Data center with a smoking power supply.

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  • Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
  • Smoke from a hot power supply caused an HFC-227 discharge. The smoke didn't represent a failure of a component.

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  • @leonardmilcin7798
    @leonardmilcin7798 3 роки тому +1990

    I was once in our DC when a technician was working on some power lines and he made a mistake and disconnected power from entire datacenter. It went from "I need to shout to communicate with the guy standing at arms length" to "I can hear a pin drop on the other side of the room" in 3s. I will never forget the sound of tens of thousands of fans and hard drives spinning down. The last thing you hear is the actual air moving for a second more.

    • @aeronerd22
      @aeronerd22 3 роки тому +171

      no backup power???

    • @javaguru7141
      @javaguru7141 3 роки тому +207

      "The last thing you is the air moving for a second more." Wow, that's an awesome description. I can almost imagine the sound.

    • @leonardmilcin7798
      @leonardmilcin7798 3 роки тому +237

      ​@@aeronerd22 He was supposed to isolate backup power to be able to continue his operation (replace part that was faulty). We also had two independent external power lines and power generator (the backup power only meant to survive until generator spins up). He messed up switching between all possible configurations and caused momentary situation where nothing was connected to the DC.

    • @awesomestuff9715
      @awesomestuff9715 3 роки тому +71

      @@leonardmilcin7798 around how much data was lost and/or money(or profits) because of that?

    • @leonardmilcin7798
      @leonardmilcin7798 3 роки тому +261

      @@awesomestuff9715 A bank was down for an entire day. The guy who made the mistake was fired within half an hour.

  • @CFSworks
    @CFSworks 3 роки тому +624

    "The smoke didn't represent a failure of a component."
    Man that's like the hardware version of "it's a feature not a bug"

    • @SpeakingMath
      @SpeakingMath 3 роки тому +7

      That was the fire surpression

    • @SpeakingMath
      @SpeakingMath 3 роки тому

      Suppression

    • @ra_alf9467
      @ra_alf9467 3 роки тому

      It just work

    • @anon6975
      @anon6975 3 роки тому +1

      @@perfumedmanatee6235 Yes. As per the description, HFC-227 was discharged.

    • @Toothily
      @Toothily 3 роки тому +24

      The smoke is at the start, then the suppression is triggered after. I’d very much like to know how smoke could be _not_ a component failure.

  • @theothersteve
    @theothersteve 3 роки тому +1301

    Thanks to the algorithm, here I am... I'm not disappointed.

    • @will16320
      @will16320 3 роки тому +8

      Hello data center video algorithm!

    • @nemanja2131
      @nemanja2131 3 роки тому +6

      @General User U I don't think my neighbor watches this :)

    • @armaganboi
      @armaganboi 3 роки тому

      yeah.

    • @rrittenhouse
      @rrittenhouse 3 роки тому +2

      @General User U This sounds a little nutso but in this day it would not surprise me even if it were true.

    • @adrianrubio408
      @adrianrubio408 3 роки тому

      Amen!

  • @nullerrno
    @nullerrno 3 роки тому +638

    At lest we know the fire suppression is working.

    • @gingermcferren6989
      @gingermcferren6989 3 роки тому

      Yeah, maybe the power supply smoking is a normal test of it.

    • @nullerrno
      @nullerrno 3 роки тому

      @@gingermcferren6989 only way to be sure

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 5 місяців тому

      Some light power supply smoke is always normal - it's just burning off the oil from manufacturing /s

  • @tcpnetworks
    @tcpnetworks 3 роки тому +330

    I was in a room when a 227 system discharged. I lost my hearing for about 6 weeks...
    Also had blood coming from my eyes and nose. PRessure difference was huge.

    • @reahs4815
      @reahs4815 3 роки тому +91

      That's insane, glad you made it

    • @AxelWerner
      @AxelWerner 3 роки тому +55

      maybe thats why there is a delay between warning with light and audio signals and the discharge, so one can LEAVE THE ROOM then, as signs at the doors and everywhere recommend to do usually.

    • @AxelWerner
      @AxelWerner 3 роки тому +73

      ​@@glitter_fart the delay is for you do CLEAR THE ROOM INSTANTLY.

    • @jrcarlsen
      @jrcarlsen 3 роки тому +62

      @@glitter_fart But you'll still be alive and have your hearing.

    • @guy872
      @guy872 3 роки тому +68

      Sounds like a poorly designed system. If the system was properly engineered it should take into account the peak pressure generated by the release and add room vents if it needs them. Ideally your peak pressure should say under 250 pa which is no where near a pressure to cause any sort of damage to hearing, let alone bloody nose/eyes. I inspect these systems for a living and have been in one room when an accidental discharge happened. Besides almost having a heart attack I was completely unharmed.

  • @JeandrePetzer
    @JeandrePetzer 3 роки тому +474

    This is how it should be done. RIP OVH Strasbourg

    • @crt0512
      @crt0512 3 роки тому +48

      OVH is one big pisspond of a server provider

    • @almostanengineer
      @almostanengineer 3 роки тому +19

      I was starting to wonder why this came up in my feed, likely because I watched stuff to do with OVH

    • @actassii6362
      @actassii6362 3 роки тому +7

      they wouldve had this fire suppression but it was too late or the fire took the panel out

    • @ScaredDonut
      @ScaredDonut 3 роки тому +11

      except this server room is the size of a bathroom. OVH is huge

    • @kenchilton
      @kenchilton 3 роки тому +18

      @@ScaredDonut Some data centers create small halls just for this sort of problem. Isolating environmentals like power, cooling, access control, networks, and fire protection increases security and availability at the cost of flexibility.

