I don't get why people freak out about orochis. They are pretty much free light parries. And there's plenty of other characters that are a lot more OP.
@@tripnibs5984 well it's annoying facing against a hero that can spam a move that would be difficult for some players to handle you might can handle it but most people cannot. Storm rush is annoying to deal against.
Man I REALLY hope these upcoming “kit improvements” for LB revolve around giving him more light presence in his chains. His double light chain on the test server for his most recent rework felt so nice for his kit and then when they released him to live he just didn’t have it anymore, forcing him to feel clunky still as he can only chain a heavy from that light, giving him a really stiff flow. Allowing a simple double light chain would be HUGE as it saves time and stamina on having to to light into heavy feint into light.
@@shadowofthehitokiri5787 for sure. Like if they really wanted to help him, they’d give him a light, light, heavy chain, giving him another option to get into his unblockable mixup, but I genuinely would be happy with just a double light so I don’t have to just awkwardly throw out one light at a time and stare my opponent down.
@@Psn.HerCake_MyFacethe buff is extraordinarily minimal. However, the rework that he’s getting in the next update will hopefully be the real save and grace for LB
To keep uniqueness we don't wanna give lawbringer a roll catcher he desperately needs. Anyway we are giving warmonger a mixup she doesn't need and only warden had.
I feel like lawbringers roll catcher should be pretty easy to do. Just like afeera and now sohei have unique effects depending on the direction of the attack, they can make his dodge forward top heavy a roll catcher, and keep the other directions to be recovery cancelable.
orochi nerfs: 32 to 27 damage, backstep lights cancelled, dodgeattacks no longer undodgeable, bash cant be spamed and as devs has done: make targetswitching dodge attack spam more punishable
I see the jj buff to counter bashes... But they slowed down his zone attack so that the enemy can parry it even after a failed bash.... And you cannot faint it.... And it costs 1/3 of your stamina.....and you cant do anything else after entering the sifu pose.....
Varangian guard main problem is her unblockables being so good in ganks maybe lower the hit box? Or make it less powerful? Since its the only unblockable that can pin you and hit your teammates in the same time the only one who have such pin is glad who is very hard to open with and his pin only target 1 person not the whole team, for orochi this nerf was not useless but needless you will nerf him again because the first nerf didn't adress the real problems witch are his recovery and storm rush
dude wtf are these lawbringer “buffs” it quite literally changes nothing in the grand scheme of things. these guys are on crack dude. they need to buff his bash it’s too slow to be used from neutral WHICH IS FINE but they need to give it I frames at the beginning of the animation. he’s the counter attack character and he has practically nothing for bashes. his bash is the answer for countering enemy bashes but it’s too shit to do consistently. you should be able to i frame other bashes. this would instantly make him good. then finally just give him a roll catcher. he will be complete
The roach nerfs aren’t that crazy to be real but they are reasonable but there are gonna be more because ppl will keep crying about him and eventually he’ll get nerfed into the ground I personally think if u still struggle with roach 8 years in it’s on you nobody else
Here's a good nerf. Revert all changes and make the roach require skill again. For Lawbringer bring back the pike on parry and 30 damage unblockable heavy with hyper armor and a roll catcher and can we please for the love of God give conq a roll catcher! Give Varangian the lawbringer rework treatment and make require a brain or at least remove the stun on full block and maybe the heavy pin afterwards. Maybe.
Maybe I can understand old gen for honor players struggling with orochi, but anyone with a decent pc or new gen console shouldn’t have issues like that lol
@@HateIncarnatebecause people are supposed to get better the longer they play the game so it becomes easier for noob stompers to not be noob stompers anymore. For example: Nobu. New players struggle against her because they can’t parry or block lights but once they get the hang of it, she’s so trash in 1v1s. Now imagine two veteran players and one of them picks Nobu. That’s why the game needs and should be balanced around top players.
As someone who was playing varangian I can confirm that I thought I was dumb or something because I couldn't land my top heavy and when they blocked it I felt cheated out of a win because i was always one top heavy from the win
orochi with his 0 hp trying to fight up against tank meta in for honor with 9000 hp and more damage than him with less punishable moves than orcohi. and now they trying to nerf orochi for being the only skilled champion in the game?
