The Problem With The 8700G... | AMD Ryzen 7 8700G First Look And Memory Recommendation
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AMD Ryzen 7 8700G is a good choice for a mini PC with a TDP of 65w to keep the cooling requirements at a minimum.
It so sad that they are not using 780m on 8600g. (It makes more sense)
There is a good chance that AMD did test it out first before releasing it but could of caused issues which is why they went for the 760M instead and also just be happy they didn't go with the 740M instead like they did with the 8500G.
8650G with 780M could be a great addition to the lineup
Then the consumer has fewer reasons to buy a dGPU. They will make more money if you buy a 8600G and a budget GPU from them than if you buy just a 8600G. (to use your example)
Yep there is deffo good dies that have their full gpu but have a bad cpu core or two,
I bought this APU the Ryzen 7 8700G to get a mini ITX PC, the Case is an InWin Chopin Max just I will use the APU with 2x16GB 32GB RAM DDR5 at 7200Mhz I just play in 1080p 60FPS max and some games at 1080p 30FPS :) always I wanted to get a mini PC and now I can get it! ^^
Oof, that's going to be a phenomenal little beast of a system, congrats!
@@TheTechTank thank you, actually my current PC is a Ryzen 7 5700G, the case is a Thermaltake Versa N21 but is bigger than the Chopin before I had a RTX 4060 Ti 16GB Verto Dual Fan from PNY but I sold it with other GPU the GTX 1660 Ti Palit StormX. yes I could upgrade my current PC but I wanted a little pc, Mini ITX format and now that AMD finally, put in this APU a great iGPU could do the change ^^
@oxilon9872 6000mhz CL 30 is best for gaming
@@oxilon9872 the 8700g can still use that ram even though the official site states 5200mhz is max - if I remember correctly.
I have this APU as a project; wasn't looking for budget build. I have it in an itx set-up
To get the most I'm having to buy a new motherboard. An APU is extremely RAM-centric. Needs PBO and EXPO to get most out of it. I will be using the old mobo and RAM for another ITX machine.
When I get it tuned right with my 6800mhz RAM I'll transfer it into a thermaltake 100 with an LCD AIO and colour/theme it as Rebecca from Cyberpunk Edgerunners
As a budget gamer, I have to say this guy is super underrated. Most of them only care about the highest of the high end, so this more budget and APU stuff is really great to see.
This may be my first time watching a video here, but it won't be my last.
You're way too kind, man, I really appreciate the support!
sorry this is not budget APU
@@stevenknight95 still cheaper than a cpu+gpu
@@stevenknight95well it is if you consider the watt/performance/temps ratio
Having a gpu instead of this cpu make your watt goes twice higher , or even more
Thoses watts turn into heat that must be cooled down by fans , heating your room
The room must be cooled down , spending more watts
So basicaly while you might spend less on a gtx 1060 , not only you wont have things like ray tracing of fsr , but you will also loose more money on watts , and once you want to upgrade , you will have to buy a whole new computer , while the ryzen 8700 will just need a gpu
The cpu temps can be reduced by 50% if you disable core boost , that only increase your performance by 10% , while gpu dont have this
Also , for thoses wattercooling fans , a wattercooled gpu with a wattercooled cpu is hard to build , meanwhile , since the igpu is only using 20% of the cpu , you might not even need a fan on your cooler , so less heat to cool down
Theres only 2 small problems with this build , first , like its said on the video , the ram , they cost a lot , but also one of the most important , the game compatibility
While in the video hes talking about the fact that its good to play less demanding games , theres some games that only work with a gpu , honkai star rail for exemple , it was working on release , but now it doesnt anymore
And for someone like me that wanted to buy a ryzen 8700 computer to play casual games like this one for low watt cost on thoses summer days , well...i cant , and who know what other problems there is , most games are made to be played on gpu while using the system ram for solething else , they try to use the gpu ram and the cpu ram for 2 diferents things
So...i will wait for more test , or maybe a newer apu , cause i think i will stop buying gpu cards , its not like i will "see" thoses 200 fps
@@TheTechTank
Thx for this video , help a lot
I know this video is quite old but , did you tried to disable the core boost on bios ? On my ryzen 3600 it goes from 70 degree to 50 , only reducing performance by 10% , cause i want to make a fanless computer with low temps , but i couldnt find any video about it
I actualy want to use the stock amd cooler without the fan , saving more money , dissipating less heat
Thanks for the video been looking into this as i am planning on building a secondary system for when i do not want to use my main one for not so demanding games and also i plan on having the system for dual boot as one for Windows and the other for ChimeraOS since i have 2x500gb NVMe's and 2x1tb 2.5" SSDs i would use for storing the games into as well as a 3.5" 2TB HDD that would most likely be formatted as exfat since that format works for both Windows and Linux.
