100% right on servers. One day its great other day is crap. But how come that the majority of players feel the same crap at the same time? EA need to fix the servers for once. Its always been bad. This week its just un playable again.
Possibly because it's TOTY and the game averages at about 102k concurrent players right now on PC alone when before TOTY it was 70k max. I imagine its worse on console.
Nep. It's not just connection. If you play with 4 controllers OFFLINE with the boys, you'll get input delay. The same inconsistent gameplay happens OFFLINE too. Something has been inherently wrong within the game's code for years.
How would servers being overloaded effect AI defending. How would it make TOTY Vini Jr slower than gold Gabriel (own experience). Shouldn't it effect their players too? Make it make sense.
thank you people are so dumb saying players adapted and can defend now tf you mean adapted in 1 weak? And how does that explain 70 pace gold cbs catching up to my Mbappe and defensive line is so much narrower now.
Think this is also shown by the FC Pro live games this week and last week, the amount of goals in each game even at that level in comparison to previously clearly shows the lack of any secret patch
Players adapting to the patch has nothing to do with the fact that slower defenders can catch up to faster attackers again. Quickstep and Rapid are back to being placebos again.
Well put together & very fair points Neppo, BUT..... You're telling me 85-95% of the player base has suddenly adapted to the new defending? I'm personally not buying that....
If it’s a shadow patch or servers, either way something is up. There were so many instances over this weekend league where my players glitched, legit ran away from the ball when I was dribbling, and players felt like they had 20 pace. It was just weird to sit and play when before the weekend, the gameplay was smooth as butter
I agree servers play a part but from my perspective there has been some sort of live tuning take place. They have done live tuning with no download in the past and I think there was a buff to ai defending. I’m not pro level but am in elite with 976SR. Around 2k games played on FC25. Up until Sunday whilst the servers were busy, player switching and manual defending was important. I am now finding I’m being blocked and tackled regularly by ai controlled defenders. It’s in EA’s interests to do this, as a smaller skill gap directly equates to more spending in the store. Pre Sunday you could have toty vvd vs adeyemi and adeyemi would burn him with vvd acting like no more than a cone when ai controlled. Now the cb’s are functioning close to as well as can be achieved by controlling them again on their own. The reason I say doing this was in EA’s interest is that if I can beat you easily regardless of what cb you have, there is no reason for you to go to the store and chase packs. With the ai doing the job for you, having toty vvd over Konate makes a difference regardless of who’s hands he is in. A lower skill gap game suits the majority of the player base and ea as it’s more pay to win. Appreciate the video and ability to read the comments. Super interesting debate. Hope all is on the up with your dad and keep up the good work. Peace. ✌️
They have already did a live tuning update that didn’t need to be downloaded in the same way as a normal patch. It nerfed ‘first time’ powershots and contested headers. So saying it hasn’t happened because it simply cant be done is nonsense.
@@ScariestMovieScenes I don’t think the AI has been completely overhauled. I never said it has. But… the game has felt different 100%. I feel like shooting, passing and pace has been tweaked. Overloaded servers don’t explain why shots are hitting the post way more often, delay surely wouldn’t have any effect on that whatsoever.
Nep still stepping on egg shells around EA 😂 it’s your connection. If you experience rebounds, your players suddenly become slow in the second half and you need make 5 tackles in a row to win the ball. Reset your internet and check your connection 😂
The problem is that every game you play is different, so its really inconsistent gameplay, one game they are «good» and then next game they are in the «mudd» but it always seems like my opponents never has this issue from my POV And then you have games where everything goes against you, every bounce is always somehow in the opponent feets, and when you actually get trough opponents defence his keeper makes the most miracle save ever..
That all comes down to connection, every game your connecting to a different person / Area / Location in terms of that game. if they have a better connection than you do to the server it makes a massive difference
Its confirmation bias. You opponent will have the same difficulties but maybe in different games to you due to connection being different. And bounces goes your way to, you just dont “mark them in your brain” when its not against you.
"but it always seems like my opponents never has this issue from my POV" Oh trust me, sometimes i score 3 goals in 10 minutes and i know it's because EA wants me to win, not because im actually much better.
Idk.. everyone i play has 451 & park the bus w counter. The mids make a whole other line in their box & they just counter w pace. That's literally ALL I play against it's ridiculous
@ScariestMovieScenes running style isnt logical in real life, we have all witnessed gareth bail run off the pitch and round players guess why he done that, cause hes faster at sprinting than other folk, so when my cb with 80pace keeps up with him in the game its utter rubbish. They have added pace to defenders so that people dont play low depth style games its the only reason
Nep, all you need to do is spent like 5 minutes and learn that EA can't patch but can apply live tuning and buff/nerf features within online gameplay. I am not saying that it happened, but making 18 minutes video on fully denying this possibility is not a good thing.
As soon as the patch change and I was getting slapped, I changed my players to players with rapid and quickstep plus switched to 90 plus pace defenders, changed to a much deeper formation stopped shooting near post, and surprise surprise I stopped getting slapped and started winning games again!