  • @1d10tcannotmakeusername
    @1d10tcannotmakeusername 3 роки тому +514

    PSU's like "fuck this shit imma take a smoke break"

    • @mem1428
      @mem1428 3 роки тому +25

      going to have to use that in one of my service reports, "a critical failure caused the power supply to take an emergency smoke break"

    • @yesdotwmv
      @yesdotwmv 3 роки тому +5

      Underrated comment

    • @yoshiguy35
      @yoshiguy35 3 роки тому +1

      @@mem1428 does it happen often?

    • @mem1428
      @mem1428 3 роки тому +2

      @@yoshiguy35 not too often, but the components that are designed to fail when something is wrong do make a lot of smoke

    • @onlybazhar
      @onlybazhar 3 роки тому

      @@mem1428 nice pfp

  • @pquodling
    @pquodling 3 роки тому +183

    Once outside a computer room with old CO2 suppression - tech was doing some soldering and triggered the gas - I had just left, and was the only one that realized he was in there. Took a deep breath and ran in and grabbed him by the back of his shirt and dragged him out.
    Another time another place - inergen gas was incorrectly installed, there was an alarm, middle of the night, no one on site, so the Fire Brigade triggered it - the pipes had filled with water, and so sprayed a mist of rust all over the computer room. That was a $45M fix.
    Same Customer, new Data Centre - insisted on a gas release trial before moving equipment in - there were "bleed valves" in the wall, but not enough - the force of the gas blew over an existing interior wall.
    But the classic was a company that had a very old refurbed building - it had once had overhead sprinklers, there was now a false ceiling, and gas - there were regular power outages so they switch to running totally on standby generators, which we in an outside area (which had overhead sprinklers - which turned out to be on the same circuit as the computer room. One of the generators threw a rod, burst into flame - the sensors triggered and started the water dousing of the generators, and of course, the computer room - fortunately the power had died, and the false ceiling held it back for a little while (but not long enough...)
    It is not a matter of if a disaster will happen, but when.

    • @AureliusR
      @AureliusR 3 роки тому +2

      Sources?

    • @proehm
      @proehm 3 роки тому +7

      Another variant on selective gravitation (A falling object will land where it can do the most harm.)

    • @jacksongill8880
      @jacksongill8880 3 роки тому +7

      Story number 4, so there was a deluge system that covered the room and generator? Normally it would be wet (sprinkler heads have to individually go off when the little glass vial breaks) or pre action (smoke tells panel to activate a valve that fill pipes with water then the little vial has to break) having a deluge system that was set up like that seems like a HUGE oversight on so many levels.....

    • @cameronbelfield1363
      @cameronbelfield1363 3 роки тому +3

      @@AureliusR what a boring comment

    • @jonathanbuzzard1376
      @jonathanbuzzard1376 3 роки тому +1

      There is supposed to be a strict safety protocol where there fire suppression is not on automatic when people are in the data centre for that reason. You turn it off before stepping inside, and turn it back on as you leave.

  • @TexElec
    @TexElec 3 роки тому +501

    I was working in a datacenter forever ago protected by halon, and we had a contractor doing some work on the main door. He was using a saw to cut the door to the datacenter wider, so we could add a double door. I was working on a server while he was sawing, and I heard this really weird alarm I'd never heard before. It wasn't the fire alarm, so I thought, huh, that's weird. Then, the strobes started going off, and I remembered, 30 seconds to halon! I sprinted across the data center and took a flying leap at the halon abort button, and I swear, 2 seconds later it would have been this all mess all over! BTW, we didn't cut the power in our system either, but the mainframe doesn't go down! :-)

    • @procast
      @procast 3 роки тому +121

      Maybe a voice warning would be better rather than just random beep sounds.

    • @lucasimark7992
      @lucasimark7992 3 роки тому +56

      darn... I was working on fighterjets and nothing stressed me so much out than working on that 6kg halon container...

    • @NikHYTWP
      @NikHYTWP 3 роки тому +49

      Is there an actual risk if you're in the room when the halon gets discharged? Like is it enough to suffocate you?

    • @charmio
      @charmio 3 роки тому +69

      @@NikHYTWP Definitely lethal but VERY effective. Hence why it's only used when there is no other solution. It's also used in boat engine rooms (water sinks boats and gas is guaranteed to get to the source of the fire unlike water).

    • @lucasimark7992
      @lucasimark7992 3 роки тому +57

      @@NikHYTWP Yes, it will suffocate you, especially those server room extinguishers.

  • @billmoran3812
    @billmoran3812 3 роки тому +272

    Damned expensive power supply. The cost of that fire suppression system dump could buy a whole rack of servers.

    • @angryjoshi
      @angryjoshi 3 роки тому +8

      nah, they usually cost about 1k

    • @alexsiniov
      @alexsiniov 3 роки тому +19

      Refill for that amount would be around 5-6K USD per discharge

    • @Foxerofficial
      @Foxerofficial 3 роки тому +21

      @@alexsiniov In Poland it's around 10k$ per bottle so it's arond 10k$ x 6-8 bottles

    • @whatevernamegoeshere3644
      @whatevernamegoeshere3644 3 роки тому +1

      @@angryjoshi Halogenated hydrocarbons tend to cost an arm and a leg. Even the stuff used for air cons go for 500-800 a tank

    • @danm4320
      @danm4320 3 роки тому +5

      @@alexsiniov Cheaper than losing a whole DC or rack

  • @AureliusR
    @AureliusR 3 роки тому +126

    "The smoke didn't represent a failure of a component." Uh, pretty sure it did. Power supplies, at least the ones I've worked with, don't emit smoke under normal conditions. So at least one component failed.

