition of faith. Faith means you believe in something without evidence. If you disagree with this, you don't know what faith means. You don't have the slightest evidence for any of the things you believe, where I have evidence for everything I know. I'm not just looking for any answer, I'm looking for the correct answer, or the closest to it. You should be more skeptic and critical. Good luck.
+Ramon Vallejo Why is the scripture truth? Why aren't other myths truth? What argument do you have to back up this?
Why don't they preach this in church today ?
Because the truth is not and never will be popular. People want and have always wanted their egos stroked. Only those who are willing to admit their weakness who will go through the eye of the needle. By grace.
They do in some churches. In ours they do.
paul schroeter yups in most churches they do preach this or at least the one i've been to
paul schroeter this preaching sucks and not the truth. Well some of them are but it wasnt explained in the right way.
Care to explain what you think isn't true by what he said? Scripture fully backs up what he's saying here, and he just preaches it straight up, as it should be preached.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
Proverbs 8:13
Y’all sad if you believe in fairytales
Praise God there are still men who preached the real gospel.
I really need prayer for my family and friends and enemies to be saved!! This is tearing me up inside!! 😢
Melissa Kecken God bless.
I am praying for you and your family right now.
Yea I know how that feels but the truth of the Holy Spirit reminded me of Isaiah59:1 Surley the arm of the Lord is not to short to save nor his ear to dull to hear. May the good Lord bless your soul.
Melissa Kecken I believe God allows us to be "tore up" inside sometimes. If we don't.. we wouldn't begin to lay aside the "things and stuff" that SEEM so important..to pray and intercede for our families and friends and enemy's.. and get into the Word to find the answers. The "things" of the world keep us so occupied..but we MUST take back that time..and spend it in His presence... calling back.. and crying out for those who need Him..and those who are lost.
Plant your seeds and let God do the rest. Only God can save...
“Truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.”
― Warren W. Wiersbe
Brilliant Warren
hotdoc007
Interesting. My 2 favorite words are Love and Truth. I always say to people that you must strive for these 2 components of life, and you can't have one without the other. They can't be separated.
If I could start a new church group we would be called, "Love and Truth Gospel."
So true.
hotdoc007 hey I love this quote thank you!!
hotdoc007 thanks for this quote!!
Amen
I know I suck
Pray that I may truthfully repent
Apart from Jesus I can do nothing
Lord have mercy on my thoughts
Thank you for speaking through Francis
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You don't suck. You are probably about average. Anything "wrong" with humans is God's fault for 1. Designing us this way, 2. Putting a forbidden tree right next to two brand new humans that didnt know right from wrong 3. Designing the "perfect" creation to break/"fall" the second a human doesn't perfectly obey God 4. Making sin hereditary.
There is nothing to repent or feel bad about for being born, and it's sickening that you are being told that you have to apologize for existing.
Realizing im not a good person has humbled me because i realize my need for jesus😊💙
Amen Francis. You are speaking the truth brother. Keep up the good work in Jesus' precious Name.
+Michael NewZealand Don't forget your brother Chan teaches lies and says the Good Lord will punish souls forever without end.
Mike Hammer Many teachers teach that. Rev 20:10 Then the devil who fooled them will be thrown into the lake of fire and burning sulfur. He will be there with the beast and the false prophet, and they will be in pain day and night forever and ever.
Whats your view on this verse?
+Michael NewZealand People often like to leave out scripture to justify being naughty. Kind of like people twist the bible to make it say not to judge. Very common these days which is sad. People also mix up hell the jail and the lake of fire the prison that is eternal. They don't like the fact that God does punish. They forgot why Jesus Christ saved them apparently. God loved them so much he gave the life of his only begotten Son as payment for mankind so they wouldn't be separated from God. Eternal separation from God is torment and which results in the Lake of Fire. People love themselves a hippie version of the Bible but not the actual Bible.
+Marquis Reid .........There
is NO eternal hell…’aionios’ is the Greek word mistranslated as ‘eternal’ in
many Bible translations…'aionios' is the Greek word for the Old Testament term,
'olam' and 'olam' definitely does not mean 'eternal'...read the Septuagint, the
Greek translation of the Old Testament which was quoted by the New Testament
writers many times so the Septuagint is authoritative.....'aionios' appears
hundreds of times in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old
Testament, and does NOT mean 'eternal' in the Septuagint Greek Old Testament...therefore
the Bible does not teach 'eternal punishment'.
God Through Jesus Ultimately Redeems All Humanity
That is what I stated their is no eternal hell. However leaving out the Lake of Fire is just removing from the Bible. The Lake of Fire which Hell is thrown into.
God doesn't punish? Why wouldn't He? Why SHOULDN'T He? He creates a world of perfection, of joy, peace, love, provision, intimacy with Him and we burn it to the ground! He made everything, so He deserves to write the rules for everything. And whoever writes the rules has the right to deal however they want with anyone who breaks them. Especially when the rules are broken wilfully and repeatedly.
Slaves are still preaching their masters gospel to keep people ignorant. Preaching heresay about mythological characters. People are smarter now and it's n
I've broken rules even after I was saved; please forgive my wickedness and ignorance...amen.
Yes God is the moral standard, morals are not a matter of opinion.
***** sure keep believing that lie!
If he claims to be omnipotent omnipresent and omnibenevolent. How can he just punish and smite his perfect creation in your words. If you say because humans are the cause of all even the you have to consider two possibilities that fall solely on the responsibilities of God. 1) he created man as perfect yet with a imperfect will that he knowing full well would result in some of them going to hell. 2) he some how turned of the benevolence aspect of his being and created imperfect things like the a devil serpent knowing Satan would trick and destroy his most perfect creation in his eyes. Either one is a tough pill to swallow. But you seem to be blindly following the undeterminable dispositions of your God, so what say you if he decided to change his mind
For all have fall short of God's glory!
...yeah dude He supposedly designed us to fall short of His "glory." So why should we apologize for being born the way He made us?
*I find it hard to believe that someone would not like Francis. This guy is so solid but truthful and not a pushover, he’s so friendly and helpful and also light hearted. Heard him preach in person before, and I love how he embodies Christ. Great message, very true*
OMG... Just woke up this morning praying, spoke to God and asked him, Lord why do my brothers and sister see the reality of sin. Thank you for being a instrument in for the Lord. We need our eyes to be open before it’s to late. May the Blessings of the Holy Spirit be upon you always.
rickinpr don’t say omg it’s bad it’s using Christ ‘s name in vein
I’m just tryin to help because I used to struggle with using his name in vein I don’t do it anymore that sin is gone I have never done it ever again and probably never will
I love the truth that pastor Chan revealse from God's word. This is essential to allowing individuals from everywhere to know. And even as scary, is the fact that individuals walk around, daily, not realizing that our lives can be taken from us at any moment (i.e. sickness, or Christ's return!.
Pastor Chan, I RARELY leave comments on UA-cam but my brother I shall continually intercede for you that THIS TRUTH of the Spirit of Christ shall NEVER depart from your life, no matter what it costs you. Maranatha, brother and I love you.
AMEN & AMEN! How ARROGANT the heart is to believe that it is 'good enough' to enter heaven APART from REPENTANCE & RECEIVING THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF THE LAMB SHED TO WASH AWAY OUR FILTHY STAIN! THANK YOU LORD JESUS FOR TAKING MY PLACE!!!!!!!