@@veganism_is_superior fair point on damage with that being said as far as bash spam they already nerfed the kick slowed it down and lowered the recovery but this is a problem across the board for all heroes it’s just always been popular to hate on orochi since day one all heroes have there bs to them that takes skill to see through and take advantage of honesty the only broken hero left is hito I don’t care either way it’s fun to beat players with under powered heroes anyway just more bragging rights keep the nerfs coming it’s not that deep lol
@@TheBlackKratos504 Thats opinion and your entitled to yours, as well as I am mine.i can deal with the HaHa dodges but on console his light spam is super fast and annoying..Kensei kit is way more powerful than most for the amount of guessing you have to do if you face someone that’s competent with him and his hit boxes are ridiculous.If all you opponent does is his typical dodge then he’s a walk in the park. Increase frame rate might help, but for me, his lights are instantaneous.
Orochi did not need these nerfs and struggling against Orochi is a skill issue. These developers are just plain dumb and do not have the priority to make the experience enjoyable. What about balancing Hitokiri, Varangian, and all the hyper armor helicopter attacks that happen in Dominion? Improving current matchmaking is the biggest issue. There are still feats like Last Laugh that need addressing, and they bring these changes as balance updates in months. Playing this game is so stressful and these devs just make it worse. I am so done with this game now, all this loop of the same thing is getting boring.
@@PrajwalKarki-y1s I was very clearly only responding to one thing you said, also the game will never be perfectly balanced, people like you will always complain about something
2017: we are nerfing Orochi
2024: we are nerfing Orochi
Every nerf for him is good nerf
As a orochi main I’m not complaining to much. These nerfs to me are ok 👌
Rep: 64 as of now
Keep crying lil bro
As if it isn't warranted? Lmao
Good
wow law bringer does an extra 2 damage biggest buff ever
They made his redundant move minusculely better ffs this is comical
At least he got a confirmed rework for next season🙏🙏🙏
@@vincenzopolimeni3561REALLY???? YES
@@vincenzopolimeni3561hell yea!
@@vincenzopolimeni3561HE DID!? YESSSS!!!! Finally my boy will be useable again
Not the Orochi mains claiming "Skill Issue" cause their character is getting small nerfs.
Well I mean when you're so used to being carried by your hero of course they're going to be upset about it 🤷
- hito player@@death-thresh9548
I don't get why people freak out about orochis. They are pretty much free light parries. And there's plenty of other characters that are a lot more OP.
@@tripnibs5984 well it's annoying facing against a hero that can spam a move that would be difficult for some players to handle you might can handle it but most people cannot. Storm rush is annoying to deal against.
@@tripnibs5984 you know nothing 😂
Man I REALLY hope these upcoming “kit improvements” for LB revolve around giving him more light presence in his chains. His double light chain on the test server for his most recent rework felt so nice for his kit and then when they released him to live he just didn’t have it anymore, forcing him to feel clunky still as he can only chain a heavy from that light, giving him a really stiff flow. Allowing a simple double light chain would be HUGE as it saves time and stamina on having to to light into heavy feint into light.
I agree, the triple light was unnecessary but the double light was good.
@@shadowofthehitokiri5787 for sure. Like if they really wanted to help him, they’d give him a light, light, heavy chain, giving him another option to get into his unblockable mixup, but I genuinely would be happy with just a double light so I don’t have to just awkwardly throw out one light at a time and stare my opponent down.
Before quitting FH i was hoping to get a nerf for orochi specifically and a buff for LawBringer at the same time 😂
You call this a buff? Yea get outta here
@@Psn.HerCake_MyFacebetter than what we had before idk why you tryna front
@@Psn.HerCake_MyFacethe buff is extraordinarily minimal. However, the rework that he’s getting in the next update will hopefully be the real save and grace for LB
@@Psn.HerCake_MyFace probably a roach main🤣
For honor. The good ol' 5 month wait for a bug fix trademark.
As a LB main this is useless
As a depressed LB main I agree
To keep uniqueness we don't wanna give lawbringer a roll catcher he desperately needs.
Anyway we are giving warmonger a mixup she doesn't need and only warden had.
cope lol Warmonger needs the open pressure, any good player can light parry her
womp womp
@@Kosmos7535 she only has a feintable unblockable dodge attack with massive I frames ontop lol, I say this a warmonger main. Skill issue
Womp womp
It's not a varangian buff it's a bug fix
That‘s what a varangian player would say…
@@ArkhalisTheOne HAHAHAHA yes I hate VG, even more so when it's 2v1 she always bothers you like a shinobbi ganking you
Varangian enjoyers are the same ones who forced for honor to nerf ocelotl the first week he came out
@@big_meech8653 And would ya look at that, ocelotl is still one of the best duelists in the game
I feel like lawbringers roll catcher should be pretty easy to do. Just like afeera and now sohei have unique effects depending on the direction of the attack, they can make his dodge forward top heavy a roll catcher, and keep the other directions to be recovery cancelable.