    • @proehm
      @proehm 3 роки тому +40

      Smoke is the magic ingredient that allows electronic components to work. If the smoke gets out, the component stops working. (I think they may have meant that it was insulation on a wire or transformer smoldering as opposed to electronic components.)

    • @Eyetrauma
      @Eyetrauma 3 роки тому +23

      Look at this dude, too good for a wood-burning PSU 😊

    • @jblyon2
      @jblyon2 3 роки тому +10

      @@Eyetrauma Weak. Real PSUs run on coal!

    • @jonny6702
      @jonny6702 3 роки тому +11

      Perhaps he worded it improperly, and meant that it didnt result in the failure of the servers hardware? Servers usually have redundant PSUs, and a semi-intelligent circuit to stop using one of them if the voltage drops or spikes too much.
      I'd wager he meant that the PSU failure didn't destroy the system - it probably didn't even power off the system and they were able to replace the PSU without powering down at all.

    • @OrchidAlloy
      @OrchidAlloy 3 роки тому

      @@jblyon2 factorio

  • @Syed_Safeer
    @Syed_Safeer 3 роки тому +57

    Plot twist: The algorithm is trying to let us know that it might be in problem

  • @videoscrapheap
    @videoscrapheap 3 роки тому +210

    We had a contractor’s manager started to walk out of the brand new data center without using a card key which set off an alarm. Apparently that happens often enough at their office that they installed an alarm cancel button just inside the door. So out of habit he reached in around the door jamb and hit what he thought was the button to silence the alarm. The problem was that, at our data center, the button at that location was an EPO. Everything went silent except for the alarm. I happened to be next to the building engineer and he looked around then said, “I don’t have a procedure for this yet.”

    • @bigpatrck2
      @bigpatrck2 3 роки тому +42

      I worked for a company with a brand new data center about 20 years ago. A security guard making his first set of rounds pushed the big red button by the exit door, thinking it was the door release. Yep, it was the EPO. The big red button had a clearly labeled cover over it the next day while the techs were trying to get all the servers back online.

    • @isaachlloyd
      @isaachlloyd 3 роки тому +48

      @@bigpatrck2 not his fault, poor design and placement.

    • @Wheeze_NL
      @Wheeze_NL 3 роки тому +24

      @@isaachlloyd The reason these things happen? Everyone now uses red buttons for everything, like door-opening. We should only have them for EPO and other scary stuff, so you know you should only press a red button when shit is hitting some kind of fan right?

    • @NicholasHoward
      @NicholasHoward 3 роки тому +12

      @Will.J emergency power off

    • @roadent217
      @roadent217 3 роки тому +8

      One would think an EPO button would be behind emergency glass, like.a fire extinguisher or some fire alarms.

  • @jameshogge
    @jameshogge 3 роки тому +120

    That psu failure became a whole lot more expensive when the 227 discharged!

    • @FuskyTheHusky81
      @FuskyTheHusky81 3 роки тому

      how much would it cost to get a system like that recharged?

    • @nrs135
      @nrs135 3 роки тому +7

      @@FuskyTheHusky81 Thousands to tens of thousands depending on the number and size of the tanks that dumped.

    • @FuskyTheHusky81
      @FuskyTheHusky81 3 роки тому

      @@nrs135 wow, I never even could of imagined!

    • @Jehty_
      @Jehty_ 3 роки тому +1

      227?

    • @tubastud06
      @tubastud06 3 роки тому

      @@Jehty_ HFC-227. Fire suppressant. Google it

  • @Strongit
    @Strongit 3 роки тому +54

    I always wondered what this looked like. I worked in a data center/storage area at my last job most of the day and they were pretty adamant that you couldn't even take your coffee in with you.

    • @dariusEMPEROR
      @dariusEMPEROR 3 роки тому +7

      dafuq? take food and drink inside of the Datahal??

    • @Strongit
      @Strongit 3 роки тому

      @@dariusEMPEROR yeah, sounds weird but they had a workbench and some desks set up in there for people to image computers and do some hardware work

    • @CFSworks
      @CFSworks 3 роки тому +2

      @@Strongit I'm trying to think if any of the DCs I've been in had their workbench areas circulating the same air as the servers - if they did I just didn't notice.
      In what country was your last job? And was it a public or private DC? (If you can share that.)

    • @Strongit
      @Strongit 3 роки тому +1

      @@CFSworks it was in Canada for a power company. They didn't adhere to any IT standards at all and were the reason I left the industry

    • @CFSworks
      @CFSworks 3 роки тому +1

      @@Strongit Haha I was debating whether to ask whether it was a "real" DC or more like a glorified closet, but then I thought "Nahhhh they're following 'real' IT practices if there's a fancy halon-type fire suppression system" but it sounds like they were really all over the place.
      Thanks for sharing! :)

  • @mryo-yobzh9485
    @mryo-yobzh9485 3 роки тому +42

    Someone from OVH should have taken notes back in 2017, this system seems way more efficient than having nothing else than manual portable extinguishers to suppress the fire.

    • @LachambredeNico
      @LachambredeNico 3 роки тому +5

      I know someone working at OVH. He told me that OVH had always done they're own things regarding data center cooling, protection ... It show, they didn't have anything planned for fire I guess. I wonder how it will worked out with insurance since they didn't complied with regulations. Let's see it will be fun

    • @kowalskidiazdegeras9190
      @kowalskidiazdegeras9190 3 роки тому +1

      OVH seeing the fire supression blizzard" "I have to get one of those"

    • @tehcmn
      @tehcmn 3 роки тому

      OVH do have a GFSS (I've colo'd with them), but for whatever reason it wasn't triggered.