Why do we have a "filthy stain?" Was it passed down to us through no fault of our own? Why should we apologize for being born?
Reading 90% of the comments I think yall are missing the message. It is not what Chan believes, it is what God says. By nature we have Sin in us, there is no way that we can be good on our own. "We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment(women menstrual bloody rags). We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away." Isaiah 64. The message is that we all need Jesus, He is the only way to God, not our good works or deeds. Read God's word and find agreement with The Creator not the created. Want to see God's Love? Read Hosea, He loves, He is faithful, He wants us! Even tho we don't. Joy comes in rejoicing in the GOODNESS of God! not ours. This message is from a brother to another, make much of Him :D
Amen.
Mark 10:18
18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. "
Pastor. Chan, we live in very confusing times. The end is at hand. Be watchful and pray and above all; repent. May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you and every soul that listens to this humble message. In Jesus name. Amen. From Panama.
Dear fellow Christians, I find it crazy how much we argue about what we know to be truth. Stop arguing.
Child of the Truth Wow God bless you and much love and grace to you. Jesus Christ loves us all dearly and completely. Abundant blessings in Jesus name as you continue in your walk with Him. Much love to you child of God.
" I do not agree that all Christians will find at least something to disagree with one another."
Christians argue CONSTANTLY about non-essential doctrines, for example: Pre-Trib , Post-Trib or Mid-Trib rapture ... Eternal security ... Keeping the Sabbath ... Baptism being essential for salvation ... I could go on and on.
I'm shocked that you've never noticed this
kimosabbe50 We live in a day of itching ears.
Agreed, but I don't know how that relates to my comment.
How exactly do we correct false doctrines without argument?
A world without argument is a world that is apathetic. A world that compromises morality without contention.
We are literally told to go and preach repentance unto all nations. A literal impossibility without argument.
Christ is not apathetic or passive. He is active in command.
This man is speaking the truth, I really like him, he goes right to the point and he is not afraid of telling the truth of the Bible and God. Its funny cause I talked about sin with a friend yesterday and what we have to know is that we really cant consider ourselves good people cause we all fall short of Gods glory, we are Gods children, but that doesn't necessarily mean we are good people. Therefore it is so important we try to be and follow jesus in his footsteps...
Amen
Watch 180 movie by ray comfort and his other videos.
If you like him, you'd love zac poonen. I recommend you watch some of zacs sermons
oh he is so bold to be so stupid.
No Body Ray Comfort is a heretic who not only preaches works salvation but also says that the cross I not enough
Truth in love. Your passion is infectious Francis.
Such an amazing preacher. He talks about the hard stuff and does it so well.
God bless you for speaking truth boldly in love!
Gods Word is final
GOD'S
WHAT WOULD GOD PUNISH US FOR??? SIN
IF JESUS TOOK EVERYONE'S SINS 2000 YEARS AGO, AND GOD DOES NOT REMEMBER YOUR SINS NO MORE. HE SEES US RIGHTEOUS THROUGH CHRIST WHICH MEANS HE SEES US RIGHTEOUS.
THE ONLY PUNISHABLE SIN IS UNBELIEF IN JESUS"
Love this guy, he speaks the truth without worrying about offending.
2019, still relevant and still true, even more so. Saints we need to stand strong in these days, and turn away from false doctrines and this new age care bear Christianity that has become so popular. It is based on man's works, goodness, and politics rather than the organic building up by the Holy Spirit. Be watchful and hold fast to scripture ! Praise the Lord!
Great preach,
As a lutheran i would agree on this 100percent, but not because im a lutheran its because im a christian, and this is biblical. God is loving but therefor he needs to punish evil.
Marius Sørenes
Christian, Luther, Protestant, Catholic. Are all dumb names to separate God's people. We all believe the same thing, we should call ourselves the products of God.
Marius Sørenes lutherans are not christian. Luther was an Apostate because he trusted a false gospel of works for salvation. Yes, he came to realize the truth after self-condemning himself but he still believed in works such as baptismal regeneration. Water baptism is administered after you have already been regenerated to come to repentance and faith. The water was to show you repented(changed your mind to no longer live for dead works) and it was because of and not for the remission of sins because justification is only due to faith and not water baptizing.
spiritual regeneration is the Work of The Spirit and not us.
Kiwi Munoz not all denominations believe the same thing and why there is separation. Mainstream denominations and those whom get in bed with them are apostate, the blind leading the blind.
they have grossly turned away from the Gospel and the Kingdom culture and lifestyle. Most churches outwardly idol worship the fake images of jesus,many believe in works salvation, many only hold to two ordinances when their are 4 not just the supper and baptism. Many speak against modesty or tolerate immodesty causing lust to increase, many dont discipline their local and abroad members, most are not non-violent in lifestyle. Most are duped in trying to form a theocracy instead of waiting for Jesus to establish the true one upon His return. Most believe this country was founded by christians when instead it was deists whom formed and influenced the Constitution. Most approve of so called Christian's to judge to death and discipline by enforcing moral law through secular law and government on practiced sinners and saints.
Many tolerate and approve homosexuality, women teachers and leaders of men, women apostles and deacons to the pastor etc.etc the list goes on and on of how greatly those professing Christ have fallen away and will continue to fall away until the great apostasy is fulfilled.
Marius Sørenes God is still a JUST God he needs to punish and judge evil
Deb Harris That’s not what Lutherans believe at all. We believe that we are born into sin. I don’t know where you get that idea, but it is completely false.
As I struggle with faith, expressing it and seeing people reject Christ these videos give me peace. Francis Chan knows how to connect in many ways.
Thank you God for Francis and his ministry which focuses completely on Jesus.
In other words, most people don't know the Gospel.
If you are in Christ you are a new creation, completely reconciled unto God. We have a message of reconciliation & if you have been born again you have been re-Fathered & now have become righteous. The mystery has been revealed - Christ in us the hope of Glory! Rise-up church & share this amazing news in love & power!
Spot on brother Chan, keep preaching, keep shinning for Christ Jesus!
Yes. This message is right on. The world today really needs to hear THIS, especially this younger generation! Thanks brother Francis for speaking truth in love!
yes, because the youger generation is wicked, but not the older generations?
"Not every one that says to me, 'Master Master!', shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Jesus of Nazareth
love this man..he challenges me many time not to become too comfortable where I am right now but go deeper and not be lukewarm.. this man is on fire and is like a twoedged sword..
Layla Said pastor Arnold Murray
Christ Jesus was right, none are righteous ! Amen. A pessimistic attitude that I definitely endorse.
I think the He is right - however I get the feeling that the church uses these powerful truths to control people in the Church. you really have to have the most humble and patient people teaching this stuff - the evangelical churches are famous for wanting to control your life and putting you on a non-stop guilt trip/
+Eternity With Christ 👍
You have a very valid point and one that is so prevalent in many of our Christian churches. Thank God, it isn't like that for all the churches, just some. I don't think you meant to say that we should not talk about these points.
whiteliketar no the church system you are pointing to was designed to control people period. The Bible is a device for control. The biggest lie is calling it the voice of the Creator.