Love the review. You earned a new sub.
Appreciated!
I just watched gamers nexus's video on this cpu. I think it was 7 months ago and yours is 5 months ago. He was talking about a problem that the desktops cpus are using a feature only meant for handhelds that is not making it perform at its full potential and that it would be fixed in a bios update. I am not sure if at the time you were filming this video you had it but I would like to know. I am considering this cpu and wanted to know if you recommend it over a 7700xt. I plan on getting a 7900 gre but, id be getting it around 3 months after and I wanted a little more igpu performance to hold me off until then. What do you think ?
Will Cyberpunk run on it, well enough?
@@Pharesm Can't can't expect much just a igpu. If I remember correctly you should be able to play 1080p low settings and get around 40fps. You should probably watch some benchmark videos to be sure
@@sleepy_szn you get 50 - 60fps on low in the 5 5600G, this one must get at least 60fps on medium.
8700G also has native USB 4.0 connection..... 9000x AM5 series are limited to USB 3.2 at this moment
thanks for the video, I have a 5700G the igp blew me away, that being said these newer gens should blow it clear out of the water... that being said my system handles most of my gaming titles quite well I built an enclosure for an dgpu with it's own psu running directly over pcie via an extender in the event I need more power I've only fired it up a couple times, I love the massive power savings you get with out a dgpu and the noise and heat reduction. APU's are definitely the way to go for casual lightweight gaming, not so much for current tripple A titles but for me I'm happy can't wait to see what else AMD has in store for their APU lineups
I got my 8700G tp 5.5ghz allcore and 7400mhz DDR5 CL32. Cinebench R23 Multi (20873) Single (2031). I haven't tested it with just the APU yet, but I'm getting over 200FPS average with a RTX 4070 1440p basic settings. When tuned right this thing is amazing. If they only would've added more cache on this thing, id make it my daily PC. It never gets passed 80c in Cinebench R23, and all of that performance is cooled by a 5 year old EVGA 120mm AIO with a single fan 😂
Dang, that's super impressive! I'm wondering why you went with this chip if you have that 4070 though?
@@TheTechTank Because it is the only monolithic architecture that AMD has produced in years. The chiplet design has latency flaws, plus memory bandwidth issues, hence why the 8700G can push 2400-2500 fclk (7400) on crappy b650 motherboards without decoupling the infinity fabric. The chiplet ryzen cpus can only go to 2133 MAX (6400mhz) on $600 motherboards. This CPU is just as fast as the 7700x when tuned properly and has the APU... That's why. Plus I'm bored with my 7800X3D and 13900K pcs...
@@LegionGamingTV For my 8700g I'm using the igpu atm will test later with 7800xt. How much voltage did u need for 5.5ghz? I delided (15c+ less heat) and still need 1220mv set 1190mv get (with droop) just for 5.1ghz, I'm having trouble getting 5.2ghz. I'm using linpack, prime, x264 encoding to verify stability and expected performance.
@@xxtheplague1xx280 These CPUs pull crazy amounts of voltage, just like Ryzen 7000. PBO advanced settings enabled with -30 and the CPU PBO settings at plus 200mhz this CPU pulls over 1.4v and thats after using PBO. My cpu is at 1.25v and 5.4ghz currently. I had all limits removed btw..
@@xxtheplague1xx280 I just switched to PBO -30 with plus 200mhz on the CPU in the PBO menu Ira Cinebench r23 and it was pulling 1.29v and 1.30v during the run. These chips are fine at voltages higher than 1.19 or 1.2 bro. My cpu hit 57c during a cinebench r23 multicore run... with stock limits not touching the vcore or anything.
I have question i have 13500T desktop with rtx 4060 and ddr4 royal 64gb cl18 4000mhz. Should i Get amd 8700G or stay with current system for few more years for performance gain?
Oh wow, didn't even know that chip existed 😂 Your system seems pretty solid to me. Only upgrade if you're unhappy with the performance you're getting right now. If you do upgrade, I wouldn't personally go with the 8700G since you already have that 4060.
@@TheTechTankthank you !!!!
I thought you were BitWit when i clicked on the thumbnail... Dang, he could be you doppelgänger!
Lol, I always appreciate when people call this out. I had no idea until I started this channel and people said I looked like him.
Text is too small, can improve. Overall good video, thanks
I got one 2nd hand brand new for R5500 including a cooler so I think I'm happy with that
Not a bad deal at all, congrats!