I think people are overlooking how much the centre back power curve has been pushed in the last week. Every single person has a 92 rated almost end game defender now, so of course your attackers won’t be able to get through as easy.
I think what ea should do when a gameplay patch happen is drop everyone 2/3 divisions so if you are having a hard time adjusting to it you will be able to stay there a week or so till the better players go up then you're not getting smashed every game.
The powershot point is just rediculous. It is patched. It does not work anymore like it dit first. It has nothing to do with people learning how to defend it. Because it was barely defendable in the first place.
There is something inherently wrong with this game for a few years now. I do get it a lot of it is server dependent but i have noticed the same thing in offline gameplay.
I used precision shooting pre patch and loved it since the patch I felt it a little off switched to assisted and it seems alot better I love precision but I think post patch assisted was boosted
the only thing I noticed with Precision shooting post patch, was a slight delay between pressing shot and the player actually shooting. It's screwed me a few times now
nobody was playing 100 depth pre patch with frst time ball being so broken...what in stupid r u talking about???..run with ur winger and u can see a gud opp running with his midfielder all the way back while his fullback is tracking u winger wihtout him touchinghis fullback
My problem is attacking AI again. Post patch the off-ball movement was almost perfect. I was so GITTY just by vini simply getting back in an onside position. I kinda feel like I’m playing with 10 boxes of rocks again.. I was on “short passing” and could fly up the pitch.. Idk about defense & scoring, etc etc. but I feel like Attacking ai isn’t the same. There’s no reason I have over 2k matches played & I’m again switching roles and formations to find the right combo.. I thought we were past that point
Game is still playing the same as post patch but the connection is ridiculous. I don’t start any game that doesn’t stay at 8-14 ping & at some points throughout the game the input delay is as though I went into an 80 ping game. It’s insane. They also need to fix tackle. I can make a movie of me tackling someone & my player either falling, flipping or getting an unfavorable animation that doesn’t let me get to the ball.
Nep, if you remember the first patch they made dribbling better to maneuver and turn with the ball the first day I played it was smooth and very beautiful because you can actually dribble and outdo opponents. The next I felt it became worse and after couple of days it disappeared 👻 and I couldn’t feel the maneuvering 😂 and that was long way back before toty so I now believe the new patch is good but it also became worse after day or two maybe people break the game with the way we play or EA is doing it in purpose to always keep control of the quality of the game 😢
There is no soft patch. Go watch the FC pro live. They are conceding left and right, defenders are still idiots. Server issue, impact all aspects of the game. This makes it feel like like a patch
Nep, we were playing on different servers during thos first few day and my Mbappe would outpace Van Dijk, Now my Mbappe runs like he wears Nappies and is caught by every Cb..there is clearly a patch, never matter the server
I agree with everyone you say around adapting, server overload etc, however, Ronald Koeman just caught my Vini POTM with a 10/15 yard head start. This was in the first half and Vini on good fitness/energy level. It was weird tbf.
I agree with you! The games I play have a ridiculous amount of goals. And if there is any evidence needed there was a pro game last night that finished 14-3….. highest ever score in a pro game I believe.
They added in penalties to clubs drop ins in a stealth patch. It was in the previous patch notes but they must’ve forgot to add it in game. Then about a week later we got penalties in drop ins
Sorry nep when the patch came out my cruyff could be level with gold van djik and get to the ball 1st. Now my bale 3 or 4 yards ahead is been caught. And this patch was released when servers were busy as was close to start of toty so not valid excuse. We all seen that video/tutorial showing us the difference i would guarantee if they did that now it would show it's gone backwards again
If your seeing so many goals at this moment just means u cant defend and your opponent cant defend. Because im not even getting scored on at all at this moment.
2:27 I could not agree more. Last game of champs I won 7-6 against a very good opponent with Toty salah and WW son as strikers on a narrow 4-1-2-1-2. Ended up finishing weekend league rank 5
Nah it's not the players adapting. When the patch was released I went to Elite Div top 15% from Div 2, I was on a 17 games win streak. And it was like that for like 2-3 days. I have maybe lost 6 games in 3 days. Now I'm on a 11 games losing streak, unable to win anything anymore. You do not just go to shit like that. Vini Jr. once again unable to outpace almost any defenders, it's just not it. Not all of us are crazy. Gold Mbappe is a good card for testing. His boost is just not there anymore, it's crazy. All in all those were the only 3 days where I actually enjoyed playing this wacky game. Now it's boring and dreadful once again.
Same for me! Big winning streak after patch. Now my players cant not outrun anyone, passes in the box, get auto tackles from ai. Im sure its ea, because they want the causals keep playing. A guy whos plays everyday of the week, should be able to win against a guy who only plays 1 or 2 a week 9/10 games, thats how the game should be.
Ok Accepting that we are adapted So why we have tackle back, bad finishing, bad passing all claimed by opponent, defenders catch the strikers easily again and...