@@avoiceup3222 well I can assure you everyone who follows Christ is doing so by free will and not "under control"
Dr. Rhymes
Correction , everyone who Christ’s themselves do so due to fear.
Christ = restrain
Restrain - kept under control; prevented from freedom of movement or action .
Which is why they show the heart bound with thorns, an awful symbol for controlling, draining and killing of ones inner child.
You are correct that many sacrifice their heart to molech to be free from true love.
God bless Francis Chan and his message of hope for ALL and his ministry! Praise Jesus and follow Him only as the Way!
God is building up and strengthening His remnant, His bride in these last days. We, more than ever must put Hebrews 3:12-13 into our lives for one another and examine ourselves daily , lest Satan should get an advantage over us, for we are not ignorant of his schemes and deception. We must pray and humble ourselves to receive the truth about God's holiness and our poverty, that we need His filling every moment. Jesus is not glorified in a proud heart that takes bits and pieces of scripture they like and neglect to probe their hearts with the whole truth. We must be honest and allow God to sift us that the true wheat worthy will remain. Our redemption draweth nigh, Jesus is Lord. All glory and praise to God!
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Pastor Francis... Thank You for doing these videos... We have way too many Joel Osteen Type of pastors now in the world who don't teach The Gospel and instead teach a horizontal, Dr. Phil, Feel Good, Prosperity Gospel Message and are not warning unsaved people about the truth found in God's word, and warning them of hell. :)
Word for word
You're so judgemental to put Joel Osteen's name out there. You cannot read his heart. & If you don't like how certain people preach, you get up there and spread the word.
Just because someone has a different input or perspective of scripture doesn't give you the authority to be so haughty and throw stones of judgement at them.
@@stacirivera799 I know, right! And then to speak of christianity in the next breath
@@stacirivera799 Joel Osteen doesn't preach correctly. I am not saying he's bad or anything, no, but I am saying that he doesn't convict his audience with guilt because of their sin. I have noticee thatpreachers like Paul Washer always accuse the audience of their sin. I have to thank preachers like Washer, because without them, I would have never felt guilty of my sins neither would I have been able to turn away from sin.
tell it Frances..the truth is the truth..Our Lord tells the truth..thank you for having the boldness to tell the truth..bless you always my brother in Christ
Thank you Francis it's true we need to discover we are sick before we find a doctor or a cure. Many do not know they are sick with sin.
That's because there is no evidence to support the claim that we are "sick" with something called sin. Just a lot of baseless claims from an ancient book.
@@marlinbundo2409 Dylan hello. What is sin? Missing the mark, wrong things we do based on what Creator God says is acceptable and unacceptable. Eg stealing something small or big makes us a theif.. This is sin. It's a code that EACH of us will be held to and answerable for. Sin is a sickness, a virus that all of us is infected with.
@@pasainchina97 So God designed a world where we could become 'infected' from birth, then expects us to meet a standard he already knows is impossible for us the way he designed us, then gets to torture us for eternity when we fail an impossible task? And this sounds morally perfect to you?
Then, the only way an omnipotent god could think of to fix the situation is to make a human sacrifice out of himself, but it only works if you apologize for being born and believe some crazy impossible stuff happened 2,000 years ago.
Strangely enough, i don't buy it.
@@marlinbundo2409 In the garden Adam & Eve didn't buy it either. They believed a lie that they could be like God. They did it there own way and seriously messed up. The Bible says we have all sinned!true or false? The Bible says that we have all gone our own way. True or false? The Bible says that people love darkness more than light.. True or false?
You are correct it is impossible for us that's why Jesus came to earth.. John 3:16..Romans 3:23 and Romans 10:9 ..Jesus is the only hope for this world
It might be appropriate to add another one to it called the false grace/ license for sin doctrine.
TRUE! I thought I was the only one noticing this.
do u sin?
Well, any Christian who has been a believer for more than a few years would realize that using grace as a license to sin IS itself sin. I mean, it does make sense. Many pastors preach this over and over... The lies that Francis pointed out were blatant lies that MANY born-again Christians believe, unfortunately.
Jacob Steed What I said isn't just about teaching grace as a license for sin. Virtually no eternal security proponent will admit that he, or she proposes eternal security to allow for sin.
The way I see it, to do sinful actions brings about bad consequences (psychologically, emotinally, physically, etc.), repenting is a way to escape those consequences (which is possible because of grace) and allow a person to change their ways. Of course, I'd say repentance is personal and needs to be done over prayer.
I'm glad this teaching came up today. My pastor passed away two years ago this month and he regularly taught this that we are not good saved by the righteousness of Christ.
I'll never forget when I was 16 and the boy I had a huge crush on, shared Christ with me. All my friends were rebelling against their parents. They were sleeping around. I was walking a straight line. I was a "good person"...or so I thought. When he told me I was going to hell without Jesus Christ, I. Was. SHOCKED. Me?! Going to hell?! But I was the good one! Well, a few months and many questions later, I gave my life to Christ. I just celebrated my 24th spiritual birthday two weeks ago.
God bless you. I'm so happy for you.
Jesus didn't come to earth to condemn the world but to save it!!! Everything Changed when Christ died on that cross and then rose again on the 3rd day! God made a way for us to be reconciled to Him... It has nothing to do with good or bad or us. It has everything to do with God and what he did for us because He truly loves us. God Judges, but Judgement is NOT punishment. A loving God teaches us, he corrects us...He puts us through a refining fire.
Oh Sheree - Oh Sheree!
How we rapture for that refining fire!
(btw, can you tell me what the purpose would be of eternity? - only I have not long for this world and it sounds like a pretty hellish idea to me! Imagine spending eternity as a groveling goody; imagine how worn your imaginary knees would be!)
Your beliefs are abject nonsense. Grow up.
Amen. This is truth and the truth will set you free indeed. Believe, now is the time. Thank you Francis Chan for sharing this message.
The two most deceitful from the Devil is: "Man choose God and not v.s" and "God will punish billions of his own creation for eternally in som hellhole"
+Eternity With Christ Isaiah 66:24 talks about how non-believers will be tormented forever.
"For this is GOOD and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; WHO WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (I Tim. 2:4).
This IS the "desire and good pleasure" of God Almighty, and "My counsel shall stand, and I WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE" (Isa. 46:10) despite what all the clergymen in the world teach to the contrary. They hate, and loathe, and despise these plain and simple declarations of God. But their time is very short. This is just a part of the ‘GOOD NEWS GOSPEL’ that precious few on earth have ever heard or experienced.
earl clay "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" 1 Tim 2:3
Here we see that God is willing to save all mankind. But is he able to do that?
Nothing is impossible to God, for he is almighty.
Do we have a word which says that he is gonna do that?
...him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will Ep" 1:11
Okej, we can read from the bible that God is willing, and he is able, and he worketh ALL things after of hes own will.
But you dont believe that do you?
Iam sure you believe he is willing, and he is able, BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HE WILL DO IT!!
You dont have a clue what you talking about!
Poor miserable soul, may God have mercy on you
earl clay ofcourse, iam taking it out of the context" and you are the one who decides what is in the right context?
You say salvation is a choise, you choose God?
But the word says "You have NOT choose me, but I have choosen you"
Let me think....who should I believe? I think i believe the word.