  • @andreas7136
    @andreas7136 3 роки тому +68

    The strobe lights together with audible alarm means: You have 30 s To leave the room before the CO2 flooding will occur.

    • @AureliusR
      @AureliusR 3 роки тому +19

      Not CO2 -- halon.

    • @Aeduo
      @Aeduo 3 роки тому +10

      Glados gives you more time than that, and they were actually trying to kill. :p

    • @guy872
      @guy872 3 роки тому +8

      @@AureliusR Yea it is not Halon either. The description says it is HFC-227 which is more commonly known in the industry as FM-200.

    • @GeneralChangFromDanang
      @GeneralChangFromDanang 3 роки тому +2

      @@guy872 Heptaflouropropane

    • @FennecTECH
      @FennecTECH 3 роки тому +8

      @@GeneralChangFromDanang Its neat how adding a few atoms to something can turn propane into something thats good at putting out fires

  • @SapphireGladeComics
    @SapphireGladeComics 3 роки тому +6

    That is and will always be my number of fear. Something that gets way too hot and starts to smoke and leads to fire. Hasn't happened yet, but I am aware of that risk being a technician in a data center for 7 years.

  • @maxoverridemax
    @maxoverridemax 3 роки тому +66

    Must have been trying to install printer drivers on a Linux machine.😞

  • @sverrirdaiorarinsson5671
    @sverrirdaiorarinsson5671 3 роки тому +52

    Rule number one: Don't have a UPS at the same place as the hardware. Been there, done that

    • @james1234168
      @james1234168 3 роки тому +8

      Isn't that how the OVH fire started a few weeks back. Pretty sure they had a new ups in the rack catch fire

    • @cyberprog
      @cyberprog 3 роки тому +5

      They are usually in seperate rooms. They are *big*. The first Rule number one is have a DR environment in a geographically seperated location.

    • @blackbackLP
      @blackbackLP 3 роки тому +2

      @@james1234168 I think they had maintenance done to the failed unit a couple of days before. In addition to that, they didn't had any kind of fire extinguisher system. Also they had wooden flooring and UPSs in the same room as the servers ...

    • @james1234168
      @james1234168 3 роки тому +3

      @@blackbackLPwood and data center should never go together.

    • @AgentOffice
      @AgentOffice 3 роки тому

      I think Google had batteries on every motherboard

  • @jovanjanevski3747
    @jovanjanevski3747 3 роки тому +22

    "The smoke didn't represent a failure of a component."
    A success of a component?

    • @Pipe0481
      @Pipe0481 3 роки тому

      Well, the fire suppression worked successfully

  • @ElEscolta
    @ElEscolta 3 роки тому +18

    What working at Aperture Science the day GLaDOS was turned on must have look like.

  • @IskeletuBr
    @IskeletuBr 3 роки тому +12

    My boy lives in a universe where smoke coming out of an PSU isn't a component failure lmao

  • @poopoopeepee4827
    @poopoopeepee4827 3 роки тому +135

    “Alright, who decided to run Minecraft at max render distance with shaders on again?”

    • @blenderbachcgi
      @blenderbachcgi 3 роки тому +1

      😛

    • @nono-oz4gv
      @nono-oz4gv 3 роки тому

      256 render distance
      +
      bsl shaders

    • @xyz8460
      @xyz8460 3 роки тому

      8K realistic texture pack + Ray Tracing if you want to feel the heat of the sun

    • @nono-oz4gv
      @nono-oz4gv 3 роки тому

      @@xyz8460 *my computer in a nutshell but only when i do anything*

  • @ryans413
    @ryans413 3 роки тому +7

    Reminds me of resident evil games. A bio hazard threat been detected in sub level 4 activating virus protection spray.

  • @MrFurriephillips
    @MrFurriephillips 3 роки тому +3

    I can’t tell you how much I was hoping to see a frantic NOC techie, run in, pull the PSU & leave with it like a GhostBusters trap!

  • @SteelHorseRider74
    @SteelHorseRider74 3 роки тому +2

    I worked approx 20yrs with such equipment - luckily I never ever had to see such an event where the fire extinguishing system was triggered (we had overtemp due to all AC units failed, tho). Thanks for sharing.

    • @computernerdinside
      @computernerdinside 3 роки тому

      Does overtemp cause shutdowns, or throttles?

    • @SteelHorseRider74
      @SteelHorseRider74 3 роки тому +1

      ​@@computernerdinside They have built-in temp sensors and vendor-set thresholds - and the functionality which triggers a shutdown at a specific temperature w/o any special setup by admin; not sure if all vendors are on this technology step already, tho.

    • @carsten.hamburg8771
      @carsten.hamburg8771 3 роки тому +1

      @@SteelHorseRider74 All the common vendors support this, Dell, HP, Supermicro etc. You usually add SNMP Traps on top of that so you get alerted at certain thresholds before systems actually trigger a shutdown. You then have a chance to intervene before losing data.

    • @SteelHorseRider74
      @SteelHorseRider74 3 роки тому

      @@carsten.hamburg8771 this might be the case, indeed - I am no longer looking after these things since ages now;

  • @simonbaxter8001
    @simonbaxter8001 3 роки тому +10

    We had Halon discharge in an electronics lab overnight due to a faulty sensor. The outlets were about 3ft up the walls with a screw thread type nozzle on for gas distribution. The force of the discharge destroyed 2 benches, 10's of thousands of £ of test equipment and lifted all the antistatic floor tiles in the majority of the room. Lucky it didn't go off during the day! The system was subsequently removed and replaced with appropriate (dry powder) fire extinguishers.