100% NOT soft patched. I use a Lengthy 6’2 striker with 84 base pace and he is as quick Now as when the first patch was released. NEP even said this when the patch was live, it would cause mayhem the first 1-2 weeks, and then people will adapt and learn how to defend better
The servers have been HORRIFIC. People mistake it for a patch. They should focus on the condition of the servers instead. People are logging on and the gameplay turns heavy and unresponsive.
Agreed. Sunday everything got release for TOTY promo and that day the servers were horrible. Way worse than before and it seems it hasn’t improved since that day.
I agree with everyone on here. There has definitely been a patch to defenders. I did the Salma SBC and she has 97 sprint speed and every time she would get the ball and break my opponents back line the their CB would come from 5 yards back and catch me. It’s 100% back to a dribble fest game again.
I play co-op rivals quite a bit, usually with bad ping as my friends live far away. Often that experience feels like a different game than solo play. It's not a patch but it certainly feels off with toty servers.
I have always thought that youtubers don't realise this situations as much because they play high level. Us in Div 3 face people that still defend with their CPU the whole game and those guys were getting smoked by 6-10 goals a week ago. Now their CPU are defending amazingly once more.
Seeing a lot of CPU defending in W/L too. Defenders are also catching up to fast players a hell of a lot quicker as well as compared to a week ago as well, so it’s a little bit weird
Some of you don't understand that AI has to work as well. You will always see AI defending just like you will also see AI attacking runs. You can only control 1 of 10 players after all.
@@ScariestMovieScenes no one is saying there should be zero ai defending. Just that the level the ai is participating on defence has increased in the last few days. Any person looking can see it. I expect it’s even noticeable watching back neps gameplay from the last week, outside of him adding 15m of attackers which will skew his opinion somewhat. I’m elite with 2k games played this cycle, I can win consistently either way. I think ai has been live tuned to do more on the slider, the net of this feels like a pace nerf as players are reacting to situations faster and already on the move before the attackers.
A lot of people have changed their formation and have adapted to the new patch aswell as having beast defenders. So you will obviously feel it being different now that when the new patch first launched
servers are fucking shite! honestly the power curve on this game is a joke too, literally cant compete unless you no life or spend money on this game. The cards are a joke
People are hardwired to complain about FIFA/FC at this point too. Everyone liking the patch means there's less to vent their frustration about so they create an imaginary shadow patch in their minds to justify complaining again.
I do understand people saying they shadow patched the game to make it worse again, I feel like that sometimes too. But I still can’t fully understand whether it’s just inconsistent gameplay which has been an issue for almost a decade, or whether they have actually done a soft patch to revert the gameplay back to the defensive, slow mess we had before the latest patch.
Don’t forget in last year they patch mbappe and dembele guarantee glitch without any update or even without close your game or anything so we don’t know what ea can do or change without us knowing
My experience is that something has changed. I only play squad battles. It's always had a bit animation issues and input delay. Post patch, this felt much smoother and snappier. In the past week it's reverted closer to how it felt before. I only do evo's and haven't really updated my squad much, so it's not really about adaption. I can accept it's servers however my experience of the game has reverted. So I don't really care if it's a patch or servers. The game got better and then got worse. Having a patch that only works if you get on the right server in non-peak hours is pointless.
I played friendlies last night at like 11 pm and the game was amazing. They didn’t soft patch the game. You just refuse to acknowledge inconsistent gameplay. Inception has been talking about it for years. One game your team plays amazing next game the inputs are delayed and you Neymar and Vini turn like trucks even though they have great dribbling.
Made some very valid points there and the overloading of servers during toty promo actually explains a lot with regards to gameplay so I actually think you are spot on
The theory is wild about wanting people to hate the game to be in the store. I’ve played far more regularly since the latest patch and if they reverted back, I’d be back spending all my time on BO6 rather than in the store
Didn't EA put a pop up on the load in screen like a month ago that they will be doing adjustment to game play without releasing major patches/updates, like fine tuning sliders without announcing every little thing they are doing? Swear I clicked through that.
Sometimes when you do a lobbed through pass it will wrongfully be a low pass instead, that was an issue before the patch too, and now its back again. EA has done something fishy here no doubt
The only reason I am even entertaining the idea of a shadow patch, is because people are suddenly scoring zero degrees near post shots against me again. But otherwise there is no difference
Insane that people belive in "soft patch". As you point out, the scorelines is still as high as before. People is so lazy in attacking, seeking instant reward and just want to outpace defenders. Of course everyone adjust their defense. They told people "learn to defend" and thats what people tries to do.
They have done something to the pace. Im still loving the game almost div 2 now never played much before the patch. But now offline and online my salma has lost pace.
I don't think it's a server issue, as I play after midnight regularly when the servers aren't as loaded and the gameplay isn't as mudded. But I do think they buffed AI defending slightly in live tuning. I can see the attacking runs are the same as has been in the new patch, but the difference now is the AI defending tracks it slightly better. I think it's actually an improvement because it was way too open before and too easy to exploit, as CBs weren't marking strikers off the ball sufficiently.