Unfortunately, overclocking memory also overclocks the memory controller inside the CPU, this often will cause instability issues.
Not on the 8700G. I'm running DDR5-8000 no problem. The memory controller on the 8000 series is much more capable than on the 7000 series.
APU performance is kindova moot point on a desktop IMHO. Laptops and ultraportables yeah, I can see the appeal. But when even the latest and gretest apu does worse than dedicated chips that are pushing a decade old and can be had for next to nothing (the 970 sells for less than 50 bucks online and comfortably outperforms the apu on this) why bother is the question (at least for the APU side, the CPU is still great).
TDP. In an office/desktop environment, low TDP and integrated graphics translates directly to small and quiet. Think about this in a small ITX case with a 280mm AIO cooler. Whisper quiet and out of sight.
And then there is straight power cost. My desktop system is using close to 200W and I'm just on youtube. I have a 2200G system built for my wife years ago that uses about 30W for normal desktop use and peaked at 90W running benchmarks. Figure there is at least $100/yr difference in operating cost, and my electricity is only US$0.09/kwh.
That GTX 970 would cost a lot more to operate, so you only save money on it if you don't pay your own bills.
There are not just lifecycle/operating costs to think of. I am looking one to stick one in an RV. My current 3700X + RX6700XT desktop was efficient in it's day, but sucks too much power for remote use - it would require generator or grid power to run in an RV for very long.
A 65w APU system would fit into the space behind the monitor stand and run with a direct DC-DC power supply, so it can runs off the battery bank without the inverter's or regular AC power supply unit's efficiency loss.
Setup one of these fixed in the RV, and I not only do I no longer need to pay $$$ for a gaming laptop to game on the road - but this would use even less juice than the laptop. I am looking at off grid solar powered gaming, boondocked in a national forest for a day or two while taking a break from a cross country trip.
@that.schamp you can switch to integrated graphics if you want... also that's not how gpus work. Your power draw is determined by load. A high power gpu when idle or when you are just using it for productivity shouldn't be using much power unless your settings are off.
It makes sense for work pcs that just need decent graphics not top of the line ones and are on a budget.
how much ddr5 6200 cl32 ram did you use for the improvements, 16, 32, 64?
Good catch, looks like I forgot to mention. It was a 32GB kit (16 x 2).
MSI B650m Spec states the chip run on PCIE x8 only
Allocate 4gb to Vram in bios and youcan squeeze out up to 10% more performance in some games. The vram scaling does not work so well on some games.
Appreciate the tip, I'll give it a shot!
@TheTechTank in most games, it is just 1-3 fps, but some had a great boost by allocating Vram. If you tweak the RAM timing as well, you can get good results, these APU's have alot of potential with overclocking and tweaking in BIOS.
Love the video thanks, can't get an answer anywhere. Just want to know you tested or know if the 780m can run 2 x 4k monitors @ 60hz in hdr? (Productivity not gaming) can't get an answer from amd.
Want to do a small form factor build with just cpu if possible, given price want to know it works with dual 4k display hdr @ 60
Thanks
Didn't specifically test for it, but I looked around and it should have a max support for four monitors. Not sure about 2 x 4K, but I've never had any issues running two monitors at various resolutions even on integrated graphics.
im happy that amd igpus have finally gotten to 1080p low medium from 720p low medium but dang i really thought theyd have 1080p medium high 60fps or at least 1080p low with over 100fps by now
Sure, but to be fair it's not like games are getting less and less demanding. Hardware's always playing catchup.
Mate would i regret not buying a Ryzen 5 7600 setup instead of this Ryzen 7 8700G setup with the caveat that i first want to run only the iGpu then later add a monster gpu later? Reason for this is money plus i love older games so i'd love to test Dead space 2008 or Prototype 2 at 1080P with this setup and just see what the iGpu can do with these games then later add a gpu for games like Elden ring or Dead space remake 2023 and my current fave Grounded 1.4
If you have like a 2nd monitor you can theoretically plug it into the motherboard with the 8700g and runs apps on the igpu so no extra strain on the gpu
8700G + RTX 4070 Super at 1440p resolution, good combo, bad combo or just alright?
8700g is an overkill for a rtx 4070 , get a ryzen 3600 for that gpu , or a rtx4090 for that cpu
@@shirakolee Can you explain to me how is 8700G overkill for a RTX 4070 when it has only 16mb of L3 cache and is limited to PCIE 4.0 8x Lane?