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 3 роки тому +2

      Surely that’s not how a halon system is intended to operate?!?

    • @simonbaxter8001
      @simonbaxter8001 3 роки тому +7

      @@tookitogo No, it's not, that's the point!

    • @computernerdinside
      @computernerdinside 3 роки тому +1

      @@simonbaxter8001 So not just the sensor was faulty, but the discharge was faulty/incorrect as well, causing damage?

  • @MRIPETCTSupportEngineer
    @MRIPETCTSupportEngineer 3 роки тому +1

    No Smoking Inside the building. AI is no exception!

  • @TheJchulce
    @TheJchulce 3 роки тому +26

    I'm surprised that this system didn't perform an emergency power off when the suppression triggered. As far as I know that's the way that things are supposed to be done. Cutting the power to everything in the room is critical to stop electrical fires, and it will also help to stop the spread of smoke and resulting damage.

    • @alexanderkupke920
      @alexanderkupke920 3 роки тому +26

      That is not exactly how data centers work. Data centers most times are designed to contain possible fire through suppression systems instead of shutting everything down. Some systems even discharge in multiple steps. Other systems reduce the oxygen content all the time, so that it is practically impossible to develop open flames. Shutting down, or even partially shutting down is only a last resort if all other steps fail.

    • @sintheticgaming
      @sintheticgaming 3 роки тому +19

      In a data center environment EPO is usually the VERY last resort. I know the datacenter I work in has a multistage fire suppression system, and the EPO is the last resort sequence and so far it has never needed to be engaged and we have had several smoking power supplies over the years lol.

    • @AugustusTitus
      @AugustusTitus 3 роки тому +1

      Fire suppression trips the HVAC. HVAC trips the UPS EPO. Everything always goes down.

    • @alexsiniov
      @alexsiniov 3 роки тому +5

      @@AugustusTitus It does not. Vent sucks out FM200 gas in 30 seconds after discharge and everything just goes on

    • @adlerweb
      @adlerweb 3 роки тому +1

      Really depends on the environment. Depending on your systems it is cheaper to let the building burn than to risk a second of downtime.

  • @nomusicrc
    @nomusicrc 3 роки тому +5

    I like how it stopped smoking after the fire alarm started cool fire suppression system

  • @Gollammeister
    @Gollammeister 3 роки тому

    Very effective halon extinguisher system fills room nicely

  • @PorkandBeans
    @PorkandBeans 3 роки тому +1

    "The smoke did not represent the failure of a component"
    I see, this was deliberate smoke

  • @scottgage9541
    @scottgage9541 3 роки тому +46

    Aw man somebody let the smoke out of the power supply. Do you know how hard it is to get it back in. LOL

    • @wsketchy
      @wsketchy 3 роки тому +2

      Dude, the electrons are stored in the magic smoke! How will it ever work again?!?

    • @JJGeneral1
      @JJGeneral1 3 роки тому

      my buddies and i always called it the "magic blue smoke". why is it magic? because once it's out, you can't get it back in!

    • @tyronenelson9124
      @tyronenelson9124 3 роки тому

      @@wsketchy Its not just electrons that are in the smoke it is also the soul of wherever the magic smoke came from.

  • @narcoti
    @narcoti 4 роки тому +39

    How does the smoke not represent a failure? Power supplies don't normally smoke...

    • @jkanetzky
      @jkanetzky  4 роки тому +49

      The source of the smoke was not from a component failure but rather a dab of silicon grease on a hot voltage regulator. The engineer said the grease was likely from the manufacturing process. You could see the glazing of the heat sink where the grease sitting. These servers have been running in PSU failover mode and the secondary PSUs were not activated. Right before this smoke event the data center switched from "A" power to "B" power causing the unused PSU to power up fully. All of the power supplies where tested and check and they passed QC again.

    • @lo2740
      @lo2740 3 роки тому

      @@jkanetzky mmh, "regulator" in a switching power supply? there is tiny LDOs but only for the power supply control circuit (so few mA).

    • @ickipoo
      @ickipoo 3 роки тому +14

      @@jkanetzky - that doesn't sound right - silicone grease doesn't boil until about 200°C (let alone smoke), and nothing in your power supplies should be that hot. It is a lot more likely an electrolytic filter capacitor failed - these are notorious troublemakers, smoke profusely, often without visible damage, and there can be a number of these in parallel for packaging and performance reasons. If this is the case, the failure of one will not stop the supply from working, although it will result in more ripple on the output, and there may be debris and electrolyte (urea) in places you don't want it - the supply should be replaced.

    • @plainedgedsaw1694
      @plainedgedsaw1694 3 роки тому +2

      @@ickipoo it's more of an evaporation of electrolyte than smoke. Not sure if this would trigger the extinguisher.

    • @ionstorm66
      @ionstorm66 3 роки тому +3

      @@ickipoo Yeah no grease should be smoking at operating temperatures inside a PSU. Only thing that could cause smoke like that and not be a failure would be a giant glob of flux. If a PSU made it though QC with that much flux, I'd find a different manufacture though.

  • @rich1051414
    @rich1051414 3 роки тому

    The smoke didn't represent a failure? What component off gassed that much from heating up, but wasn't a failure?

  • @MeltEmber
    @MeltEmber 3 роки тому

    All I want to know is how big that popped capacitor was. And also why it's not considered a failed component...