I think the problem is a bigger issue that is industry wide. There is a lack of trust between gamers and developers/publishers. It's getting worse and worse. Developers/publishers across multiple franchises have done so many scummy things and have proved they can't be trusted. Gamers don't believe anything the developers say anymore.
I get your server point of view and it's spot on when it comes to responsiveness etc, but you can't put the fact that the speed gap is no longer in the game, down to the servers. Patch first came out, loads of players came back, patch played like it should. Last 4 days (ISH) that update meaning slow defenders could not as easily catch your fast player is no longer. A server wouldn't cause this
There’s no such thing, people just don’t realize how inconsistent the gameplay is. The gameplay varies from person to person. There are so many factors like… personal hotspots, weak wifi signal, Ethernet cable connections. Not to mention the overloaded data centers. Inconsistent gameplay affects the tactics, formations and player performance.
A soft patch doesn’t mean it was completely reverted to pre-patch.. don’t know why people keep commenting on this theory like it’s one or the other. I still think gameplay is 100% better than pre-patch but I definitely feel like EA have soft patched it trying to find a balance between the all out attack post patch and all AI defense of pre-patch.
It’s not the servers imo. Certain games feel like constant press from the Ai worse than ever . And I used to play a ball from my cam to my wingers which now no longer works due to the lb or rb tracking the runner tight unlike before any of the patches .
I think the biggest problem is the servers not the people adapting (it's also a reason) but ea really should invest some of that money and put it into servers for example here in north Africa have to play in Europe servers and i play on 60-70 at best and sometimes its 90-100
since four days nothing feels right on the pitch. my players stand still, nobody‘s moving at all. defenders catch up strikers easily and the gameplay feels completely muddy. they defo tweaked something and got the game worse again. what a shame 🤦♂️
Went from 12-3 last weekend to 8-7 this weekend. All my players felt like bronze cards. I don’t think it’s a patch but the gameplay is definitely worse for me. I think it’s a server issue.
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Hey nep hope all is well with you, sad to hear about your dad but we’re all with you and hopefully all goes well with his recovery ❤
100% right on servers. One day its great other day is crap. But how come that the majority of players feel the same crap at the same time? EA need to fix the servers for once. Its always been bad. This week its just un playable again.
I never remember fifa being like this but it's 100% the servers for fc
Possibly because it's TOTY and the game averages at about 102k concurrent players right now on PC alone when before TOTY it was 70k max. I imagine its worse on console.
Trash players that abuse AI dont adapt literally over night one day im destroying everyone next day my team plays like bronzes
@ over night? its been 10 days since the patch. its not hard to change your playstyle.
@ nah i meant i went from winning games 10-0 to back to back to back to that next day having AI defenders devour all my passes like magnets
Nep. It's not just connection. If you play with 4 controllers OFFLINE with the boys, you'll get input delay. The same inconsistent gameplay happens OFFLINE too. Something has been inherently wrong within the game's code for years.
SPOT ON!
Can be same with squad battles
I got a disconnect in the final of an offline draft ffs
But even when you are playing offline modes, you are most likely still connected to the ea severs
i play offline and on squad battles 90% of the time, i have had 0 input delay
so this week I signed into a wrong server everyday, gotcha
Nah man, fast players don’t breakaway anymore and slow defenders still catch up, they def did a soft patch due to whiny bad players.
There are no slow defenders in this game anymore. Literally every one was just given evo that gives 97 sprint speed with shadow
@@repa4037 99 pace attacker is faster then 95 pace defender. its maths
@ ig, but they don’t have rapid
@@TheKernal96_ Whitout the ball ofcourse but with ball not so much
@@EduardoSanchez-oi7dk rapid don’t effect running without the ball and lenghty is faster than controlled/explosive
How would servers being overloaded effect AI defending. How would it make TOTY Vini Jr slower than gold Gabriel (own experience). Shouldn't it effect their players too? Make it make sense.
thank you people are so dumb saying players adapted and can defend now tf you mean adapted in 1 weak? And how does that explain 70 pace gold cbs catching up to my Mbappe and defensive line is so much narrower now.
@ guess we are all signing into the wrong server every day now 😂
Think this is also shown by the FC Pro live games this week and last week, the amount of goals in each game even at that level in comparison to previously clearly shows the lack of any secret patch
Players adapting to the patch has nothing to do with the fact that slower defenders can catch up to faster attackers again. Quickstep and Rapid are back to being placebos again.