@@BravoSixGoingDark cause it cost too much , the price is overkilling , 8700g cost is mainly the gpu inside , for that price , you can get something that will fit your gpu better
Or just remove the gpu , the igpu have almost the same power than a gtx 1060 but with more fonctionality and easier cooling
@@shirakolee I have a RTX 3060 from my current i7 4790k. I'm just looking to upgrade the CPU and motherboard. Going for an APU CPU because i want the iGPU as a stop gap measure in case my RTX 3060 decides to spoil again in the future.
@@BravoSixGoingDark oh ok...well im in that case where i need that cpu but i also need a rtx4080 super , my choice was to build a second computer , one for big games , and one for casuals
Theres the rtx5000 comming soon , and amd will probably make an other apu , so maybe you can wait a bit and go for a rtx5070 instead
That way instead of upgrading , you can sell your pc
But to answer you , yes a 4070 super will be fine
What 2024 Motherboards are compatible with the new 2024 AMD Ryzen 7 8700G 8-Core, 16-Thread Desktop Processor?
Most if not all of the socket AM5 motherboards should be compatible, so B650, X670, A620, and the "E" versions too.
Ryzen 8700g with 780m and 7800x3d with card best proccesors
Pretty much.
@@TheTechTank and 7900x for work too good/ games 1440, ultrawide and 4k
8600g (300$) is Overpriced !!!!!!!!!!! a Ryzen 5600g (100$) + an RX580 (50$) saves you 150$,money for the motherboard and ram.
Why AMD chose to give this chip only PCIe 4.0 and not 5.0 blows my mind. Clearly AMD is purposely leaving room for the upcoming Ryzen 9000 series chips, which also go from 16 TOPS NPU on the 8000 series up to 40 TOPS NPU/IPU/TPU (Ai chip) on the 9000 series. I dont even know why AMD bothered with the 8000 series. I wish I could buy a 9000 series chip right now. Clearly the 780M is a killer iGPU, I absolutely love the 780M in my Beelink SER7 mini PC and Ryzen 7 7840HS. I guess I'm going to buy the Ryzen 7800X3D now since I have a high end RTX card, and I'll sell my Ryzen 7800X3D when the 9000 series comes out. Annoying though because I dont have to have to do all of that lol. The 78003DX with a good GPU still smokes the 8700G with the SAME GPU being tested...meaning the 7800X3D is the better chip if you're going to be using a dedicated video card. I'm disappointed because I still wanted to buy an 8700G and pair it with my RTX, because if my RTX dies, having the 780M is a sick backup iGPU...but in this case, the 8700G will hold you back. Lots of UA-cam benchmark videos between the 7800X3D and the 8700G to prove it. What the heck, AMD?
Simply because the 8700G is a repurposed mobile chip whose all variants only supported PCIe 4.0 as well.
Is it good for blender ?
It's not the best, but for an eight-core it'll more than get the job done.
how do you get those low fps on a 7800x3d? iam really baffeld.
Because its the gpu integrated in the 7800x3d chip.
would you recomend this APU for Autocad ?
AutoCAD Forums has the answers on peoples user experience using both Ryzen or Intel builds.
pugetsystems hardware Recommendations for Autodesk AutoCAD. Another useful place to look at.
@@roythunderplump link please
When AMD do something there is a problem when crap Intel's who still tries to make a CPU at 4nm is not! Hahaha cry more!
hey bro, keep up the content.
i think it borders on criminal that old whats-his-face-ufd-tech-guy hasnt made a plan to get you over to the states yet. the dude's sitting on almost 1m subs and (it seems) has done nothing 😐
Yeah that’s weird for sure
@@sol-hb8zg,
yup, after tank helped whatshisface to grow his channel, he just picks up and leaves. i get it, dude had to go sort out his kid in the us and no doubt that cost a pretty penny...but it's been years now. im sure the dude's *coining* it big time with close to 1m subs. why hasnt he tried to get tank over? not that my opinion matters, but that just doesnt sit right with me. (i unsubbed from all of whatshisface's channels when it became clear that he totally abandoned tank 😠 )
@@Keizer_Soze I am subbed to him to watch the news ngl but it seems he used him and moved on. Don’t wanna pollute the comments with drama but yeah I prob should unsub lol
@@sol-hb8zg,
oh no-no, im not encouraging people to unsub, just that it doesnt gel with me. (im not of the woke variety 😉 ) yeah, i hear you on the drama thing. i just wanted to encourage tank a little. let him know that "we" (well, some of us, at least) saw what happened and what has not happened, since 👍
@@Keizer_Soze nah that’s not what I mean lol, just wanted to say that