You say: "he wills everyone saved but he isnt gonan save everyone in fact its quite clear from scripture most will not be"
just what I asumed, he wants to save everyone, he can save everyone, and he will carry out his will, according to the word. BUT HE WILL NOT DO THAT ????
Do you know the word contradiction? And did you know that the script does not have any contradictions? But it's nothing that bothers you, BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT !?
earl clay I have no scripture for my cause? Do you have readings problem? I come with many scriptures that says that he is willing and able, to save and "THY WILL BE DONE"
But you think Jesus prayed i vain.
You dont care if i come whit hundreds of scriptures, "IAM ALLWAYS IN THE WRONG CONTEST!"
Our righteousness are as filthy rags..Isaiah 64:6. On the contrary, Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. Consider Rom4:3 also. Based on scriptures it seems no act can be too good to warrant salvation on the part of humans. Believing in the finished work at the cross is what pleases God not our own works. Ephesians2: 8-9 ...saved by grace through faith...Not of works, lest any man should boast. There you go our works are nothing!!!
Amen brother! Truth hurts but if we don't tell anyone, who will?? That's what we are here for! To preach the good news and to tell the world of what is to come. 🙌🏻
So many People here are so eager to put this message down or to belittle the Faith. Nobody is talking about "worthlessness". No one said anything about people being worthless. Are you all deef? Yes I said Deef! (deaf) lol. The passage is very clear! The Bible also has a Scripture the mentions this frase, "Seeing they will not see and hearing they will not hear". God made it this way so that scripture and revelation of it would not be found by people who could not care less anyway. Folks who have this life all figured out and hate "religion" love to watch video's like this one and act like they have anything to say about it when the real interpretation of the scripture cant even be known by them unless they truly had a sincerity of heart towards the Lord. Again, no one said anything about worthlessness. The Bible is talking about a person or person who may think that they are good or good enough to go to Heaven without actually receiving Jesus as their personal Savior and without the sacrificial blood that Jesus shed to cover the sin. It say's that there is no one who is "Good", no not even one. Good in the sight of the Almighty is not the good that we humans can even comprehend. You could very well be a person of very High worth but you are still not "Good" in God's eyes. What is worth anyway? And why would so many here think that is what Francis is even talking about. People will grasp at anything and say anything to make sure that they never have to give up they're own desires and they're way of life. The fact is that there is a world full of high worth and lovely people, that God loves by the way, that are going to a place that was created by God for Satan and the demons because they have fallen short of the Glory of God! If you disagree with the Gospel and Christians in General, why not just avoid listening and arguing and go live your life of worth? What a shame that there are so many who God loves so, but who will never really hear or understand. Lord help them.
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actually ? the biggest lie told today is I LOVE you .... LOVE is rare this age and day - but many people say it. Too much self destruction and self hatred going around ...... and those who hate themselves ? Can't love someone else. However - they worship others.
wow. great teaching here. May the Lord Jesus Christ bless him and all who believe this message
that was deep... Makes me wonder what the reason or purpose was for me to be born on this world
You were born to love and serve God in this life and be with him the next. Don't listen to this toxic garbage. God called creation good. We are apart of that creation.
You were born to find happiness and leave the world a better place than when you found it. Find something that inspires you and interests you and go with it.
Epicgamer6711 from what seems to be explained in almost all religion. We were born to be punished. Sucks to be alive right?
Epicgamer6711 You were born in this world to be a good neighbor, learn about God, stay away from evil and live forever with God and all His loving and peaceful children. The journey in this world has its ups and downs, but God is faithful. He will never leave you.
+Jose Louise Carlos .. What really sucks is to die without accepting Christ's atoning death for the remission of sin, sin we were all born into. Or as Bob Dylan put it, in his song "Saved", "... born already ruined, stone cold dead as I stepped out of the womb".
I feel like the crux of Francis' message is correct -- we all need a Savior -- we need Jesus. He is the only way to heaven.
However, there are nuances in what he says that I feel may misrepresent the Father's motives and heart. You could easily hear what he is saying and take it to mean that because God is also "a God of wrath", when we sin He turns His wrath on us and is planning to punish us eternally because of how wrathful He is.
I would say that in that situation He still loves us dearly. His wrath is aimed at the sin, not at us. But if we spurn the salvation that Jesus has purchased for us, we are choosing to hang onto the sin in our lives and let it drag us to hell with it. I don't think it's right to equate the devil, the false prophet and the beast with humans in the area of God wanting to punish us eternally. He created humans and said it was very good. Humans are created in His image and likeness. Yes, we will wind up in hell if we don't accept the gift of salvation that Jesus has purchased for us with His death on the cross, but I don't think it's a correct characterization to paint the picture of God wanting to punish us because He is a wrathful God.
I could probably get into more nuance, but I think I've said enough. We need Jesus and are doomed without Him, and He and the Father are both wonderful, and loving, and just.
God's wrath is an extension of his love. If you love your child playing in the yard you are going to hate the snake in the grass that's about to bite him.
If you hold on to your false identity as a sinner, then the love of god will burn you until you, possibly forever.
But there's hope even then:
Ps 22:27 "ALL the ends of the world will remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations will worship before you."
I think the hair to split is regarding what the target of God's wrath is. You could easily interpret Francis' message as saying that people who sin are the target of God's wrath, rather than the sin that is entangling them. I agree with your post, though.
I've heard it said that God hates everything that gets in the way of His love for us. I think that is probably germane to the discussion.
I'm so happy that God has a heart big enough to use his son as a shield for us to block his just wrath. What a good friend we all have in such an amazing lord.
So if I'm not good who's fault is that? Are you saying I am bad by default just by being born ? Say I decided to create a robot which I hard wired to do both good and bad. Robot misbehaves which got me mad that I will now punish it for eternity. Yup makes sense. Are you sure you aren't the one spreading lies ?
Drifter 003 but you're not a robot.....you make decisions on your own, no? Or are you blaming God and others for the choices you have made? By nature (genetically) yes you are a sinner but you are also a sinner by thoughts, motives and deeds. You choose to do evil even when you know that what you are doing is wrong. Everyone has done this. So you are guilty before a perfect and holy God. There is none righteous or good, we all cleave to doing evil. And when we do them, we have absolutely no concern how our actions affect others, ourselves and ultimately the One who created us. Because of this we ALL stand guilty before God. He is right in judging us for how we choose to live our lives, just like a judge is just for sentencing a "bad" (society's standard) person to punishment. Does this person not have free will? Aren't they supposed to be allowed to do whatever they want since this is the country of freedom? Who cares if he kills someone, rapes a person, robs a bank. He has free will! Do you see how detrimental that thought process is. God gave us free will because He wants us to choose wisdom, to choose to want to do right and ultimately to choose to love Him not out of force but out of willfulness. Those who choose evil over the love of God, are in themselves worthless. Why are you sticking around for, to cause more harm to the world, to people? It makes no sense and that is why God is going to get rid of every evil doer.