1000% very few players can break thru with speed now. And it’s infuriating
Well put together & very fair points Neppo, BUT..... You're telling me 85-95% of the player base has suddenly adapted to the new defending? I'm personally not buying that....
i mean if you are div 3 + and play champs you are only 10% of the ea fc player base, only around 5% of UT players actually qualify for champs
Incompetent
@@KC_Runz agreed this is corporate waffle
Doesn't take long mate
100% literally overnight everyone I play has solid defence. And it is AI defense. Make it make sense
If it’s a shadow patch or servers, either way something is up. There were so many instances over this weekend league where my players glitched, legit ran away from the ball when I was dribbling, and players felt like they had 20 pace. It was just weird to sit and play when before the weekend, the gameplay was smooth as butter
@@alessandromanno6029 💯 correct. Game unplayable overnight.. will this get rectified? 👊
I agree servers play a part but from my perspective there has been some sort of live tuning take place. They have done live tuning with no download in the past and I think there was a buff to ai defending. I’m not pro level but am in elite with 976SR. Around 2k games played on FC25. Up until Sunday whilst the servers were busy, player switching and manual defending was important. I am now finding I’m being blocked and tackled regularly by ai controlled defenders. It’s in EA’s interests to do this, as a smaller skill gap directly equates to more spending in the store. Pre Sunday you could have toty vvd vs adeyemi and adeyemi would burn him with vvd acting like no more than a cone when ai controlled. Now the cb’s are functioning close to as well as can be achieved by controlling them again on their own. The reason I say doing this was in EA’s interest is that if I can beat you easily regardless of what cb you have, there is no reason for you to go to the store and chase packs. With the ai doing the job for you, having toty vvd over Konate makes a difference regardless of who’s hands he is in. A lower skill gap game suits the majority of the player base and ea as it’s more pay to win. Appreciate the video and ability to read the comments. Super interesting debate. Hope all is on the up with your dad and keep up the good work. Peace. ✌️
They have already did a live tuning update that didn’t need to be downloaded in the same way as a normal patch. It nerfed ‘first time’ powershots and contested headers. So saying it hasn’t happened because it simply cant be done is nonsense.
That's a little different compared to an AI overhaul that required a 4 gb update in the first place. Not to mention that AI hasn't changed.
@@ScariestMovieScenes I don’t think the AI has been completely overhauled. I never said it has. But… the game has felt different 100%. I feel like shooting, passing and pace has been tweaked. Overloaded servers don’t explain why shots are hitting the post way more often, delay surely wouldn’t have any effect on that whatsoever.
Nep still stepping on egg shells around EA 😂 it’s your connection. If you experience rebounds, your players suddenly become slow in the second half and you need make 5 tackles in a row to win the ball. Reset your internet and check your connection 😂
The problem is that every game you play is different, so its really inconsistent gameplay, one game they are «good» and then next game they are in the «mudd» but it always seems like my opponents never has this issue from my POV
And then you have games where everything goes against you, every bounce is always somehow in the opponent feets, and when you actually get trough opponents defence his keeper makes the most miracle save ever..
That all comes down to connection, every game your connecting to a different person / Area / Location in terms of that game. if they have a better connection than you do to the server it makes a massive difference
Its confirmation bias.
You opponent will have the same difficulties but maybe in different games to you due to connection being different.
And bounces goes your way to, you just dont “mark them in your brain” when its not against you.
After I win my 2nd game in my division suddenly my opponent for the 3rd match turns into a no chance win 😂
"but it always seems like my opponents never has this issue from my POV" Oh trust me, sometimes i score 3 goals in 10 minutes and i know it's because EA wants me to win, not because im actually much better.
Idk.. everyone i play has 451 & park the bus w counter. The mids make a whole other line in their box & they just counter w pace. That's literally ALL I play against it's ridiculous
Its not the speed boost thing ur saying its the genuine fact that slow defenders in a race catch up with fast as hell strikers
My defenders sure don't and if they do its because they're lengthy, which is the point of these running styles.
@ScariestMovieScenes running style isnt logical in real life, we have all witnessed gareth bail run off the pitch and round players guess why he done that, cause hes faster at sprinting than other folk, so when my cb with 80pace keeps up with him in the game its utter rubbish. They have added pace to defenders so that people dont play low depth style games its the only reason
They reduced the accuracy of power shots thats why no1 uses them anymore
been using them from time to time with toty puskas, theyre crazy
They are faster as a trade off. Gyokeres blasts them top corner cross body consistently.
Nep, all you need to do is spent like 5 minutes and learn that EA can't patch but can apply live tuning and buff/nerf features within online gameplay.
I am not saying that it happened, but making 18 minutes video on fully denying this possibility is not a good thing.
As soon as the patch change and I was getting slapped, I changed my players to players with rapid and quickstep plus switched to 90 plus pace defenders, changed to a much deeper formation stopped shooting near post, and surprise surprise I stopped getting slapped and started winning games again!
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No!
Keepers save more shots now than a week ago and thats a FACT.
I think people are overlooking how much the centre back power curve has been pushed in the last week. Every single person has a 92 rated almost end game defender now, so of course your attackers won’t be able to get through as easy.
If you play clubs or any game mode where the power curve doesn’t change, you can clearly see the game is entirely different now than it was a week ago
I think what ea should do when a gameplay patch happen is drop everyone 2/3 divisions so if you are having a hard time adjusting to it you will be able to stay there a week or so till the better players go up then you're not getting smashed every game.
The powershot point is just rediculous. It is patched. It does not work anymore like it dit first. It has nothing to do with people learning how to defend it. Because it was barely defendable in the first place.