  • @bmoulas
    @bmoulas 3 роки тому +2

    I'm surprised that the power wasn't automatically cutout as part of the fire suppression efforts. When I toured the AWS facility they showed us the fire suppression system and the big 'switch' that is tripped to shutoff power going into the section that is on fire.

    • @keco185
      @keco185 3 роки тому

      Might've been but I'm sure all the racks have backup power. And it's possible no one has developed a rapid automatic shutdown sequence for the servers.

    • @bmoulas
      @bmoulas 3 роки тому

      @@keco185 I can only speak about what I saw at the AWS facility. There were no UPS's in any racks, the datacenter as a whole had three battery rooms, power from the utility was fed from two different sub stations and their generators were turbine based. They started one for us, it was like being at an airport, same startup noise.

  • @lurkersmith810
    @lurkersmith810 3 роки тому +4

    "The smoke didn't represent a failure of a component."... As a Field Engineer, that sounds like sales speak to me, or vendor denial through legal gobbledegook. Generally, when speaking of any electronics other than smoke machines for movies and clubs, smoke does, in fact, represent a failure of a component. I'm sure the power supply that "didn't fail" was replaced, right? I just noticed the date, but my statement was as true in 2017 as it was in 2021 when this video was suggested to me.

  • @lorenzo42p
    @lorenzo42p 3 роки тому +3

    that was a waste of a discharge. rip environment. I thought they had multiple stage detection before it discharges the fire suppressant? like detecting smoke sets off the fire alarm but doesn't discharge suppressant until heat from a fire is detected?

    • @guy872
      @guy872 3 роки тому

      First off if you are worried about the environment I would be getting onto all the refrigeration leaks that cause over 90% of HFC release into the atmosphere. Clean agent releases account for less than 1% so while yea don't go dumping systems whilly-nilly it is not nearly as big of an impact as refrigeration leaks.
      About the cross zone, no most systems are a cross zone of 2 smoke sensing devices. Industry standard used to be a cross zone between an ion detector and photo detector. Now that ion detectors are no longer being produced it is typically a cross zone between 2 photo electric detectors. Some systems use air aspirating detectors which can give you very early warning it is not that common of use in cross zoning.
      If we were to wait for the fire to get big enough to set off a heat detector then you are going to have so much damage to the equipment it's not funny. The whole point of these systems is to go off early in the fire stage. The smaller the fire the more likely it will be put out by the system. Remember with clean agent you have one shot to put the fire out. Once the system dumps that is typically all you get until first responders arrive. The other reason you want it to go off early is these systems are designed to prevent as much damage as possible to the equipment.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 3 роки тому

      Ours would sound the audible and visual alarms and light the stage 1 annunciator when one smoke detector tripped. It would light the stage 2 annunciator when a second smoke detector string tripped and start the 45 second countdown. Each time you hit the abort button it reset the count to 20 seconds.

  • @tpcdude
    @tpcdude 3 роки тому +9

    I was in a halon discharge .. the night datacenter guard was playing with his gun and it discharged .. so did the halon .. when your inside a discharge you cant see shit or the door. when the mist cleared there were punched cards blown ever where .. that was the real recovery disaster. Circa 1975.

    • @jamess1787
      @jamess1787 3 роки тому +2

      And you were able yo breathe?

    • @RingingResonance
      @RingingResonance 3 роки тому

      @@jamess1787 Probably held their breath long enough to get to the door.

    • @tpcdude
      @tpcdude 3 роки тому +1

      @@jamess1787 You have no trouble breathing in a Halon dump, but you have to get new underwear.

  • @joytech23
    @joytech23 3 роки тому +17

    "The smoke didn't represent a component failure" um what? A SMOKING PSU is a pretty good indicator of something eating shit lol I definitely wouldn't be re-using or relying on that component in the future.

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 3 роки тому +4

      Right?!? If not a failed component, then what? A successful incendiary device within?

    • @themaddog9202
      @themaddog9202 3 роки тому +4

      @@tookitogo silicon grease on a hot voltage regulator.

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 3 роки тому

      @@themaddog9202 Ah, makes sense!

  • @overnightdelivery
    @overnightdelivery 3 роки тому +1

    At first I thought the flashing lights were because of electronics arcing due to failure. Then learned it was a warning for releasing those chemicals. Man it would hurt to lose all that money over one power supply failing.

  • @selder1235
    @selder1235 3 роки тому

    For people who don’t know what the tons of fog was liquid nitrogen and it cools down the entire room enough so they can find the problem and fix it. Some more modern data centers have special sensors that automatically turn it on.

  • @michael931
    @michael931 3 роки тому +8

    The thing wasn't even smoking anymore when the suppressant was released. I would have just gone and looked at it.

    • @vavra222
      @vavra222 3 роки тому +5

      My guess is that there is an intentional delay and a sound warning so that people can get out and not suffocate.

    • @computernerdinside
      @computernerdinside 3 роки тому

      @@vavra222 Or if someone is in there and the alarm hits, if there's no fire, you can run for the nearest abort button to disarm it.

    • @Null--
      @Null-- 3 роки тому +3

      @@vavra222 Halon (Which suffocates people) is not used anymore except in installations where there is no alternative. When its used, its because a small flask of Halon can provide protection for a relatively large area, compared to newer gasses which need more gas and thus a lot more room. So the weight of flasks is an issue. A normal datacenter where weight and the size of flasks is not an issue, will be protected by a newer gas consisting of for example of Nitrogen, Argon and Carbon dioxide. The Co2 is detected by your brain and makes you compensate your breathing so you still get enough oxygen. It's still recommended you leave the area, but its unlikely to kill you.