Btw ..the wages of sin is DEATH ..that is the consequence ..as you can see we are all dying. Jesus came so that you may have eternal life and save us from perishing, if only you would believe n put your trust in Him completely. This is an act of someone who is NOT guilty, as we are, taking our punishment as if they have committed the crime just so that you can go free. You are the sinner, you are the one who chooses to do wrong, Yet Jesus who never sinned died and bore the sins of the world in order for you and I to be freed from Gods righteous anger, which we rightfully deserve. God cleansed the world of wickedness by flooding the earth with water, when He comes back He will cleanse the earth this time with fire, and sin/evil will be no more. If you choose to ignore Gods gift of grace n mercy, and you're caught in your sin, you will be left on this earth n perish in that cleansing of fire. He's getting rid of sin forever, that is the punishment, not that you will be burning forever for fun. Your punishment is eternal, there will be no more of you because you were too consumed in your sin to head to Gods warning.
Jenny Anderson , I used to be christian myself and getting out of the Christian cult is one the best thing I've done for my self. I realized it was all nonsense. I mean how can one not see all the horrible things described in the OT . Murder, rape, incest, slavery just to name a few. Christians ignore those part of the bible and cherry pick whats palatable to them. Just look at the whole christian doctrine. We are all screwed just because the first two people god chose to be in the garden "disobeyed" . Do you really believe a talking snake screwed up all god's plan so bad that he'd have to go for plan B OR is all part of his sick game? That the whole humanity is now deserving of eternal burning in hell? Eternal. Let that sink your head for a minute. Not unless of course he sacrifices himself to himself. Are you telling me that the god you call all knowing did not know humanity would screw up? He didn't know he'd have to drown all humans and animals on the planet minus 8 people and 2 of each animals? All because a snake or the devil whom HE shouldn't have never put in the garden in the first place, fucked up all humanity? Don't know about you but I think that's so goddamned immoral. Consider a situation where a father leaves his toddler in a room with a pistol. He tells him not to touch the gun or he could die. Of course the child doesn't know any better , picks up the gun and shoots himself accidentally. Do you blame the innocent child or the father? The father stood there watched his child die. Of course he couldn't intervene, he loves him so much he can't possible take away the child's "freewill" . Wake up! What you call freewill is ultimatum. Believe or burn forever. Aren't you tired of going through cognitive dissonance? Your bible tells you whatever you ask will be given to you. When your prayer doesn't get answered you say it's not "gods will" to resolve that disharmony in your head. Instead facing the possibility that god doesn't exist , you choose to lie to lie to your self and say "it's not the right time" ,,,"it's not god's will " blah blah . I say why the hell pray in the first place if that's the case.
Drifter 003 I can see just by your response, that you have a personal issue with God. Trust that I wasn't always a believer, used to be just like you. I grew up in a religion, my mom brought me up as a Catholic but I started doing my own thing seeing as my mom was a hypocrite who talked down on certain behaviors that were "ungodly" all the while enjoying partaking in her own sin. That made me question a lot n I hated God because well "why are Gods people so judgmental and hypocritical, He must be the same way." For years I stopped going to church, started drinking, sex, kinda did whatever I wanted to do and it felt liberating to me....at first. Then everything started seeping in, all of this I was doing which were fun, but are temporary. Deep inside I was angry, bitter, suicidal and no matter how much I tried to find true peace, wasn't working for me. By the middle of 2014, It was something drawing me, I all of a sudden started thinking about God but it wasn't til my breaking point in April 2015, I finally opened my mouth n cried out to God out of desperation n brokenness over the way I was living, He finally was able to make a way into my life. Don't get me wrong, I think it's essential that everyone breaks away from their religion, so that they can go searching for love in the things of this world, only to figure out that those things can't satisfy you. That within itself rains true that "no one seeks God and everyone sins and goes there own way."
You have a huge misconception of who God is my friend, n you also have a huge misconception of who we are as humans. We make choices everyday on our own, if we can be quite honest, we can make some very bad and selfish choices. Take a look around you, this world is full of evil messed up stuff and they are all the effects of HUMANS. Humans rape, humans murder, humans lie, humans steal, humans cheat and it is all in our free will that we choose to do these evil things. You call yourself a drone as if you or anybody else do not make choices on their own, as if God is controlling your every move. God gives us options; how will you know what is good without evil, how would you know what is happiness without once being sad. With Adam and Eve, God supplied them with EVERYTHING; He literally gave them everything, they legit lacked nothing and yet in their want to be like God, feeling as if God was keeping them from something greater, they disobeyed Gods one rule. God warned them that they would die, they didn't listen n now we are all dying as a consequence. Satan only presented the idea to them, they ran along with it.
The Bible refers to a serpent as Satan. He's not some big red creature like form with horns lol as most like to paint him. He is sneaky though and very deceptive, I mean he deceived the entire world. You discredit the Bible because they say things like "The serpent deceived them ..." In revelation it speaks about BEASTS arising from the waters people will look at this and think it's literal. Surely someone can read the Bible and have absolutely NO idea what it's truly saying because it's spiritual, you only see it with your bias thinking. Only God who inspired it can reveal to you what's actually being said in His word.
You speak about His omniscience, that He knew beforehand that all of this would happen. That humanity would be deceived n He would have to flood the earth , and all of these things would come with it. Understand that we are created in Gods image, which means He created us with emotions just like Him, He created us wisdom and knowledge, He created us with a conscience against right and wrong which means that EVERYONE knows whether or not they are violating that conscience. God knows the difference between Good and evil and yet He can not sin. We know the difference between Good and Evil and yet we constantly choose to do evil. Why? And why do we glorify doing evil; why do we glorify lying to each other, to killing one another, sacrificing babies etc. We only see a glimpse of what humans are capable of doing, imagine God who sees EVERYTHING, knows our hearts, our motives, He sees what people do behind closed doors, imagine how He feels. He flooded the earth because people were So wicked, and He even warned them FOR YEARS to turn from their evil ways n they still didn't want to out of pride and love for their sins. Like I said in my previous post, He gave us free will so that we would choose to do want to do right, and also choose His love over our selfish needs and actions but unfortunately we don't. God knowing that His own creation would turn their backs on Him, that He would have to come don to reconcile His children back unto Him, that it would be a long pursuit of winning back the very people He created and hate Him says a lot about His good character and not ours. When He gave us free will and didn't create robots, He gambled with His heart knowing that some His own creation would love Him and some will downright hate Him.
As for judgement, God is the very essence of love and because He is love, He's getting rid of the very thing that causes suffering in the world (sin) and all who partake in it. Hell is a doctrine of fear created by the Catholic Church to get you to follow their religion or burn. That's not even biblical. Jesus said " For God so loved the world, He sent his son that whoever believes in Him, won't PERISH (die) but have everlasting life. Jesus did not come to save us from an eternal place of torment because it doesn't exist, He came to give us life and to deliver us from the grips of sin and death. Simple. However, same way He once flooded the earth to get rid of sin, next time He will cleanse this earth with fire and ALL sin, the effects of sin and anyone wrapped up in sin are going to PERISH in it and they will be no more. No more hurting, no more crying because everyone who enjoyed and NEVER felt the need to ask God for help to change will cease to exist completely. Sounds pretty fair and loving to me. As for the Bible condoning rape, murder, incest. Where?? The Bible RECORDED the lives of people, people did these things, that doesn't mean God agreed with the actions of them. The Bible recorded that people were burning their babies and offering them as sacrifices to their idols, and never did God say He condoned it, if anything He punished them for it. Please read in context.