Have we not all played this franchise for years? FIFA/FC have the worst servers of any game out
The games bin patch
There is something inherently wrong with this game for a few years now. I do get it a lot of it is server dependent but i have noticed the same thing in offline gameplay.
People are just AI defending again and it’s working. Literally takes no skills to defend anymore cuz all the cry babies were complaining
Defenders catch up with the fastest players in the game again thats what i definitely know
Not true
Yep
100%
@@Sinister_02_ Must be a skill issue on my part then mate, if you say so. Have a pleasant day xxx
I used precision shooting pre patch and loved it since the patch I felt it a little off switched to assisted and it seems alot better I love precision but I think post patch assisted was boosted
the only thing I noticed with Precision shooting post patch, was a slight delay between pressing shot and the player actually shooting. It's screwed me a few times now
@ yes that's actually exactly what I noticed seems a bit delayed and would get last second tackled
nobody was playing 100 depth pre patch with frst time ball being so broken...what in stupid r u talking about???..run with ur winger and u can see a gud opp running with his midfielder all the way back while his fullback is tracking u winger wihtout him touchinghis fullback
Yeah see more and more 70 depth and just spamming tackles ala pre-patch.
This dude is delirious.
My problem is attacking AI again. Post patch the off-ball movement was almost perfect. I was so GITTY just by vini simply getting back in an onside position.
I kinda feel like I’m playing with 10 boxes of rocks again.. I was on “short passing” and could fly up the pitch..
Idk about defense & scoring, etc etc. but I feel like Attacking ai isn’t the same. There’s no reason I have over 2k matches played & I’m again switching roles and formations to find the right combo..
I thought we were past that point
Im using 95 toty Eusebio and vini jr upfront in single player drafts(world class), im still getting caught by Girona defenders with ease.
Says it all does it not
Same
Yeah same and even getting caught by defenders jockeying.
how is the feel in the shooting completely different than before too then?
Yea the AI adapt aswell in squad battles?!! Post patch beating legendary teams like never before and last days no wins anymore with the same team
Game is still playing the same as post patch but the connection is ridiculous. I don’t start any game that doesn’t stay at 8-14 ping & at some points throughout the game the input delay is as though I went into an 80 ping game. It’s insane. They also need to fix tackle. I can make a movie of me tackling someone & my player either falling, flipping or getting an unfavorable animation that doesn’t let me get to the ball.
Nep, if you remember the first patch they made dribbling better to maneuver and turn with the ball the first day I played it was smooth and very beautiful because you can actually dribble and outdo opponents. The next I felt it became worse and after couple of days it disappeared 👻 and I couldn’t feel the maneuvering 😂 and that was long way back before toty so I now believe the new patch is good but it also became worse after day or two maybe people break the game with the way we play or EA is doing it in purpose to always keep control of the quality of the game 😢
There is no soft patch. Go watch the FC pro live. They are conceding left and right, defenders are still idiots. Server issue, impact all aspects of the game. This makes it feel like like a patch
Nep, we were playing on different servers during thos first few day and my Mbappe would outpace Van Dijk, Now my Mbappe runs like he wears Nappies and is caught by every Cb..there is clearly a patch, never matter the server
I agree with everyone you say around adapting, server overload etc, however, Ronald Koeman just caught my Vini POTM with a 10/15 yard head start. This was in the first half and Vini on good fitness/energy level. It was weird tbf.
Didnt th y say they could patch the game with out people ha ing to download w big patch, like live tuning type thing? Might be wrong
delay shouldn't effect attackers pace and not defenders though? I genuinely do feel like I am playing a completely different game again..
I agree with you! The games I play have a ridiculous amount of goals. And if there is any evidence needed there was a pro game last night that finished 14-3….. highest ever score in a pro game I believe.
They added in penalties to clubs drop ins in a stealth patch. It was in the previous patch notes but they must’ve forgot to add it in game.
Then about a week later we got penalties in drop ins
Its not about server or players adapting.
Same thing is going on in squad battle. Everything is worse again.
Sorry nep when the patch came out my cruyff could be level with gold van djik and get to the ball 1st. Now my bale 3 or 4 yards ahead is been caught. And this patch was released when servers were busy as was close to start of toty so not valid excuse. We all seen that video/tutorial showing us the difference i would guarantee if they did that now it would show it's gone backwards again
Mahh m8 😂 played the toty cup today… i saw it all
If your seeing so many goals at this moment just means u cant defend and your opponent cant defend. Because im not even getting scored on at all at this moment.
2:27 I could not agree more. Last game of champs I won 7-6 against a very good opponent with Toty salah and WW son as strikers on a narrow 4-1-2-1-2. Ended up finishing weekend league rank 5
the momentum swings in this game are wild. After you score you better be turning and running and doing whatever you can to slow the game down.