orochi nerfs: 32 to 27 damage, backstep lights cancelled, dodgeattacks no longer undodgeable, bash cant be spamed and as devs has done: make targetswitching dodge attack spam more punishable
So for jj does that mean he can dodge opponents attacks with situ stance while they are mid combo.
they did say that exactly in the stream yes
thank you for the orochi nerf jeez was waiting for awhile for this
Lol 16 damage up from 15. That's like almost a singular minion hit
The chance of that ever affecting the outcome of any fight is astronomically fading
I see the jj buff to counter bashes... But they slowed down his zone attack so that the enemy can parry it even after a failed bash.... And you cannot faint it.... And it costs 1/3 of your stamina.....and you cant do anything else after entering the sifu pose.....
Varangian guard main problem is her unblockables being so good in ganks maybe lower the hit box? Or make it less powerful? Since its the only unblockable that can pin you and hit your teammates in the same time the only one who have such pin is glad who is very hard to open with and his pin only target 1 person not the whole team, for orochi this nerf was not useless but needless you will nerf him again because the first nerf didn't adress the real problems witch are his recovery and storm rush
varangian need no nerf
I feel like orochi didn’t need a nerd anybody who struggled against him was just a skill issue
The bright side is, they gave our Lawbringer a small buff while we wait for his upcoming rework
Lol orochis storm rush was the problem, not his heavys. Theyre gonna nerf him again because of it and hes gonne be shit.
Just light him outta it lol
@@uselessman4066 .. and get light parried.
Low skill players really do be playing a different game huh.
@@CringeConsultant
Make the read
@zorro8027 oh dang really? *play the game* ? who would have thought of that!?
@@HateIncarnate
Attitude and snarky remarks for what amounts to a worthless reply. Sums up the FH community nicely.
Bro just make storm rush not undodable or make it a light parry if you parry it
Nearly no buff for the Law Daddy 😢 Make Lawbringers Great Again
dude wtf are these lawbringer “buffs” it quite literally changes nothing in the grand scheme of things. these guys are on crack dude. they need to buff his bash it’s too slow to be used from neutral WHICH IS FINE but they need to give it I frames at the beginning of the animation. he’s the counter attack character and he has practically nothing for bashes. his bash is the answer for countering enemy bashes but it’s too shit to do consistently. you should be able to i frame other bashes. this would instantly make him good. then finally just give him a roll catcher. he will be complete
He needs hyper armor for at least his heavies and flip move. If not just make them faster. It’s ridiculous how they treat my mans .
He's getting a rework
Hyper armor on every heavy on startup like Sakura
@@thesharinganknight I would think thats kinda fair, he’s slower then absolutely anything so he’s gonna get parried regardless
These minor ass nerfs but if yall were having issues with blocking a heavy after a kick you legit need to take reactionary classes because aint no way
VARANGIAN BUFF??? HELLO!?
So did the devs forget about Valkyrie
Valk is still really good though, no need for changes.
She’s banned in tournaments lol she does not need a buff
The roach nerfs aren’t that crazy to be real but they are reasonable but there are gonna be more because ppl will keep crying about him and eventually he’ll get nerfed into the ground I personally think if u still struggle with roach 8 years in it’s on you nobody else
Yeah... I'm not coming back.
Bye
✌️
Sums up the fh community...
YESSS, I CAN FINALLY MOVE OUT OF THE GUTTER!!!
I play orochi and i have to say i dont rlly mind it
NEXT NERF HITOKIRI 🎉🎉🎉
When they nerf Orochi to the ground again I'll star playing again. I would like to see if people will still cry after losing to him.
Once again some of the worst lawbringer buffs I’ve ever seen. Just give him his rework already. And give him impaling charge after heavy parry again
Here's a good nerf. Revert all changes and make the roach require skill again. For Lawbringer bring back the pike on parry and 30 damage unblockable heavy with hyper armor and a roll catcher and can we please for the love of God give conq a roll catcher! Give Varangian the lawbringer rework treatment and make require a brain or at least remove the stun on full block and maybe the heavy pin afterwards. Maybe.
No nerf vg not surprised.. and kensei is at the bottom of the barrel under all the garbage never to see the light again.
YEEEAAHHH
Maybe I can understand old gen for honor players struggling with orochi, but anyone with a decent pc or new gen console shouldn’t have issues like that lol
Well like 80% of the player base is on console so 🤷. Tbh why the balance the game around reaction gods with 3000 dollar pcs I'll never understand.