The example I provided is me telling you that God is a judge and there are consequences for our actions. There is no moral outside of God..who makes it up? Do we along the way choose what's right and what's wrong? Thats dumb. A moral standard is already set in stone and that moral is God. Sure, if you want to compare your goodness to those of the world then yes you'll always find someone worse than you, but compare it to God who is perfect, you'll see that you have fallen short. You don't need religion to tell you that obviously, you have a conscience and you know right from wrong but doesn't mean you don't go against your conscience and still choose to do wrong. For that God will judge you also. There are absolute laws that we as humans have all broken before God and there are consequences for breaking them which is death. The purpose of the Gospel is not to turn bad people good and good people more good, the point is to bring dead people back to life. Before God we are all dead in our sin but having faith in Jesus will give us eternal life, a prosperous life, here on earth and eternally. God still being merciful and gracious, pays for our debt so that we can go free and we still don't take it? How stubborn and prideful can we be. What you're really saying is "Thanks but no thanks God, I know that what I'm doing is wrong and is worthy of death n I really just don't care. I don't need your mercy or your grace, I'll just take this punishment on myself" n surely he'll give you what you want, since you think you can handle standing before a holy and righteous God. Even in our disobedience and unbelief in Him, He extends His hand still n we reject it.
I'm sorry that you felt as if your prayers were never answered and I know it's not something you want to hear but a lot of things do happen that we don't understand why. However, your sin separates you from God period, whether it's because you have guilt and shame because of your sin that makes you feel as if He doesn't love you or you just hate Him because of the actions of infallible man. Unless you put your pride aside and humble yourself, you will continue to have misconceptions of who God is. You may view my beliefs in God as brainwash, I mean we're all brainwashed by something lol; you're brainwashed by society's thinking, by a bunch of changeable theories and just can't seem to figure out the truth or why you were even brought here on earth. This world is under the bondage of their feelings, emotions, basically whatever their body tells them to do they do it and ultimately people are under the bondage of death. I find it funny that people fear death n hate the idea of it but run to the very things that end up killing them not only physically but mentally, emotionally and spiritually. Without God people are walking dead men but they think that they are so free. We think we can live a peaceful prosperous life spiritually without involving the very One who gives us this breath to breathe everyday. We think we can work our way to Heaven although he clearly tells us that no one is perfect, no one is good and the only way to Him is to accept Jesus. "Nope, nope but we feed the homeless, we are nice to people sometimes, we donate blood, we really are good. I mean it's not like I murder people like him, or rape people like that scum over there. I might lie a few times here and there, or steal only when I really need to, punch someone in the face if they get on my nerves, but I'm not even THAT bad." Lol but you're still bad tho..How highly and self righteous of us.
Drifter 003 And btw there are bunch of people who are Christians by name and not by action or faith in Jesus. God deals with those people as well, they are called hypocrites because they claim to know Him but their hearts are far from Him. Religious people even killed Jesus so that should say a lot about how God wants to know us personally and not through religion. Religious people are self righteous and a lot of them come in the name of Christianity, doesn't mean that they know God and God is working through them because they even persecuted Him.
Oh yea and the Bible does say ask and it shall be given to you. God is not some Genie who is here to fulfill your wishes, He is a father and the Creator of everything including us. He knows us better than we know ourselves. Sometimes what we ask for is often very destructive for us and He doesn't give it to us, we hate Him. We want a God who thinks just like us, likes the same thing we desire and gives us everything we ask for, but then that means God wouldnt be God, He would be ..well..us. 1. This request isn't speaking to sinners, you need to first reconcile to God in order for Him to hear your prayers
2. "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
“Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Is this what you were referring to? Lol again read in context. He's speaking about receiving the Holy Spirit. Ask and it shall be given to you....
Lastly, As for me, finally coming into the truth of God, finally knowing that I have purpose, that I am not alone and don't need to feel alone because I have father in Heaven who loves me and thought I was worthy enough to die for has given me all of the peace that I need. I am so much more free now that I acknowledge God for who He is and that I'm forgiven for all of the things that I've did prior to knowing Him. Its very much available to you too but you need to un harden your heart towards Him cus He wants relationship with you. You are clearly hurting about something that I don't know about, but He knows, humble yourself and cast your cares to Him, ask for help whatever but don't be bitter toward a God you don't even seem to believe in. He doesn't force himself on anyone, He's just waiting for you to let Him in. God bless you, I hope this helped in some way, whatever questions you have bring them to Him, I can promise you without a doubt, He'll reveal those answers to you. Not through blind faith, I say this through experience because He has done it for me. ❤
Best weapon of a person of religious status, is convincing would-be followers that they are sinners......... think about it.
Absolute power and control....just like their daddy Calvin
Thank you Abba Father for loving me in my brokenness. 🙏💖
Don't believe the wolves in sheep's clothing, they are only to discourage you, make you feel you're never good enough. John14:21 He that hath My Commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me and he that loveth Me Shall Be LOVED Of My FATHER, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him. Psalm84:11 For the Lord GOD is a sun and shield, the Lord will give Grace and Glory, no good thing will He withhold from them that walk uprightly.
One of the scariest Lies that the false prophets and false teachers will teach is that the Ten Commandments were done away with at the Cross, Not true. They know that if you break them you will be left behind and then they can lead you to the One World Religion. It will be a law enforced, and that's the law you are to break, the enemies law.
Actually the wolf in sheep's clothing diminish the Gospel by telling you, you are good. In other words Jesus redeemed people who could be justified by works. That's completely the opposite. If we are good then Jesus Christ is just a foot note to show works not a redeemed who did what we can't. Not only that but at our hearts don't want to-do.
No once saved always saved is real Romans 11:5-6. The misunderstanding is that we choose to be born again by using texts like John 3:16 and John 1:12 out of context. Just saying a prayer doesn't save us. Christ does. Which is very much an act of grace on his part. Yet most ignore that fruit will be produced in a saved life verses continuing to live in sin. We are very much saved by Grace. This is work God does in us Eph 2:7-10 and also Phil 1:6. We do not deserve saving faith nor can we produce this on our own.
So then all Paul says is a lie?
Romans 11:5-6 " 5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Eph 2:8-10 " 8 For by grace you have been savedthrough faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship,created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
Simply put you have misused James to prove our works save us vs Christ's work.
James is saying real faith(which comes from God because of the Grace Christ earned,) is alive and active Just like love.
Phil 1:6 "and I am sure of this, that he(this would be God) Who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ."
Now at this point I must assume that you put more emphasis on the red letters thinking the whole bible isn't as authoritative. Which I give John 5:39 Scripture is about Christ. But if you think your works save you instead of faith let's look at
Romans 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin."
So which is it? Was Paul wrong? And James right? They are both right.
John 1:16 For from his fullness we have have all received, Grace upon Grace.
You think you choose to be born again? John 1:13 and Romans 9:16 say other wise. Want red letters?
John 3:8 the wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going, so is everyone born of the spirit." Add also John and Ezk 36. I will let you read to see if sinful man can work his way into heaven vs God's grace produces fruit in those whom he has chosen to save. All deserve hell. No one deserves heaven, not one.
I will agree there is a heresy being taught and that is just pray this prayer and you are saved. 2 Cor 13:5 tells us to examine ourselves. See God chooses to save some and some he chooses not to save. Another great heresy is thinking we do these works and get to heaven. That also is not true.