Nah it's not the players adapting. When the patch was released I went to Elite Div top 15% from Div 2, I was on a 17 games win streak. And it was like that for like 2-3 days. I have maybe lost 6 games in 3 days. Now I'm on a 11 games losing streak, unable to win anything anymore. You do not just go to shit like that. Vini Jr. once again unable to outpace almost any defenders, it's just not it. Not all of us are crazy. Gold Mbappe is a good card for testing. His boost is just not there anymore, it's crazy. All in all those were the only 3 days where I actually enjoyed playing this wacky game. Now it's boring and dreadful once again.
Same for me! Big winning streak after patch. Now my players cant not outrun anyone, passes in the box, get auto tackles from ai. Im sure its ea, because they want the causals keep playing. A guy whos plays everyday of the week, should be able to win against a guy who only plays 1 or 2 a week 9/10 games, thats how the game should be.
LOL both just getting your butt kicked as you deserve to be in elite. Obviously elite players will adapt lol
Bro remember last week before this soft patched talking the servers went down not too long but they were down
Ok Accepting that we are adapted
So why we have tackle back, bad finishing, bad passing all claimed by opponent, defenders catch the strikers easily again and...
Its literally a skill issue and thats wild cause this version is wayyyyy more fun even than fc24 ( ive only ever played fut on 24 snd 25)
100% NOT soft patched. I use a Lengthy 6’2 striker with 84 base pace and he is as quick Now as when the first patch was released. NEP even said this when the patch was live, it would cause mayhem the first 1-2 weeks, and then people will adapt and learn how to defend better
bro, im using 95 toty Eusebio upfront in single player drafts, with full stam im still getting caught by Girona defenders with ease.
The servers have been HORRIFIC. People mistake it for a patch. They should focus on the condition of the servers instead. People are logging on and the gameplay turns heavy and unresponsive.
Did you not do a video a while back about how ea can do soft patches??
I don't think they've patched the game, but what about live tuning? Could that have affected the gameplay without a patch?
They saved it actually , that running simulator was gross
Is it not so sad that this company can't fix the issues with their servers?
More server traffic = EA hamsters on the wheel are struggling. As soon as TOTY is over gameplay will be back to how people remember the “new patch”.
Agreed. Sunday everything got release for TOTY promo and that day the servers were horrible. Way worse than before and it seems it hasn’t improved since that day.
I genuinely don’t feel any difference because I got on the game in the middle of the night after work, so I’d say it’s a server issue
I think it’s just the servers.
The ai I’m my opinion hasn’t changed it just feels like that because everyone takes heavy touches
I agree with everyone on here. There has definitely been a patch to defenders. I did the Salma SBC and she has 97 sprint speed and every time she would get the ball and break my opponents back line the their CB would come from 5 yards back and catch me. It’s 100% back to a dribble fest game again.
I play co-op rivals quite a bit, usually with bad ping as my friends live far away. Often that experience feels like a different game than solo play. It's not a patch but it certainly feels off with toty servers.
I have always thought that youtubers don't realise this situations as much because they play high level. Us in Div 3 face people that still defend with their CPU the whole game and those guys were getting smoked by 6-10 goals a week ago. Now their CPU are defending amazingly once more.
Literally the opposite everyone at the high level abuses broken things in the game, its much more telling playing at a high level not down in div 3
I'm in div3 stop making bad excuses
Seeing a lot of CPU defending in W/L too. Defenders are also catching up to fast players a hell of a lot quicker as well as compared to a week ago as well, so it’s a little bit weird
Some of you don't understand that AI has to work as well. You will always see AI defending just like you will also see AI attacking runs. You can only control 1 of 10 players after all.
@@ScariestMovieScenes no one is saying there should be zero ai defending. Just that the level the ai is participating on defence has increased in the last few days. Any person looking can see it. I expect it’s even noticeable watching back neps gameplay from the last week, outside of him adding 15m of attackers which will skew his opinion somewhat. I’m elite with 2k games played this cycle, I can win consistently either way. I think ai has been live tuned to do more on the slider, the net of this feels like a pace nerf as players are reacting to situations faster and already on the move before the attackers.
A lot of people have changed their formation and have adapted to the new patch aswell as having beast defenders. So you will obviously feel it being different now that when the new patch first launched
I have played yesterday and my players been so slow that increndibile.
servers are fucking shite! honestly the power curve on this game is a joke too, literally cant compete unless you no life or spend money on this game. The cards are a joke
The CBs are out of position once again. Despite ai defending is helping
People are hardwired to complain about FIFA/FC at this point too. Everyone liking the patch means there's less to vent their frustration about so they create an imaginary shadow patch in their minds to justify complaining again.
JUST STOP PLAYING . ITS THAT SIMPLE 😂
With the defenders, I'm still getting 82 max pace players catching up to 99 Pace mcmanaman or my 98 pace vini for me. Nothing changed
You’re right on everything but they have done a live tuning stuff before which hasn’t included an update file/download
I do understand people saying they shadow patched the game to make it worse again, I feel like that sometimes too. But I still can’t fully understand whether it’s just inconsistent gameplay which has been an issue for almost a decade, or whether they have actually done a soft patch to revert the gameplay back to the defensive, slow mess we had before the latest patch.