    • @jacksongill8880
      @jacksongill8880 3 роки тому

      @@vavra222 227 wont suffocate you unless it hits extremely high temperatures. There is a delay after 2 detectors activate (varies depending on location) to allow you to hit the abort... but if no one hits the abort...

  • @Dawstering
    @Dawstering 3 роки тому +1

    Cool vape trick bro

  • @destroyingangel7480
    @destroyingangel7480 3 роки тому +1

    "Your data will be secure on the cloud"
    The cloud:

  • @ToasterBrain
    @ToasterBrain 3 роки тому

    I was watching this and my external HD cause a powerfailure and my PC shutoff. Thanks for that...

  • @flywithanon9018
    @flywithanon9018 3 роки тому

    Have you asked the power supply to stop smoking or not smoke in the room?

  • @CZghost
    @CZghost 3 роки тому

    I really hope these guys had number of backups and this wasn't the only server room.

  • @Just_Moh_it
    @Just_Moh_it 3 роки тому +9

    Man's got some balls.. Verified with 40 subs..!

    • @guiAI
      @guiAI 3 роки тому

      damn you're right

    • @RWL2012
      @RWL2012 3 роки тому +1

      verified...?

    • @haydensimpson02
      @haydensimpson02 3 роки тому

      If he was verified, he isn’t now

    • @guiAI
      @guiAI 3 роки тому +1

      @@haydensimpson02 for me he still is

    • @haydensimpson02
      @haydensimpson02 3 роки тому

      @@guiAI huh this is weird

  • @bertiesworld
    @bertiesworld 3 роки тому

    Maybe I've lost the plot but what is the point of discharging anything if the source of the problem isn't shut down automatically. From what I see everything was still running when it cleared.

  • @hotwhells20
    @hotwhells20 3 роки тому +1

    We had the FM200 in my old job... Awesome setup too!

  • @AresFHD
    @AresFHD 3 роки тому +2

    my brain during math exams

  • @mr.0x373
    @mr.0x373 3 роки тому +1

    Smoke alarm:haha servers go brr r
    Also Smoke alarm:wait
    *Whoosh*

  • @foco5657
    @foco5657 3 роки тому

    I love how the fire alarm goes off instantly but when my whole school is on fire it doesnt sound

  • @madxenomorph
    @madxenomorph 3 роки тому

    A few years ago I walked into the datacenter to do a walkthrough and saw a cloud of smoke. One of the fans in a server violently ate itself, smelled wonderful. The other day, I thought about that incident and I wondered why didn't any of the fire alarms go off? In less than 5 minutes the AC system took care of the smoke, so I know it had to go past at least a few sensors. We have ceiling sensors and under floor sensors (where we route the airflow), and not a single one went off. I think I am going to mention this to the datacenter supervisor.
    (Praise algorithm!)

    • @apcyberax
      @apcyberax 3 роки тому +1

      you should have air sampling in your air handling units. Then if the AC pulls in all the smoke it triggers as well

    • @warlockd
      @warlockd 3 роки тому +2

      @@apcyberax Could be they had heat sensors. You don't want to drop $5000 in gas if a ps eats a fan. I have seen one center have IR cameras to detect spikes in heat.

  • @calewetzel8629
    @calewetzel8629 3 роки тому +7

    when you try loading your minecraft world

    • @x5nash870
      @x5nash870 3 роки тому

      but it loads smoke

  • @TheBypasser
    @TheBypasser 3 роки тому +2

    "The smoke didn't represent a failure of a component." Well, in this amounts it comes from either a transformer trying to self-desolder (frying the PCB for sure), or some capacitor guts - so it is a component failure ;)

  • @lucakrupar3912
    @lucakrupar3912 3 роки тому +1

    Oh wow a data Centre with a smoking power supply

  • @sensesimply724
    @sensesimply724 3 роки тому +1

    Can we destroy youtube data center by watching it 24/7 simultaneously by every human in this world?

  • @Spiegel_
    @Spiegel_ 3 роки тому +2

    *Pov: you lost connection to your match*

  • @ovalwingnut
    @ovalwingnut 3 роки тому

    My e-Machine had this option but it was a bit too pricey. Nice job on the center, guys! Cheers

  • @note2tee
    @note2tee 3 роки тому

    Data centre when power down, is it not just like starting a pc by a power button push? Or u still need to reconfigure when power up

  • @enoll218
    @enoll218 3 роки тому

    POV: you try to play a video in 8k on your ancient school computer

  • @Aomicplane
    @Aomicplane 3 роки тому

    "The smoke didn't represent a failure of a component" what does that mean?

  • @rahtaro
    @rahtaro 3 роки тому

    Glad the suppression system kicked up, I was worried for a second there

  • @warlock479
    @warlock479 3 роки тому

    I wasn't expecting the title to be literal

  • @yash7623
    @yash7623 3 роки тому

    I've ever seen the first guy having 182 Subs with a verified tag, Awesome Dude

  • @therealjammit
    @therealjammit 3 роки тому

    I remember the halon days. The flashing lights and warning siren were there to warn you to get out before you suffocated.

  • @STATESZ
    @STATESZ 3 роки тому

    didnt the water thingie ruin more components tho?

  • @joeydehart3429
    @joeydehart3429 3 роки тому

    Was that dense fog a halon fire suppression system?

  • @squaller9254
    @squaller9254 3 роки тому +1

    Now I know how my Mac feels when I open chrome

  • @blasius7704
    @blasius7704 3 роки тому

    *One PSU started smoking*
    Solution: Destroy all the computer in the room💁

  • @guillaumegaudin694
    @guillaumegaudin694 3 роки тому

    Nice, I did not know about this non destructive fire suppression method !