Instead those who God predestined according to his foreknowledge he has chosen to be conformed into the image of Christ. Romans 8 in the 20s.
See God isn't up in heaven waiting to see who follows. God is active in the Salvation of his people. God is at work in those whom he has chosen to save.
Stevie Koch actually those are not misunderstood that lead people to once saved always saved. That is actually what scripture teaches. I do not in anyway dismiss obedience to Christ. You will know a tree by its fruit. I am saying(like scripture Romans 11 is pretty clear) you are saved because God chose to save(grace) repentance is an obedient act yet it is granted by God 2 Tim 2:25. Simply put perseverance shows God has chosen to save us.
1 Cor 4:7 For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?"
Stevie Koch this is easy, if God grants repentance, 2 Tim 2:25 God gives saving faith, Eph 2:8-8, and
Romans 9:16 says So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Romans 11:5-6 5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
If you are saved it is by God's grace. You put more emphasis on the red letters when the red letters quote the rest of scripture and are in full support of the rest of scripture. You keep talking about how Jesus never said anything about Grace. How about John 6:44, for starters. Add Ezk 36. God brought you to Christ. In other words it was God's decision to heal you. If that ain't Grace that he would give the Holy Spirit that you may be conformed to the image of Christ then I don't know what is.
Romans 9:11 1 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls-"
If you are truly obedient as you say it's cause God chose you before hand to save you. For his names sake not yours. Its about him, his glory, his love, his goodness. There is none in you apart from the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 " You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him."
You can preach your works all day but you don't choose to born again anymore than you chose to be born the first time John 1:13. As for me I will boast in Christ. Not my works, not my sin. I love him because he first loved me.
This means I obey him because he chose me. Not he chose me because I obey(how did works, work out for the Pharisees)
John 10:26 " but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep."
The cause of them not believing is because they don't belong. If you are saved it isn't cause of your works that's just the proof in the pudding. But what works do you have? Hoses 6:6 and Matt 9:13 show my works.
False teaching he removed the verse from context. If you read further you will see that the verse is making the point we are all sinners by the law but that Jesus redemned us from the law. We are perfect through the blood of Jesus Christ. Romans 3: 19 thru 25 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:19-25 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/rom.3.19-25.KJV
Just beautiful....I'm a good righteous person because of Christ...I don't need some preacher to tell me that
God bless you! May he continue to give you Grace, wisdom and boldness to help bring salvation to the whole Earth.
Calling these beliefs lies, based on nothing but your own beliefs in the truth of the bible (which is written by man and full of contradictions) seems foolish to me. Also your beliefs are an ideology of fear. What is the worth of the struggle to be a good person when it only happens because of the fear of punishment?
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Because UA-cam recommended this to me ( for whatever reason) and I wanted to hear what the guy had to say.
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It might be because I watch a bunch of political stuff and in the US that often intersects with religion. It might also simply be because I recently watched something with "lies" in the title. Who knows. Anyways, I believe it is fruitful to expose yourself to beliefs and philosophies that you don`t share, because it helps you to understand other people and sometimes you even find them to have good points, which causes self-reflection.
Seeric85
You have a really awesome point, why would anyone just do something out of fear? It seems like many Christians are simply motivated by fear of Hell - a lot like other religions, sad... But Jesus actually said that He was a treasure so valuable that we could give up everything just to follow him, and gain much much more in Him! If you watch more of Chan's videos he explains that... Anyway, the bible says we all need Jesus to have eternal life, but it's more about reward than punishment, because having a relationship Jesus is so worth it! Thanks...
Seeric85 I hope you take the time to read this. So what is your belief? We all have a belief. if you choose not to believe it is still a belief. if you believe in nothing, well then where did all the something come from. If you believe in the big bang and then the evolution of species you still have a belief. The thought for me is this. Christians are told at times that we have a blind faith. Now I can understand that statement on it's own. Now to believe in nothing is pretty silly as there is clearly something that must of started it all. Yet still a belief. Then the "wise" people of today say that it was the big bang, or that there was a little ball of something that spun out the universe and so forth. Problem is so many have pulled that theory apart who are non-religious and have showed it has too many flaws. Yet this theory is pushed as truth. But that doesn't even worry me that much. We all have a belief. The thing that makes me wonder is why am I here, what is this all for, and what happens to me when I die? Everybody in some way or another either by science or religion is trying to answers these questions. Truth is we all want to know the answer to this or have thought about it and choose not to give it any more thought as it can really stress you out. For if there is a God, then I need to find out what He wants, what is His deal and I would need to change while I am enjoying the pleasures that this God calls sin. But that is still not what I am trying to get at. We have a blind faith yet I fail to see how. The whole big bang theory or whatever they might be calling it now on a deeper level says, I came from whatever started it all so many billion of years ago. That I am here for no other reason than just pure chance of evolution and when I die I go absolutely no where.
So as a criminal I might spend some time in jail, or I might have had a terrible life been raped and abused. It makes no difference because when I die we all gone and nothing matters. There is no justice for those who have had a terrible life or for the criminals and greedy people who take advantage of the system and abuse people. So if I kill someone it doesn't matter. Sure we can say evolution has evolved us to care and have morals as such. But who decides what is correct moral behavior? I see evolution not as something smart and in fact a greater step of blind faith.
Yes there are bad people who claim to be Christians but actually have no intention of doing what Jesus actually taught. There are bad people period who do evil things period. Joseph Staling did many evils in the name of evolution. So many evil people did so much evil in view of that like Hitler too. Who by evolution believed German people where the superior races. Then you can look at the Christian crusades and point fingers at people who thought they where christian and did many evils in the name of God. That alone doesn't prove that Christianity is not real. it proofs men are evil. Blind faith I don't think so. I believe evolution is a blind faith. We say God created us for a purpose and when we die we can spend eternity with him if we choose Him.
It is not based on fear of punishment. Yes as a good God who has to judge fairly, he must act for justice as well. Suppose you where in court for a crime you never did, and the judge gives you a unfair trail and sends you to jail without hearing your case. Would you call him a fair judge. Now God gives us a free will to chose life or to chose life without Him. That choice is up to you and no one can force you. He provides a way out, what seems so foolish but yet in it is life. He sends His Son to die for our sins offering us a mercy and grace free of charge. We only got to believe. God promises us that no matter what if you believe in Him you are saved. We only have to fear punishment if we going somewhere bad. Now if that same judge had to judge you for a crime you did do, and he provided a way out for you. A way out which means you never have to suffer or go to jail, the question is would you take it? Also you would see that this judge also cares for you. This is what God has done.
But he wants our hearts. He wants you to choose Him as He has chosen you. If he forces you to choose then he hasn't got your heart. Yet we must choose now, for one day it will be to late and God would say I gave you so many opportunities to take my free pardon for your sins. Any man that looks at this world and draws the conclusion that there is no God has allowed his heart to be blinded for the sake of his/her own conscious because what they really want is not to accept there is a God. Because that would mean I would have to change. To change a bad habit for something good is hardly a given up of something. We all want to do good, that is why we believe we not so bad and believe we actually good people. God just wants to give you what you really want and the ability through and by Jesus only to have life and that in abundance.