Don’t forget in last year they patch mbappe and dembele guarantee glitch without any update or even without close your game or anything so we don’t know what ea can do or change without us knowing
My experience is that something has changed. I only play squad battles. It's always had a bit animation issues and input delay. Post patch, this felt much smoother and snappier. In the past week it's reverted closer to how it felt before. I only do evo's and haven't really updated my squad much, so it's not really about adaption.
I can accept it's servers however my experience of the game has reverted. So I don't really care if it's a patch or servers. The game got better and then got worse.
Having a patch that only works if you get on the right server in non-peak hours is pointless.
I played friendlies last night at like 11 pm and the game was amazing. They didn’t soft patch the game. You just refuse to acknowledge inconsistent gameplay. Inception has been talking about it for years. One game your team plays amazing next game the inputs are delayed and you Neymar and Vini turn like trucks even though they have great dribbling.
Looks like you're on EA payroll, does delay change your sprint speed?
Made some very valid points there and the overloading of servers during toty promo actually explains a lot with regards to gameplay so I actually think you are spot on
The theory is wild about wanting people to hate the game to be in the store. I’ve played far more regularly since the latest patch and if they reverted back, I’d be back spending all my time on BO6 rather than in the store
Didn't EA put a pop up on the load in screen like a month ago that they will be doing adjustment to game play without releasing major patches/updates, like fine tuning sliders without announcing every little thing they are doing? Swear I clicked through that.
Sometimes when you do a lobbed through pass it will wrongfully be a low pass instead, that was an issue before the patch too, and now its back again. EA has done something fishy here no doubt
The only reason I am even entertaining the idea of a shadow patch, is because people are suddenly scoring zero degrees near post shots against me again. But otherwise there is no difference
I’m in awe! You’ve got a real gift for this.
Nep you should know EA can make a live tuning without a need of a patch.
Are you just not talking about on purpose ?
Insane that people belive in "soft patch". As you point out, the scorelines is still as high as before. People is so lazy in attacking, seeking instant reward and just want to outpace defenders. Of course everyone adjust their defense. They told people "learn to defend" and thats what people tries to do.
FC community is full of a bunch of soft betas.
They have done something to the pace. Im still loving the game almost div 2 now never played much before the patch. But now offline and online my salma has lost pace.
You’re doing an amazing job! Love the positivity you bring.
I don't think it's a server issue, as I play after midnight regularly when the servers aren't as loaded and the gameplay isn't as mudded. But I do think they buffed AI defending slightly in live tuning. I can see the attacking runs are the same as has been in the new patch, but the difference now is the AI defending tracks it slightly better. I think it's actually an improvement because it was way too open before and too easy to exploit, as CBs weren't marking strikers off the ball sufficiently.
Not servers.. bullshit.....I play offline sometimes and its different since weekend..fact😅
I think the problem is a bigger issue that is industry wide. There is a lack of trust between gamers and developers/publishers. It's getting worse and worse. Developers/publishers across multiple franchises have done so many scummy things and have proved they can't be trusted. Gamers don't believe anything the developers say anymore.
I get your server point of view and it's spot on when it comes to responsiveness etc, but you can't put the fact that the speed gap is no longer in the game, down to the servers. Patch first came out, loads of players came back, patch played like it should. Last 4 days (ISH) that update meaning slow defenders could not as easily catch your fast player is no longer. A server wouldn't cause this
There’s no such thing, people just don’t realize how inconsistent the gameplay is. The gameplay varies from person to person. There are so many factors like… personal hotspots, weak wifi signal, Ethernet cable connections. Not to mention the overloaded data centers. Inconsistent gameplay affects the tactics, formations and player performance.
A soft patch doesn’t mean it was completely reverted to pre-patch.. don’t know why people keep commenting on this theory like it’s one or the other. I still think gameplay is 100% better than pre-patch but I definitely feel like EA have soft patched it trying to find a balance between the all out attack post patch and all AI defense of pre-patch.
Jamado lives in Australia. There’s only 1 server in Oceania to log into which is in Sydney. So he does log into the same server every single day
It’s not the servers imo. Certain games feel like constant press from the Ai worse than ever . And I used to play a ball from my cam to my wingers which now no longer works due to the lb or rb tracking the runner tight unlike before any of the patches .
I think the biggest problem is the servers not the people adapting (it's also a reason) but ea really should invest some of that money and put it into servers for example here in north Africa have to play in Europe servers and i play on 60-70 at best and sometimes its 90-100
since four days nothing feels right on the pitch. my players stand still, nobody‘s moving at all. defenders catch up strikers easily and the gameplay feels completely muddy. they defo tweaked something and got the game worse again. what a shame 🤦♂️
I'm in the eastern US. Last night my div rivals gameplay was good, definitely gameplay refresh update. Got absolutely cooked back to Div 2
Went from 12-3 last weekend to 8-7 this weekend. All my players felt like bronze cards. I don’t think it’s a patch but the gameplay is definitely worse for me. I think it’s a server issue.