  • @HarryL2020
    @HarryL2020 3 роки тому

    Did it flood the room with CO2?

  • @DanKolis
    @DanKolis 3 роки тому +3

    Argon would be a fine choice too. No unanticipated fire is fun you know. Interesting choice to leave power up after an event like this. Sooner or later anything burning out, burns up I suppose, might as well leave the rest going

    • @DanKolis
      @DanKolis 3 роки тому +1

      Add some capacium in there so nobody no matter how unable to read signage would stay in the room. Just a teeny bit does it, really active ingredient... plus the fragrance used for Nat gas is familiar to people, they have all sniffed it once in a while, know if means "bad leak of something"

    • @actassii6362
      @actassii6362 3 роки тому

      fire needs 3 things to light and burn: oxygen, heat/spark, fuel the gas you seen displaces the oxygen and starves the fire. also necks you if your near

    • @alexsiniov
      @alexsiniov 3 роки тому +1

      @@DanKolis usually in a critical datacenter PDU shut down damaged psu by socket before fire occurs. That's what monitoring system is for :)

  • @kennyd6152
    @kennyd6152 3 роки тому +1

    With all these data centre shutdown recommendations, I wonder if the algorithm is trying to say something..?

  • @psirvent8
    @psirvent8 3 роки тому

    Does anyone know about the OVH fire in France ?
    (Fun fact: This data center was located in a building made of wood and last but not least there was absolutely no fire suppression system at all !)

  • @rjacob03
    @rjacob03 3 роки тому

    So i count 35 seconds between first strobe (at 0:40) and release of 227 (at 1:15). Is 30 seconds the norm or is the timing off?

    • @jonathanbuzzard1376
      @jonathanbuzzard1376 3 роки тому

      Would be the norm to let anyone in the room get out. That said you should not be in the room with it on automatic for health and safety reasons.

  • @SenkJu
    @SenkJu 3 роки тому

    That power supply sure is smoking

  • @brunodonascimentomaciel9984
    @brunodonascimentomaciel9984 3 роки тому +1

    The algorithm is asking for help.

  • @akisalmenaho8473
    @akisalmenaho8473 3 роки тому +1

    That was an expensive $10 PSU.

  • @SendLead
    @SendLead 3 роки тому

    So much for EPO!
    was that Halon, Inergen, FM-200?

  • @eformance
    @eformance 3 роки тому +1

    Uhh, smoke is not fire, I would expect these to be 2 stage systems that don't discharge until there is a confirmed temperature source -- just like sprinkler systems don't magically go off because of smoke.

    • @computernerdinside
      @computernerdinside 3 роки тому

      Well, these systems are designed to kill fires in their early/smoldering stages, since you only get one shot. Once the HFC dump happens, that's pretty much all you got until first responders arrive. Not to mention the less damage the better. Plus data center equipment can be warm by nature, so confirming a fire by heat alone in the early stage is not at all easy. It's cheaper to discharge HFC than burn data.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 3 роки тому +2

      Smoke generally means fire. And you want the fire out before the equipment is damaged. Waiting until a rack is fully engulfed is far too late.

    • @computernerdinside
      @computernerdinside 3 роки тому

      @@stargazer7644 Exactly. That discharge is all you get until first responders arrive, so you gotta kill it quick.

  • @GAGONMYCOREY
    @GAGONMYCOREY 3 роки тому

    How is this dude verified?

  • @Schrasma
    @Schrasma Рік тому

    thats why i would always make a check run with a thermal image camera every day... usually this stuff starts slow... KI could help here too i think....

  • @cptcrogge
    @cptcrogge 3 роки тому +1

    Can someone send this to OVH?

  • @nooobcoder
    @nooobcoder 3 роки тому

    That might have costed millions. Ouch!

  • @JROrg2009
    @JROrg2009 3 роки тому +2

    Data centers / electronics DID release Halon or HFC-227...Some foolish areas release water or wet foam.

  • @peterfitzpatrick7032
    @peterfitzpatrick7032 3 роки тому

    In the description it says there was no component failure... so what was the smoke coming from ? 🤔

    • @themaddog9202
      @themaddog9202 3 роки тому +2

      OP said it was silicon grease on a hot voltage regulator.

  • @officialnickname
    @officialnickname 3 роки тому

    Why not first of all cut the power on the units?

  • @undefinednotfound
    @undefinednotfound 3 роки тому

    what data center was this?

  • @lemonade5540
    @lemonade5540 3 роки тому

    security camera footage of ovh’s datacenters at strasbourg :

  • @Keepit10011
    @Keepit10011 3 роки тому

    Gordon Ramsay: Shut it down!

  • @captaindishman9126
    @captaindishman9126 3 роки тому

    Dear UA-cam data center, blink twice if you need assistance. Sincerely, A man that can't do anything for you. PS: This is the wrong way to ask for help.

  • @HardTrancid
    @HardTrancid 3 роки тому

    Wow I'd be concerned... Is that a redundancy thing!?

  • @TexasRailfan2008
    @TexasRailfan2008 3 роки тому

    Power supply: haha halon go whoosh

  • @EmrecanOksum
    @EmrecanOksum 3 роки тому

    Scarier than most horror movies

  • @jcpt928
    @jcpt928 3 роки тому

    "The smoke didn't represent a failure of a component." - I'd say smoke from a power supply would be considered a component failure (imminent or otherwise, direct or indirect).