Will there still be troubles. everyday. My family is a mess, and I have a no easy life even as a Christian. I just have a secure hope in Christ. I sin and make mistakes all the time. Though I know that when I die because I believe in Jesus I will be in a better place. I believe God is God and therefore I have no right as a created human to tell God how He is to ran His creation and what rules He should make. Yet I am sure glad that He showed me Jesus and gave me a pardon because of Jesus. By that I am free to live life without the fear of punishment irrespective of my sins I have done and will do. I do make every effort to live a life that will honor God, but I can only do that by faith and faith alone. Faith in Jesus pleases God. He is a easy God to please. Just believe in Jesus and allow Him into your life and He will do the work in you.
I am really sorry that all you have seen maybe is just terrible professing Christians claiming to know Jesus make true Christianity and what it really stands for seem silly and stupid. I hope this helps you see that there is more, and I ask that you don't judge us by the few wolves in sheep's clothes as we won't judge you by what you think of us. There is so much more to this life than what we see. No true Christian is after your money either. In fact we don't even really care for it. We know you need it to do things with in this life, but it holds no sway on us. People that want your money, I would also tell you to be careful of them. People that say one thing and quickly do another. I would also say be careful of them. In the end it will only be God who judges you. So don't worry about those who make Christianity seem bad for they can do nothing for you.
Cheers
Michael Pretorius
Hey there. I took the time to read through your reply. Let me start by telling you a bit about me and my approach to these matters. I was raised a protestant in Germany and believed in God for most of my early life. I started to have serious doubts around the time I was 15-16 and lost my faith in God. Today I could not tell you what it was in particular that caused this. I remember I went through a phase where I was that typical edgy atheist kid that thinks religion was the worst thing to happen to humanity. I left that behind as well, and today, as an adult, I would rather describe myself as a skeptic than an atheist. I do not believe in easy answers when it comes to the nature of our existence. I do however believe that evolution is a real thing, since it is scientific consensus and can be observed in nature. Obvious examples that are very clear to a layman is the breeding of domesticated animals. Are you aware of the silver fox domestication project that the Soviets started in the 50's? Today we can observe the results of that, with only 50 years of selective breeding causing significant changes in behaviour and appearance of the foxes.
The existence of evolution however does not disprove the existence of a God or in fact the christian God. I do not think less of people because they are religious, in fact, I am a bit envious when it comes to people like you who have such strong convictions. It offers answers to questions that I will probably never be able to answer and makes life easier in general. However I can not lie to myself and start believeing in something that my rational mind is telling me is not true. When I observe the world around me I see nothing that fits the christian myths of the allmighty creator. To me the world around me is chaotic struggle for survival and superiority, were the strong and adaptive thrive. The inherent value of moral behaviour, "being a good person" as they call it, from a distanced view is that it is a human survival mechanism. Forming social bonds is inherently importent for our success as a species. But that is only the distanced view. Being "a good person", being moral and respecting others feels right to me. That is why I strive to be a better person. I am listening to my instincts. On some level I believe most of what we do to be biological determinism, but that doesn`t devalue my actions or me as a person, at least in my own eyes. I also believe in a personal code of honour, but that is a very subjective personal philosophy.
PROOF TEXTING... YOU ARE DISCREDITED.... You evangelical protestants have no clue what you are talking about. You are doing more harm to the Christian people than any other group. In Genesis God called his creation good. Humanity is part of creation. Going by your argument, is no is good than why was Noah saved? Also, there will be a final judgement... not punishment.
Really appreciate the reverence displayed here for God's word
he just wants your money
Liar
Well, I suppose
Cho co he wants to tell you the truth. You saught to discredit him for a great truth he revealed! Is that not a candle light into the darkness of your own heart? Lighting up ur intent that shows you think someone else is filled with evil. That'll make you suffer in a disgusting set of days as long as you don't seek change
Cho co what he saying doesnt feel right and sound logical. Fuck this ugly guy
guy just left a high paying job in the church to start up house churches with little or no pay. Think again about this guy.
Psalms 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, your Torah is truth.
We all fall short... but God's mercy is bigger than our sin. If we're sorry.
So happy to hear a well known pastor preach a full gospel !!!!!!
Every church Ive been to loves trying to spin Roman 3:9-12 and say that this only applies to people who arent Christians yet. There is no context at all to imply this, yet it does more to keep the congregation happy. Thank you Francis Chan for telling the truth about that verse.
God. is good. through Christ we are saved. thanks for the word
Thank God for Salvation through Jesus Christ. It is because of his sacrifice that we don’t have to live with condemnation in our hearts.
The Truth may not be popular, in many cases it is not popular. The Truth is convicting, so I think using the Truth as Francis did is a good thing.
None of us can achieve 100% goodness and righteousness without God and faith in Christ, no works can completely satisfy God, when we have faith in Christ, we satisfy God. Righteousness is nothing we can achieve ourselves, we need God. This is my take on everything, God bless all of you!
This is so true. We are all sinners that is why we cannot judge other people. Self righteousness makes us judgemental and this is the truth. If we could embrace this fact, we could all understand the benefit of God’s grace.
The severity of God makes me love Jesus all the more!
Yessssss Francis !!! Speak truth ! Thank you Jesus 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
The truth will set you free!
That is why we follow Christ and seek and teach forgiveness and salvation from our Father and His Son.
So true! Hell is being filled up with "good" people. Thanks for having the courage to preach the hard truth.
everyone needs to hear this! its so so true. biblical. I thank God that Francis gave us this messaage.
This is the truth and all humanity are scared to admit that we are all fallen beings. The sooner we all admitt this fact daily, the sooner we will fall on our knees and ask for the true forgiveness Christ has to offer, the sooner people will be truly saved and not wear a Christian mask in our blind pridful society. I am preaching to myself also. Thank you Pastor.
Amen,Amen,and AMEN ! I am a man in need of a Savior everyday.Jesus Christ is LORD to the glory of God!
Francis Chan is real, he not only talk, he does the walk. He's not like 90% of the TV preachers who preach what you find in baby diapers.
Amen my friend thanks for preaching the biblical gospel and not the worldly gospel.🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
As a Quaker I admire all you have done to simplify your life and give to the poor. But also as a Quaker I believe that there is that of God in each of us
Nobody is perfect we need help. God gave us a gift of hope.
One of the best and most truthful videos on YouYube.
Well done, Francis. Your ministry is blessing us in Brazil.
I get where he's coming from, but this video is clearly leaving people confused about their worth and identity. People already know that they've done bad things (sinned) but that doesn't identify us as sinners. We were lost sons and daughters, and God got us back through Christ to be filled with the spirit and walk like Christ. I went through a season of depression with the mentality that I was a "bad person", until God showed me my value and purpose. I was created to shine and love others like Jesus. He do not give us a spirit of fear but of boldness.
God is faithful He doesn't change. we need to be stronger in Yeshua's Name
I'm thankful for Jesus Christ. He took it for me. My works won't save me. I love Jesus Christ.
Reminds me of Ray Comfort (of Living Waters) doing open air preaching at the Santa Monica pier. It's so true. LOVE Francis Chan!!!
Preaching all that Gospel, Rev. Chan. #praise
Thats why we have to do what we came here to do spread his love to the world
Grateful for His grace
We are only righteous through Jesus
I found this and very encouraged about your word Francis. Amen and Amen, WE need to hear this more to sober us into truth!!
can never thank God enough for *Jesus* have already justified us