One of the biggest mistakes the devs have made@@HateIncarnate
@@HateIncarnate yeah but with current gen consoles parries are easy
@@HateIncarnatebecause people are supposed to get better the longer they play the game so it becomes easier for noob stompers to not be noob stompers anymore. For example: Nobu.
New players struggle against her because they can’t parry or block lights but once they get the hang of it, she’s so trash in 1v1s. Now imagine two veteran players and one of them picks Nobu.
That’s why the game needs and should be balanced around top players.
Please fix lawbringer
As someone who was playing varangian I can confirm that I thought I was dumb or something because I couldn't land my top heavy and when they blocked it I felt cheated out of a win because i was always one top heavy from the win
A nerf for berserk in this match of mix up intensive characters is interesting …
nerfed orochi into the ground cause the community can't block. hilarious
I can't stand when people have to clear their throat every 10 second just to sounds a certain way.
Just talk normal for f**k sake
Ive been playing Orochi since day 1 when he was no where near as good
Why berserker zone nerfed like that? 😂 Like, why? 🤣 I swear devs are dum dum 🤪
Ok cool so lawbringer still sucks. 😢
They nerf every character I use! Shinobi,berskerk,orochi like dang!
orochi with his 0 hp trying to fight up against tank meta in for honor with 9000 hp and more damage than him with less punishable moves than orcohi. and now they trying to nerf orochi for being the only skilled champion in the game?
Us ocelot mains are sitting in the corner starving🙂↕️
Man they need to do something for Aramusha users I’m tired of this shit 😂😂
Struggling against orochi is a skill issue bro
You could say “Skill issue” for any hero, just because a move CAN be avoided doesn’t mean it does not need a nerf.
Struggling against Highlander is a skill issue
I’m glad they nerfed him maybe people will stop crying now I doubt it it tho lol
he needs few more nerfs. damage should be 27 instead of 32 and no bash spaming
@@veganism_is_superior fair point on damage with that being said as far as bash spam they already nerfed the kick slowed it down and lowered the recovery but this is a problem across the board for all heroes it’s just always been popular to hate on orochi since day one all heroes have there bs to them that takes skill to see through and take advantage of honesty the only broken hero left is hito I don’t care either way it’s fun to beat players with under powered heroes anyway just more bragging rights keep the nerfs coming it’s not that deep lol
Yeah 32 to 30 damage is a joke. Characters like roach, aramush, and kyoshin have absolutely no place throwing 30 damage heavies.
Having struggle against Orochi is a skill issue 😐
Litterery the most op hero ever created what are you talking about
@@Tammy_1222 "most op hero ever created" nah bro you just suck
Maybe a Lawbringer, but you’re trippin w orochi
Playing orochi is a skill issue tbf
Playing orochi is the skill issue lol
Nooo shinobi buff!
That's a funny joke 😂
💀😂
Shinobi needs a buff
@@Swavae why?
No he doesnt
Kensei needs a dam nerf not orochi
There is literally nothing wrong with kensei😂
WHAT 😂😂😂😂😂
Kensei isn't even close to be as good as orochi
Orochi is OP
Kensei side dodge is annoying
@@TheBlackKratos504 Thats opinion and your entitled to yours, as well as I am mine.i can deal with the HaHa dodges but on console his light spam is super fast and annoying..Kensei kit is way more powerful than most for the amount of guessing you have to do if you face someone that’s competent with him and his hit boxes are ridiculous.If all you opponent does is his typical dodge then he’s a walk in the park. Increase frame rate might help, but for me, his lights are instantaneous.
@@Swavae and it literally has no guard break vulnerability.
Orochi did not need these nerfs and struggling against Orochi is a skill issue. These developers are just plain dumb and do not have the priority to make the experience enjoyable. What about balancing Hitokiri, Varangian, and all the hyper armor helicopter attacks that happen in Dominion? Improving current matchmaking is the biggest issue. There are still feats like Last Laugh that need addressing, and they bring these changes as balance updates in months. Playing this game is so stressful and these devs just make it worse. I am so done with this game now, all this loop of the same thing is getting boring.
The same way you think facing orochi is a skill issue, so is facing Hito
Womp Womp
@@nucleartitan_2722The point here is balance for characters, feats and matchmaking. You can think what you want.
@@PrajwalKarki-y1sorochi player detected. oh no now you have to develope skill to win😢. dumb orochi scum
@@PrajwalKarki-y1s I was very clearly only responding to one thing you said, also the game will never be perfectly balanced, people like you will always complain about something
Do NOT nerf Orochi into the ground bruh come on.
Game would be better without orochi players tbh
@@ProjectRAVID yea no get outta here kid.
NO MORE PUB STOMPING!? 😢